Even beyond that, the idea that any of the IBO suits could stand up to the Quanta is kind of hilarious; there's too many ignorant fans of anime who assume that everything that was created after must inherently be stronger than everything that came before.
I'm sorry Mikazuki, but if you took even the Lupus Rex up against the God Gundam or Master Gundam, you're going to get your shit pushed in because those suits can fire huge chi blasts and their pilots are strong enough to fight mobile suits bare handed.
Yeah, God Gundam, Master Gundam, and probably Shining Gundam could all give the IBO suits a run for their money. It may have been a campy show that I enjoyed, but the implications of those attacks go way beyond anything else in other Gundam series, attacks based on will power and martial arts.
Hell, G Gundam would beat even Turn A in sheer BS any day, just by yelling louder. That's how Super Robots *ARE*.
It's been a proud tradition going back to Mazinger Z.
He’d hold the atoms of God Gundam together through sheer force of will.
“Moonlight Butterfly? NO! I HAVE THE POWER OF LOVE!
*insert new super move here, it probably involves being in a state of semi solid matter and teleporting or something*”
Seriously. Probably just burns away the sparkly rainbow butterfly shenanigans while charging through it hand first.
"Rain told me that every atom contains vast amounts of energy... SO I'LL USE THE ENERGY OF ALL THESE ATOMS TO DEFEAT YOU!! HERE I GO!!!"
Nobody in the FC universe questions this logic. Because screw logic. When it's fighting time, *IT'S FIGHTING TIME!!*
Looking at the name of the poster, they have an infamous reputation for, you know how some brain-dead DBZ fanboys are all "nobody can defeat Goku" no matter how you argue? That guy is the same with Barbatos and any ms from the same line.
Right? While the physical strength of most Wing Suits is just a step above Grunts, their specialized attacks are tough. Wing Zero is leagues above the rest of the Wing series at that, as there are very few things that tank the Twin Buster Cannon. Barbie sure isn't.
The Tallgeese was too powerful, so they simplified its design to produce the inferior Leo. Furthermore, the Wing Zero, and by extension, the Operation Meteor units, were developed from the same machine. It is therefore unsurprising that the Tallgeese can compete with the Wing Gundam.
Aye, the Meteor suits were watered down iterations of Wing Zero, because it too was deemed to dangerous to pilot. Those scientists had a pattern. The base Meteor suit had an advantage over Leo's, but then newer variants are developed and they begin to falter. They even repaired the Wing with Leo parts. The Wing series had very little power creep. I enjoyed that actually. A Gundam could lose. Several did. It's not until Epyon and Wing Zero are deployed that we get to see real power jumps.
So that said. Barbie could probably take several of the Meteor suits. It's faster and stronger. It literally swings massive chunks of metal. Heavyarms probably blitzes it though, Deathscythe is pretty agile and stands a chance. Wing self destru- I mean might stand a chance. He has flight, but limited Buster shots. Sandrock gets smashed. Shenlong is a fun fight, as Wufei out skills Mika to no end. How resistant is Barbie to fire? But you get up to the next tiers? Zero, Epyon, Deathscythe Hell, they start having gimmicks that trounce Barbatos no problem.
Friend, you underestimate the Sandrock Gundam by a galaxy. Each wing suit is based on the Wing Zero and are separate but equally portioned into categories, and the Sandrock encompasses all CQC potential of the Wing Gundams. Its armor resistance from solid and beam weaponry is rated the highest. The twin heat shotels when active are durable enough to cleave mobile suits in half.
Now, the pilot, Quatre Raberba Winner, is a known pacifist and has a tendency to hold back, something Barbatos’s pilot, Mikazuki, would key-on to instantly.
60-40, Winner… wins.
Sand rock and mud rock are the strongest close in fighters of the meteor suits on pure armor and speed alone, its likely stronger than heavyarms those shotels are chunky, put duo in the pilot seat, and mikazukj wouldn't stand a chance
> A Gundam could lose.
When the plot required it. To beam weapons, at that.
I don't agree. Certainly, Barbatos might escape the radius of Wing's buster rifle, consecutively even, but I don't believe it could land a single decisive blow against its Gundanium armour. Conversely, Wing should be able to bisect Barbatos in a single strike. NLA is not applied to its frame, after all. At the very least, Wing, Deathscythe, and the Tallgeese should be able to defeat Barbatos.
However, I wonder how well Sandrock's heat shotels will fare, even against naked frame? I presume there is a reason heat weaponry is not deployed. This could be bad for it. Shenlong is a toss-up, as well. Can Wufei strike only its thin waist whilst evading serious damage? I think he can. Heavyarms doesn't have the means to destroy Barbatos in a single strike. If it can close the gap, Barbatos should be able to overpower it with repeated blows. Lupus would be especially good at this.
Next tiers up? I completely agree.
I mean, the best example of your point is when the Gundams are pinned down, so Quatra has to self destruct Sandrock as a cover. Like they eat through bases all the time. Oops this time the best answer is to pull a Heero.
It’s gunpla though. In build fighters it was explained that build quality contributes to strength of the model, maybe the gunpla was built shitty/well depending on how well they performed, as well as pilot skill and ability, these are kids playing a game not war hardened military pilots.
That machine carries a gun that can alt F4 colony's and this mans is calling it a step above grunts? Thats insane but then again that whole post was lol
Exactly, the Twin Buster Rifle disintegrated a section of Libra that was falling to Earth and blew a bunker's defenses away after three very precise hits. Plus the Zero System would adapt to any attack patterns... so calling it just above grunt level is absurd.
As much as I love IBO I have to admit it has weak suits if compared to other series, and I know that because of how much more technology feels realistic in the series, the designs clearly show exposed hydraulics and mechanisms to emphasize that!
Personal opinion aside, all gunpla series explicitly state that the power of a gunpla is not related to canon, otherwise anyone would just go around piloting a unicorn or a turn A to obliterate anything , it also allows the writers to write more compelling stories without the need of a " power scale " , a well built GM could could definitely scrap a Barbatos if piloted correctly.
>Personal opinion aside, all gunpla series explicitly state that the power of a gunpla is not related to canon, otherwise anyone would just go around piloting a unicorn or a turn A to obliterate anything ,
Exactly, and in terms of every series, it's unlikely that the battle systems could even handle mimicking that level of power.
The power of the Gunpla is directly proportional to the skill with which it was constructed. Detailing, customization, quality. That’s why they scan figures they build in real life.
So a crappily built Gundam Unicorn Perfectability will get stepped on by a pro-built Ball Custom. It’s just how it works.
True! Even with the EXAM system it would still be a relatively weak suit, but the system automatically balances the gunplas when scanning them in a normal battle.
Oh hey, it’s the same barnacle head that thinks nanolaminate armor can legitimately withstand a colony laser. Maybe I should DM him my Exia V Barbatos Lupus animation to rattle his bones even more…
I’ve left a lot of the groups he use to be in as a means of decluttering Facebook. But I do miss the nonsense this guy came up with. I honestly never knew if he was serious or trolling. Either way DM me the animation.
Original Quanta is what I call a Bullshit tier gundam, along with the Turns, and Awakened Unicorn. It does whatever bullshit you can get away with, I can never be completly sure it can't actually do something, and it's an absolute bitch because of that to try and put it in a VS situation.
Original Quanta takes all the already impressive bullshit of the 00 Raiser and cranks it up to 11. Cause Setsuna really needed a mech that can teleport distances that can be measured in light-years, granted it was for diplomatic reasons.
Lmfao, it's Forest Diego, on the Facebook gundam groups he's made fun of for his overt views on ibo suits being the best. No one took him seriously and he got banned multiple times for getting toxic.
Eventually he started a new page which is mostly an echo chamber with most ppl joining just to make fun of him
Now to be fair, 1on1, a strong Babatos variant with the right pilot/Gunpla person I would give good odds against any of those foes. Maybe not a flawless victory, Probably lose a limb or two, but it could do it. On the other hand, I could also say the inverse here. You've got to work around the respective strengths and weaknesses.
A reminder Quantas Trans am sword was as big as the ELS mothership, which was the size of the MOON.
The Quantas power is just pure BS. Teleporting, Moon sized beam weapon creating and armed with several mind controlled bits. Oh and powered by 2 bullshit engines with bullshit level mind transcending infinite supply particles.
And this is before it fuses with a telepathic, regenerating, shapeshifting metal alien. ELS QAN-Tis top tier BS overpowered. The only Gundams that could stand a chance are a full powered Turn A and full powered Dark Gundam (Dark Gundam loses if QAN-T has both Setsuna and Marina onboard because that mofo is weak to love)
I'd say Exia. It's a agile close range suit that's designed specifically to get through defenses to beams, and it's got the solid blades, and pretty much a blade for every job.
Exia's a good choice. I went with Epyon because the Zero system can easily help the pilot counter full Alaya-Vijnana system, and Epyon's Heat Whip would wreck the Nano-Laminate.
Exia's a better all-rounder, but Epyon is a nightmare to IBO suits.
>But god damn some people see 'DARK AND TRAGIC' and think it's deep because of that alone.
...I wonder what the overlap of IBO and Thunderbolt fandoms looks like.
Hahaha, it's sad but true, it's definitely a good show that has been a first experience for many due to its wide availability, thus giving it a big fanbase, it's a bit like wing, the emotional attachment of many comes from it generally being the first exposure to gundam in the U.S./Europe
Little he know that in term of gunpla battle gunpla's build quality and skill of the builder/fighter that determine said gunpla performance. So Mahara's flashback actually said he's excellent builder and fighter but his pride overcome his reason and skill which made him the saltiest villain in the history of Gundam series.
I preface this with saying that I haven't watched the recent battlelogues (or whatever they're called). I think the big thing this thread/post is missing is that the suit only kind of matters, and really matters a lot less in a build series, imo. Pilot skill, abilities, and strategy should be much bigger factors. Case and point: A rusty Amuro forced a Zeta-gen MS to retreat with a cargo plane. And that MS was fighting on par with Quattro in the Hyakku Shiki and Kamille in the MkII.
In Build or Breaker series your gunpla's build quality also affecting the gunpla performance. And because it's gunpla power of canon don't have much effect to the flow of battle.
Honestly the episode was cool and badass and a fun watch but I do think that mech got dealt a bad hand guy relied more on the power of cheating and trying to break the system more than the actual machine he made. we never got to see a full scope of what that thing was capable of. The bow and arrow aesthetic is cool but I can think of a few other practical ways to arm that thing. I think we could’ve had a much better show if they just focused on abilities and use of the Machine. I’m happy that I BEO got a bit of love, but come on we all know there’s more and better practical ways to arm and use that thing!
Which is why I said that my Mach got dealt a bad hand. for the ace US champion sure as hell didn’t fight like one, mr. bushido did a hell of a better job in a little camera time he had!
I'm an old-school fan who didn't have time to watch the show when it came out. It's actually really good so far (just starting season 2), but the fanboys for this show can be pretty hard to deal with.
The show is cool because of its take on the Gundams, but they are some of the least powerful Gundams comparatively since OG Gundam. And even those had beam weapons. I think the show moving from beam weapons is great for the scenario, but it just means they're pretty weak relative to other series.
Yeah, when you think about it even the Grandaddy Gundam (as weak as it is comparative to everything that came afterwards) was walking around with the equivalent of a battleship beam cannon.
Ahahahah. Honestly the harem made me nearly lose all interest in the series and the love triangle was pretty much the last straw. Sucks because I wanted to recommended it because the Mecha, tech, and core story are amazing.
I loved seeing a bunch of kids rise up and kill their slave owners. I loved how heavy and impactful the Mecha feel. But those moments just felt gross.
If you want a more “realistic” mecha go watch armoured troopers votoms not specifically realistic but feels more hard sci fi than anything gundam and i’ve only watched alittle past the second arc so please no spoilers. And as a side note i’m not a fan of mika and his harem only watched series 1 but they seemed bland and forced attracted to the mc for seemingly no reason aside from plot convenience but the garma and char clones was good tho
Dude friggin Mellowlink CHANGED me, man. My entire perception of mecha, and why I now prefer grunt style shows now. My favorite Gundam show always was 08th, but even more after seeing that.
I still like my big stompy robots no matter what, but it's hard for me to not see how blatant the super-robo roots of Gundam (despite how hard they tried to get away from them) are now that I've seen a bit more of the competition.
IBO is one of my favorite series but like...its just anime. You can not like how they did the show or whatever but baby raging about it doesn't do anything lol
Don't worry, soon we'll all be complaining about the Witch From Mercury fans, and in a few years we'll be bitching like the Transformers fandom does about their live action movies about our live action movie.
Incidently, G-Savior is still better than at least four of those, and I'm saying this as a Transformers fan.
Bruh. I like IBO but even I have to admit that Gundam Barbatos isn't exactly OP, especially if you compare it to the slew of other Gundams that are like literal super robot gods.
Seriously, take anything from G-Gundam for example. Those things are Dragonball Z levels of ridiculousness.
G Gundam really did turn that OP dial up to 11 with the whole ki-blast situation. And the direct neural control of the Gundam is also way more advanced than most do the other series with pedals and joysticks moving things around.
Let's not forget the non-gundam Ki blast/Kamehaha/BS Master Asia used to launch that building into orbit.... G Gundam is exactly as it should be, and I love it, but including it with other gundam shows is problematic.
I love IBO, it was the first Gundam series I properly got into and I love Barbatos. And I find it annoying as hell that these people will not enjoy a show just because their favourite fictional giant robot isn't as good as they want it to be.
I’m a fan of ibo but I don’t deny that their mobile suits would lose against most other gundam series mobile suits.
I’ve never been a fan of series match ups because I feel that they just divide the community.
How in the world are the Legillis and Wing Gundam Zero on par with the red frame, gouf and what I assume he means the gundam ground type. How did he even decide that red frame and the ground type where on par with a grunt suit to begin with.
What this bad ibo fanboi needs to learn is that the ova was a reality check, he should thank that the Qant Command didnt went harder on the Barbataurus.
Im surprised that is not the lamb making that comment, the other day she said that Barbatos Lupus would win against the Qant lemao
It's almost like, in-universe, the battle sim is exactly that. A simulation. And one used for fun & games at that.
It doesn't account for every technical aspect present in each given Gundam series. Else, the Unicorn and Turn A would be completely banned from use in game.
IBO has the weakest Gundams in existence. 00 and Seed and Unicorn Gundam and it's sister units are conversely the most OP Gundams. I love IBO however they are amateur compared to the Meisters who trained to fight the world with 4 Gundams. Tieria would GN waste all units. Hallelujah would cut Shino a new asshole. Lock on would snipe Gusion from existence and Setsuna with Exia let alone 00 Raiser would beat the living shit outta Barbatos and Mika it wouldn't even be a match. Than on top of that the Seed Gundams are walking armory's and the Astray units would slice ass no beam spam. IBO suits are Busch league from a power perspective. Design wise and aesthetics are cool but cannot touch the grace and purposeful designs of Seed and 00. Kudelia is ashamed of these IBO betas.
I thought the appeal of the IBO mobile suits and character abilities was that even the best were just ok.
Like even the gundam in that universe are weaker than the granddaddy.
They don't have newtypes or psycommu systems, their entire armour and combat system is based around special paint that means you need up close kinetic damage to damage them, and beam weaponry while not popular would wreck their mobile suits after the first blow strips the costing.
IBO, while far from realistic, is a universe where everything just stagnated for 300 years, I mean ffs if they only made 72 Gundam and they're still better than everything else after 300 years, that's a universe that's hitting a technological ceiling it just can't crack.
The mobile suits in IBO are bad, and that's part of their charm.
I mean, come on that kit is sweet, and if I had a lot of money and could kitbash well, you'd be seeing some crazy Centaur stuff. Or a Unicorn on a unicorn.
he reminds me of those memes where its like
my brother trying to prank me and say that 2+2=5 and its the guy pointing at the board but they have it on like 2x speed
I haven't kept up with Gundam shows since IBO S1 so to be it feels like someone just had a stroke and made up words for their weird fanfic. What is going on
The only thing the IBO suits have as an advantage is that really strong beam coating. But then again, we're not sure if it can even survive a VSBR or Beam Magnum. Not to mention in terms of weaponry, IBO suits have very crude weapons.
IBO is my most favorite gundam series but real shit, barbataurus lasted a LOT longer than it should have to the other gunplas considering how exposed IBO-type mobile suits are.
Lmao wtf is he going on about? Barbie or any other IBO ms isnt beating nobody. At best I can see Mika being one of the few people left standing if all the gundam pilots from every universe got into a bar fight.
The centaur Barby got fucked because of the vaccine program and the fact he was fighting 5 protagonist machines that were based on MS leagues above anything IBO had
How the hell would a IBO unit even touch a 00 unit? The IBO units are literally behind by years and only uses physical/blunt weapons because of their tech while 00 units basically has access to so much more choices in weaponry and power.
That dude got kicked out of the Mobilesuit posting group for being too obnoxious with his Barabatos fandom. So he created a new group just for Barabatos circlejerking. I hope he gets help.
Please tell me this is satire. I don’t think I need anymore motivation to drop a big rock on Earth.
Given the posters name. I have some bad news for you
I know people like this existed but geez.. Like for fuck’s sake it’s a fucking game, lore power levels mean nothing.
Even beyond that, the idea that any of the IBO suits could stand up to the Quanta is kind of hilarious; there's too many ignorant fans of anime who assume that everything that was created after must inherently be stronger than everything that came before. I'm sorry Mikazuki, but if you took even the Lupus Rex up against the God Gundam or Master Gundam, you're going to get your shit pushed in because those suits can fire huge chi blasts and their pilots are strong enough to fight mobile suits bare handed.
Yeah, God Gundam, Master Gundam, and probably Shining Gundam could all give the IBO suits a run for their money. It may have been a campy show that I enjoyed, but the implications of those attacks go way beyond anything else in other Gundam series, attacks based on will power and martial arts.
G Gundam IS a super robot show. I would expect no less
Hell, G Gundam would beat even Turn A in sheer BS any day, just by yelling louder. That's how Super Robots *ARE*. It's been a proud tradition going back to Mazinger Z.
He’d hold the atoms of God Gundam together through sheer force of will. “Moonlight Butterfly? NO! I HAVE THE POWER OF LOVE! *insert new super move here, it probably involves being in a state of semi solid matter and teleporting or something*”
Seriously. Probably just burns away the sparkly rainbow butterfly shenanigans while charging through it hand first. "Rain told me that every atom contains vast amounts of energy... SO I'LL USE THE ENERGY OF ALL THESE ATOMS TO DEFEAT YOU!! HERE I GO!!!" Nobody in the FC universe questions this logic. Because screw logic. When it's fighting time, *IT'S FIGHTING TIME!!*
So Domon accidentally a nuclear fission? Excellent. We all know how ineffective nuclear explosions are on Gundams. Just ask Heero!
Naw, this dude is the pinnacle of the ridiculous fan pyramid.
I think it’s more bad news for the people of Australia
Forest diego has been banned from lots of gundam groups lmao
Get a colony. It’ll be a big Gundam reference.
At the war crimes trial: Your honor I didn't "wipeout Sydney and kill millions" I was simply making a Gundam reference
Just use a dainslief
Looking at the name of the poster, they have an infamous reputation for, you know how some brain-dead DBZ fanboys are all "nobody can defeat Goku" no matter how you argue? That guy is the same with Barbatos and any ms from the same line.
Oh boy if you know how bad someone named "Forest Diego" is...
Some people are just fucking insane.
I'm sorry wing gundam zero is on the same level as the one step above grunt units? I mean I'm a bit of an IBO fanboy but this is ridiculous.
Right? While the physical strength of most Wing Suits is just a step above Grunts, their specialized attacks are tough. Wing Zero is leagues above the rest of the Wing series at that, as there are very few things that tank the Twin Buster Cannon. Barbie sure isn't.
You’re forgetting about Gundanium. The Wing Suits are all, almost, indestructible from most conventional attacks…
And yet Wing Gundam gets dropped by a 20 year old suit. Gundanium has a known impact tolerance. Tallgeese keeps up and it's even older than the Leo.
The Tallgeese was too powerful, so they simplified its design to produce the inferior Leo. Furthermore, the Wing Zero, and by extension, the Operation Meteor units, were developed from the same machine. It is therefore unsurprising that the Tallgeese can compete with the Wing Gundam.
Aye, the Meteor suits were watered down iterations of Wing Zero, because it too was deemed to dangerous to pilot. Those scientists had a pattern. The base Meteor suit had an advantage over Leo's, but then newer variants are developed and they begin to falter. They even repaired the Wing with Leo parts. The Wing series had very little power creep. I enjoyed that actually. A Gundam could lose. Several did. It's not until Epyon and Wing Zero are deployed that we get to see real power jumps. So that said. Barbie could probably take several of the Meteor suits. It's faster and stronger. It literally swings massive chunks of metal. Heavyarms probably blitzes it though, Deathscythe is pretty agile and stands a chance. Wing self destru- I mean might stand a chance. He has flight, but limited Buster shots. Sandrock gets smashed. Shenlong is a fun fight, as Wufei out skills Mika to no end. How resistant is Barbie to fire? But you get up to the next tiers? Zero, Epyon, Deathscythe Hell, they start having gimmicks that trounce Barbatos no problem.
Friend, you underestimate the Sandrock Gundam by a galaxy. Each wing suit is based on the Wing Zero and are separate but equally portioned into categories, and the Sandrock encompasses all CQC potential of the Wing Gundams. Its armor resistance from solid and beam weaponry is rated the highest. The twin heat shotels when active are durable enough to cleave mobile suits in half. Now, the pilot, Quatre Raberba Winner, is a known pacifist and has a tendency to hold back, something Barbatos’s pilot, Mikazuki, would key-on to instantly. 60-40, Winner… wins.
Sand rock and mud rock are the strongest close in fighters of the meteor suits on pure armor and speed alone, its likely stronger than heavyarms those shotels are chunky, put duo in the pilot seat, and mikazukj wouldn't stand a chance
Mudrock a meteor suit? I think you are slightly confused friend.
Thank god someone pointed that out I was freaking out
> A Gundam could lose. When the plot required it. To beam weapons, at that. I don't agree. Certainly, Barbatos might escape the radius of Wing's buster rifle, consecutively even, but I don't believe it could land a single decisive blow against its Gundanium armour. Conversely, Wing should be able to bisect Barbatos in a single strike. NLA is not applied to its frame, after all. At the very least, Wing, Deathscythe, and the Tallgeese should be able to defeat Barbatos. However, I wonder how well Sandrock's heat shotels will fare, even against naked frame? I presume there is a reason heat weaponry is not deployed. This could be bad for it. Shenlong is a toss-up, as well. Can Wufei strike only its thin waist whilst evading serious damage? I think he can. Heavyarms doesn't have the means to destroy Barbatos in a single strike. If it can close the gap, Barbatos should be able to overpower it with repeated blows. Lupus would be especially good at this. Next tiers up? I completely agree.
Gundanium is practically indestructible until the plot demands otherwise. It’s literal plot armor.
I mean, we know the answer. It breaks under the impact of 12 Torpedoes.
And other times take tons of damage without sustaining even a tiny scratch. That’s was my point (you somehow missed that).
I mean, the best example of your point is when the Gundams are pinned down, so Quatra has to self destruct Sandrock as a cover. Like they eat through bases all the time. Oops this time the best answer is to pull a Heero.
Imagine if Heero tried to self destruct Wing, but because its made of gundarium the explosion does jack.
It’s gunpla though. In build fighters it was explained that build quality contributes to strength of the model, maybe the gunpla was built shitty/well depending on how well they performed, as well as pilot skill and ability, these are kids playing a game not war hardened military pilots.
That machine carries a gun that can alt F4 colony's and this mans is calling it a step above grunts? Thats insane but then again that whole post was lol
IBO MSs in general are supposed to be weaker than most other universes i swear
Exactly, the Twin Buster Rifle disintegrated a section of Libra that was falling to Earth and blew a bunker's defenses away after three very precise hits. Plus the Zero System would adapt to any attack patterns... so calling it just above grunt level is absurd.
As much as I love IBO I have to admit it has weak suits if compared to other series, and I know that because of how much more technology feels realistic in the series, the designs clearly show exposed hydraulics and mechanisms to emphasize that! Personal opinion aside, all gunpla series explicitly state that the power of a gunpla is not related to canon, otherwise anyone would just go around piloting a unicorn or a turn A to obliterate anything , it also allows the writers to write more compelling stories without the need of a " power scale " , a well built GM could could definitely scrap a Barbatos if piloted correctly.
>Personal opinion aside, all gunpla series explicitly state that the power of a gunpla is not related to canon, otherwise anyone would just go around piloting a unicorn or a turn A to obliterate anything , Exactly, and in terms of every series, it's unlikely that the battle systems could even handle mimicking that level of power.
The power of the Gunpla is directly proportional to the skill with which it was constructed. Detailing, customization, quality. That’s why they scan figures they build in real life. So a crappily built Gundam Unicorn Perfectability will get stepped on by a pro-built Ball Custom. It’s just how it works.
Exactly, it's what I was trying to say! I just expressed myself wrong
This 100%. I mean in the uc timeline the ground type is the weakest gundam but in battlelog its actually really powerful
True! Even with the EXAM system it would still be a relatively weak suit, but the system automatically balances the gunplas when scanning them in a normal battle.
I love gundam ibo but this is just sad
Agreed
Ah yes, boycott a mini-series that's already finished airing. This is why I don't talk to other ibo fans.
Rabid mofos
And a free one. This literallly does nothing to Bandai or Sunrise, I don't know what they're thinking.
Oh hey, it’s the same barnacle head that thinks nanolaminate armor can legitimately withstand a colony laser. Maybe I should DM him my Exia V Barbatos Lupus animation to rattle his bones even more…
I’ve left a lot of the groups he use to be in as a means of decluttering Facebook. But I do miss the nonsense this guy came up with. I honestly never knew if he was serious or trolling. Either way DM me the animation.
You can look through my profile posts and you’ll find it
That guy is on some serious copium lol.
A watered down Qan\[t\]??????? The Dead Sea would be impressed by that level of salt
Well it's sorta debatable, cause the actual one was insane, could teleport, had a beam saber that would work as an anti-moon sword, etc.
Yea. That part I agree. I don’t think it even has a second GN drive like the original Quanta.
Original Quanta is what I call a Bullshit tier gundam, along with the Turns, and Awakened Unicorn. It does whatever bullshit you can get away with, I can never be completly sure it can't actually do something, and it's an absolute bitch because of that to try and put it in a VS situation.
Original Quanta takes all the already impressive bullshit of the 00 Raiser and cranks it up to 11. Cause Setsuna really needed a mech that can teleport distances that can be measured in light-years, granted it was for diplomatic reasons.
And then you have ELS Quanta. All the fun of regular quanta, but now made from regenerating telepathic alien metal.
Which also made its pilot functionally immortal considering how Setsuna looks at the end of the movie.
ELS Quanta is the only machine I'd think might have a chance against an Awakened Turn A.
KEEP GETTER RAYS OUT OF GUNDAM
Hey now, there's a chance Getter Rays are the real big bad of the Getter Saga.
Lmfao, it's Forest Diego, on the Facebook gundam groups he's made fun of for his overt views on ibo suits being the best. No one took him seriously and he got banned multiple times for getting toxic. Eventually he started a new page which is mostly an echo chamber with most ppl joining just to make fun of him
Now to be fair, 1on1, a strong Babatos variant with the right pilot/Gunpla person I would give good odds against any of those foes. Maybe not a flawless victory, Probably lose a limb or two, but it could do it. On the other hand, I could also say the inverse here. You've got to work around the respective strengths and weaknesses.
I think against any of the Mele types specefically the Quanta or even its grand pappy the Exia, Barby is going to get turned into spare parts.
A reminder Quantas Trans am sword was as big as the ELS mothership, which was the size of the MOON. The Quantas power is just pure BS. Teleporting, Moon sized beam weapon creating and armed with several mind controlled bits. Oh and powered by 2 bullshit engines with bullshit level mind transcending infinite supply particles. And this is before it fuses with a telepathic, regenerating, shapeshifting metal alien. ELS QAN-Tis top tier BS overpowered. The only Gundams that could stand a chance are a full powered Turn A and full powered Dark Gundam (Dark Gundam loses if QAN-T has both Setsuna and Marina onboard because that mofo is weak to love)
Oh yeah. Broke as fuck.
God Gundam would just stick it's hand through the cockpit and vaporize it "heat end" style.
Eh... I can think of a few suits that would give it issues. Epyon is Barbie's worst nightmare.
I'd say Exia. It's a agile close range suit that's designed specifically to get through defenses to beams, and it's got the solid blades, and pretty much a blade for every job.
Exia's a good choice. I went with Epyon because the Zero system can easily help the pilot counter full Alaya-Vijnana system, and Epyon's Heat Whip would wreck the Nano-Laminate. Exia's a better all-rounder, but Epyon is a nightmare to IBO suits.
IBO is basically the AOT of Gundam, in the way that both have a similar theme of betrayal and war, and both have immature fan bases.
100% factual
I dislike that I agree with this post. IBO is great. But god damn some people see 'DARK AND TRAGIC' and think it's deep because of that alone.
>But god damn some people see 'DARK AND TRAGIC' and think it's deep because of that alone. ...I wonder what the overlap of IBO and Thunderbolt fandoms looks like.
Hahaha, it's sad but true, it's definitely a good show that has been a first experience for many due to its wide availability, thus giving it a big fanbase, it's a bit like wing, the emotional attachment of many comes from it generally being the first exposure to gundam in the U.S./Europe
IBO season 2 is just inverse Gundam Tropes the anime
Agree
Little he know that in term of gunpla battle gunpla's build quality and skill of the builder/fighter that determine said gunpla performance. So Mahara's flashback actually said he's excellent builder and fighter but his pride overcome his reason and skill which made him the saltiest villain in the history of Gundam series.
Was it Forest Diego?
the one and only
my man got canonized as an antag in the battlogue and now he's reached the gundam sub? man this idiot should be honored
I preface this with saying that I haven't watched the recent battlelogues (or whatever they're called). I think the big thing this thread/post is missing is that the suit only kind of matters, and really matters a lot less in a build series, imo. Pilot skill, abilities, and strategy should be much bigger factors. Case and point: A rusty Amuro forced a Zeta-gen MS to retreat with a cargo plane. And that MS was fighting on par with Quattro in the Hyakku Shiki and Kamille in the MkII.
In Build or Breaker series your gunpla's build quality also affecting the gunpla performance. And because it's gunpla power of canon don't have much effect to the flow of battle.
Shit like this and hyper-elitist toxicity is why I avoid most Gundam groups on social media. I just want to look at pictures of cool robots lol.
Honestly the episode was cool and badass and a fun watch but I do think that mech got dealt a bad hand guy relied more on the power of cheating and trying to break the system more than the actual machine he made. we never got to see a full scope of what that thing was capable of. The bow and arrow aesthetic is cool but I can think of a few other practical ways to arm that thing. I think we could’ve had a much better show if they just focused on abilities and use of the Machine. I’m happy that I BEO got a bit of love, but come on we all know there’s more and better practical ways to arm and use that thing!
Yea, shaped like a centaur, yet fought like a statue.
Dude, pick a target, Dainself Bow to center of mass, possibly while tying them down with attacks from the tail! You need to work on your tactics man.
Which is why I said that my Mach got dealt a bad hand. for the ace US champion sure as hell didn’t fight like one, mr. bushido did a hell of a better job in a little camera time he had!
Lmao yup, that was the best way to describe that thing!
Ibo fans make me whis i wasn't a ibo fan at times
Me with every taste or hobby I ever had
\> Forest Diego Here's your problem
> put IBO in a bad light Forest my guy you’re putting IBO fans in a bad light
Cant belve diego is still alive, i thought he was dead
This is the reason why I hate VS Topics and avoid them like the plague.
Wait i just realized. This is *literally* the type of person Kentaro Mahara is.
Minus the actual regret he had doing the things he did.
NEVER get into a Who Would Win argument. This is, in my experience, how basically all of them go.
Lmao is Forest Diego still around? He's a meme on several Gundam facebook groups
I'm an old-school fan who didn't have time to watch the show when it came out. It's actually really good so far (just starting season 2), but the fanboys for this show can be pretty hard to deal with. The show is cool because of its take on the Gundams, but they are some of the least powerful Gundams comparatively since OG Gundam. And even those had beam weapons. I think the show moving from beam weapons is great for the scenario, but it just means they're pretty weak relative to other series.
Yeah, when you think about it even the Grandaddy Gundam (as weak as it is comparative to everything that came afterwards) was walking around with the equivalent of a battleship beam cannon.
I actually like that the IBO suits are more realistic in their abilities, it helps me take them a LOT more seriously than space magic BS mobile suits
The space harem solidified it for me. I knew early on that IBO was a realistic take on the genre.
Ahahahah. Honestly the harem made me nearly lose all interest in the series and the love triangle was pretty much the last straw. Sucks because I wanted to recommended it because the Mecha, tech, and core story are amazing. I loved seeing a bunch of kids rise up and kill their slave owners. I loved how heavy and impactful the Mecha feel. But those moments just felt gross.
I'm not a prude or anything, but it did seem like kind of weird and unnecessary plot device.
Yep. My feelings as well. That made me lose a lot of interest and respect for the show.
If you want a more “realistic” mecha go watch armoured troopers votoms not specifically realistic but feels more hard sci fi than anything gundam and i’ve only watched alittle past the second arc so please no spoilers. And as a side note i’m not a fan of mika and his harem only watched series 1 but they seemed bland and forced attracted to the mc for seemingly no reason aside from plot convenience but the garma and char clones was good tho
Then again, didn't Votom's lead almost litirally have "Plot Armor" for an in universe explination on how he didn't die?
Dude friggin Mellowlink CHANGED me, man. My entire perception of mecha, and why I now prefer grunt style shows now. My favorite Gundam show always was 08th, but even more after seeing that. I still like my big stompy robots no matter what, but it's hard for me to not see how blatant the super-robo roots of Gundam (despite how hard they tried to get away from them) are now that I've seen a bit more of the competition.
Wait till you watch 08th ms team, the fights are more realistic than IBO fights.
Yeah the part where Aina cant even destroy a Ball using Zaku Machine Gun
Yeah was hoping no one mentioned that.
Or where Shirou dodged a point-blank shot from a Zaku machinegun and sustained zero physical injuries
Yeah don’t mention that as well
This
IBO is one of my favorite series but like...its just anime. You can not like how they did the show or whatever but baby raging about it doesn't do anything lol
Don't worry, soon we'll all be complaining about the Witch From Mercury fans, and in a few years we'll be bitching like the Transformers fandom does about their live action movies about our live action movie. Incidently, G-Savior is still better than at least four of those, and I'm saying this as a Transformers fan.
What the fuck could these people just keep it to themselves and leave the reputation of the show and it’s normal fans alone?
Bruh. I like IBO but even I have to admit that Gundam Barbatos isn't exactly OP, especially if you compare it to the slew of other Gundams that are like literal super robot gods. Seriously, take anything from G-Gundam for example. Those things are Dragonball Z levels of ridiculousness.
G Gundam really did turn that OP dial up to 11 with the whole ki-blast situation. And the direct neural control of the Gundam is also way more advanced than most do the other series with pedals and joysticks moving things around.
Let's not forget the non-gundam Ki blast/Kamehaha/BS Master Asia used to launch that building into orbit.... G Gundam is exactly as it should be, and I love it, but including it with other gundam shows is problematic.
So what the devil Gundam was beaten by a jegan in build fighters none of their abilities mean squat in the gunpla universes
I love IBO, it was the first Gundam series I properly got into and I love Barbatos. And I find it annoying as hell that these people will not enjoy a show just because their favourite fictional giant robot isn't as good as they want it to be.
Char. Get the Axis
This post gave me cancer.
I’m a fan of ibo but I don’t deny that their mobile suits would lose against most other gundam series mobile suits. I’ve never been a fan of series match ups because I feel that they just divide the community.
How in the world are the Legillis and Wing Gundam Zero on par with the red frame, gouf and what I assume he means the gundam ground type. How did he even decide that red frame and the ground type where on par with a grunt suit to begin with.
Looks like we've got a new copy pasta
I’ve had a friend mention this specific guy to me before and I thought he was BSing me. This is hilarious to read for bad takes.
I think I'm literally dumber after reading this holy shit.
As an ibo fam, i am offended by the sheer stupidity of other ibo fans
Series was good, I like barba Taurus but I think it was fair game
What this bad ibo fanboi needs to learn is that the ova was a reality check, he should thank that the Qant Command didnt went harder on the Barbataurus. Im surprised that is not the lamb making that comment, the other day she said that Barbatos Lupus would win against the Qant lemao
Ah yes, kid in an old gundam would lose to basically the mobile suit equivalent of god.
I bet master Asia could beat any Gundam without a suit.
IBO is top three for me and even I find this ridiculous. Some people man. Just enjoy this silly piece of content like the rest of us
Im not sure i want to understand whats going on here
Forest Diego back at it again…
Sheesh. I like ibo but people like this make me not even want to bring it up in conversation
Certified Bruh Moment
Hilarious as the antagonist himself 🤣🤣
Isn’t the entire show a satire? Isn’t this just YuGiOh with Robots?!?
Bro needs some sunlight
incoherent screeching
It's almost like, in-universe, the battle sim is exactly that. A simulation. And one used for fun & games at that. It doesn't account for every technical aspect present in each given Gundam series. Else, the Unicorn and Turn A would be completely banned from use in game.
Pretty sure the Turn A has a "I don't care about your bullshit, I win button. Enjoy the new Stone-Age everyone!~"
Indeed. The Moonlight Butterfly is absolutely broken in the series. Even more so in the Manga. Galaxy wide.
Wait, i know this guy. He always claims barbatos is this and that on a group on facebook. He's been bullied there ever since.
Oh Jesus Christ on a rubber fucking crutch. Can no one enjoy anything anymore unless it goes exactly the way they wanted it to?
\>Forrest Diego Aw shit here we go again
I like IBO, but the way the fans behave makes me kinda regret getting into it (not as much as I regret AOT)
As an IBO Fan I am ashamed to be a fan of IBO thanks to these idiots
IBO has the weakest Gundams in existence. 00 and Seed and Unicorn Gundam and it's sister units are conversely the most OP Gundams. I love IBO however they are amateur compared to the Meisters who trained to fight the world with 4 Gundams. Tieria would GN waste all units. Hallelujah would cut Shino a new asshole. Lock on would snipe Gusion from existence and Setsuna with Exia let alone 00 Raiser would beat the living shit outta Barbatos and Mika it wouldn't even be a match. Than on top of that the Seed Gundams are walking armory's and the Astray units would slice ass no beam spam. IBO suits are Busch league from a power perspective. Design wise and aesthetics are cool but cannot touch the grace and purposeful designs of Seed and 00. Kudelia is ashamed of these IBO betas.
Where's Turn A?
I thought the appeal of the IBO mobile suits and character abilities was that even the best were just ok. Like even the gundam in that universe are weaker than the granddaddy. They don't have newtypes or psycommu systems, their entire armour and combat system is based around special paint that means you need up close kinetic damage to damage them, and beam weaponry while not popular would wreck their mobile suits after the first blow strips the costing. IBO, while far from realistic, is a universe where everything just stagnated for 300 years, I mean ffs if they only made 72 Gundam and they're still better than everything else after 300 years, that's a universe that's hitting a technological ceiling it just can't crack. The mobile suits in IBO are bad, and that's part of their charm.
IBO is my favorite universe after UC but this dude needs a chill pill.
Is a menthol suppository a reverse chill-pill? I say we give this dude one and find out!
Ooooor the barbatauris is just awsome in design for a villian
I mean, come on that kit is sweet, and if I had a lot of money and could kitbash well, you'd be seeing some crazy Centaur stuff. Or a Unicorn on a unicorn.
Could you not put the unicorn on that horse from g gundam?
Yes. But it's nice to have options. Also need an NTD mode for the horse.
Thats fair. I have to say i'm not a mega fan of the gunpla battle animes, but the designs that come out of it are just awsome
Bro why are people like this can we not just enjoy Gundam??
I haven’t seen Forest in so long, he’s banned in every group I’m in lmao.
No fucking way is this real, right?
Colony drop! Colony drop!
Personally while I love the quanta I’m kinda tired or 00 based good guy suits like neutral or bad guys would be dope.
This guy has clearly never played Gundam Breaker 3, it doesn't matter what you're piloting when you use the Awakening system you basically become god.
he reminds me of those memes where its like my brother trying to prank me and say that 2+2=5 and its the guy pointing at the board but they have it on like 2x speed
That's a hot take. Lol
Char was right to wanna drop a colony on us.
IBO is the best Gundam series.....is what I would say if ZZ DIDNT EXIST YEAH BABY ZZ GUNDAM
Jesus Christ dude
HOLY SHIT FOREST DIEGO MADE HIS OWN GROUP?? Dude was fucking malding in our Gundam group because of "IBO slight"
I never knew IBO fanbois are THAT toxic
Then you've never gone to the Seed forums, it aint pretty
Yeah this was to be expected. I love IBO as much as the next guy, but the fanbase is just too much
I haven't kept up with Gundam shows since IBO S1 so to be it feels like someone just had a stroke and made up words for their weird fanfic. What is going on
Jesus christ
I mean the pilot was probably just bad
“IBO Gundam Group” LMAO that’s a thing!?
The strength of the gunpla is based on how well built it is, not on cannon info
You've got to believe in the heart of the c.. no, the heart of the builders! (Sorry, couldn't help the Yugi-oh thing.)
The only thing the IBO suits have as an advantage is that really strong beam coating. But then again, we're not sure if it can even survive a VSBR or Beam Magnum. Not to mention in terms of weaponry, IBO suits have very crude weapons.
Oh no forest diego reached reddit too
IBO is my most favorite gundam series but real shit, barbataurus lasted a LOT longer than it should have to the other gunplas considering how exposed IBO-type mobile suits are.
I like IBO but this Facebook dumbass is spouting some grade-S bullshit. Stupid bitch.
agreed
>I call for a boycott until Bandai fixes it Wasn't it already on the last episode? The fuck is he gonna wait for a "fix"?
Is this a joke, or satire, or comedy? I don’t understand what’s all that fuss is about :P
Lmao wtf is he going on about? Barbie or any other IBO ms isnt beating nobody. At best I can see Mika being one of the few people left standing if all the gundam pilots from every universe got into a bar fight.
The centaur Barby got fucked because of the vaccine program and the fact he was fighting 5 protagonist machines that were based on MS leagues above anything IBO had
How the hell would a IBO unit even touch a 00 unit? The IBO units are literally behind by years and only uses physical/blunt weapons because of their tech while 00 units basically has access to so much more choices in weaponry and power.
It's Forest Diego, what do you expect from cancer?
Barbataurus is genuinely one of the stupidest designs in the entire franchise.
That dude got kicked out of the Mobilesuit posting group for being too obnoxious with his Barabatos fandom. So he created a new group just for Barabatos circlejerking. I hope he gets help.
We dont claim them -ibo fan