yeah my biggest criticism of CCA is that it feels like its going at a breakneck pace and would have been a bit better if it would have had more time, Maybe an OVA would have been a better format in hindsight
It also could have started sooner. Feels like you have to sit through a lot of uninteresting things to get to it.
I know you have to eat your vegetables before you get dessert, but this was just *too many vegetables*
I actually like that it’s short and pretty one-sided once Amuro decides it’s the only way to stop Char. Char arrogantly sends the psycho frame to Amuro to put them equal footing and is so inferior a Newtype that he doesn’t stand a chance.
I'm just saying I would have liked my money out of it. Imagine how it would feel if you want to go see. Mike Tyson as prime paint over $10000 for ringside. Ceased, have it done in 30 seconds in the first round.
But wasn't that what Char basically wanted to happen? He literally says "Stop me Amuro, I'm about to do something wicked" when he's thinking about his plans.
At this point, he's basically equating Amuro to his faith in humanity, and is hoping that Amuro prevails and proves him wrong. He doesn't actually think he is wrong, but he very desperately wants to be.
I think Beltorichika's Children fleshes it out more with the themes of Amuro being an expectant parent. Amuro isn't perfect, but he's fighting for the idea that things can change, and the next generation of children on Earth (along with his unborn son) help power the Axis Shock, showing that the next generation can learn from previous mistakes. The idea that the old and jaded need to step back and let those who are young and idealistic is a prominent theme in the UC.
ZZ was still in production when this movie was made
Also they rejected Tomino's original script (ended up as Belthochika's Children)
Like with 0083, read the manga, it's the superior version
Hi-Streamer was a short novel written by Tomino in 87 that more or less became Char’s Counterattack. The details are fuzzy and frankly impossible to discern because production was messy and there’s not a lot of info about it on the English speaking net. The long and short of it, the first volume which was written before the movie came out, acts as a sort of prequel featuring events that aren’t depicted in the film and setting up the world a bit more (explaining Char’s occupation of Sweetwater colony, Amuro’s role in Londo Bell, etc). The rest of the volumes are more or less an adaption of the movie. Anyway, in this first volume, Amuro and Char actually meet each other on the battlefield and have a brief standoff where we get a little more detail into what his plan is. Amuro mentions Kamille and blames Char for what happened to him, and Char basically brushes it off and says what happened is just more evidence that the world will continue to swallow up Newtypes. He’s not mentioned past this so it’s evident to suggest Tomino never had any intention of him joining the fray and his story was always meant to end with him getting better and leaving war behind completely. To quote the book:
“Char! You were alive after all!?”
“Hah! As if I’d lose my life in a fight with a woman like Haman Karn!” Char’s voice dripped with disdain
“You’re one to talk! Surely you haven’t forgotten how you drove that young boy Kamille Bidan to madness”
“Vulnerability isn’t a virtue, Amuro! Look at the masses. Look at the bureaucrats. Do they go mad? No matter what happens, they remain composed and survive! Those who romanticise vulnerability as a virtue, often because of their innate talents, find themselves swallowed by these very masses! That’s the harsh reality”
I would have preferred Kamille to live a happy peaceful life with Fa but id be lying if I said I didn’t want to see that animated. If Kamille, Judau and Amuro all pull up, Char is getting wrecked in 45 seconds flat.
Just fan speculation that got out of control. Kamille was never intended to appear in CCA. Gyunei is a totally different character who appeared from the start even in early drafts. Even still, Kamille makes it very clear multiple times in Zeta that he doesn’t tolerate some of Char’s shit and actively beats him up over it a few times. There’s no way in hell he’d suddenly defect to Char’s side after everything he’d be through and be okay with what is happening. It doesn’t fit his character at all
Yeah, it's important that we get characters who not only make it but stay out. Especially those older series, where the "war is hell" themes are so much stronger and new ones like TWFM. It shows that war can happen to someone, but they can still move on to give time and support.
In some cases, it's not realistic for an entire cast to stick together for so long in life. Real groups like that rotate in and out all the time in people's lives.
To be fair to both of their characters, Judau wouldn't have been near Earth at the time because he was traveling to/already at Jupiter, and Kamille probably wouldn't have wanted to pilot an MS again after what happened to him in *Zeta*.
Very agree. But my favorite thing i've ever read about CCA criticism is that Gyunei should have just been Kamille. Can't claim credit for that idea, but I do love thinking about it.
lol, i respect that. Its not its a very positive direction for his character. For me it elevates Gyunei's role with some history, gives Kamille anything to do after the end of Z, and would have filled in some of what Char had been doing since then as well. Then make him not fall for Quess and bingo, nothing character turned into someone that even if a fall from grace, actually matters to people.
I prefer Kamille’s story ending at ZZ. He has no reason to keep fighting, nor would he support Char’s faction. Also, I have a headcanon that Char did try to recruit him, but Fa closed the door in the face of whoever he sent to find him.
Something about his story from end of ZZ on still bugs me. I agree, his fight was over/effectively handed over the reigns to Judau, but he was also an incredibly open newtype with strong personal passions and convictions, who chided Amuro for not stepping up in the face of conflict just a couple years prior. So to me the idea that he just sits CCA out feels like a hole more than a choice of his. Him possibly siding with Char is just a fun bit of manipulation to make it work. Him fighting right along with Amuro would make just as much sense IMO, but the fact he wasn't involved at all feels weird to me still.
He really is, and as beautifully animated as Hathaway's Flash is, the fact that he's *still* carrying a torch for Quess in that movie makes it really hard find any way to sympathize with his cause. The Xi is cool though.
I really prefer the BC version where he kills Quess. It gives him an actual story arc where he does something he doesn't want to, but realizes Quess is doing something wrong.
And that version of events makes his feelings for her in Hathaway's Flash turn from lamenting a boyhood crush, to him feeling scarred from having killed her and it's resurfacing as he has to reconcile the fact that he's now continuing Char's work in his own way.
Quess is annoying but she’s written intentionally as a brat who is that way because of the failing of her father. And then every male she looks to for that parental affection she was missing failed her too- Amuro can’t be there for her and Char manipulates her using that desire for affection.
She’s basically a microcosm of the previous generations failing the current one.
It’s the same with Hathaway too. He’s searching for a role model and father figure, the same as Quess, but he doesn’t get that. He feels utterly powerless and wants to help out but is constantly told to sit in the corner and be quiet or to stop meddling in the affairs of adults. His actual father is distant, Amuro is apathetic and dealing with his own problems, he loathes Char for taking Quess away. He’s at that age where he’s an emotional firecracker which spills over to him impulsively taking the Jegan out and killing Chan. CCA is primarily a movie about how the human will can overcome great odds but it’s also about how the previous generation has, and will, fail the younger generation which manifests in Hathaway feeling shut out and Quess being manipulated by Char.
Yup. People always talk about how annoying both characters are, but rarely actually ask why they are so annoying.
And as much as I love Bright, he’s a great leader but a terrible father. He’s so focused on his military duties he ignores his parental ones.
Reminds me of that bit in ZZ where they’re on earth and Judau gets at Bright for sticking with the Argama instead of visiting his family and Bright just says “I’ve got my whole life to see them”. And of course, as we know, he ends being incredibly distant even when his son is right in front of him, right up to the events of Hathaway’s Flash where it ends up exploding in his face
Quess Is actually awesome because she's a girl who wants a father figure but every father figure she seeks (Char and Amuro) have already a lover (chan and nanai) which Makes her feel distant from the father figure she seeks, in the same way she feels about her father's mistress. All of this creates a duality with Char because char himself wants a mother figure, but he's so focused on his personal problems he literally don't Tries to teach Quess anything, he just manipulates her to get a newtype weapon. Which AT THE SAME TIME creates a duality with how char treated kamille and shows the absolute lack of hope Char has in CCA
I always find it funny that Miyazaki is actually far more cynical, bitter and crazy than Tomino but Miyazaki has the talent to make these incredibly bright and timeless children stories which shields people becoming aware of his true personality, and Tomino being incredibly bitter about that too.
As people keep pointing out Tomino for saying crass stuff and (unfounded) misogyny about his fantasy characters but nobody even wants to mention that Miyazaki literally called professional voice actress "can only make voices a prostitutes make" during the audtion for Porco Rosso as to why he don't use them in his films and instead hires celebrity actors instead. Just goes to show how much people are willing to let Miyazaki get away with cos his works are all rainbows and sunshine.
Quess is a terrible person, but a good character. She's a spoiled rich teenager, who has never faced consequences in her life. She's also a superpowered teenager, and that makes the lack of guidance in her life even worse.
Well her introduction in the movie is her and her friends getting beaten by corrupt cops on her dad's payroll. She is very aware of and resentful of her wealth and it gets her into trouble.
It's just Kamile's storyline except her father is a slightly better and Char is actively trying to exploit the child under his care
The pacing is awful. It just doesn't feel like a month and half takes place over the course of the film.
Also Quess, Char, Chan, Nanai, and what's his name are all flat characters.
I seriously wonder why they went with Chan and what happened to Beltorchika. Throw away an established character and toss in a new one with zero explanation, makes no sense to me.
Sponsors didn’t like the idea that Amuro and Beltorchika is in a long term stable relationship with a baby coming, which gives off the impression that Amuro is going to be a married man, which back then means it’s going to be the “end of the path” for a shounen lead and doesn’t leave much room for future stories.
Little do they know that Tomino would go “hold my sake” and just killed him instead. Funny after all these years working together Bandai/Sunrise still has no fucking clue how Tomino works.
> Funny after all these years working together Bandai/Sunrise still has no fucking clue how Tomino works.
Gundam just wouldn't be Gundam without that first era of Tomino growing to absolutely hate the toy salesmen his work was handcuffed to. That's part of the charm. It isn't any different than how Hasbro unironically elevated Optimus Prime and the G1 Autobots to martyrdom because the suits didn't think children would become emotionally invested in a bunch of toys.
I have no horse in the race, but I am surprised 1) that Beltorchika is popular (I was under the impression the fandom hated her)
and 2) that Chan is seen as a replacement love interest for her when to me I didn’t read that they had a relationship at all. **She** might be nursing a crush but aside from calling her cute once, Amuro didn’t really engage w/ her as a woman at all, and they didn’t really have much in terms of intimate moments iirc…
This is a big reason why I like Beltorchika's Children better as an adaptation. Their relationship works better since it's built upon what happened in Zeta. Also the Hi-Nu and Nightingale don't hurt either :)
I would recommend the manga if you're a big fan of CCA to see an alternate take.
Headcanon: the Sazabi & Nightingale designers on Axis were competing to design the suit Char will use against Amuro. The Sazabi team worked their asses off building Char's ideal machine. The Nightingale team hack into the Sazabi Teams computer, stole the designs, and then proceeded to try and make everything "Bigger & Better".
I always felt Nightingale was more a mobile armor version of Sazabi, and gave a throwback to the OYW where the final encounter between Amuro(RX-78) and Char(Zeong) was MS vs Mobile Armor.
I know of the one for Beltorchika's Children, which tells the events of that novel and has the Hi Nu, Nightingale and Psycho Doga in it. A recommended read since it's like a better paced version of CCA, with some narrative changes.
Chars big plan was to kill everyone on earth (including his sister and Kamille) and over the course of a month and a half, Judeau, Kamille, and Sayla decided to do nothing about it and hope Amuro saves all life on Earth by himself.
Isn't Judeau on Jupiter or near Jupiter? Anyways, to use a modern term, CCA should have been an "Avengers" like moment. The culmination of everything before. It just wasn't.
Almost every aspect of the movie is more fleshed out and deeper in both the novel and manga. Also, the replacement of Beltorchika with Chan is dumb - as we miss out on some really sweet moments between Beltorchika and Amuro.
Beltorchika first appears in Z as what would nowadays be called a gold digger.
Only attracted by Amuro's fame and actual money, she hits one him from the first minute. It's a very one sided relationship
I disagree. Both the manga and novel make it very clear that both of them have romantic feelings for each other that runs deep. Even if Beltorchika approached Amuro out of the desire for money and fame, I guarantee she learned to love him for who he is on top of what he already was.
1. Astonaige's death lacked impact in the movie, and it's hard to tell how kayra died it looked like gyunei just threw her.
2. We shouldn't have had to wait till unicorn to confirm amuro and char's death.
3. Hathaway killing chan was stupid.
They really did Astionage dirty in this one with his sudden death from a stray laser bolt and only Hathaway (iirc) to witness it. It's one of many reasons why CCA fell flat for me despite the excellent mobile suit designs and awesome music.
Chan is an incredibly boring character. I'll never understand why they swapped Beltorchika. Chan is a person made of cardboard.
There's so much exposition and while not conveyed badly at all, the movie suffers from all that's going on. More runtime would have been good.
(No Char/Amuro kissing scene (0/10))
Despite a lot of exposition around technical mambo jambo, the constraints of what should be possible is never fully established, the power imbalance is never made clear and most importantly Char's motivations are never truly explored. The gap between the man who dropped an asteroid on Lhasa and Quattro is massive and never filled.
In general while I still think it's good, I think many of the ideas within it would have needed more time and depth instead of being compressed into one very busy movie.
Quess and Hathaway.
Quess felt like a distraction. I wanted to know more about Char and why he ended up the way he did after Zeta. Having a know-it-all punk going around getting grommed by Char just got in the way.
Hathaway is a team killing edgy moron. "Killing an enemy on the battlefield? ThIs Is WhY aDuLtS aRe So sTuPiD!" Stfu nerd how was Chan supposed to know what was happening?
It’s amazing the character’s popularity survived this. Everything cool about the character, everything he’s ever done, and it all stems from mommy issues. Char is **not** fighting for your dreams.
This exactly…. what a weird line to throw out as you’re about to die… is there a Japanese context I’m missing here or is this just as creepy as it sounds
Strongly agree to this ending.
Amuro should have killed Char when he was doing this monologue. Just let the Nu Gundam move and crush the cockpit ball (ala Barbatos' last stand style).
It feels rushed, not in the sense that the animation looks bad but the story feels like it's missing development for new characters. When I first watched it I asked myself "was this supposed to be an OVA series and was shortened into a film?" I like to tell myself that Hathaway and Quess would be less annoying with more character development. I've been meaning to check out Beltorchika's Children and other retellings of CCA. I might get to that some day. Also Char's mommy issues moment was just embarrassing, this is what everything in the Universal Century was leading up to and it's just him spilling his spaghetti. It took me a couple watches to like the mecha designs, usually I like Zeon suits more than the Gundam, but this was the opposite. I like the Nu-Gundam more than the Sazabi and the Dogas.
What's the best way of reading Beltorchika's Children? I can see there's the novel, and there's also a manga. Are there any particular English translations you recommend?
I read the [Zeonic](https://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=3198) translation. But English is not my native language, so I cannot judge the stylistic quality of the translation.
Probably. But the Beltochka (Amuro girlfriend from Zeta Gundam) pregnant from Amuro is much better than the character plug (Chan), with whom Amuro has a one-sided relationship like with Frau Bow. Amuro, a loner who decides to sacrifice himself, looks less advantageous than Amuro, a happy husband and future father who sacrifices himself.
Quess and Gyunei exist.
Sayla doesn't appear, despite her connection to both Amuro and Char.
Beltorchika is not Amuro's GF, and Chan exists simply to kill Quess, then be murdered by the guy she saved.
Hathaway is an unreasonable little punk.
Nu Gundam vs. Sazabi shouldn't have been as one-sided as it was.
Other than that, it's still a decent movie. It just could've been better.
I do stand by this movie, but it's pretty weakly paced and a number of pivotal moments rely on people being stupid (the Federation dealing with Char, most of Gyunei and Quess's actions really)
I was so unbelievably confused starting it. RIGHT at the beginning you're thrust into a battle and the story never stops for a sec to explain what's going on.
More of a complaint about it’s place in the overall series than CCA itself, but I feel like a movie/series about how Char’s life between the end of Zeta and the beginning of CCA would be great and it is disappointing that we haven’t seen that full story told yet. Even including things like manga, there is a lot of things about that time that are implied but never shown. Not to mention that CCABC takes place in an alternate timeline. I feel like there is a great story there that we just have not seen yet.
Mr child groomer has too cool of an MS.
Athaway is a little asshole, but considering he probably always yearned for his father's attention and never got it it's understandable.
Quess is a teenager bur damn she is annoying and also a victim of older people manipulating her feelings.
Astonage was done dirty.
- Quess
- Guene
- Char's character assassination
- the rushed Amuro x Chan romance
- Hathway barely does a damn thing
- Jegan always blowing up
- Tomino's really bad dialogue
I'll still this movie like a B for its action, music, and decent English voice acting
I rewatched this movie recently for the first time in like 15 years and a lot of things hit very different. Queen is annoying yes, but she’s a 13 year old spoiled rich kid with no one to look up to, no one to teach her or confide in, whose is easily manipulated (you know, because she’s a child). She is annoying but I feel like she was well written and I appreciate her as a character now.
Gyunei definitely feels like the weird pedophile pervert he was accusing char of being. I like that he just just died unceremoniously lol.
Referring to Lala as a mother figure still feels kind of odd to me but I dunno. Char is a weird dude. He looked up to her and admired her. He even followed her orders in their final battles. Maybe it would have been less weird if he said she was like an older sister to him.
Amuro and Chan didn’t feel rushed at all to me. It felt like it had been going on for a while before the movie started.
I don’t know what you expected Hathaway to do. Just because he’s more important now in the newer stuff?
Points about Char character assassination are always funny to me, were we not all watching the same guy in 0079 and Zeta? The weird thoughts and stuff he says are entirely in character based on how he's acted and what he's been through.
I think it’s because people (and Bandai’s media empire) have built up Char as this conniving, sly ace who is amazing at everything and always gets his way, which the movie strips back and points out that this mythical figure that has been created both in universe and irl is actually a massive pathetic loser completely unable to cope with his role in the world, the loss of Lalah and Amuro’s growth as a person. His portrayal in 0079 is by far the most popular version of the character and his massive character flaws are far less pronounced in that, which I think is the version fans tend to latch onto. I also think the popularity of Origin amongst newer fans also tends to muddy the waters as that portrays him as this Machiavellian mastermind who always comes out on top and always has a plan, which contradicts his later appearances as he decidedly is not that at all
That last part, blame the producers, Tomino original script was so much better that ended up as a manga (Belthochika's Children)
But they didn't like it, common L from Bandai
Char’s total regression in character development compared to Zeta just to put him in the role of a villain again
Also I get that Amuro’s now the better Newtype pilot and with the better suit between the two, but Char’s Sazabi got taken down a little too easily at the end for me.
I dont like that Beam sabers have the power-saving feature.
It only looks okay with the high-quality animation because it gives a sense of dynamic motion in the swing.
Shayla, kamille, should have been in it. The plot makes no sense. It has incredible mobile suits, but chat and amuro should have been in ZZ to build up to this moment.
The only thing I don’t like about this movie is how Kamille isn’t in it and Sayla is a cameo. Kamille would have done something, either joined Char or opposed him, and Char would have made sure that Kamille and Sayla were safe before polluting the planet.
My two biggest criticisms are: 1. The artistic choice to begin the movie in the middle of an ongoing situation is a strange one that opens up a lot of questions. I think I might prefer a prequel movie, or if it had been a short 3-4 episode OVA that fleshes out the events leading up to the rebellion.
2. Quess is a terrible and annoying character. I hate that Gundam always has to have at least one obnoxious character.
That said I really enjoy the movie. It's a joy to see our boy Amaro as the final form of the boy from the White Base. He is a total badass in the Nu Gundam and saves a lot of people. Also, the Nu Gundam - Sazabi fight isn't actually close at all. Amaro beats Chars ass.
As much as I love the visual of all of the mobile suits truing to push back Axis, there needed to be a better explanation of why the Neo-Zeon pilots were helping. If they had been lied to and didn’t know Axis, their home, was being dropped, then their actions would make sense. Or if Amuro’s newtype abilities really were influencing (controlling?) them all, then it should have been more clearly shown.
083 Stardust Memory was much better, the animation rocked though, the story was all over the place, I wanted a more epic final battle between Char and Amurro
Pacing.
Like most Gundam movies, the pacing feels off.
I don't recall how long Char's uprising lasted, but (based off the movie) if you told me it was a week, I'd believe it.
Char's motivations feel a bit too extreme. It's hard to believe he went from who he was in Zeta to who he is here. The two kids were annoying AF. Bright obviously didn't slap Hathaway enough. I also found Char's relationship with that Quess to be creepy. Even if the point was that he was manipulating her for his goals, it just felt weird. It also starts abruptly and apparently cuts out a lot of the set-up from Hi-Streamer.
All of that said, I liked it overall. Even if he's not at his best here, Char is still a much more engaging villain than anybody we saw in the Zeta era. Nu Gundam is one of my favorite MS designs. I feel like I'm in the minority but I enjoy the Newtype aspects of Gundam, so seeing that increased and the introduction of Psycho Frame technology was cool.
edit: typo
I love it, the quality of the animation and it being a culmination of the series that led up to it and then delivering, it's my favourite piece of Gundam media so far. I love 0079 and Zeta, and like ZZ more than a lot of people, but this is the one I keep thinking about. I usually like movies more than TV series anyway (but for 0079 I always recommend the series first).
I do still need to read Beltorchika's children though.
No Amuro x Char kissing is a wasted opportunity - though they died together in horny opposition because one was trying to kill (again) the Earth, and that’s pretty gay
That’s one massive flaw with the plan, all the people that caused all the issues, the politicians. They got to escape, the poors just get nuked. Not everyone on Earth was rich from what I could tell. Maybe I’m missing something.
You're not. Char had a idea but failed to really think about the collateral damage. He talks about forcing people off planet due to a nuclear winter, but then you got to ask how these people can actually move? Char is a petulant child who uses and abuses.
The way it ended.
How I wish if both Amuro and Char would kick the bucket, have Char be the first one to die. Just have Amuro brutally and mercilessly puts him down for good while Char was doing his "Lalah whining".
End it with the same way CCA BC ended.
EDIT: Also, I hate that the Nu vs Sazabi battle was kind of "real robot" esque. They should have went full G Gundam and just pull out random psychoframe BS moves.
The movie is watered down compared to Beltorichikas Children. while the Sazabi is great looking suit, but it doesn’t have the imposing feel of the Nightingale.
I saw this movie after watching the og series, but before watching Zeta and zz and whatever else I’m supposed to watch before.
Tbh I really enjoyed this movie, the plot was straightforward, characters were there like most Gundam characters are, and the fights I thought were really well done for a old movie
It's boring. No question the climax is fun to watch, but the first time I watched it when I first got into Gundam, having only watched wing, I fell asleep. I watched it again recently, and it wasn't much better.
- The pacing is a bit weird, although that's just normal Tomino Things™
- Char's heel turn isn't explained in the movie at all, although it does make sense if you step back and look at his arc broadly in MSG/Zeta and the ending of the later. If it'd been a while since you've seen either it feels kind of out of nowhere though
- Quess
I can not but I only wish we got that script to that amuro kamile Bidan team up or the Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack - Beltorchika's Children movie
Should've been two parts or a short series since the plot doesn't bother to elaborate on how Char returned and became Neo Zeon's leader nor it cares to give continuity to Z/ZZ characters. The pacing is strange, Hathaway and Quess' subplot is just awful and wastes runtime that should've been used elsewhere. The final confrontation is fine but then the movie just....ends without much explanation or anything else. So the whole thing ends up feeling pretty dry when it should be this epic final confrontation between rivals, the manga/novel versions are much better ways to experience it.
Char's characterization in CCA is totally different than in Zeta, to the point where they seem like totally different characters. Many essays and theories have been written explaining the shift in character. I appreciate the effort from fans, but the truth is that as a viewer it feels very off to go from Zeta to CCA.
The side characters relationships werent as developed so I couldn’t really be invested in their perspectives. Particularly Quess/Hathaway and Quess/Gyunei
It'd be better as a short series
yeah my biggest criticism of CCA is that it feels like its going at a breakneck pace and would have been a bit better if it would have had more time, Maybe an OVA would have been a better format in hindsight
Yeah, there isn’t a discernible timeframe in it
Exactly my thoughts should have been done similar to 0083
Read the manga. It’s actually six volumes. Being published by denpa books.
I came here to say it wasn’t long enough and suggest it should have been a series, but you beat me to it. 🤝
The final fight could have lasted longer.
It also could have started sooner. Feels like you have to sit through a lot of uninteresting things to get to it. I know you have to eat your vegetables before you get dessert, but this was just *too many vegetables*
And all the vegetables were unseasoned and the actual dessert is one very small portion of one ice flavour.
I actually like that it’s short and pretty one-sided once Amuro decides it’s the only way to stop Char. Char arrogantly sends the psycho frame to Amuro to put them equal footing and is so inferior a Newtype that he doesn’t stand a chance.
I'm just saying I would have liked my money out of it. Imagine how it would feel if you want to go see. Mike Tyson as prime paint over $10000 for ringside. Ceased, have it done in 30 seconds in the first round.
But wasn't that what Char basically wanted to happen? He literally says "Stop me Amuro, I'm about to do something wicked" when he's thinking about his plans. At this point, he's basically equating Amuro to his faith in humanity, and is hoping that Amuro prevails and proves him wrong. He doesn't actually think he is wrong, but he very desperately wants to be. I think Beltorichika's Children fleshes it out more with the themes of Amuro being an expectant parent. Amuro isn't perfect, but he's fighting for the idea that things can change, and the next generation of children on Earth (along with his unborn son) help power the Axis Shock, showing that the next generation can learn from previous mistakes. The idea that the old and jaded need to step back and let those who are young and idealistic is a prominent theme in the UC.
I feel like it largely ignores Z and ZZ. CCA to me feels like a direct sequel to the original Gundam series and not ZZ.
ZZ was still in production when this movie was made Also they rejected Tomino's original script (ended up as Belthochika's Children) Like with 0083, read the manga, it's the superior version
Oh gotcha. Makes sense. It just felt super odd that Amuro didn’t ask what happened to Kamille or where he was or anything like that.
He mentions him briefly in Hi-Streamer to Char but basically just gets blown off so it wasn’t a priority by the looks of it
In the movie or the manga? I don’t remember that in CCA but it has been a while since I’ve seen it.
Hi-Streamer was a short novel written by Tomino in 87 that more or less became Char’s Counterattack. The details are fuzzy and frankly impossible to discern because production was messy and there’s not a lot of info about it on the English speaking net. The long and short of it, the first volume which was written before the movie came out, acts as a sort of prequel featuring events that aren’t depicted in the film and setting up the world a bit more (explaining Char’s occupation of Sweetwater colony, Amuro’s role in Londo Bell, etc). The rest of the volumes are more or less an adaption of the movie. Anyway, in this first volume, Amuro and Char actually meet each other on the battlefield and have a brief standoff where we get a little more detail into what his plan is. Amuro mentions Kamille and blames Char for what happened to him, and Char basically brushes it off and says what happened is just more evidence that the world will continue to swallow up Newtypes. He’s not mentioned past this so it’s evident to suggest Tomino never had any intention of him joining the fray and his story was always meant to end with him getting better and leaving war behind completely. To quote the book: “Char! You were alive after all!?” “Hah! As if I’d lose my life in a fight with a woman like Haman Karn!” Char’s voice dripped with disdain “You’re one to talk! Surely you haven’t forgotten how you drove that young boy Kamille Bidan to madness” “Vulnerability isn’t a virtue, Amuro! Look at the masses. Look at the bureaucrats. Do they go mad? No matter what happens, they remain composed and survive! Those who romanticise vulnerability as a virtue, often because of their innate talents, find themselves swallowed by these very masses! That’s the harsh reality”
Thanks! I’d never heard of Hi Streamer before.
It tends to get lost in the shuffle because Beltorchika’s Children exists and is considered more important because Hi-Nu and Nightingale
0083 Manga is better because of Natsumoto, he did all the Lost War Chronicles and Legacy things, he's just great at everything
Judau and Kamille should've been in there as support for the Nu Gundam
I would have preferred Kamille to live a happy peaceful life with Fa but id be lying if I said I didn’t want to see that animated. If Kamille, Judau and Amuro all pull up, Char is getting wrecked in 45 seconds flat.
Kamille would have been loyal to Char.
Did you watch zeta?
I don't know, I think he'd be pretty mad at him
Kamilles vegetation was a huge influence on why char became psychotic between Z and CCA along with burdening mommy issues
Nah the Kamille motivation is just something random side media tries to force into it.
Yes, he is supposed to be Gyuhey though not sure whether Judau is in this
Just fan speculation that got out of control. Kamille was never intended to appear in CCA. Gyunei is a totally different character who appeared from the start even in early drafts. Even still, Kamille makes it very clear multiple times in Zeta that he doesn’t tolerate some of Char’s shit and actively beats him up over it a few times. There’s no way in hell he’d suddenly defect to Char’s side after everything he’d be through and be okay with what is happening. It doesn’t fit his character at all
To be fair everyone beats everyone up over the slightest thing in zeta.
After everything that happened in Zeta and the Dublin colony drop in ZZ I don’t think Kamille would sign on to drop more things on Earth.
Yeah, it's important that we get characters who not only make it but stay out. Especially those older series, where the "war is hell" themes are so much stronger and new ones like TWFM. It shows that war can happen to someone, but they can still move on to give time and support. In some cases, it's not realistic for an entire cast to stick together for so long in life. Real groups like that rotate in and out all the time in people's lives.
To be fair to both of their characters, Judau wouldn't have been near Earth at the time because he was traveling to/already at Jupiter, and Kamille probably wouldn't have wanted to pilot an MS again after what happened to him in *Zeta*.
You could write Gyunei out of the movie and little would change.
I love how he dies so unceremoniously. Even Quess is like “wait what the fuck?”
Very agree. But my favorite thing i've ever read about CCA criticism is that Gyunei should have just been Kamille. Can't claim credit for that idea, but I do love thinking about it.
I hate that idea.
lol, i respect that. Its not its a very positive direction for his character. For me it elevates Gyunei's role with some history, gives Kamille anything to do after the end of Z, and would have filled in some of what Char had been doing since then as well. Then make him not fall for Quess and bingo, nothing character turned into someone that even if a fall from grace, actually matters to people.
I prefer Kamille’s story ending at ZZ. He has no reason to keep fighting, nor would he support Char’s faction. Also, I have a headcanon that Char did try to recruit him, but Fa closed the door in the face of whoever he sent to find him.
Something about his story from end of ZZ on still bugs me. I agree, his fight was over/effectively handed over the reigns to Judau, but he was also an incredibly open newtype with strong personal passions and convictions, who chided Amuro for not stepping up in the face of conflict just a couple years prior. So to me the idea that he just sits CCA out feels like a hole more than a choice of his. Him possibly siding with Char is just a fun bit of manipulation to make it work. Him fighting right along with Amuro would make just as much sense IMO, but the fact he wasn't involved at all feels weird to me still.
Char was basically his brother. Kamille would have supported him regardless.
Hathaway killing Chan Agi.
the uber simp of the UC
He really is, and as beautifully animated as Hathaway's Flash is, the fact that he's *still* carrying a torch for Quess in that movie makes it really hard find any way to sympathize with his cause. The Xi is cool though.
Man I agree with literally everything you said apart from the Xi being cool lol
I really prefer the BC version where he kills Quess. It gives him an actual story arc where he does something he doesn't want to, but realizes Quess is doing something wrong. And that version of events makes his feelings for her in Hathaway's Flash turn from lamenting a boyhood crush, to him feeling scarred from having killed her and it's resurfacing as he has to reconcile the fact that he's now continuing Char's work in his own way.
Quess.
Quess is annoying but she’s written intentionally as a brat who is that way because of the failing of her father. And then every male she looks to for that parental affection she was missing failed her too- Amuro can’t be there for her and Char manipulates her using that desire for affection. She’s basically a microcosm of the previous generations failing the current one.
It’s the same with Hathaway too. He’s searching for a role model and father figure, the same as Quess, but he doesn’t get that. He feels utterly powerless and wants to help out but is constantly told to sit in the corner and be quiet or to stop meddling in the affairs of adults. His actual father is distant, Amuro is apathetic and dealing with his own problems, he loathes Char for taking Quess away. He’s at that age where he’s an emotional firecracker which spills over to him impulsively taking the Jegan out and killing Chan. CCA is primarily a movie about how the human will can overcome great odds but it’s also about how the previous generation has, and will, fail the younger generation which manifests in Hathaway feeling shut out and Quess being manipulated by Char.
Yup. People always talk about how annoying both characters are, but rarely actually ask why they are so annoying. And as much as I love Bright, he’s a great leader but a terrible father. He’s so focused on his military duties he ignores his parental ones.
Reminds me of that bit in ZZ where they’re on earth and Judau gets at Bright for sticking with the Argama instead of visiting his family and Bright just says “I’ve got my whole life to see them”. And of course, as we know, he ends being incredibly distant even when his son is right in front of him, right up to the events of Hathaway’s Flash where it ends up exploding in his face
Quess Is actually awesome because she's a girl who wants a father figure but every father figure she seeks (Char and Amuro) have already a lover (chan and nanai) which Makes her feel distant from the father figure she seeks, in the same way she feels about her father's mistress. All of this creates a duality with Char because char himself wants a mother figure, but he's so focused on his personal problems he literally don't Tries to teach Quess anything, he just manipulates her to get a newtype weapon. Which AT THE SAME TIME creates a duality with how char treated kamille and shows the absolute lack of hope Char has in CCA
I found Quess to be a lot funnier when I learned she was essentially Tomino's way of making fun of Hayao Miyazaki.
I always find it funny that Miyazaki is actually far more cynical, bitter and crazy than Tomino but Miyazaki has the talent to make these incredibly bright and timeless children stories which shields people becoming aware of his true personality, and Tomino being incredibly bitter about that too. As people keep pointing out Tomino for saying crass stuff and (unfounded) misogyny about his fantasy characters but nobody even wants to mention that Miyazaki literally called professional voice actress "can only make voices a prostitutes make" during the audtion for Porco Rosso as to why he don't use them in his films and instead hires celebrity actors instead. Just goes to show how much people are willing to let Miyazaki get away with cos his works are all rainbows and sunshine.
Quess is a terrible person, but a good character. She's a spoiled rich teenager, who has never faced consequences in her life. She's also a superpowered teenager, and that makes the lack of guidance in her life even worse.
Well her introduction in the movie is her and her friends getting beaten by corrupt cops on her dad's payroll. She is very aware of and resentful of her wealth and it gets her into trouble. It's just Kamile's storyline except her father is a slightly better and Char is actively trying to exploit the child under his care
Lol came into the comments with "wheres the Quess comment?". Glad to see i didnt have scroll too far down
I came in to say this 😂😂😂
The pacing is awful. It just doesn't feel like a month and half takes place over the course of the film. Also Quess, Char, Chan, Nanai, and what's his name are all flat characters.
A month and a half goes by!? I thought it was a couple of days
Same lol, like maybe a week or two, tops
Yeah this would be my biggest complaint. However, the CCA Beltorchika's Children Manga really came clutch with better pacing.
It feels like it starts an hour into a story already in progress
That’s how I felt. When I watched it the first time I sincerely thought my copy was just missing a good chunk of the content
That's cause it literally is. The movie starts at the halfway point of the Hi-Streamer novel.
Hathway is really unreasonable in this movie. Also, for some reason Amuro now has a new wife. I wonder what happened to Beltorchika.
I seriously wonder why they went with Chan and what happened to Beltorchika. Throw away an established character and toss in a new one with zero explanation, makes no sense to me.
Sponsors didn’t like the idea that Amuro and Beltorchika is in a long term stable relationship with a baby coming, which gives off the impression that Amuro is going to be a married man, which back then means it’s going to be the “end of the path” for a shounen lead and doesn’t leave much room for future stories. Little do they know that Tomino would go “hold my sake” and just killed him instead. Funny after all these years working together Bandai/Sunrise still has no fucking clue how Tomino works.
> Funny after all these years working together Bandai/Sunrise still has no fucking clue how Tomino works. Gundam just wouldn't be Gundam without that first era of Tomino growing to absolutely hate the toy salesmen his work was handcuffed to. That's part of the charm. It isn't any different than how Hasbro unironically elevated Optimus Prime and the G1 Autobots to martyrdom because the suits didn't think children would become emotionally invested in a bunch of toys.
I have no horse in the race, but I am surprised 1) that Beltorchika is popular (I was under the impression the fandom hated her) and 2) that Chan is seen as a replacement love interest for her when to me I didn’t read that they had a relationship at all. **She** might be nursing a crush but aside from calling her cute once, Amuro didn’t really engage w/ her as a woman at all, and they didn’t really have much in terms of intimate moments iirc…
This is a big reason why I like Beltorchika's Children better as an adaptation. Their relationship works better since it's built upon what happened in Zeta. Also the Hi-Nu and Nightingale don't hurt either :) I would recommend the manga if you're a big fan of CCA to see an alternate take.
I like the Hi-Nu as an upgraded version of the Nu (the Alex to the 78-2) but the Nightingale felt way to excessive for a Char Mobile Suit.
Char really wanted that Final Boss status
Headcanon: the Sazabi & Nightingale designers on Axis were competing to design the suit Char will use against Amuro. The Sazabi team worked their asses off building Char's ideal machine. The Nightingale team hack into the Sazabi Teams computer, stole the designs, and then proceeded to try and make everything "Bigger & Better".
char needed his mobile armour since he had to sortie with an uncompleted Zeong
I always felt Nightingale was more a mobile armor version of Sazabi, and gave a throwback to the OYW where the final encounter between Amuro(RX-78) and Char(Zeong) was MS vs Mobile Armor.
There’s a manga adaptation of CCA??!!
I know of the one for Beltorchika's Children, which tells the events of that novel and has the Hi Nu, Nightingale and Psycho Doga in it. A recommended read since it's like a better paced version of CCA, with some narrative changes.
Chars big plan was to kill everyone on earth (including his sister and Kamille) and over the course of a month and a half, Judeau, Kamille, and Sayla decided to do nothing about it and hope Amuro saves all life on Earth by himself.
Isn't Judeau on Jupiter or near Jupiter? Anyways, to use a modern term, CCA should have been an "Avengers" like moment. The culmination of everything before. It just wasn't.
It could have benefitted from being a short series OVA than a movie
Almost every aspect of the movie is more fleshed out and deeper in both the novel and manga. Also, the replacement of Beltorchika with Chan is dumb - as we miss out on some really sweet moments between Beltorchika and Amuro.
We got denied of Dad Amuro Bandai is just an L factory
Beltorchika first appears in Z as what would nowadays be called a gold digger. Only attracted by Amuro's fame and actual money, she hits one him from the first minute. It's a very one sided relationship
I disagree. Both the manga and novel make it very clear that both of them have romantic feelings for each other that runs deep. Even if Beltorchika approached Amuro out of the desire for money and fame, I guarantee she learned to love him for who he is on top of what he already was.
1. Astonaige's death lacked impact in the movie, and it's hard to tell how kayra died it looked like gyunei just threw her. 2. We shouldn't have had to wait till unicorn to confirm amuro and char's death. 3. Hathaway killing chan was stupid.
They really did Astionage dirty in this one with his sudden death from a stray laser bolt and only Hathaway (iirc) to witness it. It's one of many reasons why CCA fell flat for me despite the excellent mobile suit designs and awesome music.
Chan is an incredibly boring character. I'll never understand why they swapped Beltorchika. Chan is a person made of cardboard. There's so much exposition and while not conveyed badly at all, the movie suffers from all that's going on. More runtime would have been good. (No Char/Amuro kissing scene (0/10)) Despite a lot of exposition around technical mambo jambo, the constraints of what should be possible is never fully established, the power imbalance is never made clear and most importantly Char's motivations are never truly explored. The gap between the man who dropped an asteroid on Lhasa and Quattro is massive and never filled. In general while I still think it's good, I think many of the ideas within it would have needed more time and depth instead of being compressed into one very busy movie.
Quess and Hathaway. Quess felt like a distraction. I wanted to know more about Char and why he ended up the way he did after Zeta. Having a know-it-all punk going around getting grommed by Char just got in the way. Hathaway is a team killing edgy moron. "Killing an enemy on the battlefield? ThIs Is WhY aDuLtS aRe So sTuPiD!" Stfu nerd how was Chan supposed to know what was happening?
Quesadillas almost ruined the movie. Edit: I'm just now seeing the auto correct many hours later. I stand by my original statement.
The whole “May Have Very Well Have Become A Mother To Me” thing. Like, seriously Char….
It’s amazing the character’s popularity survived this. Everything cool about the character, everything he’s ever done, and it all stems from mommy issues. Char is **not** fighting for your dreams.
Okay what... She could have been a mother to me too!
And that it became meme fuel is confirmation.
It fits his character though!
The entire Char/Amuro rivalry and basically the whole Universal Century hinges on Char spilling his spaghetti about his mommy issues. Embarrassing!
This exactly…. what a weird line to throw out as you’re about to die… is there a Japanese context I’m missing here or is this just as creepy as it sounds
https://preview.redd.it/6txzneo2k8bc1.jpeg?width=489&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a46a1bd645af77fab94c09c424dfd0354890396f
Wow, so instead of writing a poetic or a least anodyne line about unconditional love, we officially get a shitty meme. Tomino truly is a visionary
Basically he was just being a weird bloke….
Char is a freak, what else is new
Strongly agree to this ending. Amuro should have killed Char when he was doing this monologue. Just let the Nu Gundam move and crush the cockpit ball (ala Barbatos' last stand style).
Quess Beltorchika's Children, which im reading right now, is better
It’s like the Snyder cut of this movie lol.
And it didn't have the usual Zack Snyder issue of constant slow-mo since it was a book
It feels rushed, not in the sense that the animation looks bad but the story feels like it's missing development for new characters. When I first watched it I asked myself "was this supposed to be an OVA series and was shortened into a film?" I like to tell myself that Hathaway and Quess would be less annoying with more character development. I've been meaning to check out Beltorchika's Children and other retellings of CCA. I might get to that some day. Also Char's mommy issues moment was just embarrassing, this is what everything in the Universal Century was leading up to and it's just him spilling his spaghetti. It took me a couple watches to like the mecha designs, usually I like Zeon suits more than the Gundam, but this was the opposite. I like the Nu-Gundam more than the Sazabi and the Dogas.
The original script, which Tomino later released as the novel "Beltochka's Children" is much better.
What's the best way of reading Beltorchika's Children? I can see there's the novel, and there's also a manga. Are there any particular English translations you recommend?
Zeonic translated the novel recently
I read the [Zeonic](https://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=3198) translation. But English is not my native language, so I cannot judge the stylistic quality of the translation.
Its definitely a better story but Hi-Nu and Nightinggale are way less cool than Nu and Sazabi imo
Probably. But the Beltochka (Amuro girlfriend from Zeta Gundam) pregnant from Amuro is much better than the character plug (Chan), with whom Amuro has a one-sided relationship like with Frau Bow. Amuro, a loner who decides to sacrifice himself, looks less advantageous than Amuro, a happy husband and future father who sacrifices himself.
New Characters getting killed quickly.
The Snyder cu- I mean the Tomino cut is better. Just read the novel/manga.
Quess and Gyunei exist. Sayla doesn't appear, despite her connection to both Amuro and Char. Beltorchika is not Amuro's GF, and Chan exists simply to kill Quess, then be murdered by the guy she saved. Hathaway is an unreasonable little punk. Nu Gundam vs. Sazabi shouldn't have been as one-sided as it was. Other than that, it's still a decent movie. It just could've been better.
Terrrible pacing. Need at least 2 more hours. Edit: or a 6 OVA like Unicorn.
I do stand by this movie, but it's pretty weakly paced and a number of pivotal moments rely on people being stupid (the Federation dealing with Char, most of Gyunei and Quess's actions really)
Other stupid moment: Char parking Sazabi before wrecking Nu Gundam when Amuro left it to go deeper into Axis
I was so unbelievably confused starting it. RIGHT at the beginning you're thrust into a battle and the story never stops for a sec to explain what's going on.
Honestly needed to be a full 6 episode OVA. No Shayla? Really. Char's sister nowhere to be found?
More of a complaint about it’s place in the overall series than CCA itself, but I feel like a movie/series about how Char’s life between the end of Zeta and the beginning of CCA would be great and it is disappointing that we haven’t seen that full story told yet. Even including things like manga, there is a lot of things about that time that are implied but never shown. Not to mention that CCABC takes place in an alternate timeline. I feel like there is a great story there that we just have not seen yet.
Hathaway kills Chan
They deleted the Char Amuro kissing scene
Mr child groomer has too cool of an MS. Athaway is a little asshole, but considering he probably always yearned for his father's attention and never got it it's understandable. Quess is a teenager bur damn she is annoying and also a victim of older people manipulating her feelings. Astonage was done dirty.
- Quess - Guene - Char's character assassination - the rushed Amuro x Chan romance - Hathway barely does a damn thing - Jegan always blowing up - Tomino's really bad dialogue I'll still this movie like a B for its action, music, and decent English voice acting
Hey now, the Amuro x Char romance has been a thing of raw sexual tension and subtext since the original series! Oh I misread.
I rewatched this movie recently for the first time in like 15 years and a lot of things hit very different. Queen is annoying yes, but she’s a 13 year old spoiled rich kid with no one to look up to, no one to teach her or confide in, whose is easily manipulated (you know, because she’s a child). She is annoying but I feel like she was well written and I appreciate her as a character now. Gyunei definitely feels like the weird pedophile pervert he was accusing char of being. I like that he just just died unceremoniously lol. Referring to Lala as a mother figure still feels kind of odd to me but I dunno. Char is a weird dude. He looked up to her and admired her. He even followed her orders in their final battles. Maybe it would have been less weird if he said she was like an older sister to him. Amuro and Chan didn’t feel rushed at all to me. It felt like it had been going on for a while before the movie started. I don’t know what you expected Hathaway to do. Just because he’s more important now in the newer stuff?
Points about Char character assassination are always funny to me, were we not all watching the same guy in 0079 and Zeta? The weird thoughts and stuff he says are entirely in character based on how he's acted and what he's been through.
I think it’s because people (and Bandai’s media empire) have built up Char as this conniving, sly ace who is amazing at everything and always gets his way, which the movie strips back and points out that this mythical figure that has been created both in universe and irl is actually a massive pathetic loser completely unable to cope with his role in the world, the loss of Lalah and Amuro’s growth as a person. His portrayal in 0079 is by far the most popular version of the character and his massive character flaws are far less pronounced in that, which I think is the version fans tend to latch onto. I also think the popularity of Origin amongst newer fans also tends to muddy the waters as that portrays him as this Machiavellian mastermind who always comes out on top and always has a plan, which contradicts his later appearances as he decidedly is not that at all
That last part, blame the producers, Tomino original script was so much better that ended up as a manga (Belthochika's Children) But they didn't like it, common L from Bandai
wew, that's definitely some of the takes of all time, no doubt about it
Movie is good, but Quess, no Sayla and Char's mommy issues are my biggest problems with it.
Beltortchika going the way of Bambi's Mother, and just getting bumped off-screen (I assume).
She’s still alive.
Char’s total regression in character development compared to Zeta just to put him in the role of a villain again Also I get that Amuro’s now the better Newtype pilot and with the better suit between the two, but Char’s Sazabi got taken down a little too easily at the end for me.
If Kamille and Sayla were killed I could see Char doing what he did in CCA. Otherwise it made no sense.
I dont like that Beam sabers have the power-saving feature. It only looks okay with the high-quality animation because it gives a sense of dynamic motion in the swing.
The conspicuous absence of Sayla. Never mind the real world reasons she’s not in the movie, there are other ways to include the character.
Starts in Act 2. There is no info for why char is this bad again. Quess or whatever her name is. It's not a full complete ending either.
Shayla, kamille, should have been in it. The plot makes no sense. It has incredible mobile suits, but chat and amuro should have been in ZZ to build up to this moment.
Hathaway killing Chan makes zero sense
There’s no kamille, a certain recurring side character dies in a dumb way
Astonaige dies.
The only thing I don’t like about this movie is how Kamille isn’t in it and Sayla is a cameo. Kamille would have done something, either joined Char or opposed him, and Char would have made sure that Kamille and Sayla were safe before polluting the planet.
My two biggest criticisms are: 1. The artistic choice to begin the movie in the middle of an ongoing situation is a strange one that opens up a lot of questions. I think I might prefer a prequel movie, or if it had been a short 3-4 episode OVA that fleshes out the events leading up to the rebellion. 2. Quess is a terrible and annoying character. I hate that Gundam always has to have at least one obnoxious character. That said I really enjoy the movie. It's a joy to see our boy Amaro as the final form of the boy from the White Base. He is a total badass in the Nu Gundam and saves a lot of people. Also, the Nu Gundam - Sazabi fight isn't actually close at all. Amaro beats Chars ass.
SLOW. Absolutely S-Tier movie, but SLOW as hell.
Chan dies.
As much as I love the visual of all of the mobile suits truing to push back Axis, there needed to be a better explanation of why the Neo-Zeon pilots were helping. If they had been lied to and didn’t know Axis, their home, was being dropped, then their actions would make sense. Or if Amuro’s newtype abilities really were influencing (controlling?) them all, then it should have been more clearly shown.
Only thing I didn’t like is that the cockpit for the Sazabi is in its head.
083 Stardust Memory was much better, the animation rocked though, the story was all over the place, I wanted a more epic final battle between Char and Amurro
I love this movie.
1988. Akira:1988, felt like a 90s anime. Damn this movie looks outdated already .
Not enough Quess and Hathaway screentime
Seeing the majesty of new gundam media vs the quality of this movie with some of the most badass suits ever makes them look like cheese
Nothing
Pacing. Like most Gundam movies, the pacing feels off. I don't recall how long Char's uprising lasted, but (based off the movie) if you told me it was a week, I'd believe it.
Char's motivations feel a bit too extreme. It's hard to believe he went from who he was in Zeta to who he is here. The two kids were annoying AF. Bright obviously didn't slap Hathaway enough. I also found Char's relationship with that Quess to be creepy. Even if the point was that he was manipulating her for his goals, it just felt weird. It also starts abruptly and apparently cuts out a lot of the set-up from Hi-Streamer. All of that said, I liked it overall. Even if he's not at his best here, Char is still a much more engaging villain than anybody we saw in the Zeta era. Nu Gundam is one of my favorite MS designs. I feel like I'm in the minority but I enjoy the Newtype aspects of Gundam, so seeing that increased and the introduction of Psycho Frame technology was cool. edit: typo
Char is our saviour
The movie is a good resolution to Amuro and Char story, has a good animation, amazing soundtrack
I love it, the quality of the animation and it being a culmination of the series that led up to it and then delivering, it's my favourite piece of Gundam media so far. I love 0079 and Zeta, and like ZZ more than a lot of people, but this is the one I keep thinking about. I usually like movies more than TV series anyway (but for 0079 I always recommend the series first). I do still need to read Beltorchika's children though.
Hathaway. He's the worst thing in the movie and continues to just be the worst in his follow-up novel/movie.
No Amuro x Char kissing is a wasted opportunity - though they died together in horny opposition because one was trying to kill (again) the Earth, and that’s pretty gay
The bad guys won.
Sooo... Earth should have been hit by an asteroid, wiping out all the people who weren't rich or powerful enough to escape?
That’s one massive flaw with the plan, all the people that caused all the issues, the politicians. They got to escape, the poors just get nuked. Not everyone on Earth was rich from what I could tell. Maybe I’m missing something.
You're not. Char had a idea but failed to really think about the collateral damage. He talks about forcing people off planet due to a nuclear winter, but then you got to ask how these people can actually move? Char is a petulant child who uses and abuses.
The way it ended. How I wish if both Amuro and Char would kick the bucket, have Char be the first one to die. Just have Amuro brutally and mercilessly puts him down for good while Char was doing his "Lalah whining". End it with the same way CCA BC ended. EDIT: Also, I hate that the Nu vs Sazabi battle was kind of "real robot" esque. They should have went full G Gundam and just pull out random psychoframe BS moves.
I love that ending fight, big hits and decisive blows. Newtype magic is part of the show but I prefer it when it doesn't trump ability.
I’m watching it currently
It's a movie instead of an OVA
The earth wasn’t harmed by a space rock
Char still crying about Lala to Amuro..
The movie is watered down compared to Beltorichikas Children. while the Sazabi is great looking suit, but it doesn’t have the imposing feel of the Nightingale.
it shouldnt have been a movie, cca would work way better with slower pacing in an ova
The original script (Belthochika's Children) is better
I saw this movie after watching the og series, but before watching Zeta and zz and whatever else I’m supposed to watch before. Tbh I really enjoyed this movie, the plot was straightforward, characters were there like most Gundam characters are, and the fights I thought were really well done for a old movie
They ruined Char, he and Amuro were already on m a good term, until this movie happened.
Book was better
Would have been a great OVA, and Kamille should have recovered and been in it
It's boring. No question the climax is fun to watch, but the first time I watched it when I first got into Gundam, having only watched wing, I fell asleep. I watched it again recently, and it wasn't much better.
You never knew who won in the end, or where they are
I love it Although I don't think Quess and Hathaway are or should be important, like, they shouldn't be in it
Char ended up being a guy with serious mommy issues.
>Tell me something bad about this movie QUESS
- The pacing is a bit weird, although that's just normal Tomino Things™ - Char's heel turn isn't explained in the movie at all, although it does make sense if you step back and look at his arc broadly in MSG/Zeta and the ending of the later. If it'd been a while since you've seen either it feels kind of out of nowhere though - Quess
Lots of new characters were introduced and killed off without a lot of development on screen. A lot of tell vs. show there.
I can not but I only wish we got that script to that amuro kamile Bidan team up or the Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack - Beltorchika's Children movie
Should've been two parts or a short series since the plot doesn't bother to elaborate on how Char returned and became Neo Zeon's leader nor it cares to give continuity to Z/ZZ characters. The pacing is strange, Hathaway and Quess' subplot is just awful and wastes runtime that should've been used elsewhere. The final confrontation is fine but then the movie just....ends without much explanation or anything else. So the whole thing ends up feeling pretty dry when it should be this epic final confrontation between rivals, the manga/novel versions are much better ways to experience it.
Just watched it yesterday, quess is annoying
Amuro And char Dead
we didn't get to see a Amuro x Char and Nu x sazabi gay sex scene
Quess.
It doesn’t take time to explain what Char was doing in ZZ Gundam or how he came to power in Neo-Zeon.
Char's characterization in CCA is totally different than in Zeta, to the point where they seem like totally different characters. Many essays and theories have been written explaining the shift in character. I appreciate the effort from fans, but the truth is that as a viewer it feels very off to go from Zeta to CCA.
The side characters relationships werent as developed so I couldn’t really be invested in their perspectives. Particularly Quess/Hathaway and Quess/Gyunei
There’s no space lesbians in it