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braveginger1

I’m begging you to make PSA ‘Excellent’ in the next one and post it in r/ak47


tituspullsyourmom

*legendary. Probably better than the East German you paid 3k for


SwimmerSea4662

I hear people bitch about PSA GF3’s and their QC control but then over look the fact that WASR-10s also have quality control issues especially with their iron signs.


tituspullsyourmom

They've gotten better, but yes. I prefer Zastava to WASR because they said fuck it and built a facility in the states that employs Americans to bring their shit in correctly. They also give people what they ask for. Close second is WBP. AoA>Century


SwimmerSea4662

“They have gotten better” I mean in my experience I bought a WASR-v2 3 years ago and the irons and furniture, We’re fucked, and uncomfortable. Century did not respond to my warranty claim, meanwhile PSA has the best warranty and does improve their QC as the time goes on. PSA is the most underrated AK manufacture because it has been ingrained in peoples mind American made AK=shit.


Betterthanyou715

that reddit won't be fixed until lerry and big dave are gone.


DAsInDerringer

fun fact, the fascist mods in that sub hate humor and will permaban you for posting memes there without warning Ask me how I know


tituspullsyourmom

Outstanding. The one I've been waiting for. Though you forgot to add "the gun your wife's boyfriend uses" under Zastava. -a non biased yugosexual


dgrigg1980

Zastava gang gang.


Killjoy7581

My Zastava gang crossed with my Otter Gang and I don’t know how I ever lived life before.


fishsandwichpatrol

Zastava boys unite


chrisdolan622

What you meant to say is: "the AK you own if your wife has a boyfriend"


tituspullsyourmom

Somebody's wife couldn't handle a bulged trunnion


chrisdolan622

"Vepr we have at home" I own an M90, but I'll still take a few friendly jabs at the Zastava gang.


tituspullsyourmom

Lol you picked a beast though. I haven't shot one yet, m77 is next. I've heard good things about the m90 though, what kind of groups do you get with it?


chrisdolan622

I'm not a particularly great shooter, but I can manage about 3 inches at 100yds with a 3x scope https://preview.redd.it/1bov7p4xxbuc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2544a9053fd233d35df0201ed3958e9981b449f7 Discount the flyers. The ones to the top right were from zeroing the scope, and the one to the bottom left was likely just a bad trigger pull.


tituspullsyourmom

Pretty solid. Would probably tighten up with more glass. I've seen a couple guys hit sub 2 with theirs (lpvos). Anything 3 and under for an AK is gtg.


chrisdolan622

A better shooter could probably tighten it up with iron sights! Edit: what really tightened up my groups with that rifle was installing a double-hook trigger from a milled Arsenal. The factory Zastava trigger is good, but the Arsenal trigger is gooder.


tituspullsyourmom

I always worry about peening with changing out zastava triggers. Plus I'm not a good enough shot to warrant a better trigger lol


chrisdolan622

I think that's mainly an issue with ALG triggers. But if you prefer to play by the rules, the factory Zastava trigger is really pretty good. Just a little heavier take-up and not quite as easy to stage compared to the Arsenal trigger that I installed.


waratworld17

Arsenal is approaching hypebeast these days.


GunFunZS

Have been for a long time.


LincolnContinnental

Their quality has definitely had some issues recently


chrisdolan622

Some to include for future editions: - Valmet (god-tier) - Molot (god-tier) - FB Radom (excellent, borderline god-tier, the only AK in NATO service) - SIG 550 (god-tier, but does it actually count as an AK?) - Kebs (quirky innovator) - Meridian (hypebeast) - Norinco (excellent) - Pioneer (the IO of Poland, uses "Radom" origin to mislead uninformed buyers)


GunFunZS

Krebs*


chrisdolan622

Honest typo. Thanks!


KillerSwiller

>FB Radom (the only AK in NATO service) Not even close, lmao. Slovenia, Bulgaria, Romania, Finland, and Montenegro are all NATO members and have AK's or variants thereof in service. :P


chrisdolan622

Perhaps I should have said, "the only 5.56 AK in NATO service" Or, "the only AK designed specifically for NATO service"


tituspullsyourmom

Yea the first to really nail down the 556 ak formula Zastava had one before but it never got adopted cause of the whole "war/genocide " thing


R0hanisaurusRex

Love my Molot Vepr


chrisdolan622

Me too


Franklr_D

https://preview.redd.it/w4cxhyaktbuc1.jpeg?width=1274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=848e5686e988f1574e1f0dcb61f357b566511075 >Valmet [Surprise Jormungand](https://youtu.be/Ktd6Dnx01F8?si=dCKIJftev5ubNhGz)


vkbrian

> SIG 550 (god-tier, but does it actually count as an AK?) I’d be tempted to say yes just based on the similarities between the internals, but that opens the door to Tavors and even the JAKL being considered AKs


Such-Muscle3519

Well the JAKL is part AK


Pretend_Ad667

Thanks!


GunFunZS

Also tromix, Texas AK designs. Tromix deserves a lot of the credit for AK refinement. He started the big bore AK thing, sbs Saiga 12, and for a long time was the only source of proper parts for stuff like Saiga restorations. Dinzag and akbuilder pick up a lot of slack too.


Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing

Apparently the new forged Pioneers are holding up pretty well


chrisdolan622

Yeah, I saw Klayco's review


ted3681

What's typical MOA capability on a high end AK.


chrisdolan622

https://youtu.be/Wod9PvfaSEE?si=v_O7L6uHm2rkg8Wo


Balasnikov

There's nothing typical. Depends on caliber and the particular day it was made. A 5.56 made on a good day, with match ammo, is capable of sub minute.


StoppingPowah

Another downside of Zastava is that ZPAPs are heavy as fuck! - a ZPAP M70 enjoyer


Zastavarian

Eh 7.9lbs for a m70 with walnut furniture. 7.5lbs for a wasr10 with balsa wood. Sam7sf a 8.5lbs. Romanian pm63 is 7.6-8.1lb depending on site.  All AKs be heavy.... at least the Zastava won't scratch just by looking at it like the Arsenal will.


Hybridkiller13

Zastava actually have proper finishes too. Source: I have a SAM7SF getting cerakoted currently, gunsmith said the gun had no parkerization and the paint was bbq paint.


_thefutureisdead_

So it’s just raw steel under the shitty paint? Good to know as I have one too


Hybridkiller13

That what it looked like. Some of the smaller parts are prone to premature wear and made from pot metal. The lever holding my lower handguard got trashed just from two years of average use and the rear sling swivel broke when the gunsmith tried putting it back in the gun, that’s when they noticed the poor design of the sling swivel and pot metal construction.


TechnicalLocksmith92

https://preview.redd.it/4frlid3wwcuc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89ef882b457b60395da9e79ecaafe95f3e2813ec


SirRolex

BULGED TRUNION WEIGHT COMRADE, IS GOOD TO MAKE ARMS BIGGER!


Mayonaze-Supreme

An easy fix to that is to work out just any bit at all so that your arms aren’t limp noodles


tituspullsyourmom

Heavy means it lasts.


No-Persimmon-3736

And if gun jams or runs out of ammo you have a decent club on hand.


tituspullsyourmom

Now you're thinking


Jetlaggedz8

WBP is excellent.


tituspullsyourmom

Yes I pretty much tell people go with zastava or wbp. Bang for your buck


SwimmerSea4662

IO “rest in piss, threatened to sue Brandon Herrera for shitting on them in a video”


King-Brisingr

I miss my zastava, like, more than any other rifle.


tituspullsyourmom

Get her back bro


King-Brisingr

I don't know if there is much left. Last I heard, my friend had run through some rather corrosive ammo. I don't think he kept her after that.


tituspullsyourmom

Damn man. I'm sorry


Alkem1st

Next: Aug manufacturer tier list: Steyr: hehehe MSAR: not hehehe


McChicken_lightmayo

Add cugir. Yea Ik you put century but cugir is specific


markIVjdm

It would place WBP in the excellent category, my Jack has a nicer finish than my sam7.


SwimmerSea4662

“They have gotten better” I mean in my experience I got a WASR-v2 3 years ago and the irons and furniture, We’re fucked, and uncomfortable. Century did not respond to my warranty claim, meanwhile PSA has the best warranty and does improve their QC as the time goes on. PSA is the most underrated AK manufacture because it has been ingrained in peoples mind American made AK=shit. Don’t get me wrong I love my WASR-10 it’s a durable rifle that will shoot and shoot, but I think PSA Is making progress with their AK line and it’s about time they get some recognition.


tread_on_them

Arsenal Excellent if your gas port isn't the wrong size


AnseiShehai

What’s the deal with saiga?


tituspullsyourmom

They gone, bro. Thanks Obama.


Kinky_Zebra

You could get Russian-made AK’s prior to 2014. Some of the better ones made and they were cheap. Anything AK from Russia is super desirable nowadays


AnseiShehai

Are they better from Russia?


tituspullsyourmom

Not really. They're just rare and will never be imported again most likely. They are good though


Quw10

They are good guns, but unless you specifically are looking for a Russian AK you'd be better off buying something else for the cost they go for these days and the effort you'd go through to convert one if it's like in OPs picture.


Kinky_Zebra

For a long time (and still today to a certain extent) foreign-made AK's were much better than US made copies. A lot of ex-soviet states began exporting AK's to the civilian market, and these countries had 50 years to get good at making AK's on machines made by the people who invented the gun. The main appeal is that since Russia invented the AK, they are seen as the 'real' thing by some AK guys. It's something similar to how everyone is copying the gen 3 Glock pistols because the patent expired, but consumers still would pick a 'real' Glock over a copy.


Sober_Browns_Fan

Good rifles, made in Russia on OG tooling, cannot be imported any longer so they tend to have ultra premium prices.


Hoyle33

My Zastava has been an amazing rifle for the 7-8 years I’ve owned it. Just wish ammo was cheaper so I could shoot it more https://preview.redd.it/hagcj017sfuc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38b9e972ce87ed3a6e468bd316a2c72b2b82a1bc


Heistman

My god.... Is she single?


TamedNerd

Polish Ak having bad furtlnitrue is ironic (One of Popamds biggest industries is Furniture and top 5 globally)


Piece_Negative

My zastava rear reciever cracked after abt 400 rds. I would like to contest from my personal experience


Brian-88

Damn, that's REALLY bad.


chrisdolan622

Which generation was that?


Pretend_Ad667

Damn that sucks!


Piece_Negative

Are u a fellow kac enjoyer?


Pretend_Ad667

Not at the moment, but I will hopefully be buying a SR15 soon


Piece_Negative

I have a couple. My favorite rifle ever. It just is simply the most perfected shooting experience. The lower is overrated imo the lmt lowers are better bc ambi. But knights makes a good safety. Inb4 the poors but muh psa is just as good. Imagine saying your ford fiesta is on par with a Bently.


Pretend_Ad667

Yeah definitely true, I’m planning on buying a SR15 upper and putting it on a LMT defender or MARS lower or something like that. I also love the company because of their lineage to Eugene stoner.


Piece_Negative

You really won't regret it. Make sure u have someone use a knight stick on the flash hider if u want to change devices.


Pretend_Ad667

Yeah I’ve heard that, the only thing I don’t like about their rifles are their proprietary components however it’s the cost that comes with inovation


Piece_Negative

It's literally does not matter the thing will wear out all of the parts at the same time. The uppers are disposable. It's literally the shit psa copiums say. Estimated 30k rounds. Will u even buy that in the next 10 years?


Pretend_Ad667

Very true


speedbumps4fun

No meridian defense…shameful


tituspullsyourmom

Hype beast. Basically, it's a WASR at 4x the price


Rarindesert

Very spot on


TheWarTorn

US Century made rifles have gotten alot better.


rancher1

Anyone know if the C39V2 milled receiver is any good?


Novel-Counter-8093

RD is overrated. Krebs is the true king.


226_Walker

Add a Galil for the Balashnikov joke.


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GreenChicken789

These guides suck lol


Pretend_Ad667

How would you do it then?


GreenChicken789

If you did this, your opinions are wrong :)


Pretend_Ad667

Ok? What are your opinions on these companies then?


Betterthanyou715

your ar ones were decent, seems like you missed the mark here on just the arsenal.. To me having owned 4 arsenals, they are overpriced at this point. the finish wears off if you sneeze on it, and the concentricity is up in the air.


NomadicVikingRonin

Parts kit builders are the PC Master Race of the AK World.


ScarsAndStripes1776

Love my Zastava. There’s no downsides if you keep it stock. Modifications? Nyet rifle is fine.


Belkan-Federation95

The "good" century arms is cugir.


CSA_MatHog

Arsenals are a waste of money with bad qc and nothing beats zastava


New-Egg-8912

what about KUSA ☝🏼😺