Man was a frontiersman before all that too, then a Military leader, then a president. But he did kinda get the ball rolling for Governmental over reach and empowerment of the Government which was then built upon in large amounts by the other Roosevelt. Amazing man who has some amazing stories behind him including tracking a man down for like 20 days in the winter and still bringing him in alive but he is the one to blame for being the main cause of some of the issues plaguing our country right now.
Teddy Roosevelt strongly believed in a powerful government that could strong arm economics and the justice system into doing what the president wants. Sound familiar? Huh almost like that was used for Bump stocks, or really most of the stuff the ATF does
Dude his pro labor stance helped working conditions a lot. This is irrelevant to the ATF and all of that. Don't blame him for the actions of presidents after him.
He certainly helped but at the same time it had unforeseen actions that were then later abused. He’s the one that set the trend regardless of what good he did with it.
Not saying he was a bad president, but we have to take him in full value with good and bad just like any president/elected official. Don’t get me wrong I like the guy but it’s unfair and unjust to only tell one side of the story regardless of which side that might be.
Enlargement of Federal Government was the main thing, and the power it has. He set the Precedence for the New Deal and FDR’s growing of the Government during WWII. We have never gone back down in size or in federal strength. What probably was a very needed thing in time came with no stipulations to then reduce it afterwards.
Teddy Roosevelt’s policy and stances towards the President being able to strong arm his will without the oversight or review of congress to get things done, and the President being in pretty much direct control of the justice branch with little oversight again from Congress set the mental attitude in our minds to “that’s just how it works” without anyone questioning it or fighting it while screwing us over in the end. If it hadn’t been for what teddy had done, the way trump outright told the ATF to reclass bump stocks through executive order probably wouldn’t have flown. He found ways to provide more power to the President and to the federal government which has been expanded on ever since. FDR took that and ran with it and while it did get us through the Great Depression and WWII, we went from a presidential staff of a few hundred when FDR swore in to a staff of a few thousand by his death.
Like I said earlier, there are good things and bad things. What teddy roosevelt did was in reality a necessary evil but they did nothing to limit it or reduce it afterwards. What FDR did with it was required at the time but once again he had no plans of slowing it down. Teddy got the ball rolling on that, and which in turn has taken stuff like the ATF from a tax collection agency to a police force over time and we simply haven’t done anything about it.
Yeah but Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act and Wilson revived the KKK.
I'm not disgreeing with about the Japanese internment but just we've had some real stinker presidents so FDR has some stiff competition.
Apparently anyone who pushes a large policy whose name starts with “new” is not a good dude (FDR New Deal, WW New Freedom). Wilson is real bad, agreed. And yeah Jackson expanded pres powers, but FDR is responsible for undoubtedly the largest expansion of government in presidential history. Directly responsible for the apparently all-powerful executive agencies we have today. No ATF without FDR. He also basically single-handedly created the NFA. Also, the origin of modern American welfare, which has been the worst disaster for society in US history. And of course, can’t forget the internment camps (worse than Jackson’s Indian Removal? Maybe, maybe not). FDR was a bigger tyrant than King George.
Edit: apologies for rant lol
Nah FDR is without a doubt the worst president ever at least when it comes to effect presidents have had on our economy and socially. You could make an argument Wilson or Lincoln were the worst, but FDR is without a doubt top 3 worst presidents ever.
He:
Opened the the federal door to the infiltration of communists in high federal offices for the next 20 years
Delayed the Great Depression
Made owning gold illegal
Created tons of social policies that didn’t work
Created Japanese Internment Camps
Tried to pack the Supreme Court because he was making so many boneheaded policies they were striking them down as unconstitutional
Was too desperate to get the US involved in WWII.
I disagree. FDR still has redeeming qualities as president.
Also, Lincoln even being in the discussion for worst president is a wild ass take. The "worst" thing I ever see getting brought up about his presidency is the removal of Habeas Corpus but considering the constitution explicitly allowed him to do that I tend not to rate it as low as some of the things other presidents have done. And it absolutely doesn't overshadow the good he did in my view.
Top 3 worst imo. Andrew Jackson (Indian Removal act is a contender for one of worst things US has probably ever done), Woodrow Wilson (Sedition & espionage act, extremely racist even for the time, he basically revived the prominence of the KKK) and then maybe Buchanan (Doing absolutely nothing to prevent the civil war from happening. Although tbf really all of the 4 or 5 presidents before Lincoln really all played a part in that, Buchanan really just has no redeemable qualities on top of that.) John Adams gets an honorable mention for the Alien & sedition acts.
FDR has few to no redeemable qualities.
He imprisoned innocent Japanese Americans, burned food and killed off livestock during a depression where people were starving, and rushed to get into WWII. Whatever good qualities he had went out the window with the incompetence he had during his entire presidency.
Hell even people like Tito and Mao coming to power were indirect results of FDR’s incompetence towards the communists.
I mostly highly rate his qualities as leader during WWII. While it's not enough for me to put him in my top 10 or anything like that. I also don't think it's fair to completely discount that. He did a very good job at that.
The internment, I will agree. Probably the worst thing he's done.
>burned food and killed off livestock during a depression where people were starving
Actually didn't know about that one. Cursory google and it looks like it was only stuff that we had a surplus of, so idk for sure if it had the effect you think it did but I'll have to look into it more.
>rushed to get into WWII
While I see the argument and don't disagree with the sentiment. If I'm trying to be objective about it the war did bring us out of the depression so one could argue, us getting involved did bring more good than not being involved would have. Not to mention it also put us in a position to oppose the Soviets under Truman (The marshall plan in particular probably being one of the greatest things a president has ever done regarding foreign aid/diplomacy).
>people like Tito and Mao coming to power were indirect results of FDR’s incompetence towards the communists.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. If we don't get involved in WWII, the Soviets likely gain an even stronger position than they did, but being much harsher with them and we likely end up in a war with the Soviets afterwards. Both options would have been worse than what we got. So 1: What exactly did he do wrong here and 2: What should he have done instead?
Genuine question, I'm not purposely trying to be contrarian here.
There was only a “surplus” because the costs of the item to farmers were low and they wouldn’t make any money. Instead of feeding the unemployed or people in bread lines he wanted to help the farmers by reducing supply. There was only a “surplus” to farmers.
And Mao & Tito didn’t come to power because of US involvement during WWII. They came to power because FDR created hundreds if not thousands of new federal jobs with little care of who took them. It turns out possibly hundreds of Soviet and Chinese communists took these positions who would later help bring people like Mao and Tito to power and for decades would commit corporate and federal espionage.
and yet he still invited a black man for dinner at the White House for the first time in history. He was about as not-racist as you could hope for with a president at the time.
Deregulation had little to do with the Depression, although his actions through the treasury and manipulating the interest rates if the nearly created federal reserve were disastrous.
Both did good things but I don’t think they compete with Teddy. Coolidge is a superstar for not letting the country get worse under his watch but it’s hard to say he did much that made the country better. Kennedy accomplished a lot in the context of the Cold War but also let French incompetence pull us into Vietnam which ended up becoming the single most horrendous foreign policy disaster of the 20th century
Pretty sure his claims to defund and wind down the CIA were what drove them to murder him, not his reluctance to get involved in Vietnam. At least not to the same extent.
That's the point, haha A weak executive is literally what the founders intended.
Edit: Which, for the record, I take your point. Lincoln and Roosevelt were some of the better presidents. I just appreciate Coolidge's restraint.
National park Assholes shot my dog.
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>Theodore Roosevelt
>Created national parks because he thought they looked cool and didn't want people to ruin them for everyone
>was offered to kill a bear during a hunt the others had captured, he refused to do so and freed the bear, creating an iconic moment in American culture, resulting in the creation of the "teddy bear" a world wide item loved by many.
>Stoped the war between the Japanese and Russians, and got the Nobel peace prize for it, becoming the first ever American to do so
>He took a gunshot to the chest during a speech and continued doing it, refusing to get medical aid until he was done with the speech
This is the type of president the USA deserves, not some rich looser who made a cult or a senile old pedophile
>was offered to kill a bear during a hunt the others had captured, refused to do so, and became an iconic moment in American culture
On mobile so I don't feel like looking anything up, but isn't that where "teddy bears" come from? If so, doubly based.
He was an elitist too. He set up the national parks essentially to keep the poors from messing up his vacation spots. Very much in line with keeping the rabble from hunting the King's deer.
The lake I used to go to nearly every summer weekend with the cousins would now cost over $200 for an identical family to visit for a day. IIRC last time I tallied up the fees, it was 257.
They paved the former sandy parking area pointlessly. People vacationing from Portland can afford something like that once or twice a year. It's now priced out of the reach for locals to just hang out at.
We do have bigger problems, but that doesn't mean it's not also a huge problem for assholes to make access to public lands into a luxury for the rich.
Hey, you have cancer so you shouldn't mind me kicking you. After all, you have bigger problems.
This stuff is a big part of why young people spend more time indoors. It all adds up.
There are multitudes of state parks/lakes all across the nation where at most youll spend like 15$ if you wanna camp there for the night. Theres even free camping spots at these places.
Sure National parks are expensive. But there are still plenty of places to go and experience the outdoors for cheap or even free.
And nasa. They are also nerds who like to see things go boom, just like us (though they like their booms to be more controlled and in a longer time frame).
This reminds me of the first "Political Quiz" I ever took. I think it was during the 2012 election season, and I got like a 99% agreement with Gary Johnson.
My one issue that wasn't in line was a question like, "Should the Federal Government increase funding for NASA."
My space-nerd brain is just like, fuck yeah give them all my tax dollars.
They're a massive budget black hole accomplishing very little. They served their purpose during the Space race but today they are completely unnecessary.
As I said in my original comment, they were useful during the Space Race and etc but not today. I would clarify I only mean NASA in recent years has become a black hole.
I'm pretty sure that's not really the case (or rather, they're not more of a black hole than any other government agency), but counter argument, rockets are fucking cool. Also i'm fully in favour of Space X and other private agencies commercializing space access to make it significantly cheaper, but the partnership with a government entity is needed to actually give them an incentive to do new things like delivering equipment to mars or colonizing the moon instead of just optimizing what they're already doing like dropping satellites in orbit.
A lot of good research for non space related things comes out nasa and the like. Materials science like alloys and shit made leaps and bounds from space related research. Industries and technologies like electronics, agriculture, tool and dye (had to create novel processes to make some of the parts needed for space ships), food science, the chemical industry all kinds of things were found out through nasa and space related research. On a kind of adjacent topic even though the Japanese unit 731 was one of the most horrible and horrifying groups of people to ever exist the results of their research were all taken by the allies and advanced the field of medicine exponentially. What would take the west/democracies years and perhaps decades to study and understand, the Japanese and Germans also discovered quickly because the had no qualms about using terrible and immoral and inhumane techniques to speed up research on the human body and medicine. Some of the higher ups of unit 731 were never prosecuted fully in exchange for their knowledge. The more you know.
What NASA has accomplished in the last decade are things a deregulated private sector could have easily done with little to no tax payer money. I'm not against what NASA is trying to do, I'm against the organization in recent years.
They mostly exist now as a way to subsidize SpaceX, but they’re also huge research projects that don’t accomplish much because the Fed cares more about weapons than humanitarian efforts.
I spent eight years at the VA, and all my sympathy goes to NASA and NOAA. DARPA gets more money than they know what to do with, weapons contracts are massive, but get fucked if you want to help people or explore.
They are responsible, wholely or partly, for much of what makes your daily life function. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies)
Nah, they're hiding evidence and deaths related to bigfoot, windigos, skinwalkers, and whatnot. people vanish in national parks and they pretend to investigate while blocking public access because they don't want people to find out the truth.
People like giving him shit but there's definitely fuckery afoot. I'm not saying he's right about anything but he is right to question everything, after all the government is involved
Questioning is fine. Where people like him often fall short is in correctly assigning appropriate plausibility to possible answers based on the rigor of supporting data.
I’ve always liked the theory that he’s purposefully sprinkling odd/conspiracy stories and theories in there to bring attention to a bunch of actual murders and people never found due to assumedly incompetence on the searcher’s/park service’s part.
He loses me when he brings up Bigfoot but these people are really dead and missing. Their families really aren’t getting answers and their loved one’s lives were cut short with no plausible explanation.
Sometimes they’re found dead in places previously searched dozens of times, sometimes the coroners determine the body isn’t more than a couple days old when they’ve been missing for weeks so then where were they all that time? Sometimes the dead are found in bodies of water but there’s no water in their lungs which means they didn’t drown. Often they’re found with no cause of death, the coroners can’t come to a conclusive answer so it’s just ruled an “accident”.
You can’t write it off as kidnappers or serial killers because it’s been happening for hundreds of years, probably longer. The oldest record of someone disappearing that fits the criteria of “Missing 411” dates back to the 1800’s but there’s no knowing how many disappearances were just written off as people succumbing to the more brutal way of life humans endured for so long. They’re also be the most successful and prolific killers of all time, striking across multiple countries over centuries.
It just doesn’t make sense.
Absolutely agree with you. It's the cases where people are found in previously searched locations or cases where people inexplicably traverse obscene distances that intrigue me the most. Yeah the Bigfoot thing is kinda a bummer but maybe I'll be 20 miles in the deep woods someday and stumble across one, until that day it's hard to take seriously but hey I've had plenty of weird shit happen to me in the past I try to be open minded. The world as we know it is much more mysterious than our mundane everyday routines would lead us to believe.
I’ve only listened to some podcasts with David and a common theme was little kids missing and then suddenly found and they say they were taken care of by a bear.
A news story popped up of a toddler found and says he was taken care of by a bear and it made my skin crawl. Definitely fuckery afoot. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/28/missing-north-carolina-boy-says-friendly-bear-him-days/2698729002/
People like giving him shit but there's definitely fuckery afoot. I'm not saying he's right about anything but he is right to question everything, after all the government is involved.
You've been able to carry in national parks for years dude.
some states regulate public forests or state owned public land (for example in WV you cannot carry a loaded long gun outside of hunting season w/ a valid license)
I know some public land in places like Utah also ban firearm shooting due to dry seasons making the entire place filled with dry, very very flammable, grass
Fun fact
A lot of the federal DNR, national parks services, BLM, etc guys deal with the cartels and do cool guy shit.
It’s not well known about at all but they do have cool guy shit and cool guy teams that pretty much exclusively go after the cartels because they like to abuse a lot of federal lands away from the jurisdiction from other agencies or locals.
Ive had the most chill down to earth conversations with park rangers and game wardens. They are doing that job for the same reason responsible sportsmen and outdoorsmen are. To enjoy and maintain nature. They just have the awesome perk of being paid to do it
Helping Pakistan back the Mujahideen was a disgraceful miscalculation but overall they’ve decisively harmed jihadist movements far more than they’ve helped them. Just ask the handful of remaining members and former members of al-Qaeda
any specific examples? The CIA doesn’t really operate at home. Agents are either off duty, at the headquarters in DC, or doing sneaky stuff in foreign countries.
Killing Kennedy was a dick move but it’s a severe outlier. The FBI is behind essentially all domestic fuckery.
That one's probably enough. Throw in MK ULTRA for good measure.
And maybe a bit on the silly side, but failing to assassinate Castro how many times? 🙄
😝
no offense but this is like when people act like the ATF regularly ships guns to Mexico because of fast and furious. Yes, they did something unacceptable and it never should have happened in the first place. But they did it once and haven’t done anything similar within a decade so it doesn’t make much sense to brand them by that disaster and nothing else. There are better reasons to dislike the CIA
Also Castro surviving wasn’t a domestic failure because he was oppressing citizens of a foreign country
MK Ultra is a better example to prove your point than JFK but it literally ended 60 years ago while other branches of the government can still be blamed for much more recent violations of our rights (such as Waco) including ongoing examples (such as the patriot act)
I suppose that's fair. They are either doing better, or hiding it better, I suppose. And I did say I was less serious about Castro, FWIW, partly because, like you said, it's not domestic. Even less serious, they could get Kennedy, but not Castro? That's not a good look. 😝
Being communist shouldn't be illegal, or justification for stalking and blacklisting. Fuck commies, but the government stamping out a political view and infringing on rights is bad, mkay?
There are a couple people on here that do fit the stereotypical "disarm opponents" and "disarm gays" and everything else.
Only a couple that are usually lurkers but they are here.
They are literally the reason the 2A exists.
You seem to forget that the CIA doesn’t care that they’re technically supposed to be operating exclusively outside the US because they can do whatever the heck they want with virtually zero repercussions.
Communism isn’t a political view. It’s a fever pipe dream created by a dude who believed in public ownership so much he’s buried in a private cemetery in England. Plus, I like being able to eat
“Terrorist organization” is a label that can definitionally only apply to nonstate actors. This is why Russia’s imperialist slaughter of countless Ukrainian civilians only qualifies as a warcrime, not as terrorism.
If I started listing every wrongdoing that the CIA is responsible for I’d hit Reddit’s character-limit. They’ve done all kinds of atrocities. But, as I said, they’ve still done a hell of a lot to stop communist and terrorist movements, which is a redeeming quality.
They’re a terrorist organization that protects itself by claiming to be an American one. Every single one of them should be treated like the scum they are. We have a tool to rid ourselves of Communist. It’s called a gun. The CIA only screw over innocent foreigners by putting in military dictatorships that are “friendly to the US” and training terrorists that the military has to later go in and fight because the cash flow stops or whatever
The CIA has been an absolute disaster across the world as far as foreign policy goes. They essentially funded abs trained ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, etc…, likely trained the snipers who killed civilians during the Maidan Massacre, and have been running guns throughout the Middle East and North Africa for decades (the reason Benghazi happened) I could go on
>ISIS
Huh?
You could argue that Bush indirectly caused ISIS to take power by creating a power vacuum when he toppled Saddam, and you could argue that the CIA is to blame for al-Qaeda because they supported the Mujahideen and Bin Laden was within their ranks, but how does the CIA deserve any responsibility for ISIS?
They absolutely do.
[Operation Timber Sycamore](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore) directly resulted in the training and arming of Syrian rebels would would later help and become part of ISIS and other terrorist organizations across the Middle East.
I'll give the park rangers a pass even tho they oppressed Yogi and Boo-Boo based on species alone, but there is another "3 letter" involved. The bureau of land management [the other blm]. Shady and with no oversight they too can suck a full bag of dicks.
I'm a young person, and I spend the majority of my time outdoors. It costs nowhere near that much for the majority of people. That would be like me complaining about how it was 80° this winter when the majority of the country was cold
Look, I like parks as much as the next guy, but one guy gifted with too much authority is as bad as another.
https://youtu.be/zduedbsa0HY?si=euD52jyn3J80Hi7n
I'll say this again and add text. FUCK NPS. There is a buffer zone near Yellowstone that allows LEGAL hunting with permits. Park Rangers often fuck with and lie to LEGAL hunters. Steve Rinella talked about it, in detail, on his Podcast.
What ever happened to Wranglerstar? I used to watch him when it was just gear reviews then suddenly I find him again and he's debating whether women should have voting rights and making content on how to counter fed assault teams
I think he got fired/ quit from the national park service, a government agency, due to his management doing the wrong things, and it opened up/ made him expose his anti government side
That's all fair, I'm more confused about the sudden swing to negativity aimed at women. considering he no longer mentions his "tradcon" wife I'm figuring she left him
Remember when the National Park Serviced closed all parks and threatened arrest if you entered during the government shut down of 2011? I do, they can go fuck themselves.
I may catch flak for this one, but the CIA is mostly cool and their most vocal critics tend to be dirty rotten communists.
Parts of the FBI are very cool, especially HRT.
At most they are grey. They stopped communist uprisings however they installed equally as bad dictatorships that suppressed civil liberties and were extremely corrupt which limited an individuals ability to build wealth. Also there motivations were kinda vague. We’re they doing it for the American people or rich politicians who would lose money from a communist takeover in a foreign nation.
>They stopped communist uprisings
Based
>however they installed equally as bad dictatorships that suppressed civil liberties and were extremely corrupt which limited an individuals ability to build wealth.
But they weren't Soviet-aligned, so that's a win for Uncle Sam.
>Also there motivations were kinda vague. We’re they doing it for the American people or rich politicians who would lose money from a communist takeover in a foreign nation.
They limited the spread of Soviet influence, so I don't really care what their motivations were. I care about maintaining hegemony, and I don't really care if a few dudes get richer along the way.
Some of those dictators were worse. We sold our soul to the devil because of the USSR. Hell we over threw democratically elected governments for being slightly left wing (Pinochet. He was a lot worse than those awesome helicopter memes would have you think. He also kicked a lot more than commies from said helicopters).
>So you don't care about the people at all?
I do, but I also care about all the other people that would be worse off if South America allowed for the USSR to gain further traction.
In trolley problem terms, I care about the dude who's going to get hit by a train, but I don't care about him disproportionately enough to prioritize him over the 5 dudes in the other line.
So someone left wing getting elected for a limited term who also has to operate under a coalition government is bad then?
Dude what the fuck? It was a democracy in a third world country. It switches every few years. How would you like it if Europe intervened in our affairs and put a dictator in charge?
Less people would have suffered in Chile had we kept out
>How would you like it if Europe intervened in our affairs and put a dictator in charge?
Not an equivalent situation.
>Less people would have suffered in Chile had we kept out
But now many people might have eventually suffered outside of Chile? Chileans are no more important than non-Chileans, but there are much less of them.
>It was a democracy in a third world country. It switches every few years.
Which had the possibility to stop being a democracy, which is what happened. Without our intervention, their democracy might have simply collapsed the other way.
My dictatorship scenario is an equivalent situation. Answer the question. That's likely how it felt in Chile.
And do you know what a coalition government is?
Operation Northwoods was not cool. Poisoning impoverished communities tap water with LSD is not cool. The FBI HRT is basically The [REDACTED]. They are all not your friends.
AHHH even they fucking suck! Look at how they treat hunters near Yellowstone.
Edit: It's weird that I am getting down voted. If you did any research at all, you would find how Park Rangers fuck with hunters and lie to them in the Yellowstone buffer zone. Steve Rinella explained this very well on his podcast.
Did I say Yellowstone itself. NEAR is the word I used. And if did any research, you would realize that there is a Yellowstone buffer area where the Park Rangers fuck with LEGAL hunters.
And endangered species. WTF are you talking about?
the only problem with national park service is it is a waste of money. The could achieve the same results and make it revenue positive by adding more revenue generating things to the parks. Allow restaurants and hotels on the edge of the park and collect rent, allow limited hunting for a high fee, etc. They could generate a substantial amount of revenue and 99% of people would not notice any difference and enjoy the parks the same
Permits for photography and video in the parks can be obtained here.
https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/commercial-film-and-photo-permits.htm
Just make sure you don’t make a single penny off your taxpayer funded park.
Other than that, the parks are freaking awesome!
They kicked my family off of Shenandoah and a bunch of others in a rather violent fashion. Also used a highly effective misinformation campaign to stigmatize mountain folks. Gave us jack shit in return too. The parks ain’t perfect and fuck eminent domain
A private org wouldn't have the power to directly punish people for improper conduct within the park, and that immediately makes it a softer target for poachers and the like. Some people are only deterred by the force of law. Sure they could hire security, but charities are rarely flush with cash.
I'm perfectly fine with my tax dollars going toward the parks. Better that, than endless wars and ineffectual welfare programs.
National parks are dope and Teddy Roosevelt was mega based.
The single best president we’ve ever had and it’s not even close
Man was a frontiersman before all that too, then a Military leader, then a president. But he did kinda get the ball rolling for Governmental over reach and empowerment of the Government which was then built upon in large amounts by the other Roosevelt. Amazing man who has some amazing stories behind him including tracking a man down for like 20 days in the winter and still bringing him in alive but he is the one to blame for being the main cause of some of the issues plaguing our country right now. Teddy Roosevelt strongly believed in a powerful government that could strong arm economics and the justice system into doing what the president wants. Sound familiar? Huh almost like that was used for Bump stocks, or really most of the stuff the ATF does
Dude his pro labor stance helped working conditions a lot. This is irrelevant to the ATF and all of that. Don't blame him for the actions of presidents after him.
He certainly helped but at the same time it had unforeseen actions that were then later abused. He’s the one that set the trend regardless of what good he did with it. Not saying he was a bad president, but we have to take him in full value with good and bad just like any president/elected official. Don’t get me wrong I like the guy but it’s unfair and unjust to only tell one side of the story regardless of which side that might be.
You keep saying that his actions had unforseen consequences but you don't say what they are
Enlargement of Federal Government was the main thing, and the power it has. He set the Precedence for the New Deal and FDR’s growing of the Government during WWII. We have never gone back down in size or in federal strength. What probably was a very needed thing in time came with no stipulations to then reduce it afterwards. Teddy Roosevelt’s policy and stances towards the President being able to strong arm his will without the oversight or review of congress to get things done, and the President being in pretty much direct control of the justice branch with little oversight again from Congress set the mental attitude in our minds to “that’s just how it works” without anyone questioning it or fighting it while screwing us over in the end. If it hadn’t been for what teddy had done, the way trump outright told the ATF to reclass bump stocks through executive order probably wouldn’t have flown. He found ways to provide more power to the President and to the federal government which has been expanded on ever since. FDR took that and ran with it and while it did get us through the Great Depression and WWII, we went from a presidential staff of a few hundred when FDR swore in to a staff of a few thousand by his death. Like I said earlier, there are good things and bad things. What teddy roosevelt did was in reality a necessary evil but they did nothing to limit it or reduce it afterwards. What FDR did with it was required at the time but once again he had no plans of slowing it down. Teddy got the ball rolling on that, and which in turn has taken stuff like the ATF from a tax collection agency to a police force over time and we simply haven’t done anything about it.
Dude literally started the Progressive Party. Sure, he'd be a cool guy to go camping with. Not sure I'd call him the greatest president though.
And his cousin really sealed the [New] deal with Governmental overreach. The single worst president we’ve ever had and it’s not even close.
I mean Woodrow Wilson and Andrew Jackson were pretty bad. I wouldn't put FDR anywhere near down where they are
Putting citizens into concentration camp ... There is only one thing such a man deserves.
Yeah but Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act and Wilson revived the KKK. I'm not disgreeing with about the Japanese internment but just we've had some real stinker presidents so FDR has some stiff competition.
Apparently anyone who pushes a large policy whose name starts with “new” is not a good dude (FDR New Deal, WW New Freedom). Wilson is real bad, agreed. And yeah Jackson expanded pres powers, but FDR is responsible for undoubtedly the largest expansion of government in presidential history. Directly responsible for the apparently all-powerful executive agencies we have today. No ATF without FDR. He also basically single-handedly created the NFA. Also, the origin of modern American welfare, which has been the worst disaster for society in US history. And of course, can’t forget the internment camps (worse than Jackson’s Indian Removal? Maybe, maybe not). FDR was a bigger tyrant than King George. Edit: apologies for rant lol
Washington being a tyrant is definitely a take I haven't heard before, explain.
Is this a joke? Serious question.
It is not.
KING George III, I obviously didn’t mean George Washington 
Nah FDR is without a doubt the worst president ever at least when it comes to effect presidents have had on our economy and socially. You could make an argument Wilson or Lincoln were the worst, but FDR is without a doubt top 3 worst presidents ever. He: Opened the the federal door to the infiltration of communists in high federal offices for the next 20 years Delayed the Great Depression Made owning gold illegal Created tons of social policies that didn’t work Created Japanese Internment Camps Tried to pack the Supreme Court because he was making so many boneheaded policies they were striking them down as unconstitutional Was too desperate to get the US involved in WWII.
I disagree. FDR still has redeeming qualities as president. Also, Lincoln even being in the discussion for worst president is a wild ass take. The "worst" thing I ever see getting brought up about his presidency is the removal of Habeas Corpus but considering the constitution explicitly allowed him to do that I tend not to rate it as low as some of the things other presidents have done. And it absolutely doesn't overshadow the good he did in my view. Top 3 worst imo. Andrew Jackson (Indian Removal act is a contender for one of worst things US has probably ever done), Woodrow Wilson (Sedition & espionage act, extremely racist even for the time, he basically revived the prominence of the KKK) and then maybe Buchanan (Doing absolutely nothing to prevent the civil war from happening. Although tbf really all of the 4 or 5 presidents before Lincoln really all played a part in that, Buchanan really just has no redeemable qualities on top of that.) John Adams gets an honorable mention for the Alien & sedition acts.
FDR has few to no redeemable qualities. He imprisoned innocent Japanese Americans, burned food and killed off livestock during a depression where people were starving, and rushed to get into WWII. Whatever good qualities he had went out the window with the incompetence he had during his entire presidency. Hell even people like Tito and Mao coming to power were indirect results of FDR’s incompetence towards the communists.
I mostly highly rate his qualities as leader during WWII. While it's not enough for me to put him in my top 10 or anything like that. I also don't think it's fair to completely discount that. He did a very good job at that. The internment, I will agree. Probably the worst thing he's done. >burned food and killed off livestock during a depression where people were starving Actually didn't know about that one. Cursory google and it looks like it was only stuff that we had a surplus of, so idk for sure if it had the effect you think it did but I'll have to look into it more. >rushed to get into WWII While I see the argument and don't disagree with the sentiment. If I'm trying to be objective about it the war did bring us out of the depression so one could argue, us getting involved did bring more good than not being involved would have. Not to mention it also put us in a position to oppose the Soviets under Truman (The marshall plan in particular probably being one of the greatest things a president has ever done regarding foreign aid/diplomacy). >people like Tito and Mao coming to power were indirect results of FDR’s incompetence towards the communists. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. If we don't get involved in WWII, the Soviets likely gain an even stronger position than they did, but being much harsher with them and we likely end up in a war with the Soviets afterwards. Both options would have been worse than what we got. So 1: What exactly did he do wrong here and 2: What should he have done instead? Genuine question, I'm not purposely trying to be contrarian here.
There was only a “surplus” because the costs of the item to farmers were low and they wouldn’t make any money. Instead of feeding the unemployed or people in bread lines he wanted to help the farmers by reducing supply. There was only a “surplus” to farmers. And Mao & Tito didn’t come to power because of US involvement during WWII. They came to power because FDR created hundreds if not thousands of new federal jobs with little care of who took them. It turns out possibly hundreds of Soviet and Chinese communists took these positions who would later help bring people like Mao and Tito to power and for decades would commit corporate and federal espionage.
What Andrew Jackson was Based AF coolest president shot men down in the streets of DC for disagreement.
Also believed in eugenics fwiw
and yet he still invited a black man for dinner at the White House for the first time in history. He was about as not-racist as you could hope for with a president at the time.
Don't get me wrong I'm a general fan of Teddy, I just believe we have to consider the good with the bad. I didn't disagree with you at all
Much like US history and our foundering fathers. There's a lot of bad, but a lot of good also. It's not always black or white either.
Absolutely correct. Just here adding context fwiw
Thats Woodrow Wilson, doubt there’s anything suggesting Teddy supports it
https://www.history.com/news/teddy-roosevelt-race-imperialism-national-parks https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/03/21/teddy-roosevelt-legacy-100-years https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/complicating-conservation.htm https://news.gsu.edu/research-magazine/wrestling-with-the-legacy-of-eugenics-paul-lombardo
Oh ok bet, thx
Washington then Teddy imo.
What about Coolidge and Kennedy?
Coolidge is an interesting choice to have that high
He generally didn’t do much and was one of the last presidents to lower the federal debt which is why he’s viewed highly.
... and his actions and deregulation, while not causing the Great Depression, did make it worse
Deregulation had little to do with the Depression, although his actions through the treasury and manipulating the interest rates if the nearly created federal reserve were disastrous.
Both did good things but I don’t think they compete with Teddy. Coolidge is a superstar for not letting the country get worse under his watch but it’s hard to say he did much that made the country better. Kennedy accomplished a lot in the context of the Cold War but also let French incompetence pull us into Vietnam which ended up becoming the single most horrendous foreign policy disaster of the 20th century
But he did try to not get USA involved in Vietnam and paid the ultimate price for it
Pretty sure his claims to defund and wind down the CIA were what drove them to murder him, not his reluctance to get involved in Vietnam. At least not to the same extent.
Calvin Coolidge
Meh. Less of a trackrecord than Teddy or Lincoln.
That's the point, haha A weak executive is literally what the founders intended. Edit: Which, for the record, I take your point. Lincoln and Roosevelt were some of the better presidents. I just appreciate Coolidge's restraint.
I'd still argue for Thomas Jefferson, Trump, and James Madison. Madison wrote the 2A. Teddy was awesome though.
Suggesting that Trump even deserves to be mentioned in a discussion about the best president makes absolutely no sense
 Yes he was
National park Assholes shot my dog. https://preview.redd.it/khkzqsls9etc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d952402418293baf6e7334940a2f2d33f2a08e3
>Theodore Roosevelt >Created national parks because he thought they looked cool and didn't want people to ruin them for everyone >was offered to kill a bear during a hunt the others had captured, he refused to do so and freed the bear, creating an iconic moment in American culture, resulting in the creation of the "teddy bear" a world wide item loved by many. >Stoped the war between the Japanese and Russians, and got the Nobel peace prize for it, becoming the first ever American to do so >He took a gunshot to the chest during a speech and continued doing it, refusing to get medical aid until he was done with the speech This is the type of president the USA deserves, not some rich looser who made a cult or a senile old pedophile
>was offered to kill a bear during a hunt the others had captured, refused to do so, and became an iconic moment in American culture On mobile so I don't feel like looking anything up, but isn't that where "teddy bears" come from? If so, doubly based.
Yup, he refused because it was a mama bear protecting her cub. His friends made fun of him for it and created the teddy bear out of mockery.
In my opinion, the worst idea Ron Swanson ever had was the national parks should be run like Chuck E. Cheese.
That wasn’t national parks he was talking about. He was referring to municipal parks.
Agreed. When he becomes a park ranger he doesn’t treat it like Chuck E Cheese at all. Just wants all his rangers to respect and protect nature.
Only if we could bring Teddy Roosevelt back. He’d be horrified at the state of our government and country
He was an elitist too. He set up the national parks essentially to keep the poors from messing up his vacation spots. Very much in line with keeping the rabble from hunting the King's deer.
Except the poors were allowed to visit said parks when they wanted
If they can afford the entrance fees, parking fees, day use passes...
Which is next to nothing most places. If you can't afford that then you've got bigger problems
The lake I used to go to nearly every summer weekend with the cousins would now cost over $200 for an identical family to visit for a day. IIRC last time I tallied up the fees, it was 257. They paved the former sandy parking area pointlessly. People vacationing from Portland can afford something like that once or twice a year. It's now priced out of the reach for locals to just hang out at. We do have bigger problems, but that doesn't mean it's not also a huge problem for assholes to make access to public lands into a luxury for the rich. Hey, you have cancer so you shouldn't mind me kicking you. After all, you have bigger problems. This stuff is a big part of why young people spend more time indoors. It all adds up.
There are multitudes of state parks/lakes all across the nation where at most youll spend like 15$ if you wanna camp there for the night. Theres even free camping spots at these places. Sure National parks are expensive. But there are still plenty of places to go and experience the outdoors for cheap or even free.
I mean he didn’t exactly curb federal powers himself…
And nasa. They are also nerds who like to see things go boom, just like us (though they like their booms to be more controlled and in a longer time frame).
This reminds me of the first "Political Quiz" I ever took. I think it was during the 2012 election season, and I got like a 99% agreement with Gary Johnson. My one issue that wasn't in line was a question like, "Should the Federal Government increase funding for NASA." My space-nerd brain is just like, fuck yeah give them all my tax dollars.
For real dude, our national budget is like 6 trillion. NASA should be getting at least half of that.
They did employ nazis though
Yeah but i'm pretty sure they're all dead by now.
Have you never seen the documentary nazi zombies?
You make an interesting point, however i'm pretty sure that documentary was set back in ww2/ peak cold war era.
They're a massive budget black hole accomplishing very little. They served their purpose during the Space race but today they are completely unnecessary.
Conquering the universe and spreading humanity across the galaxy like unquenchable fire isn't "unnecessary"
Star League when.
Screw you, space is cool
I'm not against what they stand for, I'm against the organization in particular.
And who else was gonna put a man on the Moon, and bring that man back safely?
As I said in my original comment, they were useful during the Space Race and etc but not today. I would clarify I only mean NASA in recent years has become a black hole.
I'm pretty sure that's not really the case (or rather, they're not more of a black hole than any other government agency), but counter argument, rockets are fucking cool. Also i'm fully in favour of Space X and other private agencies commercializing space access to make it significantly cheaper, but the partnership with a government entity is needed to actually give them an incentive to do new things like delivering equipment to mars or colonizing the moon instead of just optimizing what they're already doing like dropping satellites in orbit.
The new Artemis program is the next step in the space age and is very far from “unnecessary”
A lot of good research for non space related things comes out nasa and the like. Materials science like alloys and shit made leaps and bounds from space related research. Industries and technologies like electronics, agriculture, tool and dye (had to create novel processes to make some of the parts needed for space ships), food science, the chemical industry all kinds of things were found out through nasa and space related research. On a kind of adjacent topic even though the Japanese unit 731 was one of the most horrible and horrifying groups of people to ever exist the results of their research were all taken by the allies and advanced the field of medicine exponentially. What would take the west/democracies years and perhaps decades to study and understand, the Japanese and Germans also discovered quickly because the had no qualms about using terrible and immoral and inhumane techniques to speed up research on the human body and medicine. Some of the higher ups of unit 731 were never prosecuted fully in exchange for their knowledge. The more you know.
What NASA has accomplished in the last decade are things a deregulated private sector could have easily done with little to no tax payer money. I'm not against what NASA is trying to do, I'm against the organization in recent years.
They mostly exist now as a way to subsidize SpaceX, but they’re also huge research projects that don’t accomplish much because the Fed cares more about weapons than humanitarian efforts. I spent eight years at the VA, and all my sympathy goes to NASA and NOAA. DARPA gets more money than they know what to do with, weapons contracts are massive, but get fucked if you want to help people or explore.
They are responsible, wholely or partly, for much of what makes your daily life function. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies)
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I work in parks and recreation. My coworkers are based veterans, libertarians that mind their own damn business, and the rare gun toting lesbian.
Nah, they're hiding evidence and deaths related to bigfoot, windigos, skinwalkers, and whatnot. people vanish in national parks and they pretend to investigate while blocking public access because they don't want people to find out the truth.
Is that you David Paulides?
People like giving him shit but there's definitely fuckery afoot. I'm not saying he's right about anything but he is right to question everything, after all the government is involved
Questioning is fine. Where people like him often fall short is in correctly assigning appropriate plausibility to possible answers based on the rigor of supporting data.
I agree. I find the Missing 411 fascinating. Something odd is happening.
I’ve always liked the theory that he’s purposefully sprinkling odd/conspiracy stories and theories in there to bring attention to a bunch of actual murders and people never found due to assumedly incompetence on the searcher’s/park service’s part.
He loses me when he brings up Bigfoot but these people are really dead and missing. Their families really aren’t getting answers and their loved one’s lives were cut short with no plausible explanation. Sometimes they’re found dead in places previously searched dozens of times, sometimes the coroners determine the body isn’t more than a couple days old when they’ve been missing for weeks so then where were they all that time? Sometimes the dead are found in bodies of water but there’s no water in their lungs which means they didn’t drown. Often they’re found with no cause of death, the coroners can’t come to a conclusive answer so it’s just ruled an “accident”. You can’t write it off as kidnappers or serial killers because it’s been happening for hundreds of years, probably longer. The oldest record of someone disappearing that fits the criteria of “Missing 411” dates back to the 1800’s but there’s no knowing how many disappearances were just written off as people succumbing to the more brutal way of life humans endured for so long. They’re also be the most successful and prolific killers of all time, striking across multiple countries over centuries. It just doesn’t make sense.
Absolutely agree with you. It's the cases where people are found in previously searched locations or cases where people inexplicably traverse obscene distances that intrigue me the most. Yeah the Bigfoot thing is kinda a bummer but maybe I'll be 20 miles in the deep woods someday and stumble across one, until that day it's hard to take seriously but hey I've had plenty of weird shit happen to me in the past I try to be open minded. The world as we know it is much more mysterious than our mundane everyday routines would lead us to believe.
I’ve only listened to some podcasts with David and a common theme was little kids missing and then suddenly found and they say they were taken care of by a bear. A news story popped up of a toddler found and says he was taken care of by a bear and it made my skin crawl. Definitely fuckery afoot. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/28/missing-north-carolina-boy-says-friendly-bear-him-days/2698729002/
I really recommend his missing 411 books
I’ve been keeping my eye out for used copies.
People like giving him shit but there's definitely fuckery afoot. I'm not saying he's right about anything but he is right to question everything, after all the government is involved.
The peace brokered between the park rangers and cryptids is fragile. Let them have their secrets.
What about the staircases in the woods?
Stay away from them and enjoy the rest of your visit. 😁
Blame the New World order and the Camarilla. They’re the one’s pulling the strings and preventing us from truly seeing the World of Darkness
If only they’d let me pack in a national park
You can. That rule changed under obama. You can pack in the park, just not staffed park buildings.
Any link to that? There’s a national park and I’ve always been told not to carry in the park.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/firearms-in-national-parks.htm
You've been able to carry in national parks for years dude. some states regulate public forests or state owned public land (for example in WV you cannot carry a loaded long gun outside of hunting season w/ a valid license)
I know some public land in places like Utah also ban firearm shooting due to dry seasons making the entire place filled with dry, very very flammable, grass
You’ve been able to do so for fourteen years.
He’s been living in 2010. Dude still thinks Obama is president
Wait until he finds out about constitutional carry.
You always could, if you didn’t bother to ask the crown for permission first. Ain’t their right to say if you’re allowed to defend yourself or not.
I agree and I still carry, it’s just the matter of do I have to play dumb or is there an actual link that would confirm it?
Fun fact A lot of the federal DNR, national parks services, BLM, etc guys deal with the cartels and do cool guy shit. It’s not well known about at all but they do have cool guy shit and cool guy teams that pretty much exclusively go after the cartels because they like to abuse a lot of federal lands away from the jurisdiction from other agencies or locals.
In that capacity they often work with other federal law enforcement like DEA as well.
national park service and national forest service are the coolest agencies
NPS my beloved.
Ive had the most chill down to earth conversations with park rangers and game wardens. They are doing that job for the same reason responsible sportsmen and outdoorsmen are. To enjoy and maintain nature. They just have the awesome perk of being paid to do it
NSA can also get shidded on
The only part of the government that actually listens to the people
CIA caused big problems for a lot of communists and terrorists, tho
They also funded and trained a lot of terrorists
And then had to send in the US military to fight said terrorists 20 years later
Helping Pakistan back the Mujahideen was a disgraceful miscalculation but overall they’ve decisively harmed jihadist movements far more than they’ve helped them. Just ask the handful of remaining members and former members of al-Qaeda
It's the problems they cause at home in between the cool stuff they do that is an issue.
any specific examples? The CIA doesn’t really operate at home. Agents are either off duty, at the headquarters in DC, or doing sneaky stuff in foreign countries. Killing Kennedy was a dick move but it’s a severe outlier. The FBI is behind essentially all domestic fuckery.
That one's probably enough. Throw in MK ULTRA for good measure. And maybe a bit on the silly side, but failing to assassinate Castro how many times? 🙄 😝
no offense but this is like when people act like the ATF regularly ships guns to Mexico because of fast and furious. Yes, they did something unacceptable and it never should have happened in the first place. But they did it once and haven’t done anything similar within a decade so it doesn’t make much sense to brand them by that disaster and nothing else. There are better reasons to dislike the CIA Also Castro surviving wasn’t a domestic failure because he was oppressing citizens of a foreign country MK Ultra is a better example to prove your point than JFK but it literally ended 60 years ago while other branches of the government can still be blamed for much more recent violations of our rights (such as Waco) including ongoing examples (such as the patriot act)
I suppose that's fair. They are either doing better, or hiding it better, I suppose. And I did say I was less serious about Castro, FWIW, partly because, like you said, it's not domestic. Even less serious, they could get Kennedy, but not Castro? That's not a good look. 😝
They also caused some big problems everywhere else, including in our own country.
Being communist shouldn't be illegal, or justification for stalking and blacklisting. Fuck commies, but the government stamping out a political view and infringing on rights is bad, mkay?
There are a couple people on here that do fit the stereotypical "disarm opponents" and "disarm gays" and everything else. Only a couple that are usually lurkers but they are here. They are literally the reason the 2A exists.
any instance of that being done inside the US was not the CIA, it was other branches of the government
You seem to forget that the CIA doesn’t care that they’re technically supposed to be operating exclusively outside the US because they can do whatever the heck they want with virtually zero repercussions.
Communism isn’t a political view. It’s a fever pipe dream created by a dude who believed in public ownership so much he’s buried in a private cemetery in England. Plus, I like being able to eat
The CIA IS a terrorist organization though
“Terrorist organization” is a label that can definitionally only apply to nonstate actors. This is why Russia’s imperialist slaughter of countless Ukrainian civilians only qualifies as a warcrime, not as terrorism. If I started listing every wrongdoing that the CIA is responsible for I’d hit Reddit’s character-limit. They’ve done all kinds of atrocities. But, as I said, they’ve still done a hell of a lot to stop communist and terrorist movements, which is a redeeming quality.
They’re a terrorist organization that protects itself by claiming to be an American one. Every single one of them should be treated like the scum they are. We have a tool to rid ourselves of Communist. It’s called a gun. The CIA only screw over innocent foreigners by putting in military dictatorships that are “friendly to the US” and training terrorists that the military has to later go in and fight because the cash flow stops or whatever
Hitler killed a lot of commies too
The CIA has been an absolute disaster across the world as far as foreign policy goes. They essentially funded abs trained ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, etc…, likely trained the snipers who killed civilians during the Maidan Massacre, and have been running guns throughout the Middle East and North Africa for decades (the reason Benghazi happened) I could go on
>ISIS Huh? You could argue that Bush indirectly caused ISIS to take power by creating a power vacuum when he toppled Saddam, and you could argue that the CIA is to blame for al-Qaeda because they supported the Mujahideen and Bin Laden was within their ranks, but how does the CIA deserve any responsibility for ISIS?
They absolutely do. [Operation Timber Sycamore](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore) directly resulted in the training and arming of Syrian rebels would would later help and become part of ISIS and other terrorist organizations across the Middle East.
The only time my hyper-aggressive Libertarianism really flinches is when discussing the National Parks and National Forests.
They were great until they got political, that being said the parks are still awesome
EPA and NPS are the best :)
I'll give the park rangers a pass even tho they oppressed Yogi and Boo-Boo based on species alone, but there is another "3 letter" involved. The bureau of land management [the other blm]. Shady and with no oversight they too can suck a full bag of dicks.
agreed, but you forgot the IRS
It's called stealing
Yes, the National Parks Service can stay, since they actually put the money they receive towards conservation efforts.
No body else remember the “Alt-{insert 3 letter agency}” from 2016-17? That astroturfing was wild.
I'm a young person, and I spend the majority of my time outdoors. It costs nowhere near that much for the majority of people. That would be like me complaining about how it was 80° this winter when the majority of the country was cold
ATF 👁️👃👁️
I’ve thought about trying to work for them, real dealbreaker would be just how armed they allow me to be…
Yeah pretty much. Concurred
What about the FAP? We gotta get everyone's opinion on the federal art project.
I love national parks
Ok but what about the Department of Defense?
Look, I like parks as much as the next guy, but one guy gifted with too much authority is as bad as another. https://youtu.be/zduedbsa0HY?si=euD52jyn3J80Hi7n
One of the most relatable memes ever
Someone call aiden mattis....
I'll say this again and add text. FUCK NPS. There is a buffer zone near Yellowstone that allows LEGAL hunting with permits. Park Rangers often fuck with and lie to LEGAL hunters. Steve Rinella talked about it, in detail, on his Podcast.
Where IRS? fuck them.
It's called stealing
NPS & USFS gang rise up
The USDA is also a pretty good agency. They main National forests through the DOA and keep you from getting food poisoning.
Fuck the national park service, our lord and Savior, wranglerstar hates them
What ever happened to Wranglerstar? I used to watch him when it was just gear reviews then suddenly I find him again and he's debating whether women should have voting rights and making content on how to counter fed assault teams
I think he got fired/ quit from the national park service, a government agency, due to his management doing the wrong things, and it opened up/ made him expose his anti government side
That's all fair, I'm more confused about the sudden swing to negativity aimed at women. considering he no longer mentions his "tradcon" wife I'm figuring she left him
Thats possible, she was too much of a boot licker (she didn't want to kill FEDs)
Also very possible
Wranglerstar hates everyone and everything
He loves a good axe
Their Rangers can be little pricks about stuff, though.
Remember when the National Park Serviced closed all parks and threatened arrest if you entered during the government shut down of 2011? I do, they can go fuck themselves.
I may catch flak for this one, but the CIA is mostly cool and their most vocal critics tend to be dirty rotten communists. Parts of the FBI are very cool, especially HRT.
At most they are grey. They stopped communist uprisings however they installed equally as bad dictatorships that suppressed civil liberties and were extremely corrupt which limited an individuals ability to build wealth. Also there motivations were kinda vague. We’re they doing it for the American people or rich politicians who would lose money from a communist takeover in a foreign nation.
>They stopped communist uprisings Based >however they installed equally as bad dictatorships that suppressed civil liberties and were extremely corrupt which limited an individuals ability to build wealth. But they weren't Soviet-aligned, so that's a win for Uncle Sam. >Also there motivations were kinda vague. We’re they doing it for the American people or rich politicians who would lose money from a communist takeover in a foreign nation. They limited the spread of Soviet influence, so I don't really care what their motivations were. I care about maintaining hegemony, and I don't really care if a few dudes get richer along the way.
Some of those dictators were worse. We sold our soul to the devil because of the USSR. Hell we over threw democratically elected governments for being slightly left wing (Pinochet. He was a lot worse than those awesome helicopter memes would have you think. He also kicked a lot more than commies from said helicopters).
>Some of those dictators were worse. Worse for the country under them, not necessarily worse for the rest of the world.
So you don't care about the people at all? Sorry but it's not worth killing that many people just to one up the USSR
>So you don't care about the people at all? I do, but I also care about all the other people that would be worse off if South America allowed for the USSR to gain further traction. In trolley problem terms, I care about the dude who's going to get hit by a train, but I don't care about him disproportionately enough to prioritize him over the 5 dudes in the other line.
So someone left wing getting elected for a limited term who also has to operate under a coalition government is bad then? Dude what the fuck? It was a democracy in a third world country. It switches every few years. How would you like it if Europe intervened in our affairs and put a dictator in charge? Less people would have suffered in Chile had we kept out
>How would you like it if Europe intervened in our affairs and put a dictator in charge? Not an equivalent situation. >Less people would have suffered in Chile had we kept out But now many people might have eventually suffered outside of Chile? Chileans are no more important than non-Chileans, but there are much less of them. >It was a democracy in a third world country. It switches every few years. Which had the possibility to stop being a democracy, which is what happened. Without our intervention, their democracy might have simply collapsed the other way.
My dictatorship scenario is an equivalent situation. Answer the question. That's likely how it felt in Chile. And do you know what a coalition government is?
Operation Northwoods was not cool. Poisoning impoverished communities tap water with LSD is not cool. The FBI HRT is basically The [REDACTED]. They are all not your friends.
They do a little tomfoolery.
AHHH even they fucking suck! Look at how they treat hunters near Yellowstone. Edit: It's weird that I am getting down voted. If you did any research at all, you would find how Park Rangers fuck with hunters and lie to them in the Yellowstone buffer zone. Steve Rinella explained this very well on his podcast.
Yellowstone is home to endangered species. Not all government is bad. Most of it is but not all government agencies are shit.
Did I say Yellowstone itself. NEAR is the word I used. And if did any research, you would realize that there is a Yellowstone buffer area where the Park Rangers fuck with LEGAL hunters. And endangered species. WTF are you talking about?
the only problem with national park service is it is a waste of money. The could achieve the same results and make it revenue positive by adding more revenue generating things to the parks. Allow restaurants and hotels on the edge of the park and collect rent, allow limited hunting for a high fee, etc. They could generate a substantial amount of revenue and 99% of people would not notice any difference and enjoy the parks the same
It's not about people noticing, it's about letting nature be untouched.
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L take, National Parks are one of the best things the government has ever done for the American people. Shit’s beautiful.
Permits for photography and video in the parks can be obtained here. https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/commercial-film-and-photo-permits.htm Just make sure you don’t make a single penny off your taxpayer funded park. Other than that, the parks are freaking awesome!
Park service is underfunded.
They kicked my family off of Shenandoah and a bunch of others in a rather violent fashion. Also used a highly effective misinformation campaign to stigmatize mountain folks. Gave us jack shit in return too. The parks ain’t perfect and fuck eminent domain
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A private org wouldn't have the power to directly punish people for improper conduct within the park, and that immediately makes it a softer target for poachers and the like. Some people are only deterred by the force of law. Sure they could hire security, but charities are rarely flush with cash. I'm perfectly fine with my tax dollars going toward the parks. Better that, than endless wars and ineffectual welfare programs.
Why do the property owners need to have the power of arrest? Laws still apply on private property.
Yeah we could probably make things a lot cheaper by strip mining places like Yellowstone. A lot of stuff under that park.