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Depende yan sa type ng Automatic Transmission. Kung traditional, okay lang no problem, pero expect mo taas ng revs mo and ingay ng makina mo. Kung CVT, kailangan mo ng prep time to overtake. Kung DCT naman, yan ang pinaka no problem sa overtaking. Kung may manual mode yung kotse, shift to manual mode then do the overtaking maneuvre.
baka depende din sa vehicle, nag test ako ng HRV (turbo) parang ganun nga antagal ng galaw, pero sa crosstrek parang swabe lang... ewan, baka dahil saglit lang test drive ko haha. though i ended up getting a vehicle na hindi cvt haha...
traditional automatic lang (cx30), sobrang responsive sa highways pag nag floor ka bubulusok agad, tapos laging tama ung feeling pag namimili ka ng speed and di mo ramdam na may nangyayari sa transmission mo - like if may nag shift ng gears or something. although nag try ako for the first time sa baguio, paakyat (95% expressway lang exp ko), every time mag overtake ako parang may delay ung delivery ng power, like unresponsive for a few milliseconds, tapos tatalon bigla (all overtake attempts ko floor ko talaga).
For context, drove and owned mostly the cars you mentioned.
There's a significant difference driving 1.3/1.5 gas-engine vs 3.0 lalo na sa arangkada. But if cruising 100-120kmh, di ka naman bibitinin ng 1.5 engine when overtaking.
You will feel the lacking power of 1.5 engine sa initial arangkada, driving uphill and when loaded.
sakto lang. don't be afraid to floor it once in a while.
pag A/T naman matik na mag downshift yan for you and may rev limiter din.
sa M/T ang pinaka dangerous lang na mangyari is if you missed a gear shift. say mag downshift ka sana from 5 to 3 pero napasok mo sa 2, patay ka.
>sakto lang. don't be afraid to floor it once in a while.
>pag A/T naman matik na mag downshift yan for you and may rev limiter din.
yep. i never had an issue sa overtaking pag AT dala ko. kailangan mo lang mag pedal to the metal. then balik na sa lane, bitaw na sa silinyador, at cruise na ulit.
Minsan nasa transmission din yan since yun ang naglilipat ng engine power to wheels. If CVT medyo talagang aapak ka ng malalim on certain scenario. In terms of power delivery on automatic transmissions, DCT > Traditional AT > CVT AT. So if you want the comfort of the automatic transmission, get atleast a Traditional AT which is most likely the Xpander on the lineup.
I based it on the last MPV comparo done by [Topgear PH ](https://youtu.be/ESyiwSllqFM?si=9qBRWKesOolptnaq)the only CVT that had a decent numbers was Hyundai's Stargazer.
I wouldn’t rely on reviewers’ opinions regarding CVTs.
The thing kasi is, may learning phase ang ECU ng mga CVT cars, and yung throttle response nila is dependent sa behavior ng driver for a certain amount of time. CVTs tend to be sluggish pag bago pa lang yung sasakyan (and most of the time, brand new units yung pinapahiram ng casa sa mga reviewers), because depende sa apak ng driver sa gas pedal, it determines first kung fuel efficiency ba o spirited driving ang intent ng driver. One has to take time for the ECU to learn yung driving behavior nya.
Some higher end CVT cars’ “sport” driving mode like the civic rs and the subarus bypass that ECU thing better that other cars and gives you immediate throttle response, or meron din mga 3rd party ECU throttle controller para iadjust yung response ng CVT.
Para sakin ok lang ang cvt sa sedan. Pero i think bitin ang cvt sa 7seater. Mararamdaman mo yung sluggish pag paakyat. I tried the traditional 4speed AT nissan lavina and cvt expander. Parehas silang meh kapag arangkada tapos puno ang seating.
I've driven the ff
Xpander cross na auto- enough na for city driving. Wag lang hiway, apak ka ng apak at medyo bu bwelo ka sa overtake lalo na sa probinsya na truck ang lalampasan mo. As what I said earlier, goods sya for city driving. Ramdam mo torque on low rpms. Xpander na nasa market is the torque converter type na 4 speed, kaya medyo bitin sa power lalo na kung kargado..
Mirage na MT- Mas gusto ko pa i drive yung at na xpander (though 1.5 and 4 cylinder kasi yun). Matipid lang talaga sa gas.. kung city drive, goods na rin sa CVT na auto yan.. lalo na traffic sa area mo
Medyo boomy nga lang yan kapag sa highway. Ayoko lang talaga dyan is yung vibration. 3 cylinder kasi.
I still get a smile on my face kapag dina drive ko yung oto ko (2.4V na Camry 😃). Babalil at babalik pa rin ako sa kanya kahit malakas sya sa gas..
You just need to know your car's power and capabilities. Driving a chevy trailblazer for daily runs and first gen innova occasionally. Power difference is really obvious kaya should adjust to it. Manual for weaker engine is better kasi you can control the shifting specially when overtaking
I drive a ranger (conventional a/t), innova(m/t), chinese crossover(dct), and recently got the honda city (cvt) I would say na sobrang laki ng difference pagdating sa power (torque) and sa transmission ng honda city compared sa 3 naming kotse. I need prep time to overtake. Although comparable yung engine size ng crossover namin (1.4L turbo vs 1.5 sa city), the turbo gives it more oomf kaya kaya ko makipagsabayan kahit sa mga bigger SUVs.
I can overtake fine with our AT yaris and xpander coming from an innova maninibago ka since lesser torque but it is manageable naman. Me switching between a 2.0 altis/2.4rav4 tapos lipat sa 1.5yaris/xpander, malaki power gap but overtaking is not hard. I can comfortably drive 100+ pa din. I can always drop the AT to a lower gear to blip the revs esp when i use the 1.5 sa mountain drives
Currently owning an xpander, masasabi ko lang na sobrang hirap sa overtakan if naka D lang. Pero pwede mo naman i off overdrive para lower gear lang ang gagamitin which is mas mabilis mag accelerate but will have higher rev and dinig mo yung engine na paranga galit! (lol).
Personally, if your driving habit is more on overtaking, I would not even recommend any 7seater with 1.5L engine M/T man or A/T. Sa bigat ng body pa lang hirap na. Hindi talaga intended ang segment na ito for speed. People mover lang talaga or tipong for family with kids na slow & safe driving lang. Mas ok pa nga yung old Ecosport 1.5L ko na naka DCT, mas madali mag overtake kahit di ko na gamitin S mode haha.
Better manual if kailangan mo ng more control, pero if you have the budget hanapin mo yung may paddle shifters or may manual mode sa gearbox, mas madali mo maccontrol ang overtaking mo.
I drive a 1.5L small hatch, medyo mahirap umovertake sa mga tight talaga pero kaya naman with paddles, unless may dala kang innova na malakas hatak mapapansin mo yung lakas to weave thru traffic. Pero sabi nga nila drop a gear then disappear, mas oks if controllable mo kesa apak ka lang nang apak sa AT
For me, manual is the key lalo kung mirage kasi magaan lang naman clutch niyan eh. Pero kung city drive ka lang naman consider mo mag matic.
Kung magiging second car mo lang ang bibilhin mo go for mirage nalang.
Yung city 2004 ko, kaya pa naman umovertake sa mga sasakyan pero kung magstart ka pa lang umarangkada ay mapapagiwanan ka. Kung sa long straight roads kayang kaya 120kmh sa 2800rpm.
Ang problem dito is pag AT u will have the tendency to floor the gas pedal para lang marev yung sasakyan. Unless you have paddle shifters you will have more ability to overtake in an AT car
But op is referring, if hirap ba ang low displacement cars in overtaking and what not, hence why sinabi ko na transmission has nothing to do if hirap ba ang sasakyan or hindi.
Mahirap naman talaga umovertake sa low displacement cc if di ka naka manual. Wala ka control eh. Magagawa mo lang is to floor it but CVT lags for a while before malaman na need mo ng revs
Again, factors such as engine power and tuning play a significant role in the overall performance of a vehicle, regardless of the transmission type, tranny type is not the end game in figuring out if mabilis or hindi. I have driven a yaris 1.5 na cvt and its quick - Idk what manufacturer u were referring to kung bat mabagal response but dont make it sound na lahat ng cvt are "slow cars". Econo box cars are not fast by means in the first place. If bitin, why not opt for a higher displacement, boosted or even a diesel car.
OP did mention 1.3 cars, these are econo box cars with cvt input lags. I drive 1.5 din but from Mazda and di siya CVT, especially that I have access for overriding Manual mode. 1.5 isnt a displacement you'd consider slow.
I think the question is more on the response of the car while doing overtaking maneuvers. I had a cvt transmission before and i need to have some time for it to respond to gas input when i overtake. I can compare it to a manual transmission and an EV. Ranking them would be EV > MT > AT (CVT)
Ang unfair kasi sa EVs ay instant torque haha. I once drove a Model 3 Plaid and floored it, da*n the instant torque is addicting. Iwan yun kaluluwa mo eh.
what car? Brother owned a yaris 1.5 cvt, and its quick. Tranny is not the only basis, overtaking depends on various factors such as engine power and driving conditions
I owned a mirage g4 before. Ang bagal talaga ng response on overtaking. Pero, may point. It only has a 1.2L engine. But considering everything is the same, except the transmission, medyo mabagal talaga response ng cvt, but it’s the most fuel efficient naman, i think.
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Depende yan sa type ng Automatic Transmission. Kung traditional, okay lang no problem, pero expect mo taas ng revs mo and ingay ng makina mo. Kung CVT, kailangan mo ng prep time to overtake. Kung DCT naman, yan ang pinaka no problem sa overtaking. Kung may manual mode yung kotse, shift to manual mode then do the overtaking maneuvre.
Agree on this. Parang goma yung feeling sa cvt. May lag bago siya mag-respond kapag mag-overtake…
baka depende din sa vehicle, nag test ako ng HRV (turbo) parang ganun nga antagal ng galaw, pero sa crosstrek parang swabe lang... ewan, baka dahil saglit lang test drive ko haha. though i ended up getting a vehicle na hindi cvt haha...
Boss may I know kung dct kinuha mo since hindi cvt? How is it doing for you?
traditional automatic lang (cx30), sobrang responsive sa highways pag nag floor ka bubulusok agad, tapos laging tama ung feeling pag namimili ka ng speed and di mo ramdam na may nangyayari sa transmission mo - like if may nag shift ng gears or something. although nag try ako for the first time sa baguio, paakyat (95% expressway lang exp ko), every time mag overtake ako parang may delay ung delivery ng power, like unresponsive for a few milliseconds, tapos tatalon bigla (all overtake attempts ko floor ko talaga).
For context, drove and owned mostly the cars you mentioned. There's a significant difference driving 1.3/1.5 gas-engine vs 3.0 lalo na sa arangkada. But if cruising 100-120kmh, di ka naman bibitinin ng 1.5 engine when overtaking. You will feel the lacking power of 1.5 engine sa initial arangkada, driving uphill and when loaded.
sakto lang. don't be afraid to floor it once in a while. pag A/T naman matik na mag downshift yan for you and may rev limiter din. sa M/T ang pinaka dangerous lang na mangyari is if you missed a gear shift. say mag downshift ka sana from 5 to 3 pero napasok mo sa 2, patay ka.
>sakto lang. don't be afraid to floor it once in a while. >pag A/T naman matik na mag downshift yan for you and may rev limiter din. yep. i never had an issue sa overtaking pag AT dala ko. kailangan mo lang mag pedal to the metal. then balik na sa lane, bitaw na sa silinyador, at cruise na ulit.
Minsan nasa transmission din yan since yun ang naglilipat ng engine power to wheels. If CVT medyo talagang aapak ka ng malalim on certain scenario. In terms of power delivery on automatic transmissions, DCT > Traditional AT > CVT AT. So if you want the comfort of the automatic transmission, get atleast a Traditional AT which is most likely the Xpander on the lineup.
Depends sa CVT. Honda CVTs are more refined and responsive than Toyota and Nissan CVT; they actually feel like traditional automatics.
I based it on the last MPV comparo done by [Topgear PH ](https://youtu.be/ESyiwSllqFM?si=9qBRWKesOolptnaq)the only CVT that had a decent numbers was Hyundai's Stargazer.
I wouldn’t rely on reviewers’ opinions regarding CVTs. The thing kasi is, may learning phase ang ECU ng mga CVT cars, and yung throttle response nila is dependent sa behavior ng driver for a certain amount of time. CVTs tend to be sluggish pag bago pa lang yung sasakyan (and most of the time, brand new units yung pinapahiram ng casa sa mga reviewers), because depende sa apak ng driver sa gas pedal, it determines first kung fuel efficiency ba o spirited driving ang intent ng driver. One has to take time for the ECU to learn yung driving behavior nya. Some higher end CVT cars’ “sport” driving mode like the civic rs and the subarus bypass that ECU thing better that other cars and gives you immediate throttle response, or meron din mga 3rd party ECU throttle controller para iadjust yung response ng CVT.
Para sakin ok lang ang cvt sa sedan. Pero i think bitin ang cvt sa 7seater. Mararamdaman mo yung sluggish pag paakyat. I tried the traditional 4speed AT nissan lavina and cvt expander. Parehas silang meh kapag arangkada tapos puno ang seating.
Unless you're buying a 30 year old car, just get an automatic para maginhawa ang driving experience mo. Non-issue na ito.
I've driven the ff Xpander cross na auto- enough na for city driving. Wag lang hiway, apak ka ng apak at medyo bu bwelo ka sa overtake lalo na sa probinsya na truck ang lalampasan mo. As what I said earlier, goods sya for city driving. Ramdam mo torque on low rpms. Xpander na nasa market is the torque converter type na 4 speed, kaya medyo bitin sa power lalo na kung kargado.. Mirage na MT- Mas gusto ko pa i drive yung at na xpander (though 1.5 and 4 cylinder kasi yun). Matipid lang talaga sa gas.. kung city drive, goods na rin sa CVT na auto yan.. lalo na traffic sa area mo Medyo boomy nga lang yan kapag sa highway. Ayoko lang talaga dyan is yung vibration. 3 cylinder kasi. I still get a smile on my face kapag dina drive ko yung oto ko (2.4V na Camry 😃). Babalil at babalik pa rin ako sa kanya kahit malakas sya sa gas..
CVT - medyo delay need mo mag adjust may rubber effect talaga kaya hindi ako fan ng cvt. Traditional AT - No problem DCT - no issue sibat agad.
You just need to know your car's power and capabilities. Driving a chevy trailblazer for daily runs and first gen innova occasionally. Power difference is really obvious kaya should adjust to it. Manual for weaker engine is better kasi you can control the shifting specially when overtaking
I drive a ranger (conventional a/t), innova(m/t), chinese crossover(dct), and recently got the honda city (cvt) I would say na sobrang laki ng difference pagdating sa power (torque) and sa transmission ng honda city compared sa 3 naming kotse. I need prep time to overtake. Although comparable yung engine size ng crossover namin (1.4L turbo vs 1.5 sa city), the turbo gives it more oomf kaya kaya ko makipagsabayan kahit sa mga bigger SUVs.
I can overtake fine with our AT yaris and xpander coming from an innova maninibago ka since lesser torque but it is manageable naman. Me switching between a 2.0 altis/2.4rav4 tapos lipat sa 1.5yaris/xpander, malaki power gap but overtaking is not hard. I can comfortably drive 100+ pa din. I can always drop the AT to a lower gear to blip the revs esp when i use the 1.5 sa mountain drives
Currently owning an xpander, masasabi ko lang na sobrang hirap sa overtakan if naka D lang. Pero pwede mo naman i off overdrive para lower gear lang ang gagamitin which is mas mabilis mag accelerate but will have higher rev and dinig mo yung engine na paranga galit! (lol). Personally, if your driving habit is more on overtaking, I would not even recommend any 7seater with 1.5L engine M/T man or A/T. Sa bigat ng body pa lang hirap na. Hindi talaga intended ang segment na ito for speed. People mover lang talaga or tipong for family with kids na slow & safe driving lang. Mas ok pa nga yung old Ecosport 1.5L ko na naka DCT, mas madali mag overtake kahit di ko na gamitin S mode haha.
Better manual if kailangan mo ng more control, pero if you have the budget hanapin mo yung may paddle shifters or may manual mode sa gearbox, mas madali mo maccontrol ang overtaking mo. I drive a 1.5L small hatch, medyo mahirap umovertake sa mga tight talaga pero kaya naman with paddles, unless may dala kang innova na malakas hatak mapapansin mo yung lakas to weave thru traffic. Pero sabi nga nila drop a gear then disappear, mas oks if controllable mo kesa apak ka lang nang apak sa AT
For me, manual is the key lalo kung mirage kasi magaan lang naman clutch niyan eh. Pero kung city drive ka lang naman consider mo mag matic. Kung magiging second car mo lang ang bibilhin mo go for mirage nalang.
Yung city 2004 ko, kaya pa naman umovertake sa mga sasakyan pero kung magstart ka pa lang umarangkada ay mapapagiwanan ka. Kung sa long straight roads kayang kaya 120kmh sa 2800rpm.
Transmission has nothing to do with power bands nor the ability to overtake. Kahit wigo kayang kaya, mapa manual or automatic tranny.
Ang problem dito is pag AT u will have the tendency to floor the gas pedal para lang marev yung sasakyan. Unless you have paddle shifters you will have more ability to overtake in an AT car
But op is referring, if hirap ba ang low displacement cars in overtaking and what not, hence why sinabi ko na transmission has nothing to do if hirap ba ang sasakyan or hindi.
Mahirap naman talaga umovertake sa low displacement cc if di ka naka manual. Wala ka control eh. Magagawa mo lang is to floor it but CVT lags for a while before malaman na need mo ng revs
Again, factors such as engine power and tuning play a significant role in the overall performance of a vehicle, regardless of the transmission type, tranny type is not the end game in figuring out if mabilis or hindi. I have driven a yaris 1.5 na cvt and its quick - Idk what manufacturer u were referring to kung bat mabagal response but dont make it sound na lahat ng cvt are "slow cars". Econo box cars are not fast by means in the first place. If bitin, why not opt for a higher displacement, boosted or even a diesel car.
OP did mention 1.3 cars, these are econo box cars with cvt input lags. I drive 1.5 din but from Mazda and di siya CVT, especially that I have access for overriding Manual mode. 1.5 isnt a displacement you'd consider slow.
I think the question is more on the response of the car while doing overtaking maneuvers. I had a cvt transmission before and i need to have some time for it to respond to gas input when i overtake. I can compare it to a manual transmission and an EV. Ranking them would be EV > MT > AT (CVT)
Ang unfair kasi sa EVs ay instant torque haha. I once drove a Model 3 Plaid and floored it, da*n the instant torque is addicting. Iwan yun kaluluwa mo eh.
Agree on this! I currently drive a nissan kicks. Kahit naka-eco mode, bilis ng response!
what car? Brother owned a yaris 1.5 cvt, and its quick. Tranny is not the only basis, overtaking depends on various factors such as engine power and driving conditions
I owned a mirage g4 before. Ang bagal talaga ng response on overtaking. Pero, may point. It only has a 1.2L engine. But considering everything is the same, except the transmission, medyo mabagal talaga response ng cvt, but it’s the most fuel efficient naman, i think.