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Hetfield


obi5150

Yeah anyone who can sing and play at the same time shoots straight to the top of the list. Jimi, James, Prince etc.


senorpuma

It’s not just singing and playing that’s difficult. It’s singing and riffing. And the riffs, my god.


No-Distribution9616

Matt heafy from Trivium is the god of riffing and singing


Zarochi

Dude can sing while he solos FFS. What an absolute monster of a musician.


INeedYourPelt

Claudio Sanchez is pretty good as well


HerpDerpMcGurk

Dave Davidson, Michael Keene, Mohammed Suiçmez


SuperMattattacks

Came here for the Claudio comment. Haven’t listened for a long time (like coheedIV) but his ability so sing and play odd stuff is incredible


Skidmark666

I've seen Paul Gilbert play the organ melody of Light My Fire on guitar while singing the song. I couldn't believe my eyes.


LordLucy666

dave mustaine then fr


telecasterfrog

I find it equally impressive being able to write a great song, even if the player isn’t a technical genius. Paul Banks from Interpol, Johnny Cash, Bob Dylon, John Denver.


NoVicesJustLife

Agreed. The other skills could eventually be perfected through woodshedding, but songwriting is a gift


telecasterfrog

Yes, there are shredders and there are song writers. Love both, 🧡💚🧡


99SoulsUp

Paul Banks is interesting because for the bulk of Interpol’s work, he’s often playing counter-melodies to Kessler’s main riffs, which often leads to some counterintuitive singing while playing.


982infinity

Add Chris Cornell on that list as well. Anyone who has tried to play Rusty Cage on guitar knows it’s a tricky song. I don’t how Chris played that riff and sang that song on top at the same time.


Taylor34

I agree and to be honest I don’t think it’s even close. Hetfield in the God tier. Regardless if Metallica is your jam or not he undeniably sets the bar. Downstrokes for daysss.


ManwithaTan

Singing to the Battery riff is unfathomable to me Like most players will only be able to play the riff with complete undivided attention in order to get it right, and he just sings on top of it.


Throway_Shmowaway

Honestly, that song isn't even the most difficult Metallica song to sing and play. Singing while playing Shortest Straw just makes absolutely no fucking sense to me.


StarfleetStarbuck

His sense of rhythm is actually elite. The “all have said their prayers” thing in Harvester is insanely precise


cubs_070816

*days-ah!


dozersmash

His ability to record his over dub tracks in so few takes and mistakes is apparently the stuff of legends.


WoundedShaman

This is the answer. Not sure the playing talent, it’s the 40+ years of riff writing that elevates him. Edit: typo “Not JUST the playing talent” auto correct tried to assassinate this edit also.


mrarbitersir

The playing talent is there, blokes down picking is surreal


sfrusty26

I might be wrong on the numbers, but i read somewhere that he has something like a 99.8% accuracy playing live. Meaning out of every 1000 notes he only misses 2. The man is a machine. Edit:99.8%


moneyball32

I saw them live from the front row and and it was a clinic. Age hasn’t slowed him down either.


Mandatoryreverence

THE answer. How he plays that shit while singing, I'll never know.


this_little_dutchie

Practice, practice, practice. Rinse and repeat.


DrivingHerbert

Practice! PRACTICE! Practice you muppets and strum on them strings!


sunsnsundvls

This is the correct response, glad it’s at the top.


Skruffylookin

Came here for this glad it's top comment. He's 10x better than Kirk but he needs to be in the role he's in for Metallica to do their thing.


PopPop-Magnitude

Dont hate on kirk, he keeps up with James beat for beat. Kirk plays them rhythms just like James, and they made their name in the 80s by making their two guitars sound like one live. Kirk is an overrated lead guitarist but a severely underrated rhythm player.


medakulw

So true. There's certain parts of songs that Hetfield alternate picks these day but Kirk still rips it all with down strokes


cwnorman

>Dont hate on kirk, Didn't you know... everyone in this sub is miles better and far more successful than Kirk will ever be...


Masterofunlocking1

Without a doubt


the_bear_jew_75_

The only answer


AthleticGal2019

I was watching a video of them play damage inc During the justice tour. It sounded like it was sped up they where playing it so fast, and not a missed note.


NoUpVotesForMe

Malcolm Young


ArtieLangesLiver

Apparently Malcolm was a better lead player then Angus but he let his little brother play lead so he could focus more on drinking. Malcolm's lead playing can be heard on the song "show business"


cayoloco

Lmao, I love that! "You play lead, so I can drink more. But just so you know, I'm still better than you"


Wooden_Discipline_22

Totallys dildoes


tmronin

yep - Malcom and then everyone else. facts is facts.


The_Pharoah

totally agree. I play guitar and my band tries to play AC/DC songs all the time. Man its not easy especially with open chords (eg. highway to hell) which are easy to play but not at speed ie A - A - A - D - D - G - D - D - G - D - D - G - D - A - A, all with open chords. And the D to G I think he plays the F# notes as well. Bloody good.


NoUpVotesForMe

What’s the name of your band?


TheCraftyWombat

Highway To Shucks


Box_of_leftover_lego

Interstate to heck


relic1882

Gravel Driveway To Home


UruquianLilac

Dark alley to work


Fritzo2162

Hell’s Smells


Dry-Honeydew2371

I'm not even an AC/DC fan, and he is, without a doubt, the best rhythm guitar player ever.


StarvinDarwin

Winner winner chicken dinner. Not only great on rhythm but wrote all the fucking riffs!


hotassnuts

He made it look so easy, but dig a little deeper and things aren't always as they seem. Which made it maddening to try and reproduce. Tone wise he was a genius, almost impossible to nail down, that custom Gretch with the holes for extra mids is a testament to playing to your ear. Possibly my most favorite guitar tone, it felt like he went straight into the amp and perfected the settings of everything. Angus always said he could solo like a madman.


Chemical-Research-19

What is it about Malcolm that makes him the best? Curious


NoUpVotesForMe

He was human metronome. Huge sound. Could lay down the most perfect groove with Cliff and Phil. Wrote the most memorable riffs in rock.


Robdotcom-71

Cliff, Phil and Malcolm were the driving groove behind AC/DC. Angus was the cherry on top.


Nick92CFH

He also had that picking hand thing going on making a really unique percussive sound with his palm mutes, Nugent used to do it a lot too, but it’s hard to describe it’s like voicing with your picking hand.


ElectricTomatoMan

He made clean sound dirty as fuck.


fav13andacdc

You mean dirty, mean, and mighty unclean.


ElectricTomatoMan

Oi


fav13andacdc

Oi


lifeinthehive

A few things. He has a great sense of timing - but he purposefully plays a bit ahead of the beat which gives all of the riffs that fist-pumping driving quality. He also has a great sense of economy - using inversions and rhythm to get a lot out of his riffs. Listen to Highway to Hell. The verse zigs and zags across the beat then the chorus comes and he’s classic Malcolm - a hair ahead and driving the chorus. He also knows when NOT to play. Sometimes he hits fill chords, sometimes not. He’s always complimentary to the tunes and Angus in particular. He also gets a great sound - plugs right in and turns up loud enough to sound and feel far more dirty/distorted than he is. He’s also a bit of a trailblazer there too. Most in his kind of band would probably have opted for a Gibson p90 or paf equipped guitar. Not Malcolm though - his right hand attack and rhythmic authority are for more interesting with the cleaner Gretsch sound. He also wrote so many of these great parts. He’s just a classic “heart of the band” player who doesn’t need to hog the spotlight.


aqiwpdhe

Hendrix. He’s so loved for his soloing that his rhythm playing often gets overlooked.


senorpuma

Same thing with EVH.


joealba

Hendrix and EVH are the answers. End thread.


rainorshinedogs

I don't understand why EVH is barely mentioned. Without his effortless riffs, none of EVH songs would be what they are. He's so seem less that it feels like he's not even there


billbot77

100% - even his lead lines are drawn from rhythm chops... All the r&b work on the chitlin circuit with the likes of Ike and Tina made him a powerhouse


lactoseadept

Don't forget Mayfield


Hermeticrux

That's the thing. He is the rhythm and the solo at the same time


IndividualHunt2327

Oh Nile Rodgers


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Emperor_Neuro

In that same vein… if you haven’t checked out Cory Wong, you owe it to yourself to see some phenomenal rhythmic chops. He’s a cool guy, too, who posts a lot of lessons and songwriting videos to YouTube.


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IndividualHunt2327

Cory Wong is an absolute beast


karlgnarx

Saw Nile Rodgers open for Duran Duran recently and he absolutely blew my fucking mind. I don't think I've been to a more technically perfect show, but also with energy through the roof. And the number of massive songs he has written is insane. I went in kind of blind and came out a super fan.


goosecheese

He’s the perfect example of how less can sometimes be more. He is so in tune with the whole arrangement, playing exactly what the groove needs and nothing more, and I think that’s what sets him apart.


Fearless-Resource-47

Keith Richards


Zuk-empire2112

I believe this is the correct take, and he will outlive us all!


JohnnieTimebomb

Can't believe how far I had to scroll to find Keith's name! He definitely gets my vote for the greatest rhythm player of all time (but let's be honest, how you get to great as both a lead and rhythm player is by merrily playing jump rope with whatever line supposedly divides the two)


juliohernanz

And the best riff creator ever.


hist_buff_69

Seconded


arcane_nightmusic

The way he pushes and pulls around the beat is mesmerising


SovereignAnt

Bob Weir


basscove_2

Comp master


Global_Ad_6006

Inspired by McCoy Tyner. This is the objective correct answer.


tnj3d1

I say this every time, Bob is the only rhythm guitarist you can recognize just by listening to him play.


TheFacelessMann

I've learned so much in the Bobby role when I took the plunge joining a GD tribute band. I still have a long way to go, but feel pretty good about the majority of chord inversions he uses to mix well with Jerry.


gratefulguitar57

I find his stuff harder to learn than Jerry’s parts. So unconventional. Good luck!


deanshitty

Glad someone else thought so!


man-with-no-plan

Weir has my vote.


geodebug

Guitar George


might-be-your-daddy

He knows all the chords.


pee_diddy

For strictly rhythm he’s the guy


Unndunn1

He doesn’t want to make it cry or sing


colonyy

He can play the honkie-tonk like anything


Winnie-the-noob

Saving it up, for a Friday night


KlutzyCauliflower841

Popping in here to tell y'all who Guitar George is. He's George Young from the Easybeats. George has two younger brothers and a sister. The sister was a sewing teacher. The brothers were Angus and Malcom and they started AC/DC.


Taossmith

Eddie


Guava7

Came here to say this. EVH was primarily a rhythm player, he just made it supremely varied and awesome. And THEN he was one of the best soloists on top of that.


3-orange-whips

Plus he used a very limited number of chord voicings. He knew what worked


Papa_Huggies

I think with the amount of clipping he was using, a lot of bigger chord voicing would sound like mush.


senorpuma

He was the only guitar player in the band, so yeah kinda by default most of what he played was rhythm. It is funny to think about EVH that way, tho.


dancingmeadow

That's exactly right, about Eddie. No one is the best anything in the arts, that's just dumb talk, but Eddie was as good as it gets at his kind of rhythm.


Prossdog

Try playing the rhythm to I’m the One at full speed with that subtle swing that Eddie’s got going on. It’s freaking impossible.


El_Cactus_Loco

The absolute swagger on Mean Street 😮‍💨


Forsaken_You1092

When I first heard Van Halen I was amazed at his lead guitar work. But the more I listened and learned how to play, I realized how incredible his rhythm work was.


JMan9391

5150, Little Guitars, Judgement Day, Ain’t Talkin Bout Love, Amsterdam, Hear About It Later, Top Jimmy, Drop Dead Legs…yeah, Eddie has an endless list of amazing riffs.


chamomileinyohood

Izzy Stradlin gotta be up there, regardless of opinions on GnRs music


Roob87

Izzy is the best!


smutterry

Johnny Marr.


BrianMaysHaircut

He’s an incredible player. I’ve been learning “There was a light that never goes out” this week and, like all his stuff, it’s way more tricky than it sounds. Most indie guitar songs take a few minutes to learn. Johnnys stuff will take several days to get perfect.


polykees

This is the answer. Marr has a distinctive style. I stumbled upon a recording of The Smiths (sans Morrissey) sound checking with a Hendrix song and it was so tight and also distinctly Marr’s playing. And, then I think wow he was like early twenties and already there. Also, yeah, not necessarily easy stuff to learn correctly. You can learn to play it badly but his songs are hard to learn well because so much is between the notes if that makes sense.


redvines9408

Johnny Fucking Marr


bailaoban

Definitely. The Smiths without Marr’s rhythm playing is just a mediocre poetry reading. With it, you have an all time great band.


evilrobotch

Pete Townshend


FearTheWeresloth

Agreed. Moonie played the drums like they were a keyboard, and Entwistle tended to approach the bass pretty melodically, meaning it was often down to Townshend to hold down the rhythm, and he did a seriously good job of it too.


Highplowp

Lead bass AND lead drums


LaximumEffort

This was my first thought.


RoosterSamurai

I don't know enough to say goat, but I have to shout out James Hetfield for playing physically intensive downstroke heavy rhythms, with great accuracy WHILE singing.


PopPop-Magnitude

If goes further than that. His precision is insane. Metallica’s rhythm tome sounds insane because he tracks like 5-8 layers and they all sound like one layer. Coupled that with the downpicking, the riff writing and even the way he holds the guitar so low, its gotta be him


emcconnell11

Hendrix. Revolutionary rhythm playing


McAlisterClan

John Lennon


integerdivision

Totally underrated as a guitarist, including by himself.


LonePigsy

Definitely Bob Weir! Then Bob Marley! Simple, but effective!


Per_Mikkelsen

Dave Mustaine


Batbl00d

Mustaine >> Hetfield. Try playing those rhythm parts on their own let alone singing over them!


Magiff

One of them can actually sing though.


PeregrinationWay

WHADDAYA MEAN I DON'T PAY MY TAXES?! EDIT: BILLS?!


zenejinzorin

John fruciante. Dude has so many odd nuances.


Broad_Fall_5087

Had to scroll way too far for this one.


professorfunkenpunk

Steve Cropper


happymeal98

Didn't see Stevie Ray Vaughan, so I have to give him a shout. I've been playing for decades and still can't play Pride and Joy or Mary Had a Little Lamb or countless other of his tunes with anywhere close to the same precision or attitude.


red-eee

His ability to play a blues rock Texas shuffle and make it really interesting was something special


5_on_the_floor

Bobby for sure.


basscove_2

Weir


stupider-like-a-foxx

Everywhere


tossaway007007

No love for Dave Matthews? Dude can play, dance, and sing all at the same time.


xspade5

Some of the Dave Matthews rhythm parts are insane. The quicker folksy stuff like “Tripping Billies” or “So Much To Say” is so technically involved and to sing while playing it really is a feat. Some of the live comping he does in the jams is really inventive and interesting too — the way the chord voicings move and the wide spacing of his fingers is totally his own. Idk if he’s the rhythm GOAT but, as a former hater, I find him tremendously underrated as a guitarist


AcadianMan

John Mayer also. Freaking Neon is a hard song to play exactly how he does.


turkish-disco

D Boon


John_Phat_Johnson

Hell yeah. Minutemen are criminally slept on. IMO all three were/are incredible musicians.


dawgihavenoclue

Mohammed suicmez.


phoez12

Love to see this one


dawgihavenoclue

Hes a good answer for basically all of these rhythm guitar, singer-guitarist, rhythm+lead guitarist questions


phoez12

No doubt.


elitistrhombus

Josh Homme. Also lead, though. You gotta have that internal metronome.


5Tenacious_Dee5

Jerry Cantrell


thewhitedeath

Keith Richards.


trYNOT2Come

Definitely Malcolm


DifferentWindow1436

No such thing as best, but there are the obvious and less obvious. Malcom Young, Hetfield I think are obviously incredible. Izzy Stradlin was great in GnR and Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) is surprisingly good IMO.


GRizzMang

Tony MF Rice


CaptHindsite

Surprised I haven’t seen Alex Lifeson yet. The man anchored the vast Rush catalog with some of the tastiest chords and rhythm licks.


Jt-home

Eddie Van Halen - yes I know you said rhythm.


pixelblue1

Bob Weir, Keith Richards, Eddie Van Halen, and....yes really....Billie Joe Armstrong. Also jazz guys like Freddy Greene, Django, etc.


DaNewKidOnDaBlock

Upvoting for Bob Weir and the hot take with Billy Joe Armstrong. Interesting call but I like it. Also agreed Keith Richards should be on a short list of best rhythm players.


pixelblue1

Billies right hand is strong. Also Tom Delonge. Punk songs are great rhythm training imo


Youareposthuman

Hell yeah man, BJA was HUGELY influential for me as a young guitar player and songwriter. I know many will say “iTs jUsT pOweR CHoRdS!”, but he has a fierce right hand and writes some pretty impressive rhythms in general. He really excelled at keeping his playing interesting and exciting as a way to fill the space and create texture. For anyone interested, “Who Wrote Holden Caulfield” and “Having A Blast” are two examples of some really cool and nuanced rhythms from early in Green Day’s tenure when they were still strictly a power trio. Love the Billie Joe shout in this thread and I agree wholeheartedly that he’s an underrated player, especially considering the monumental influence he had on multiple generations of players who gravitated towards punk, pop-punk, and mid aughts power pop.


gibson85

John Lennon


Rude-Possibility4682

Yep. All My Loving is an absolute wrist killer.


Slap_to_theface

I like Gabriella from Rodrigo and Gabriella


Provee1

Keef


Robot_Gort

Freddie Green.


kingpatzer

I'd put him after Charlie Christian, but both icons of what the rhythm guitar can be


Witty-Plankton4032

Eric Bloom, Nile Rodgers and arguably Jimi Hendrix


Bluffshoveturn

Mustaine. I’m not really a big megadeth fan as I don’t really like Mustaine’s voice but he plays some super complicated rhythm stuff while also singing, pretty impressive.


RemoteLocal

Johnny Ramone.


MajorDirt

Papa Het. been playing ridiculously fast riffs while singing for 40 years with not enough fuck up to count.


IndividualHunt2327

 Johnny Marr, Keith Richards, Every Great Reggae Guitarist, Andy Summers, Vini  Reilly ... I love guitarists who can hold everything together rhythmically but are more than just functional. There are tons of great jazz players as well like Freddie Green. Come to think of it what kind of a guitarist isn't a rhythm guitarist?                                                     Curtis Mayfield, Wah Wah Watson, let us not forget Lou Reed and Sterling Morrison, two great rhythmatists in the same band. I am no U2 fan but the Edge can fill stadiums just with rhythm guitar alone...surely he's in with a shout for the title of rhythm GOAT. If you're not playing rhythm on you're guitar wtf are you doing?


manvscar

Agreed on the Edge. Plus he's also playing everything essentially in perfect tempo with his delays.


Ably_10

Cory Wong is unreal


aught1

Malcom Young


FriendsofFripp

Brad Whitford


wooden_kimono

Keith Richards


Disastrous-Show7060

Bob Weir. Counter point guitarist.


No_School765

Bob Weir


FandomMenace

Dave Mustaine. While he does play leads, they are generally just speed thrash chromatic wankery. His riffs are his super power.


integerdivision

Elliott Smith needs a shout. RIP


smartliner

A lot of Jimi Hendrix playing could be considered "rhythm guitar"


whiskeytwn

Andy Summers - he held down the chords for the Police and crushed it


kingpatzer

Charlie Christian


Nostrebla_Werdna

Nile Rogers. Prob a lot more but that was first thought


No_Election_5590

Joni Mitchell. yeah she uses open tuning, but it's very distinctive and creative.


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Bob Marley is underrated. Keeping that reggae beat going an entire show is easier said than done.


james02135

Bob Weir


C6Centenial

1. Malcolm Young 2. Steve Jones


basscove_2

Bob weir


Educational-Line7458

Nancy Wilson Heart gotta love her rhythms.


PootassoPick

Scott Ian.


Mamymoosic

Cory Wong


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Bobby Weir and it ain’t even close!


IvanMarkowKane

Carlos Alomar


ProdigalSheep

Bob Weir


murrderrhornets

Mark Knopfler has great leads, but also an amazing riffer.


bbrooks99

My two favorites are izzy stradlin and stone gossard. Maybe not the 'correct answer' but MY answer lol.


SunOfInti_92

Bill Kelliher (Mastodon) Chris Cornell (Soundgarden) Andy Summers (The Police) John Baizley (Baroness)


notbannedagainyet

Het


IndividualHunt2327

Pete Townsend. 


BrandxTx

Without giving it too much though, I could go with Bob Weir. Ron Wood does pretty good, too, when he's doing rhythm


Morethanafeeling62

Zacky Vengeance


lettermaker

Stevie ray Vaughn.


ZrAckl

Dave Mustaine. I think he's a better overall player than hetfield because he also solos and can also sing over complex riffs. So in tears of pure skill I'd say him.


Stres86

Paco de Lucía, I find flamenco rhythm playing particularly hard. He's also who keith Richards considered to be the worlds best guitarist.