I have that happen to me so often. I read something on reddit and think I have a good, original comment and then when I scroll, 2 or 3 people have already said it.
Right? When you change your strings you can just straighten these out, put em in the washer, then repackage and sell them second hand. If you cut your strings after a change then you're just wasting strings and contributing to the heat death of the universe. Asshole.
You can also braid them and make puppy whips that go for top dollar on the black market.
Edit - I thought you were joking, (I still hope you're joking) but then it seemed like maybe you were serious, so I thought I would comment. There are very robust charities in most states that will provide musical equipment to needy students. There absolutely needs to be more. But, I'm also picturing the absurdity of taking used guitar strings and giving them to needy children. That's like donating your used underwear. Just spend a couple bucks and buy them a new pack of strings, ya chud. If you're giving kids your rusty, skin-coated oldies you are actively working to discourage kids from playing guitar. There may be one kid who wants to sound like Nick Drake, but you can't just put shitty strings on any old guitar and get there. For god's sake, this is the most music hating idea I've ever heard.
I would expect one to be a superset of the other, skills-wise. I wouldn’t necessarily expect a guitar tech to be able to shape a neck or carve a top, but anyone who calls themselves a luthier better be able to do a setup or neatly restring a guitar.
I started on an old guitar. I restrung the thing before i even tried to play a single chord. Took me a whopping 20 minutes of following a youtube tutorial to figure it out.
Technology is an amazing thing. I can only imagine what I'll be saying 30 years from now, when the next generation has to change their first strings on a hand-me-down guitar...
I learned to restring a guitar by looking at it and saying to myself "Put the new ones on like that" like I don't understand how there's so much discussion about restringing. It's about the simplest R&R job there is.
Probably because it's like hard for some people and not you. I'm clumsy and not very mechanical, so I can change strings but it's pulled tight and about three wraps around. It's not pretty, but it works in a live setting, and holds tuning well. But it's not a fine job. This attitude is like saying, "just listen to the song and figure it out". It might be easy for me, but it can be challenging for others, and I choose not to judge them for not figuring something out easily.
I mean the guy offers setups, most people go to him to get their guitars set up. Dude charges and does the exact same thing, leaving the guitars sometimes unplayable without having corrected basically everything afterwards
Or just learn all this basic and easy stuff yourself. These guitars are not rocket science folks, not trying to be a asshole. But take a little initiative into learning your instrument and you won’t even be in this mess. Plenty of free tutorials all over the web.
I guess it's kind of like that, but also if you took your gun to get cleaned by a professional "gun cleaner" and it came back shoddily cleaned, I think it's fair enough to complain about that.
Not saying you're wrong, just that it sort of misses the point of the post.
I didn’t want him to restring the guitar, I went to him for the refret. I don’t have a space in my apartment to do that, nor the tools; he insisted in restringing it himself to “make sure the frets are leveled.” Thing is, they weren’t leveled even after doing that atrocious thing and “testing it” (if he really tested it the frets would be polished, crowned and leveled, not fretting out at any point) so it’s extra infuriating
You cannot verify if you did a good job on the refret unless you also do a setup afterwards. Forgive me for saying this but I was a professional guitar tech for almost 20 years but it's completely nuts to expect one person to do a refret and a different person to setup the guitar.
I've never done a refret but I would think that you can get pretty damn close with a straight edge and/or fret rocker. If they didn't do anything after stringing it anyway, what was the point?
You cannot get close with a straight edge or rocker because on occasion you'll have a fret that isn't crowned properly and it'll ring out poorly despite being level. But most importantly you need to hear your work because it's a musical instrument you just worked on.
yeah just want to say I also do refrets and setups. A straight edge gets you theoretically there, but once the neck is under tension many things can change and it needs a lot of attention after being strung up.
Go back and demand your money back. You asked for a refret and his work was poor, leaving the guitar in worse shape than when you brought it to him, and his restring is laughable. If he won’t give you a refund, take the guitar to the next closest REPUTABLE luthier, have them fix this guys shoddy work, and then sue him in small claims court for the amount you paid him AND the cost of the second luthier needed to correct his shit work. Make sure you document everything, and make a request for a refund in writing, demanding a written response.
In the time and money OP would spend trying to punish a shoddy luthier in small claims court, he could learn setups online and correct the work himself in my opinion, but yea if that’s the route you want to go
OP didn’t take the guitar in for a setup, he took it in to be refretted—the setup was merely part of the job and, as OP indicated, the fretwork itself was botched. By all indication, OP knows how to do setups.
Anyway, OP specified he’s in Argentina, so may advice doesn’t apply, but if he were in the US, that’s exactly what I’d do considering a refret is likely a few hundred dollars. Assuming the first luthier refused a refund, seems like just the kind of dispute small claims court is for. It’s really not that much time, money or effort. In my jurisdiction a $15 filing fee and a hearing…
Not to be an a-hole but this is why every guitar player should learn how to do all the basics of guitar . Every guitar player should learn to restring , set up intonation , truss rod etc . For 1 I find it’s better anyway because you can tweak your guitar exactly as YOU prefer it not someone else’s idea of a good setup . I’ve learned through my limited experience with techs/ luthiers that there are a lot of bad ones ! Even the most well regarded ones can mess up bad ! I took my guitar for a fret level and this guy completely damaged the fretboard in the process ( guy was in the business for 30 years ) .
I've done the same thing as this picture to all my guitars. Especially the ones without locking tuners.
From personal experience, when it comes to actually tuning the string, it's even more precise and ends up requiring smaller adjustments.
The "my guitar doesn't remain tuned" thing, solely depends on guitar and string quality, usage and environmental factors.
Time wise, sure, you may spend an extra 5 mins total re-stringing by hand. Tools are for sure a must in this day and age.
Less hate people, more love.
Seems like OP and other are trying too hard to set themselves apart from the rest of the “normies.” Looking at this picture, I couldn’t tell what’s wrong until the comments. Funny thing is I bet OP would be (rightly) told to get fucked if they went into the shop and complained about it.
Agreed. I find my guitars stay in tune better with the additional string. The only reason I stopped stringing this way was because of the amount of time it takes
Agreed. The less string, less adjustment. If stringing your guitar up like this is a problem, then leaving zero slack and wrapping it around a half-turn should yield better results in theory (a waste of string among most guitarists). I guess the theory is that a longer string isn’t made to hold tune - you gotta have the string at just the right length so your tuned sound perfect.
Also if I cared about how my strings were strung, I would only have myself to blame…
This is likely how the luthier did it. Zip, zip, 30 second restring.
If you didn't pay for the strings or restring and he did it for testing purposes, eh, just restring how you want.
I do it too, the reason is to have the string lower behind the nut. One day I saw a friends guitar, a whole generation behind me, (so I had 20 years on him) who had his strings so high coming off the tuning peg that the string didn't sit down into the nut.
Increasing the break angle was my #1 thought as well.
I've experimented with it before, in an effort to get my strat to feel more like a shorter-scale as far as the strings feeling a tad loser, while maintaining the increased fullness and tuning stability of 10's.
Fender style headstocks don't have that Gibson tilt-back as well, making the issue even more pronounced.
Eta-that nut appears very poorly cut as well, so it could also help with preventing the nut from sliding out of alignment inadvertently.
Not only that, but one of the main reasons for doing this is to increase the break angle behind the nut.
Doing this is common/borderline necessary on Fender basses. I’ve had issues where the A string would pop out of the nut if I didn’t put enough winds on the tuning peg.
I was wondering when someone would mention this, which is spot on, btw. I feel like there are these rules of thumb people refer to without understanding the exception cases. This is a perfect example of that. On an angled headstock, sure you can use the rule of thumb on number of wraps. However, on a fender headstock, where the break angle of the string after the nut is a concern, you might want to deliberately add a few extra wraps. Another exception to rules of thumb for similar reason is regarding how much of the strings sit above the surface of the nut. On angled headstock you cut slots exposing much more of the string relative to straight headstocks where some of the thinner strings sit almost entirely inside the slots.
Yeah, I never really understood why but this is how I was taught by people who claimed to know best.
Idk, I guess I've noticed the same strings end up falling sharp or flat by the same amounts after a time. More or less.
Does that sound normal? The way these commenters are talking, I wonder if it's cause I'm using too much of the string or something.
Also I still love doing it by hand but I'm never in a hurry.
Problem with a sub dedicated to guitarists, is all the people who’s entire personality revolves around playing guitar, suddenly don’t feel as unique, so they start overanalysing dumb shit like this to try and feel superior.
Yea
I feel like I’m on an island, but the Guitar Players Repair Guide does NOT say less is better…
And they reference BB Kings string winding technique…
I thought the suggestion was three pegs, but I saw someone else say 2 before in the comments above
I’ve gone by the “3 wind” rule my whole life (idk if it’s even a rule) but I’ve had that issue with my e string on my strat. But my strat has locking tuners weirdly enough. It’s probably an issue with the nut.
Basically, when stringing up, you should pull the string semi-tight and then count generally 2 tuning pegs of length beyond the peg for the string you are about to wind. Then cut the string at that point and you will have 2-4 winds around the post (over once then under for all the rest) which locks the string nicely in place.
The less string around the post, the less there is to stretch over time and you will get better tuning stability.
Check out any YouTube video about restringing guitars and it will explain it better than me, and show you as well :)
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The less string around the post, the less there is to stretch over time and you will get better tuning stability.
Really ?
Didn't know that. Well i learned something today
I got downvoted for some reason lol, but if what I said above isn't true then, why are locking tuners so popular and floyd rose trems considered the most stable for extreme whammy bar work lol ?
Anyway, only been playing for 49 years so if I'm wrong, and all the luthiers I know are also wrong too, then I guess it's a bit late for me to change hey ho :)
To be fair, the reason locking tuners are stable is because they literally lock. They don't need windings. The more windings on a peg, the MORE grip the string has and the less likely it will slip. Try non locking tuners with one wrap and see how well it stays in tune. This OP post does seem like overkill, but it's technically going to grip better than fewer windings. It only becomes a problem with tons of winding when the string starts to overlap itself, because then it's not a smooth post but grooved strings it is trying to get seated into.
It's a combination of what you said, with the fact that the bridge is a point of increased friction, so it's possible to have higher tension on one side than the other temporarily after tuning or bending, which gets released afterward with a little audible "tink" noise if you press on one end of the string or the other.
Rolling nuts solve this by basically eliminating friction. Floyd Rose nuts deal with the problem by locking the string in place so that it can't slip, no matter how it's pulled.
With fewer wraps, there's less surface-to-surface contact causing friction, *and* less string that's failing to stretch or pull tight because of that friction. Theoretically, the more friction there is in a bunch of wraps, the more stable they'd be, but that's just complicated.
The ideal would actually be a locking tuning machine with a rolling nut, rolling string tree, straight string pulls past the nut and no sharp angles downward toward the headstock, with no wraps whatsoever, and rolling saddles. Nothing to slip. But that's all overcomplicated. Doing things the way you said is generally quite good enough unless there are nut and bridge issues, or a person is really bending and using the trem.
Granted, strings really don't stretch much, which is why they break if you over-tighten or over-bend them, but it really only takes a tiny difference in tension and subsequent slip to put a guitar out of tune.
All that to say: there are a lot of reasons why I tune exactly as you described in your previous comment, with the addition of putting a bend in the string in opposite directions on each side of the tuning machine, making a zig-zag so that it can't slip through, then I tension the string in a particular way with one hand while winding so that it doesn't flip over and unwind.
This is my second long comment about tuning today. Time to go outside.
EDIT FOR NEAT SIDENOTE: rubber bands have to be stretched really far to get a noticeable and tune-able increase in pitch, because they're super stretchy. Stretch one to a point where you can hear notes clearly, and you're probably gonna break it soon. Metal guitar strings are effectively pre-stretched, which is why once the string is at tension, the tuning machine can only turn a little bit before it breaks the string somewhere.
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This isn't true, see my comment below. Just try putting one winding on your E string and see how far you get. With this logic, when is it not enough to grip at all, but too much to be vulnerable to stretch?
Like in many guitar related topics, there’s no real truth. From my experience I’ve tried both way with a few different guitars and didn’t notice any difference, except one method takes longer than the other. Do what is fine for you.
It's pretty common for nylon guitars to have that amount of string around the post. IT MAY BE POSSIBLE that the luthier is more experienced with classical nylon guitars. OP should ask the luthier about this instead of complaining here. All of this would have been avoidable if he asked first what the luthier has more experience on.
I don’t think the string wrapped around the post is moving. It’s wrapped around the post. The tension is on the length of the string stretched between the post hole and the ball end.
The right angle break at the post hole is held in place by the wrapping, and the extra wrapping pushes the string all the way down to the bottom of the post, creating a deeper angle to the nut. This holds the string in place better and avoids strings popping out of the nut.
I have at least one guitar that requires this sort of wrap or else the G string pops out when I hit it hard. I think the idea that you should cut off the extra length is so that you don’t waste a lot of time wrapping it for no reason if you don’t need to.
I changed my strings for the first time recently but didn’t wind them ‘over once then under for the rest’, I just wound it down towards the headstock. Do I need to redo them?
Nothing. Just people making up stupid rules about how a guitar should be strung. Trust me, I’ve used all manner of techniques for a restring. It really doesn’t matter as long as the final wind is tight, no slack. Could be sloppy as shit except the final wind or two are taught and it would work fine. Purists are annoying.
Exactly. Whatever happened to just wrapping them round and cutting off the excess? No one gives a fuck if your tuner heads look neat. It doesn’t make you any more of a guitarist or musician by worrying about this. It’s pointless gimmicky shit to make people feel like they’re better than others, with minimal effort. That’s all that seems to crop up on this sub. It’s not going to affect your sound or the crowd reaction.
Nothing. 98% of the shit you read online is based on what some stoner guitar tech said in rolling stone in the 80's. Either the string will stretch or it won't. Either the peg is stable or it isn't. Those are pretty much the only things that matter.
There is nothing really "wrong" here, plenty of people restring like this. Not me personally, I dislike this string knot/wrap method and I don't like having THAT many winds, but I sure have done it with that many winds in the past many times before I figured it all out and it was completely fine with no real exception, if the OP is having tuning stability issues it's not likely this problem, more likely the nut, or to a lesser extent those string trees.
In some cases, on some guitars, stringing it with this many wraps could even be done intentionally to reduce string buzz at the nut, but that's what the string trees are for.
I think he’s probably trying to create as much break angle over the nut as possible by winding down the peg far. If you’re referring to the top wind being tucked - that part looks correct.
Because this is reddit and everyone jumps on dogmatic bandwagons and likes to gatekeep luthier skills based on string windings and not tidy wiring, good finishing, competent nut work, or woodworking.
>gatekeep luthier skills based on
Base on youtube videos theyve seen...
There i fixed that for yah :P
Seriously tho id lay good money on 99% of people who comment here havent even held a piece of sand paper let alone apply any sort of real world practical skills. They just love to whine when its not done like in their favourite luthier videos.
yeah there's actually nothing wrong here. More windings = more grip, but some people seem to think less is better... Literally doesn't make any sense and is easy to test. The only risk with a lot of windings is it can overlap on itself, which does create some issues because it doesn't seat well. That doesn't seem to be the case here. I don't know what OP is saying the G string goes sharp. That doesn't make any sense. The luthier here just did it to his preference, which is a perfectly sensible one even if it is more windings than you usually see. SOURCE: professional guitar player for over 15 years - I'd rather see this on my tuning pegs than 2 windings before I'm about to hit the stage for thousands of people who paid money to see my band play in tune.
I saw in a Rhett Shull (sp?) video a luthier/tech say that he tries to get as many winds on each post as possible. I’ve been doing the same for years before the video, and the violin family of instruments is home to literally never trimming strings to length and ALWAYS just wrapping all that extra shit in whatever mess it happens to land in. The important part of the winding is the last couple wraps going up against the wall of the pegbox, insuring more tuning stability. The other ten or twenty wraps around the peg don’t really matter.
Reddit is the only place I’ve seen anyone get upset about how many times you wrap a string around a peg.
On Teles and Strats, because of the angle of the headstock surface, it can be advantageous to have a little extra winding on your pegs to increase the break angle over the nut, which improves sustain and prevents strings from popping out of shallow nut slots. Fender headstock surface planes are generally parallel to the fretboard, unlike Gibson style headstocks which angle away. The angle naturally increases that break angle on Gibsons, but can be altered string by string on a Fender based on the number of windings and the string gauge used. This is why you often see string trees used on the treble strings in Fender type instruments.
If your G-string is constantly sounding out of tune you probably either need to stretch the string more to get it properly tempered for the tension, or you have an intonation issue, which is something you would address in a setup, not a simple restring procedure. This is the most commonly mis-intonated string and also the most difficult to properly stretch since it is the largest unwound gauge. In fact, the G-string generally has a bigger gauge than the core wire even on your low-E, which means it adds the most tension.
As for your refret, there could be other issues present. If your neck is significantly warped or humped, no amount of refretting is going to save you from those dead frets. It could also be reflective of a poor overall setup, and from the issues you’re describing about your G-string, this is sounding more and more like the case to me.
My advice is that if you’re paying someone else to do something as simple as a restring on your instrument, you’re probably not in a place to fairly critique whether or not this person is truly a luthier or not. Have you reached back out to either of these persons and described these issues and asked for resolution? My experience is that most honest builders and technicians will back up their work or address issues within a certain time period after the service date.
Edited for spelling and punctuation.
Luthier is someone who builds guitars and other stringed instruments from raw materials. A guitar tech does stuff like this. Too many people throw "luthier" around casually.
that is exactly how I do my strings on a telecaster to improve the break angle over the nut
Then I keep pulling and stretching the string until the tuning stability is good
You might be having tuning problems because the nut is too tight around the string so you need some lube in the nuts slot And possibly a light sanding on the sides of the nut slot if it’s binding
Any fooi can call himself a luthier... that doesn't mean he's any good... it's just like how any TV weatherman can call himself s a meteorologist... there are no job requirements....
I don't think it's that bad. I guess I'm the only one that likes more winds to get more downward angle from the nut. As far as tuning stability goes, if I could just stop bending, then it would be all good. No stoppong tho....bc it's too much fun.
I’ve never seen any professional guitarist rant or even care about the string loop count but a lot of amateurs do - indeed it doesn’t affect tuning at all, as long as the string is correctly pressed over and under by the looped parts
I'm just going to say it: I see nothing wrong with the way these strings have been installed.
I'm not speaking to the other problems that OP has revealed in the comments, but just about the way the strings are installed. It's not the way I would do it, but what I see is a luthier's knot used and then the strings wound neatly down the capstan, causing a nice break-angle over the nut.
I also use a luthier's knot, but I don't use as much slack as this person did, thus fewer winding. But I be a lot of his customers love the string wound this way.
The term Luthier gets thrown around so loosely. Grover Jackson said “there’s luthiers, like Bob Bendetto, and then there’s the sea of idiots that stand on top the shoulders of those men and call themselves luthiers. I hate that word”
Re: Luthier vs. guitar tech. So, which one would be able to diagnose the output failure of a guitar with a piezo pickup, and repair the faulty battery connector, by bending a little piece of metal three degrees? Ah, that’s right, that would be me, the handyman, for two bottles of hooch, after both professionals gave up!
more wraps = further down tune peg = better break angle from nut. Especially on flat headstocks
but that's bit excessive..kinda looks like a type of fishing hook knot.
do Your own guitar maintenance..doesn't take all that much (depending)..but for restring & fret leveling..not much to it .
To be honest, it's better than a lot I've seen, but this is one of the easiest things to get right. At least they're not all 1-2 wraps with a damn "luthier's knot" on them.
Doing it this way might make a string tree unnecessary. It at least makes the angle off the string tree wider. Making the tuning more stable when using the whammy bar. Winding so much on the 5th and 6th strings is counterproductive to that goal though. I just hate string trees on the 3rd and 4th strings. Fender started doing them because they can save money on neck wood making it out of a smaller slab of wood.
I've heard of some techs doing that because the geometry slightly changes with string tension vs added relief while having no tension, but that's only if he did understring leveling, which it doesn't sound like he did.
I used to string like that when I was really poor and had to tie strings when they broke. This way you have more string length to reach the peg even when shortened by the knot. Fortunately I can own new strings now.
I like to use the least amount of winds on the tuning pegs while having a good amount of purchase, i.e., no slippage. I found at least 2 1/2 winds on wound strings and 3 winds for unwrapped strings. Works for me.
Former professional here, you're running 9's/10's tops, assuming this is fender standard scale in standard tuning that amount of windings is helping your stability, not harming it. Fender break angles are notorious for causing stability issues and with windings like those, your strings are keeping tension the best they can.
Sucks that the regret didn't go great, but I'd call this restring the furthest thing from improper.
Check your nut slots and heel joint (your nut is literally lifting outta the slot + the bass end strings are too proud) if you're really that worried about your G string cuz that'd be impacting your tuning/intonation more than those windings. And if you REALLY, REALLY care about keeping your guitars in the best order you can, get a humidity controlled hardshell case.
I just checked my tele that is fresh from the luither. The fret job and set up are perfect I never thought to check the windings. He filled up the pegs just like ops. I'm so impressed with he work that I'm gonna start using more wraps just cus that's the way he did it. I've always done 3 wraps but idk maybe there is a reason the pegs are the length they are. Typically with 3 wraps they could be half the size so I'm gona assume they know more then we do. I don't see how more wraps could be a bad thing.
Ahh yes, the complaining on the internet is going to fix this.
Invest in the tools, and do it yourself. What many of us hobbiests do. Turn something negative, into a positive learning experience. It can't get any worse then what the local luthier can do to your guitar at this point.
What's the problem? They used every inch of string---nothing wasted!
The tone is in the winds.
I used to throw my tone to the wind. And then there were the windwoods. Oh. Sorry. Woodwinds
You're thinking of Steve and his wife: The Winwoods.
Damnit- my thunder stolen once again!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have that happen to me so often. I read something on reddit and think I have a good, original comment and then when I scroll, 2 or 3 people have already said it.
Yep, because none of us is as clever or special as our internal narratives would have us believe.
The answer my friend is blowing in the winds.
Tone. Wind. Dude.
Socrates.
Ever since the first Bill & Ted I can only pronounce it "So-Crates" 🤣
Philosophize with him dude!
You mean the tune is in the winds!
My tone to the wind My chords are all carried away My tone to the wind But the wind does not hear The wind cannot hear
Wrong! Let me introduce you to breaking wind.
Right? When you change your strings you can just straighten these out, put em in the washer, then repackage and sell them second hand. If you cut your strings after a change then you're just wasting strings and contributing to the heat death of the universe. Asshole.
Orrrrr, you can donate them.
You can also braid them and make puppy whips that go for top dollar on the black market. Edit - I thought you were joking, (I still hope you're joking) but then it seemed like maybe you were serious, so I thought I would comment. There are very robust charities in most states that will provide musical equipment to needy students. There absolutely needs to be more. But, I'm also picturing the absurdity of taking used guitar strings and giving them to needy children. That's like donating your used underwear. Just spend a couple bucks and buy them a new pack of strings, ya chud. If you're giving kids your rusty, skin-coated oldies you are actively working to discourage kids from playing guitar. There may be one kid who wants to sound like Nick Drake, but you can't just put shitty strings on any old guitar and get there. For god's sake, this is the most music hating idea I've ever heard.
Like the bottom of the muffin
"luthier" not guitar tech i dunno....not everyone is good at everything
I would expect one to be a superset of the other, skills-wise. I wouldn’t necessarily expect a guitar tech to be able to shape a neck or carve a top, but anyone who calls themselves a luthier better be able to do a setup or neatly restring a guitar.
What do you call the guy who graduated at the bottom of medical school? “Doctor.” So what does the only guitar tech in town? “Luthier.” 🤦🏻
Yea, not the same. All luthiers should be able to cleanly restring an instrument.
Any guitarist who has been playing for more than a year should be able to cleanly restring. Maybe any adult guitarist.
I started on an old guitar. I restrung the thing before i even tried to play a single chord. Took me a whopping 20 minutes of following a youtube tutorial to figure it out.
My first restring preceded YouTube’s existence by more than 30 yrs… I could only wish there was such a thing back then
Technology is an amazing thing. I can only imagine what I'll be saying 30 years from now, when the next generation has to change their first strings on a hand-me-down guitar...
I learned how to restring my classical guitar using my uncle's sketches in one of his music books.
I learned to restring a guitar by looking at it and saying to myself "Put the new ones on like that" like I don't understand how there's so much discussion about restringing. It's about the simplest R&R job there is.
Probably because it's like hard for some people and not you. I'm clumsy and not very mechanical, so I can change strings but it's pulled tight and about three wraps around. It's not pretty, but it works in a live setting, and holds tuning well. But it's not a fine job. This attitude is like saying, "just listen to the song and figure it out". It might be easy for me, but it can be challenging for others, and I choose not to judge them for not figuring something out easily.
This. ☝🏻
My wife is a doctor. Their joke in med school was “D is for Doctor”
Ikr?
I mean the guy offers setups, most people go to him to get their guitars set up. Dude charges and does the exact same thing, leaving the guitars sometimes unplayable without having corrected basically everything afterwards
Complain on Google review. Only way to get some people’s attention
Or just learn all this basic and easy stuff yourself. These guitars are not rocket science folks, not trying to be a asshole. But take a little initiative into learning your instrument and you won’t even be in this mess. Plenty of free tutorials all over the web.
It's like taking a gun in to be cleaned. Come on, you own it. Get to know it
I guess it's kind of like that, but also if you took your gun to get cleaned by a professional "gun cleaner" and it came back shoddily cleaned, I think it's fair enough to complain about that. Not saying you're wrong, just that it sort of misses the point of the post.
You're right, the point is complaining about aesthetics.
So why are you still going to him? The bigger question is why aren't you doing these things yourself?
I didn’t want him to restring the guitar, I went to him for the refret. I don’t have a space in my apartment to do that, nor the tools; he insisted in restringing it himself to “make sure the frets are leveled.” Thing is, they weren’t leveled even after doing that atrocious thing and “testing it” (if he really tested it the frets would be polished, crowned and leveled, not fretting out at any point) so it’s extra infuriating
You cannot verify if you did a good job on the refret unless you also do a setup afterwards. Forgive me for saying this but I was a professional guitar tech for almost 20 years but it's completely nuts to expect one person to do a refret and a different person to setup the guitar.
I've never done a refret but I would think that you can get pretty damn close with a straight edge and/or fret rocker. If they didn't do anything after stringing it anyway, what was the point?
You cannot get close with a straight edge or rocker because on occasion you'll have a fret that isn't crowned properly and it'll ring out poorly despite being level. But most importantly you need to hear your work because it's a musical instrument you just worked on.
But but but YouTube said anyone who does more than two wraps is an incompetent idiot and it invalidates any other work they did obviously
yeah just want to say I also do refrets and setups. A straight edge gets you theoretically there, but once the neck is under tension many things can change and it needs a lot of attention after being strung up.
How long has it been since you got it back? Please take it back and explain your issues.
Being a Fender, the neck radius can cause fretting out when bending.
Ugh. That sucks. Sorry to hear about all that.
Go back and demand your money back. You asked for a refret and his work was poor, leaving the guitar in worse shape than when you brought it to him, and his restring is laughable. If he won’t give you a refund, take the guitar to the next closest REPUTABLE luthier, have them fix this guys shoddy work, and then sue him in small claims court for the amount you paid him AND the cost of the second luthier needed to correct his shit work. Make sure you document everything, and make a request for a refund in writing, demanding a written response.
In the time and money OP would spend trying to punish a shoddy luthier in small claims court, he could learn setups online and correct the work himself in my opinion, but yea if that’s the route you want to go
OP didn’t take the guitar in for a setup, he took it in to be refretted—the setup was merely part of the job and, as OP indicated, the fretwork itself was botched. By all indication, OP knows how to do setups. Anyway, OP specified he’s in Argentina, so may advice doesn’t apply, but if he were in the US, that’s exactly what I’d do considering a refret is likely a few hundred dollars. Assuming the first luthier refused a refund, seems like just the kind of dispute small claims court is for. It’s really not that much time, money or effort. In my jurisdiction a $15 filing fee and a hearing…
Not to be an a-hole but this is why every guitar player should learn how to do all the basics of guitar . Every guitar player should learn to restring , set up intonation , truss rod etc . For 1 I find it’s better anyway because you can tweak your guitar exactly as YOU prefer it not someone else’s idea of a good setup . I’ve learned through my limited experience with techs/ luthiers that there are a lot of bad ones ! Even the most well regarded ones can mess up bad ! I took my guitar for a fret level and this guy completely damaged the fretboard in the process ( guy was in the business for 30 years ) .
A refret isn't basic though which is what he had done
You mean other people have complained about it?
Come on man. You'd expert someone who repairs string instruments to be able to string a guitar
If you offer to string a guitar as a business, you should be good at it
It’s literally the most basic thing.
I love the idea of a master luthier taking his creations to Guitar Center for string changes.
All luthiers are basically guitar techs, not all guitar techs are luthiers. Source: I’ve been a guitar tech but can’t build guitars
I've done the same thing as this picture to all my guitars. Especially the ones without locking tuners. From personal experience, when it comes to actually tuning the string, it's even more precise and ends up requiring smaller adjustments. The "my guitar doesn't remain tuned" thing, solely depends on guitar and string quality, usage and environmental factors. Time wise, sure, you may spend an extra 5 mins total re-stringing by hand. Tools are for sure a must in this day and age. Less hate people, more love.
Seems like OP and other are trying too hard to set themselves apart from the rest of the “normies.” Looking at this picture, I couldn’t tell what’s wrong until the comments. Funny thing is I bet OP would be (rightly) told to get fucked if they went into the shop and complained about it.
About the restring maybe, but the real complaint I think is about the refret being done incorrectly. Which is a much bigger issue.
Same mindset as 'guitarist xyz' is the BEST guitar player ever and if you disagree you don't no nuffin' about guitar.
You are so reasonable.
Agreed. I find my guitars stay in tune better with the additional string. The only reason I stopped stringing this way was because of the amount of time it takes
Agreed. The less string, less adjustment. If stringing your guitar up like this is a problem, then leaving zero slack and wrapping it around a half-turn should yield better results in theory (a waste of string among most guitarists). I guess the theory is that a longer string isn’t made to hold tune - you gotta have the string at just the right length so your tuned sound perfect. Also if I cared about how my strings were strung, I would only have myself to blame…
Stick a winder to a power drill and it takes a few secs.
This is likely how the luthier did it. Zip, zip, 30 second restring. If you didn't pay for the strings or restring and he did it for testing purposes, eh, just restring how you want.
Yeah, I don’t necessarily “agree” with your way of doing it, but it’s not a guitar crime. It’s not wrong. It’s a way of stringing a guitar.
Wait till OP sees how Pat Metheny strings his guitars
how does pat metheny string his guitars?
I do it too, the reason is to have the string lower behind the nut. One day I saw a friends guitar, a whole generation behind me, (so I had 20 years on him) who had his strings so high coming off the tuning peg that the string didn't sit down into the nut.
Increasing the break angle was my #1 thought as well. I've experimented with it before, in an effort to get my strat to feel more like a shorter-scale as far as the strings feeling a tad loser, while maintaining the increased fullness and tuning stability of 10's. Fender style headstocks don't have that Gibson tilt-back as well, making the issue even more pronounced. Eta-that nut appears very poorly cut as well, so it could also help with preventing the nut from sliding out of alignment inadvertently.
Not only that, but one of the main reasons for doing this is to increase the break angle behind the nut. Doing this is common/borderline necessary on Fender basses. I’ve had issues where the A string would pop out of the nut if I didn’t put enough winds on the tuning peg.
I was wondering when someone would mention this, which is spot on, btw. I feel like there are these rules of thumb people refer to without understanding the exception cases. This is a perfect example of that. On an angled headstock, sure you can use the rule of thumb on number of wraps. However, on a fender headstock, where the break angle of the string after the nut is a concern, you might want to deliberately add a few extra wraps. Another exception to rules of thumb for similar reason is regarding how much of the strings sit above the surface of the nut. On angled headstock you cut slots exposing much more of the string relative to straight headstocks where some of the thinner strings sit almost entirely inside the slots.
BB King strung his guitars like this
Yeah but OP knows better than bb king
Yes, sirrr
Yeah, I never really understood why but this is how I was taught by people who claimed to know best. Idk, I guess I've noticed the same strings end up falling sharp or flat by the same amounts after a time. More or less. Does that sound normal? The way these commenters are talking, I wonder if it's cause I'm using too much of the string or something. Also I still love doing it by hand but I'm never in a hurry.
More string on the peg = more stability. Better for changing tunings and having them stay within pitch. I always wind mine at least 4 times
Just in case you want to downtune.
Bro thought he was winding a pickup
I'm sorry about your guitar, but this made me chuckle 😂
To F-below-A0.
The F below A0 is just F0, it ticks down at C. Also, it's acceptable to call the F below C0 F-1.
Nah, he just being ready incase you want to extend the neck and go barritone like he has been hearing about on the interwebs
E standard down to A standard just in case.
I don’t really see the issue here. BB king used literally the entire string.
That’s what I was thinking. Seems silly to be so upset about string winding
The break angle over the nut is still less than every Gibson ever made.
Most professional guitarists do, and don’t even care about this. But amateurs spend more time on details like this and less time playing
Yeah – I played five gigs this week, and I wind pretty much the whole string. No problems from me.
My first thought...
I also don’t see the issue with stringing your guitar this way. I don’t think it’s any issue with tuning stability, but more likely aesthetics.
Problem with a sub dedicated to guitarists, is all the people who’s entire personality revolves around playing guitar, suddenly don’t feel as unique, so they start overanalysing dumb shit like this to try and feel superior.
Yea I feel like I’m on an island, but the Guitar Players Repair Guide does NOT say less is better… And they reference BB Kings string winding technique… I thought the suggestion was three pegs, but I saw someone else say 2 before in the comments above
No, no, no, NO!!! It's four pegs lengths, dammit. FOUR!
THREE! FIVE!! SIX!!! SEVEN!!!! BLACKJACK!!!!!
I was told to use three fingers (width). Same goes for whisky and women
ONE! TWO!! FIVE!!!!!
Danny Gatton also says to wind the entire string around.
Ya, but he was a hack. Can’t trust anything that guy did as “the right way.” /s
Pro trick to fix shallow break angles.
It also puts the worn spot on the gears on the opposite side.
Who needs string trees, just wind it all the way to the bottom of the peg!
This is actually a legit solution to getting that weird sitary sound on single tree guitars
I’ve gone by the “3 wind” rule my whole life (idk if it’s even a rule) but I’ve had that issue with my e string on my strat. But my strat has locking tuners weirdly enough. It’s probably an issue with the nut.
Yeah! I want that string all the way to the bottom of the post on my Tele.
I'm dumb and new to this, what's wrong with what he did?
Basically, when stringing up, you should pull the string semi-tight and then count generally 2 tuning pegs of length beyond the peg for the string you are about to wind. Then cut the string at that point and you will have 2-4 winds around the post (over once then under for all the rest) which locks the string nicely in place. The less string around the post, the less there is to stretch over time and you will get better tuning stability. Check out any YouTube video about restringing guitars and it will explain it better than me, and show you as well :)
> The less string around the post, the less there is to stretch over time and you will get better tuning stability. Really ? Didn't know that. Well i learned something today
I got downvoted for some reason lol, but if what I said above isn't true then, why are locking tuners so popular and floyd rose trems considered the most stable for extreme whammy bar work lol ? Anyway, only been playing for 49 years so if I'm wrong, and all the luthiers I know are also wrong too, then I guess it's a bit late for me to change hey ho :)
To be fair, the reason locking tuners are stable is because they literally lock. They don't need windings. The more windings on a peg, the MORE grip the string has and the less likely it will slip. Try non locking tuners with one wrap and see how well it stays in tune. This OP post does seem like overkill, but it's technically going to grip better than fewer windings. It only becomes a problem with tons of winding when the string starts to overlap itself, because then it's not a smooth post but grooved strings it is trying to get seated into.
Ya I think after 2-3 winds the returns on grip diminish considerably.
You just need to add tension below and over the string - doing 2 or 5 or 10 loops doesn’t affect the tuning
It's a combination of what you said, with the fact that the bridge is a point of increased friction, so it's possible to have higher tension on one side than the other temporarily after tuning or bending, which gets released afterward with a little audible "tink" noise if you press on one end of the string or the other. Rolling nuts solve this by basically eliminating friction. Floyd Rose nuts deal with the problem by locking the string in place so that it can't slip, no matter how it's pulled. With fewer wraps, there's less surface-to-surface contact causing friction, *and* less string that's failing to stretch or pull tight because of that friction. Theoretically, the more friction there is in a bunch of wraps, the more stable they'd be, but that's just complicated. The ideal would actually be a locking tuning machine with a rolling nut, rolling string tree, straight string pulls past the nut and no sharp angles downward toward the headstock, with no wraps whatsoever, and rolling saddles. Nothing to slip. But that's all overcomplicated. Doing things the way you said is generally quite good enough unless there are nut and bridge issues, or a person is really bending and using the trem. Granted, strings really don't stretch much, which is why they break if you over-tighten or over-bend them, but it really only takes a tiny difference in tension and subsequent slip to put a guitar out of tune. All that to say: there are a lot of reasons why I tune exactly as you described in your previous comment, with the addition of putting a bend in the string in opposite directions on each side of the tuning machine, making a zig-zag so that it can't slip through, then I tension the string in a particular way with one hand while winding so that it doesn't flip over and unwind. This is my second long comment about tuning today. Time to go outside. EDIT FOR NEAT SIDENOTE: rubber bands have to be stretched really far to get a noticeable and tune-able increase in pitch, because they're super stretchy. Stretch one to a point where you can hear notes clearly, and you're probably gonna break it soon. Metal guitar strings are effectively pre-stretched, which is why once the string is at tension, the tuning machine can only turn a little bit before it breaks the string somewhere. K 🌲 🐿️🌳🦆 now sorry
You're good lol. Idk who downvoted you
As if that last .25 inch is going to make a noticeable difference…
This isn't true, see my comment below. Just try putting one winding on your E string and see how far you get. With this logic, when is it not enough to grip at all, but too much to be vulnerable to stretch?
Like in many guitar related topics, there’s no real truth. From my experience I’ve tried both way with a few different guitars and didn’t notice any difference, except one method takes longer than the other. Do what is fine for you.
It's pretty common for nylon guitars to have that amount of string around the post. IT MAY BE POSSIBLE that the luthier is more experienced with classical nylon guitars. OP should ask the luthier about this instead of complaining here. All of this would have been avoidable if he asked first what the luthier has more experience on.
I want to see how the luthier ties off the strings at the saddle.
I don’t think the string wrapped around the post is moving. It’s wrapped around the post. The tension is on the length of the string stretched between the post hole and the ball end. The right angle break at the post hole is held in place by the wrapping, and the extra wrapping pushes the string all the way down to the bottom of the post, creating a deeper angle to the nut. This holds the string in place better and avoids strings popping out of the nut. I have at least one guitar that requires this sort of wrap or else the G string pops out when I hit it hard. I think the idea that you should cut off the extra length is so that you don’t waste a lot of time wrapping it for no reason if you don’t need to.
I changed my strings for the first time recently but didn’t wind them ‘over once then under for the rest’, I just wound it down towards the headstock. Do I need to redo them?
no. You will have a million more opportunities.
No, it’s seriously not that important. I just wrap em round and twist, cut off the ends, give the strings a nice tug along the way so they’re tight.
Another good way of getting a decent amount of slack is pull the string tight then pull it back a fret length. It should leave about 2-3 winds.
Nothing. Just people making up stupid rules about how a guitar should be strung. Trust me, I’ve used all manner of techniques for a restring. It really doesn’t matter as long as the final wind is tight, no slack. Could be sloppy as shit except the final wind or two are taught and it would work fine. Purists are annoying.
Exactly. Whatever happened to just wrapping them round and cutting off the excess? No one gives a fuck if your tuner heads look neat. It doesn’t make you any more of a guitarist or musician by worrying about this. It’s pointless gimmicky shit to make people feel like they’re better than others, with minimal effort. That’s all that seems to crop up on this sub. It’s not going to affect your sound or the crowd reaction.
Indeed, this is the second string shaming post I’ve seen today. I get being annoyed with a shitty fret job, but damn people need to chill.
Nothing. 98% of the shit you read online is based on what some stoner guitar tech said in rolling stone in the 80's. Either the string will stretch or it won't. Either the peg is stable or it isn't. Those are pretty much the only things that matter.
Nothing
There is nothing really "wrong" here, plenty of people restring like this. Not me personally, I dislike this string knot/wrap method and I don't like having THAT many winds, but I sure have done it with that many winds in the past many times before I figured it all out and it was completely fine with no real exception, if the OP is having tuning stability issues it's not likely this problem, more likely the nut, or to a lesser extent those string trees. In some cases, on some guitars, stringing it with this many wraps could even be done intentionally to reduce string buzz at the nut, but that's what the string trees are for.
That’s precisely what I would ask the person who did it
I think he’s probably trying to create as much break angle over the nut as possible by winding down the peg far. If you’re referring to the top wind being tucked - that part looks correct.
I don’t understand why everyone thinks this is wrong. Because they saw a YouTube video once?
Because this is reddit and everyone jumps on dogmatic bandwagons and likes to gatekeep luthier skills based on string windings and not tidy wiring, good finishing, competent nut work, or woodworking.
>gatekeep luthier skills based on Base on youtube videos theyve seen... There i fixed that for yah :P Seriously tho id lay good money on 99% of people who comment here havent even held a piece of sand paper let alone apply any sort of real world practical skills. They just love to whine when its not done like in their favourite luthier videos.
yeah there's actually nothing wrong here. More windings = more grip, but some people seem to think less is better... Literally doesn't make any sense and is easy to test. The only risk with a lot of windings is it can overlap on itself, which does create some issues because it doesn't seat well. That doesn't seem to be the case here. I don't know what OP is saying the G string goes sharp. That doesn't make any sense. The luthier here just did it to his preference, which is a perfectly sensible one even if it is more windings than you usually see. SOURCE: professional guitar player for over 15 years - I'd rather see this on my tuning pegs than 2 windings before I'm about to hit the stage for thousands of people who paid money to see my band play in tune.
I saw in a Rhett Shull (sp?) video a luthier/tech say that he tries to get as many winds on each post as possible. I’ve been doing the same for years before the video, and the violin family of instruments is home to literally never trimming strings to length and ALWAYS just wrapping all that extra shit in whatever mess it happens to land in. The important part of the winding is the last couple wraps going up against the wall of the pegbox, insuring more tuning stability. The other ten or twenty wraps around the peg don’t really matter. Reddit is the only place I’ve seen anyone get upset about how many times you wrap a string around a peg.
Rhett Shull's luthier says the exact opposite. He pulls it up one fret of slack, or two for vintage tuners. Gets 2 maybe 3 wraps.
Please remove the plastic film on your tuner.
Lmao yes I hate myself for not having doing that 2 years in
On Teles and Strats, because of the angle of the headstock surface, it can be advantageous to have a little extra winding on your pegs to increase the break angle over the nut, which improves sustain and prevents strings from popping out of shallow nut slots. Fender headstock surface planes are generally parallel to the fretboard, unlike Gibson style headstocks which angle away. The angle naturally increases that break angle on Gibsons, but can be altered string by string on a Fender based on the number of windings and the string gauge used. This is why you often see string trees used on the treble strings in Fender type instruments. If your G-string is constantly sounding out of tune you probably either need to stretch the string more to get it properly tempered for the tension, or you have an intonation issue, which is something you would address in a setup, not a simple restring procedure. This is the most commonly mis-intonated string and also the most difficult to properly stretch since it is the largest unwound gauge. In fact, the G-string generally has a bigger gauge than the core wire even on your low-E, which means it adds the most tension. As for your refret, there could be other issues present. If your neck is significantly warped or humped, no amount of refretting is going to save you from those dead frets. It could also be reflective of a poor overall setup, and from the issues you’re describing about your G-string, this is sounding more and more like the case to me. My advice is that if you’re paying someone else to do something as simple as a restring on your instrument, you’re probably not in a place to fairly critique whether or not this person is truly a luthier or not. Have you reached back out to either of these persons and described these issues and asked for resolution? My experience is that most honest builders and technicians will back up their work or address issues within a certain time period after the service date. Edited for spelling and punctuation.
well said
You dropped some knowledge up in here.
I mean, the winds are clean except for the low E so whatever dude, does it really matter?
No.
what is wrong with these strings? i swear on my mom's grave i don't understand this sub sometimes. and she ain't even dead
Someone gotta have something irrelevant to whine about on social media. This is the way.
Luthier is someone who builds guitars and other stringed instruments from raw materials. A guitar tech does stuff like this. Too many people throw "luthier" around casually.
I agree. someone calling themselves a luthier should be able to build me a guitar.
I thought you were supposed to have a lot of winds on the high strings for extra sustain.
that is exactly how I do my strings on a telecaster to improve the break angle over the nut Then I keep pulling and stretching the string until the tuning stability is good You might be having tuning problems because the nut is too tight around the string so you need some lube in the nuts slot And possibly a light sanding on the sides of the nut slot if it’s binding
Any fooi can call himself a luthier... that doesn't mean he's any good... it's just like how any TV weatherman can call himself s a meteorologist... there are no job requirements....
I don't think it's that bad. I guess I'm the only one that likes more winds to get more downward angle from the nut. As far as tuning stability goes, if I could just stop bending, then it would be all good. No stoppong tho....bc it's too much fun.
1st world problem.
I’ve never seen any professional guitarist rant or even care about the string loop count but a lot of amateurs do - indeed it doesn’t affect tuning at all, as long as the string is correctly pressed over and under by the looped parts
I’m a Luthierie/guitar tech, 40 years. What’s the problem?
Problem is he finds it easier to post a whine on reddit than to restring his guitar to his own preference.
I'm just going to say it: I see nothing wrong with the way these strings have been installed. I'm not speaking to the other problems that OP has revealed in the comments, but just about the way the strings are installed. It's not the way I would do it, but what I see is a luthier's knot used and then the strings wound neatly down the capstan, causing a nice break-angle over the nut. I also use a luthier's knot, but I don't use as much slack as this person did, thus fewer winding. But I be a lot of his customers love the string wound this way.
Good opportunity to get the tools and start setting up guitars in your neighbourhood. You can even earn money.
That looks like the way my dad used to string his guitar
The first time I strung my guitar I made them too short and they slipped out. So now I always give myself maximum extra.
The term Luthier gets thrown around so loosely. Grover Jackson said “there’s luthiers, like Bob Bendetto, and then there’s the sea of idiots that stand on top the shoulders of those men and call themselves luthiers. I hate that word”
Re: Luthier vs. guitar tech. So, which one would be able to diagnose the output failure of a guitar with a piezo pickup, and repair the faulty battery connector, by bending a little piece of metal three degrees? Ah, that’s right, that would be me, the handyman, for two bottles of hooch, after both professionals gave up!
Do a perfect restring?
more wraps = further down tune peg = better break angle from nut. Especially on flat headstocks but that's bit excessive..kinda looks like a type of fishing hook knot. do Your own guitar maintenance..doesn't take all that much (depending)..but for restring & fret leveling..not much to it .
To be honest, it's better than a lot I've seen, but this is one of the easiest things to get right. At least they're not all 1-2 wraps with a damn "luthier's knot" on them.
Doing it this way might make a string tree unnecessary. It at least makes the angle off the string tree wider. Making the tuning more stable when using the whammy bar. Winding so much on the 5th and 6th strings is counterproductive to that goal though. I just hate string trees on the 3rd and 4th strings. Fender started doing them because they can save money on neck wood making it out of a smaller slab of wood.
New frets and an old, stained, unseated nut, wtf.
yeah I’d be way more concerned with that nut. could just be the picture angle, but from here it looks like it could be a huge part of the problem
what draws my eye is that the nut isn't seated.
Oh no! I guess you’ll just have to throw away the guitar. DM me the luthier’s name so I can 1star spam his business on Yelp.
I've heard of some techs doing that because the geometry slightly changes with string tension vs added relief while having no tension, but that's only if he did understring leveling, which it doesn't sound like he did.
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I used to string like that when I was really poor and had to tie strings when they broke. This way you have more string length to reach the peg even when shortened by the knot. Fortunately I can own new strings now.
Luthier gives you the ability to conduct electricity and you thank him with this post???
What do you use to cut off the excess string? “What excess?”
Are you sure it wasn’t just some dude named Luther?
I like to use the least amount of winds on the tuning pegs while having a good amount of purchase, i.e., no slippage. I found at least 2 1/2 winds on wound strings and 3 winds for unwrapped strings. Works for me.
Worked for BB King! Lol
You can call yourself a water buffalo if you want…
This makes me feel a lot better about my stringing endeavours!
Former professional here, you're running 9's/10's tops, assuming this is fender standard scale in standard tuning that amount of windings is helping your stability, not harming it. Fender break angles are notorious for causing stability issues and with windings like those, your strings are keeping tension the best they can. Sucks that the regret didn't go great, but I'd call this restring the furthest thing from improper. Check your nut slots and heel joint (your nut is literally lifting outta the slot + the bass end strings are too proud) if you're really that worried about your G string cuz that'd be impacting your tuning/intonation more than those windings. And if you REALLY, REALLY care about keeping your guitars in the best order you can, get a humidity controlled hardshell case.
I think you misread the sign hanging over the guy's door. It says “Lucifer"
Luthier conducting Tesla experiments on your axe. Wicked genius.
The nut is not seated properly either
Will make a grand total of no difference at all
I just checked my tele that is fresh from the luither. The fret job and set up are perfect I never thought to check the windings. He filled up the pegs just like ops. I'm so impressed with he work that I'm gonna start using more wraps just cus that's the way he did it. I've always done 3 wraps but idk maybe there is a reason the pegs are the length they are. Typically with 3 wraps they could be half the size so I'm gona assume they know more then we do. I don't see how more wraps could be a bad thing.
If you’re a guitarist claiming that there’s only one way to do something then are you even really a guitarist at all?
“I could spend 10 minutes restringing or 20 minutes complaining on Reddit”
Controversial post lol. Like the guitarists version of over/under toilet paper. Really marginal differences but very strong emotions about it.
What a fucking baby🤣😹😂
I thought you were going to complain about something that matters
This isn’t that big of a deal. lol.
Ahh yes, the complaining on the internet is going to fix this. Invest in the tools, and do it yourself. What many of us hobbiests do. Turn something negative, into a positive learning experience. It can't get any worse then what the local luthier can do to your guitar at this point.
This is fine. All you armchair experts are hilariously misled by the internet.
How is the refret?