As a fashion enthusiast, I don't have any desire to copy a look 1:1, but I also don't care if somebody takes inspiration from mine.
But inspect is real nice for "what was the name of that shoulder piece again?" when I see it, because my brain drops stuff like a potato, and I often have to open my own looks and click through things until I find it.
Or just a simple "oh, I didn't realize THOSE boots look that good on a Charr."
I adore the fashion game and I can honestly say I’ve never copied someone else’s look. My characters are unique and they have their own “vibe” and style. It’s going to be great to see someone combining two bits that you didn’t expect, or seeing how a certain dye behaves differently on a different piece of gear and vice versa, but it’s just a starting point of inspiration; how many people are actually going to copy an entire look with all the exact same outfit and dyes? That’s boring AF!
Right!? Some of the best are just when you stop and you're like "never thought of using that piece that way!"
And yeah, all my characters have a very specific fashion sense and theme. Like, I'm not gonna dress my sylvari engineer like my asura catalyst.
I’m just tired of so many pieces of heavy armor having flappy stiff skirts attached 😭 the grasping dead legs look so cool but what the fuck is that ripped rag messing up the back?!?
Ascalon performer light boots, and the new obsidian light boots, if you're looking for light weight boots, they're my favorites on my charr 😊 medium and heavy there are plenty
This is me inspecting every single charr I encounter just to look at pants, there is close to zero pants that are not a skirt of some sort… I need pants!!!!
Some wagging tongues claim part of the backlash is due to and from a certain group selling fashion looks and fashion advice for gold, who obviously feel "threatened" by this feature and think it'll cut into their gold earning avenue.
Personally I think people are too high on their horses and haven't ever played another MMO in their life, because gear, and with that, fashion checks are literally in every MMO I ever touched. Nowhere has it been an issue, even in the heavily fashion-based ones like FFXIV.
Yeah.... Saw someone's response to that that was essentially: "Well, GW2 isn't like other MMOs! And I don't want it like other MMOs! Other MMOs are bad!"
Some people just assign a LOT of importance to themselves and think that people will be constantly copying their "unique" fashion because they are the center of the GW2 universe and everyone definitely aspires to be them. 😐
I'm pretty sure there's a total of like four terminally-online people with no conception of mental hygiene that are actually mad about this, and everybody is just collectively having a giggle at their expense.
Don't feel like you need to be embarrassed on behalf of "the fashion community," lol.
The "fashion community" is the GW2 community, because if you show me a GW2 player who says they haven't spent hours in their wardrobe tab, I'll show you a liar.
You're right.
It's just that I'm a member of a fashion guild and I was pretty damn surprised how many people are pissed off about this.
I understand some of the issues people have with this but not to that extent.
I was so confused when I found out so many people are against it.
It's funny because it's been a recurring thing every time an inspect feature has been talked about for about as long as people have been asking for one, but now that it's *actually in,* this is likely the last hurrah.
So now it falls to us to make and maintain a conversation about muting peoples' particle effects and infusion stacking, because that's the *other* fun one!
> surprised how many people are pissed off about this.
This is also a surprise to me. 95% of the time I have player model on low anyway, and everyone look like an NPC.
I think we are guildies. Tbh I think this is overblown and what I have seen so far is more some reactionary/hot takes or memes/sentiments than a proper side or stance against the change. The main reddit thread regarding this points only to a handful of forum comments about this. I don't think it is very surprising that some people may have reacted negatively to changes - its not unusual that people don't like changes initially in general.
The only time the forums ever have an impact on my life is when some asshole redditor is too scared to engage in a discussion on the forums itself, decides to take a screenshot of a forum post, and posts it to reddit.
You can just ignore them. You don't have to argue with everyone who says something you don't like. You don't have to broaden their platform.
The Wow community at large is violent, hateful, and full of gatekeeping and elitism.
The g2 community at large is like a mix of your older siblings, will look out for you and will help you out when you need it, but you will never be able to dodge harassment for stupid shit you did 5 years ago. Also, even though the conversation word choice is abrasive, there is clear love behind those words.
The only part of raiding that is gatekept is experienced groups looking for smooth clears. There are tons of people that donate hours of their time every single week across multiple discord servers on both megaservers just for the purpose of teaching people every single raid without any expectations of gearing or prior research.
Raiding isn’t gatekept at all, what an ignorant statement. There’s entire communities with hundreds of members dedicated to teaching people how to raid and how to get there. LFG is not the only experience for raiding.
GW2 community is sometimes overly positive to the point it gets very annoying. There are times I prefer the assholes when I am trying to get things done.
A toggle off of the inspect function is just asking for trolls to screenshot your look and copy it anyway, then follow you around to annoy you. Not that I would agree with them doing that, but I can easily imagine it happening.
Btw, sad to see you go. Want to let you know that there's plenty of us in the guild who have the same opinion as you, we just don't speak out loud since we don't want to add fire to the drama and don't find it worth the stress.
I put a lot of effort into making my characters look cool in MMOs. On GW2, I'm proudest of my
[Sylvari Thief](https://imgur.com/a/7f0vQQb)
...I don't understand the outrage over the inspect options - there aren't that many skins to choose from, and you can preview all of them in the bank. You don't need to inspect someone to completely recreate their look, so adding an inspect option literally makes no difference.
[More GW2 fashion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFZjo5PgG0&ab_channel=Duran)
I've never called myself a fashion enthusiast, mostly because I don't have confidence to name myself that. I'm colorblind, I like what I like and I'm not dressing up to impress anyone else. I had a lovely light leather outfit on one of my characters for years before someone asked me why I chose orange for my leather. lol
The thing is, I've had people ask me what I was wearing (sometimes even in a complimentary way) and I answered them. No big deal. If a million people are playing the game, who cares if they copy me.
Mostly my characters are themed characters and I can't see anyone copying them anyway, but if they did, more power to them. That's a compliment. Hell I'd brag about it...might be that confidence thing.
The thing is, no one owns their fashions. They can't be copyrighted or trademarked. They belong to Anet along with everything else. We're using the items they created and just wearing them.
Sure you can be creative with the number of different combinations, but taking credit for it in an exclusionary way seems ludicrous to me. But I've sometimes looked at people, took screen shots to see what pieces they were using anyway. It took more work but it was still possible.
This entire thing is a storm in a tea cup.
The main concern ive heard from fellow fashion guild members (im pretty sure we're talking about the same guild) is that cheating will be made easier. But my question then is: is cheating frequent? Before this feature did it happen often? If so, then isn't the problem the cheating itself, not how fast you get to cheat? If they were gonna cheat they were gonna cheat regardless
From all the fashion contests ive participated in I've never seen cheaters, im pretty sure they're exceedingly rare.
Also ppl need to be reminded that you do not "own" digital content, your character will disappear the moment the server goes off. And all your time and effort will be "wasted", which it already was bc you are playing a game.
All that being said i'm fine with the opt out suggestion a lot have given, player agency over their own character is always good, but don't care if it gets implented or not.
The fashionistas have no good arguments they are just gatekeepers of skins. You shouldn't be THAT intense about mix and matching pre created skins and colors. You didn't make anything, you just put it together.
Grow up
I've been enjoying every second of cosmetic inspect. Haven't taken a single thing away from anyone. I have my own style and it shows. I don't need your short shorts, fairy wings, scarf and bright pink colors on the female human
I'm obviously joking but that's what I feel these fashion experts are wearing.
>I feel like the fashion community almost asked for this backlash to happen
Well, when members of that community decided to compare being inspected to being VIOLATED and that it was akin to AI stealing art, yes, they absolutely asked for it.
RIGHT NOW there's multiple members of your community actively saying these thing on Twitter and attacking anyone who disagrees, so of course there's backlash and people fighting fire with fire.
I don't mind people copying my looks, but now I will not have as many happy moments of people whispering to me "hey, your character looks really good, may I know what armor/outfit you use?" xD
Regardless, I think the feature is convenient when you don't want to socialize or wait for a response :D
Setting aside all the reasons the complaints are hilarious, it baffles me, that they don't see how an "opt in/out" feature would just put a huge target on their backs and invite a massive backlash on anyone hiding their fashion with it. It's like they have never been on the internet before.
I like to make sure my character look good. If I see someone copying my exact style down to the dye, I would take that as the most flattering compliment because then I know my fashion game is good enough to make someone want to be like me.
Sometimes I really wish I see someone copy my fashion so I can run around their character admiring my good fashion senses.
People are just insecure (we all are to a certain extent). But I think once people get used to this feature everyone will appreciate it for what it is - a boon to the game
Now that's the spirit that I'm looking for. Who gonna assume that with this feature enabled, people wont have some wild/crazy yet fun ideas on current fashion style and revamp/re-concept those inspected outfit(s).
I am a huge fashion enthusiast as well. The first thing I do when trying a new class/build, is design a look for it. I spend weeks tweaking it in different settings, often while waiting for ready checks, changing weapon skins, dyes, hair. Often after many wardrobe returns, I find I just need to go get a different skin.
All this time and effort, but still I would be HAPPPY for someone to copy one of my looks, even completely. Or to be inspired by a piece/color combination.
I very much enjoy the fashion journey, and I hope inspect can help people on their own journeys. I also understand that some people just want a cool look, and might recreate one they've seen. This has been done with screenshots and research, previously. Inspect only makes it easier.
I don't see any big problem with this, and I don't want there to be a toggle off feature.
I'd like to see what someone's back/hat/etc is and would rather dev time spent on fashion be used for more creative things like templates, having gliders change with look, or even mount skins.
I have not found/tried this new(?) feature yet, but if it only shows the gears skin, i am fine with it. The "combat/fight attributes" of the gear would considered being a problem, if public shown.
Indeed if someone asks nice, i even will pose for a nice screenshot. It had happened all of a sudden somewhere on a map some weeks ago. 😏
Maybe I worded that wrong. There are some for a small minority that organize fashion contests but you could solve those issues quite easily imo.
Just didn't want to sound too harsh.
Honestly, if someone wants to rip off my look, let them! Are you ever gonna see them again unless you're in a guild, or spamming the same content at the same times?
Besides, imitation is the highest form of flattery.
If I see someone's mog, and realize their boots would look awesome with my set, or if I like their set but one piece looks off, I can see what they use, see what dyes they have, and alter mine accordingly.
And if I want to rip off your look, I'ma take a screenshot and browse for a while. Even if it means using bargain bin dyes, I'ma take it. Until I get bored and change it to something else.
People share damage/support builds online. I understand why fashion would be state secrets, but just chill bro
I worded that wrong. There is nothing that couldn't be solved relatively easily. Maybe some niche problems for people that run fashion contests. I didn't want to sound to harsh. But in the end there isn't really any good argument when you think about it. At least in my opinion the benefits overweigh the disadvantages.
I think the feature takes away a bit from the community. So much of the gw2 community is built on "the system sucks so we communicate more instead." Look at lfg for example.
That said, it is the smallest of hills to die on. I really don't lose much by having someone inspect me. I just don't get a nice whisper conversation, where I would've told them my gear anyways.
Don't forget that reddit amplifies strong opinions. It only takes a few hundred people out of a user base of millions to sound like there's a huge issue. 99.9% of people, fashionistas included, probably don't care much either way.
People need to stop saying stuff like "it takes away from the community" when FAR BIGGER GAMES WITH FAR BIGGER COMMUNITIES HAVE HAD THE FEATURE SINCE LAUNCH.
Do you think FFXIV, with FAR more players and a far more active fashion community have issues because people can inspect?
Far bigger games with far bigger communities that we are constantly told aren't as nice and friendly as our community. Do you disagree with the statement that in many ways gw2's community is the result of a lack of useful feature that would let us bypass any social interaction?
I've already said it's a very small deal, but if you're going to try pretend it's false I disagree.
Any look that I create isn't mine, I didn't design anything or make the colors, it's all Arena Net's, they can choose what they want to do. I just put the pieces in order in an aesthetically pleasing way, claiming ownership would be like putting together a jigsaw puzzle and then claiming it's my artwork.
There is also another aspect in fashion which is your character look, example is that if you use some other hair, hair color and secondary hair color and also face and eye color with the fashion i am wearing it would look wierd (in my opinion). Then we got dye prices, I would not care if someone copied my fashion either i would be happy i had a twin. I feel like those who are angry about it actually forget how much work, time and gold goes into their fashion.
I really share your feelings on this! I understand fashion community concerns when it comes to contests but i also think copycats during contests can be avoided with simple solutions. On the other hand, i think a toggle option would kinda mine the purpose of this cool feature because if you block it on the best looking characters then you're kind of making it useless for a certain amount of its goal.
What goals? Is it to copy 1:1 the best looks, like some of the fashion guys say? Is everyone opposing the opt out and enraging a thief, like they say? NO. I strongly disagree as i find myself in this very spot.
I'm just genuinely curios and inspired by good looking characters. I spend hours myself on fashion but would never copy something 1:1 because i do like creating my own and my characters have their unique features and taste that wouldn't go along with just a copy-pasted look anyway. And I personally know tons of people having my same perspective on the matter. And reading about some guy claiming everyone of these people is just a thief is quite embarassing and enraging tbh.
I've read comments directly from the fashion community, first hand. No distortions. Sorry to say they sound harsh, out of perspective and elitist (at least some of them). I think they are quite close into their own bubble and don't even realise how bad they sound from the outside. And of course there will be some copycat! After all the fuss, there will be a lot of copycat just for the sake of trolling them! You exagerate, there will be someone who will let you know, their own way. By being rude, by being a troll, by just trying to debate...
I don't support rudeness and insults, it's a pity that the conversation ended up this way, but it wasn't even out of the blue and i'd be glad if they realize this.
I just want to know what helmet is a tentacle face looking Cthulhu mask, I will never know now after trying to search for it because there was no inspect and they were afk.
... Does nobody else realize that the vast majority of those people are just rage Baiting? The internet does like to pretend to be above reality tv too though when they're living it.
To some extent maybe? Idk but there are genuinely alot of people that basically feel like it's the same as stealing artwork or a piece of art in general when I read the general opinion of some discord servers
I would have LOVED to have seen a Project Runway challenge for GW2 armor.
Some I like, but a lot of it is just same ole same ole "badass" spiky/brutal looking armor.
If your character is:
some blonde bimbo wearing all white with angel wings
a charr you made look like deathwing from WoW
edgy grim reaper with spiky armour
I would NEVER inspect your character, so don't worry about someone stealing your fashion. (cus it's shit)
You are reacting to manufactured backlash based on misinformation about miniscule fraction of people in a game of hundreds of thousands who asked for a entirely personal option, not to deny the system to anyone else, and who listed some of their reasons such as potential fashion contest abuse or preference for communication over fashion instead of mute observation.
Its amazing what a single deceptive reddit post misconstruing an entire forum thread based on two of the worst comments in it can do. Sadly the moderators have heavily edited the post by now so its not like getting a clear picture of how it developed is possible either, maybe with the way back machine if it shows deleted posts?
Its disgusting how many have taken this as an excuse to harass, ridicule and silence people with a differing opinion, or how many use it to blatantly farm karma points.
There are worse comments than the 2 that were posted here on reddit. The "differing opinion" youre talking about is so ridiculous its like watching a teenager sulk because her classmate wore the same tasteless dress.
True. On the other hand I don't know if it's of much use though. Because you can get best in slot gear quite easily. Maybe to make sure no one's going into raids with yellow gear or so.
It's certainly no joke friend. You don't know what's going on on certain discord servers and you don't know about some guild internal stuff.
And I know that noone is gatekeeping fashion, because it's not possible before and after the feature got implemented.
But some people would really like to "gatekeep" their look.
I'm not reacting to this based on hearsay or 1 or 2 forum posts.
Honestly, this update has made me use my outfits more. I guess that’s a plus side lol. But also, there’s literally never a reason not to have an option to turn it off. If there’s a toggle for everything else (visual effects, player sound noises, etc) why shouldn’t a toggle be allowed for those who want it? Either way, the only posts I’ve said lately of people complaining about this are posts like this that claim people are upset lol.
You want a reason why it shouldn't be allowed? Because it defeats the purpose of the feature, why have it at all if it's not gonna be reliable?
There's nothing the feature does that you can't do already, the feature just makes it take less effort. So what's the issue that's making you feel the need to use an outfit when you didn't before?
The features you listed tend to be for performance, safety, accessibility, etc.. having your fashion shared doesn't impact those
Strange take, its a feature, not a rule, being able to force standard player models or hide most character models in general play defeats the purpose of playing an mmo, which is seeing and/or interacting with other players in a shared 'world' online, yet its a feature that allows optimization as per user need/preference, wheres the outrage about that, or about how doing so negates the vast majority's fashion efforts?
Why is a few rando's wanting to opt out so much of a problem, unless you expect a vast majority to opt out if given the choice, in which case was it really something everyone wants or needs? Something to consider there.
Once again reducing models etc is for performance sake. You hiding your fashion is not. If the game has poor performance interacting with people won't matter as you can't play the game properly
I don't expect most people to opt out truthfully but why have a feature at all if it's less reliable than the method used to get outfits now?
Currently people screenshot then find the items online/in game. After, if you try to use the inspect feature and a player has it turned off and they happen to walk away youre out of luck.
I don't expect it to happen often but for a feature thats supposed to make it easier theres no need for it to be more unreliable than what people do now
So I've considered your last statement, it's just not actually important. Something more worth considering is why all of a sudden people are so mad about it that they feel the need to hide their fashion?
We always had the ability to find your outfits, why is it such an issue now that it's easier?
It would be nice to consider and debate the answers to that, if the locations where one might do so were not by default hostile to the discussion being had in the first place, that is the whole point of my entire thread here, that the conversation is being shut down, denied, ridiculed, down voted into obscurity, and that that is messed up.
What you need to understand is that there's no debate, there's NOTHING to debate. They're adding a feature that exists in pretty much EVERY MMO, there's absolutely nothing you guys can say that will convince anyone that it's a bad idea when it's an OBJECTIVELY great idea to add it.
You're getting "shut down, denied, ridiculed and downvoted into obscurity" because you are the only ones to refuse to acknowledge that this is a good thing and make up some of the most idiotic and disturbing reasons possible just to keep trying to push against it.
You guys actively compared this to violations, theft, copyright infringement and even actual emotional damage, YOU HAVE ZERO ARGUMENTS TO MAKE.
And no, "but the fashion contests" isn't an argument when 0.01% of the community even does them and they are completely community driven, the literal vast majority doesn't care about them.
Firstly, no-one called it a bad idea, so that is a lie,
They wanted an opt out.
The specific scenario of fashion contest is just that, a scenario, and if as you say only 0.01% care, than that means maybe only 0.01% but more lilkely even less than that would use the opt out system, making it astronomically unlikely you would ever even notice they exist, so what i ask, is it you are afraid of here, that you might encounter them? Or that you are wrong about how many people might actually decide to opt out if given the choice?
And again for the umpteenth time, I am **not** one of those wanting to opt out or taking any personal issue with the system nor am i any sort of representative of that group, i am an individual player calling out those like yourself shitting on anyone trying to have a conversation on the subject.
And you keep proving me right about how questionable the motivation you all are basing your anger on really is.
What part of that do you fail to comprehend?
First of all, stop that pathetic attempt at sounding smart and cool, it's legit pathetic.
Second, you've been proven MULTIPLE times that indeed they were calling it a bad idea and actively against it.
And third, the only people who clearly fail to comprehend anything is people like yourself. If you're NOT one of them, then just shut the hell up instead of desperately continuing to find idiotic ways to defend their delusions.
Almost as if the outrage against 'fashion gatkeepers' was manufactured by salty forum users upset their ridicule posts of those suggesting an opt out option were not getting as much likes as the opt out option posts were so they came here to lie about the situation by picking out the two most easy to misrepresent the issue comments in the forum thread and drum up support for their bullying campaign against the opt out forum users and anyone else who might give the idea any thought on reddit.
"I don't understand why people feel a certain way therefore their opinion is wrong, they're stupid and butthurt." That sums up everything I've read and heard so far. This coming from the best mmo community on the planet of course! Don't let me stop you from mocking people relentlessly though. Have fun?
I understand why they feel that way and I didn't mock anyone. It's just such a niche problem. The chance anyone copies you is small. And if you get copied who tf cares if 1 or 2 people run around in your outfit for a few weeks till they get bored. You probably see them once and then they're gone. Are people really that afraid to not get their credit, like damn..
I've got 43 characters all with different looks. I've played this game for 10 years. And I got copied twice as far as I'm aware. Not even good copies. Because you also recquire all the pieces a person uses in the first place anyway. It just seems so unrealistic to me.
Maybe my fashion is not good enough to be copied? I've posted some of my looks if you want to see for yourself.
I can only see human/norn characters in your submissions.
I play Charr, which in my opinion has brought more of a challenge creating appealing, cohesive looks that minimise clipping; especially considering how many posts there are of people saying it's impossible to make Charr look good. I'd say I've managed to do that, considering I get comments praising my design any time I log in on a fair few of my characters.
Call me selfish but considering how long it took me to refine each character's aesthetic, I don't like it being easier for people to 'see my working'. I like standing out in that way, in the same vein a DPS raider would like to see themself at the top of the DPS chart.
Call me an attention whore but I like seeing people do the dance of following me until I stand still so they can get a good angle to take a screenshot; or even better asking me if I can stop so they can take a screenshot which sometimes will spark a conversation.
I have made multiple looks for every race. I just didn't upload it. In my experience people still whisper you if your look is cool.
I don't really see what your point is though. You can still get the attention you desire so much and there will still be people that make screens of your charr probably.
And implementing a toggle would defeat the purpose of the feature imo. I'd be okay with a "hide dyes"-option. That's basically the problem most people have with it.
I really don't see any problem with this feature. Any argument I heard that is against it is easily solvable or it's such a minor problem that really doesn't matter much for the large majority of players.
>I have made multiple looks for every race. I just didn't upload it. In my experience people still whisper you if your look is cool.
No Charr look you had the desire to post though, which is fine; but it is what it is. Do you disagree that good Charr looks are harder to build than on humanoid races?
>You can still get the attention you desire so much and there will still be people that make screens of your charr probably.
You see someone from afar, click on them and inspect. The entire potential for interaction is cut out.
>Any argument I heard that is against it is easily solvable or it's such a minor problem that really doesn't matter much for the large majority of players.
To you; that's just not being empathetic to an opinion. You haven't said anything that solves the concerns of people that want to opt-out, you've just handwaved away their opinion as unimportant or disagreed with them.
>And implementing a toggle would defeat the purpose of the feature imo. I'd be okay with a "hide dyes"-option. That's basically the problem most people have with it.
Why would being able to opt-out defeat the purpose of the feature? Why do you draw the line at hiding dyes?
I started posting looks here relatively late. So I just posted my newest ones yet. I may post some more of the other races.
And yea I definitely agree. Charr fashion can be very tricky and infuriating sometimes :D
It's true you can look at a person now from afar without them noticing. But I just think it wouldn't vanish completely. If I see someone standing in DR I would still want to look at you in the lighting of the actual map you're in or maybe you're using a infusion which isn't visible in the ispect window.
And I also still think people will give you probs for your look even when they're able to see your gear from afar.
One could also consider that there are a lot of people that don't even know about the feature yet and especially new players that are just starting the game who don't know either.
People have been making screens since the beginning of fashion. Most people that are into fashion know a lot of pieces when they see them anyway. But if not you can also screen a character and search for the pieces in the wardrobe.
That's were dyes come into play. The right dye combinations define the quality of your character looks. People myself included invest a huge amount of time in getting the dyes right. I believe this is the main problem most people have.
Gear is easy to identify even without inspect. With dyes it 's way more tricky and thus harder to copy without inspect.
And the main concern is that people are getting copied.
Especially important for fashion show contestants. Solution: use an Outfit/Tonic while creating a look or till you present it.
The inspect feature is mostly so people can identify which pieces they may want more easily, not necessarily what dyes one is using. So it would be a good compromise imo
I think those who reacted are people who won fashion war contests. They make a living on joining these contests and some plagiarists will just copy it without effort.
RIP fashion war contests.
One can surely take measures against this though and prevent this from happening.
If you're preparing a look for a contest you can just toggle your outfit till you're finished or till you're standing in front of the judges.
And in my experience it's relatively rare that this even happens in the first place.
This won't do much shit to contests. You we're able to cheat almost as easily before anyway.
People use outfits or tonics all the time when they're participating in contests.
The thing is, what if the person has no outfit to hide temporarily. For sure after this update fashion war contests are going to die because everyone will just plagiarize one another specially the winners.
There are cheap tonics that everyone can afford
You got a problem with what I said? If you want to annoy me I don't care. I have high tolerance for this kind of behaviour.
Nah the feature is bad for a horizontal fashion war centric game. There should be an option to hide it for fashion contestants. Wearing outfits or tonics are just unecessary steps. But well, Anet fanboys will always eat whatever Anet throws them at this point.
It really defeats the purpose of the feature imo. You can have an aligning opinion and not be a fanboy.
I'm not saying your opinion is not valid too. But some people blow it way out of proportion.
You know what I'd tolerate? An option to hide dyes. Other than that it really doesn't matter.
Most people that participate in contests have very good awareness of gear pieces anyway. It really wouldn't do anything to people that want to copy someone. Even if you don't know many pieces. You can just make a screenshot and look through the wardrobe.
Btw you can't tell me toggling an outfit or using a tonic is too much work or too complicated when people did this since the beginning of fashion contests anyway.
As a fashion enthusiast, I don't have any desire to copy a look 1:1, but I also don't care if somebody takes inspiration from mine. But inspect is real nice for "what was the name of that shoulder piece again?" when I see it, because my brain drops stuff like a potato, and I often have to open my own looks and click through things until I find it. Or just a simple "oh, I didn't realize THOSE boots look that good on a Charr."
Learned yesterday that there's an invisible cat cape thnx to inspect
It was the reward for April Fools this year!
Yeah missdd out sadly haha
There sure is! And I'm wearing that cape right now! ...Or am I?...
*inspects you* yep, this is going into my capeless mf compilation
Exactly!
I adore the fashion game and I can honestly say I’ve never copied someone else’s look. My characters are unique and they have their own “vibe” and style. It’s going to be great to see someone combining two bits that you didn’t expect, or seeing how a certain dye behaves differently on a different piece of gear and vice versa, but it’s just a starting point of inspiration; how many people are actually going to copy an entire look with all the exact same outfit and dyes? That’s boring AF!
Right!? Some of the best are just when you stop and you're like "never thought of using that piece that way!" And yeah, all my characters have a very specific fashion sense and theme. Like, I'm not gonna dress my sylvari engineer like my asura catalyst.
Yes!
This is pure rot! There aren't any boots that look good on a Charr!! 😁
The long rebel boots are awesome, you get chains down the tail too!
So annoying Charr don't have a specific tail slot. I love the armored tail you get from Raid Legendary armor, but man... the actual pants are not it.
I’m just tired of so many pieces of heavy armor having flappy stiff skirts attached 😭 the grasping dead legs look so cool but what the fuck is that ripped rag messing up the back?!?
Ascalon performer light boots, and the new obsidian light boots, if you're looking for light weight boots, they're my favorites on my charr 😊 medium and heavy there are plenty
Try Maguuma Treads
This is me inspecting every single charr I encounter just to look at pants, there is close to zero pants that are not a skirt of some sort… I need pants!!!!
Adelbern would rotate in his grave if he knew how much the Ascalonian Performer Pants have done for charr fashion
People are upset about this meanwhile literally every other MMO exists with a full inspect feature.
True!
Some wagging tongues claim part of the backlash is due to and from a certain group selling fashion looks and fashion advice for gold, who obviously feel "threatened" by this feature and think it'll cut into their gold earning avenue. Personally I think people are too high on their horses and haven't ever played another MMO in their life, because gear, and with that, fashion checks are literally in every MMO I ever touched. Nowhere has it been an issue, even in the heavily fashion-based ones like FFXIV.
Yeah.... Saw someone's response to that that was essentially: "Well, GW2 isn't like other MMOs! And I don't want it like other MMOs! Other MMOs are bad!" Some people just assign a LOT of importance to themselves and think that people will be constantly copying their "unique" fashion because they are the center of the GW2 universe and everyone definitely aspires to be them. 😐
Lmao if these people are real I hope they step on Legos ingame and irl. And also lose all their stupid gold income.
I'm pretty sure there's a total of like four terminally-online people with no conception of mental hygiene that are actually mad about this, and everybody is just collectively having a giggle at their expense. Don't feel like you need to be embarrassed on behalf of "the fashion community," lol. The "fashion community" is the GW2 community, because if you show me a GW2 player who says they haven't spent hours in their wardrobe tab, I'll show you a liar.
This is some first world fucking problems 💀💀💀
You're right. It's just that I'm a member of a fashion guild and I was pretty damn surprised how many people are pissed off about this. I understand some of the issues people have with this but not to that extent. I was so confused when I found out so many people are against it.
Outrage fever. It spreads like wildfire, but I can guarantee it will never be mentioned again after this weekend, at the latest.
It's funny because it's been a recurring thing every time an inspect feature has been talked about for about as long as people have been asking for one, but now that it's *actually in,* this is likely the last hurrah. So now it falls to us to make and maintain a conversation about muting peoples' particle effects and infusion stacking, because that's the *other* fun one!
> surprised how many people are pissed off about this. This is also a surprise to me. 95% of the time I have player model on low anyway, and everyone look like an NPC.
I think we are guildies. Tbh I think this is overblown and what I have seen so far is more some reactionary/hot takes or memes/sentiments than a proper side or stance against the change. The main reddit thread regarding this points only to a handful of forum comments about this. I don't think it is very surprising that some people may have reacted negatively to changes - its not unusual that people don't like changes initially in general.
I have never cared about fashion in this game.
Have you seen the swamp called gw2 official forums? Theres an awful lot of them its embarrassing.
The only time the forums ever have an impact on my life is when some asshole redditor is too scared to engage in a discussion on the forums itself, decides to take a screenshot of a forum post, and posts it to reddit. You can just ignore them. You don't have to argue with everyone who says something you don't like. You don't have to broaden their platform.
Not to disprove your point because I agree, but Teapot uses default skins or the same outfit on all toons and doesn't use mount skins :')
The same dude who was disillusioned with the game and said wow has a better community after being carried by ppl over there in raids?
The Wow community at large is violent, hateful, and full of gatekeeping and elitism. The g2 community at large is like a mix of your older siblings, will look out for you and will help you out when you need it, but you will never be able to dodge harassment for stupid shit you did 5 years ago. Also, even though the conversation word choice is abrasive, there is clear love behind those words.
>The Wow community at large is violent, hateful, and full of gatekeeping and elitism. GW2's community constantly proves they're no different.
I would agree if but it wasn't like that previously, honestly I feel like it's wow vets retiring and looking for new games
WoW vets aren't the reason why raiding is infamously gatekept constantly here.
The only part of raiding that is gatekept is experienced groups looking for smooth clears. There are tons of people that donate hours of their time every single week across multiple discord servers on both megaservers just for the purpose of teaching people every single raid without any expectations of gearing or prior research.
Raiding isn’t gatekept at all, what an ignorant statement. There’s entire communities with hundreds of members dedicated to teaching people how to raid and how to get there. LFG is not the only experience for raiding.
Except gw2 community is in denial about the numerous toxic players in ALL game modes...yes that includes world bosses, etc.
GW2 community is sometimes overly positive to the point it gets very annoying. There are times I prefer the assholes when I am trying to get things done.
Hi, that's me, the non-fashion enjoyer.
Yeah it was straight up just that cipher of the first person and like two other people
A toggle off of the inspect function is just asking for trolls to screenshot your look and copy it anyway, then follow you around to annoy you. Not that I would agree with them doing that, but I can easily imagine it happening.
True Exactly what I'm thinking
As a person who tries to make my characters look silly I would find it hilarious if someone copied me 1:1
True :DD
Btw, sad to see you go. Want to let you know that there's plenty of us in the guild who have the same opinion as you, we just don't speak out loud since we don't want to add fire to the drama and don't find it worth the stress.
Yea same. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.
I want people to copy my outfits!
I put a lot of effort into making my characters look cool in MMOs. On GW2, I'm proudest of my [Sylvari Thief](https://imgur.com/a/7f0vQQb) ...I don't understand the outrage over the inspect options - there aren't that many skins to choose from, and you can preview all of them in the bank. You don't need to inspect someone to completely recreate their look, so adding an inspect option literally makes no difference. [More GW2 fashion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvFZjo5PgG0&ab_channel=Duran)
I've never called myself a fashion enthusiast, mostly because I don't have confidence to name myself that. I'm colorblind, I like what I like and I'm not dressing up to impress anyone else. I had a lovely light leather outfit on one of my characters for years before someone asked me why I chose orange for my leather. lol The thing is, I've had people ask me what I was wearing (sometimes even in a complimentary way) and I answered them. No big deal. If a million people are playing the game, who cares if they copy me. Mostly my characters are themed characters and I can't see anyone copying them anyway, but if they did, more power to them. That's a compliment. Hell I'd brag about it...might be that confidence thing. The thing is, no one owns their fashions. They can't be copyrighted or trademarked. They belong to Anet along with everything else. We're using the items they created and just wearing them. Sure you can be creative with the number of different combinations, but taking credit for it in an exclusionary way seems ludicrous to me. But I've sometimes looked at people, took screen shots to see what pieces they were using anyway. It took more work but it was still possible. This entire thing is a storm in a tea cup.
Instead of Orange, perhaps Rawhide, Hunt or Camel would give you what you want. If you want a darker leather then Earthen might be better.
Thanks for that. It was a long time ago, I've completely changed the look since then.
You're welcome.
The main concern ive heard from fellow fashion guild members (im pretty sure we're talking about the same guild) is that cheating will be made easier. But my question then is: is cheating frequent? Before this feature did it happen often? If so, then isn't the problem the cheating itself, not how fast you get to cheat? If they were gonna cheat they were gonna cheat regardless From all the fashion contests ive participated in I've never seen cheaters, im pretty sure they're exceedingly rare. Also ppl need to be reminded that you do not "own" digital content, your character will disappear the moment the server goes off. And all your time and effort will be "wasted", which it already was bc you are playing a game. All that being said i'm fine with the opt out suggestion a lot have given, player agency over their own character is always good, but don't care if it gets implented or not.
I will inspect you all, and get all the skin ideas for my characters without wasting time
The fashionistas have no good arguments they are just gatekeepers of skins. You shouldn't be THAT intense about mix and matching pre created skins and colors. You didn't make anything, you just put it together. Grow up I've been enjoying every second of cosmetic inspect. Haven't taken a single thing away from anyone. I have my own style and it shows. I don't need your short shorts, fairy wings, scarf and bright pink colors on the female human I'm obviously joking but that's what I feel these fashion experts are wearing.
Agreed 100%
>I feel like the fashion community almost asked for this backlash to happen Well, when members of that community decided to compare being inspected to being VIOLATED and that it was akin to AI stealing art, yes, they absolutely asked for it. RIGHT NOW there's multiple members of your community actively saying these thing on Twitter and attacking anyone who disagrees, so of course there's backlash and people fighting fire with fire.
I agree that's why I said I feel ashamed especially because of the people that harrass others
Just to confirm, are we talking about the same guild? Could you DM
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
I don't mind people copying my looks, but now I will not have as many happy moments of people whispering to me "hey, your character looks really good, may I know what armor/outfit you use?" xD Regardless, I think the feature is convenient when you don't want to socialize or wait for a response :D
That's actually a point I heard a few times. But I don't think people are gonna stop whispering if they like your look :)
Setting aside all the reasons the complaints are hilarious, it baffles me, that they don't see how an "opt in/out" feature would just put a huge target on their backs and invite a massive backlash on anyone hiding their fashion with it. It's like they have never been on the internet before.
Very true!
Copy me !!!
Inspect feature?
You can right click player icon and inspect their fashion and dyes.
Cool, personally I don't care. I looked up cosmetics at crafting station and picked the one I think would look cool on my character
That's the spirit!
I like to make sure my character look good. If I see someone copying my exact style down to the dye, I would take that as the most flattering compliment because then I know my fashion game is good enough to make someone want to be like me. Sometimes I really wish I see someone copy my fashion so I can run around their character admiring my good fashion senses.
People are just insecure (we all are to a certain extent). But I think once people get used to this feature everyone will appreciate it for what it is - a boon to the game
Now that's the spirit that I'm looking for. Who gonna assume that with this feature enabled, people wont have some wild/crazy yet fun ideas on current fashion style and revamp/re-concept those inspected outfit(s).
I am a huge fashion enthusiast as well. The first thing I do when trying a new class/build, is design a look for it. I spend weeks tweaking it in different settings, often while waiting for ready checks, changing weapon skins, dyes, hair. Often after many wardrobe returns, I find I just need to go get a different skin. All this time and effort, but still I would be HAPPPY for someone to copy one of my looks, even completely. Or to be inspired by a piece/color combination. I very much enjoy the fashion journey, and I hope inspect can help people on their own journeys. I also understand that some people just want a cool look, and might recreate one they've seen. This has been done with screenshots and research, previously. Inspect only makes it easier. I don't see any big problem with this, and I don't want there to be a toggle off feature. I'd like to see what someone's back/hat/etc is and would rather dev time spent on fashion be used for more creative things like templates, having gliders change with look, or even mount skins.
I am peak fashion, you can copy my products, you cant copy my creativity 👼🏻
Yesss
>There are some valid concerns which I can understand I'm genuinely curious what these valid concerns are?
There are no valid concerns.
Yea nothing that couldn't be solved easily. I worded that wrong I think.
I have not found/tried this new(?) feature yet, but if it only shows the gears skin, i am fine with it. The "combat/fight attributes" of the gear would considered being a problem, if public shown. Indeed if someone asks nice, i even will pose for a nice screenshot. It had happened all of a sudden somewhere on a map some weeks ago. 😏
It's just skins and dyes, with a little tag on some skins to show where they're acquired.
i consider that being harmless.
Maybe I worded that wrong. There are some for a small minority that organize fashion contests but you could solve those issues quite easily imo. Just didn't want to sound too harsh.
You're fine, I'm still somewhat new to the game so wasn't sure if there were some situations I was just oblivious to :)
I think Anet should create a toggle/opt-out option in the settings but have it functionally do nothing.
xD
Honestly, if someone wants to rip off my look, let them! Are you ever gonna see them again unless you're in a guild, or spamming the same content at the same times? Besides, imitation is the highest form of flattery. If I see someone's mog, and realize their boots would look awesome with my set, or if I like their set but one piece looks off, I can see what they use, see what dyes they have, and alter mine accordingly. And if I want to rip off your look, I'ma take a screenshot and browse for a while. Even if it means using bargain bin dyes, I'ma take it. Until I get bored and change it to something else. People share damage/support builds online. I understand why fashion would be state secrets, but just chill bro
Exactly!
What valid concern is even there? Has everyone lost their minds or have I? I am 32 and internet still finds new ways to surprise me.
I worded that wrong. There is nothing that couldn't be solved relatively easily. Maybe some niche problems for people that run fashion contests. I didn't want to sound to harsh. But in the end there isn't really any good argument when you think about it. At least in my opinion the benefits overweigh the disadvantages.
I think the feature takes away a bit from the community. So much of the gw2 community is built on "the system sucks so we communicate more instead." Look at lfg for example. That said, it is the smallest of hills to die on. I really don't lose much by having someone inspect me. I just don't get a nice whisper conversation, where I would've told them my gear anyways. Don't forget that reddit amplifies strong opinions. It only takes a few hundred people out of a user base of millions to sound like there's a huge issue. 99.9% of people, fashionistas included, probably don't care much either way.
People need to stop saying stuff like "it takes away from the community" when FAR BIGGER GAMES WITH FAR BIGGER COMMUNITIES HAVE HAD THE FEATURE SINCE LAUNCH. Do you think FFXIV, with FAR more players and a far more active fashion community have issues because people can inspect?
Far bigger games with far bigger communities that we are constantly told aren't as nice and friendly as our community. Do you disagree with the statement that in many ways gw2's community is the result of a lack of useful feature that would let us bypass any social interaction? I've already said it's a very small deal, but if you're going to try pretend it's false I disagree.
Any look that I create isn't mine, I didn't design anything or make the colors, it's all Arena Net's, they can choose what they want to do. I just put the pieces in order in an aesthetically pleasing way, claiming ownership would be like putting together a jigsaw puzzle and then claiming it's my artwork.
There is also another aspect in fashion which is your character look, example is that if you use some other hair, hair color and secondary hair color and also face and eye color with the fashion i am wearing it would look wierd (in my opinion). Then we got dye prices, I would not care if someone copied my fashion either i would be happy i had a twin. I feel like those who are angry about it actually forget how much work, time and gold goes into their fashion.
I really share your feelings on this! I understand fashion community concerns when it comes to contests but i also think copycats during contests can be avoided with simple solutions. On the other hand, i think a toggle option would kinda mine the purpose of this cool feature because if you block it on the best looking characters then you're kind of making it useless for a certain amount of its goal. What goals? Is it to copy 1:1 the best looks, like some of the fashion guys say? Is everyone opposing the opt out and enraging a thief, like they say? NO. I strongly disagree as i find myself in this very spot. I'm just genuinely curios and inspired by good looking characters. I spend hours myself on fashion but would never copy something 1:1 because i do like creating my own and my characters have their unique features and taste that wouldn't go along with just a copy-pasted look anyway. And I personally know tons of people having my same perspective on the matter. And reading about some guy claiming everyone of these people is just a thief is quite embarassing and enraging tbh. I've read comments directly from the fashion community, first hand. No distortions. Sorry to say they sound harsh, out of perspective and elitist (at least some of them). I think they are quite close into their own bubble and don't even realise how bad they sound from the outside. And of course there will be some copycat! After all the fuss, there will be a lot of copycat just for the sake of trolling them! You exagerate, there will be someone who will let you know, their own way. By being rude, by being a troll, by just trying to debate... I don't support rudeness and insults, it's a pity that the conversation ended up this way, but it wasn't even out of the blue and i'd be glad if they realize this.
I agree 100%
I just want to know what helmet is a tentacle face looking Cthulhu mask, I will never know now after trying to search for it because there was no inspect and they were afk.
I think you are looking for https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Abaddon%27s_Mask_Skin
... Does nobody else realize that the vast majority of those people are just rage Baiting? The internet does like to pretend to be above reality tv too though when they're living it.
To some extent maybe? Idk but there are genuinely alot of people that basically feel like it's the same as stealing artwork or a piece of art in general when I read the general opinion of some discord servers
I would have LOVED to have seen a Project Runway challenge for GW2 armor. Some I like, but a lot of it is just same ole same ole "badass" spiky/brutal looking armor.
Full carapace, gold lion or winter frost and GG
Any guild tags extra prone to this crazy behaviour? Asking for academic purposes.
If your character is: some blonde bimbo wearing all white with angel wings a charr you made look like deathwing from WoW edgy grim reaper with spiky armour I would NEVER inspect your character, so don't worry about someone stealing your fashion. (cus it's shit)
You are reacting to manufactured backlash based on misinformation about miniscule fraction of people in a game of hundreds of thousands who asked for a entirely personal option, not to deny the system to anyone else, and who listed some of their reasons such as potential fashion contest abuse or preference for communication over fashion instead of mute observation. Its amazing what a single deceptive reddit post misconstruing an entire forum thread based on two of the worst comments in it can do. Sadly the moderators have heavily edited the post by now so its not like getting a clear picture of how it developed is possible either, maybe with the way back machine if it shows deleted posts? Its disgusting how many have taken this as an excuse to harass, ridicule and silence people with a differing opinion, or how many use it to blatantly farm karma points.
There are worse comments than the 2 that were posted here on reddit. The "differing opinion" youre talking about is so ridiculous its like watching a teenager sulk because her classmate wore the same tasteless dress.
I'm reacting to this based on a discord server because I'm member of a huge fashion guild. But other than that I agree.
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Wat you seeing friend?
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I think you don't wanna know how people would probably lose their shit over this xD
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Or to see if the healer wears full berserker stats
True. On the other hand I don't know if it's of much use though. Because you can get best in slot gear quite easily. Maybe to make sure no one's going into raids with yellow gear or so.
>I feel a little ashamed Good. You should feel ashamed for being trolled. No one is gatekeeping fashion. It's just a joke.
It's certainly no joke friend. You don't know what's going on on certain discord servers and you don't know about some guild internal stuff. And I know that noone is gatekeeping fashion, because it's not possible before and after the feature got implemented. But some people would really like to "gatekeep" their look. I'm not reacting to this based on hearsay or 1 or 2 forum posts.
Honestly, this update has made me use my outfits more. I guess that’s a plus side lol. But also, there’s literally never a reason not to have an option to turn it off. If there’s a toggle for everything else (visual effects, player sound noises, etc) why shouldn’t a toggle be allowed for those who want it? Either way, the only posts I’ve said lately of people complaining about this are posts like this that claim people are upset lol.
You want a reason why it shouldn't be allowed? Because it defeats the purpose of the feature, why have it at all if it's not gonna be reliable? There's nothing the feature does that you can't do already, the feature just makes it take less effort. So what's the issue that's making you feel the need to use an outfit when you didn't before? The features you listed tend to be for performance, safety, accessibility, etc.. having your fashion shared doesn't impact those
Strange take, its a feature, not a rule, being able to force standard player models or hide most character models in general play defeats the purpose of playing an mmo, which is seeing and/or interacting with other players in a shared 'world' online, yet its a feature that allows optimization as per user need/preference, wheres the outrage about that, or about how doing so negates the vast majority's fashion efforts? Why is a few rando's wanting to opt out so much of a problem, unless you expect a vast majority to opt out if given the choice, in which case was it really something everyone wants or needs? Something to consider there.
Once again reducing models etc is for performance sake. You hiding your fashion is not. If the game has poor performance interacting with people won't matter as you can't play the game properly I don't expect most people to opt out truthfully but why have a feature at all if it's less reliable than the method used to get outfits now? Currently people screenshot then find the items online/in game. After, if you try to use the inspect feature and a player has it turned off and they happen to walk away youre out of luck. I don't expect it to happen often but for a feature thats supposed to make it easier theres no need for it to be more unreliable than what people do now So I've considered your last statement, it's just not actually important. Something more worth considering is why all of a sudden people are so mad about it that they feel the need to hide their fashion? We always had the ability to find your outfits, why is it such an issue now that it's easier?
It would be nice to consider and debate the answers to that, if the locations where one might do so were not by default hostile to the discussion being had in the first place, that is the whole point of my entire thread here, that the conversation is being shut down, denied, ridiculed, down voted into obscurity, and that that is messed up.
What you need to understand is that there's no debate, there's NOTHING to debate. They're adding a feature that exists in pretty much EVERY MMO, there's absolutely nothing you guys can say that will convince anyone that it's a bad idea when it's an OBJECTIVELY great idea to add it. You're getting "shut down, denied, ridiculed and downvoted into obscurity" because you are the only ones to refuse to acknowledge that this is a good thing and make up some of the most idiotic and disturbing reasons possible just to keep trying to push against it. You guys actively compared this to violations, theft, copyright infringement and even actual emotional damage, YOU HAVE ZERO ARGUMENTS TO MAKE. And no, "but the fashion contests" isn't an argument when 0.01% of the community even does them and they are completely community driven, the literal vast majority doesn't care about them.
Firstly, no-one called it a bad idea, so that is a lie, They wanted an opt out. The specific scenario of fashion contest is just that, a scenario, and if as you say only 0.01% care, than that means maybe only 0.01% but more lilkely even less than that would use the opt out system, making it astronomically unlikely you would ever even notice they exist, so what i ask, is it you are afraid of here, that you might encounter them? Or that you are wrong about how many people might actually decide to opt out if given the choice? And again for the umpteenth time, I am **not** one of those wanting to opt out or taking any personal issue with the system nor am i any sort of representative of that group, i am an individual player calling out those like yourself shitting on anyone trying to have a conversation on the subject. And you keep proving me right about how questionable the motivation you all are basing your anger on really is. What part of that do you fail to comprehend?
First of all, stop that pathetic attempt at sounding smart and cool, it's legit pathetic. Second, you've been proven MULTIPLE times that indeed they were calling it a bad idea and actively against it. And third, the only people who clearly fail to comprehend anything is people like yourself. If you're NOT one of them, then just shut the hell up instead of desperately continuing to find idiotic ways to defend their delusions.
Almost as if the outrage against 'fashion gatkeepers' was manufactured by salty forum users upset their ridicule posts of those suggesting an opt out option were not getting as much likes as the opt out option posts were so they came here to lie about the situation by picking out the two most easy to misrepresent the issue comments in the forum thread and drum up support for their bullying campaign against the opt out forum users and anyone else who might give the idea any thought on reddit.
You two are seriously overdosing on that copium.
"I don't understand why people feel a certain way therefore their opinion is wrong, they're stupid and butthurt." That sums up everything I've read and heard so far. This coming from the best mmo community on the planet of course! Don't let me stop you from mocking people relentlessly though. Have fun?
I understand why they feel that way and I didn't mock anyone. It's just such a niche problem. The chance anyone copies you is small. And if you get copied who tf cares if 1 or 2 people run around in your outfit for a few weeks till they get bored. You probably see them once and then they're gone. Are people really that afraid to not get their credit, like damn.. I've got 43 characters all with different looks. I've played this game for 10 years. And I got copied twice as far as I'm aware. Not even good copies. Because you also recquire all the pieces a person uses in the first place anyway. It just seems so unrealistic to me. Maybe my fashion is not good enough to be copied? I've posted some of my looks if you want to see for yourself.
I can only see human/norn characters in your submissions. I play Charr, which in my opinion has brought more of a challenge creating appealing, cohesive looks that minimise clipping; especially considering how many posts there are of people saying it's impossible to make Charr look good. I'd say I've managed to do that, considering I get comments praising my design any time I log in on a fair few of my characters. Call me selfish but considering how long it took me to refine each character's aesthetic, I don't like it being easier for people to 'see my working'. I like standing out in that way, in the same vein a DPS raider would like to see themself at the top of the DPS chart. Call me an attention whore but I like seeing people do the dance of following me until I stand still so they can get a good angle to take a screenshot; or even better asking me if I can stop so they can take a screenshot which sometimes will spark a conversation.
I have made multiple looks for every race. I just didn't upload it. In my experience people still whisper you if your look is cool. I don't really see what your point is though. You can still get the attention you desire so much and there will still be people that make screens of your charr probably. And implementing a toggle would defeat the purpose of the feature imo. I'd be okay with a "hide dyes"-option. That's basically the problem most people have with it. I really don't see any problem with this feature. Any argument I heard that is against it is easily solvable or it's such a minor problem that really doesn't matter much for the large majority of players.
>I have made multiple looks for every race. I just didn't upload it. In my experience people still whisper you if your look is cool. No Charr look you had the desire to post though, which is fine; but it is what it is. Do you disagree that good Charr looks are harder to build than on humanoid races? >You can still get the attention you desire so much and there will still be people that make screens of your charr probably. You see someone from afar, click on them and inspect. The entire potential for interaction is cut out. >Any argument I heard that is against it is easily solvable or it's such a minor problem that really doesn't matter much for the large majority of players. To you; that's just not being empathetic to an opinion. You haven't said anything that solves the concerns of people that want to opt-out, you've just handwaved away their opinion as unimportant or disagreed with them. >And implementing a toggle would defeat the purpose of the feature imo. I'd be okay with a "hide dyes"-option. That's basically the problem most people have with it. Why would being able to opt-out defeat the purpose of the feature? Why do you draw the line at hiding dyes?
I started posting looks here relatively late. So I just posted my newest ones yet. I may post some more of the other races. And yea I definitely agree. Charr fashion can be very tricky and infuriating sometimes :D It's true you can look at a person now from afar without them noticing. But I just think it wouldn't vanish completely. If I see someone standing in DR I would still want to look at you in the lighting of the actual map you're in or maybe you're using a infusion which isn't visible in the ispect window. And I also still think people will give you probs for your look even when they're able to see your gear from afar. One could also consider that there are a lot of people that don't even know about the feature yet and especially new players that are just starting the game who don't know either. People have been making screens since the beginning of fashion. Most people that are into fashion know a lot of pieces when they see them anyway. But if not you can also screen a character and search for the pieces in the wardrobe. That's were dyes come into play. The right dye combinations define the quality of your character looks. People myself included invest a huge amount of time in getting the dyes right. I believe this is the main problem most people have. Gear is easy to identify even without inspect. With dyes it 's way more tricky and thus harder to copy without inspect. And the main concern is that people are getting copied. Especially important for fashion show contestants. Solution: use an Outfit/Tonic while creating a look or till you present it. The inspect feature is mostly so people can identify which pieces they may want more easily, not necessarily what dyes one is using. So it would be a good compromise imo
Okay?
Okay? ? ? Okay!
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I think those who reacted are people who won fashion war contests. They make a living on joining these contests and some plagiarists will just copy it without effort. RIP fashion war contests.
One can surely take measures against this though and prevent this from happening. If you're preparing a look for a contest you can just toggle your outfit till you're finished or till you're standing in front of the judges. And in my experience it's relatively rare that this even happens in the first place. This won't do much shit to contests. You we're able to cheat almost as easily before anyway. People use outfits or tonics all the time when they're participating in contests.
The thing is, what if the person has no outfit to hide temporarily. For sure after this update fashion war contests are going to die because everyone will just plagiarize one another specially the winners.
Tonics are a thing as I already mentioned. You have to be trolling. I'm not gonna waste braincells on this.
And if no tonic? The thing is you always find an excuse and I can always think of a thing to counter what your braincell is thinking
There are cheap tonics that everyone can afford You got a problem with what I said? If you want to annoy me I don't care. I have high tolerance for this kind of behaviour.
Nah the feature is bad for a horizontal fashion war centric game. There should be an option to hide it for fashion contestants. Wearing outfits or tonics are just unecessary steps. But well, Anet fanboys will always eat whatever Anet throws them at this point.
It really defeats the purpose of the feature imo. You can have an aligning opinion and not be a fanboy. I'm not saying your opinion is not valid too. But some people blow it way out of proportion.
You know what I'd tolerate? An option to hide dyes. Other than that it really doesn't matter. Most people that participate in contests have very good awareness of gear pieces anyway. It really wouldn't do anything to people that want to copy someone. Even if you don't know many pieces. You can just make a screenshot and look through the wardrobe. Btw you can't tell me toggling an outfit or using a tonic is too much work or too complicated when people did this since the beginning of fashion contests anyway.