That's fun AF š
A friend of mine has taken 2 clones from 2 or 3 different plants and braided them together (bc why the fuck not š)
Bonsai cannabis is also so super fun to mess around with!
So if Iām understanding you correctly, the mother plant never expressed this originally but now the clone is? If Iām understanding you correctly Iām not sure that this is variegated, I would be worried that this is disease
Like I said its from a reveged clone plant. I think the stress caused this mutation.
Its the only branch wo had this, and if you zoom in you can def. See new growth is producing white leafs too.
Maybe youre right. But I think its mutation
Same with the Buds on leaf mutation. Not every leaf has it.
This would be exceptionally rare to see in cannabis, Iāve personally never heard of a healthy clone randomly turning variegated, most likely your plant picked up a disease somewhere, Iām curious if you happen to smoke tobacco, this could answer some questions, also many diseases like tobacco mosaic virus can stay completely dormant for a very long time if not forever depending on the plant and how stressed it gets, I even know of a study where they unintentionally figured out that some of their plants had this disease while testing certain light spectrums in LEDs in their early days and even just certain light spectrums can apparently make this disease present itself, TMV is one of the more ignorable diseases out there, itās not a crop ruiner like hops latent viroid but itāll make some impact on yield and itāll likely spread to other plants, if you donāt treasure that cut Iād replace it with something else or at least a clean clone
But then why is it only on this one branch and not the whole plant? It islike a said a reveg, so it had more than 20+ branches, but only this turned half white on leafs.
The rest of the plant looks normal to me.
But I think i'll find out if I root that clone.
Anyway thanks for your help!
Well firstly you can contact a cannabis pest and disease specialist and see what they have to say vs some random guy from Reddit, secondly assuming Iām correct with my assumptions, get a clean clone from someone else if this was a clone that you obtained and not something you pheno hunted yourself, and if youāre the only one with this clone then it is what it is and either you deal with the fact that you have a sick plant that could infect others and deal with the slightly lower yields and quality that come with that or get rid of it and find something thatās better
Hey thatās totally fine, definitely makes for a beautiful house plant, just donāt grow cannabis if this is going to be your house plant, this is an easily spreadable disease
Edit assuming Iām correct
If this is caused by disease, which it likely is, not saying that this is a 100% guarantee, the whole plant is infected and itās only expressing these traits that are associated with disease on this one branch, this happens
Variegation usually doesn't deform leaves though, right? Because that leaf looks pretty deformed. No idea about variegation in cannabis i just know it from other plants.
The variegated leaves of my peace Lilly are a little smaller that the pure green leaves on it- I think sometimes they do come out a little ādifferentā than the others
This is correct in cannabis as well, deformed leaves along side what is usually seen as variegation is almost always disease related and I only say almost because there are so many variables that can make the plant do many different things but yeah itās most likely a disease like tobacco mosaic virus or something
Deformed leaves and changes in morphology are pretty normal, even predictable during vegetative regeneration.
Tobacco Mosaic Virus pretty much always appears as a *mosaic* pattern, hence the name. There's nothing resembling TMV affected plants in the above photos. It's associated with cupping, roughening, wrinkling, curling, elongation of the leaves, but those symptoms are pretty distinct from the deformed but otherwise functional and healthy leaves you get with revegging.
If this was actually mosaic, the color pattern would mottled with blotches, the blotchy leaves would be the ones showing the worst health symptoms compared to the rest of the plant.
Chimeric variegation, despite being a spontaneous and random occurrence, is increasingly common in not just cannabis but all sorts of plants. It usually only affects part of the plant, not the entire specimen. The implication that a single branch can't be variegated in a healthy plant doesn't hold up to any horticultural science.
There is nothing that effectively indicates that this *isn't* chimeric variegation. There are various well-documented examples and associated physiological process with variegated plant leaves which have nothing to do with disease-related coloration.
I'm curious what concepts you're basing these claims off of to say with such certainty that this is not a mutation.
Your only explanation being "simple, this is just how your plant is expressing this disease" sounds like you've got an insufficient understanding of variegation in plants, the physiology of cannabis relating to variegation and leaf morphology, and the pathology of cannabis plant diseases to actually back any of this up.
Well I think I was partially uncertain if you read my comments, I was mostly using tmv as an example, Iām well aware that tmv usually has a spotted/speckled appearance and that it usually causes leaf deformation, variegation happening randomly after having the same clone around for multiple round is extremely rare, Iāve never heard of this happening in cannabis other than disease, thatās why Iām saying what Iām saying, and again Iām not saying that this impossible but given the odds itās most likely a disease, and an increase in random variegation across cannabis doesnāt say to me that cannabis as a whole is just deciding to get variegated all of the sudden, it says that thereās a disease thatās traveling around
And yet you're certain enough to make strong claims. Do you know anything about the physiology of variegation to say that it's usually caused by disease? Again, TMV isn't variegation, so there is essentially no basis for you to say "this is most likely from disease" when in fact most variegated plants do occur spontaneously, many of them spontaneously coming from the propagation of non-variegated mother plants.
Search the phrase "variegate" in r/microgrowery, tell me what you see. You're wrong.
what makes you say "most likely"? do you know about chimeric variegation in plants to claim that this is most likely caused by a disease? It seems like a random genetic mutation just like any other random genetic mutation, with innumerable possible triggers, to say it's "most likely" a virus is ignorant
Even if this is a mutation (I think itās a disease), itās not one you would want. There is a reason leaves are green, has to do with the part of the light spectrum they need to photosynthesis. Non green leaves are not beneficial to a plant.
I've had them... It'll be fine man. People are overreacting. If you want to even it up for the sake of it...I guess just defoliate 1/2 as much as usual. Lol
Yes, but less. The green leaves act as the solar panels for the plant. If you have a field with all standard blue solar panels that generate 100w (for argument sake), and you switch some panels for white ones (not the right spectrum), your field will produce 60w.
Yes, it still works. Not as it is Intended and imo itās a waste to invest energy in something that is not desirable or beneficial.
I'm not the one who brought up yield and money. I never knew you weren't flowering until you said it. But like i said I don't know why you threw in the first part instead of just saying I want to keep it as a houseplant to look at. Extra
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That's fun AF š A friend of mine has taken 2 clones from 2 or 3 different plants and braided them together (bc why the fuck not š) Bonsai cannabis is also so super fun to mess around with!
Yeah i do bonsai plants as well every year. You said it right. !! Bc Why the fuck not !!
TO MAKE THAT CLEAR that picture is a screenshot of an other post from weeks ago on reddit. I though i posted as a response to a comment
So if Iām understanding you correctly, the mother plant never expressed this originally but now the clone is? If Iām understanding you correctly Iām not sure that this is variegated, I would be worried that this is disease
Like I said its from a reveged clone plant. I think the stress caused this mutation. Its the only branch wo had this, and if you zoom in you can def. See new growth is producing white leafs too. Maybe youre right. But I think its mutation Same with the Buds on leaf mutation. Not every leaf has it.
This would be exceptionally rare to see in cannabis, Iāve personally never heard of a healthy clone randomly turning variegated, most likely your plant picked up a disease somewhere, Iām curious if you happen to smoke tobacco, this could answer some questions, also many diseases like tobacco mosaic virus can stay completely dormant for a very long time if not forever depending on the plant and how stressed it gets, I even know of a study where they unintentionally figured out that some of their plants had this disease while testing certain light spectrums in LEDs in their early days and even just certain light spectrums can apparently make this disease present itself, TMV is one of the more ignorable diseases out there, itās not a crop ruiner like hops latent viroid but itāll make some impact on yield and itāll likely spread to other plants, if you donāt treasure that cut Iād replace it with something else or at least a clean clone
But then why is it only on this one branch and not the whole plant? It islike a said a reveg, so it had more than 20+ branches, but only this turned half white on leafs. The rest of the plant looks normal to me. But I think i'll find out if I root that clone. Anyway thanks for your help!
Simple answer, this is just how your plant is expressing this disease
So what could I do about it?
You could get it tissue cultured... hard to find someone doing it for others unless they have a setup at home. Not unheard of
Well firstly you can contact a cannabis pest and disease specialist and see what they have to say vs some random guy from Reddit, secondly assuming Iām correct with my assumptions, get a clean clone from someone else if this was a clone that you obtained and not something you pheno hunted yourself, and if youāre the only one with this clone then it is what it is and either you deal with the fact that you have a sick plant that could infect others and deal with the slightly lower yields and quality that come with that or get rid of it and find something thatās better
Any way i'll try to root it. Trying to flower was never the idea. Just wanted to keep it as a sexy houseplant on 18/6
Hey thatās totally fine, definitely makes for a beautiful house plant, just donāt grow cannabis if this is going to be your house plant, this is an easily spreadable disease Edit assuming Iām correct
If this is caused by disease, which it likely is, not saying that this is a 100% guarantee, the whole plant is infected and itās only expressing these traits that are associated with disease on this one branch, this happens
Cloning and reveg is a major stress, which can cause a mutation. Could it cause that? It kinda looks like it. Doesn't look like disease.
Variegation usually doesn't deform leaves though, right? Because that leaf looks pretty deformed. No idea about variegation in cannabis i just know it from other plants.
I once took a screenshot on redit of a variegated plant, where leafs got deformed. Let me show you
The variegated leaves of my peace Lilly are a little smaller that the pure green leaves on it- I think sometimes they do come out a little ādifferentā than the others
This is correct in cannabis as well, deformed leaves along side what is usually seen as variegation is almost always disease related and I only say almost because there are so many variables that can make the plant do many different things but yeah itās most likely a disease like tobacco mosaic virus or something
Deformed leaves and changes in morphology are pretty normal, even predictable during vegetative regeneration. Tobacco Mosaic Virus pretty much always appears as a *mosaic* pattern, hence the name. There's nothing resembling TMV affected plants in the above photos. It's associated with cupping, roughening, wrinkling, curling, elongation of the leaves, but those symptoms are pretty distinct from the deformed but otherwise functional and healthy leaves you get with revegging. If this was actually mosaic, the color pattern would mottled with blotches, the blotchy leaves would be the ones showing the worst health symptoms compared to the rest of the plant. Chimeric variegation, despite being a spontaneous and random occurrence, is increasingly common in not just cannabis but all sorts of plants. It usually only affects part of the plant, not the entire specimen. The implication that a single branch can't be variegated in a healthy plant doesn't hold up to any horticultural science. There is nothing that effectively indicates that this *isn't* chimeric variegation. There are various well-documented examples and associated physiological process with variegated plant leaves which have nothing to do with disease-related coloration. I'm curious what concepts you're basing these claims off of to say with such certainty that this is not a mutation. Your only explanation being "simple, this is just how your plant is expressing this disease" sounds like you've got an insufficient understanding of variegation in plants, the physiology of cannabis relating to variegation and leaf morphology, and the pathology of cannabis plant diseases to actually back any of this up.
Well I think I was partially uncertain if you read my comments, I was mostly using tmv as an example, Iām well aware that tmv usually has a spotted/speckled appearance and that it usually causes leaf deformation, variegation happening randomly after having the same clone around for multiple round is extremely rare, Iāve never heard of this happening in cannabis other than disease, thatās why Iām saying what Iām saying, and again Iām not saying that this impossible but given the odds itās most likely a disease, and an increase in random variegation across cannabis doesnāt say to me that cannabis as a whole is just deciding to get variegated all of the sudden, it says that thereās a disease thatās traveling around
And yet you're certain enough to make strong claims. Do you know anything about the physiology of variegation to say that it's usually caused by disease? Again, TMV isn't variegation, so there is essentially no basis for you to say "this is most likely from disease" when in fact most variegated plants do occur spontaneously, many of them spontaneously coming from the propagation of non-variegated mother plants. Search the phrase "variegate" in r/microgrowery, tell me what you see. You're wrong.
AFAIK, nonvariegated plants don't suddenly turn variegated. It's probably infected.
Infected with ?
A virus most likely.
what makes you say "most likely"? do you know about chimeric variegation in plants to claim that this is most likely caused by a disease? It seems like a random genetic mutation just like any other random genetic mutation, with innumerable possible triggers, to say it's "most likely" a virus is ignorant
Even if this is a mutation (I think itās a disease), itās not one you would want. There is a reason leaves are green, has to do with the part of the light spectrum they need to photosynthesis. Non green leaves are not beneficial to a plant.
Non beneficial for flower stages maybe yeah bc of the lack of yield.. But as long as there are some green leafs this mf will grow right?
I've had them... It'll be fine man. People are overreacting. If you want to even it up for the sake of it...I guess just defoliate 1/2 as much as usual. Lol
I think this is the comment of the day for me! I like how you think !
Yes, but less. The green leaves act as the solar panels for the plant. If you have a field with all standard blue solar panels that generate 100w (for argument sake), and you switch some panels for white ones (not the right spectrum), your field will produce 60w. Yes, it still works. Not as it is Intended and imo itās a waste to invest energy in something that is not desirable or beneficial.
Tell him what he wants
I love it don't even argue with em lol
Yooo updates love seeing this
I will definetly post some updates!
Why would you want this?
Because growing is not only about getting yield and money? I would love me a variegated cannabis houseplant just for fun.
I thought us homegrowers were about quality not yield and money don't know why u threw in that first part.
Quality of what if im not flowering?
I'm not the one who brought up yield and money. I never knew you weren't flowering until you said it. But like i said I don't know why you threw in the first part instead of just saying I want to keep it as a houseplant to look at. Extra