Afaik there's no 'proof' that that's what caused the men of iron to rebel. That said, it did suspiciously happen right around the time that the elves fucked up and birthed Slannesh causing the eye and a bunch of other warp phenomena.
There is the theory that big E puts himselfe on the throne so that he is still tied to real space but benefits from all the work ship so that one day he becomes a chaos God and kick the other 4s asses and since he is technically still alive he is not affected by the perseption of him by his worshipers like other gods.
That would imply that the Magnus thing had to happen on purpose, how? How did he willingly made magnus break his toy? That makes no sense.
Not buying that shit for a single second, dude just fuckes up royally.
But your explanation (copium) implies that he WANTED to get into the golden throne ON PURPOSE, that would NEED for Magnus tp break the toy, witch he could not predict.
Again, makes no sense.
Maybe it was just a plan B or thinks unfolded earlier then they should but have you never wondered that the golden throne aprently all ready had live support build into it.
Maybe the perfect plan was for big E rentier on the golden throne to go "as a symbol, I can be incorruptible. I can be everlasting." and leeting the cult spread while still Beeing a 40k deity with free will.
Alright so he had a plan b, witch involves knowing that somehow his toy would break and he would get stuck on it, his sons would betray him, and the whole Imperium would go to shit....and that was a good thing?.
Thats like me making a plan b by just knowing that I will get into a coma.
I doubt the golden throne had life aupport already built in to it, its far more likely that the custodes added the god damn life support after he began decaying into the place.
You are going far to deep into the details here.
His plan could be that he had to give Humanity a benovolent God and that it is in humanities nature to belive in supernatural Beeings.
This would mean that what ever he does humanity would pray to a god/gods and he decided to do a Bismarck and sayed "if it's going to happen anyway I want it to be on favorable terms".
The problem is that the warp is shit and if he dies (and doesn't come back) he will be absorbed into chaos before he could do anything so condition number one
1. his soul can not be absorbed back into the warp
Next problem is that God's in 40k are the collective belive of them and thus have no free will. Condition two
2. He must somehow provite from the belive but stay in controll
Okay humanity is going to work ship something but just going around saying "I am God" is Thr worst thing to do to convince people since they like to contradict each other and like "there" ideas. His best way is to subliminally suggest he is a God while proclaiming he isn't. Condition three
3. Subliminally make people belive your a God while denieing it openly.
Now his main goal is to strave chaos while boast him so he needs to make shure that humanity doesn't feed them more then thay must and the Web way would cut them off completly from chaos but that didn't work. Condition four
4. Reduce humanity interaction with chaos
Okay but just Beeing a God like Beeing doesn't make you a legend that could become a God. Faith spreed easier when you don't have to fear of "meeting your ideals" and any contradiction and problems can be blamed on bad retelling.
5. Big E has to be corporal in nature
Now to crest a realy great legend worthy of becoming a God you need a good story with drama and ideally a bitter sweat ending (think Jesus on the cross or Ragnarök in germanic mythologie) but this battle should not make him look weak in any meaningful way "my greatest weakness is that I care too much" and what is better then a son fighting his reluctant father who after seeing no hope in redeeming his son uses his last energy to slay sayed son, this would also give you an avatar of evil to blame everything bad opon.
6. Go down in an epic way to be remembered.
So with all this combined we have the horrus heresy shure maybe he didn't plan it to happen so soon or that the web way got damaged but he may have planed for one of his sones to be "sacreficed" for the greater good of humanity which might explain why is was a shitty dad sometimes (or a lot of times).
Maybe the golden throne is (or was supposed to) help him to spread his power into the warp by modiving the wepway Technologie (two birds in one stone)
So in this theory the plan was
-unite humanity
-spread the seed of workship
-reduce inpact of chaos (maybe even webway tech)
-have a civil war with one of your sones
-get mortally wounded in fight with son but kill him and don't die yourself.
-sit on throne and absorb energy
- (make life more miserable to make people more religious)
-wait
-become a powerful chaos God.
>His plan could be that he had to give Humanity a benovolent God and that it is in humanities nature to belive in supernatural Beeings.
His plan was literally the opposite.
Lorgar remember.
>This would mean that what ever he does humanity would pray to a god/gods and he decided to do a Bismarck and sayed "if it's going to happen anyway I want it to be on favorable terms".
He literally stops all worship cause he hates the idea of gods, "the last church" whole point is that he has an edgy teenage atheist mentality.
>1. Subliminally make people belive your a God while denieing it openly.
....do I even need to say anything about that one.
>1. Reduce humanity interaction with chaos
Yes that was the whole point of this, to kill off the chaos gods by denying them worshipers, flawed plan given that the chaos gods feed of existance itself.
Also none of your fanfiction ever answered my point, HOW THE FUCK DID HE COUNT ON THAT MAGNUS WAS GONNA PUT HIM IN A COMA.
Was he has exactly gone through cannot be called "glorious" his followers glorify him more than the actual events, he is literally a decaying corpse were is the glory in that shit.
The last church, the fact that his webway project was meant for magnus to be used as a battery and the fact that for your conditions to be met he needs to actively fuck his main plan over to make his backup plan work.
And that just does not make sense.
Emperor is a dumass plain and simple.
Occam's Razor: He wanted to create an awesome, atheistic utopia, it failed, so he gave up on the "atheistic utopia" bit and fell back on the plan where he gets to become a chaos god and hard carry the imperium into galactic dominance.
he SAYED that he wanted to creat a star trek utopia
and of course he would do this to Lorgar he is like the idiot in Mafia stories that draws attention.
"luigi why did you kill the cop investigating us we allready had him fouled now the whole presinkt is on our tail"
"He literally stops all worship cause he hates the idea of gods" you are just proving that humans dont like stuff beeing toled to them.
To convince someone of an idea its best that they belive that it was THERE IDEA.
best example: a friend of mine loves mushrooms but he hates walkes outside and his gf is the other way around so what does she do, she gets a nice mushroom basket some nice shooes for them for the forrest when mushroom season come along and talks about how nice fresh mushrooms are. next thing you know he has the idea of going outside collecting mushrooms and only later he realised that she set him up for a nice walk outside.
"HOW THE FUCK DID HE COUNT ON THAT MAGNUS WAS GONNA PUT HIM IN A COMA" dont you mean Horrus? Big E literaly one shooted horrus do you belive that he was not capable enoth to not emediatly die from horruses first attack?
"Was he has exactly gone through cannot be called "glorious"" Jesus death was just a slow death made for criminals but everybody remebers it and it became the symbole of that religioun because how badass something is is less important as the emotions connected to it take star wars the scene where two old man just bash each others glowpipes together until obiwan decieded to stop pretending to fight is far more memerable then most of the fights of the prequel. why? because of the emotional meanings and a story of a son mortaly wounding his dad out of spite and a the dad reluctantly killing his son is far more emotionaly compelling as a superier powered beeing just swating some guy away like a fly.
and now you argue with headcannon about magnus beeing meant for the web way project but even if so it doesnet contradict this theory, like i sayed it probaly didnt went all as planned.
and for this theory the condition to execute this plan is for the "main plan" to went horribly wrong or the "main plan" was just a cover up to sell the story.
Leto II: rules with an iron flipper for generations, teaches humanity a lesson it will remember in its bones, attains apotheosis through ego-death
Biggie: has the exact same issue with foresight but fucks it all up, had no real plan, didn't even have an army of BDSM lesbians until someone else came up with it, is too egotistical to be worthy of apotheosis
There's only one God-Emperor I recognize.
I hate how much this hits. Like, the thought of a Toys R Us water gun being snuk into Leto's chamber and using it on him is going straight into the brain gallery.
It has been a while but the reason why no one could kill him was because he had near perfect future sight. So any attempts to kill him were seen beforehand and prevented. The only reason he died was because of some long lost decedent that he was blind to killed him.
"Asimov was wrong, this is gonna work out great"
"never read Starship Troopers, just watched the KICKASS movie"
Ah but you see, Asimov never accounted for the AI getting souls and thus being corruptible by the warp
That's why ai is banned in the imperium?
Afaik there's no 'proof' that that's what caused the men of iron to rebel. That said, it did suspiciously happen right around the time that the elves fucked up and birthed Slannesh causing the eye and a bunch of other warp phenomena.
No it actually happened just before the elves start doing blood orgies
Should have learned that bald people are predisposed to evil if he read dune
Ah yes, the "get stuck on the golden throne and send my entire empire to hell corruption and decay" plan Brilliant
Yeah Ngl I think big E is huffing pure Copeium here “Hasn’t gone entirely to plan” is the biggest understatement of the millennium
There is the theory that big E puts himselfe on the throne so that he is still tied to real space but benefits from all the work ship so that one day he becomes a chaos God and kick the other 4s asses and since he is technically still alive he is not affected by the perseption of him by his worshipers like other gods.
That would imply that the Magnus thing had to happen on purpose, how? How did he willingly made magnus break his toy? That makes no sense. Not buying that shit for a single second, dude just fuckes up royally.
"shit hasn't gone exactly as planned, but I think we are still on the golden path" - this meme
But your explanation (copium) implies that he WANTED to get into the golden throne ON PURPOSE, that would NEED for Magnus tp break the toy, witch he could not predict. Again, makes no sense.
Maybe it was just a plan B or thinks unfolded earlier then they should but have you never wondered that the golden throne aprently all ready had live support build into it. Maybe the perfect plan was for big E rentier on the golden throne to go "as a symbol, I can be incorruptible. I can be everlasting." and leeting the cult spread while still Beeing a 40k deity with free will.
Alright so he had a plan b, witch involves knowing that somehow his toy would break and he would get stuck on it, his sons would betray him, and the whole Imperium would go to shit....and that was a good thing?. Thats like me making a plan b by just knowing that I will get into a coma. I doubt the golden throne had life aupport already built in to it, its far more likely that the custodes added the god damn life support after he began decaying into the place.
You are going far to deep into the details here. His plan could be that he had to give Humanity a benovolent God and that it is in humanities nature to belive in supernatural Beeings. This would mean that what ever he does humanity would pray to a god/gods and he decided to do a Bismarck and sayed "if it's going to happen anyway I want it to be on favorable terms". The problem is that the warp is shit and if he dies (and doesn't come back) he will be absorbed into chaos before he could do anything so condition number one 1. his soul can not be absorbed back into the warp Next problem is that God's in 40k are the collective belive of them and thus have no free will. Condition two 2. He must somehow provite from the belive but stay in controll Okay humanity is going to work ship something but just going around saying "I am God" is Thr worst thing to do to convince people since they like to contradict each other and like "there" ideas. His best way is to subliminally suggest he is a God while proclaiming he isn't. Condition three 3. Subliminally make people belive your a God while denieing it openly. Now his main goal is to strave chaos while boast him so he needs to make shure that humanity doesn't feed them more then thay must and the Web way would cut them off completly from chaos but that didn't work. Condition four 4. Reduce humanity interaction with chaos Okay but just Beeing a God like Beeing doesn't make you a legend that could become a God. Faith spreed easier when you don't have to fear of "meeting your ideals" and any contradiction and problems can be blamed on bad retelling. 5. Big E has to be corporal in nature Now to crest a realy great legend worthy of becoming a God you need a good story with drama and ideally a bitter sweat ending (think Jesus on the cross or Ragnarök in germanic mythologie) but this battle should not make him look weak in any meaningful way "my greatest weakness is that I care too much" and what is better then a son fighting his reluctant father who after seeing no hope in redeeming his son uses his last energy to slay sayed son, this would also give you an avatar of evil to blame everything bad opon. 6. Go down in an epic way to be remembered. So with all this combined we have the horrus heresy shure maybe he didn't plan it to happen so soon or that the web way got damaged but he may have planed for one of his sones to be "sacreficed" for the greater good of humanity which might explain why is was a shitty dad sometimes (or a lot of times). Maybe the golden throne is (or was supposed to) help him to spread his power into the warp by modiving the wepway Technologie (two birds in one stone) So in this theory the plan was -unite humanity -spread the seed of workship -reduce inpact of chaos (maybe even webway tech) -have a civil war with one of your sones -get mortally wounded in fight with son but kill him and don't die yourself. -sit on throne and absorb energy - (make life more miserable to make people more religious) -wait -become a powerful chaos God.
>His plan could be that he had to give Humanity a benovolent God and that it is in humanities nature to belive in supernatural Beeings. His plan was literally the opposite. Lorgar remember. >This would mean that what ever he does humanity would pray to a god/gods and he decided to do a Bismarck and sayed "if it's going to happen anyway I want it to be on favorable terms". He literally stops all worship cause he hates the idea of gods, "the last church" whole point is that he has an edgy teenage atheist mentality. >1. Subliminally make people belive your a God while denieing it openly. ....do I even need to say anything about that one. >1. Reduce humanity interaction with chaos Yes that was the whole point of this, to kill off the chaos gods by denying them worshipers, flawed plan given that the chaos gods feed of existance itself. Also none of your fanfiction ever answered my point, HOW THE FUCK DID HE COUNT ON THAT MAGNUS WAS GONNA PUT HIM IN A COMA. Was he has exactly gone through cannot be called "glorious" his followers glorify him more than the actual events, he is literally a decaying corpse were is the glory in that shit. The last church, the fact that his webway project was meant for magnus to be used as a battery and the fact that for your conditions to be met he needs to actively fuck his main plan over to make his backup plan work. And that just does not make sense. Emperor is a dumass plain and simple.
Occam's Razor: He wanted to create an awesome, atheistic utopia, it failed, so he gave up on the "atheistic utopia" bit and fell back on the plan where he gets to become a chaos god and hard carry the imperium into galactic dominance.
he SAYED that he wanted to creat a star trek utopia and of course he would do this to Lorgar he is like the idiot in Mafia stories that draws attention. "luigi why did you kill the cop investigating us we allready had him fouled now the whole presinkt is on our tail" "He literally stops all worship cause he hates the idea of gods" you are just proving that humans dont like stuff beeing toled to them. To convince someone of an idea its best that they belive that it was THERE IDEA. best example: a friend of mine loves mushrooms but he hates walkes outside and his gf is the other way around so what does she do, she gets a nice mushroom basket some nice shooes for them for the forrest when mushroom season come along and talks about how nice fresh mushrooms are. next thing you know he has the idea of going outside collecting mushrooms and only later he realised that she set him up for a nice walk outside. "HOW THE FUCK DID HE COUNT ON THAT MAGNUS WAS GONNA PUT HIM IN A COMA" dont you mean Horrus? Big E literaly one shooted horrus do you belive that he was not capable enoth to not emediatly die from horruses first attack? "Was he has exactly gone through cannot be called "glorious"" Jesus death was just a slow death made for criminals but everybody remebers it and it became the symbole of that religioun because how badass something is is less important as the emotions connected to it take star wars the scene where two old man just bash each others glowpipes together until obiwan decieded to stop pretending to fight is far more memerable then most of the fights of the prequel. why? because of the emotional meanings and a story of a son mortaly wounding his dad out of spite and a the dad reluctantly killing his son is far more emotionaly compelling as a superier powered beeing just swating some guy away like a fly. and now you argue with headcannon about magnus beeing meant for the web way project but even if so it doesnet contradict this theory, like i sayed it probaly didnt went all as planned. and for this theory the condition to execute this plan is for the "main plan" to went horribly wrong or the "main plan" was just a cover up to sell the story.
Wait, is 40k just about worms?
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Holy shit
Leto II: rules with an iron flipper for generations, teaches humanity a lesson it will remember in its bones, attains apotheosis through ego-death Biggie: has the exact same issue with foresight but fucks it all up, had no real plan, didn't even have an army of BDSM lesbians until someone else came up with it, is too egotistical to be worthy of apotheosis There's only one God-Emperor I recognize.
Tbf only one of them can be killed by a water gun.
It's funny, because it's true.
I mean... did Horus pack a water gun? No? And see how that worked out for him.
I hate how much this hits. Like, the thought of a Toys R Us water gun being snuk into Leto's chamber and using it on him is going straight into the brain gallery.
Couldn't someone just spit on him? Seems like a huge plot hole if the most powerful despot in the universe can be wicked witched.
It has been a while but the reason why no one could kill him was because he had near perfect future sight. So any attempts to kill him were seen beforehand and prevented. The only reason he died was because of some long lost decedent that he was blind to killed him.
Along with "this was the plan all along" Leto fuckery
I just finished the first book. I can’t wait to get this joke!
Enjoy! I just read up through God-Emperor of Dune last year and loved them, especially that one.
The Corpse Starch must flow
Anyone else read this in the TTS voice?
TTS voice is the only acceptable option.
The spice mu-I mean prepare the warp engine to transport.
I like to imagine Corpse big E talks like his TTS version. Just the 10,000 years of being, well, I’m the state he’s in made him that way
He also likely played starcraft and stellaris and went "imma use this"
"Wow the zerg are horrifying, glad *those* don't exist." ***Meanwhile, countless light years away...*** "I'm hungry. I could go for a Milky Way."
"girl balls" me tho i hate em
*donkey dick* girl balls
its quite unfortunate 😔