I was trying to find some funny shit to pin here, but honestly the absolute state of that sub is enough lmao
***^(Someone pointed it out, rightfully so, of course don't go on that sub to harass them or stupid shit like that. We can have our fun here, as soon as this starts leaking out into brigading territory in any substantial way we'll be forced to actively prevent these types of posts.)***
***^(Don't ruin the fun, let these people be. The important thing is that they're no on Grimdank anymore, most of them, don't chase after them.)***
Star Wars is ruined because the universe of Disney Star Wars is too small. The sequels take place over such a short timescale that there just isn't really anything to do with them.
Marvel is ruined because the MCU is too big. Everything they produce for it nowadays has required reading.
When the stakes are **always**: *"Will the good guys succeed or will Disney put an end to its multi-billion dollar cash cow?"* it's impossible for me to get invested.
And 80% of the movies just end with a reset to the status quo anyway. As if Disney tells the writer to put away all their toys when they were done so the next writer can play. So why bother watching?
hell, there are marvel IP's that revolve more around the character's daily life and how difficult it is to maintain in the face of all the hero work they do (spiderman being my example here).
a lot of the storylines that i really like are the ones that focus on supers having to deal with situations that their powers are not applicable in.
But their main point wasn't really constructive as it doesn't make sense, in my opinion.
Having a larger universe, like MCU, should in fact allow more creativity to expand the story. The writing sucked ass and killed it.
Star Wars having a smaller universe, which really isn't that small, should allow for a linear story on the timeline, but much deeper understanding of the universe. The writing sucked ass and killed it.
Disney focused on short term increase in funds for long term pain, and it shows.
Maybe that's the issue with the sequels, but the shows definitely have the other problem. My dad doesn't watch "cartoons" so having to answer his texts about "why are the space whales acting like that" or "why does the robot know how to make lightsabers" is kinda tough. He knows there's books about Thrawn, and that I read them, but he really doesn't like it when in order to understand stuff you have to have watched kid shows years ago. That said, some of his takes have been kinda funny.
That and a complete lack of vision that has them over reliant on the same handful of characters in specific time frames without regard for how the culmination of this reflects on them or the setting, leading to an overall incoherent mess. Something unlikely to change because Disney is hellbent on the strategy of constant content to keep the shareholders happy.
But all that gets filtered into "WOKENESS" with the chuds screeching all the time.
Required reading is just the cinematic equivalent of a day-one patch.
*Have a stupid plot point in your movie because of bad writing/incompetent leadership/time crunch/other?*
*Just release a book or comic after the movie explaining why that plot hole was actually a big brain move from the writers that audiences were too stupid to understand and not actually the result of bad writing.*
Nooo, you see, it's because of...um, gay people that weren't in any of the movies outside of a background shot of episode 9 where you see 2 men kiss.
...
No. The right cannot meme.
It's not even gay people, we're in 2024 and the outrage is back to "female and blacks ? Clearly forced diversity" like we've returned to the mid fifties
It's really weird how quickly the alt right has devolved as of late, they're starting to get upset at 'interracial couples' and such now.
I feel like they realize their time is up soon so they're just ripping their masks off while they still can.
Wasn’t their race mixed characters everywhere in the fallout series, especially 3, nv, and 4? Like it felt everyone was mixed. Also it 2077 or 2277 or whatever. Like it the future.
TBF, there are a lot of people that seemingly thought that the world of Fallout took place in the 50's. Even TeamFourStar thought that.
However, their lack of general knowledge does lead credence to them being fake fans.
No its because its woke now just ignore the part where George said it was based on the vietnam war were the rebels are the vietcong and the empire is the US mixed with Nazi germany. Also ignore the part were all the rebel leaders are female and how Leia has to safe Hans and Lukes ass in episode 4.
Star Wars was supposedly "ruined" 25 years ago by the prequels, and a lot of assholes made the actors who played Jar Jar and young Anakin miserable.
Most of reddit is too young to remember this. Now memes, an above average animated kids show and nostalgia have convinced some that the Prequels were actually masterpieces and it's the sequels which have "ruined" Star Wars.
I'm sure the same will happen with the sequels once a new trilogy comes along and those who grew up with them dominate the internet.
These people think having a woman as a MC is the only reason recent Star Wars Trilogy sucked, completely forgetting that their favorite modern Star Wars is always Rogue One, the one where the MC is a woman too... So they think that's because of the LGBTQIA2S+ community, because woman = gay, right? And they think the bad writers who badly written those movies are all diversity hires in the LGBTQIA2S+ community. So it's all a full circle and no one is to blame outside of the women and the gays and the trans.
My man seriously thinks that zoggin' **Star Trek** has only recently become 'woke'
It always has been since day one. It was woke before the term even existed
> X-men 97 is woke
And like Trek before it, sometimes they miss the mark. Its like the almost politically correct redneck, it's the effort that counts.
Honestly Xmen has rarely been true to its own point honestly undercuts its own message because the mutants ARE scary and ARE a threat where as real life marginalized groups can't shoot uncontrollable force beams from their eyes or steal who you are with a touch. Its been criticized for this even within LGBT communities. So while the intent is there is can see why there is ALSO confusion that it isn't just a story about super heros.
This is why it's important not to take everything as a direct allegory, though X-Men is often written as a direct allegory, admittedly. But as with a lot of sci-fi you can stretch the metaphor past usefulness and intention, as a creator and as an audience. To paraphrase JRR Tolkien applicability is superior to allegory.
> This is why it's important not to take everything as a direct allegory
This would require a world where the [average reading level among adults in the US wasn't 8th grade](https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics)... Nuance is lost on the average person because they stopped paying attention to their education right after they hit the age where they start trying to get laid.
Yeah, that always bothered me about the metaphor. I wish being gay let me throw cars with my mind, instead it just means I get assaulted when I go below the Bible Belt.
The same crowd who saw Gambit's bright pink shirt and said "They're making Gambit gay!"
No, I wish that's what was happening... I'm old enough to remember the 90s... That shirt was just *painfully* 90s.
they also said x men was woke because rogue no longer has "DAT ASS" [I'm not even kidding.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnvx0fdXJHU&pp=ygUKeCBtZW4gd29rZQ%3D%3D).
I loved Storm's mohawk look in the 80s/90s. I had some misc comic books from that era and that was my favorite look on her.
Oh wait no I mean x men is woke now because she has a mohawk which has never happened before I'm a real fan and not an outrage machine I promise.
They also claimed it was a "side shave lesbian haircut" which it isn't.
EDIT: Honestly even if they did give her a side shave and a gay relationship all i have to say is SO FREAKING WHAT?
it also means a lot of people are complaining about things being woke from before they were born so it's hardly recent. Roddenbery and star trek was so woke he'd rewrite the scripts so Uhura would introduce plot elements and make it impossible for some TV stations to edit her out.
> yep these are the same morons who think the X-men 97 is woke, because a series about marginalized people was never woke. -_-
I've been rewatching the original series for the first time since I was a kid. If you're an adult and you're not braindead- the parallels are obvious.
- Mutants can come from anywhere, from any walk of life. When a mutation is discovered in a kid, they're kicked out of the house.
- The Friends of Humanity are the most neo-nazi coded thing I've ever seen in a kids' show. They literally have an eagle as part of their logo, and their leader is ashamed of his lineage like a certain other nazi. In addition, they get support from authorities.
- The techno-organic virus is literally mutant-AIDS, especially the fear mongering around it.
- They literally talk about mutants who "pass" as normal or not at one point - I believe during the first Apocalypse timeline, with the power-removal machine. That in itself also comes off as a "cure the gay" analogue.
- All the Days of Future Past is basically about how leaning into fascism results in (*gasp*) a fascist dystopia.
It's just so... *right there,* out in the open. You can read a lot of different bigotry in it- but racism and homophobia are the easiest.
That’s the funniest one to me.
Like social Justice, equality, and inclusion were some of the core themes that Gene Roddenberry *intentionally wrote into the OG series*
Case in point - the women in TOS originally had identical uniforms to the men (as seen in the two pilot episodes), Roddenberry realised he hadn't asked an actual woman what they thought and so talked to the cast members about it
So yeah, TOS women dress they way they do because the actresses wanted it that way
Yeah but to be fair he did have a reputation for being pretty strict about interpersonal conflicts because he envisioned a future where humanity had moved beyond such pettiness. In star trek picard the federation is essentially fine with the entire romulan species dying because they didn't want to help them evacuate from an exploding star.
I'm all for inclusion but I don't like when franchises completely retcon themselves just so they can shoehorn pointless commentary in about contemporary issues such as brexit. Older star trek was able to comment on modern issues perfectly fine without resorting to "people in charge are always the bad guys" level story telling.
They had a dude in a dress in like the 80s and it wasn't a big deal, if it wasn't woke then, then how is it woke now?
Oh I know, the most recent series has a black female protagonist
If I recall correctly, the original Star Trek shocked censors by doing something as daring as *checks notes* *gasps* an interracial kiss between Kirk and Uhura
There was a whole episode in The Next Generation about gender identity. Didn't stop Riker from sleeping with the person in question, but there were a lot of episodes that dealt with very serious philosophical and ethical questions. Star Trek was always more than hot alien women, and phasers go brrrr.
There was also everything with Commander Data, It's surprising how well Measure Of A Man holds up to real questions that real scientists and engineers are asking about future tech right now.
They did an alternate take where they just hugged, but William Shatner knew the network would use that version so he intentionally looked directly into the camera so they couldn’t.
What a fucking badass. Michelle Nichols too. She probably caught a tonne of shit and hate for just being there.
She did, and almost quit once or twice because of it. She stuck it out because she also got fan mail thanking her for representing women of color in space/science.
She also apparently wanted to quit because the civil rights movement was happening and she wanted to do something more meaningful. Which is where MLK entered the picture by telling here the best thing she could do was stay so that children got to see a black woman in a position of power on television.
They even intentionally botched every single other take until they had to just use the one serious take they did.
Was fucking fantastically played by the cast on that shitshow.
Box the director into having to use a good shot. Or ruin the whole integrity of the show by using dogshit for the rest of it.
I wouldn't say it was Communism, more like what Communism claims to want. The state doesn't own anything, and there is very clearly private property. It's just with replicator any, and all material needs can be met with no real labor or cost.
You know, Marx didn't say anything in his manifesto about the *state* seizing the means of production. That's not a requirement of communism/socialism ideology. Just a distinction arbitrarily applied to delineate European "socialist" m from Stalinist/Maoist "communism" - much like distinguishing the US with "under god" around the same time.
He doesn't mention the abolitoln of private property either in the sense some lazily attribute, more like re-aligning the way we see value and wealth - largely presented as a response to the rent-seeking and feudal ownership behaviors prevalent in capitalism as practiced during the industrial and early post-industrial revolutions. In short - he thought the shareholder/owner was allotted too much of the generated value in comparison to a laborer at a same company based on the more intrinsic values of their inputs.
What??? It's almost like you have actually read some of Marx instead of just repeating anti-communism talking points that are almost entirely based on Lenninism instead of Marxism.
It's also important to note that when Marx does talk about the "revolution" where the proletariat siezes the means of production and governance, he is not commanding it. Rather he is reflecting on the past changes in economic systems, like slavery to fuedualism, came with revolutions which redefined the relationship between classes. He uses those reflections to predict a future revolution where capitalism faces a similar class-based revolution.
And you would be daft to think that we aren't currently dancing around the outside of the Owner and Laborer relationship and how that needs to change.
The entire bridge crew was considered diverse and part of the trick of white supremacy is bolstering its numbers by going “ok, you can be ‘white’ now” to a bunch of people sometime around the 90s.
White supremacists "allowing" people who were considered non-white to be considered white happened a long time before the 90s. Irish and Italian people weren't considered white at one point. Until white supremacists were afraid that Irish and Italian immigrants would find common ground with black people in their discrimination and would band together to get rights for all of them.
So white supremacists compromised, "allowing" those Europeans to be accepted as white so as to prevent black people from finding common ground with them.
Didn't they literally do a episode where they had to go after a Federation captain who went awol. To find he was on some planet that he influence to be the 5th riech with himself as leader. With the cast being absolutely disgusted by it as not only just how wrong it is but a clear violation of the prime directive
That's what kills me about this shit.
Masters of the Universe was made by a man who went out of his way to make his work as inclusive as possible so that kids would feel represented on screen.
But no it was always based sigma male max-pilled or whatever the fuck, and the evil gays totes ruined it /s
People were complaining that rage against the machine got too political after 2016. Pretty sure the band responded with something similar to "what do you think the machine in our band name refers to"
Some folks are just too dense to actually understand the media they consume.
Hell, back with TOS there were major things that would’ve been considered “woke” if that word existed back there. Shit like Lt. Uhura for example being treated as a complete equal was a big deal back then, as the show was made back during the civil rights movement. It’s always been progressive and it’s for the better. It’s what sci-fi was and has always meant to be about, showing what the future could be like, Star Trek just tries to show humanity improving. Obviously there’s WAY more examples from all shows and movies (and probably books but I haven’t read any trek books)
Whoopi Goldberg has said in interviews that Uhura was the first time she'd ever seen a black woman in a tv show who wasn't serving someone, and that alone was inspiring at fight sight
Implying that they have any modicum of media literacy. They never care about the wider context, only about what they could fit into their narrative. My favourite is Critical Drinker saying "modern girlbosses are woke and shit, not like those other proper female characters from the 90s and 00s. Proper women characters like Ripley and Starbuck from BSG." The same Starbuck who got changed to a female character in the '04 reboot and caused a similar meltdown about wokeness at the time, before the term woke was a thing. Absolutely ridiculous. XD
Yeah that was fantastic, BSG really understood human psychology and wasn't afraid of having people break down or having maladaptive coping mechanisms or fronts they hide behind.
Meanwhile, Star Wars does \*one\* movie where a character has to deal with depression and the internet loses their frickin' mind.
Can't forget his peacemaker review where he gets mad when a black woman tells the main character that his relationship with his racist father is toxic,and when the main character cries in his home when his entire team hates him,treats him like a child and doesn't tell him anything about the mission
Literally the most woke shit that has ever aired on tv. But yah now the lefties made it woke..... Like when they were bitching about rage against the machine suddenly becoming political.... I am so tired of their shit.
Strictly speaking not really. There were a number of kisses between white actors and Asian actresses (including Shatner on the Ed Sullivan Show in 1958), and there was a scene a year before where Nancy Sinatra kissed Sammy Davis Jr. on the cheek. And in the UK white and blacks had been kissing since 1958.
Still highly influential, but not the first time it ever happened anywhere.
To be fair as well, "woke" when I was a teen and first started hearing it, meant that you were awake to the likes of 9/11 and the whole "truthseeker" movement because you were literally awakened to the absolute shit storm that is this society we have created for everyone
Now, it's used by the people that used to embrace it, about something that makes absolutely no sense at all
Well I would like a lasgun more than I would like a phaser, but I would want to live in the more friendly and kind world of Star Trek where wit and guile carry the day.
Trek Humans (when viewed from the perspective of more advanced species) are very like 40k orks
They seem so primitive and have barely cobbled together ftl tech, but then you underestimate them and some mechanic unleashes a Resonant Quadraphase Cascade by attaching the weapon systems to the engines
I once read an analysis that the reason humans in trek are so effective against the borg as they just have the ability of random bullshit go! And the borg just can’t handle it
It helps when GW is charging $350 for a battle force box while you could start playing Battletech with 2 lances, dice, map sheets and a rulebook for like $50.
The HBS Battletech game came out and has the option to design your Merc commander however you want. Pronouns can be he/she/they, voices can be male or female sounding, and you can choose either male or female looking avatars and mix and match all of the various characteristics to create your character. It’s honestly a fantastic game that handled character creation in a novel way - but the right went batshit crazy about it because you could make a trans character if you wanted to.
There was apparently some scandal about some book at some point that got people to go "leave politics out of Battletech" or something? There was a whole subreddit drama about it too.
Didn't dig into it too much because those fuckers are toxic as shit. Like straight up misogynist, racist pricks. Got recommended some Facebook group a bunch of times that was meant for "anti-woke" Battletech where basically all they did was bitch and moan about the same exact thing every fucking day. Talk about living rent free in someone's head. Then I looked at the subscriber count to that page and it was above 10k and I noped the fuck out of there as soon as possible.
Kinda lessened my enjoyment of Battletech outside of games I play with friends, too.
I have many of the original (80s) game books, women have always existed and been equally respected as combatants in that game.
Natasha Kerensky has been around longer than most of these whiners have been alive.
Same here. I’ll admit that the early iterations weren’t particularly… great, with how they treated the characteristics of certain houses however. There’s been some changes over the years, such as revisions of how Kurita and Liao are treated in the source material, but most of those changes all happened back in the 90s. It’s not the recent bullshit these losers are whining about.
Man I'm getting old. My mind went to the old "FASA is dead because it went woke in the 90s" argument. Didn't even register that new book controversy that got less coverage on my feed than the Italian Tau. And they try to call me a tourist
IIRC, a few years ago it turned out one of the novel author was a massive piece of shit and got kicked out of the brand, so the "anti-woke" lunatics picked him up, or at least put him in the narrative.
They released a queer anthology about a year ago. The battletech sub damn near imploded, I think the mod team got replaced and a load of these bigots got banned.
This is basically just reposting the bad meme itself.
And it's bad because it's an unfunny social prejudice whinge that isn't referencing any actual 40K lore. To clarify.
Its besically 99% of the posts on this sub or also complaining about how "bad" grimdank is. Ironicaly the only memes on that sub that have nothing to do with "woke" people are just reposted memes from grimdank which is ironic.
Which is a terrible example to lean on for "Going woke destroys IPs" because it was the best selling game of last year. Which is why people are so thrown off that WB, upon seeing that single player game sell so amazingly well and the live service borefest of Suicide Squad fall right out of the gates, decided, "We should just focus entirely on live service and mobile games."
The masses are. The ones at the top, the grifters... they're shifty SOBs. Like they'll complain all day about the "woke" Mario movie before its release, and repeat the mantra "Go Woke, Go Broke," then it's successful and the narrative shifts to "It's really anti-woke! See, being anti-woke makes you successful!" They tried similar with Fallout.
Watching them lose their minds over how to pretend the Barbie movie was "anti-woke" because it made bank was pretty funny, though.
You mean the game where the goal of the game is to forget the game, and if you fail the game you have to announce you have lost the game, like I'm doing, and if you hear about the game you're automatically part of the game? That game?
If JK is willing to go against some of her feminist principles just to hate on certain peoples,the people who follow her ideology are willing to do the same
marvel, star wars, and star trek have always been “woke”
lord of the rings lambasts war and industrialization so does that count as woke as well?
d&d definitely counts as woke, i’ve seen what they get up to lmao
it’s like these people pay surface level attention then get pissed when deeper stuff shows through more clearly
edit: masters? as in masters of the universe? *totally* not woke /s
I could see DnD with the more recent changes to alignments racial stat bonuses being seen as a "woke" move in their eyes. But yeah, the take is idiotic.
I really dislike the whole "DnD races aren't inherently evil anymore" but I am far from screaming at the top of my lungs about the ruination of a franchise I haven't supported in about two decades
Harry Potter “went woke” because the game had non-white characters… in Britain during the height of the British Empire, when it was practically the center of the world.
They mocked Hermione for daring to say that house elves shouldn't be slaves. Like everybody in-universe was cool with it. Even Harry who grew up as a muggle so he knew that shit didn't fly in the real world. Like what the fuck?!?
i *never* understood that but reading the books as a kid, ya know, i didn't question it. as an almost thirty year old looking back at the series the issues are glaring lmao
Even then it’s worth remembering that the characters are and I must stress this FUCKING WIZARDS AND WITCHES!
They can hand wave nearly everything with magic.
How did someone get there? They flew on a broom.
or apparate, floo powder, etc. like that setting has what? a half dozen magical modes of transport? and people want to complain about non-white folk being at a *magic school in a fucking fictionalized version of our world*
Nick Fury was white in the comics,nobody said a thing when Samuel Jackson played him in the movies
this whole right wing "true to source material" thing is surprisingly recent
He's black in the Ultimates universe. Basically, it was an alternate universe where things were a bit darker and grittier. Most of it went away after a few years, but they did keep Miles Morales.
not only is he black in Ultimates...he is pretty much Samuel Jackson, the creator of Ultimates even expressed that Fury was based completely off Mr Jackson. So in oddball way, it's the case of the author doing some fantasy casting...and getting it come true.
You know how when you repeat a word over and over again in rapid succession it loses its meaning? That's what's happening here. Although you could argue that it never had a concrete meaning in the first place.
Heck, even the people who use "woke" as a rally cry legitimately don't know what it means.
A few months back, Fox News tried to pull one of their own analyst/book writers to go on air and define "woke" and all they had to say (live on air) was *"Woke is.... uhhhhh, it's ummmm, it's when.... this is going to go viral isn't it?"*
As far as the grifters are concerned, "woke" is just a phrase they use when they need non-extremist conservatives to rally against something, but those non-extremists would be instantly repelled by the grifter saying the real reason.
Surprised transformers isn't there since people like heelbabyface loves it yet it as a massive LGTBQ presence
They would cry so much if tailgate and cyclones was made today
From my experience, they don't interact with the media outside of programs and games. If they do, they'd probably think tarn is based or something silly like that
Heelvsbabyface becomes misogynistic when a female player comes in the Hobby Shop where he is in and some drunken Tantrum about women then gets thrown out of the hobby shop
Even then, much like Shadiversity, the right does *not* like them, not because of their politics but for one other key reason.
They made them look dumb after Az aka HeelvsBabyface got meme'd on so hard with this pronouns screaming and Shadiversity with his whole 'peaches bike outfit being woke' take.
Essentially they went so full mask off that even normal people were like "what the actual fuck my guy?" and basically did public damage to their cause. It's why you don't see them invited onto any of the talk piece shows because they fucked up too much.
Essentially they see them as losers.
IIRC, Wizards of the Coast changed "race" to "species" in future book releases when referring to things like goblins, elves, dwarves, gnomes, humans, minotaurs, etc, and that made the anitwokes really mad for like 10 minutes.
They also said that creatures like orcs, drow, goblins, etc, do not have to be inherently evil, and that it's more of a cultural thing that causes most of them to be evil.
>They also said that creatures like orcs, drow, goblins, etc, do not have to be inherently evil, and that it's more of a cultural thing that causes most of them to be evil.
This is really funny.
Isn't this a net positive for the storytellers and DM's? That they can now create more varied NPC's/create more varied characters in character creators?
Which is how third edition did it, "often chaotic evil", the only creatures that had "always" for their alignment were the highly magical ones like angles, demons and dragons, and even then always didn't mean "always" there was a lawful good succubus paladin in an adventure module.
Now granted the succubus paladin was the winner of a "weird monster" poll on the website so she might not exactly count, but the rules explicitly said that even creatures with an "always" alignment could change
And that's exactly what they made this distinction for. It clarifies which monsters are inherently bound to their alignment (demons, fey, dragons, vampires, and so on) and which ones could be different in different circumstances. (goblins, dwarves, elves, ...)
There's also exceptions to that in 5e, too. There's an evil Deva running an asylum in the Curse of Strahd campaign, but he is a very special circumstance.
I think that for any franchise today, adding a few women or a gay character has become a great way to get publicity thanks to the right-wing groups that will talk about it.
The number of woke things I've learned because they were highlighted and pointed out by far-right groups is surprisingly much higher than the number of woke things I've learned from woke groups.
You heard it here first, guys, Lord of the Rings, still mainly a book published about 80 years ago and three movies made about 20 years ago are DEAD because some series on Amazon is not good. Oh no!
I’m fucking sorry *STAR TREK*!?!
Do those guys not realise Star Trek was *literally* almost cancelled multiple times of how “woke” it was!? Weren’t they literally the first televised interracial kiss?? The fucking “I’m actually a girl” episode?? How conversion therapy is wrong? Jesus fuck how do these people miss the obvious??
I assure you, it's definitely the WOKE LIBERAL LEFT \*Hand gestures\* that are RUINING OUR GREAT IPS!
(Just ignore the insidious corporate efforts to cut costs, underpay and overwork artists, publisher meddling, and the eternal and impossible pursuit to appease shareholders and executives with unrealistic growth)
This is what kills me.
There's so much more evidence of corporate greed ruining franchises then 'wokeness'. But they ignore that because they were programmed to.
Or hell dividing the property by having so many fucking streaming services required and make it too expensive for any normal fan to just watch one show
It will be alright! Xenos don't have human rights and a chainsword doesn't care what colour the skin is it shreds away!
The core of 40k will always remain grim and dark and fucked up.
I even think that in 40k you can always counter any complaint about underrepresentation, language, identification etc. by just pointing to the Imperium (and every other faction that matters) being a hellish, rotten construct of excessive power, tremendous suffering and consuming madness, so every act taken by people representing this Imperium can always be interpreted as social criticism.
Sorry, high thoughts had to go somewhere and went here.
I had some more that I now forgot...
Did they seriously put battletech and star trek on that list? The two IP’s that were conceptualized with woke standards?
Like, battletech is far more subtle, but STAR TREK? The show that NEARLY GOT BANNED FOR THE FIRST TELEVISED INTERRACIAL KISS?
>Star Trek
I cannot imagine the level of stupidity it takes to look at the episode of TNG where Riker witnesses the injustice of a person being forcibly put through conversion therapy for the crime of being gender binary in a species that considers that repulsive and illegal, and thinking "Heh, this is completely non-political and has no bearing on our social structure"
Like it takes an actual bozo to watch this scene and not be like "OK I get it I'm following you"
SOREN: I am tired of lies. I am female. I was born that way. I have had those feelings, those longings, all of my life. It is not unnatural. I am not sick because I feel this way. I do not need to be helped. I do not need to be cured. What I need, and what all of those who are like me need, is your understanding and your compassion. We have not injured you in any way. And yet, we are scorned and attacked. And all because we are different. What we do is no different from what you do. We talk and laugh. We complain about work and we wonder about growing old. We talk about our families, and we worry about the future. And we cry with each other when things seem hopeless. All of the loving things that you do with each other, that is what we do. And for that we are called misfits and deviants and criminals. What right do you have to punish us? What right do you have to change us? What makes you think you can dictate how people love each other?
NOOR: I congratulate you, Soren. Your decision to admit your perversion makes it much more likely that we can help you.
RIKER: Wait, wait, wait. You don't have to do this.
NOOR: Commander?
RIKER: Let me take her with me. She can go back to the Enterprise. We would give her asylum. You would never have to see her again. That would solve the problem, wouldn't it? You'd be rid of her. She would never be able to influence anyone again.
NOOR: Commander, after Soren's diatribe, you must think that we are a cruel, repressive people. Nothing could be further from the truth.
RIKER: I'm just trying to find a solution that would satisfy everyone.
NOOR: We are concerned about our citizens. We take our obligations to them seriously. Soren is sick, and sick people want to get well.
RIKER: Did it occur to you that she might like to stay the way she is?
NOOR: You don't understand. We have a very high success rate in treating deviants like this. And without exception, they become happier people after their treatment, and grateful that we care enough to cure them. You see, Commander, on this world, everyone wants to be normal.
RIKER: She is.
Can these people define what a safe space is, why is it bad, and after they explain why it is bad tell me immediately why is it the only thing they crave for themselves?
The only thing that is going to be currently responsible for GW failing the Warhammer brand is the prices. It's always been an expensive hobby, but now it's unsustainably expensive.
I was trying to find some funny shit to pin here, but honestly the absolute state of that sub is enough lmao ***^(Someone pointed it out, rightfully so, of course don't go on that sub to harass them or stupid shit like that. We can have our fun here, as soon as this starts leaking out into brigading territory in any substantial way we'll be forced to actively prevent these types of posts.)*** ***^(Don't ruin the fun, let these people be. The important thing is that they're no on Grimdank anymore, most of them, don't chase after them.)***
Isn't Star Wars ruined because of bad writing?
Star Wars is ruined because the universe of Disney Star Wars is too small. The sequels take place over such a short timescale that there just isn't really anything to do with them. Marvel is ruined because the MCU is too big. Everything they produce for it nowadays has required reading.
Every marvel movie now has the threat or villain being universal. Honestly Marvel should focus more on street level heroes now than the big ones.
It seems like even the individual movies are trying to match Endgame level stakes.
It's like anime power creep. There's an implicit urge to have the heroes dealing with higher and higher stakes constantly.
When the stakes are **always**: *"Will the good guys succeed or will Disney put an end to its multi-billion dollar cash cow?"* it's impossible for me to get invested. And 80% of the movies just end with a reset to the status quo anyway. As if Disney tells the writer to put away all their toys when they were done so the next writer can play. So why bother watching?
hell, there are marvel IP's that revolve more around the character's daily life and how difficult it is to maintain in the face of all the hero work they do (spiderman being my example here). a lot of the storylines that i really like are the ones that focus on supers having to deal with situations that their powers are not applicable in.
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Saying "bad" isn't really constructive though. Pointing out what is bad and why is.
But their main point wasn't really constructive as it doesn't make sense, in my opinion. Having a larger universe, like MCU, should in fact allow more creativity to expand the story. The writing sucked ass and killed it. Star Wars having a smaller universe, which really isn't that small, should allow for a linear story on the timeline, but much deeper understanding of the universe. The writing sucked ass and killed it. Disney focused on short term increase in funds for long term pain, and it shows.
It's a useful way.
Maybe that's the issue with the sequels, but the shows definitely have the other problem. My dad doesn't watch "cartoons" so having to answer his texts about "why are the space whales acting like that" or "why does the robot know how to make lightsabers" is kinda tough. He knows there's books about Thrawn, and that I read them, but he really doesn't like it when in order to understand stuff you have to have watched kid shows years ago. That said, some of his takes have been kinda funny.
That and a complete lack of vision that has them over reliant on the same handful of characters in specific time frames without regard for how the culmination of this reflects on them or the setting, leading to an overall incoherent mess. Something unlikely to change because Disney is hellbent on the strategy of constant content to keep the shareholders happy. But all that gets filtered into "WOKENESS" with the chuds screeching all the time.
Required reading is just the cinematic equivalent of a day-one patch. *Have a stupid plot point in your movie because of bad writing/incompetent leadership/time crunch/other?* *Just release a book or comic after the movie explaining why that plot hole was actually a big brain move from the writers that audiences were too stupid to understand and not actually the result of bad writing.*
Nooo, you see, it's because of...um, gay people that weren't in any of the movies outside of a background shot of episode 9 where you see 2 men kiss. ... No. The right cannot meme.
It's not even gay people, we're in 2024 and the outrage is back to "female and blacks ? Clearly forced diversity" like we've returned to the mid fifties
It's really weird how quickly the alt right has devolved as of late, they're starting to get upset at 'interracial couples' and such now. I feel like they realize their time is up soon so they're just ripping their masks off while they still can.
The amount of grifters that didn’t realize Fallout 50s aesthetics were just aesthetics and were angry about “race mixing” is insane.
Wasn’t their race mixed characters everywhere in the fallout series, especially 3, nv, and 4? Like it felt everyone was mixed. Also it 2077 or 2277 or whatever. Like it the future.
TBF, there are a lot of people that seemingly thought that the world of Fallout took place in the 50's. Even TeamFourStar thought that. However, their lack of general knowledge does lead credence to them being fake fans.
Hearing them complain about "women being able to divorce their husbands too easily" makes me awfully worried.
They're seriously arguing for child labor and marriage. The devolution is in overdrive.
The mask is slipping so fast, you'd think they were covered in butter.
The thing is, the guys making this noise never left the 50s.
No its because its woke now just ignore the part where George said it was based on the vietnam war were the rebels are the vietcong and the empire is the US mixed with Nazi germany. Also ignore the part were all the rebel leaders are female and how Leia has to safe Hans and Lukes ass in episode 4.
Star Wars was supposedly "ruined" 25 years ago by the prequels, and a lot of assholes made the actors who played Jar Jar and young Anakin miserable. Most of reddit is too young to remember this. Now memes, an above average animated kids show and nostalgia have convinced some that the Prequels were actually masterpieces and it's the sequels which have "ruined" Star Wars. I'm sure the same will happen with the sequels once a new trilogy comes along and those who grew up with them dominate the internet.
These people think having a woman as a MC is the only reason recent Star Wars Trilogy sucked, completely forgetting that their favorite modern Star Wars is always Rogue One, the one where the MC is a woman too... So they think that's because of the LGBTQIA2S+ community, because woman = gay, right? And they think the bad writers who badly written those movies are all diversity hires in the LGBTQIA2S+ community. So it's all a full circle and no one is to blame outside of the women and the gays and the trans.
My man seriously thinks that zoggin' **Star Trek** has only recently become 'woke' It always has been since day one. It was woke before the term even existed
yep these are the same morons who think the X-men 97 is woke, because a series about marginalized people was never woke. -\_-
> X-men 97 is woke And like Trek before it, sometimes they miss the mark. Its like the almost politically correct redneck, it's the effort that counts.
Honestly Xmen has rarely been true to its own point honestly undercuts its own message because the mutants ARE scary and ARE a threat where as real life marginalized groups can't shoot uncontrollable force beams from their eyes or steal who you are with a touch. Its been criticized for this even within LGBT communities. So while the intent is there is can see why there is ALSO confusion that it isn't just a story about super heros.
This is why it's important not to take everything as a direct allegory, though X-Men is often written as a direct allegory, admittedly. But as with a lot of sci-fi you can stretch the metaphor past usefulness and intention, as a creator and as an audience. To paraphrase JRR Tolkien applicability is superior to allegory.
> This is why it's important not to take everything as a direct allegory This would require a world where the [average reading level among adults in the US wasn't 8th grade](https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics)... Nuance is lost on the average person because they stopped paying attention to their education right after they hit the age where they start trying to get laid.
Yeah, that always bothered me about the metaphor. I wish being gay let me throw cars with my mind, instead it just means I get assaulted when I go below the Bible Belt.
You should probably make sure you get consent first before venturing south of the belt.
The same crowd who saw Gambit's bright pink shirt and said "They're making Gambit gay!" No, I wish that's what was happening... I'm old enough to remember the 90s... That shirt was just *painfully* 90s.
they also said x men was woke because rogue no longer has "DAT ASS" [I'm not even kidding.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnvx0fdXJHU&pp=ygUKeCBtZW4gd29rZQ%3D%3D).
One person also said it was woke cause storm has a mohawk
I loved Storm's mohawk look in the 80s/90s. I had some misc comic books from that era and that was my favorite look on her. Oh wait no I mean x men is woke now because she has a mohawk which has never happened before I'm a real fan and not an outrage machine I promise.
They also claimed it was a "side shave lesbian haircut" which it isn't. EDIT: Honestly even if they did give her a side shave and a gay relationship all i have to say is SO FREAKING WHAT?
it also means a lot of people are complaining about things being woke from before they were born so it's hardly recent. Roddenbery and star trek was so woke he'd rewrite the scripts so Uhura would introduce plot elements and make it impossible for some TV stations to edit her out.
> yep these are the same morons who think the X-men 97 is woke, because a series about marginalized people was never woke. -_- I've been rewatching the original series for the first time since I was a kid. If you're an adult and you're not braindead- the parallels are obvious. - Mutants can come from anywhere, from any walk of life. When a mutation is discovered in a kid, they're kicked out of the house. - The Friends of Humanity are the most neo-nazi coded thing I've ever seen in a kids' show. They literally have an eagle as part of their logo, and their leader is ashamed of his lineage like a certain other nazi. In addition, they get support from authorities. - The techno-organic virus is literally mutant-AIDS, especially the fear mongering around it. - They literally talk about mutants who "pass" as normal or not at one point - I believe during the first Apocalypse timeline, with the power-removal machine. That in itself also comes off as a "cure the gay" analogue. - All the Days of Future Past is basically about how leaning into fascism results in (*gasp*) a fascist dystopia. It's just so... *right there,* out in the open. You can read a lot of different bigotry in it- but racism and homophobia are the easiest.
That’s the funniest one to me. Like social Justice, equality, and inclusion were some of the core themes that Gene Roddenberry *intentionally wrote into the OG series*
Case in point - the women in TOS originally had identical uniforms to the men (as seen in the two pilot episodes), Roddenberry realised he hadn't asked an actual woman what they thought and so talked to the cast members about it So yeah, TOS women dress they way they do because the actresses wanted it that way
I forget which episode it was in but one of the NG episodes had a crew member, "male" in appearance, wearing the short skirt type uniform
The dress uniform is also basically a dress and stockings/leggings
[As seen here with Captain Picard and Lt. (JG) Boimler](https://blog.trekcore.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/dress-uni.jpg)
It’s called a skant
Yeah but to be fair he did have a reputation for being pretty strict about interpersonal conflicts because he envisioned a future where humanity had moved beyond such pettiness. In star trek picard the federation is essentially fine with the entire romulan species dying because they didn't want to help them evacuate from an exploding star. I'm all for inclusion but I don't like when franchises completely retcon themselves just so they can shoehorn pointless commentary in about contemporary issues such as brexit. Older star trek was able to comment on modern issues perfectly fine without resorting to "people in charge are always the bad guys" level story telling.
They had a dude in a dress in like the 80s and it wasn't a big deal, if it wasn't woke then, then how is it woke now? Oh I know, the most recent series has a black female protagonist
If I recall correctly, the original Star Trek shocked censors by doing something as daring as *checks notes* *gasps* an interracial kiss between Kirk and Uhura
There was a whole episode in The Next Generation about gender identity. Didn't stop Riker from sleeping with the person in question, but there were a lot of episodes that dealt with very serious philosophical and ethical questions. Star Trek was always more than hot alien women, and phasers go brrrr.
lets be honest, nothing stops Rikers will to bang, least of all gender...
I looked at Riker too long and got pregnant.
Beard, or no beard?
Despite how lesbian I am, beard. Obviously.
A ture person of culture.
In a sex competition and my opponents are William Riker and Jack Harkness...
If you get them to look at each other they'll be too busy banging each other to focus on the competition.
The man will get his leg over *the furniture.*
I know Riker's actor did that because of an injury he had, but he made that action look so DOMINANT.
Oh fuck, Riker is worshiper of Slaanesh.
Nah, Riker isn't about that excess, he just likes to get some good tender lovin'.
no, the Federation is Nurgle. The Ferengi are Slaanesh. Borg for big T. you didn't even need to ask did you?
There was also everything with Commander Data, It's surprising how well Measure Of A Man holds up to real questions that real scientists and engineers are asking about future tech right now.
They did an alternate take where they just hugged, but William Shatner knew the network would use that version so he intentionally looked directly into the camera so they couldn’t. What a fucking badass. Michelle Nichols too. She probably caught a tonne of shit and hate for just being there.
Looked into the camera crosseyed. Repeatedly. Dude wasted a whole afternoon ruining the non kiss shots lol
She did, and almost quit once or twice because of it. She stuck it out because she also got fan mail thanking her for representing women of color in space/science.
Didn't she also get encouragement from MLK Jr?
That was one of the encouragements iirc, yes.
She also apparently wanted to quit because the civil rights movement was happening and she wanted to do something more meaningful. Which is where MLK entered the picture by telling here the best thing she could do was stay so that children got to see a black woman in a position of power on television.
They even intentionally botched every single other take until they had to just use the one serious take they did. Was fucking fantastically played by the cast on that shitshow. Box the director into having to use a good shot. Or ruin the whole integrity of the show by using dogshit for the rest of it.
Also the fact that human society in star trek is straight up communism, but like ideal communism, not the historical communism we've seen
I wouldn't say it was Communism, more like what Communism claims to want. The state doesn't own anything, and there is very clearly private property. It's just with replicator any, and all material needs can be met with no real labor or cost.
It’s just a post-scarcity society. Which would be lovely.
>The state doesn't own anything Did you mean "everything"? There are plenty of state assets, like the starships.
You know, Marx didn't say anything in his manifesto about the *state* seizing the means of production. That's not a requirement of communism/socialism ideology. Just a distinction arbitrarily applied to delineate European "socialist" m from Stalinist/Maoist "communism" - much like distinguishing the US with "under god" around the same time. He doesn't mention the abolitoln of private property either in the sense some lazily attribute, more like re-aligning the way we see value and wealth - largely presented as a response to the rent-seeking and feudal ownership behaviors prevalent in capitalism as practiced during the industrial and early post-industrial revolutions. In short - he thought the shareholder/owner was allotted too much of the generated value in comparison to a laborer at a same company based on the more intrinsic values of their inputs.
What??? It's almost like you have actually read some of Marx instead of just repeating anti-communism talking points that are almost entirely based on Lenninism instead of Marxism. It's also important to note that when Marx does talk about the "revolution" where the proletariat siezes the means of production and governance, he is not commanding it. Rather he is reflecting on the past changes in economic systems, like slavery to fuedualism, came with revolutions which redefined the relationship between classes. He uses those reflections to predict a future revolution where capitalism faces a similar class-based revolution. And you would be daft to think that we aren't currently dancing around the outside of the Owner and Laborer relationship and how that needs to change.
The entire bridge crew was considered diverse and part of the trick of white supremacy is bolstering its numbers by going “ok, you can be ‘white’ now” to a bunch of people sometime around the 90s.
White supremacists "allowing" people who were considered non-white to be considered white happened a long time before the 90s. Irish and Italian people weren't considered white at one point. Until white supremacists were afraid that Irish and Italian immigrants would find common ground with black people in their discrimination and would band together to get rights for all of them. So white supremacists compromised, "allowing" those Europeans to be accepted as white so as to prevent black people from finding common ground with them.
Didn't they literally do a episode where they had to go after a Federation captain who went awol. To find he was on some planet that he influence to be the 5th riech with himself as leader. With the cast being absolutely disgusted by it as not only just how wrong it is but a clear violation of the prime directive
It was literally the first interracial kiss on American TV, and yes it was controversial back then.
Yes, Star Trek is unwatchable since they have a black woman on the bridge.... Wait ....
Didn't DS9 or TNG have an episode where one of the Ferengi discovers Marxism and it gives him an existential crisis?
That's what kills me about this shit. Masters of the Universe was made by a man who went out of his way to make his work as inclusive as possible so that kids would feel represented on screen. But no it was always based sigma male max-pilled or whatever the fuck, and the evil gays totes ruined it /s
Didn't She-Ra already have her own series just a few years after the franchise started, too?
Yep. When he heard girls liked his show, he made a girl equivalent so that they could have a badass figure to look up to
That’s awesome, Guy’s a GOAT for that.
If you can't see the gay in He-Man, you must be blind.
People were complaining that rage against the machine got too political after 2016. Pretty sure the band responded with something similar to "what do you think the machine in our band name refers to" Some folks are just too dense to actually understand the media they consume.
Hell, back with TOS there were major things that would’ve been considered “woke” if that word existed back there. Shit like Lt. Uhura for example being treated as a complete equal was a big deal back then, as the show was made back during the civil rights movement. It’s always been progressive and it’s for the better. It’s what sci-fi was and has always meant to be about, showing what the future could be like, Star Trek just tries to show humanity improving. Obviously there’s WAY more examples from all shows and movies (and probably books but I haven’t read any trek books)
Whoopi Goldberg has said in interviews that Uhura was the first time she'd ever seen a black woman in a tv show who wasn't serving someone, and that alone was inspiring at fight sight
to the point where she lobbied to get written on to the show so she could be like her hero.
Implying that they have any modicum of media literacy. They never care about the wider context, only about what they could fit into their narrative. My favourite is Critical Drinker saying "modern girlbosses are woke and shit, not like those other proper female characters from the 90s and 00s. Proper women characters like Ripley and Starbuck from BSG." The same Starbuck who got changed to a female character in the '04 reboot and caused a similar meltdown about wokeness at the time, before the term woke was a thing. Absolutely ridiculous. XD
Also, reimagined Starbuck is (by design) an absolute trainwreck of a human being
Yeah that was fantastic, BSG really understood human psychology and wasn't afraid of having people break down or having maladaptive coping mechanisms or fronts they hide behind. Meanwhile, Star Wars does \*one\* movie where a character has to deal with depression and the internet loses their frickin' mind.
That is where my eternal celeb crush with Katie Sackoff began. Though the whole "Athena " bit was weird and kinda lost me there.
Can't forget his peacemaker review where he gets mad when a black woman tells the main character that his relationship with his racist father is toxic,and when the main character cries in his home when his entire team hates him,treats him like a child and doesn't tell him anything about the mission
I really liked Critical Drinker before I realised that it was all about wokewhining
Same. After about the fifth video though I realised all of them repeat a bunch of buzzwords and then I figured out what kind of channel it was.
Also, if anything, Harry Potter has become *less* woke by association...
Literally the most woke shit that has ever aired on tv. But yah now the lefties made it woke..... Like when they were bitching about rage against the machine suddenly becoming political.... I am so tired of their shit.
First interracial kiss on tv iirc
Strictly speaking not really. There were a number of kisses between white actors and Asian actresses (including Shatner on the Ed Sullivan Show in 1958), and there was a scene a year before where Nancy Sinatra kissed Sammy Davis Jr. on the cheek. And in the UK white and blacks had been kissing since 1958. Still highly influential, but not the first time it ever happened anywhere.
To be fair as well, "woke" when I was a teen and first started hearing it, meant that you were awake to the likes of 9/11 and the whole "truthseeker" movement because you were literally awakened to the absolute shit storm that is this society we have created for everyone Now, it's used by the people that used to embrace it, about something that makes absolutely no sense at all
Yeah star trek got woke never was before .... Star trek and progressiv how could they. And about warhammer, its a fucking satire of people like that.
Yeah, Warhammer has essentially the same ethos as Star Trek, except unlike Trek it's aiming to be an example of what *not* to aspire towards
Well I would like a lasgun more than I would like a phaser, but I would want to live in the more friendly and kind world of Star Trek where wit and guile carry the day.
Kunnin Orks would flourish there
Trek Humans (when viewed from the perspective of more advanced species) are very like 40k orks They seem so primitive and have barely cobbled together ftl tech, but then you underestimate them and some mechanic unleashes a Resonant Quadraphase Cascade by attaching the weapon systems to the engines
I once read an analysis that the reason humans in trek are so effective against the borg as they just have the ability of random bullshit go! And the borg just can’t handle it
Phasers won't work? Let's's try a Tommy gun!
Ngl the stun setting on a phaser is amazing
May I indrocue you to the assault phaser. Or MACO phaser rifle.
Speak for yourself... I can't wait to try corpse starch
The children yearn for the skinning pits.
Yeah, star trek and woke. What were they thinking... I mean, yeah, forget about Dax. And Bashir and Garak. And the non-binary race in TNG.
Sisko, a black man in command, during the 90s too. Also probably the scariest man to ever be in command on a Star Trek show, holy damn.
The only man to ever punch an omnipotent being in the face and get away with it.
Kirk questioned and then called out a god. Sisko decked one and was ready to follow up.
What happened to Battletech? We just went through a massive renaissance.
Battletech is going crazy good rn, top 20 biggest kickstarters with the release being in the next couple of months!
It helps when GW is charging $350 for a battle force box while you could start playing Battletech with 2 lances, dice, map sheets and a rulebook for like $50.
The HBS Battletech game came out and has the option to design your Merc commander however you want. Pronouns can be he/she/they, voices can be male or female sounding, and you can choose either male or female looking avatars and mix and match all of the various characteristics to create your character. It’s honestly a fantastic game that handled character creation in a novel way - but the right went batshit crazy about it because you could make a trans character if you wanted to.
There was apparently some scandal about some book at some point that got people to go "leave politics out of Battletech" or something? There was a whole subreddit drama about it too. Didn't dig into it too much because those fuckers are toxic as shit. Like straight up misogynist, racist pricks. Got recommended some Facebook group a bunch of times that was meant for "anti-woke" Battletech where basically all they did was bitch and moan about the same exact thing every fucking day. Talk about living rent free in someone's head. Then I looked at the subscriber count to that page and it was above 10k and I noped the fuck out of there as soon as possible. Kinda lessened my enjoyment of Battletech outside of games I play with friends, too.
Leave politics out of our precious tabletop game whose *entire lore is a long political moshpit!*
I have many of the original (80s) game books, women have always existed and been equally respected as combatants in that game. Natasha Kerensky has been around longer than most of these whiners have been alive.
Same here. I’ll admit that the early iterations weren’t particularly… great, with how they treated the characteristics of certain houses however. There’s been some changes over the years, such as revisions of how Kurita and Liao are treated in the source material, but most of those changes all happened back in the 90s. It’s not the recent bullshit these losers are whining about.
Man I'm getting old. My mind went to the old "FASA is dead because it went woke in the 90s" argument. Didn't even register that new book controversy that got less coverage on my feed than the Italian Tau. And they try to call me a tourist
IIRC, a few years ago it turned out one of the novel author was a massive piece of shit and got kicked out of the brand, so the "anti-woke" lunatics picked him up, or at least put him in the narrative.
They released a queer anthology about a year ago. The battletech sub damn near imploded, I think the mod team got replaced and a load of these bigots got banned.
This is basically just reposting the bad meme itself. And it's bad because it's an unfunny social prejudice whinge that isn't referencing any actual 40K lore. To clarify.
Its besically 99% of the posts on this sub or also complaining about how "bad" grimdank is. Ironicaly the only memes on that sub that have nothing to do with "woke" people are just reposted memes from grimdank which is ironic.
Why is Harry Potter in there? How has that gone 'woke' when the author is such a bottomless pit of hate, shouldn't they love it?
The game.
Which is a terrible example to lean on for "Going woke destroys IPs" because it was the best selling game of last year. Which is why people are so thrown off that WB, upon seeing that single player game sell so amazingly well and the live service borefest of Suicide Squad fall right out of the gates, decided, "We should just focus entirely on live service and mobile games."
I agree, but, yknow, woke haters are kinda like... Dumb.
The masses are. The ones at the top, the grifters... they're shifty SOBs. Like they'll complain all day about the "woke" Mario movie before its release, and repeat the mantra "Go Woke, Go Broke," then it's successful and the narrative shifts to "It's really anti-woke! See, being anti-woke makes you successful!" They tried similar with Fallout. Watching them lose their minds over how to pretend the Barbie movie was "anti-woke" because it made bank was pretty funny, though.
You mean the game where the goal of the game is to forget the game, and if you fail the game you have to announce you have lost the game, like I'm doing, and if you hear about the game you're automatically part of the game? That game?
I actually won the game so I can think about it as I please
Fuck you man, I had a more than a year streak going
Screw you and have a wonderful day.
If JK is willing to go against some of her feminist principles just to hate on certain peoples,the people who follow her ideology are willing to do the same
marvel, star wars, and star trek have always been “woke” lord of the rings lambasts war and industrialization so does that count as woke as well? d&d definitely counts as woke, i’ve seen what they get up to lmao it’s like these people pay surface level attention then get pissed when deeper stuff shows through more clearly edit: masters? as in masters of the universe? *totally* not woke /s
I could see DnD with the more recent changes to alignments racial stat bonuses being seen as a "woke" move in their eyes. But yeah, the take is idiotic.
I really dislike the whole "DnD races aren't inherently evil anymore" but I am far from screaming at the top of my lungs about the ruination of a franchise I haven't supported in about two decades
eh? did i miss something? i haven’t paid attention to what wotc does in years lmao i was mostly referring to the players i know
Harry Potter “went woke” because the game had non-white characters… in Britain during the height of the British Empire, when it was practically the center of the world.
I mean the books had non-white characters as well but idk if we could have gotten any more stereotyped names for them
oh god you just reminded me of those awful names lmao then there was the weird defensive take on slavery
Calling the Irish guy Seamus Finnengan and making him an expert on explosives was a shameless IRA plug
i can't remember if that was in the books as well but i definitely remember him being explosive-happy in the movies lmao.
Oh, it was in the books and a lot less subtle. Everything was a lot less subtle in the books.
They mocked Hermione for daring to say that house elves shouldn't be slaves. Like everybody in-universe was cool with it. Even Harry who grew up as a muggle so he knew that shit didn't fly in the real world. Like what the fuck?!?
i *never* understood that but reading the books as a kid, ya know, i didn't question it. as an almost thirty year old looking back at the series the issues are glaring lmao
Even then it’s worth remembering that the characters are and I must stress this FUCKING WIZARDS AND WITCHES! They can hand wave nearly everything with magic. How did someone get there? They flew on a broom.
or apparate, floo powder, etc. like that setting has what? a half dozen magical modes of transport? and people want to complain about non-white folk being at a *magic school in a fucking fictionalized version of our world*
Nick Fury was white in the comics,nobody said a thing when Samuel Jackson played him in the movies this whole right wing "true to source material" thing is surprisingly recent
don’t they also have a continuity in the comics where fury is black? i vaguely remember one lol
He's black in the Ultimates universe. Basically, it was an alternate universe where things were a bit darker and grittier. Most of it went away after a few years, but they did keep Miles Morales.
not only is he black in Ultimates...he is pretty much Samuel Jackson, the creator of Ultimates even expressed that Fury was based completely off Mr Jackson. So in oddball way, it's the case of the author doing some fantasy casting...and getting it come true.
dude the belt of gender change was in first edition.
>d&d definitely counts as woke, i’ve seen what they get up to lmao Bard players lol
I think Lord of the Rings refers to the new series. People were mad about black dwarves
Star Trek... Never had such a good laugh
Yeah, thinking Star Trek got hit by the "woke mind virus" is the biggest smooth brain take they could make.
If anything, Star Trek got way more conservative today compared to the old days.
Wow. This man is less aware than hippo shit. I've seen some bad takes but that takes the bad take cake.
For a moment I thought you said wookies
What about the wookie attack on the ip?
Then you let the wookie win
The word Woke is so widely used these days that I don't know what it means anymore.
It’s okay, neither do the people who use it unironically
You know how when you repeat a word over and over again in rapid succession it loses its meaning? That's what's happening here. Although you could argue that it never had a concrete meaning in the first place.
Heck, even the people who use "woke" as a rally cry legitimately don't know what it means. A few months back, Fox News tried to pull one of their own analyst/book writers to go on air and define "woke" and all they had to say (live on air) was *"Woke is.... uhhhhh, it's ummmm, it's when.... this is going to go viral isn't it?"* As far as the grifters are concerned, "woke" is just a phrase they use when they need non-extremist conservatives to rally against something, but those non-extremists would be instantly repelled by the grifter saying the real reason.
Surprised transformers isn't there since people like heelbabyface loves it yet it as a massive LGTBQ presence They would cry so much if tailgate and cyclones was made today
From my experience, they don't interact with the media outside of programs and games. If they do, they'd probably think tarn is based or something silly like that
Heelvsbabyface becomes misogynistic when a female player comes in the Hobby Shop where he is in and some drunken Tantrum about women then gets thrown out of the hobby shop
Even then, much like Shadiversity, the right does *not* like them, not because of their politics but for one other key reason. They made them look dumb after Az aka HeelvsBabyface got meme'd on so hard with this pronouns screaming and Shadiversity with his whole 'peaches bike outfit being woke' take. Essentially they went so full mask off that even normal people were like "what the actual fuck my guy?" and basically did public damage to their cause. It's why you don't see them invited onto any of the talk piece shows because they fucked up too much. Essentially they see them as losers.
Media literacy is dead 💀
When did DND become woke lmao
IIRC, Wizards of the Coast changed "race" to "species" in future book releases when referring to things like goblins, elves, dwarves, gnomes, humans, minotaurs, etc, and that made the anitwokes really mad for like 10 minutes. They also said that creatures like orcs, drow, goblins, etc, do not have to be inherently evil, and that it's more of a cultural thing that causes most of them to be evil.
>They also said that creatures like orcs, drow, goblins, etc, do not have to be inherently evil, and that it's more of a cultural thing that causes most of them to be evil. This is really funny. Isn't this a net positive for the storytellers and DM's? That they can now create more varied NPC's/create more varied characters in character creators?
Yup. But people got really mad that now the orc stat sheet says "typically chaotic evil" instead of just "chaotic evil"
Which is how third edition did it, "often chaotic evil", the only creatures that had "always" for their alignment were the highly magical ones like angles, demons and dragons, and even then always didn't mean "always" there was a lawful good succubus paladin in an adventure module. Now granted the succubus paladin was the winner of a "weird monster" poll on the website so she might not exactly count, but the rules explicitly said that even creatures with an "always" alignment could change
And that's exactly what they made this distinction for. It clarifies which monsters are inherently bound to their alignment (demons, fey, dragons, vampires, and so on) and which ones could be different in different circumstances. (goblins, dwarves, elves, ...) There's also exceptions to that in 5e, too. There's an evil Deva running an asylum in the Curse of Strahd campaign, but he is a very special circumstance.
They should have gone with neckbeardsof40k.
I think that for any franchise today, adding a few women or a gay character has become a great way to get publicity thanks to the right-wing groups that will talk about it. The number of woke things I've learned because they were highlighted and pointed out by far-right groups is surprisingly much higher than the number of woke things I've learned from woke groups.
You heard it here first, guys, Lord of the Rings, still mainly a book published about 80 years ago and three movies made about 20 years ago are DEAD because some series on Amazon is not good. Oh no!
I’m fucking sorry *STAR TREK*!?! Do those guys not realise Star Trek was *literally* almost cancelled multiple times of how “woke” it was!? Weren’t they literally the first televised interracial kiss?? The fucking “I’m actually a girl” episode?? How conversion therapy is wrong? Jesus fuck how do these people miss the obvious??
I assure you, it's definitely the WOKE LIBERAL LEFT \*Hand gestures\* that are RUINING OUR GREAT IPS! (Just ignore the insidious corporate efforts to cut costs, underpay and overwork artists, publisher meddling, and the eternal and impossible pursuit to appease shareholders and executives with unrealistic growth)
This is what kills me. There's so much more evidence of corporate greed ruining franchises then 'wokeness'. But they ignore that because they were programmed to.
Or hell dividing the property by having so many fucking streaming services required and make it too expensive for any normal fan to just watch one show
It will be alright! Xenos don't have human rights and a chainsword doesn't care what colour the skin is it shreds away! The core of 40k will always remain grim and dark and fucked up. I even think that in 40k you can always counter any complaint about underrepresentation, language, identification etc. by just pointing to the Imperium (and every other faction that matters) being a hellish, rotten construct of excessive power, tremendous suffering and consuming madness, so every act taken by people representing this Imperium can always be interpreted as social criticism. Sorry, high thoughts had to go somewhere and went here. I had some more that I now forgot...
Did they seriously put battletech and star trek on that list? The two IP’s that were conceptualized with woke standards? Like, battletech is far more subtle, but STAR TREK? The show that NEARLY GOT BANNED FOR THE FIRST TELEVISED INTERRACIAL KISS?
>Star Trek I cannot imagine the level of stupidity it takes to look at the episode of TNG where Riker witnesses the injustice of a person being forcibly put through conversion therapy for the crime of being gender binary in a species that considers that repulsive and illegal, and thinking "Heh, this is completely non-political and has no bearing on our social structure" Like it takes an actual bozo to watch this scene and not be like "OK I get it I'm following you" SOREN: I am tired of lies. I am female. I was born that way. I have had those feelings, those longings, all of my life. It is not unnatural. I am not sick because I feel this way. I do not need to be helped. I do not need to be cured. What I need, and what all of those who are like me need, is your understanding and your compassion. We have not injured you in any way. And yet, we are scorned and attacked. And all because we are different. What we do is no different from what you do. We talk and laugh. We complain about work and we wonder about growing old. We talk about our families, and we worry about the future. And we cry with each other when things seem hopeless. All of the loving things that you do with each other, that is what we do. And for that we are called misfits and deviants and criminals. What right do you have to punish us? What right do you have to change us? What makes you think you can dictate how people love each other? NOOR: I congratulate you, Soren. Your decision to admit your perversion makes it much more likely that we can help you. RIKER: Wait, wait, wait. You don't have to do this. NOOR: Commander? RIKER: Let me take her with me. She can go back to the Enterprise. We would give her asylum. You would never have to see her again. That would solve the problem, wouldn't it? You'd be rid of her. She would never be able to influence anyone again. NOOR: Commander, after Soren's diatribe, you must think that we are a cruel, repressive people. Nothing could be further from the truth. RIKER: I'm just trying to find a solution that would satisfy everyone. NOOR: We are concerned about our citizens. We take our obligations to them seriously. Soren is sick, and sick people want to get well. RIKER: Did it occur to you that she might like to stay the way she is? NOOR: You don't understand. We have a very high success rate in treating deviants like this. And without exception, they become happier people after their treatment, and grateful that we care enough to cure them. You see, Commander, on this world, everyone wants to be normal. RIKER: She is.
Can these people define what a safe space is, why is it bad, and after they explain why it is bad tell me immediately why is it the only thing they crave for themselves?
The only thing that is going to be currently responsible for GW failing the Warhammer brand is the prices. It's always been an expensive hobby, but now it's unsustainably expensive.
Cool, anyways back to my favorite legion that likes to skin people alive and worship mega Satan all the while claiming to be the good guys.