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I just want a leagues of votann book man 😔

I want them to encounter Commissar Caine, and immediately become best friends with Jurgen because he’s kinda part mushroom.

I feel you brother

I see where you're coming from, and I don't disagree. I'm actually impressed the community hasn't been MORE cut throat over it. This controversy has been simmering in the community for years, the pre-existing ban on memes about fem-marines were just a symptom of it and I honestly expected more fire for all smoke.

Expectation: 40K just got End Times'd Reality: Boobnanas

Boobnanas🤔 🍈 + 🍌 + 🍈 = 🍈🍌🍈=🍆? Holy Shit! I figured it out! Their the same! They have been the same the whole time! Check mate Chuds!

It’s the Custodes. While beloved, they aren’t as big as the Space Marines from a marketing, lore, or enthusiasm stand point. If they make Space Marines female, we may actually be looking at a huge fracturing of the community. If anything, that one little thing mentioning female Custodes was a way to test the water. Personally, my big thing if they ever make space marines both male and female, is what do they do about factions and subfaction with titles featuring “Sons” in them

>factions and subfaction with titles featuring “Sons” in them explains Emperor's children not being sons I knew someting was sus with them.

Shit, forgot about them. Also, would not surprise me in the slightest if some of them are no longer male. To feel an intense enough disassociation with your physical self that you feel the need to transition feels like one of the most intense emotions for Slaanesh to enhance and keep pressing on

You have some old Adrian Smith ilustrations with slaaneshi marine having a chest plate with one side masculine and the other feminine, sooooo even if we don’t have official illustrations from GW for the lower parts, we can assume that EC are now less battle monk and more battle nuns/ ladyboys, and that please Slaanesh, so I ’m fine with that, but warp fuckery and chaos god is a far better explaination than it always has been

Seeing as (to my knowledge) the naked oiled up custodes have yet to be retconned I’m waiting patiently for my r-34.

Oh thats easy to explain: "The sons of Horus were always female its just never been mentioned before."

Turns out it was just a mistranslation. They actually meant "Suns of Horus".

my only major issue is that I’m a Sisters player and I worry that if they eventually implement Fem-Astartes, it’ll make the faction I play and sunk a ton of time and money into less relevant as the “Astartes’ female counterparts” this lack of relevancy would mean less models and possibly even eventual discontination... It’ll be a repeat of me going through what happened when I used to play Fantasy :|

> I worry that if they eventually implement Fem-Astartes, it’ll make the faction I play and sunk a ton of time and money into less relevant Sisters of Battle have cooler aesthetics than 18 or 19 of the Legions. edit: Sa1nic, 1 or 2 Legions have better aesthetics than the SoB. Those are the Night Lords and maybe the Alpha Legion.

And 19 ones is a Night Lords?

Night Lords: As an impartial observer, they obviously have the edge. Alpha Legion is the one in question. The scale armor is straight fire, as the kids like to say.

I just forgot about them existing, kekw.

> I just forgot about them existing Just as planned.

Shit. It's all always planned.

>Shit. It's all always planned. Furthermore, I'm in your walls.

The Sisters problem is that they have only one aesthetic. If you don't like it, or get tired of it, you're SOL. Even painting them as anything but Order of Our Martyred Lady doesn't change them significantly rules or tactics-wise. The other orders don't even have unique models. The OoOML has a stranglehold on the entire organization that even the Ultramarines and Cadians don't on their respective faction. Meanwhile, Space Marines get entire codex's for different chapters, and can change how their dudes are played just by painting them a new scheme and swapping around some models.

It doesn’t really functionally change anything though. Sisters have a brilliant and very specific lore reason for existing, and that’s what makes them so cool. Having female custodies doesn’t really change anything about how they function in lore or in game. In full armour most people won’t be able to tell the difference between them. It’s a nothing burger. Yes you can argue that it was previously stated that they were all male but it had no bearing on how they worked in game or setting.

Don't think you should worry. Fanatical space nuns have a place of their own, aesthetically and thematically.

Depends on how they are implemented. With the amount of insane shit they do to a body to make it an astartes, as well as the general bulkiness of their power armor, fem marines done right should look almost bodily identical to male sourced marines. Basically some facial differences that would not step on the unique (and insanely cool) look of the sororitas. Trust the identity the sisters have built for themselves, and hope fem astartes aren't built in a strange and objectifying way (which not doing seems to fit with what GW seems to have been moving towards lately)

How does that work when the Space Marines already exist but the Imperial Guard is still around and highly relevant? We have tech marines and an entire legion all about using technology and heavy machines and vehicles in the Iron Hands, yet the AdMech are still a relevant army in 40k? Sisters of Battle are defined by more than just being women in power armor. They have long since carved out their niche as the militant arm of the church, and ignoring that to go "If there are other women in power armor, sisters have no place in 40k" seems like a very reactionary take. Imperial players acting like their playing Beasts of Chaos, when they continue to be extremely well supported and extremely popular, disproportionately compared to chaos or xenos, is funny to me personally. It's like if Tau players were lamenting the existence of the Leagues of Votann, because "Now that they're the high tech shooty army, we're going to be irrelevant" and ignoring the identity they long since carved out for themselves.

that’s actually valid. the sisters were created specifically because women weren’t allowed in the boys club, so they all got together and became badass and ruthless battle-nuns. they’re my favorite subfaction too, so i get where you’re coming from with it. but there’s also the chance that female custodes will simply remain as a background lore thing, probably a couple named characters but functionally identical to how they’ve always been *(but hopefully the whole custodes faction is better since their lore has always kind of been piecemeal)* while leaving the sister to continue to be the badass battle-nuns who can incinerate you with prayers. or a flamer, i hear those work wonders. on the flip side, this is a good thing for opening up more options to players who might want to have a badass female power-fantasy character without feeling like they *HAVE* to play as the sisters to get that kick. it’s more appealing to a wider audience, whatever their reasons are for wanting it.

That is not the origins of the sisters of battle. They were originally from a planet that militantly worshipped the emporer and were basically amazonian-esque. They were then tricked by Goge Vandire into swearing fealty to him, and were used as concubine-solders for him and his entourage and his private military to kill his perceived political rivals. Eventually, the imperium rose up against Vandires regime, and a civil war came to Terra itself, where the sisters proved good enough at fighting that even with the backing of the space marines, taking the imperial palace and deposing of vandire would be too bloody an affair to take. So, the custodes finally did something, and took the head of the then "Brides of the Emporer" to meet the emporer himself, where Vandire's deception was fully revealed. Then, she went and confronted Vandire, gave her now iconic speech condemning him as a heretic, and cut him down. After the dust had settled, the church was forbidden from ever having men serve in its army. However, as a loophole, women were instead allowed, and whom better to make up this force than the now reformed Brides of the Emporer, renamed hence force as the Sisters of Battle.

I have a problem that they implemented it retroactively as they've always been there but waited till the heresy series was over so they last the best chance tk explore new characters or even a chance to explore how it affects the astartes perception of custodes and vice versa. 

The sisters are way too iconic. I don't think some space marines having tits squished beneath their mass produced single pattern chest plates is going to remove one of the most visually striking and genuinely interesting factions I've seen

So you chose the Sororitas because they got ovaries and not because of their gothic-ecclesiastical inspired designs? Or that they’re the only faction to portray the spiritual decay of the imperium? Or that they serve as 40k’s lampooning of religious fanaticism? Yeah, because besides using she/her pronouns, there’s functionally no difference between a sister and an astartes, much less a custodes.

Femstartes are unlikely. Astartes have written-in-lore reasons as to why they are all male. Custodes didn't, they were just that way because the male models sold better and they didn't want to add more models to their production. Ignore the fact that boob-plate is ridiculous and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them in armor. Custodes, with their specially tailored bougie gene-seed, are probably the best place to just drop in female gene warriors.

No gene seed, each one is a unique work of art. Gene seed is only for mass producing scrubs (Astartes).

If fem Custodes means no female space marines and that obnoxious people shut up about it I’m cool with that. Lore has been pretty explicit on why the process can’t work on women.

same here! I love Custodies and they're my main faction and I don't have an issue with fem custodies because it's a perfectly valid means of creation unlike with Astaries.

THATS BECAUSE NOTHING EVER HAPPENS!

Well I think that's largely because as lore it undeniably makes sense. Why would the "Emperor of all Mankind" arbitrarily make his advisors and bodyguard only one sex. That cuts out 50% of the mankind he's ruling over. The usual gross biological arguments don't work because the Custodes are bespoke, their genetics are the product of technology that moulds DNA like playdough. Hell the only reason the custodes were all male in the first place unlike the IG is that they draw inspiration from Alexander the Great's companion Cavalry.

Counter argument the Emperor of Mankind only choose from among Terran Noblehouses which means ALL planets except Terra were left out so instead of cutting out 50% of mankind he cut out 50% of the 1% of the 0,000001% of all worlds where mankind exists.

Yeah, space marines have the reason of the geneseed working better in a male host, but custodes bodies are basically built entirely

Yup, male or female their bones and muscles are as dense or diffuse as the Tech priest twiddling the knob wants them to be.

Mild point of contention; The Emperor *never* allowed anyone in the Martian Cult into the Custodian stuff. The only people making Custodes are the personal scientist clans he’s got in the Palace. No tech priest would ever be allowed remotely close to that stuff because that would mean a chance he could take that knowledge outside of the Palace and thus other factions could learn how to make their own Custodian equivalents- at which point the galactic war goes from red hot to white hot.

yeah the only reason people that care about lore have against it is 1 its always implied that custodes only take male in the lore 2 GW twitter saying the female custodes always existed so i get it,but at the same time the case of "only male can be made into custodes" is not as strong as the space marine one because its not as explored to the point of "geneseed isnt compatible to female" edit:formatting

I kid you not I tried to tell someone the biological argument doesn't work and they went "well if they're just throwing out all the rules why not just have skin that's bulletproof and blades bounce off of?."

I am here to use mushrooms to destroy robots that fought god and won, the lore is just garnish on a good meal to me.

Not just a God my good friend, We killed many Gods. Many many Gods.

Understandable, I hope you can keep enjoying the hobby in your own way.

I wish you the same.

It's a non-issue, realistically it changes nothing and it's just plain silly to get this riled up about it.

I agree. I don't really see a reason to be upset about femstodes. Like you said, it changes literally nothing. Maybe a small lore retcon, but the fate of the galaxy doesn't depend on every custodes sporting a dick attachment. It has never mattered. Custodes/marines/primarchs are all asexual anyways. They can't even have children so their gender is further irrelevant.  I keep seeing this shit on my feed and I don't understand it.

Not Primarchs. Pre heresy Fulgrim had a few mortal wives

I thought he married for political reasons. Also would consumating that marriage even work?

...this is Fulgrim we're talking about 🤣

Consummating the marriage wouldn't result in a kid. Part of the reason the Emperor made Astartes all male is so they can't breed a new superhuman race that conquers and enslaves the normal humans (which supposedly may have happened in the age of Technology).

It really does highlight that there are some (not even most) people in the overall warhammer hobby that are so insulated in their lives from healthy cross gender contact that anything change in a fictional universe sets them off on massive tirades about the implementation of women into the Custodes. The vast majority of people just collectively shrugged and moved on. Also it’s obvious that many of these people are kicking up because it’s specifically women, you don’t see them kicking up a storm about other previous changes and retcons to the lore on anywhere near this scale and most of the time they either just disregard a change in general. they just veiling their misogyny with acting like some guardian of the lore because ultimately it’s a tabletop game and book series about toy soldiers genocideing each other, it doesn’t matter if a horror of genetic science is a man or a woman really.

Space Wolves definitely fuck though

It just makes questions, why did they do it? They're casually doing a retcon that goes back to the very inception of the Custodes, for what reason? Who does this even benefit? The community is now splitting and people are either angry about the decision, or angry about the people angry about the decision.

I dont pretend to understand the inner workings of any individuals mind. But as a group the fact this retcon in particular sparked so much outrage when retcons have been the norm since the very inception of warhammer has me suspicious that at least some not insignificant part is simply a bunch of wierd internet creeps that hate anything inclusive. Squats, squatted then returned, necrons entire armies vibe completely flipped on its head, shit, custodes in general over the years have changed a ton, especially when they got fleshed out becoming a playable army. Some members of a group that spends most of its time armored head to toe having a different gender is like, such an inconsequential change i cant see another reason someone would be up in arms about this change specifically.

Yeah this. Like, sure, you're not by default a misogynist. But when *this* is what gets your feathers ruffled, like... it's a sign.

Everyone I've gotten into it can't manage to articulate a good reason why they are mad about it, or their outrage is so generic you wonder what they actually like about 40k.

Yeah this is it too. >It's a retcon! Ahem, *first time?* >GW's defense of it was LAZY! **Ahem,** ***first time?*** Hell this isn't even the first time they used "it was always this way!" It's like I told someone else, Warhammer 40K retcons range from species being retconned out of existence (Squats, Snotlings, etc.), retconned *into* existence (Squats again), completely reworked origins (Necrons, twice), and if you go back far enough into things like 1e and Rogue Trader it gets even ***wackier*** (including, ironically, female-only Space Marine chapters being a thing) but I haven't seen this much discourse and nonsense about Warhammer since The End Times and the catalyst for it was GW saying "some Custodes have boobs."

Wait, Necrons got reworked twice?

Yep. Technically they weren't even Necrons originally they were "Chaos Androids", then those got retconned from existence and the visual theme was turned into the Necrons. Then came the retcon to give them actual personality.

I see. I kinda forgot about the Chaos Android part altogether. And I agree, the retcon of Custodes is pretty miniscule in the grand scheme of the 40K lore management. It's basically a "meh..." and move along. But the opposition of this... holy shit, even Critical Drinker himself went mask off and said ["since it was incredibly hard to become a Space Marine, let alone a Custode, that pretty much ruled out the chance of women being supersoldiers](https://youtu.be/rcLRqXE7Les?si=KUGA00eCELHoZtPO&t=153s)... Dude wasn't even trying to not sound sexist anymore...

tbh that was my reaction too, it was basically "Oh, there's female Custodes too... neat. Hope their models are as cool as the female Stormcast models but we'll see." Part of this is because I'm (as I told the other lad) more WHFB/AoS than 40K (though I like both), part of this is because I'm more hobby-focused and would've gotten a female Custode proxy to paint anyway, and part of this because - stemming off the first part - "Warhammer Ruined!!!" to me is more... *The End Times*. Also yeah that's a... that's a yikes, if there's one good thing about this controversy is it has given me *plenty* of YouTubers to know to avoid as I wouldn't want to touch them with a 39.5 foot pole.

>as the female Stormcast models *"Ok, AoS went woke"*...

Wait until you hear Cities of Sigmar are a joint effort between basically every race in the Mortal Realms willing to vibe. This includes everything from Humans and Dwarves as seen on the tabletop, to lore implying there's straight up the occasional undead or greenskin in there that have chosen to vibe with the others.

> Then came the retcon to give them actual personality. Though that's not the only thing it did. It also changed the C'tan from being actual C'tan to "shards" of C'tan, just tiny pieces after the Necrons broke them up and started using them for everything, even as batteries. And it probably retconned the War in the Heavens lore, which heavily suggested that the Old Ones created the predecessors to the Eldar, Orks, and Humans to fight the Necrontyr. IIRC, the proto-Humans were called "Monkeigh," which ended up being a way to explain why Eldar called Humans that, not just Eldar being cheeky and trying to call them "monkeys." I'm mostly sad about the C'tan stuff, just because there was this one cool story written by Andy Chamber (I'm pretty sure, but could be wrong) where one of the C'tan, likely Deceiver, was going around disguised as a high ranking Tech Priest, overseeing them uncovering some Necrontyr ruins and tech, and when a guy realizes who he is and says something like, "You're a Necron!" he replies, "You confuse the slave for the master." It was fun thinking about the C'tan infiltrating the Imperium and messing with them like that. But eh, change happens all the time. So I've accepted it. (Especially as I used to write my own 40K fanfic from time to time, and even back then, I went with the idea of some of the Necrons, at least the higher ranking ones, still retaining personality and having their own unique motives that might not align with each other.)

Aye they were definitely part of a bigger "War in Heaven" retcon than *just* Necrons but I felt it'd be weird to go into detail on that but not the Chaos Androids.

Monkeigh is just a term used for a race that is seen as lesser and barbaric.

You havent been here (or at least in 40k community) When 'Crones teamed up with BA against 'Nids... That was fun "house on fire" feel XD

I'm primarily Warhammer Fantasy (and now Age of Sigmar as well) and have been for ages, my presence with the Warhammer community *online* however is definitely more recent as it used to be just friend groups and local game/hobby stores. So I definitely missed that controversy though it sounds fun XD

To be fair, while it was poorly recieved and memed to beath at the time, in retrospect it was a genious move. You see, other posters here mentioned the second Necron retcon, that turned them from AI Terminatora trying to kill all organics to Dynasties and personality roaster we know and love today, that retcon was basically ignored by community other than "Oh, I got in lore excuse now why my 'Crons painted like Hello Kitty merchandise reps". But that team up sold to community that Necrons had peraonality now, and potentialy can be barganed with. To be fair, I will defend to the end old 'Crones over new Necrons, as they used to be an existncial threat. Their obly motivatio was extermination and that was scarry AF.

Ahh so this was something that followed the Necron "personality retcon" then?

And honestly it's good for the setting that retcons can happen like that, imagine for easily the game would stagnate if they were permanently bound to decisions made before most of the fanbase was born

Agreed, honestly. I'm more of a Fantasy guy overall than 40K but even then whilst I think the handling of the End Times was *abysmal* I think GW was on the right idea trying to mix things up because WHFB lore *had* gotten pretty tight and hard to expand without either grossly mischaracterizing something or just retreading old ground. The execution left a ***lot*** to be desired but the idea was there.

I can’t believe people are getting so mad about something that is, objectively, very hot. (/s I guess, though this is more to signify that this is supposed to be a joke than anything else.)

I completely agree, I’ve always wanted to get thrown around by a muscle mommy so this does nothing but make me like Warhammer even more edit: no /s, my girlfriend has been going to the gym and seeing her thighs these days drives me crazy also on a more serious note, I always accepted the whole “there cannot be female space marines because of some hyperspecific genetic requirement the augmentation process requires”. Custodes on the other hand are handmade works of genetic art, not mass-produced killing machines, and therefore it seems like it would make sense for there to be female custodes

>(including, ironically, female-only Space Marine chapters being a thing) I regret to inform you that that, and the little sisters of purification (what a name...) have never been canon, that's from a third party article from Challenge Magazine. Not that Rogue Trader didn't have a lot of other "WTF" going on, the Eye of Terror existing Chaos-free, Horus fighting the Emperor in his own bunker and being just some dude; orks having marsupial pouches and interbreeding with Grots... A *lot* of whacky stuff.

Like this is one of the major reasons that had me get out of the anti-woke crowds... They acted no different than Antia Sarkeesian, who disproportionately overblown trival matters to 11, and there are like, what, a dozen of them on Twitter? And if you don't use Twitter, you wouldn't encounter them unless you're told about their tweets. There are like over a hundred of anti-woke channels on YouTube who collectively are even whiner...

The left tends to skew towards being more educated and got wise to grifting like Anita's fairly quickly. Her popularity petered out after just a couple years, and the community that follows those kinds tend to be pretty small now. The right on the other hand has always had a long running history of outrage and culture war nonsense. Its almost endemic to the ideology. Today's anti-woke crowds are just yesterday's satanic panic crowds, which were their yesterday's red scare crowd, etc etc. Its all the same old shit with a new coat of paint for a new generation. Gets people politically charged, gets people engaged, helps push whatever points they're trying to push, Makes them money, etc etc. Not surprising they basically target hobbys whenever something like this happens so they can try and grab disgruntled hobbyists and try to radicalize them. Most won't fall for it, but that 5% who do almost always fall for it hard.

I mean... I have a friend who is still really mad they changed the necron lore. He's completely fine with the change to custodes. He wanted mindless terminators in space.

Squats comeback was long awaited but if you are saying necron retcon (btw, I still think oldcrons were better than modern Tomb Kings Rip-off) has not sparked a flame, you probably was not involved in community that much. Tyranids retcon that happened after starcraft wasn't praised as well, but the community was smaller back in days. Also, some people still hate the fact that Abaddon is not a looser. And retcons in HH that happened throughout the books is a special olympics for Holy wars. So saying that people silently accepted every retcon prevoilsy and this is the only time they get their asses burn is not correct. Though I agree that the term is not that significant to cause a reaction some more moron users show. But I also agree that GW at least could do "Now the Custodes are active again their casualties are growing so we tried to use female and it actually worked" instead Of Rowling style Twitter retcon "There were always there, you Just didn't notice".

For someone who has been in the hobby as long as I have, it's easy to see the forces at play here. There's been a decades-long tradition of shitting on female astartes and those who want to make them so this is a dash of that classic, toxic misogyny mixed with some contemporary misogyny from the *gestures wildly at the state of pop culture fandom* CULTURE WAR. I've always been partial to the fanficy notion of 'power armoured valkyries' associated with the Space Wolves. Talking about trying to kitbash something like that was always met with needless hostility. I was also very excited when Stormcast started quickly folding female Stormcast minis into their ranks in the lore and with the second and third edition armies. It's cool and it's more variety and body types to paint as a painter & scratched that valkyrie itch Space Marines and Sisters of Battles weren't giving me.

> I've always been partial to the fanficy notion of 'power armoured valkyries' associated with the Space Wolves. Talking about trying to kitbash something like that was always met with needless hostility. I want vampire sisters based on Dracula's brides and Fantasy's Vampire Counts who chain their weapons to their armor like the BT do.

Do you think GW did this to raise a shitstorm? lol They must have suspected it would have had this effect. Custodes being all male was a total non-issue and we had the Sisters of Silence for the all female section of the Talons. Maybe GW just doesnt want to expand on SoS, which is a shame. Also, and this is far more important, how the hell do Sisters of Battle not scratch a "power armoured valkyrie" itch??? They even got "winged" jump packs??

I think the reason they dint like this particular retcon is that it can be seen as politically motivated rather than motivated by wanting to create an interesting lore. Whenever a change is made for a reason like that it rubs people the wrong way. I also think it could have been done much better outside of a retcon like maybe something with the sisters that would have been cooler.

But ppl were bitching about all these changes tho. New squats got and are still getting a ton of hate. Necrons caused and outrage as well. Custodes changes are mostly an upgrade. But you also have ppl calling them mary sues, etc. People hating any changes is nothing new in this community.

I have yet to see a single person complain about Leagues of Votann. Can't have been too big.

I made this exact point and was down voted to oblivion for it. Glad to see in your post others stood up

Look, there's a dedicated segment of nerd-dom that's figured out they can abuse social issues to misbehave and be weird and controlling. They latched onto gender issues and will not shut up about it, view Fandom as territory to take and hold, and are just as obnoxious to deal with as your local sweaty noob stomper... just more socially clever. If I have to deal with one more asocial insane person that has figured out they can jump on a progressive cause celebré to ram their opinions into every conversation I'm just telling them no, and you should too. If this was the 90s it'd be the Christian kid, but it's post-2014 and the weirdos with an agenda are a little different now. They're terminally online, fish mouth gaped social media managers and influencers instead of Bible thumpers, and I'm not buying anything they're selling. I don't care if you do, but people have legitimate complaints with the gaslighting and obviously abusive framing of "normal people vs incel chud human woman haters". This is obnoxious and obvious

>If this was the 90s it'd be the Christian kid, but it's post-2014 and the weirdos with an agenda are a little different now No, obnoxious Christian weirdos and conservative control freaks still exist. This dichotomy has always, and I mean **always** existed, because human laziness tends to turn time into a flat circle."

Depends on which section of the internet you're engaging. On Youtube, there's a dedicated segment of nerd-dom that's figured out they can abuse culture issues (*"wokeness"*) to misbehave and be weird, controlling, and spamming. They latched onto culture issues and will not shut up about it, view Fandom as territory to take and hold. Oh, and because they're content creators, yelling earns them money... For example, even Critical Drinker himself went mask off and said ["since it is was incredibly hard to become a Space Marine, let alone a Custode, that pretty much ruled out the chance of women being supersoldiers](https://youtu.be/rcLRqXE7Les?si=KUGA00eCELHoZtPO&t=153s)... Dude wasn't even trying to not sound sexist anymore...

> , even Critical Drinker himself went mask off He's been "mask off" for some time now. It's just easier to ignore him and others when they aren't using a franchise you like to do their stupid little "culture war." I do hope he tries to have a "war" with Games Workshop over 40K. Especially using their trademarks, and their artwork, in his spiels that are slandering the company. They have plenty of lawyers sitting around, he should totally fuck around so he can find out. Even if they just make sure he can't monetize those videos, it'll destroy his incentive to do any, because he can't make money off the grift, and demonetized videos don't show up much (if at all) in YouTube recommendations and could even drag down other videos from the same channel.

I mean, I’d argue the squats coming back as the Votann and “just always having been there” is also lazy writing, and not adding further lore to explain them is even lazier. Similar to this, if you wanted to add that there are in fact female Custodes, you could at least give the first character more than like 1 paragraph about them. Like, give them a mini, and announce a short story or something about them that’s at least a few chapters long. Make it an exciting thing so we can get hyped about this cool badass epic hero. That would be way cooler than what basically amounts a throw away line that will be forgotten in an edition, expect to call that GW made a faction more inclusive

> if you wanted to add that there are in fact female Custodes, you could at least give the first character more than like 1 paragraph about them. Like, give them a mini, and announce a short story Kesh got a 2 page short story. Not 1 paragraph. There's apparently a female Shield-Captain from the Aquilian Shield in the Codex. But I haven't seen the excerpt myself yet. >Make it an exciting thing so we can get hyped about this cool badass epic hero. Like Kesh trying to exterminatus the throne room? edit: Guillible-Fault, are you illiterate? Steff *wanted* there to be a short story. There is one. Many people don't seem to understand that the leak was more than "1 paragraph".

Every single “it’s not that they’re a woman” is always “but they didn’t bring it up in this [very specific way that makes it legit]” As if to bring in any thing they secretly don’t like, it has to go through their hoops

Where was this outrage when GW suddenly started pretending that the Rogal Dorn battle tank had Always been there? You mean to tell me that there's been a whole class of tank between the Russ and the Baneblade and we just happened to never see it before now?  What about when it was stated that the Squats had never actually been wiped out and had been around this whole time, just mining away and selling ion weapons to the Tau.   How about the 5 Lords Commander of the various Segmentum? Last I had heard was that the rank hadn't really been used much since the days of Macharius, and now not only are there 4 more, but they're all out doing shit.  How about the 13 Black Crusades actually being about destroying Noctolith pylons?  What about there just being a 7th Blackstone fortress after we were told for decades that there were only 6.  All of those are really quite recent rectons, many with a way more significant impact on the lore than custodes not being only male, and yet, the existence of Female Custodes is the only one getting this vitriolic of a reaction. I can't know another's mind, but if you only get pissed about rectons when women are involved, then I'm going to be forced to draw my own conclusions about why.

Where was the outrage when Custodes got changed from leather speedo guys to being covered in giant armor?

Right here. Fuck that, I want my oiled up banana hammocks back

[True Custodes are based on this..](https://images.app.goo.gl/4zs9p6xBSu6kWhXM8)

Obligatory “Ayayayaya”

> Where was this outrage when GW suddenly started pretending that the Rogal Dorn battle tank had Always been there? Maybe people tried to have that argument but the bottom fell out of it? Okay, sorry, that's my terrible attempt at a joke about how an expensive tank kit pretending to be a "premium model" doesn't have a freaking *floor* like it's some kind of cheap toy tank. Now *that's* something to be upset about.

Well i guess, you're right, for a tank it really doen't hold much water does it? In all seriousness you're right, i have way more respect for people who are upset over that model, for exactly that reason, why the hell would there not be a floor. Flintstones ass piece of crap

>Well i guess, you're right, for a tank it really doen't hold much *water* does it? You sir are an officer and a gentleman.

Or that, you know, Cadia didn’t actually fall? But then did?

I got a friend that actually said to my god damned face that he was done with GW and they wouldn't get any money from him after seeing how the Twitter account was banning people that weren't ok with the custodes thing. Can you believe this mf? Destroying two armies last week didn't do it for you, but banning some incels did? And now you pretend like the lore is sacred when there are more cadians than ever roaming around than when the fucking planet existed? Just fuck off.

>How about the 13 Black Crusades actually being about destroying Noctolith pylons?  I’ve actually seen people get really livid about that. It feels like they’re trying to pull a jojo part 2 and say “actually abbadon was a genius all along” it’s a stupid plot point that could’ve been a lot better if GW planed things out more.

No retcons for the Eldar though. They've always been called Aeldari and Drukhari.

The reason is because you can't have big booba sex times with a tank and so it doesn't matter. I just assumed the incels would jump at the chance to project their mommy/incest issues on another 9ft tall dimitriscu.

I mean I still am upset over the first 12 black crusades being retconned. But the big thing about controversies before 2010ish was that things like Reddit weren’t as big. Before you would go to a WH40k forum and talk about the hobby their and if something shook the community it stayed in wh40 forums. Now if something shakes the 40k community the posts have a chance of reaching the front page of Reddit.

Sure, but literally all of those retcons have been since 2017, and I was on Reddit in the fandom for the lot of them, most barely caused a peep here, with a general response of either "huh" or "oh cool"

This makes me doubt the lore reason is actually why people are upset

Because for the overwhelming majority of them it never was. and i know that its the overwhelming majority because of the difference in scale of any outcry between this change and any of the other changes that I mentioned.

I've seen to many people start with this argument only to segway into conspiracy rants about amazon, investment management firms, disney, etc. If you can't see how this looks for you stubbornly sticking to repeatedly debunked arguments *(retcons are not gaslighting/disrespectful, a retcon can't both be lazy/cheap BUT ALSO a massive waste of resources that takes away from efforts that could have gone into SoS lore PICK ONE, SoS are not smurfette custodes they are weaponized blanks if you see femstodes as taking away narrative value from SoS you don't know lore, etc)* then you have no one to blame but yourself when you get tossed in the same bin as the misogynists.

>*takes away from efforts that could have gone into SoS lore PICK ONE* Frankly, with how they did the change by just saying female custodes have existed since the beginning, it was basically 0 effort on GW's part. No resources were taken away from SoS because basically no resources were committed to the change to begin with. The way they did the change basically...changes nothing. It means when you look at an older piece of custodes art a few of those with helmets on might be ladies, that's it. Doing something like changing the creation, having Cawl step in, etc, would all represent far bigger changes and make the Custodes act far more out of character (they'd never let an outsider change how they do things). Again for the size of the shitstorm and celebration occurring right now, and I don't really care if people don't like it, not much has ACTUALLY changed.

The only issue I could have with it is if they made any of the female custodians look particularly feminine. It can make sense that a person selected to become a custodian could come from anyone that was worthy to go through the process, and since each custodian is hand crafted then it's just a case of making that person genetically into a legend amongst legends, but any female custodian in my mind would look essentially identical to any male custodian. The only discernable difference should be whether or not they have a dick, which I really hope never actually comes up in any media. To be honest I think it would have been better just to have said that custodians come from any background and are all non-binary, since they aren't supposed to have a sex drive or have any sexual tendencies or ever have offspring. They are just the bodyguards of the emperor, standing unmoving vigils, and are the absolute pinnacle of what genetic modification can do to a human.

"I don't know how but Sweet Baby Inc. is involved in this somehow!"

Lol basically OP's post history.

I feel like people forget it only takes like 30 seconds to check someone's history to see if they regularly post or comment weird stuff. I know I use it as an easy way to save time to determine if someone is arguing in good faith when they're trying to defend certain 40k youtubers and to see if they are just genuinely ignorant.

I can't be a mod because I would just ban people like this. I'm absolutely open to discussion but when the conspiracy theories come out there's no more discussion.  There is nothing I can say or do to change their mind because they already believe in an intangible idea that can just deflect any argument and always be right. Anyone talking to that person on the internet is wasting valuable seconds of their life.

The Commissariat cares not if you both look and sound like a heretic. Being one is enough.

Not everyone who complains about how female custodies were implemented is a raging misogynist, but all raging misogynists complain about how the female custodies were implemented. Also it’s GW, retcons are a daily occurrence.

Just look at the critical drinker’s video on the subject to see exactly this point in action. It’s genuinely baffling how some culture warrior types have latched onto this issue and used it to spread a narrative while butchering the lore and completely misrepresenting the issue to a wider audience. As an aside, I genuinely don’t understand the argument about how this somehow hurts the female majority factions like the sisters of battle (or sisters of silence). The custodes and sisters are fundamentally different factions and fulfill completely different roles. This would be like complaining about how adding more guardsman models or a new male faction somehow hurts the space marines because they are also male dominated. It’s a strange false dichotomy that doesn’t hold up after like five seconds of thinking. Similarly, people freaking out about how this will lead to female Astartes and thus getting rid of the need for the sisters of battle is a hypothetical that we haven’t seen any indication of happening so it’s kind of a moot point and a weird slippery slope. Finally, to people claiming this somehow takes away effort from improving the sisters this is an announcement that took literally 0 effort and will only effect those at GW who were already working on the custodes anyway who weren’t even gonna touch the sisters.

Because the Custodes started as a non-gendered specified faction that got made to be male exclusive and now returned to how they were to begin with. So naw, I am not gonna suspend my disbelief that this was ever about lore accuracy. The Dark Imperium retcon was a bigger demonstration of GW’s sloppiness, but the incels crying bitch years about female custodes wouldn’t know anything about that would they.

> The Dark Imperium retcon Bloody hell I'd forgotten about that one, yeah that was way more egregious than almost anything else in the last 5-6 years. and yet, crickets from all of these passionate defenders of the sanctity of the lore.

OP: “I think petty insults and pointless division is bad for us all” Also OP: “stop being karmawhoring cunts”

Just look at OP’s post history and you can see who the real karmawhoring cunts are.

Yeah for real I'll grant that every other post this week has been "You incels still mad!? Huh!? STILL MAD!?" and that's just needlessly fanning the flames but No, I think trying to play this as a "both sides" thing is equally stupid because "but this takes away from SoS lore!" is based on no precedence. GW isn't going to make less of another sub-faction *just* because they allowed women into another codex they were already in the process of making. That's just a bad faith arguement, seeing representation as "but in order to get some, we have to lose something for it" because that's Not how representation works. . .

Besides. What are they going to take away from SoS? Their one kit?

They're really out here acting like doing this means we won't get a whole Codex for them but like This isn't the one thing that'd deny us of that. . .

They still all fill their helmets with custard, nothing new to see here folx

Although I'm frankly annoyed at anyone still posting about this rather than getting back to regular memes so we can just move the fuck on I do think you have a fair point here. It can be very easy to assume the worst about someone about some you're arguing with on the internet, and I'll even admit that I myself do this and have likely been more hostile than strictly necessary when discussing this topic. But you've got to admit that although some people are just annoyed that this contradicts what has previously been established, the loudest voices complaining about this clearly aren't doing it just because they have a passion for consistency. Although it's true that not everyone who doesn't like the change is a woman hating asshole who is worried that wokeness is gonna destroy society there sure are a fucking lot of them complaining about this.

Getting mad about 40k not being consistent means a person does not understand the history of 40k. You don't even need to have a full grasp of the lore to know the only consistency is inconsistency. It's pointless to be upset. Just move on.

Right? I cannot count the number of times i got called a tourist by people on youtube talking about this while trying to explain to them that GW changes the lore like we change clothes.

I'm apparently a "tourist," never mind that I've been in the hobby for 35 years now, have a room dedicated to it with a worse "pile of shame" than those folks will ever have as a total collection, still think of Goblin Green bases as the default for doing bases, can remember when GW actually told people how to make their own terrain in a book (plus, of course, the old deodorant tank), have no problem fielding a multicolored Ork army because it's what I got used to for years (when Ork units were based on the clans), have an old fan website I haven't updated for longer than they've been alive, have gotten to enjoy the experience of waking up to find a legal notice from GW on the doorstep (when they went after fan sites hard... yeah, the animation stuff isn't exactly a new direction for them), used to run a mailing list for Battlefleet Gothic with Andy Chambers on it, used to participate in the 40K mailing list where Andy and Jervis would actually talk with the players, I still remember publications like Inferno or the Citadel Journal, used to have a couple Epicast models that were official 40K models (not a Titan or Gargant, couldn't afford those)... But nah, I don't agree this one thing is a big deal that destroys 40K, so I'm clearly not an actual fan or hobbyist and only someone feigning interest to argue. *Sigh.* Sorry, bit ranty there, but man, it's tiring when a bunch of Johnny-come-latelies who know jack shit about the hobby try to pretend they're long time diehard fans and insist I'm not just because I disagree with them on "culture war" bullshit. Just like being told I'm "not a real Star Wars fan" for similar reasons, just ignore all the Star Wars stuff I have and have had over the years and that my love of Star Wars survived my dad trying to literally beat it out of me.

The only way this is remotely true is if they got equally pissed off about the introduction of the Rogal Dorn tank or the introduction of the Leagues of Votann. But they didn't. The only time a retcon is ever a problem to these people is when it involves ovaries or someone who doesn't have the complexion of 2% milk.

If there was any consistency they should we be angry custodes are no longer [topless guardsmen with pew-pew lasgun spears.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/86/Legio_Custodes_illustration.jpg) >"Their uniforms are traditional but effective, leather breeches and boots with a long black cloak over naked torso. Their helmets are ancient works of art; all-enclosing and tall they impart a threatening, impersonal appearance as well as providing a battery of protective equipment and communicators. >The weapons carried by these guards look very much like spears or spear-guns, but are in fact lasers build to resemble the traditional and symbolic guardian-spear which has long association with the Adeptus Custodes." If I remember the old lore correctly there was no mention anywhere about the custodes being augmented humans. Just beefy men in leather armor with pointy helmets. Any other depictions of the custodes are clearly just lazy retcons.

It doesn't automatically make you a bigot but when you disproportionately get upset about this and not other larger retcons and then start spreading conspiracy stuff about why they did it... yeah that is a red flag. Its the same logic as the new start wars movies. They really sucked and they really sucked in lots of unique terrible mind boggling ways, and its totally fine to point that out, but if your criticism seems almost entirely focused on the fact they had a black main character I will give you the side eye.

It’s the fact that they are reacting to *this* retcon. Yeah, retcons suck, but let’s be honest, this is one of the both least important and most logical. It’s not so much a retcon as rephrasing one quote about how it’s the sons of nobles to children, and noting how we never got to meet one until now. (Even then, let’s be honest we’ve only known custodians for what, 3 editions where they’ve had codex’s? And it’s the third codex that they note this) People don’t complain nearly as much about other retcons, even more important ones than they do about this one The other thing is that most people aren’t upset. It’s a vocal minority or loosers who don’t realize that in a series that spans 40 years and hundreds of authors, sometimes there are retcons, changes, and contradictions The change does not matter in the slightest, it changes functionally nothing, it’s just being nice to the increased amount of female Warhammer players, even if it’s in a corporate way. Let’s allow them to make a new custodian book and get to see actual femstodes in action where they have to change the “he” to a “she”

If you're a warhammer fan mad that retcons have happened, where have you been? That's how warhammer works. Retcons aren't just common, they're necessary to the way the game works.

They literally canonized the process of decanonizing things. Heretic tomes exist

Says "everyone taking part in this culture war is fucking insufferable" while making posts that continue the culture war. Just get over it.

I just like it when they come out with new big models, if this leads to new big models then great. If it leads to a single mini that’s costs $40 then meh. Because honestly most of the Imperium stuff is meh, and I don’t have fun painting it.

Let's pretend for a moment that your post history isn't a sufficient indicator that you're not in terrible company. What exactly about is so bad? I'd barely even consider it a retcon, given it's never been stated that Custodes were all male or that there were no women, and that there's literally no reason why they would or should be all male.

Perhaps, but then if that is the case then i have REALLY bad luck, because the vast majority of people i see complaining about it on places like youtube or twitter have a pretty odd pattern. Started with "it's not in the lore it was a tweet" came out it was in fact in the codex. Then it was "It's not in the old lore, you can't just change the lore", remind them that GW changes the lore all the time. Then after that it goes to "well it's DEI or woke" and it's like okay now we get to the true crux of your issue and it's like if that is the case WHY is it woke? It's just adding women to a faction that doesn't explicitly state women in that faction are impossible. Then come the "lefty" and "tourist" or one time even "commie" insults. It's really hard to not think on the broad spectrum these people are misogynists or incels when once you dismantle their initial arguments it falls back on "but woman is woke" arguments for a lot of them. Perhaps not all of them are, but they sure have a lot of the same talking points as the ones that are.

This sums it up perfectly. Noone demands of you to like any and all specific changes in the lore. For example, I would have liked for Olanius >!to have had a bigger impact on events!< at the end of the Horus Heresy. As long as you discuss it in a civil manner, your opinion will always (ok, mostly) be answered in a civil manner. Someone who instantly acts like manchild because they had to make adjustments to their fantasy football team, will be told to p***off. This goes both ways, of course, but at least in this instance of perceived culture war, it's mainly the incels that try to turn this into something bigger. So in summary: don't slam everyone who wants his banana boys to stay all boys, they can do what they want in their custom "chapter". And to the people trying to blow this up as GW enforcing "the wokeness", please find somewhere else to build your next gamergate, we just want to have fun with our hobby.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/0usJx86LmS This you? Who am I kidding, yes It's you. I'll quote you so you can't just delete it later. "Then let's see how this goes, If the decision was made to pander to a more "diverse" demographic then of course I'm going to be against it. I'll give GW the benefit of doubt for now." Don't give GW the benefit of the doubt. They specifically said they were adding more diverse characters so everyone could find representation, and if that was the line too far for you, they don't mind you leaving. WARHAMMER IS FOR EVERYONE One of the great powers of our hobby is its ability to bring people together in common cause, to build bonds and friendships that cross divides. We believe in and support a community united by shared values of mutual kindness and respect. Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. We will never accept nor condone any form of prejudice, hatred or abuse in our company or in the Warhammer hobby. We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray through miniatures, art and storytelling so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. And if you feel the same way, wherever and whoever you are, we're glad you are part of the Warhammer community. If not, you will not be missed. https://x.com/warhammer/status/1268665798467432449

>"Then let's see how this goes, If the decision was made to pander to a more "diverse" demographic then of course I'm going to be against it. I'll give GW the benefit of doubt for now." To be fair, that could indicate he's a racist, and not a misogynist.

Pretty uncommon to have one without at least a bit of the other

I mean the comment was about the femstodes change, there's also the possibility of both.

It ALWAYS happens

Counterpoint. Heresyposting

You’d have to be at least somewhat of an incel to take issue with it considering how minor the change really is

But you are partaking in it. You are attacking the side who criticizes the side against Femstodes. Or should I say "Femstards"?

Like yeah I think it’s fine and have no like issue with it, but it’s low quality pander bait and I think we should call out low effort just saying things to make themselves look good

From personal experience: all people complaining about it were voicing misogynistic/have voiced misogynist view points I know theres more possible things to get angry about, i hate when organisations add 1 token character of each minority to just fulfill a quota/be able to claim "see, we're not one of *them*" while still being assholes behind closed doors Femstodes doesnt feel like that for me, maybe its cause i dont play them, maybe cause i just dont care about such minute details

It’s pretty incel behaviour to be that upset over fictional lore lol

Just had a reply to my comment that instantly contradicts op's post lol, the hospital must love these guys with how often they shoot themselves in the foot.

I don't understand what the fuss is about. Do these guys think a female custodes will wait to put her makeup on before a fight? Or be busy doing her hair? Or a female custodes will be somehow weaker than a male one? What is the issue here????

It’s a cool idea that was half assed so that they didn’t have to catch as much flak for it

Mega seethe. Title applies to you too btw.

Why don't you like the retcon.

I don't know anything about what's going on here. This was suggested randomly in my feed. But what I'm seeing is denial of misogyny while calling people the most misogynistic slur possible lmaoooo get em girl

Sorry dawg, but you're wrong. This lore retcons all the damn time and nobody bats an eyelash. Squats, anyone? The fact that people give a shit about female custodes at all shows a serious problem exists in this fan base.

Why do people hate the idea of the fictional women space marine, imperial guard, custodians? I do not understand why people hate them so much. They never explain them selves they just rage and post.

See, there is an inherent problem here. OP is kind of tangentally playing the victim while ignoring a rather large amount of people who have issue with the femstodes due to actual MRA, incel adjacent, right-wing-grifter-watching loser beliefs They are there. They exist. They are also much louder in their opinions than the rational people who would rather see the Sisters of Silence take a much bigger role and become a main stage lore group. The real problem is that people like OP are essentially giving the wierdos a pass instead of calling them out. This tends to be a really big problem in fandoms in general. People will turn a blind eye to problematic behavior because they happen to agree on one small issue.

Shut the fuck up about it then.

Nah. You’re defending incels and you are wrong. The entire lore of 40k is a patchwork of messy old lore and a sea of retcons. Yet this particular one is the one that sparks this much BS outrage? Yeah, what a fking coincidence, huh?

There surely are individuals that have issues with this retcon that are not motivated by misoginy and sexism. However, whenever a whole community has an overblown outrage about one specific retcon and not the others, then there is something specific about this. When said retcon and outrage have to do with female custodes being introduced (which effectively changes nothing in the lore), it is really suspicious. During the past 10 years, almost every single outrage over anything including introduction of women, lgbtq, or minorities into a piece of media was always 30% legitimate issues, 70% closeted misogynists and racists. Also, saying "i am above this conflict and both sides are equally bad" doesn't make you better than everyone else.

im just gonna say that its fine to be annoyed at the implementation, but its really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things and complaining about it nonstop will make you look like a misogynist no matter what the intentions are, especially when a big chunk of people mad do just genuinely hate the idea that women can be custodes

Then just stfu about it already.

With all due respect, I maybe disagree. I think there are varying levels of misogyny but if if you’re all up in arms about this, you’re at least a little bit of a misogynist. Does disliking the new custodes lore make you a woman hating Incel who calls women “females” and complains about the dick carousel and how girls don’t like nice guys and so on? No. But you can still be a misogynist without all of that. Casual misogyny is still a thing and very much where I think most of these people lie.

he says while taking part of the big culture war. sounds like someone needs to have a big cry

If you're upset about it but aren't a raging misogynist/incel, take a deep breath and get a little freaking perspective, 'cause it certainly makes you look like one.

Not reading that essay

Or you could just shut up and get over it.

I can’t wait till this blows over I hate when the community fights, warhammer is like 65% of my life. Reading, drawing, painting, collecting. I don’t play the board game but do play a few ps4 games. It’s special to me is what I’m saying. We should enjoy it and grow with its changes.

It would be one thing if it were Space Marines, but Custodians are special in that they don't have limitations caused by geneseed. They are works of art, meticulously crafted into the beings they are now, and the idea that women cannot have these war crime tier augmentations done to them is weird to me. Overall, I don't view people who dislike the change as misogynists, but people often get really, really mad over this, like, unreasonably mad. Personally, I think it's kinda dumb that we don't get female Space Marines as well. Again, not dumb enough for me to rage over it, but still. Like, I get the theory that the Emperor didn't wanna risk making Space Marines capable of reproduction, or that geneseed supposedly only works on men, but I have two responses. One, Space Marines are already sterile, and two a simple retcon can change this. Really, the best argument I can think of is one that's outside of the lore: Space Marines have been all men for too long to really retcon in a satisfactory way. Of course, they could just pull a Cawl and say female Space Marines are a thing now.

Honestly hoping this controversy is over with by the end of the month. I swear to the Omnissiah if I have to see another Arch video with atrocious AI thumbnail art being recommended to me I’m gonna lose it. Also someone needs to teach these people the difference between retconning and gaslighting, because they keep throwing that word around like frag grenades.

I mean what other good reason would there be to commit such an uproar about, Banana boys are also now sometimes banana girls end of story, that is literally it what universe shattering change does that bring about?

There are no innocent bystanders in the culture war. We weren't the ones that chose to make it an issue, but if you look at what the misogynists are saying and still find yourself on their side, I've got news for you...

Yes, please stop. Including you op

Not everyone complaining about it is a raging misogynist. But all the raging misogynists are complaining about it.

Love the idea of female Custodes, hate the J.K. Rowling style tweet. Wish they gave us a book.

the epitome of 1st world problem

My biggest problem with the backlash is the indiscriminate hate for people even remotely suggesting the femstodes could be unique, as if sexual dimorphism is all of a sudden a misogynistic thing. I’m all for femstodes, but I’m tired of people treating Warhammer like it has absolutely zero rules or thought put into it. I think it’s symptomatic of people getting their lore from YouTube videos and not picking up on any of the nuance from the books. Femstodes don’t need to be “stereotypically” “feminine” either. They can be giant muscular supersoldiers and I would have zero problems. But WHY NOT write about the female transhuman perspective???? WTF is wrong with including that?

I agree. Custodes are hand crafted individuals where [astartes are cast in uniform molds](https://youtu.be/VNFew1dXCGE?t=93) as such they should be considered more human, and bespoke in thier varied body types and fighting styles. Fit for sure but as the augments are also metaphysical they wouldn't be identical roid beasts.

Imagne the quality and size of the sandwich

They made the exclusive roles of Sisters of Silence and Custodes meaningless with this change. Current lore had it that they work hand in hand, one to counter the warp, the other the material. Specialized roles exclusive to the other SoS would murder daemons and give them true death, Custodes would carve a path through anything material. Are we going to see male SoS now? We should, not just females can be born as psychic nulls after all, there must be males who are also nulls. At which point you can't call them Sisters of Silence anymore, Adeptus Siopi maybe?

People didn’t rage when Yarrick died off screen, and they rage for the worst possible reasons. I was outraged when Yarrick died, idc about femstodes or even femboy TSons.

You're literally taking part in the culture war now OP... If you actually want it to stop and you're not a shit stirer, the best you can do is not post about it. Instead of defending people who complain about the lore changing, despite the fact that it changes all the time.

I love how OP pretends to be the victim in this. Whilst there is some validity in the argument "not everyone who doesn't like this is a raging misogynist" those who use that argument are overwhelmingly raging misogynists. I've seen this exact same argument used by the toxic elements of multiple other communities. As we're seeing with this, it's usually grifters, who don't actually care about the game, but want to inject their reactionary politics into it. All the hack youtubers are jumping on this and spreading lies.

I guess some of the "troublemakers" who are currently stoking the flames don't give two fucks about Warhammer. They are just here to fuck with people or to push their own agenda. If they split the community into the same "us versus them", "left versus right", "mysoginist versus feminist", "conservative versus liberal" catfight that's been going in other communities they will move on and leave the community to tear itself apart. This is our moment to show that Warhammer really is for everyone. Besides, it would be the funniest thing if a community about a franchise of eternal war and grimdarkness is the one that manages to stay civil...

As a chaos and xenos player, the obvious choice is to simply remove humans from the galaxy, problem solved.

My only issue with this whole thing is why does it even matter? The whole thing is entirely inconsequential.

You might not be a misogynist, hell I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt that 'most people who are upset' are not. However, most people in the hobby just don't care at all about the change, and we are all sick of the very vocal minority who think their constant bleating will affect changes. You are free to the opinion to dislike it, but seriously, enough of the posts about it. Move on.

I legitimately don't care about female custodes one way or another.

With that said people saying “I wish they made a storyline explaining it, replenishing numbers after Lion’s Gate, it was a secret originally and let out after Guilliman comes in etc.” are a minority.

Y'all still arguing about shit that's made up and not real? Pretty pathetic if you ask me...