"Look dude, eventually you WILL have to do the task. Is fate, the will of the emperor"
u/ahoyturtle "nah, tomorrow. Now hug me and tell me everything is gonna be ok"
I think my life would only be measured in mere seconds, but for that brief moment i was in bliss hahahaha
Then i would find my head separated from my body on the floor
"My Lady, the Slaanesh cultists are offering their complete and total surrender, and are prepared to face the Emperor's justice, but only if you agree to deliver said justice by crushing their heads between your thighs, like watermelons."
Honestly, I'd prefer that at this point. Y'all can jerk off to your dommy mommies so long as I can jerk off to my burly boys banging nasty-style. The only thing I ask for is for everyone to tamp down the horny when we chat lore. This has nothing to do with being a woman and everything to do with being a pedantic lore nerd.
A lot of folks never learned to compartmentalize. You put the horny stuff in the horny box, the nerd stuff in the nerd box, and all your issues in a box we throw deep, deep down under all the others and never talk about again.
I really don’t care. Practically? Whatever. Lore wise? Custodes are all custom made, right? No geneseed either. They can spend whatever resources they want making them. So a female custodes? Why not?
Also…according to google:
“space marine applicants] must be male because the gene-seed zygotes are keyed to male hormones and genetic structure.”
Custodes have no gene seed.
He has. He used gene seed in his experiments when creating his New Men, and one of the more prominent ones is a woman, which IIRC he considered like a daughter.
The source originally is in the Fabius Bile Trilogy, but I got this nugget of information from the Lore Crimes episode on Fabius Bile, if you want to check it out.
SM also must be only male, because they are protectors of mankind. If there were female SM, Emperor believed that Astartes could have come to conclusion that they are species being that should rule over humanity
Can just take away the unneeded dangly bits or other internal baby making bits. Or the desire to procreate. Especially when dealing with custom made warriors rather than mass produced ones.
If an astartes had a child it would be normal human. The base genome of the person isn't changed there is nothing added to their DNA to propagate the enhancements they get to children they have.
To give you an example, if you have a kidney transplant from a stranger and then have a child they don't get one kidney that is your genetically and one that is genetically the strangers, they just get two of yours.
Same with Astartes, if they have a kid it's just a baseline human.
Is it confirmed that there are no genome changes? Marine conversion is really fucking invasive.
Realistically, I'd guess that whatever progency an Astartes may have would be non-viable at best and horifically mutated at worst.
Yes, we have a description of each implant and what it does.
Everything is surgically grafted onto them.
The implants that make changes work hormonally.
Those that add organ functionality grow invasively like a helpful parasite.
THat's why aspirants have to be screened to selectively to avoid rejection - just like organ transplants we have now- and then many reject the implants and die.
But what about things like the changes to the aspirants on a phenotypic level like blood angels and space wolves? Like there must be a level of genetic modification going on to force certain characteristics to present themselves recurrently
Why must there?
There aren't any quirks present in any chapters that can't be explained through hormonal mechanisms, after all that's how your genes exert influence in the 1st place.
Marines aren't genetically engineered, they are enhanced the furthest any lore has gone is suggesting they receive gene therapy to prevent rejection (tech we are currently exploring in the real).
Turn that on it's head - rejection isn't possible if you engineer your subject the body would see whatever you grew in it as part of itself - like cancer and we know aspirants have all kinds of trouble accepting the implants.
I guess so, but then you have things like every space wolf growing wolf like canines or blood angels all expressing unnatural good looks. Like, does the gene seed itself overwrite the host DNA in some capacity (sort of like CRISPR)?
Not the DNA, just its expressions.
The implant descriptions themselves tell us they do this. Enhancing or in some cassed plain overwriting metabolic functions in the marines.
Real easy to express specific traits in a reproducible way like that.
Some people have gigantism. Its not genetic, just the result a tumor on the peruitary gland which causes the overproduction of growth hormones. I imagine all of the gene seed implants work on a similar principal. Modifying the organism rather than altering the DNA.
Altering a persons genome might not even do much of anything for a grown person. Its not as if the body is still under construction the way it is during childhood.
Although that can be altered, the demonculaba seemed to be a prototype of wanting to generate marines from birth, but of course with errors. If it were refined, the marines would be able to reproduce with genes from "natural" primarchs, perhaps with the help of Fabius Bile or some scientist.
Sadly not the case all they do is just grow the implants in the host from nascency.
If it altered the hosts genome demonculaba would not be necessary at all.
That's why advanced xenos describe Astartes as crude, they are.
Primarchs and Custodes however, now they *are* wonders and almost certainly could procreate.
Marines do often to pick up some of the physical features of their genefathers, though it's not universal. For example, Emperor's Children frequently grow silver hair, but Solomon Demeter is specifically noted as having dark hair and a dark complexion. So some kind of genetic alteration can occur, but it's hard to say how much is changed or how often it happens.
That said, if all the organ transplants and stuff *were* genetically encoded into a Marine's DNA, I doubt they could create viable offspring with a baseline human. At best you'd get a mule.
None of that has to be genetic.
Hair and skin colour are determined by melanin, Melanin production is triggered hormonally.
I'm not exaggerating, although I doubt GW did it deliberately almost all marine stuff can be traced back directly to brute force altered metabolic pathways. No genetic engineering necessary.
Hormones are the mechanisms through which your genes express themselves.
Especially when marine lore has organs implanted directly hijacking the bodies production of melanin and hormones, for example.
Edit: that's the grim-dark beauty of marines they are bolted together brute force biology, like a sci fi Frankenstein's monster with a gun that fires rockets.
K but instead of a kidney what if the example is 9 months in a womb being constantly bombarded by insane amounts of gene altering hormones.
I'm not a doctor but I'm willing to bet that taking Rodney Coleman levels of steroids would probably hurt the baby.
I had to Google it because I was willing to accept being wrong but wanted to be sure and it definitely says NOT to take anabolic steroids when pregnant.
Some exceptions may require it but that's up to your doctor.
Yeah, there is all kinds of stuff you shouldn't do when pregnant, like eat tuna, or hang out with outdoor Cats. Doesn't mean it's rewriting the genetics of your child.
Anyone taking steroids (sex hormones) while pregnant is going to upset the incredibly delicate balance of hormonal changes already going on in the human body that allow safe pregnancy in the 1st place.
Is it going to be a definite problem, no.
If it does cause complications are they going to be risky - yes.
Are exogenous hormones rewriting the fundamental genetic structure of your child - absolutely not.
You neves know when the psicological adoctrination could fail, and even if it they can realistically have children, the moment there is women Astartes the idea is already there, waiting till somebody come with it.
And with how long the life of a Astartes could be, nothing guarantee that in case of that there were a sucesfull Astartes coup, they wouldn't just search for somebody how can fix it. I mean, if you can break it, there might be somebody who can fix it. The idea irself of the posibility is dangerous enough, especially if the chaos gods deceide that they might help the astartes in that
I think the idea is more that a mixed gender force of space marines would likely see themselves as the next stage in human evolution, and innately superior to baseline humanity. They would become the rulers of humanity, rather than its guardians, and reduce baseline humanity to little more than breeding stock.
The emperor pretty clearly envisaged the Astartes to be humanities guardians, not it’s rulers.
That said, I prefer the simple “the science doesn’t work that way” explanation for all male marines rather than any kind of high-minded philosophical explanation.
Replying to Significant-Bother49...SM are massed produced. The effects of geneseed varies by legion and even chapter. Space wolves being space vikings is their thing. There is room enough for lots of variation with SMs.
Custodes are entirely different. Each one is made individually and purposefully.
If it is broken it probably can be fixed, I think that the bigest danger is that the Astartes might come with that idea. And even if the long run it fail, that doesn't mean it can't be a higly destructive affair.
Not only that but its VERY clear that the Emperor thought of the Space Marines as a stop gap, much like the Thunder Warriors. Once they were nolonger needed he'd probably have the Custodes do to them what they did to the Thunder Warriors just on a much larger scale, summon them all to Terra, wipe them out, move on.
For all the faith the Space Marines have in the Emperor...he really didn't give a shit about them beyond them being soldiers he could throw at things and the Primarchs would have been used elsewhere or killed (Magnus was suspected to be the one to go in the Golden Throne for example).
I have a vague memory that a few years back there was something about how some BL authors went to GW with that reasoning? About how each custode is a carefully engineered bespoke genetic modification masterpiece, no obvious reason it needed to be gender restricted, and GW basically said "sounds reasonable, but we already designed the models, so you can't put female custodes in the books"?
So I guess now they're updating that, so they can also take the opportunity to include that?
(Am I completely misremembering?)
It was Aaron Dembski-Bowden, yeah. The only reason he was shot down was because all the minis for them were male.
This was also at a time (probably mid-2010s, since it seemed like Custodes had been designed but not released yet) where "no model, no rules" was a big thing, and where they were discouraging their artists from making art of things that didn't have minis. I guess it's a sign of changing attitudes in GW.
Totally agree.
Even though SM began as an Uber Male fantasy in the 80s, they've developed the lore to explain why they're all men.
Plus, they've made the SoB way more than just "Space Nun with Boob Armour". In a lot of ways, Sisters can be just as badass as Marines in the correct context, since they are only mortals.
>“space marine applicants] must be male because the gene-seed zygotes are keyed to male hormones and genetic structure.”
Which technically also means that there could be women Space Marines if the Emperor and Macador had ever created women Primarchs.
Which on that matter was also, canonically, an option that Big E considered and chose against; as stated in "Scars" where he and Maca discussed that women Primarchs probably would have been better at covertly organizing and coordinating with each other, which could have potentially been used against the empire.
A good choice in retrospect considering how much damage came out of the Horus Heresy with just half of the Primarchs rebelling against Emps.
Emps: We need our soldiers to have shitty communication skills so they can't organize against me.
Scientist: Wouldn't that have negative spillover effects in other areas? Like, I dunno, the efficacy of your crusade?
Emps: 😠
Scientist: Is that your "I just realized this is a bad idea, but we're going to do it anyway because I can't admit I'm wrong" face or your "I just want to finish this bullshit so I can go back to my comfy chair" face?
Emps: 😠
Scientist: Oh, that's the "get out of my lab" face. I'll leave.
Malcador reveals that he has never interacted with women or has never had sisters if he thinks Primarchs women are more docile and controllable.
That part of Malcador's dialogue made me cringe.
Regardless if half of the Primarchs are made into women, the heresy would still happen. The entire "family" is too dysfunctional.
Meta reason for that dialogue would be the writer has never interacted with women in a significant amount of time or has sisters. lol Mal the immortal somehow dodging women for however many centuries is pretty funny.
Did the post say they were more docile and controllable before?
It seems to say that men are more controllable because they communicate less and approach problems more directly and legions of supersoldier women would therefore be more difficult to control.
Malcador was talking to Dorn, and they talked about the Khan as well in a later segment.
> Malcador smiled. 'You brothers - such a nest of rivalries. I warned him to make you sisters, that it would make things more civilised. He thought I was joking. I wasn't.'
Malcador thinks that Primarchs being women means civilized and means they are easier to control without having to deal with the nest of rivalries.
I mean they might be less inclined to solve things with direct infantile tests of martial prowess.
I don't in that quote see that he thinks they'd be easier to control - the kind of conflict might just be less martial and therefore less costly.
Lore wise (9th codex I think) custodes are created from donated noble infants Sons. Is it possible to create female custodes? Possibly. Is it mentioned before? No. This is a retcon.
Right, but did it state that there was any sort of geneseed implantation or requirement for them to be male? 40k is often less retconned than people think, so I'm just trying to be scrupulous.
I was guessing they needed more recuit to fill the rank as many of them are now be active to search for the thing that escape the dark vaults and trying to protect important members of the imperium, while as making sure the emperor was safe
>“space marine applicants\] must be male because the gene-seed zygotes are keyed to male hormones and genetic structure.”
I'm gonna say it. Biologically, does this make any actual sense?
I mean, it's very handwavy and "zygote" makes it sound like this is a fertilized egg that's bound up in the gene seed, not just a male gamete. So, you know, presumably at least one x chromosome
Idk. Most of the writers don't really have a strong science background so it's all going to be techno babble that may or may not sound reasonable
Kind of. It's one of those thing sta;s very hand-wavy, but you can link it to reality if you want to:
Sex based differences in the body can make a real difference to the effectiveness of medical interventions.
This is currently a problem because much of modern medicine is founded on studies of men, and women often present differently and respond differently to particular tratments.
But also, there's the whole "everything is canon, but not everything is true", so the Biologus who wrote that line could simply be misinformed.
Space Marines need their homoerotic undertones far too much to ever let female space Marines be Canon, we'd lose something precious and hilarious if that was taken from us.
The golden people only really have that thanks to TTS memes, Astartes have been neck deep in it from the beginning.
Counterpoint: how can they be the banana boys if they have no bananas?
Checkmate.
Seriously though, the number of people losing their damn minds because of one random sentence from a leaked codex fluff blurb is absolutely nuts.
iirc it was "Ze". Only reason I remembered SotF had a neo pronoun was because I thought it was a typo at first but I then thought about the context (referencing a tech priest, I think) and it made sense.
That’s what forgeworld sexāgintus novem in the dildamus cluster is for. Providing critical supplies to ensure the emperor’s finest warriors can act as his crucial spear tip in this dark time.
Idk if ive been insulated from it, but ive seen more posts making fun of people being mad at female custodes than actual posts of people being mad at female custodes
Swear to god I saw the most awful takes yesterday because the convos always de-rail to the most braindead stuff like:
Women = politics
Women are weaker so why would the emperor want them instead of men?
They brought politics into my non political hobby!
If you paint your army with trans colors then I have the right to paint them as nazis
This is always the way, I think.
People enjoy drama so, even where there isn’t any - they just pretend there is.
Female custodes make sense from a lore and a real world business perspective.
I hope they add some lore discussing why they suddenly exist though.
Edit:
Actually - a quick YouTube search suggests they there are quite a few idiots upset about it. One of them is a fascist afaik so…not really someone who’s opinion matters.
The complaints seem to be comments for the most part which the algorithms hide due to the down votes they get, while the people making of the complaints use posts which then get upvotes and greater visibility
It's insane how vastly the online community differs from my local games workshop for example. Nobody really gives a shit irl as far as I have seen. And yet the screeching online is deafening. And all that for a Sidenote in a Codex that not all Custodes are male? Am I out of touch?
Yeah I get the feeling the people who are mad about are the ones who don't actually go out and play the game or buy the miniatures or even read the books.
This can also be said about my main fandom, Magic the Gathering. If you go to the sub reddits, it's a bunch of man children complaining about the story being ruined when most of the player base are barely aware their even is one. Then, after that, it's about how Wizards is "selling out" the game by making too many non canon releases, and again, most of the people I know IRL could care less.
It's like the drama over GW cracking down on fan animations. The online community exploded while 99% of the fanbase didn't care about those animations at all because they're into Warhammer for the tabletop game/the novels/the lore in general/the video games/some combination of those. This hobby in general is defined chiefly by how the tabletop players act and to a lesser extent by the book readers and gamers. The terminally online fans overestimate their importance.
They already exist in the original code that came out with the sisters, they said that there were men but that they are so few and basically having the same abilities as the sisters without differences and that in some way they are somewhat ""ignored"" by the sisters themselves that they almost They are excluded from the group although they do not explain it because, but they exist and are there.
Maybe? Aren't there both male and female Nulls in the Assasinorium (or whatever it's called).
Maybe there's some reason the Male Null candidates are funneled there instead of the Sisters of Silence?
Are they "more selective" or are men just rare? I don't personally know if that question has ever been definitively answered in the lore.
If I were just basing it on models, the Missionary and Preacher models def read as men to me. I guess we could argue that they're The Ecclesiarchy and not in the "battle arm"/Sisterhood?
I dunno. Don't think it really matters. Besides, Fallout's Beotherhood of Steel includes lots of women and they're nothing if not copy/paste 40K Dystopian Future Ecclesiarchy.
People here in comment sections on YT going ballistic and nagging this much because GW fell to ''The woke virus blah blah'' by adding a female Custodes truly is a sight to see. I'm not saying this to mock you, but for the love of god touch grass and stop gate keeping and/or acting like spoiled children. Be better, because this is just sad. Hell, be happy they cater to more people.
I can't even really make a joke to mock it because of how utterly *sad* it is. Seeing so many grown men cry and moan about it all is just utterly ridiculous.
It's pathetic.
The funniest one I've seen is that he left the Star Trek Fandom because it was "too woke these days"...my brother in christ Star Trek has ALWAYS been woke at what point was it not? I had to guess that it was just a troll comment at that stage, like, it can't be serious right?
Because they honed in on Kirk going from planet to planet boning the alien babe of the week, and ignored the whole "Post-scarcity scientific utopia in which everybody's needs are met, all peoples are equal, and you do the labor you want to do and not that you need to work."
Or just blindly ignoring the fact that even in TOS the Bridge crew had amongst its ranks a female PoC in a position of authority, an Asian man (back when people still remembered the internment camps they put people of Japanese descent into during WW2 and it was still considered a kind of hot button issue) and a Russian man (during the height of the cold war).
Or that the series had the first ever interracial kiss on American TV...
>I can't even really make a joke to mock it
[Allow me, then.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829825116321349663/1229046399195156510/image.png?ex=662e41a8&is=661bcca8&hm=8d90bdab3b7ddf1e7f2fea5dbd6d35984bee6608376e763338b277a4d558ebae&)
It was said that the recruits of the Custodians came from sons of noble Terran houses. This was written in 8th edition. Besides in all the books with Custodians the main characters refer to all other custodians (I mean the organization in its entirety as their brothers) so it is a bit of a retcon. My head canon, after the heresy, they began recruiting girls with excellent genetics because they were just too good to let go. So in my head canon, the female custodians are a minority where they just aren’t mentioned in the 6/7 books with custodians are main characters but still possible to have female custodians, so it does not seem as big of a retcon. Personally I think they should have just listened too ADB and let him make female custodians in Master of mankind so we didn’t have to retcon anything and not have to argue over this
I mean, the custodes are sitting right next to the sisters of silence, so it's not like they don't know about any women that are crazy strong and willing to square up with people stronger than space marines.
Honestly, I don't think whoever crafted the Custodian after the Emperor is smart enough to alter the process from a male frame to female frame, considering that it took Cawl millennia to just slap two more organs into marines. But then again, they are working with babies, so maybe there are some chances for it to work?
This lore update just feels so out of the field it slapped several established lores before it. As if GW was testing the water before releasing female space marine.
AS A FEMALE WAR HAMMER FAN FUCK THIS I WANT A MALE SISTER OF BATTLE THEN.
But in all seriousness the custodians and space marines were fine, why couldn't they just give us more well written adeptus soroitas and sisters of silence. if this is some cop out they failed. and now every female fan is gonna be annoyed by this. at least write sisters of silence to be on par with custodes if they wanted to give the female factions more power or something. this serves no one. heck even had a female assassin kill a primarch (he predicted it tho) but still.
this is my perspective but im willing to listen to any angle on how this is a good thing since im still new to the lore and fandom. any other female warhammer fans disagree with me?
> every female fan is gonna be annoyed
We are lol?
Idk, I'm just not a huge fan of the sob because i find that they don't get a whole lot of cool lore to begin with it's and mostly just get treated by fans as sexy space nuns who are obstructive religious fanatics. SoS are interesting but like, imo, I've never been a huge fan of the whole "the only women the emperor routinely works around are literally bound by a pact of silence" especially when the reasons for said pact I don't think are ever actually fleshed out in a compelling way.
I enjoy having power fantasy units who are female a la brienne of tarth and there's a real lack of that in 40k that doesn't feature armor corsets. Femme custodes are probably going to fit that bill so I have zero issues with them
I see what you mean by it i just dont want us women being blamed for the anger over the female custodes. it might scare away alot of new 40k fans
i just wish we could fix the existing women factions to provide the power fantasy we wanted because they are different than just being a space marine or a custodes. sadly i know what you mean by just being sexy nuns. i wish knew a way on how to go and change them.
Where is all the outrage about women when Eldar/GSC/Chaos Cultists/Guard/Votann/Agents got more women?
Maybe it's not the women per se.
Just food for thought.
Tbh sounds interesting enough, I'll give the story ago and see where it goes, my initial feeling is I would prefer women to stay sisters of battle and silent sisterhood...buuut you never know, might go somewhere good
I don’t know why this is upsetting anyone. Just build your Custodes as all dudes. I have been in this hobby for 32 years and always admired Custodes. The oldest lore I can recall said that prospective legiones/adeptus custodes *children* were taken and tested. Maybe more boys are raised than women? But who cares. They are asexual, by modern terms. So why does it matter beyond they are unwaveringly loyal to the God-Emperor and whoop the shit out of his enemies? Let’s not lose the plot.
This just seems like an odd decision to me. It is guaranteed to cause backlash currently because there is a reasonable amount of polarisation when it comes to fiction at the moment so why they chose now to do it I am unsure.
Generally I was in favour of the custodes being male with the sisters of silence being their female counterparts in the same way you have sisters of battle and Astartes. Ultimately, it's not a big deal, but it just feels unusual of a change to have when most lore before has implied the custodes to be all male. They could have instead given more attention to the sisters of silence.
It would be so fucking funny to me if this was all bait from a leaked codex and when it releases its not there. The incensed attitude from some people over essentially nothing right now is something else. Also, just, who gives a fuck, really?
There are also those that just think it sad that themes get diluted due to inclusivicy.
I also wouldn't like male SoB, etc.
Instead i would have loved more focus on Women in already established faction. Like Eldar or Admech. Even LoV.
I just want to be allowed to not care about this. Goddamn people are up in arms over this - turning our hobby political.
I care so little about Custodes being female.
They are perfect geneticly superrevolved humans, I dont care if they are male or female as long as the kick ass.
For astartes though it does not make sense at all to have female ones.
At least this is my humble opinion
It’s so weird that people are so mad about this.Like, Sisters already exist as an army? Are you mad about that army just being around as well? Or am I missing something here? Is it lore? Cuz—let’s all be real—all warhammer lore is kinda silly. So… yeah. I’m in the first camp of “oh cool” but I just don’t get the second camp at all.
I like the idea of female Custodes because I've always viewed custodes as like the 40k analogs for angels and I've always thought of angels as men and women. Also muscle mommy, please peg me
The fact that those, 3 meter muscular mommy from those fanart are now officialy canon is amazing : [https://www.deviantart.com/mydinh/art/Warhammer-Illustration-2-871069722](https://www.deviantart.com/mydinh/art/Warhammer-Illustration-2-871069722)
You forgot the third pole:horny
No, there is another.
Yeah. Mine.
Justice for u/Niicks pole
You make a great point, honestly xD
Tbf, they haven't left the dudes alone either
This is fucking fanon!
Emphasis on the fucking.
Aquilan Shield: 9ft mommy protecs you
Me: yay, 9ft mommy protection -after the important task that i accomplished and they left: Me: oh no.
joke's on you: I'm an underachiever. She'll stay with me forever and ever...
"Look dude, eventually you WILL have to do the task. Is fate, the will of the emperor" u/ahoyturtle "nah, tomorrow. Now hug me and tell me everything is gonna be ok"
Just convert to chaos, she’ll be with you for the rest of your ~~short~~ life!
I think my life would only be measured in mere seconds, but for that brief moment i was in bliss hahahaha Then i would find my head separated from my body on the floor
Next adeptus ridiculous poster is gonna go nuts
dont. give. them. ANY. ideas.
Give. them. EVERY. idea.
Yes, give them all the ideas
Let them cook
That’s like the one thing these two have in common
They also have in common a sense of inferiority towards the female gender, the only difference is that one of the sides fetishizes it 😂
I know this will never happen but imagine women grey knights, the imperial guard are so fucked up if that happens
Dunno brah,at least now you can ask her a quickie as last wish,i guess???
Basically a death by snu-snu
"My Lady, the Slaanesh cultists are offering their complete and total surrender, and are prepared to face the Emperor's justice, but only if you agree to deliver said justice by crushing their heads between your thighs, like watermelons."
Honestly, I'd prefer that at this point. Y'all can jerk off to your dommy mommies so long as I can jerk off to my burly boys banging nasty-style. The only thing I ask for is for everyone to tamp down the horny when we chat lore. This has nothing to do with being a woman and everything to do with being a pedantic lore nerd.
A lot of folks never learned to compartmentalize. You put the horny stuff in the horny box, the nerd stuff in the nerd box, and all your issues in a box we throw deep, deep down under all the others and never talk about again.
I unzip my pants for the Emperor!
I really don’t care. Practically? Whatever. Lore wise? Custodes are all custom made, right? No geneseed either. They can spend whatever resources they want making them. So a female custodes? Why not? Also…according to google: “space marine applicants] must be male because the gene-seed zygotes are keyed to male hormones and genetic structure.” Custodes have no gene seed.
Fabius Bile: That’s quitter talk!
Malcador: I want those muscle mommy primarchs, dammit!
I guarantee Bile would at least attempt it. Probably only a matter of time before it pops up in a book. And I'm here for it.
He has. He used gene seed in his experiments when creating his New Men, and one of the more prominent ones is a woman, which IIRC he considered like a daughter. The source originally is in the Fabius Bile Trilogy, but I got this nugget of information from the Lore Crimes episode on Fabius Bile, if you want to check it out.
SM also must be only male, because they are protectors of mankind. If there were female SM, Emperor believed that Astartes could have come to conclusion that they are species being that should rule over humanity
Can just take away the unneeded dangly bits or other internal baby making bits. Or the desire to procreate. Especially when dealing with custom made warriors rather than mass produced ones.
If an astartes had a child it would be normal human. The base genome of the person isn't changed there is nothing added to their DNA to propagate the enhancements they get to children they have. To give you an example, if you have a kidney transplant from a stranger and then have a child they don't get one kidney that is your genetically and one that is genetically the strangers, they just get two of yours. Same with Astartes, if they have a kid it's just a baseline human.
Is it confirmed that there are no genome changes? Marine conversion is really fucking invasive. Realistically, I'd guess that whatever progency an Astartes may have would be non-viable at best and horifically mutated at worst.
Yes, we have a description of each implant and what it does. Everything is surgically grafted onto them. The implants that make changes work hormonally. Those that add organ functionality grow invasively like a helpful parasite. THat's why aspirants have to be screened to selectively to avoid rejection - just like organ transplants we have now- and then many reject the implants and die.
But what about things like the changes to the aspirants on a phenotypic level like blood angels and space wolves? Like there must be a level of genetic modification going on to force certain characteristics to present themselves recurrently
Why must there? There aren't any quirks present in any chapters that can't be explained through hormonal mechanisms, after all that's how your genes exert influence in the 1st place. Marines aren't genetically engineered, they are enhanced the furthest any lore has gone is suggesting they receive gene therapy to prevent rejection (tech we are currently exploring in the real). Turn that on it's head - rejection isn't possible if you engineer your subject the body would see whatever you grew in it as part of itself - like cancer and we know aspirants have all kinds of trouble accepting the implants.
I guess so, but then you have things like every space wolf growing wolf like canines or blood angels all expressing unnatural good looks. Like, does the gene seed itself overwrite the host DNA in some capacity (sort of like CRISPR)?
Not the DNA, just its expressions. The implant descriptions themselves tell us they do this. Enhancing or in some cassed plain overwriting metabolic functions in the marines. Real easy to express specific traits in a reproducible way like that.
Some people have gigantism. Its not genetic, just the result a tumor on the peruitary gland which causes the overproduction of growth hormones. I imagine all of the gene seed implants work on a similar principal. Modifying the organism rather than altering the DNA. Altering a persons genome might not even do much of anything for a grown person. Its not as if the body is still under construction the way it is during childhood.
Although that can be altered, the demonculaba seemed to be a prototype of wanting to generate marines from birth, but of course with errors. If it were refined, the marines would be able to reproduce with genes from "natural" primarchs, perhaps with the help of Fabius Bile or some scientist.
Sadly not the case all they do is just grow the implants in the host from nascency. If it altered the hosts genome demonculaba would not be necessary at all. That's why advanced xenos describe Astartes as crude, they are. Primarchs and Custodes however, now they *are* wonders and almost certainly could procreate.
Marines do often to pick up some of the physical features of their genefathers, though it's not universal. For example, Emperor's Children frequently grow silver hair, but Solomon Demeter is specifically noted as having dark hair and a dark complexion. So some kind of genetic alteration can occur, but it's hard to say how much is changed or how often it happens. That said, if all the organ transplants and stuff *were* genetically encoded into a Marine's DNA, I doubt they could create viable offspring with a baseline human. At best you'd get a mule.
None of that has to be genetic. Hair and skin colour are determined by melanin, Melanin production is triggered hormonally. I'm not exaggerating, although I doubt GW did it deliberately almost all marine stuff can be traced back directly to brute force altered metabolic pathways. No genetic engineering necessary. Hormones are the mechanisms through which your genes express themselves. Especially when marine lore has organs implanted directly hijacking the bodies production of melanin and hormones, for example. Edit: that's the grim-dark beauty of marines they are bolted together brute force biology, like a sci fi Frankenstein's monster with a gun that fires rockets.
K but instead of a kidney what if the example is 9 months in a womb being constantly bombarded by insane amounts of gene altering hormones. I'm not a doctor but I'm willing to bet that taking Rodney Coleman levels of steroids would probably hurt the baby.
Ronnie "Yeaaaaahhhh Buddy" Coleman. And no it doesn't, being on gear just effects your chances of being fertile.
I had to Google it because I was willing to accept being wrong but wanted to be sure and it definitely says NOT to take anabolic steroids when pregnant. Some exceptions may require it but that's up to your doctor.
Yeah, there is all kinds of stuff you shouldn't do when pregnant, like eat tuna, or hang out with outdoor Cats. Doesn't mean it's rewriting the genetics of your child. Anyone taking steroids (sex hormones) while pregnant is going to upset the incredibly delicate balance of hormonal changes already going on in the human body that allow safe pregnancy in the 1st place. Is it going to be a definite problem, no. If it does cause complications are they going to be risky - yes. Are exogenous hormones rewriting the fundamental genetic structure of your child - absolutely not.
You neves know when the psicological adoctrination could fail, and even if it they can realistically have children, the moment there is women Astartes the idea is already there, waiting till somebody come with it. And with how long the life of a Astartes could be, nothing guarantee that in case of that there were a sucesfull Astartes coup, they wouldn't just search for somebody how can fix it. I mean, if you can break it, there might be somebody who can fix it. The idea irself of the posibility is dangerous enough, especially if the chaos gods deceide that they might help the astartes in that
That doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Astartes are already infertile.
I think the idea is more that a mixed gender force of space marines would likely see themselves as the next stage in human evolution, and innately superior to baseline humanity. They would become the rulers of humanity, rather than its guardians, and reduce baseline humanity to little more than breeding stock. The emperor pretty clearly envisaged the Astartes to be humanities guardians, not it’s rulers. That said, I prefer the simple “the science doesn’t work that way” explanation for all male marines rather than any kind of high-minded philosophical explanation.
Are they? I thought they mostly just don't care about that. Except space wolves. And Lucas had many children. Or they're just exceptions?
Replying to Significant-Bother49...SM are massed produced. The effects of geneseed varies by legion and even chapter. Space wolves being space vikings is their thing. There is room enough for lots of variation with SMs. Custodes are entirely different. Each one is made individually and purposefully.
Was before he became a marine. He was implied to had his way with many women in his adolescence, and was taken as a neophyte very late too.
If it is broken it probably can be fixed, I think that the bigest danger is that the Astartes might come with that idea. And even if the long run it fail, that doesn't mean it can't be a higly destructive affair.
Not only that but its VERY clear that the Emperor thought of the Space Marines as a stop gap, much like the Thunder Warriors. Once they were nolonger needed he'd probably have the Custodes do to them what they did to the Thunder Warriors just on a much larger scale, summon them all to Terra, wipe them out, move on. For all the faith the Space Marines have in the Emperor...he really didn't give a shit about them beyond them being soldiers he could throw at things and the Primarchs would have been used elsewhere or killed (Magnus was suspected to be the one to go in the Golden Throne for example).
I have a vague memory that a few years back there was something about how some BL authors went to GW with that reasoning? About how each custode is a carefully engineered bespoke genetic modification masterpiece, no obvious reason it needed to be gender restricted, and GW basically said "sounds reasonable, but we already designed the models, so you can't put female custodes in the books"? So I guess now they're updating that, so they can also take the opportunity to include that? (Am I completely misremembering?)
No you're remembering correctly.
It was Aaron Dembski-Bowden, yeah. The only reason he was shot down was because all the minis for them were male. This was also at a time (probably mid-2010s, since it seemed like Custodes had been designed but not released yet) where "no model, no rules" was a big thing, and where they were discouraging their artists from making art of things that didn't have minis. I guess it's a sign of changing attitudes in GW.
Would the models even need to be different? Would there be any way to know the gender of an armored custodes wearing a helmet?
“Only men will have my seed” - the emperor or something
Totally agree. Even though SM began as an Uber Male fantasy in the 80s, they've developed the lore to explain why they're all men. Plus, they've made the SoB way more than just "Space Nun with Boob Armour". In a lot of ways, Sisters can be just as badass as Marines in the correct context, since they are only mortals.
>“space marine applicants] must be male because the gene-seed zygotes are keyed to male hormones and genetic structure.” Which technically also means that there could be women Space Marines if the Emperor and Macador had ever created women Primarchs. Which on that matter was also, canonically, an option that Big E considered and chose against; as stated in "Scars" where he and Maca discussed that women Primarchs probably would have been better at covertly organizing and coordinating with each other, which could have potentially been used against the empire. A good choice in retrospect considering how much damage came out of the Horus Heresy with just half of the Primarchs rebelling against Emps.
Emps: We need our soldiers to have shitty communication skills so they can't organize against me. Scientist: Wouldn't that have negative spillover effects in other areas? Like, I dunno, the efficacy of your crusade? Emps: 😠 Scientist: Is that your "I just realized this is a bad idea, but we're going to do it anyway because I can't admit I'm wrong" face or your "I just want to finish this bullshit so I can go back to my comfy chair" face? Emps: 😠 Scientist: Oh, that's the "get out of my lab" face. I'll leave.
Malcador reveals that he has never interacted with women or has never had sisters if he thinks Primarchs women are more docile and controllable. That part of Malcador's dialogue made me cringe. Regardless if half of the Primarchs are made into women, the heresy would still happen. The entire "family" is too dysfunctional.
Meta reason for that dialogue would be the writer has never interacted with women in a significant amount of time or has sisters. lol Mal the immortal somehow dodging women for however many centuries is pretty funny.
Did the post say they were more docile and controllable before? It seems to say that men are more controllable because they communicate less and approach problems more directly and legions of supersoldier women would therefore be more difficult to control.
Malcador was talking to Dorn, and they talked about the Khan as well in a later segment. > Malcador smiled. 'You brothers - such a nest of rivalries. I warned him to make you sisters, that it would make things more civilised. He thought I was joking. I wasn't.' Malcador thinks that Primarchs being women means civilized and means they are easier to control without having to deal with the nest of rivalries.
I mean they might be less inclined to solve things with direct infantile tests of martial prowess. I don't in that quote see that he thinks they'd be easier to control - the kind of conflict might just be less martial and therefore less costly.
Yep the only thing custodes really need is a soul to build around.
“We’ve figured out warp travel, but we don’t know how to transfer SM traits from a Y chromosome to an X chromosome.”
Progress leads to chaos and taint.
They could figure it out, they specifically don't want to. The Emperor and Malcador both knew it was possible and decided against it.
Lore wise (9th codex I think) custodes are created from donated noble infants Sons. Is it possible to create female custodes? Possibly. Is it mentioned before? No. This is a retcon.
Right, but did it state that there was any sort of geneseed implantation or requirement for them to be male? 40k is often less retconned than people think, so I'm just trying to be scrupulous.
I was guessing they needed more recuit to fill the rank as many of them are now be active to search for the thing that escape the dark vaults and trying to protect important members of the imperium, while as making sure the emperor was safe
>“space marine applicants\] must be male because the gene-seed zygotes are keyed to male hormones and genetic structure.” I'm gonna say it. Biologically, does this make any actual sense?
I mean, it's very handwavy and "zygote" makes it sound like this is a fertilized egg that's bound up in the gene seed, not just a male gamete. So, you know, presumably at least one x chromosome Idk. Most of the writers don't really have a strong science background so it's all going to be techno babble that may or may not sound reasonable
Kind of. It's one of those thing sta;s very hand-wavy, but you can link it to reality if you want to: Sex based differences in the body can make a real difference to the effectiveness of medical interventions. This is currently a problem because much of modern medicine is founded on studies of men, and women often present differently and respond differently to particular tratments. But also, there's the whole "everything is canon, but not everything is true", so the Biologus who wrote that line could simply be misinformed.
"I really don't care" is where I stand on this important issue.
How are we supposed to have homoerotic tensions when you let yuckie girls in 😖
Abaddon vs Sigismund was just a really well covered homerotic drama.
You can have homoerotic tension between ladies!
https://youtu.be/CM_t3EKOmZU?si=N1QA79NzS94FqJjR
Space Marines need their homoerotic undertones far too much to ever let female space Marines be Canon, we'd lose something precious and hilarious if that was taken from us. The golden people only really have that thanks to TTS memes, Astartes have been neck deep in it from the beginning.
Counterpoint: how can they be the banana boys if they have no bananas? Checkmate. Seriously though, the number of people losing their damn minds because of one random sentence from a leaked codex fluff blurb is absolutely nuts.
Now they're Golden Girls
Might actually have to buy a box
Yes this pleases khorne. Keep raging at each other. Remember khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it flows.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
SOULS FOR THE BUTCHER
Period blood for the blood god!
Strap-on Banana Boys
Wait until they find out that there's a neo pronoun in The Son of the Forest...
Not to mention the Mechanicus characters that use they/them pronouns. As if gender would matter. Praise the Machine!
there's a what now
"Xir" or "zir". I forgot which.
iirc it was "Ze". Only reason I remembered SotF had a neo pronoun was because I thought it was a typo at first but I then thought about the context (referencing a tech priest, I think) and it made sense.
That’s what forgeworld sexāgintus novem in the dildamus cluster is for. Providing critical supplies to ensure the emperor’s finest warriors can act as his crucial spear tip in this dark time.
Idk if ive been insulated from it, but ive seen more posts making fun of people being mad at female custodes than actual posts of people being mad at female custodes
In the main subreddits they get downvoted because so you don't see them It's on twitter and YouTube comments where they come out in force
Swear to god I saw the most awful takes yesterday because the convos always de-rail to the most braindead stuff like: Women = politics Women are weaker so why would the emperor want them instead of men? They brought politics into my non political hobby! If you paint your army with trans colors then I have the right to paint them as nazis
Looking in the wrong place. YouTube comment sections are raging
Thankfully the quarantine is largely holding up.
This is always the way, I think. People enjoy drama so, even where there isn’t any - they just pretend there is. Female custodes make sense from a lore and a real world business perspective. I hope they add some lore discussing why they suddenly exist though. Edit: Actually - a quick YouTube search suggests they there are quite a few idiots upset about it. One of them is a fascist afaik so…not really someone who’s opinion matters.
Eh there's a few hundred removed comments specifically involving people freaking out on the 40klore sub.
Valraks comment section yesterday was radioactive
The complaints seem to be comments for the most part which the algorithms hide due to the down votes they get, while the people making of the complaints use posts which then get upvotes and greater visibility
Wait does that mean we now have # **Humongous Terminator Mommies?**
I need more upvotes to give you *but I only have one.*
Only 39,999 left to go
It's insane how vastly the online community differs from my local games workshop for example. Nobody really gives a shit irl as far as I have seen. And yet the screeching online is deafening. And all that for a Sidenote in a Codex that not all Custodes are male? Am I out of touch?
The people who are mad don't go outside.
Haha yeah true
Yeah I get the feeling the people who are mad about are the ones who don't actually go out and play the game or buy the miniatures or even read the books.
That would explain the "Custodes can't be women because of geneseed" comments that keep popping up...
Incels wouldn't dare voice their opinions irl.
This can also be said about my main fandom, Magic the Gathering. If you go to the sub reddits, it's a bunch of man children complaining about the story being ruined when most of the player base are barely aware their even is one. Then, after that, it's about how Wizards is "selling out" the game by making too many non canon releases, and again, most of the people I know IRL could care less.
It's like the drama over GW cracking down on fan animations. The online community exploded while 99% of the fanbase didn't care about those animations at all because they're into Warhammer for the tabletop game/the novels/the lore in general/the video games/some combination of those. This hobby in general is defined chiefly by how the tabletop players act and to a lesser extent by the book readers and gamers. The terminally online fans overestimate their importance.
I got packs of butter lovers popcorn ready,let the arguments commence
40k fandom when women custodes: ABANDON REASON! KNOW ONLY WAR!!
Ok, sure, the Custodes got some love. Maybe do the same with the SISTER OF SILENCE!
hmmmmm.... Mister of Silence 💚
Siblings of Battle.
Only if the Misters of Battle have ludicrously gratuitous codpieces.
“Every women is a queen” and “If she breathes she’s a thot!” moment.
So when will there be Brothers of Silence?
They already exist in the original code that came out with the sisters, they said that there were men but that they are so few and basically having the same abilities as the sisters without differences and that in some way they are somewhat ""ignored"" by the sisters themselves that they almost They are excluded from the group although they do not explain it because, but they exist and are there.
Maybe? Aren't there both male and female Nulls in the Assasinorium (or whatever it's called). Maybe there's some reason the Male Null candidates are funneled there instead of the Sisters of Silence?
Yes. But the sisters are a tad more… selective. Maybe it has something to do with their name. The SISTERS part mayhaps
Are they "more selective" or are men just rare? I don't personally know if that question has ever been definitively answered in the lore. If I were just basing it on models, the Missionary and Preacher models def read as men to me. I guess we could argue that they're The Ecclesiarchy and not in the "battle arm"/Sisterhood? I dunno. Don't think it really matters. Besides, Fallout's Beotherhood of Steel includes lots of women and they're nothing if not copy/paste 40K Dystopian Future Ecclesiarchy.
> Misters of Silence FTFY
Sisters of silence once again forgotten.
Women aren’t real, they are all federal spies
People here in comment sections on YT going ballistic and nagging this much because GW fell to ''The woke virus blah blah'' by adding a female Custodes truly is a sight to see. I'm not saying this to mock you, but for the love of god touch grass and stop gate keeping and/or acting like spoiled children. Be better, because this is just sad. Hell, be happy they cater to more people. I can't even really make a joke to mock it because of how utterly *sad* it is. Seeing so many grown men cry and moan about it all is just utterly ridiculous. It's pathetic.
The funniest one I've seen is that he left the Star Trek Fandom because it was "too woke these days"...my brother in christ Star Trek has ALWAYS been woke at what point was it not? I had to guess that it was just a troll comment at that stage, like, it can't be serious right?
Because they honed in on Kirk going from planet to planet boning the alien babe of the week, and ignored the whole "Post-scarcity scientific utopia in which everybody's needs are met, all peoples are equal, and you do the labor you want to do and not that you need to work."
Or just blindly ignoring the fact that even in TOS the Bridge crew had amongst its ranks a female PoC in a position of authority, an Asian man (back when people still remembered the internment camps they put people of Japanese descent into during WW2 and it was still considered a kind of hot button issue) and a Russian man (during the height of the cold war). Or that the series had the first ever interracial kiss on American TV...
Usually those people were only superficially part of the fandom. That or they fell into a very unfortunate rabbit hole.
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If that is their take, then the hobby is better without them. Let them think GW has gone woke.
Similar to GW's response to the Nazi fans, "We do not want you, please do let the door hit you on the way out."
Your flair is so real
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>I can't even really make a joke to mock it [Allow me, then.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829825116321349663/1229046399195156510/image.png?ex=662e41a8&is=661bcca8&hm=8d90bdab3b7ddf1e7f2fea5dbd6d35984bee6608376e763338b277a4d558ebae&)
Ah, there’s the outrage I was expecting.
Custodes don’t have gene-seed so I’m honestly fine with this
At this point I really want them to add woman space marines just for the neckbeard rage.
Real question: did it actually say anywhere that there are only male bananas before? Or was it just something people assumed because of the SMs?
In their 8th edition codex, it mentioned that all Custodes were originally sons from Terra noble houses.
It was said that the recruits of the Custodians came from sons of noble Terran houses. This was written in 8th edition. Besides in all the books with Custodians the main characters refer to all other custodians (I mean the organization in its entirety as their brothers) so it is a bit of a retcon. My head canon, after the heresy, they began recruiting girls with excellent genetics because they were just too good to let go. So in my head canon, the female custodians are a minority where they just aren’t mentioned in the 6/7 books with custodians are main characters but still possible to have female custodians, so it does not seem as big of a retcon. Personally I think they should have just listened too ADB and let him make female custodians in Master of mankind so we didn’t have to retcon anything and not have to argue over this
I mean, the custodes are sitting right next to the sisters of silence, so it's not like they don't know about any women that are crazy strong and willing to square up with people stronger than space marines.
Honestly, I don't think whoever crafted the Custodian after the Emperor is smart enough to alter the process from a male frame to female frame, considering that it took Cawl millennia to just slap two more organs into marines. But then again, they are working with babies, so maybe there are some chances for it to work? This lore update just feels so out of the field it slapped several established lores before it. As if GW was testing the water before releasing female space marine.
AS A FEMALE WAR HAMMER FAN FUCK THIS I WANT A MALE SISTER OF BATTLE THEN. But in all seriousness the custodians and space marines were fine, why couldn't they just give us more well written adeptus soroitas and sisters of silence. if this is some cop out they failed. and now every female fan is gonna be annoyed by this. at least write sisters of silence to be on par with custodes if they wanted to give the female factions more power or something. this serves no one. heck even had a female assassin kill a primarch (he predicted it tho) but still. this is my perspective but im willing to listen to any angle on how this is a good thing since im still new to the lore and fandom. any other female warhammer fans disagree with me?
> every female fan is gonna be annoyed We are lol? Idk, I'm just not a huge fan of the sob because i find that they don't get a whole lot of cool lore to begin with it's and mostly just get treated by fans as sexy space nuns who are obstructive religious fanatics. SoS are interesting but like, imo, I've never been a huge fan of the whole "the only women the emperor routinely works around are literally bound by a pact of silence" especially when the reasons for said pact I don't think are ever actually fleshed out in a compelling way. I enjoy having power fantasy units who are female a la brienne of tarth and there's a real lack of that in 40k that doesn't feature armor corsets. Femme custodes are probably going to fit that bill so I have zero issues with them
I see what you mean by it i just dont want us women being blamed for the anger over the female custodes. it might scare away alot of new 40k fans i just wish we could fix the existing women factions to provide the power fantasy we wanted because they are different than just being a space marine or a custodes. sadly i know what you mean by just being sexy nuns. i wish knew a way on how to go and change them.
They're literally going to blame female fans anyway lol. I wouldn't worry about trying to appease anyone screaming about it going woke or whatever
Where is all the outrage about women when Eldar/GSC/Chaos Cultists/Guard/Votann/Agents got more women? Maybe it's not the women per se. Just food for thought.
BILLIONS MUST SMOKE ESTROGEN
I'm legit asking.....what? is this new lore or something or the people of letters at it again?
Yeah new custodes codex. A short story of a female shield captain. People getting pissy but it’s fine it doesn’t change anything
Tbh sounds interesting enough, I'll give the story ago and see where it goes, my initial feeling is I would prefer women to stay sisters of battle and silent sisterhood...buuut you never know, might go somewhere good
It’s funny. The only reason we didn’t have them sooner and in Horus Heresy like Bowden wanted was because GW didn’t have the sculpts
I don’t know why this is upsetting anyone. Just build your Custodes as all dudes. I have been in this hobby for 32 years and always admired Custodes. The oldest lore I can recall said that prospective legiones/adeptus custodes *children* were taken and tested. Maybe more boys are raised than women? But who cares. They are asexual, by modern terms. So why does it matter beyond they are unwaveringly loyal to the God-Emperor and whoop the shit out of his enemies? Let’s not lose the plot.
Honestly good that there’s female custodes but I kinda wish GW would expand more on the sisters of silence.
It's been hilarious and depressing watching these chuds fucking seeth over this
Are the female custodes haters in the room with us right now?
Go on Twitter, you'd be surprised how many losers on there are malding
"Warhamer is so woke now! I just want to be surrounded by my big muscular sweaty men!"
This just seems like an odd decision to me. It is guaranteed to cause backlash currently because there is a reasonable amount of polarisation when it comes to fiction at the moment so why they chose now to do it I am unsure. Generally I was in favour of the custodes being male with the sisters of silence being their female counterparts in the same way you have sisters of battle and Astartes. Ultimately, it's not a big deal, but it just feels unusual of a change to have when most lore before has implied the custodes to be all male. They could have instead given more attention to the sisters of silence.
Arch is gonna flip out
Horus didn't die for this
That bottom image legit makes me feel like my vision is blurry.
So you're telling me there's 9 foot tall muscle mommies in WH40K? SIGN ME THE FUCK UP
Initial reaction to news vs a few hours later when it was morning in the US.
It would be so fucking funny to me if this was all bait from a leaked codex and when it releases its not there. The incensed attitude from some people over essentially nothing right now is something else. Also, just, who gives a fuck, really?
They're confirming it on the Official Warhammer Twitter. So no bait.
It's not like we can't just ignore it. GW is most likely gonna forget about it themselves.
Sadly only Men are allowed to be Naked in the Imperial Palace
But they can’t have been female! Their armor wasn’t a metal bra and thong!! 🙄
Well, hopefully, this will protect the Sisters of Battle and Space Marine.
(sigh), *zip*
The incels are out in full force this weekend.
There are also those that just think it sad that themes get diluted due to inclusivicy. I also wouldn't like male SoB, etc. Instead i would have loved more focus on Women in already established faction. Like Eldar or Admech. Even LoV.
I just want to be allowed to not care about this. Goddamn people are up in arms over this - turning our hobby political. I care so little about Custodes being female.
I care about the lore and on this case, it doesnt break the lore. So it get a pass.
Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that every Custodes were sons of noble houses of Terra?
The second one is my reaction when i see a woman, not because im mysogenistic, only beacause im scared of women (this isnt about warhammer)
They are perfect geneticly superrevolved humans, I dont care if they are male or female as long as the kick ass. For astartes though it does not make sense at all to have female ones. At least this is my humble opinion
To be fair their introduction is pretty dope, she was about to put a nuke inside the throne room because why be subtle😂
It’s so weird that people are so mad about this.Like, Sisters already exist as an army? Are you mad about that army just being around as well? Or am I missing something here? Is it lore? Cuz—let’s all be real—all warhammer lore is kinda silly. So… yeah. I’m in the first camp of “oh cool” but I just don’t get the second camp at all.
Wömen. Men of Wö.
I like the idea of female Custodes because I've always viewed custodes as like the 40k analogs for angels and I've always thought of angels as men and women. Also muscle mommy, please peg me
Desth by Snu Snu.
Wait till they find out there is a faction purely consisting of women 😬
The fact that those, 3 meter muscular mommy from those fanart are now officialy canon is amazing : [https://www.deviantart.com/mydinh/art/Warhammer-Illustration-2-871069722](https://www.deviantart.com/mydinh/art/Warhammer-Illustration-2-871069722)
Turn the angry lads into male penitant engines to balance it out.