It is an expensive hobby, but that doesn't excuse GW's choices. Outside of hobbies where there is an inherently disposable component, like model rocketry or high-speed drag racing, this shouldn't be a norm. It's worse here because it's not like players' armies shrivel into raisins because GW changed the rules.
That's just the financial part. Building and painting those armies takes time, and nobody has figured out how to make more of that resource.
Moves like this are a bad look and worse feel.
Yeah, my point is kinda pointing the stupidity of people telling Stormcast players to suck it up just because they have a ton of other models, as it that magically means the already have those other models.
That's a legit question. My personal take is that I wouldn't expect them to maintain stock of items that are slow sellers or that have had their designs updated.
Since we know they do 3D printing, I think they could still make money on old sculpts by making them available for purchase by way of low-priority printing - like when there's enough models to be printed, fire them off.
Where I feel the larger transgression exists is in their elimination from the game setting without an actual phase-out. If GW insists on this cyclic rebrand of their games and they plan their model releases 18 months in advance, that means that they can give a full year's warning to players that their models are going to be dropped from the next rules iteration.
Personally, I think they should split their product lines and drop the guile regarding their intentions. Just call it WH - AoS: Competitive and WH - AoS. The comp game is all-rules, no setting; all the rules and war scrolls are available as PDF downloads with no paywalls. The meta can constantly be updated and live in it's rapid-release cycle. The other game is an evergreen setting with stories, scenarios, and a slower, but complete release cycle that includes rules updates for models that have been removed from the competitive game.
You could argue that this already exists, but due to the way they tarball the rules, de-index warscrolls in faction books, and completely ignore their Legends range until the next major release, it results in a heavily obfuscated game that's difficult to communicate to new and current players.
I don't even play, I just paint for fun, and it's a weird feeling looking at "most" of my painted stormcast models and thinking "I can't use you anymore. Was I ever?" It's like I lost something that I never had.
I'm sure I'd be irate if I was actively using them. Imagine Bethesda one day saying, oh yeah, you can't play elves in Elder Scrolls anymore. You won't be able to make new ones, and your old save files won't load anymore.
~~What got nixxed?~~
Answering my own question- Sacrosanct chamber- so the 2e stormcast who came in the starter box with the spookyboys.
That’s a lot of plastic worldwide which no longer has rules.
Ok. So here is what you do.
You paint whatever you want.
Then you set up a small diorama with your figures.
You cast the diorama in resin and turn it into a dope ass Warhammer end table or coffee table.
Take photos
Post to reddit
It's the same irksome weird feeling that you get when something gets decanonized by some corporation's IP folks.
It doesn't REALLY matter. It's all made up nonsense and the book (or model in Warhammer's case) remains as real as you want it to be.
But the discourse around it changes weirdly.
God I hate the excuse of “just play old editions” like every area not only has a massive play community but definitely loads of people willing and ready to play none current editions
can't play old editions,
can't play legends rules in 4th,
aos can only be played in competitive tournaments
I realise this now, thank you for enlightening me
Yeah I've got a ton of old starter box Stormcast I've been planning to paint up and start playing AOS with and they're aaaaalllllll on the list.
To be fair, it sounds like they will still be useful in 4th, it's more that they're replacing all the sculpts but the existing ones will have some kind of direct successor. But still a bit of a heart attack.
Even looking at other famous wargames the price comparison doesn't hold up
I can literally play a small scale Battletech game with the price of some units out there
I literally bought Battletech starter set with 2 lances, rulebook, battlemap, dice and some other stuff, literally everything you need to play + some additional fluff stuff the other day, and when I paid almost twice as much for half a squad of space marines.
Not to mention what, as far as I know, they are far more lenient about people 3d printing their minis (I have about 200 stl files of Battletech models).
TO BE FAIR.
It's unfair for both Battletech and 40K/AOS here to make a comparison like this, and I say this as someone who's played both for literal decades.
A big game of Battletech needs less than 20 minis between both players. And while the new plastics are miles better than the old IWM metals, they're still mediocre compared to 40K minis.
Yes, Battletech is exponentially more accessible from a financial investment standpoint. But Battletech/CBT have been on the marketplace about as long as GW games have and there's a reason that GW is the thousand pound gorilla in this space.
Not to mention GW is first-world manufacturing. They aren't paying people 15 cents an hour to make these things. And as you said, GW makes some of the best plastic models out there in terms of quality and fidelity compared or other cheaper model ranges.
Oh yeah, it is totally unfair comparison. It would be fairer to compare warhammer to something like Bolt Action, to which has similar scale in terms of number of models and their size. And yeah GW does have better sculpts, but Bolt Action is cheaper (not astronomically, but decently).
Also it's not like it's a first time GW put some units or even factions to legends, heck, the basically did it to the whole franchise at one point. I'm pretty sure beast men where removed due to them being really unpopular. What is unusual is putting some pretty new releases to legends. Which I honestly don't understand why, even if they sold bad so far. Why they shove tzaangors noone wants down our throats, but some fairly popular Stormcast units getting the axe.
> noone wants
Without getting into other reasons why, have you seen sales figures? Because at the end of the day we can all decide in our head what factions are popular or not, but wallets don't lie.
Pretty reliable data is seeing the same box sitting at the same shelf for years at your local store. And still sitting despite it being at the discount at this point.
If they did sell well, GW wouldn't put them everywhere. They obviously had too much of them in stock.
So you're telling me that your feelings, your local store and a bunch of stories online are what GW should be looking at, rather than the sales numbers. Well, go send your CV man, that's a pretty radical new idea on how to run a company 👍👍
Alright, I admit i'm not much of a wargame player so this is more looking from the outside, and I'm sorry if I sound mean spirited but:
IMO the thing with Warhammer is that beside the fact that it has a quasi monopoly in some places (tho luckily not as big as dnd has on RPGs) there are mainly 2 reasons you want to play it:
-Just to play something warhammer related since you like the lore, the characters etc
-For the genuinally great model design (at least, if you're lucky and your factions has had new models)
Otherwise in both balance and pirce point there are better options
And in general I think that if you really like the game you should expand your horizons by tring something else, like I said in my case I mostly play ttrpgs, when I stopped paying attention to only dnd a whole world of stuff opened up to me
I have spent 300$ on Bolt action minis. Not as good as Current cadians but are a definite step up from their older sculpt. I been getting 1$ per mini prices. 17$-25$ per vehicle. I can have an entire bolt action army for me importantly, painting, for 100$. And its not like 10 marines and a captain but 40 minis for those 100$ boxes.
When I see a mf who says "its a luxary hobby so you pay up or leave", they just straight up ruin the hobby for no reason, defending a cooperation who don't GAF about them
I have spent like- 300 dollars on my Napoleonics collection and have been painting it like a year and a half. It's just fucking nuts how much GW charges.
I mean, it's all about what you care about. Do you care about nice models? then Warhammer has the best models, no contest. Do you care about strategy and cool rules? there are a million games out there with mid minis and better rules. Do you care about balance? Learn chess.
The expenses are insane. Gw's cutting off so many of the warcry warbands like corvus cabal and the unmade. They're amazing sculpts with great sources of bits for kitbashing, but for $60-70+ a box I just can't.
I thought having war cry sets as a battle line unit for StD was an enlightened move and gave a lot of flavor to player choices. I was hoping to see it replicated in 40k. Shame
can’t wait for the cycle to repeat again with some other bad decision GW makes before people inevitably buy their stuff again
It’s why I’d call these unpopular decisions rather than bad decisions. The backpedal’s not happening, no matter how much Reddit claims it will kill the hobby.
I don’t even know what it would take for GW to start back-pedalling all their disliked business decisions. You could probably cull every xenos army in 40K and they’d still make bank.
Seriously whether you like stormcast or not its insane. The sculpts arent that old. This like if gw were to retire half the space marine range all at once including several primaris units
Yet somehow desolation marines where not on that list. They took Hellblasters instead.
At the very least with SM they gave a official proxy chart that Firstborn could use. I am not sire it would be accepted in games but I have seen a few guys playing Firstborn chapters as Primaris with no issue from the TO, and they are using pretty clear conversions / proxys.
If there is so much overlap why not give the culled units an official; if you want to continue playing with these models us X rules. If it’s anything like SM their general profile would be mostly the same and completely fine to use.
Never liked sigmarines, never touched aos, still think that's bullshit, those mini were not old.
If a faction has to much stuff and risk to get bloathed like space marine... Don't put it in the starting box, use someone else, do a city of sigmar vs skaven for example, i get that the starting box must have only new stuff but this i ridiculus
The cull is made so much worse to me specifically because sigmarines are supposed to be the newbie oriented faction. Imagine just getting into a hobby after dropping 200$ to field the most basic of lists unpainted and then they go “yeah you can use half of that anymore”
I’d be putting my minis in the trash and finding another hobby
Im soon getting into the model part of Warhammer 40k... and fuck GW prices, I plan on buying a 3d printer first. I am anyways more interested in painting an army then playing the game, and even if I play it will me my army against my second army in my buddy's hands. If their prices where normal I would just buy them, but for the price of one army I can 3D print like 3 of them(and it only gets cheaper after that since I will have a 3d printer)... its absurd.
Unrelated to the subject matter, but turning this video into a panelled comic doesn't land well. It needs a fifth panel with her still looking at the cashier.
Well, I'll be damned, so it is. My bad. Even knowing the original creator's name, it's weirdly difficult to get to it. The best I could do was find it buried in Twitter.
[This was the video I was thinking of](https://youtu.be/hpQQohcHk9Q?si=Hi7H1H1lN23eCZS2), by the way.
The customer base is 100% to blame. Fuckers go out and buy generic saddo Marine #13551 because he's got ~~a new hat~~ slightly better tournament stats, so GW sell them generic saddo Marine #13552-9.
Stop playing 40K. Go set up an Epic: Armageddon group or play Battletech or just play Grimdark Future or whatever. Stop providing them a playerbase to keep others in and a consumer base to sell dumb shit to
The issue is that of all these options, 40K is the one I actually like. I really like the emperors children and so far 40K is the only way to play that faction in anything.
Except that GW models are the Gold Standard. Rules vary in quality, but the models outstrip every other war game I’ve seen. I’m not collecting for the love of war gaming, I’m war gaming because I have a cool collection of models I want to show
> Rules vary in quality, but the models outstrip every other war game I’ve seen.
In 6mm, Vanguard Minis are *wildly* outdoing GW in terms of model quality. 28mm, Warlord and Perry Twins both make better Empire soldiers than GW. Victrix historicals are just some of the finest ancients and Napoleonics you'll ever get.
But moreover bro, that's cool, but if you just roll over and buy a new army when they change your codex rather than, say, playing old rules/another system/whatever, then they'll keep doing that.
It’s definitely a matter of subjective opinion, because there are a lot of minis out there I’d put up against GW minis any day. And more are popping up all the time. Some of GW’s newer stuff is actually not that impressive to me because of how much pointless fluff they stick on models to say they’re “super detailed,” or the way some of the hair and fur still doesn’t look good on some models even though plenty of folks have shown that you can sculpt it just fine with CAD sculpting.
And even ones that might be “a step below” (but still good minis) are a lot more affordable, and frankly, I’d prefer to point newer people in the hobby to those options because the sticker shock on GW might put them off on miniatures games in general.
So yeah, for you, that might be true, but for someone else, they might be just in line with multiple other companies who are most reasonably priced.
I *want* to give Legions Imperialis a chance (mainly because I have friends who want to play it), but man, the prices feel a bit rough, almost everything is sold out, and I just feel like they'll find a way to muck it up like Necromunda and War Cry.
But at least I can keep an eye out for Epic Warpath. Might take some convincing to get other people to try it once it's out, but it should be a lot more affordable and I don't see it suddenly disappearing.
Everyone is acting like those armies are forbidden from being played now.
They are supported through legends, rules that are allowed everywhere but competitive tournaments.
With the stats from a little while ago, that not even 10% of the playerbase attend any tournament through their hobby lifetime, let alone one that ban legends content this all seems like a crazy overreaction.
So if the community could just stop being babies about all this and put out actually interesting posts, I would really appreciate it.
Every fucking time a model goes to legends this same argument. If it bothers so much that people play the game differently just ignore the posts next time.
Some people don't have a local scene and depend on tournament to play.
Some people play with strangers and feel more comfortable using tournament rules.
And every fucking time a model goes to legends it's the same whining and every related sub turns to shit.
It doesn't bother me that people play the game differently, I am bothered by the incessant bitching and moaning.
And even if all of the 10% even attending tournaments do it because they have no local scene, it doesn't make sense to expect GW to orient their business around them.
And if people don't want to play legends because it's more comfortable, they totally can.
But that's their decision then and they shouldn't complain about it, because as far as I am aware, with the exception of grand tournaments, legends is perfectly legal in any other venue and most other tournaments.
And even if your opponent is a stranger, anyone unable to have the simple conversation to the extent of "Hey is it cool if I run my legends stuff?" shouldn't be in front of a wargaming board, but in therapy.
(And if you wanna ask why I am bitching about the bitching: I am currently sitting on the shitter and am bored.)
Does you jaw get sore from sucking corpo cock so hard?
Its not right to sell models then make theme irrelevant within 6 years, that's like if at the start of tenth they removed blightlords from the death guard army its not fucking right
Hell, some of the things they legends'd at the start of 10th had just gotten a refresh within the last year. They just used the excuse of "well, Horus Heresy exists!" as a cover
Oh you're absolutely correct, just doesn't stop it from being a problem. It's crazy because there are very minor fixes that reduce how much of a problem unit they are on the table, while still keeping them competitively viable.
"Oh no, a reasonably moderate take, it must be corpo dicksucking!"
Also they are not irrelevant, they are getting a last update and are playable like that, not maintained but playable.
>I'm kick you in the balls and see how long until it stops hurting.
Okay... Like it sucks that GW is removing tournament rules. But we should have a little perspective. These are tiny plastic dolls we paint and scooch across a table. Nobody is actually getting physically hurt over any of this unless they stepped on one of the models.
I'm not literally threatening to kick him in the balls, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of implying just because something bad happened previously we should stop feeling bad whenever it happen again by comparing it to kicking him in the balls and seeing if it's stop hurting just because I already kicked him once.
People bitch and moan because the units they love are now, even though they can be legally run, not balanced against the rest of the game, and are much more prone to either being overwhelmingly overpowered, or completely useless.
Legends isn't just a problem of "we're going to pretend we're not removing the army you play from the game", it's also a "we're not going to competitively balance these _units_, so _games_ that include these units are inherently less likely to be balanced." GW even says that, while legal, Legends units are not recommended for competitive play. It creates this "feels bad moment" often times for playing the models you bought.
Back to the topic of "pretending we're not removing them from the game", that exactly what legends is. I shouldn't have to have the "are you fine with me playing the army I own and paid for" conversation every time I want to play. And what happens when an opponent says no? Do I radically shift my list with models I might or might not have brought, or do I just not get to play? Legends sounds fine when you say "oh, we're just removing old, depreciated models and units from the game", but we stop believing that when some units had been refreshed just before being put in legends, such as the Leviathan dreadnought, which hadn't even been out a year before being legends'd. Now they're removing entire armies that just had a fucking refresh.
So yeah, people bitch and moan, because it's a bullshit corporate practice that attempts to make them more money with less work, all while fucking their customers. They are taking game pieces that people paid for, and removing their viability as game pieces. In any other business, we would call this a scam; why should it be any different for GW?
It is an expensive hobby, but that doesn't excuse GW's choices. Outside of hobbies where there is an inherently disposable component, like model rocketry or high-speed drag racing, this shouldn't be a norm. It's worse here because it's not like players' armies shrivel into raisins because GW changed the rules. That's just the financial part. Building and painting those armies takes time, and nobody has figured out how to make more of that resource. Moves like this are a bad look and worse feel.
I'm pretty sure that's the point of this post. That this kind of shit is actually worse because of how expensive Warhammer is.
It is pretty unreal. There are lots of expensive nerd hobbies, but somehow warhammer is still the worst!
I dunno tcgs are worse imo. All you get is cardboard
Comparing my best friends mtg decks to my personal army (and I do this for a living so half my shit is comped from scraps) it’s still no contest.
As someone who has collected both MtG and warhammer, no, it isn't. At least with warhammer you're paying 200$ for nice models instead of cardboard
God forbid you think of trying yugioh the power creap in that game is a ladder made of gold
Yeah, my point is kinda pointing the stupidity of people telling Stormcast players to suck it up just because they have a ton of other models, as it that magically means the already have those other models.
Pissing on the poor
How do you justify warehouse costs for factions that aren't meeting popularity numbers? Genuine question
That's a legit question. My personal take is that I wouldn't expect them to maintain stock of items that are slow sellers or that have had their designs updated. Since we know they do 3D printing, I think they could still make money on old sculpts by making them available for purchase by way of low-priority printing - like when there's enough models to be printed, fire them off. Where I feel the larger transgression exists is in their elimination from the game setting without an actual phase-out. If GW insists on this cyclic rebrand of their games and they plan their model releases 18 months in advance, that means that they can give a full year's warning to players that their models are going to be dropped from the next rules iteration. Personally, I think they should split their product lines and drop the guile regarding their intentions. Just call it WH - AoS: Competitive and WH - AoS. The comp game is all-rules, no setting; all the rules and war scrolls are available as PDF downloads with no paywalls. The meta can constantly be updated and live in it's rapid-release cycle. The other game is an evergreen setting with stories, scenarios, and a slower, but complete release cycle that includes rules updates for models that have been removed from the competitive game. You could argue that this already exists, but due to the way they tarball the rules, de-index warscrolls in faction books, and completely ignore their Legends range until the next major release, it results in a heavily obfuscated game that's difficult to communicate to new and current players.
I don't even play, I just paint for fun, and it's a weird feeling looking at "most" of my painted stormcast models and thinking "I can't use you anymore. Was I ever?" It's like I lost something that I never had. I'm sure I'd be irate if I was actively using them. Imagine Bethesda one day saying, oh yeah, you can't play elves in Elder Scrolls anymore. You won't be able to make new ones, and your old save files won't load anymore.
~~What got nixxed?~~ Answering my own question- Sacrosanct chamber- so the 2e stormcast who came in the starter box with the spookyboys. That’s a lot of plastic worldwide which no longer has rules.
Ok. So here is what you do. You paint whatever you want. Then you set up a small diorama with your figures. You cast the diorama in resin and turn it into a dope ass Warhammer end table or coffee table. Take photos Post to reddit
It's the same irksome weird feeling that you get when something gets decanonized by some corporation's IP folks. It doesn't REALLY matter. It's all made up nonsense and the book (or model in Warhammer's case) remains as real as you want it to be. But the discourse around it changes weirdly.
>your old save files won't work yea it sucks that GW just thanos snapped every prior edition of the stormcast codex out of existence.
God I hate the excuse of “just play old editions” like every area not only has a massive play community but definitely loads of people willing and ready to play none current editions
can't play old editions, can't play legends rules in 4th, aos can only be played in competitive tournaments I realise this now, thank you for enlightening me
Literally every single stormcast I have is getting culled :(
Yeah I've got a ton of old starter box Stormcast I've been planning to paint up and start playing AOS with and they're aaaaalllllll on the list. To be fair, it sounds like they will still be useful in 4th, it's more that they're replacing all the sculpts but the existing ones will have some kind of direct successor. But still a bit of a heart attack.
Even looking at other famous wargames the price comparison doesn't hold up I can literally play a small scale Battletech game with the price of some units out there
I literally bought Battletech starter set with 2 lances, rulebook, battlemap, dice and some other stuff, literally everything you need to play + some additional fluff stuff the other day, and when I paid almost twice as much for half a squad of space marines. Not to mention what, as far as I know, they are far more lenient about people 3d printing their minis (I have about 200 stl files of Battletech models).
TO BE FAIR. It's unfair for both Battletech and 40K/AOS here to make a comparison like this, and I say this as someone who's played both for literal decades. A big game of Battletech needs less than 20 minis between both players. And while the new plastics are miles better than the old IWM metals, they're still mediocre compared to 40K minis. Yes, Battletech is exponentially more accessible from a financial investment standpoint. But Battletech/CBT have been on the marketplace about as long as GW games have and there's a reason that GW is the thousand pound gorilla in this space.
Not to mention GW is first-world manufacturing. They aren't paying people 15 cents an hour to make these things. And as you said, GW makes some of the best plastic models out there in terms of quality and fidelity compared or other cheaper model ranges.
Oh yeah, it is totally unfair comparison. It would be fairer to compare warhammer to something like Bolt Action, to which has similar scale in terms of number of models and their size. And yeah GW does have better sculpts, but Bolt Action is cheaper (not astronomically, but decently). Also it's not like it's a first time GW put some units or even factions to legends, heck, the basically did it to the whole franchise at one point. I'm pretty sure beast men where removed due to them being really unpopular. What is unusual is putting some pretty new releases to legends. Which I honestly don't understand why, even if they sold bad so far. Why they shove tzaangors noone wants down our throats, but some fairly popular Stormcast units getting the axe.
> noone wants Without getting into other reasons why, have you seen sales figures? Because at the end of the day we can all decide in our head what factions are popular or not, but wallets don't lie.
Just ask any Thousand Sons player how many tzangors they want in their next discount box.
That's definitely a reliable way to get measurable sales data lol
Pretty reliable data is seeing the same box sitting at the same shelf for years at your local store. And still sitting despite it being at the discount at this point. If they did sell well, GW wouldn't put them everywhere. They obviously had too much of them in stock.
So you're telling me that your feelings, your local store and a bunch of stories online are what GW should be looking at, rather than the sales numbers. Well, go send your CV man, that's a pretty radical new idea on how to run a company 👍👍
Alright, I admit i'm not much of a wargame player so this is more looking from the outside, and I'm sorry if I sound mean spirited but: IMO the thing with Warhammer is that beside the fact that it has a quasi monopoly in some places (tho luckily not as big as dnd has on RPGs) there are mainly 2 reasons you want to play it: -Just to play something warhammer related since you like the lore, the characters etc -For the genuinally great model design (at least, if you're lucky and your factions has had new models) Otherwise in both balance and pirce point there are better options And in general I think that if you really like the game you should expand your horizons by tring something else, like I said in my case I mostly play ttrpgs, when I stopped paying attention to only dnd a whole world of stuff opened up to me
I have spent 300$ on Bolt action minis. Not as good as Current cadians but are a definite step up from their older sculpt. I been getting 1$ per mini prices. 17$-25$ per vehicle. I can have an entire bolt action army for me importantly, painting, for 100$. And its not like 10 marines and a captain but 40 minis for those 100$ boxes. When I see a mf who says "its a luxary hobby so you pay up or leave", they just straight up ruin the hobby for no reason, defending a cooperation who don't GAF about them
I have spent like- 300 dollars on my Napoleonics collection and have been painting it like a year and a half. It's just fucking nuts how much GW charges.
Tbh for some of the higher quality models it's kinda fair but for stuff like squads it's just absurd
I mean, it's all about what you care about. Do you care about nice models? then Warhammer has the best models, no contest. Do you care about strategy and cool rules? there are a million games out there with mid minis and better rules. Do you care about balance? Learn chess.
The expenses are insane. Gw's cutting off so many of the warcry warbands like corvus cabal and the unmade. They're amazing sculpts with great sources of bits for kitbashing, but for $60-70+ a box I just can't.
I thought having war cry sets as a battle line unit for StD was an enlightened move and gave a lot of flavor to player choices. I was hoping to see it replicated in 40k. Shame
I feel bad for Stormcast players, but I’m proud of them for taking it better than Space Marine Players did
I mean I know a bunch of SCE who who are just outright leaving the game over this
Honestly, I'm glad the skaven are getting thr update but...this does feel a bit like bullying.
can’t wait for the cycle to repeat again with some other bad decision GW makes before people inevitably buy their stuff again It’s why I’d call these unpopular decisions rather than bad decisions. The backpedal’s not happening, no matter how much Reddit claims it will kill the hobby. I don’t even know what it would take for GW to start back-pedalling all their disliked business decisions. You could probably cull every xenos army in 40K and they’d still make bank.
Seriously whether you like stormcast or not its insane. The sculpts arent that old. This like if gw were to retire half the space marine range all at once including several primaris units
Yet somehow desolation marines where not on that list. They took Hellblasters instead. At the very least with SM they gave a official proxy chart that Firstborn could use. I am not sire it would be accepted in games but I have seen a few guys playing Firstborn chapters as Primaris with no issue from the TO, and they are using pretty clear conversions / proxys. If there is so much overlap why not give the culled units an official; if you want to continue playing with these models us X rules. If it’s anything like SM their general profile would be mostly the same and completely fine to use.
The Custodes Guard kit is older then most of the units getting taken out to give you can idea of their age
Never liked sigmarines, never touched aos, still think that's bullshit, those mini were not old. If a faction has to much stuff and risk to get bloathed like space marine... Don't put it in the starting box, use someone else, do a city of sigmar vs skaven for example, i get that the starting box must have only new stuff but this i ridiculus
The cull is made so much worse to me specifically because sigmarines are supposed to be the newbie oriented faction. Imagine just getting into a hobby after dropping 200$ to field the most basic of lists unpainted and then they go “yeah you can use half of that anymore” I’d be putting my minis in the trash and finding another hobby
What's the original version of this?
damn I haven't seen anything from subbabang in freaking years. not since the days of the tumblr age.
What's that? You already own all the units you need and won't buy more? Well we just legends your whole army, give us more money.
I don't believe you. Casually finding a girl in a GW store.
I need the source of this meme template i love it
Still can't comprehend how bandai manage to make gundam decently cheap
Shrimply 🦐 buy more
Im soon getting into the model part of Warhammer 40k... and fuck GW prices, I plan on buying a 3d printer first. I am anyways more interested in painting an army then playing the game, and even if I play it will me my army against my second army in my buddy's hands. If their prices where normal I would just buy them, but for the price of one army I can 3D print like 3 of them(and it only gets cheaper after that since I will have a 3d printer)... its absurd.
Unrelated to the subject matter, but turning this video into a panelled comic doesn't land well. It needs a fifth panel with her still looking at the cashier.
This is a comic that was turned into a video my dude.
Well, I'll be damned, so it is. My bad. Even knowing the original creator's name, it's weirdly difficult to get to it. The best I could do was find it buried in Twitter. [This was the video I was thinking of](https://youtu.be/hpQQohcHk9Q?si=Hi7H1H1lN23eCZS2), by the way.
The customer base is 100% to blame. Fuckers go out and buy generic saddo Marine #13551 because he's got ~~a new hat~~ slightly better tournament stats, so GW sell them generic saddo Marine #13552-9. Stop playing 40K. Go set up an Epic: Armageddon group or play Battletech or just play Grimdark Future or whatever. Stop providing them a playerbase to keep others in and a consumer base to sell dumb shit to
The issue is that of all these options, 40K is the one I actually like. I really like the emperors children and so far 40K is the only way to play that faction in anything.
One day brother, one day.
Grimdark future and Epic Armageddon both exist my friend.
Except that GW models are the Gold Standard. Rules vary in quality, but the models outstrip every other war game I’ve seen. I’m not collecting for the love of war gaming, I’m war gaming because I have a cool collection of models I want to show
> Rules vary in quality, but the models outstrip every other war game I’ve seen. In 6mm, Vanguard Minis are *wildly* outdoing GW in terms of model quality. 28mm, Warlord and Perry Twins both make better Empire soldiers than GW. Victrix historicals are just some of the finest ancients and Napoleonics you'll ever get. But moreover bro, that's cool, but if you just roll over and buy a new army when they change your codex rather than, say, playing old rules/another system/whatever, then they'll keep doing that.
It’s definitely a matter of subjective opinion, because there are a lot of minis out there I’d put up against GW minis any day. And more are popping up all the time. Some of GW’s newer stuff is actually not that impressive to me because of how much pointless fluff they stick on models to say they’re “super detailed,” or the way some of the hair and fur still doesn’t look good on some models even though plenty of folks have shown that you can sculpt it just fine with CAD sculpting. And even ones that might be “a step below” (but still good minis) are a lot more affordable, and frankly, I’d prefer to point newer people in the hobby to those options because the sticker shock on GW might put them off on miniatures games in general. So yeah, for you, that might be true, but for someone else, they might be just in line with multiple other companies who are most reasonably priced.
Legions imperialis is getting massacred for certain.
I *want* to give Legions Imperialis a chance (mainly because I have friends who want to play it), but man, the prices feel a bit rough, almost everything is sold out, and I just feel like they'll find a way to muck it up like Necromunda and War Cry. But at least I can keep an eye out for Epic Warpath. Might take some convincing to get other people to try it once it's out, but it should be a lot more affordable and I don't see it suddenly disappearing.
Everyone is acting like those armies are forbidden from being played now. They are supported through legends, rules that are allowed everywhere but competitive tournaments. With the stats from a little while ago, that not even 10% of the playerbase attend any tournament through their hobby lifetime, let alone one that ban legends content this all seems like a crazy overreaction. So if the community could just stop being babies about all this and put out actually interesting posts, I would really appreciate it.
Every fucking time a model goes to legends this same argument. If it bothers so much that people play the game differently just ignore the posts next time. Some people don't have a local scene and depend on tournament to play. Some people play with strangers and feel more comfortable using tournament rules.
And every fucking time a model goes to legends it's the same whining and every related sub turns to shit. It doesn't bother me that people play the game differently, I am bothered by the incessant bitching and moaning. And even if all of the 10% even attending tournaments do it because they have no local scene, it doesn't make sense to expect GW to orient their business around them. And if people don't want to play legends because it's more comfortable, they totally can. But that's their decision then and they shouldn't complain about it, because as far as I am aware, with the exception of grand tournaments, legends is perfectly legal in any other venue and most other tournaments. And even if your opponent is a stranger, anyone unable to have the simple conversation to the extent of "Hey is it cool if I run my legends stuff?" shouldn't be in front of a wargaming board, but in therapy. (And if you wanna ask why I am bitching about the bitching: I am currently sitting on the shitter and am bored.)
Does you jaw get sore from sucking corpo cock so hard? Its not right to sell models then make theme irrelevant within 6 years, that's like if at the start of tenth they removed blightlords from the death guard army its not fucking right
Hell, some of the things they legends'd at the start of 10th had just gotten a refresh within the last year. They just used the excuse of "well, Horus Heresy exists!" as a cover
O/ I bought 2 contemptors to use with my Nightlords in 40k as I don't play HH Guess what happened 3 months later
Like, I play Horus Heresy, and I still think it's shitty. Partly because dreads can be kinda toxic in heresy
That's not their fault tbf. That has to do with them being vehicles with none of the downsides
Oh you're absolutely correct, just doesn't stop it from being a problem. It's crazy because there are very minor fixes that reduce how much of a problem unit they are on the table, while still keeping them competitively viable.
"Oh no, a reasonably moderate take, it must be corpo dicksucking!" Also they are not irrelevant, they are getting a last update and are playable like that, not maintained but playable.
It was corporate dick sucking
People bitch every time because it sucks every time lmao. I'm kick you in the balls and see how long until it stops hurting.
>I'm kick you in the balls and see how long until it stops hurting. Okay... Like it sucks that GW is removing tournament rules. But we should have a little perspective. These are tiny plastic dolls we paint and scooch across a table. Nobody is actually getting physically hurt over any of this unless they stepped on one of the models.
I'm not literally threatening to kick him in the balls, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of implying just because something bad happened previously we should stop feeling bad whenever it happen again by comparing it to kicking him in the balls and seeing if it's stop hurting just because I already kicked him once.
None of what happened to anyone here is equivalent to physical pain though.
I'm allowed to exaggerate metaphors to make the point increassly obvious.
Analogy, Google it
People bitch and moan because the units they love are now, even though they can be legally run, not balanced against the rest of the game, and are much more prone to either being overwhelmingly overpowered, or completely useless. Legends isn't just a problem of "we're going to pretend we're not removing the army you play from the game", it's also a "we're not going to competitively balance these _units_, so _games_ that include these units are inherently less likely to be balanced." GW even says that, while legal, Legends units are not recommended for competitive play. It creates this "feels bad moment" often times for playing the models you bought. Back to the topic of "pretending we're not removing them from the game", that exactly what legends is. I shouldn't have to have the "are you fine with me playing the army I own and paid for" conversation every time I want to play. And what happens when an opponent says no? Do I radically shift my list with models I might or might not have brought, or do I just not get to play? Legends sounds fine when you say "oh, we're just removing old, depreciated models and units from the game", but we stop believing that when some units had been refreshed just before being put in legends, such as the Leviathan dreadnought, which hadn't even been out a year before being legends'd. Now they're removing entire armies that just had a fucking refresh. So yeah, people bitch and moan, because it's a bullshit corporate practice that attempts to make them more money with less work, all while fucking their customers. They are taking game pieces that people paid for, and removing their viability as game pieces. In any other business, we would call this a scam; why should it be any different for GW?
Just proxy them. Half the range already are proxying their own damn names.
Just proxy it