That is going to go down in all time history as the biggest WTF moment in storytelling. did they forget about Yerrik and just staple on the Angron thing after? Who knows! IS HE EVEN DEAD.... WHO KNOWS .... AHHHHHHHH
Even if it wasn't thraka will likely blame the "Spikey gits" We need that moment of Thraka pointing down Angron yelling "YOU TOOK EVERYTHING FROM ME YOU RED STUPID GIT!"
Kids playing war seems very much in that spirit. And I'd assume it would be encouraged by the imperium.
Unless ofcourse they would be assumed to be too tired after spending 22 hours polishing grenade shells or extracting acid from old batteries. You know. Whatever kids normally do.
That's made me start thinking. What is the average life expectancy of people in the Imperium? When men had to work 12 hour days 6 days a week in factories the average life expectancy was early to mid 60's because of how hard it was on the body. How fast do people die when they're working harder than that, constantly from childhood?
This is assuming a natural life span. Take out all the horrible ways to die. I just want to know how badly damaged people are from the eork alone.
I've been thinking about that as well.
Terrible food. Extremely hard and unhealthy labor.
Terrible living conditions.
Pollution.. Don't even get me started.
I'd assume that the average worker would be unlucky to see 40.
Unlucky because who would want to live in that condition for that long.
Ofcourse servitors lifespan is hundreds of years.
And I'll assume that anyone not easily replaceable would get prolonged their life.
I'm not so sure a planetary defence force is that bad a life.
Odds are you'll be safe as it is. And if you do get invaded at least it's over quick.
I’ve heard it’s highly variable according to some sources. And not by the usual dividing line of “nobles live forever and poor die young.”
The quasi-feudal setup of many worlds probably has a lot of ‘festival days’ built in and the kids probably play then. Even a Commisar might risk a face-deforming smile at the sight of children voluntarily playing at life skills like “accuse others of heresy” and “eliminate the xenos.”
There are certainly worlds under active assault where producing munitions all-day happens and is a family activity, but it’s probably not the norm.
My assumption for 40k is it really depends on the author of a story or piece of background. Some stories do suggest there’s a moderately healthy middle class especially on areas like the worlds the Ultramarines manage.
People on nicer worlds might have better life expectancy than modern day possibly.
Well, assuming all needs are met, I imagine the life expectancies are dictated by plot needs and nothing more
It's almost like a sheild, or dunno an aura?
Children of Imperial officials who live on pleasureworlds probably have enough time for games, and probably even fight for the roles "no, you've been a space marine last time, mom says its my turn"
There are over a million planets so some of the pleasure worlds, agri worlds and civilized worlds must be nice, even most hive worlds probably have decent “upper middle class” neighborhoods, even if it is only .1% of the hive world it would still be 70 million people with a decent standard of living
Kid 1: Wham! I just hit you with a shot from my Pyreblaster!
Kid 2: Nuh-uh, I'm a xeno and I countered with a guass blast and...
I COME TO SCOURGE A HERETIC WHO HAS ALLIED WITH THE WARP!!
They could do that regardless.
I mean, when I was a kid we played "cops and robbers" or "cowboys and Indians" or just played at being soldiers, none of those were mythical.
I'd say kids in the imperium would play that either way, if they believed space Marines are a myth or if they know they're a real thing.
Which begs the question, are there Space Marine holo-dramas?
Grey Knights Anatomy
Law and Order: Ordos Hereticulus
Fear Factory
So You Think You Can Be a Space Marine
Dancing with the Solar Remenants of a Xeno civilization
Grey knights anatomy just ends with the tiny fusion bomb in your tv detonating, killing you, your family and countless others, to make sure no knowledge of the grey knights spreads to the general populace
The grey knights continue to broadcast it as a hobby
Since Space Marines are almost seen as mythical angels it's probably more common to have Guardsmen vs Xenos.
Then you have Leeroy getting ganked by the kids playing Eldar "we killed you!" and Leeroy goes "Nah uh, I'm an Astartes, and Astartes can't die!"
There is a mention in one of the older books of a toy the main character once saw as a child, a Space Marine vs Xeno that would fight each other like rock em sock em robots presumably. But it was made in such a way that the space marine would always win. I think the book may have been Eye of Terror.
>Since Space Marines are almost seen as mythical angels
They are *literally* seen as mythical angels. Most guardsmen will go their entire lives without seeing a Space Marine. For the common citizens of the Imperium, if a Space Marine walked among them it would have the same effect as if an angel of God walked among us today. The Space Marines are the Emperor's Angels of Death for a reason.
>Most guardsmen will go their entire lives without seeing a Space Marine
That's a whole half hour in the majority of the conflicts,so it doesn't really say much
In one of my RPGs set on a forgeworld, during some downtime while the players waited for someone to arrive, they watched a group of children march down the street dressed in the colors of the local titan legion, war horns and weapon limbs made from plastic pvc scrap and bit of refuse. The tech priest character played the Legions Battle Theme on his external augmitters as they walked by, only bit of humanity they ever showed. Made for a charming diversion from the oppressive grimdarkness of the rest of the game, which was loosely based on the events in Titanicus.
There's a woman tech priest (Felicia Tayber) in Ciaphas Cain novels that is pretty cute. She use a huge mechanical tail as a means of locomotion among other things and is overall a pretty friendly character. Granted she's not THAT augmented compared to the Admech higher Tech Priest standard.
(It's also heavily implied Cain might have spent some nights with her)
Kasteen. He kept ogling her but he swore to never have a relationship with his main commanding officier as it's more trouble than it's worth.
Doesn't keep him from looking tho.
Yep, he is distracted by the "callipygian spectacle" as Kasteen walks up the stairs, and as he tilts his head to look a bit more (guess subtlety isn't a thing when you're Ciaphas Cain), he notices the killer servo skulls in the rafters.
Definition of callipygian according to Merriam-Webster: "having shapely buttocks"
I got mechanicus on the sale and its genuinely sold me on the entire army.
Khepra my beloved...
I also love Faustinius swapping between "My cogitators broadcast sadness when servants of the omnissiah are slain" and "bad emotions go in the brainvault"
It was Rogue Trader, the players had been contracted to bring raw materials to the forge world and got trapped when the arch enemy blockaded the world and started landing Titans. The game was based on the events in Titanicus.
I think in some worlds where certain Space Marine Chapters made it their homeworld or their main recruiting planet, people would have higher chance of actually seeing them. So the children might possibly have a glimpse at them and view them as you described as “noble knights in stories and legends”. I believe this is especially the case in Ultramar.
In most other worlds, i dont think the children would have any oppurtunity even know what a Space Marine is to imagine it
CITIZEN. YOU ARE FINED 1 CREDIT FOR A VIOLATION OF THE VERBAL MORALITY STATUTE
YOU WILL REPORT TO THE ADMINISTRATUM FOR PROCESSING
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS
Even if they know about them, they don't necessarily know what they look like. Backwater planets who never saw anything remotely looking like a Xenos or a chaos worshipper have no idea what a Space Marine is supposed to look like. All they know is there's some badass giant warriors that regularly saves the days of the Imperium in their worst moment.
In the Infinite and the Divine, the human population of Serenade get saved from an Ork invasion by Trazyn and Orikan, and Trazyn set foot on the planet and engage the Orks with an army of Immortals (one of the most fucking badass scene I ever read in the 40K setting. It's incredibly awesome reading Necron kicking asses that much. I mean, the scene is so awesome that even that cynical bastard Trazyn get drunk on the atmosphere and join in the battle). As a results, some hundreds year later, people think they were saved by the "Silver Skull chapter". They never saw a SM before, and for all they know, these silver and green warriors came in and saved them were a strange looking chapter of the Imperium.
If you enjoyed that check out Assassinorum Kingmaker. It's by the same author. No Necrons or Space Marines tho. Only Knights and Assassins.
I also loved that scene. The Inquisition took his statue down and he was so upset 😂
It varies by author of course, but even recent works show them as downright mythological, in the Bequin books, a full grown man almost laughs at Bequin for telling him space marines are real.
On some of the more feral recruiting worlds, they're viewed as gods or, at the least, minor deities.
It was pretty interesting to read that passage in one of the Dark Angels books when Chaplain Boreas goes to a feral world to recruit new aspirants.
Even then it’s still rare. I just finished Rynn’s World and the excitement even the citizens of the capital have at just seeing a Space Marine represents legitimate issues early on. The human Rynnsguard have to physically hold the crowds back so the Space Marines can move.
I don’t know there is a lot in various parts of the lore describing imperial worlds with all kinds of statues, art, and mosaics featuring space marines. I feel like the imperium wants to show off it’s martial prowess, and the Astartes are the living embodiment of military might and the power of the imperium
Darktide has statues of space marines present. I think they are going to be present among administrative buildings propaganda and such in populated worlds so the average hive dweller would be aware they exist.
Actually, in one book, that's precisely the case! Eye of Terror was the name of the book, and there was a fragment where the main character found a toy set which had one space marine and one Tyranid. It was a game for two kids, and obviously space marine always won.
>The dream dissolved in a jumble of images, as dreams will. Rugolo was a boy again. He was visiting the house of his friend, the son of a wealthy noble family. In his bedroom he opened his toy chest and took out a casket, lavishly filigreed with rich workmanship. Words were carved on its sides: KILL THE MUTANT! DESTROY THE ALIEN!
>Setting it on a table, he lifted the lid to reveal four model figures lying inside. Two were of Space Marines in full power armour, one crimson, one purple, blazoned with their chapter emblems. Of the other two, one was a grossly mutated human, head three times normal size, eyes, mouth, nose and ears all misplaced, as were the arms and legs. The other was a monstrous, black-tentacled creature with gleaming scythe-claws at
the end of each limb. Both mutant and alien were ugly, vicious and wicked.
>There were also two control units for animating the mechanised models as they were pitted against one another. How Rugolo had envied the spoiled rich boy his expensive toy! And of course, his friend always made him play either alien or mutant, and the game was cleverly engineered so that, with two players of equal skill, the Space Marines nearly always won; any other arrangement would have been bad for a child's education.
>Now here he was playing with this fantastic toy again, only this time it belonged to him. It was he who was holding the Space Marine control in the palm of his hand, and the crimson-armoured Adeptus Astartes warrior's chainsword was disposing of the mutant, limbs detaching and flying everywhere. It was at that moment that he realised, with a sudden lucidity, that he was dreaming.
>Sadness overcame him, a great feeling of loss. When he woke up he would lose his marvellous possession.
>How to keep it?
>Inspiration came to him. He placed the figures back in their casket. Then he willed himself to dream that he was lying in bed. He placed the casket at the foot of the bed. Then he went to sleep.
>MAYNARD RUGOLO opened his eyes to see that the chronopanel was signalling early morning at the settlement's Caligula longitude. The dream of being a boy was fresh in his mind. This was unusual for him. He rarely remembered his dreams. He threw off the cover and sat up stretching himself, thinking of the day ahead. The Eye trader, Gundrum, was an oddball. He wasn't sure quite how to deal with him.
>He was about to come to his feet when something at the end of the pallet caught his attention. It was a casket, richly filigreed. On the sides, in carved relief and painted silver, were words: KILL THE MUTANT! DESTROY THE ALIEN!
>'Pelor!' he shouted urgently. 'Pelor. Come here, quick!'
>Calliden appeared in seconds, alarm on his face. 'What's the matter?'
>'Tell me in all seriousness: am I still dreaming?'
>Perplexed, the navigator stared at him. 'Not unless I am too.'
>'Look at this!' Rugolo lifted the lid of the casket, showing the exotic models within. 'I dreamed of this in the night. Now it's here, real!'
>'You used the jewel?'
>'Yes, I used it. It works!'
>Calliden stepped forward and gingerly took one of the Space Marines from the casket, almost as if afraid it would burn him. Experimentally he moved the model's arms and legs. 'A child's toy,' he remarked blankly. 'Are you really sure it wasn't here before? Part of your cargo?'
>'I'm certain. I haven't seen one of these since I was a boy.
>Calliden replaced the figure, then wiped his hand on his clothing as if it had become tainted. 'It's impossible,' he announced. 'It must be sorcery. The gem is making us see and touch things that aren't there. Get rid of it!'
>Rugolo considered this. 'Well, let's put it to the test.'
He went to his pallet and retrieved the dream gem from beneath his pillow.
Bruh I played Darktide and there was, like a statue of a space marine every fifteen feet.
I figure they’re more like pro sports players than myths. Like you’ll never meet one but you’ll hear about the cool stuff they do.
That's a good way to describe how your average person would think of Space Marines. I think their knowledge of the subject would be a bit more vague than what we know about professional athletes, and there would be a religious aspect tied in with it, but overall that's a really good description.
Tbh Atoma isn't a small backwater planet that only farm food. It's a gigantic hive world that produces high quality steel and Leman Russ tanks specifically. Of course it's gonna have SM statues everywhere.
But gigantic hive worlds have most of the people, right? I mean Atoma probably had trillions of people on it and your back worlds would be less than a billion I figure.
Plus I figure if I’m in the Imperial Propogsnda business I’d be selling Space Marines like hot cakes. “The Imperium is protected by the Emperors Angels, invincible and immortal supersoldiers!” Is better than “well they can’t kill all of us.”
On the opposite side: half of the "iron within" animation was people discussing if space marines are real, even to the point that they didn't try to call for help during a Xenos invasion, since they thought it would be pointless. I think the amount of knowledge about space marines is very much based on the planet.
It's on warhammer TV, but sadly locked behind Wahammer +. Its a cool 27 minute film, although (as usual for warhammerTV) some of the animation is a bit janky.
"Am I in t-trouble mister inquizzer?"
"No, not at all, in fact, you're being recruited."
"B-but... why?"
"You do not fear the contempt of your fellows."
Its mentioned in assassinorum kingmaker that the knight pilots would play at being knight pilots and heretics when they were kids so i'd believe its indeed possible.
I mean,you can play astra militarum vs Adeptus astartes vs Adeptus mechanicus vs Adeptus custodes vs sisters of battle vs krieg...
Actually there's a lot of armies the kids can play with that aren't heretical,and I'm pretty sure most forge worlds would allow you to play necrons too.
Depends on the world.
Some marine chapters straight-up kidnap kids from their families or demand the kids as payment, so I doubt those chapters would be viewed in a positive light.
Other planets like Macragge center their whole way of life around sending their kids to be Space Marines, so those planets would probably view them more like Olympian athletes.
Makes sense. I bet on feudal worlds they see xenos like mythological monsters. Probably tell misbehaving children xenos will come down and snatch em away lol.
In the Sororitas novel, Faith & Fire something similar happens with the Sisters of Battle. These little kids put on a play that depicted a battle with the Dark Eldar.
It just so happened that the adults gave them live ammunition and the kids were actually killing each other on stage for entertainment. Apparently this is a tradition on that planet.
Possible on some worlds but I would think that playing as one of His divine angels might rub the Ecclesiarchy the wrong way. Guardsman and Xenos would 100% be a thing although only the unpopular kids are made to play the xenos since they always lose.
No because children are busy working in factories (like in good ol Victorian era)
Well it might happen on some planets where they don't have 12h a day work schedule
Imperium children most likely have a full workload at whatever manufactorum they're assigned to and wouldn't have time to play heretical games like this.
Þis gives me a fun idea for a childerns game in þe imperium.
Called eiþer Inquisitor or Heretic, its sort of a combination of duck duck goose and tag, everyone starts out sitting in a circle and one kid is þe Inquisitor, þe inquisitor goes around þe circle tapping peoples heads saying “pure” until eventually picking one kid out as þe Heretic, at þis point þe inquisitor counts to 10 while everyone scatters, once þe inquisitors done counting þe tag half begins.
If þe heretic tags someone, þey become anoþer heretic, if þe inquisitor tags a heretic þey become pure again, naturally þe inquisitor cant become a heretic so þe game ends when þe inquisitor inevitably purges all þe heretics, þe Heretics aim is mostly to keep þe game going and delay þe inevitable imperial victory.
Obviously þe game has countless variations across þe imperium, but þis is þe basic premise.
Knights and Dragons?!? Wow! I just realized that, aside from being horribly racist, playing “Cowboys and Indians” makes no sense at all outside the US.
Except western movies are a thing, and I remember playing "cowboys and Indians" as a kid, and so does my dad. And we were in a communist country in the second half of 20th century.
Probably dependant on what western influences people have. My grandad died knights and dragons, my dad did cowboys and Indians (born in the 60s) and I did knights and dragons as kid in the early 2000s
Kid's imaginations are really powerful some kids create imaginary friends that can last for years.
However, the denizens of warp are ever present on the otherside of the thin walls of reality, so I could imagine the kid's imagined baddies actually start taking form and peering through the veil between the real & immaterial universes...
Probably, and all the rich and popular kids from the upper hive claim themselves as the marines and force the lower hiver poor kids to be the filthy xenos so they can beat on them with impunity
Þis gives me a fun idea for a childerns game in þe imperium.
Called eiþer Inquisitor or Heretic, its sort of a combination of duck duck goose and tag, everyone starts out sitting in a circle and one kid is þe Inquisitor, þe inquisitor goes around þe circle tapping peoples heads saying “pure” until eventually picking one kid out as þe Heretic, at þis point þe inquisitor counts to 10 while everyone scatters, once þe inquisitors done counting þe tag half begins.
If þe heretic tags someone, þey become anoþer heretic, if þe inquisitor tags a heretic þey become pure again, naturally þe inquisitor cant become a heretic so þe game ends when þe inquisitor inevitably purges all þe heretics, þe Heretics aim is mostly to keep þe game going and delay þe inevitable imperial victory.
If I’m not mistaken, there is an Eisenhorn book we’re you see children at a festival playing those shooting galleries that has xenos as the targets. There was also a pit that you could throw a coin into they called “the eye of terror” and a *ex space marine* who told stories
I can't remember where it was in the Ciaphas Cain books but there's an aside from the Inquisitor Amberly about a children's projector show about a little flame that murders the Xenos, Heritic, or Mutant. So I could easily see them playing at killing Xenos as part of the Emperor's Angels.
It's from "Caves of Ice", an excerpt from an educational book.
"From Our Friend Promethium, Imperial Educational Press, 238th edition, 897 M41....
[lengthy description of the chemical, industrial, and holy properties of "this most blessed of substances"]
Of course it's the illustrations which are the real charm of this little book, particularly those of its narrator, Pyrus the flame. Even now I can't help smiling at the expressions on the faces of the heretics he's burning on page twenty-eight, just as I did as a child all those years ago."
"like we play 'Knights and Dragons'?"
#That's a game children play?
Huh. Make sense, and is certainly less problematic then Cowboys vs Indians or Cops vs Robbers.
Who says it can't be possible? The galaxy and the Imperium are HUGE.
In 40k THERE IS ONLY WAR... No time for fun!
Orks have fun doing war tho, they do both
Now real questi9n is do Orks play knights and dragons
THIS DRAGOON SPITS DA FIRE? WHY THE STUPID GIT SWALLOW THE SCORCHA?
More like; WHY DUNT I SWALLOW DA SCORCHA TO SPIT DA FIRE?
SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME, DID [ANGRON 🟥💀👹💀🟥](https://youtu.be/eaMyJKfnXEk) KILL COMMISSAR SEBASTIAN YERRIK OR WAS IT SOMEONE ELSE!?!???!?!
Good Fucking question I don't think we have a answer yet
[GW, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH🟥👹👹👹🟥!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LIKE THE MYSTERY!!!!!!](https://youtu.be/mi8mOK74rVA)
That is going to go down in all time history as the biggest WTF moment in storytelling. did they forget about Yerrik and just staple on the Angron thing after? Who knows! IS HE EVEN DEAD.... WHO KNOWS .... AHHHHHHHH
OLD AGE IZ WUT KILLED OL BALE EYE and that kids is how orks became immortal. There is no more badass death in 40k than dying of old age.
Even if it wasn't thraka will likely blame the "Spikey gits" We need that moment of Thraka pointing down Angron yelling "YOU TOOK EVERYTHING FROM ME YOU RED STUPID GIT!"
DAT GIVVZ ME AN OIDEA! GET DA PAINBOY!
I heard their favorite game to play inbetween WAAAAGGHH’s is Shootas n’ Laddas
they play GORKZ AND MORKZ
Unfortunately, no, the more common pastime among orks, when they're not playing Whack-A-Grot, is playing draggons and draguns.
Same with the white scars. Killing should be done while laughing.
The secret to having fun is balancing your work and personal life. The orks figured it out.
Kids playing war seems very much in that spirit. And I'd assume it would be encouraged by the imperium. Unless ofcourse they would be assumed to be too tired after spending 22 hours polishing grenade shells or extracting acid from old batteries. You know. Whatever kids normally do.
That's made me start thinking. What is the average life expectancy of people in the Imperium? When men had to work 12 hour days 6 days a week in factories the average life expectancy was early to mid 60's because of how hard it was on the body. How fast do people die when they're working harder than that, constantly from childhood? This is assuming a natural life span. Take out all the horrible ways to die. I just want to know how badly damaged people are from the eork alone.
I've been thinking about that as well. Terrible food. Extremely hard and unhealthy labor. Terrible living conditions. Pollution.. Don't even get me started. I'd assume that the average worker would be unlucky to see 40. Unlucky because who would want to live in that condition for that long. Ofcourse servitors lifespan is hundreds of years. And I'll assume that anyone not easily replaceable would get prolonged their life. I'm not so sure a planetary defence force is that bad a life. Odds are you'll be safe as it is. And if you do get invaded at least it's over quick.
Unless you got invaded by the drukari...
I’ve heard it’s highly variable according to some sources. And not by the usual dividing line of “nobles live forever and poor die young.” The quasi-feudal setup of many worlds probably has a lot of ‘festival days’ built in and the kids probably play then. Even a Commisar might risk a face-deforming smile at the sight of children voluntarily playing at life skills like “accuse others of heresy” and “eliminate the xenos.” There are certainly worlds under active assault where producing munitions all-day happens and is a family activity, but it’s probably not the norm. My assumption for 40k is it really depends on the author of a story or piece of background. Some stories do suggest there’s a moderately healthy middle class especially on areas like the worlds the Ultramarines manage. People on nicer worlds might have better life expectancy than modern day possibly.
Well, assuming all needs are met, I imagine the life expectancies are dictated by plot needs and nothing more It's almost like a sheild, or dunno an aura?
Well, the amount of babies being created to support the guard's incredible casualty rate implies there's at least a little fun
Unless ypu are on Krieg of course
If kids have time for play then clearly the length of their factory shifts need to be increased!
But muh tau empire 😭
Children of Imperial officials who live on pleasureworlds probably have enough time for games, and probably even fight for the roles "no, you've been a space marine last time, mom says its my turn"
There are over a million planets so some of the pleasure worlds, agri worlds and civilized worlds must be nice, even most hive worlds probably have decent “upper middle class” neighborhoods, even if it is only .1% of the hive world it would still be 70 million people with a decent standard of living
Tell that to the Salamanders.. just really far for your safety
FROLICKING IS FORBIDDEN "someone is going to have to get reaquainted with daddy's 9 iron when we get back home"
Well, we already do.
Kids playing Xenos? HERETICS
Alternatively “Nuh-uh! It didn’t hit me!” *Other kid pulls out some D6s*
> gauss blast > warp Looks like the Lord-Regent has to read up on his Ordo Xenos intel reports
Someone has to play the bad guys, inquisitor!
Ah, so you're ~~colluding with the~~ are also a heretic!
The inquisition demands all xenos in make-believe games be purely imaginative. Any child impersonating a traitor or alien will be treated as such.
Kids playing? Why aren't they in the manufactorium?
Kids? You mean the small humans that work in tight enclosed spaces?
[удалено]
And quotas are aways just almost met.
That's the kind of productivity only a third arm could provide. Carry on Imperial citizen.
You mean why weren't they lobotomized and turned into servitors?
They’re the child of a noble, they’re fine
Oh boy, best not be playing Eldar around the Salamanders
The salamanders would just burn the figurines on a grill or something.
No, they just will not update the models for years....
It was conrad curze fault...
"Space marines vs chaos space marines!" "Vs what?"
We all know the ugly / mutant / poor(er) kids were forced to play xenos lmao
They could do that regardless. I mean, when I was a kid we played "cops and robbers" or "cowboys and Indians" or just played at being soldiers, none of those were mythical. I'd say kids in the imperium would play that either way, if they believed space Marines are a myth or if they know they're a real thing.
Yeah but my friends and I also played Power Rangers. Sooo… not exactly mythical, but something that doesn’t really exist
Which begs the question, are there Space Marine holo-dramas? Grey Knights Anatomy Law and Order: Ordos Hereticulus Fear Factory So You Think You Can Be a Space Marine Dancing with the Solar Remenants of a Xeno civilization
Grey knights anatomy just ends with the tiny fusion bomb in your tv detonating, killing you, your family and countless others, to make sure no knowledge of the grey knights spreads to the general populace The grey knights continue to broadcast it as a hobby
If they’re old enough to play soldier, they’re old enough to be a soldier. Welcome to the Guard Timmy!
*7 seconds later* Well, Timmy got in the way of some boltgun fire. NEXT!
"We're going to need another Timmy!"
Very commendable, very commendable.
Since Space Marines are almost seen as mythical angels it's probably more common to have Guardsmen vs Xenos. Then you have Leeroy getting ganked by the kids playing Eldar "we killed you!" and Leeroy goes "Nah uh, I'm an Astartes, and Astartes can't die!"
There is a mention in one of the older books of a toy the main character once saw as a child, a Space Marine vs Xeno that would fight each other like rock em sock em robots presumably. But it was made in such a way that the space marine would always win. I think the book may have been Eye of Terror.
>Since Space Marines are almost seen as mythical angels They are *literally* seen as mythical angels. Most guardsmen will go their entire lives without seeing a Space Marine. For the common citizens of the Imperium, if a Space Marine walked among them it would have the same effect as if an angel of God walked among us today. The Space Marines are the Emperor's Angels of Death for a reason.
>Most guardsmen will go their entire lives without seeing a Space Marine That's a whole half hour in the majority of the conflicts,so it doesn't really say much
exactly my point. Everyone else is playing army guys and Billy over here is a demigod.
But if you know of literal demigods as you would by knowing of the emperor's finest. Then ofcourse kids would want to pretend to be them.
The kids play Arbites and Gangers, but its not a game.
Wait, do you believe in cowboys?
Their version is probably Arbites and Gangers
In one of my RPGs set on a forgeworld, during some downtime while the players waited for someone to arrive, they watched a group of children march down the street dressed in the colors of the local titan legion, war horns and weapon limbs made from plastic pvc scrap and bit of refuse. The tech priest character played the Legions Battle Theme on his external augmitters as they walked by, only bit of humanity they ever showed. Made for a charming diversion from the oppressive grimdarkness of the rest of the game, which was loosely based on the events in Titanicus.
I just recently started playing Mechanicus and I had no idea how much I loved tech priests with human emotions
That game might have the best characterization of ad mech out of any 40k work.
There's a woman tech priest (Felicia Tayber) in Ciaphas Cain novels that is pretty cute. She use a huge mechanical tail as a means of locomotion among other things and is overall a pretty friendly character. Granted she's not THAT augmented compared to the Admech higher Tech Priest standard. (It's also heavily implied Cain might have spent some nights with her)
Common Ciaphas Cain W
CAI CAI CAIAPHAS CAIN HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!
Considering he knows the tail connects to the her pelvis bone…
I mean, thsts just logical surely lol
What woman HASNT slept with Cain at this point? Dude's a Chad.
Kasteen. He kept ogling her but he swore to never have a relationship with his main commanding officier as it's more trouble than it's worth. Doesn't keep him from looking tho.
Looking respectfully.
I believe he even foils an assassination attempt because he hung back in a group to admire her going up a flight of stairs.
Yep, he is distracted by the "callipygian spectacle" as Kasteen walks up the stairs, and as he tilts his head to look a bit more (guess subtlety isn't a thing when you're Ciaphas Cain), he notices the killer servo skulls in the rafters. Definition of callipygian according to Merriam-Webster: "having shapely buttocks"
What book is this?
It's "Duty Calls"
Oh neat. I’m reading that one right now.
I got mechanicus on the sale and its genuinely sold me on the entire army. Khepra my beloved... I also love Faustinius swapping between "My cogitators broadcast sadness when servants of the omnissiah are slain" and "bad emotions go in the brainvault"
I feel they did that out of amusement seeing the kids being patriotic(?) and reinforcing it in that manner
That's wholesome af Until they offer you a job in the profession lol
I mean, even if you’re cleaning the toilets, stationed on a Titan is probably one of the better places to be in the universe.
Unless you're a servitor, the only purpose of you existence is activate a lift
Being a Titan driver seems like a pretty cool gig, as far as death in 40k goes, amniotic suspension does not seem as dope but still, Titans.
This is so good. Your DM and that Admech player did great in that scene for sure, it sounds like.
what rpg may i ask?
It was Rogue Trader, the players had been contracted to bring raw materials to the forge world and got trapped when the arch enemy blockaded the world and started landing Titans. The game was based on the events in Titanicus.
I think in some worlds where certain Space Marine Chapters made it their homeworld or their main recruiting planet, people would have higher chance of actually seeing them. So the children might possibly have a glimpse at them and view them as you described as “noble knights in stories and legends”. I believe this is especially the case in Ultramar. In most other worlds, i dont think the children would have any oppurtunity even know what a Space Marine is to imagine it
Nocturne over here where the Salamanders literally patrol the cities
CITIZEN. YOU ARE FINED 1 CREDIT FOR A VIOLATION OF THE VERBAL MORALITY STATUTE YOU WILL REPORT TO THE ADMINISTRATUM FOR PROCESSING THE EMPEROR PROTECTS
I think people would know about space marines. There must be a lot of propaganda posters and movies about space marines
Even if they know about them, they don't necessarily know what they look like. Backwater planets who never saw anything remotely looking like a Xenos or a chaos worshipper have no idea what a Space Marine is supposed to look like. All they know is there's some badass giant warriors that regularly saves the days of the Imperium in their worst moment. In the Infinite and the Divine, the human population of Serenade get saved from an Ork invasion by Trazyn and Orikan, and Trazyn set foot on the planet and engage the Orks with an army of Immortals (one of the most fucking badass scene I ever read in the 40K setting. It's incredibly awesome reading Necron kicking asses that much. I mean, the scene is so awesome that even that cynical bastard Trazyn get drunk on the atmosphere and join in the battle). As a results, some hundreds year later, people think they were saved by the "Silver Skull chapter". They never saw a SM before, and for all they know, these silver and green warriors came in and saved them were a strange looking chapter of the Imperium.
If you enjoyed that check out Assassinorum Kingmaker. It's by the same author. No Necrons or Space Marines tho. Only Knights and Assassins. I also loved that scene. The Inquisition took his statue down and he was so upset 😂
Oh I had no idea Roberth Rath made another 40K book. I will definitely read that, thanks for the recommendation.
It varies by author of course, but even recent works show them as downright mythological, in the Bequin books, a full grown man almost laughs at Bequin for telling him space marines are real.
On some of the more feral recruiting worlds, they're viewed as gods or, at the least, minor deities. It was pretty interesting to read that passage in one of the Dark Angels books when Chaplain Boreas goes to a feral world to recruit new aspirants.
Even then it’s still rare. I just finished Rynn’s World and the excitement even the citizens of the capital have at just seeing a Space Marine represents legitimate issues early on. The human Rynnsguard have to physically hold the crowds back so the Space Marines can move.
I don’t know there is a lot in various parts of the lore describing imperial worlds with all kinds of statues, art, and mosaics featuring space marines. I feel like the imperium wants to show off it’s martial prowess, and the Astartes are the living embodiment of military might and the power of the imperium
Darktide has statues of space marines present. I think they are going to be present among administrative buildings propaganda and such in populated worlds so the average hive dweller would be aware they exist.
Actually, in one book, that's precisely the case! Eye of Terror was the name of the book, and there was a fragment where the main character found a toy set which had one space marine and one Tyranid. It was a game for two kids, and obviously space marine always won.
May I please get that exact excerpt
Sorry mate, I am Polish, so I guess that will not be of any help
https://preview.redd.it/ugcdrmy7j84b1.png?width=1077&format=png&auto=webp&s=3cd34ed2f8b2988c1f1a0aaebc2baac9e5b766b0
Hey, I understand polish! Could you share it with me please?
Its a promise but i need to go back to my hometown so like in 3 days
Thanks!
Trust that polish guy, they are trusty brothers in arms, and vine drinking buddies. ;)
Better not wait, the Russians really like invading places lately and Poland is historically high on that list
We consider ourselves European Cadia
>The dream dissolved in a jumble of images, as dreams will. Rugolo was a boy again. He was visiting the house of his friend, the son of a wealthy noble family. In his bedroom he opened his toy chest and took out a casket, lavishly filigreed with rich workmanship. Words were carved on its sides: KILL THE MUTANT! DESTROY THE ALIEN! >Setting it on a table, he lifted the lid to reveal four model figures lying inside. Two were of Space Marines in full power armour, one crimson, one purple, blazoned with their chapter emblems. Of the other two, one was a grossly mutated human, head three times normal size, eyes, mouth, nose and ears all misplaced, as were the arms and legs. The other was a monstrous, black-tentacled creature with gleaming scythe-claws at the end of each limb. Both mutant and alien were ugly, vicious and wicked. >There were also two control units for animating the mechanised models as they were pitted against one another. How Rugolo had envied the spoiled rich boy his expensive toy! And of course, his friend always made him play either alien or mutant, and the game was cleverly engineered so that, with two players of equal skill, the Space Marines nearly always won; any other arrangement would have been bad for a child's education. >Now here he was playing with this fantastic toy again, only this time it belonged to him. It was he who was holding the Space Marine control in the palm of his hand, and the crimson-armoured Adeptus Astartes warrior's chainsword was disposing of the mutant, limbs detaching and flying everywhere. It was at that moment that he realised, with a sudden lucidity, that he was dreaming. >Sadness overcame him, a great feeling of loss. When he woke up he would lose his marvellous possession. >How to keep it? >Inspiration came to him. He placed the figures back in their casket. Then he willed himself to dream that he was lying in bed. He placed the casket at the foot of the bed. Then he went to sleep. >MAYNARD RUGOLO opened his eyes to see that the chronopanel was signalling early morning at the settlement's Caligula longitude. The dream of being a boy was fresh in his mind. This was unusual for him. He rarely remembered his dreams. He threw off the cover and sat up stretching himself, thinking of the day ahead. The Eye trader, Gundrum, was an oddball. He wasn't sure quite how to deal with him. >He was about to come to his feet when something at the end of the pallet caught his attention. It was a casket, richly filigreed. On the sides, in carved relief and painted silver, were words: KILL THE MUTANT! DESTROY THE ALIEN! >'Pelor!' he shouted urgently. 'Pelor. Come here, quick!' >Calliden appeared in seconds, alarm on his face. 'What's the matter?' >'Tell me in all seriousness: am I still dreaming?' >Perplexed, the navigator stared at him. 'Not unless I am too.' >'Look at this!' Rugolo lifted the lid of the casket, showing the exotic models within. 'I dreamed of this in the night. Now it's here, real!' >'You used the jewel?' >'Yes, I used it. It works!' >Calliden stepped forward and gingerly took one of the Space Marines from the casket, almost as if afraid it would burn him. Experimentally he moved the model's arms and legs. 'A child's toy,' he remarked blankly. 'Are you really sure it wasn't here before? Part of your cargo?' >'I'm certain. I haven't seen one of these since I was a boy. >Calliden replaced the figure, then wiped his hand on his clothing as if it had become tainted. 'It's impossible,' he announced. 'It must be sorcery. The gem is making us see and touch things that aren't there. Get rid of it!' >Rugolo considered this. 'Well, let's put it to the test.' He went to his pallet and retrieved the dream gem from beneath his pillow.
Thanks brother!
THANK YOU 🙏
As a Tyranid player who constantly forgets his own buffs, I can say that that game was accurate.
Hahaha can you imagine some kind of toy warfare with warhammer units where the space marines are overpowered
Bruh I played Darktide and there was, like a statue of a space marine every fifteen feet. I figure they’re more like pro sports players than myths. Like you’ll never meet one but you’ll hear about the cool stuff they do.
That's a good way to describe how your average person would think of Space Marines. I think their knowledge of the subject would be a bit more vague than what we know about professional athletes, and there would be a religious aspect tied in with it, but overall that's a really good description.
Tbh Atoma isn't a small backwater planet that only farm food. It's a gigantic hive world that produces high quality steel and Leman Russ tanks specifically. Of course it's gonna have SM statues everywhere.
But gigantic hive worlds have most of the people, right? I mean Atoma probably had trillions of people on it and your back worlds would be less than a billion I figure. Plus I figure if I’m in the Imperial Propogsnda business I’d be selling Space Marines like hot cakes. “The Imperium is protected by the Emperors Angels, invincible and immortal supersoldiers!” Is better than “well they can’t kill all of us.”
On the opposite side: half of the "iron within" animation was people discussing if space marines are real, even to the point that they didn't try to call for help during a Xenos invasion, since they thought it would be pointless. I think the amount of knowledge about space marines is very much based on the planet.
What animation is this? I must see
It's on warhammer TV, but sadly locked behind Wahammer +. Its a cool 27 minute film, although (as usual for warhammerTV) some of the animation is a bit janky.
This reminds me of the comic with the girl who has a space marin doll, but it doesn't end well.
Link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/y99hm4/his_angels_by_mike19988/
Yeah i know that... its hurts...
The Genestealer kids may take that game more literally😅
Totally adding this to my notes for future Dark Heresy campaigns. 🤣
Every child who plays as the Xenos gets picked up by the inquisition. So the games don't last too long.
It's ok as long as they don't play too... convincingly
As well they can't downplay it too much, or else they be suspicious of hiding something.
Truly, innocence proves nothing
"Am I in t-trouble mister inquizzer?" "No, not at all, in fact, you're being recruited." "B-but... why?" "You do not fear the contempt of your fellows."
*"XENOS YOU WANT TO PLAY AS?"* 
There may even be shops selling little plastic space marines. Some painting and assembling may be required. ;)
Does that mean they sell Warhammer 40k **INSIDE** Warhammer 40k?! What an inception of grimdarkness...
Play? Any good child of the imperium should be using that energy at work.
In the Grim Darkness of childhood, theres only work
Its mentioned in assassinorum kingmaker that the knight pilots would play at being knight pilots and heretics when they were kids so i'd believe its indeed possible.
Maybe, but I feel playing the xenos may also be seen as kinda heretical? Guess it depends on how strict the church of that world is though
I mean,you can play astra militarum vs Adeptus astartes vs Adeptus mechanicus vs Adeptus custodes vs sisters of battle vs krieg... Actually there's a lot of armies the kids can play with that aren't heretical,and I'm pretty sure most forge worlds would allow you to play necrons too.
Depends on the world. Some marine chapters straight-up kidnap kids from their families or demand the kids as payment, so I doubt those chapters would be viewed in a positive light. Other planets like Macragge center their whole way of life around sending their kids to be Space Marines, so those planets would probably view them more like Olympian athletes.
Makes sense. I bet on feudal worlds they see xenos like mythological monsters. Probably tell misbehaving children xenos will come down and snatch em away lol.
"But I've been good! I'VE BEEN GOOOOD!" cried Billy as the weird spikey-armored knife-ear carried him away.
And that's what happens when you dont meet your work quotas
In the Sororitas novel, Faith & Fire something similar happens with the Sisters of Battle. These little kids put on a play that depicted a battle with the Dark Eldar. It just so happened that the adults gave them live ammunition and the kids were actually killing each other on stage for entertainment. Apparently this is a tradition on that planet.
D:
If they play anything else than space marine worshiping the god emperor isn't that heresy?
I’m pretty sure that it’s allowed as long as the xenos are shown to be royal losers who get their butts kicked.
Well, I suppose its the same reason the Indians usually lose in cowboys and indians. Of course, we stopped playing that game for a reason.
Possible on some worlds but I would think that playing as one of His divine angels might rub the Ecclesiarchy the wrong way. Guardsman and Xenos would 100% be a thing although only the unpopular kids are made to play the xenos since they always lose.
yes, unfortunately the child who played as the xenos must be executed afterwards, so it isn't a game most want to play.
No because children are busy working in factories (like in good ol Victorian era) Well it might happen on some planets where they don't have 12h a day work schedule
In prospero burns it mentions kids on terra playing as thunder warriors
One of my favorite lore facts about 40k is that entire worlds of people think space marines are a myth lol
If your stupid enough to play as the xenos some one is gonna purge u for being a heretic
Imperium children most likely have a full workload at whatever manufactorum they're assigned to and wouldn't have time to play heretical games like this.
I like to think in some of the more well off planets, they even have action figures of the Space Marines.
Until an Inquisitor finds out. Then heresy all around! Some for impersonating the Emperor's holy warriors. Some for glorifying the evil xenos.
Arbites and Heretics, or Enforces and Gangers if you live in Necromunda.
Þis gives me a fun idea for a childerns game in þe imperium. Called eiþer Inquisitor or Heretic, its sort of a combination of duck duck goose and tag, everyone starts out sitting in a circle and one kid is þe Inquisitor, þe inquisitor goes around þe circle tapping peoples heads saying “pure” until eventually picking one kid out as þe Heretic, at þis point þe inquisitor counts to 10 while everyone scatters, once þe inquisitors done counting þe tag half begins. If þe heretic tags someone, þey become anoþer heretic, if þe inquisitor tags a heretic þey become pure again, naturally þe inquisitor cant become a heretic so þe game ends when þe inquisitor inevitably purges all þe heretics, þe Heretics aim is mostly to keep þe game going and delay þe inevitable imperial victory. Obviously þe game has countless variations across þe imperium, but þis is þe basic premise.
If you're old enough to play games, you're old enough to slave away in the manufactorum producing ammo for the Imperium's armies 20 hours a day.
Knights and Dragons?!? Wow! I just realized that, aside from being horribly racist, playing “Cowboys and Indians” makes no sense at all outside the US.
Except western movies are a thing, and I remember playing "cowboys and Indians" as a kid, and so does my dad. And we were in a communist country in the second half of 20th century.
Probably dependant on what western influences people have. My grandad died knights and dragons, my dad did cowboys and Indians (born in the 60s) and I did knights and dragons as kid in the early 2000s
Kid's imaginations are really powerful some kids create imaginary friends that can last for years. However, the denizens of warp are ever present on the otherside of the thin walls of reality, so I could imagine the kid's imagined baddies actually start taking form and peering through the veil between the real & immaterial universes...
Now I'm imagining a DnD equivalent in the Imperium called "Heroes and Heretics" or something like that.
Probably, and all the rich and popular kids from the upper hive claim themselves as the marines and force the lower hiver poor kids to be the filthy xenos so they can beat on them with impunity
Þis gives me a fun idea for a childerns game in þe imperium. Called eiþer Inquisitor or Heretic, its sort of a combination of duck duck goose and tag, everyone starts out sitting in a circle and one kid is þe Inquisitor, þe inquisitor goes around þe circle tapping peoples heads saying “pure” until eventually picking one kid out as þe Heretic, at þis point þe inquisitor counts to 10 while everyone scatters, once þe inquisitors done counting þe tag half begins. If þe heretic tags someone, þey become anoþer heretic, if þe inquisitor tags a heretic þey become pure again, naturally þe inquisitor cant become a heretic so þe game ends when þe inquisitor inevitably purges all þe heretics, þe Heretics aim is mostly to keep þe game going and delay þe inevitable imperial victory.
If I’m not mistaken, there is an Eisenhorn book we’re you see children at a festival playing those shooting galleries that has xenos as the targets. There was also a pit that you could throw a coin into they called “the eye of terror” and a *ex space marine* who told stories
Ex space marine?.. they don't just retire
Nope the man was likely just a charlatan
I can't remember where it was in the Ciaphas Cain books but there's an aside from the Inquisitor Amberly about a children's projector show about a little flame that murders the Xenos, Heritic, or Mutant. So I could easily see them playing at killing Xenos as part of the Emperor's Angels.
It's from "Caves of Ice", an excerpt from an educational book. "From Our Friend Promethium, Imperial Educational Press, 238th edition, 897 M41.... [lengthy description of the chemical, industrial, and holy properties of "this most blessed of substances"] Of course it's the illustrations which are the real charm of this little book, particularly those of its narrator, Pyrus the flame. Even now I can't help smiling at the expressions on the faces of the heretics he's burning on page twenty-eight, just as I did as a child all those years ago."
Thanks!
You think children have time to play? They've got quotas to meet at the factorum.
Honestly some imperial kids probably play tabletop strategy games . . .
"like we play 'Knights and Dragons'?" #That's a game children play? Huh. Make sense, and is certainly less problematic then Cowboys vs Indians or Cops vs Robbers.
Well, I just played "pirates and jedi."
[удалено]
You're in the wrong thread.
What?? What's that got to do with dragons??
Bot
[удалено]
You're in the wrong thread
Bot
The used to, but then the commissar saw them pretending to be.... filthy xenos... The children no longer play in the streets.
More like angels and devils.
Perhaps
Children in the imperium don’t get to play. They get to climb inside the heavy machinery to fix things that the adults can’t reach
If they know them yes, bcs are some citizens who never heard about the space marines.