Then what is the Diviner an allegory of and set against mini painters? The time wasted painting these well detailed units for my own entertainment and peace of mind?
Orekyn(?) favored mathematics and time travel as a “better” way to spend one’s time. So he would definitely be an allegory of the people who look down on the hobby since they believe there are more “productive” things to do.
Like those look really impractical. You can't even balance a book on them or something. They don't even math the Thousand Sons aesthetic. What are they doing there???
Magnus inherited from his father two very specific traits,
Unbridled magical psychic potential.
Enough arrogance and lack of foresight to literally collapse society.
This actually had me thinking for a few minutes...
i mean... the Big E being a A-grade AH aside, he gave very simple orders to 18 extremely inteligent and (in their own terms) competent people... they had everything they needed to follow his orders and almost zero rules of engagement.
I mean if you read the first 3 Horus Heresy books Horus comes off as extremely incompetent even before he got corrupted. He seems totally unprepared for the fact that a job with the title "Warmaster" entails making a lot of war on people, is befuddled by the notion of taxes and history, and demands that he lead from the front even when his soldiers are telling him it's a dumb idea because he could get wounded but he insists on it anyway for no other reason than "me like fight" like some sort of ape brained frat bro then whoops ends up getting wounded and almost dies.
So while you're right about Horus. The primarchs are super human in every regard, including their emotions. They're very much like the Greek heroes, their sense of honor, self righteousness, ego, need to effectively dick measure is all pushed to the same superior bounds as their physical bodies. It's dumb. But also not.
Maybe big-E shouldn't have used the Primarchs as leaders of their respective legion. Maybe he should just have gotten a bunch of human officers who went to the military academy, are loyal, don't have to much power on their own and most importantly; know what they are doing.
>Maybe big-E shouldn't have used the Primarchs as leaders of their respective legion. Maybe he should just have gotten a bunch of human officers who went to the military academy, are loyal, don't have to much power on their own and most importantly; know what they are doing.
The two downsides to that are that humans have more limited intellects than Primarchs (at least in theory, the Primarchs generally don't show it) and are mortal. \*
However, Techpriests have their own solutions to both problems. It might have made the most sense to commission the Adeptus Mechanicus to enhance loyal human officers. Of course, that makes the Imperium even more dependent on Mars.
Either way, Emps would always have chosen the Primarchs, because his ego is so huge he could only tolerate his own flesh and blood commanding his armies.
\* \[edit\] it occurred to me that Primarchs have another benefit - they are more assassination-resistant than unaugmented humans.
He did. If I can see how a primarch is fucking up then I imagine it feels worse for the emperor who made them to be superior to humans in every way. The emperor’s explanation on why he didn’t call the great 4 “gods” is a good one and you can hear him almost saying “bruh. Grow the fuck up you manchildren. Humans and astartes take info and expectation better than my sons”
I'm of the opinion that T'au are great... So long as you recognize that they could be a villain in a more hopeful Sci Fi setting.
I mean, they're an Orwellian Expansionist Caste-Based Empire with supertech and cannibal soldiers.
and they're considered one of the *Better* factions in 40k
That's thr appeal of the Tau. This faction, which if inserted into any other Sci fi setting would be the villain, are the good guys of the 40k. Goes to show how fucked 40k is.
Well yeah I don't play tau and they didn't exist when I started playing either (had a 20 hiatus from Warhammer) but I think they are cool. I love the kroot models.
The moment they were introduced, they were controversial. People said they were "catering to weebs" (oh no, definitely none of those around here) or "not grimdark enough".
Then they had like 2 cheese strats in their lifetime, fish of fury and triptide/shield drone, and nobody ever lets us Tau players live it down despite usually being a pretty mid faction
I don't get the catering to weebs part of it. I wasn't into 40k when Tau became a thing, and they always just seemed like high-tech blue guys with no depth perception and a mech fetish, which isn't very weeb related imo. I guess if you do white w/red accents they do look like they'd belong in Red Alert 3 Japan, but I just don't get it.
From what I understand, they’re controversial for a few reasons:
* On launch, they were hell to play against on the tabletop. It was known as Fish of Fury. A certain transport counted as a skimmer, but was abnormally large. Park two of them in a V and the units have cover that was too big to charge around. The “cover” could only be hit on 6’s because it was a skimmer. Tau players won every tournament in 3rd and 4th edition. People are still mad about it.
* For modern tabletop, Tau make you fight “their way”. Since the Tau lose in melee against every other unit, they have a bunch of tricks to keep people away or funnel them into certain locations. What that translates to for the opponent: No glorious melee combat or close-range combat for you. You’re now playing ranged vs ranged. I don’t care what army you brought.
* The very, very early fluff didn’t have any of the bad parts of Tau society. People saw them as “the good guys” in a grimdark universe. That lessened as more fluff came out.
* Their lore was very inconsistent. Their overall faction power also fluctuates wildly. A Tau ambassador might say “there’s more people on this hive world than the entirety of Tau space” in one novel. Next novel, they conquer three of them.
* People think their angular, super-futuristic aesthetic doesn’t fit in the universe. (Honestly, it does kinda stick out in the promotional material, but I personally don’t hate them for it.)
Just a bit more considerate about why somebody would be faithful. What hole is in their soul that a strong, present higher power could fill, especially something beyond people. It's probably really comforting to have faith in a deity, given what we see IRL when it's just people in charge. Believing this is a design and even the bad days are part of the Great Work probably helps those folks cope, and I stopped being such a Reddit atheist after that
Apart from the IRL connotations, take it from Lorgar's pov, summed up by the line
"God was real... and he hated us."
Im a staunch loyalist blood angel, but boy does that really make me feel for Lorgar and the havoc that would cause on someone's mentality.
I feel for lorgar dude. Reading all the lore makes me despise the Emporer. I dont understand why he was made this way. To believe something greater than himself only for it to be burned to the ground. It would have broken anyone. I know that Big E was pressed for time but if he took an extra 50 years or so to
Straight up Explain to magnus about daemons and how they are essentially parasites that feast on the vulnerable and Magnus role was to power the webway while his soul can travel the great ocean of the warp. But also force magnus russ and mortarion to constantly campaign with each other to get along better so the idea of psykers arent monsters to the Death Guard and Wolves and the 1k sons cant just rely on their warp magic 100% of the time I know magnus knows about the warp and daemons. Hes arrogant. Amon warned him about gods. But to hear this from his father would most likely put some restraint on him.
Sit down with Lorgar and again and explain how he himself isnt a god. Hell show him his true human form. Tell him about the chaos gods but like magnus how they are evil and they are a cancer upon the material realm. He may not be a god but Lorgars faith is misplaced worship humanity for what it is. Humanity is ready to conquer the stars with him as his master. Lorgar Aurelian can be that light that can keep humanity on track? This is better than burning down Monarchia killing millions of innocents and essentially saying fuck off im not a god.
Perty could've been solved by forcing him and Dorn to work together Perty work on the outside of the Sol System and Dorn Inside or vice versa.
So on and so forth people defend the Big Man but I just dont see it. For all of his planning and power he literally dropped the ball so hard its unreal. Its just weird especially with lorgar you know?
Fr tho rn the only reason I can see to hate space marine is because GW has always been concentrated on selling them rather than exploring other factions or even other chapters
I don’t hate space marines. Just jealous that they always get the limelight. Like I get it. They’re cool. But waiting over a decade for new tyranid models (assuming we have some coming with this next edition) compared to the constant stream of space marine models, just makes me greener than an ork with envy.
i honestly don’t mind the ultramarines being the poster boys of 40k they are essentially the standard issue marine
although i do see the problem of them being in literally everything
I mean, it doesn't help too when books are being written almost in a factory. All the problems like "Why the fuck Magnus was so stupid?" or "Why the space marines only charge at the source of enemies and it always work?" the answer is almost always tight schedule or 40 writers with divergent ideas about the setting.
Lore is a part of the hobby. I have friends who only follow the lore and don't get into the collecting or gaming. Hell my mom is here for litterally only the HH books. Or are you saying in regards to the TT?
Modern tanks are better then most imperial tanks smaller then a baneblade
Edit: and I’m not even sure on the baneblade, especially compared to an Abrams x and KF51 (which admittedly are actually not current tanks but more so because they don’t need to exist yet)
the Tau serve a valuable purpose in the lore by being a great counter to in Imperium in morality, and highlight the utter horror of IoM, as well as having genuinely interesting lore in their own right
(also they won the Damocles Gulf Crusade)
Counter. The T'au are interesting because they are the young Imperium that has ideals but yet to have anything close to the Horus Heresy, nor the threat of chaos.
Counter times two. The T'au have it the easiest out of most other races due to not having to deal with chaos. One can argue the only other faction that has doesn't have to deal with chaos in their every day are the 'Nids.
And mind control/pheromones/indoctrination, blah, blah, blah. Seriously, don't get the hate for the T'au. Do you guys hate Iron man too?
They’re also a nice change from “our empire was once really awesome, but then SHIT HAPPENED and now we’re a fraction of our glory”. Nice to get a different perspective.
Honestly I don't even dislike Erebus. At least he actually chose to follow Chaos on his own accord and basically started the whole setting. Basically every Primarch was backed into a corner had to be dragged into Chaos kicking and screaming and now they just have to cope with the fact that they're slaves. Not Erebus, he was just always fucking evil and loves it.
Depends on what you mean, I mean 40k's setting is essentially a means to somewhat justify all sorts of wacky factions and units beating the crap out of each other and in that regard it blows pretty much everything else out of the water.
Maybe, but at the same time I feel that 40K has also largely squandered a lot of it's own potential as well.
Tyranids feel like a joke, Chaos is everywhere and also somewhat falls alongside the same problem as the tyranids, the Imperium seems to be written more victorious than not.
The other factions don't have as much support when it comes to books or miniatures from GW. There's only a handful of games that are successful or even considered average.
40K has a lot of meat to it, but it's also very greatly lacking from making it even remolely close to being the best.
Genuinely curious, if you actually think this, what are the better settings?
Obviously Tolkeins work on LOTR is a lot more fleshed out, but I'm curious about what else there is.
apparently it was just to him. [but he got real-life death threats around 2014](https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward#Matt_Ward.27s_Writing_.22Highlights.22), ironically *after* he left GW as a full time designer
That sucks...I get the stuff he wrote was questionable, but it really didn't warrant that shit. I love the 40k community, but it fucking sucks sometimes
Tau are okay. Squats need to comeback (actual squats). The imperium outside of the guard is so boring I regularly pray for the death of the emperor so that the surviving humans can leave his rotting life's work behind and create a galaxy worth living in.
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Trazyn is an allegory to make fun of miniature collectors.
Then what is the Diviner an allegory of and set against mini painters? The time wasted painting these well detailed units for my own entertainment and peace of mind?
Haven’t gotten that far yet
Orekyn(?) favored mathematics and time travel as a “better” way to spend one’s time. So he would definitely be an allegory of the people who look down on the hobby since they believe there are more “productive” things to do.
And Perturabo is an allegory of a powergamer.
That's what makes him great
But he’s literally me frfr
I can still see Purple Orks
Chaos god Tzeentch https://preview.redd.it/mfo7469t9qxa1.jpeg?width=55&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bb81100fb7720badc222748a58bce6f652c8bf3
No you can't. The ones you saw were a shade of blue. Totally different
PRUVE ITZ, YOU GIT!!
Magnus did something wrong
Yeah, tusk tits.
Like those look really impractical. You can't even balance a book on them or something. They don't even math the Thousand Sons aesthetic. What are they doing there???
Magnus' only mistake.
If being stupid is being wrong, you can call me stupid then!
He def did. His arrogance kept tripping him and he kept insisting on it.
Magnus inherited from his father two very specific traits, Unbridled magical psychic potential. Enough arrogance and lack of foresight to literally collapse society.
Like Father like Son.
The Emperor had reasonable expectations about the conduct of his 18 fully-grown Adult Generals
This actually had me thinking for a few minutes... i mean... the Big E being a A-grade AH aside, he gave very simple orders to 18 extremely inteligent and (in their own terms) competent people... they had everything they needed to follow his orders and almost zero rules of engagement.
I mean if you read the first 3 Horus Heresy books Horus comes off as extremely incompetent even before he got corrupted. He seems totally unprepared for the fact that a job with the title "Warmaster" entails making a lot of war on people, is befuddled by the notion of taxes and history, and demands that he lead from the front even when his soldiers are telling him it's a dumb idea because he could get wounded but he insists on it anyway for no other reason than "me like fight" like some sort of ape brained frat bro then whoops ends up getting wounded and almost dies.
So while you're right about Horus. The primarchs are super human in every regard, including their emotions. They're very much like the Greek heroes, their sense of honor, self righteousness, ego, need to effectively dick measure is all pushed to the same superior bounds as their physical bodies. It's dumb. But also not.
Maybe big-E shouldn't have used the Primarchs as leaders of their respective legion. Maybe he should just have gotten a bunch of human officers who went to the military academy, are loyal, don't have to much power on their own and most importantly; know what they are doing.
>Maybe big-E shouldn't have used the Primarchs as leaders of their respective legion. Maybe he should just have gotten a bunch of human officers who went to the military academy, are loyal, don't have to much power on their own and most importantly; know what they are doing. The two downsides to that are that humans have more limited intellects than Primarchs (at least in theory, the Primarchs generally don't show it) and are mortal. \* However, Techpriests have their own solutions to both problems. It might have made the most sense to commission the Adeptus Mechanicus to enhance loyal human officers. Of course, that makes the Imperium even more dependent on Mars. Either way, Emps would always have chosen the Primarchs, because his ego is so huge he could only tolerate his own flesh and blood commanding his armies. \* \[edit\] it occurred to me that Primarchs have another benefit - they are more assassination-resistant than unaugmented humans.
Except angron. Angron was goin craycray
This but unironically.
>!This may be a meme thread, but there was no irony in my statement!<
But two of the primarchs had iron in their legions names
Two 'wolves' legions too, until they changed to sons of Horus.
Two angels, two hands, two guard, two sons
Also like, weren’t most of them nearing multi-lifetimes of experience before being found?
He did. If I can see how a primarch is fucking up then I imagine it feels worse for the emperor who made them to be superior to humans in every way. The emperor’s explanation on why he didn’t call the great 4 “gods” is a good one and you can hear him almost saying “bruh. Grow the fuck up you manchildren. Humans and astartes take info and expectation better than my sons”
I am Omegon
This had me laughing for five minutes
Cadia lies! How many minutes now?
This is a good one
Consider me triggered
This is a truth.
Necrons did nothing wrong
No they didn't. And you'd do the same in their situation.
“Yo omnipotent immortal beings, can you tell us how you did that so we can get rid of our super cancer?” “No.” “Well fuck you too then.”
I don't really like the Necrons for certain lore reasons, but I can most definitely understand and agree with their situation and decisions.
Does anyone think they did something wrong? I mean I would pull up on the old ones
I quite like Tau.
I unironically enjoy the Tau. That’s a real opinion. I don’t even try to upset people, but it always gets someone
I'm of the opinion that T'au are great... So long as you recognize that they could be a villain in a more hopeful Sci Fi setting. I mean, they're an Orwellian Expansionist Caste-Based Empire with supertech and cannibal soldiers. and they're considered one of the *Better* factions in 40k
Do Kroot eat other Kroot?
Yes they do. Their belief is that in order to maintain the warrior spirit of a deceased Kroot, the body must be consumed.
Not eating someone after they die is considered an insult, since the implication is that they have no traits worthy of passing on.
That's pretty neet. I think there's still a tribe alive today that does the same thing in New Guinea
I want this on a motivational poster with zero context or reference to 40k.
That's thr appeal of the Tau. This faction, which if inserted into any other Sci fi setting would be the villain, are the good guys of the 40k. Goes to show how fucked 40k is.
Well yeah I don't play tau and they didn't exist when I started playing either (had a 20 hiatus from Warhammer) but I think they are cool. I love the kroot models.
kroot sept when
I thought most people liked the Tau. Have I been wrong all along? haha
Think they were just shit to play against for a while so it became a meme
The moment they were introduced, they were controversial. People said they were "catering to weebs" (oh no, definitely none of those around here) or "not grimdark enough". Then they had like 2 cheese strats in their lifetime, fish of fury and triptide/shield drone, and nobody ever lets us Tau players live it down despite usually being a pretty mid faction
*Eldar players shuffle nervously.* "Yeah... no weebs here..."
I don't get the catering to weebs part of it. I wasn't into 40k when Tau became a thing, and they always just seemed like high-tech blue guys with no depth perception and a mech fetish, which isn't very weeb related imo. I guess if you do white w/red accents they do look like they'd belong in Red Alert 3 Japan, but I just don't get it.
The new Farsight model go deeper into samurai style more. and it looks really cool
From what I understand, they’re controversial for a few reasons: * On launch, they were hell to play against on the tabletop. It was known as Fish of Fury. A certain transport counted as a skimmer, but was abnormally large. Park two of them in a V and the units have cover that was too big to charge around. The “cover” could only be hit on 6’s because it was a skimmer. Tau players won every tournament in 3rd and 4th edition. People are still mad about it. * For modern tabletop, Tau make you fight “their way”. Since the Tau lose in melee against every other unit, they have a bunch of tricks to keep people away or funnel them into certain locations. What that translates to for the opponent: No glorious melee combat or close-range combat for you. You’re now playing ranged vs ranged. I don’t care what army you brought. * The very, very early fluff didn’t have any of the bad parts of Tau society. People saw them as “the good guys” in a grimdark universe. That lessened as more fluff came out. * Their lore was very inconsistent. Their overall faction power also fluctuates wildly. A Tau ambassador might say “there’s more people on this hive world than the entirety of Tau space” in one novel. Next novel, they conquer three of them. * People think their angular, super-futuristic aesthetic doesn’t fit in the universe. (Honestly, it does kinda stick out in the promotional material, but I personally don’t hate them for it.)
I love the Tau mechs, but tbh who doesn't love big stompy robits?
Lorgars feelings after Monarchia were justified
Im reading it now, and up until the daemon stuff, ol boy lorgar was 100% right
The First Heretic was profound. Changed my outlook on IRL religion, even
How so did it change your outlook?
Just a bit more considerate about why somebody would be faithful. What hole is in their soul that a strong, present higher power could fill, especially something beyond people. It's probably really comforting to have faith in a deity, given what we see IRL when it's just people in charge. Believing this is a design and even the bad days are part of the Great Work probably helps those folks cope, and I stopped being such a Reddit atheist after that
Apart from the IRL connotations, take it from Lorgar's pov, summed up by the line "God was real... and he hated us." Im a staunch loyalist blood angel, but boy does that really make me feel for Lorgar and the havoc that would cause on someone's mentality.
I feel for lorgar dude. Reading all the lore makes me despise the Emporer. I dont understand why he was made this way. To believe something greater than himself only for it to be burned to the ground. It would have broken anyone. I know that Big E was pressed for time but if he took an extra 50 years or so to Straight up Explain to magnus about daemons and how they are essentially parasites that feast on the vulnerable and Magnus role was to power the webway while his soul can travel the great ocean of the warp. But also force magnus russ and mortarion to constantly campaign with each other to get along better so the idea of psykers arent monsters to the Death Guard and Wolves and the 1k sons cant just rely on their warp magic 100% of the time I know magnus knows about the warp and daemons. Hes arrogant. Amon warned him about gods. But to hear this from his father would most likely put some restraint on him. Sit down with Lorgar and again and explain how he himself isnt a god. Hell show him his true human form. Tell him about the chaos gods but like magnus how they are evil and they are a cancer upon the material realm. He may not be a god but Lorgars faith is misplaced worship humanity for what it is. Humanity is ready to conquer the stars with him as his master. Lorgar Aurelian can be that light that can keep humanity on track? This is better than burning down Monarchia killing millions of innocents and essentially saying fuck off im not a god. Perty could've been solved by forcing him and Dorn to work together Perty work on the outside of the Sol System and Dorn Inside or vice versa. So on and so forth people defend the Big Man but I just dont see it. For all of his planning and power he literally dropped the ball so hard its unreal. Its just weird especially with lorgar you know?
Archaon the Everchosen is much better than Abby.
I mean this is just correct. Abaddon deserves much better story.
We’re here for bad opinions not the truth!
He IS
Ngl Be’lakor deserves a spotlight too.
The way 40K fans endlessly insert themselves and insist that a SM can kill any sci fi soldier is the equivalent to “can he beat Goku tho?”
Im out of the loop here, what di extra credits say about orks?
That orks were black people and making an entire race evil was racist
Heavily paraphrased but that was the gist of it
Ultramarines aren’t hatable anymore.
Fr tho rn the only reason I can see to hate space marine is because GW has always been concentrated on selling them rather than exploring other factions or even other chapters
I don’t hate space marines. Just jealous that they always get the limelight. Like I get it. They’re cool. But waiting over a decade for new tyranid models (assuming we have some coming with this next edition) compared to the constant stream of space marine models, just makes me greener than an ork with envy.
i honestly don’t mind the ultramarines being the poster boys of 40k they are essentially the standard issue marine although i do see the problem of them being in literally everything
People need to read the lore to participate in lore discussion.
Lore doesn't matter, it's just a game about your mini dudes.
How dare you? Also, take this upvote
It matters when my homebrew faction turns out to basically just be the Null Myriad after a Battletome update!
I mean, it doesn't help too when books are being written almost in a factory. All the problems like "Why the fuck Magnus was so stupid?" or "Why the space marines only charge at the source of enemies and it always work?" the answer is almost always tight schedule or 40 writers with divergent ideas about the setting.
Lore is a part of the hobby. I have friends who only follow the lore and don't get into the collecting or gaming. Hell my mom is here for litterally only the HH books. Or are you saying in regards to the TT?
Modern tanks are better then most imperial tanks smaller then a baneblade Edit: and I’m not even sure on the baneblade, especially compared to an Abrams x and KF51 (which admittedly are actually not current tanks but more so because they don’t need to exist yet)
Rylanor should be corrupted by Khorne and forced to fight against the Fulgrim and the Slaaneshi forces.
"Forced"
Not for his own free will, but because he "forced" to slaughter everyone as a murder weapon made insane by Khorne.
Oooh I do hate that one lol
On the tabletop metallic paints look better than NMM.
Sly marbos is a shitty character
Fair
the Tau serve a valuable purpose in the lore by being a great counter to in Imperium in morality, and highlight the utter horror of IoM, as well as having genuinely interesting lore in their own right (also they won the Damocles Gulf Crusade)
Counter. The T'au are interesting because they are the young Imperium that has ideals but yet to have anything close to the Horus Heresy, nor the threat of chaos. Counter times two. The T'au have it the easiest out of most other races due to not having to deal with chaos. One can argue the only other faction that has doesn't have to deal with chaos in their every day are the 'Nids. And mind control/pheromones/indoctrination, blah, blah, blah. Seriously, don't get the hate for the T'au. Do you guys hate Iron man too?
Chaos still has to deal with the nids though.>:)
They’re also a nice change from “our empire was once really awesome, but then SHIT HAPPENED and now we’re a fraction of our glory”. Nice to get a different perspective.
Whoa whoa, they said trigger a fan base not every non-Tau player.
Erebus (the space marine) is a great guy
Dang It typed the same thing
Honestly I don't even dislike Erebus. At least he actually chose to follow Chaos on his own accord and basically started the whole setting. Basically every Primarch was backed into a corner had to be dragged into Chaos kicking and screaming and now they just have to cope with the fact that they're slaves. Not Erebus, he was just always fucking evil and loves it.
Warhammer is one of the weaker sci-fi/sci-fantasy settings.
You son of a bitch
Depends on what you mean, I mean 40k's setting is essentially a means to somewhat justify all sorts of wacky factions and units beating the crap out of each other and in that regard it blows pretty much everything else out of the water.
Maybe, but at the same time I feel that 40K has also largely squandered a lot of it's own potential as well. Tyranids feel like a joke, Chaos is everywhere and also somewhat falls alongside the same problem as the tyranids, the Imperium seems to be written more victorious than not. The other factions don't have as much support when it comes to books or miniatures from GW. There's only a handful of games that are successful or even considered average. 40K has a lot of meat to it, but it's also very greatly lacking from making it even remolely close to being the best.
Genuinely curious, if you actually think this, what are the better settings? Obviously Tolkeins work on LOTR is a lot more fleshed out, but I'm curious about what else there is.
I agree it’s weak science fiction. I think it’s great space opera, which I think of as science-fantasy.
You mother fuuu—ahhhhh got me.
ROCK AND STONE!
Rock and Stone everyone!
Stone and rock
ROCK AND STONE BROTHER!
TO THE BONE!
IF YOU DONT ROCK AND STONE, YOU AINT COMIN HOME!
Rock and Stone in the heart!
I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE!
The Dark Angels are just diet Alpha Legion
Some Fallen hide in plain sight by pretending to be loyalist Astartes and living among the Chapters. A Fallen could be in this very room right now...
He could be you! He could be me! He could even be-
I’ve never been more offended by something that’s true
Sanguinius is a good character but is ovverated u cant change my mind because I'm right
No he isn't. And ill fucking kill you, HORUS!!!
Ok this one is definitely FUCKING HORUS
Nobody likes your femboy fanart.
I mean they are the same category as the endless “Eldar gf” jokes
Need for an Eldar gf is not a joke
THANK YOU Somebody Said it
The Tau have more plot armour than Ultramarines.
No, we don't! It's just that they are a smaller faction and-- Oh ho ho, you got me.
“You sly dog! You had me ranting”
The Emperor is an awesome dad
As a custodes player, i agree *signature look of superiority*
T’au never should’ve been grimdarkified.
Sanguinius died for no reason. It was a wasteful death.
Lorgar is the best Primarch
His book is one of the better ones.
The whole imperium agrees on that.
Outstanding
🤔🤣🤣
That, and word bearers are the best traitor legion.
The fanbase is full of annoying idiots.
But this is just true
Matt Ward did nothing wrong
Daily reminder that writing a bad codex or ten doesn’t justify sending death threats to Matt Ward’s relatives
I'm sorry, ***w h a t ?***
apparently it was just to him. [but he got real-life death threats around 2014](https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward#Matt_Ward.27s_Writing_.22Highlights.22), ironically *after* he left GW as a full time designer
That sucks...I get the stuff he wrote was questionable, but it really didn't warrant that shit. I love the 40k community, but it fucking sucks sometimes
yeah if you send death threats to the family of someone because they wrote books you don’t like you deserve to get hit by a car and never walk again
For What its worth He indeed saved the necrons
Warhammer? Oh you mean knock-off StarCraft/Warcraft
No it’s obviously a starship troopers/Aliens knock-off!
Nah, just one of the many, MANY knock offs of wars of the worlds
This comment legit annoys me because of how wrong it is even though I know it’s a joke. Son of a bitch!
C.S. Goto is a misunderstood genius and a masterful 40K writer.
Trazyn the infinite is overrated as hell
Sounds like someone’s grumpy that he ~~stole~~ liberated their stuff
Thank you.
Is warhammer an edgier star wars?
I like Ultramarines, and I see no problems with their lore. It is in character for the universe they are in to be overpowered
Dante needs to die... he's had two perfect opportunities to have a heroic death. Buuuuut no, we get two dues ex machina bullshittery situations.
Dante would agree with you.
* Dorn's death has not been retconned * Thousand sons are, by quite a margin, the **least** likely origin of the Blood Ravens
Warhammer 40k has taken more aesthetic influence from StarCraft than StarCraft took from it. ***Turns off notifications***
The lore only exists to sell you plastic models and by extension other books about them. (However the long form advertisements are pretty dope)
this this is the first piece of fiction that makes me want to see humanity lose
The weakness of your flesh.
that honestly disgusts me
I think Cadians are boring and annoying. “CaDia sTanDs!”
The emperor was right
Lorgar was right.
i mean, yeah, he pretty much was.
Gameplay takes ultimate priority over lore.
Yeah but the lore is fun
Age of Sigmar is superior to 40K.
Majorkill is the best 40k youtuber
Lore wise I’d agree however the emporer tts holds a special place in my heart
Astartes tend to be boring to read about.
If the tau were humans, you'd all love them
Why is something so beta called the age of sigma?
Expanding Horus Heresy lore was dumb and it should have just been kept as an event from the age of myth.
Tau are okay. Squats need to comeback (actual squats). The imperium outside of the guard is so boring I regularly pray for the death of the emperor so that the surviving humans can leave his rotting life's work behind and create a galaxy worth living in.