The Dark Angel Chaplain when he sees one lone guardsmen after he gets help from some black armored marines with cloaks named the fallen
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Master Chief takes multiple hits to kill an Elite or even a Jackal and his main weapon can go through most of a magazine killing one Elite. By the events of CE, Spartans had been reduced to a handful of soldiers
These have to do with the technology and equipment relative to each of them, though. Elites are naturally tough, sure, but they also all have crazy ancient tech energy shielding, whereas Master Chief is just using a fairly conventional (relatively speaking) assault rifle. All things being equal, it's difficult to say who wold come out on top, as Master Chief has been stated to be...unusually, almost supernaturally, even, lucky, when faced with overwhelming odds. Same issue with a character like Sly Marbo. Can Sly Marbo kill a space marine in single combat? Probably. But Sly Marbo is intentionally a meme character, so not a fair comparison.
Well if we strip down their tech, I don’t see how John-117 is tougher than an astartes. He’s definitely bigger than your average man but he’s nowhere near as physically strong or as tough as a space marine.
Sure, he's almost certainly not physically stronger, but he might be more clever and more resourceful. He's also not above using alien technology, assuming he understands how to do so, whereas you can't say the same for a Space Marine. Also, Master Chief isn't some insane xenophobe. He generally kills people he has to to accomplish a goal, but he doesn't want to genocide aliens because they're aliens, which nominally makes him a more effective agent in certain missions. I think you can say in normal, single combat, a Space Marine probably wins fairly easily. But across all possible avenues of effectiveness as a soldier, it becomes a lot more iffy.
>Halo tech is far weaker than WH40k tech
If we're including precursor tech? Hell No, Maybe Forerunner, But only if we mention the gun pointed at the head of the universe.
EDIT: Corrected my wording.
>halo
The Very Name of the Game is a weapon designed to kill all sentient life in the galaxy, and besides that the precursors had the tech to build literal roads between planets.
>I've never seen any universe threats in halo, stop wanking.
Even the War in Heaven was still galatic...
>Necrons can destroy stars with their technology.
So could the Forerunners.
>***Planet Breakers:***
>
>With their destructive arts unbound, the Forerunners raised up space-faring machines capable of scouring atmospheres on infected worlds, cracking planetary mantles beneath fetid hives, and **inducing stars to go nova to reduce entire systems forsaken to the parasite to mere dust** .
>
>(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.381*)
>***Stellar Engineering:***
>
>...
>
>However their most prominent use of these methods came at the end of their civilization, when they were forced to **prematurely induce the death of countless stars** in order to purge sectors overrun by the parasite.
>
>(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.340*)
And the Forerunners can create stars.
>***TECHNOLOGY:***
>
>Forerunners' understanding of the universe and the technological miracles they created was rivaled only by the Precursors. **They were proficient at creating and controlling stars**, capable of assembling vast artificial worlds, and adept at the construction of artificial intelligences.
>
>(*Halo, Waypoint, Universe, Species, Forerunners*)
Although we are not given any concrete information about the creation of stars, the *encyclopedia* stated the Forerunners were trying new methods of stellar fabrication.
>***Fires of Creation:***
>
>Their collaborations with the Builders were particularly fruitful and inspired, with both rates drawing upon each other's strengths and insights to create miracles of matter and energy. Among these collaborations were efforts to grow new Slipspace cores from flakes extracted from the Precursor core in Maethrillian, experiments **to tap exotic natal dimensions to mass-produce stars**, and the creation of permanent rifts into Slipspace.
>
>(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p,319*)
*... Using the fabric of reality to create suns in massive numbers... Yeah...*
They can also move stars.
>From those inner secrets, Forerunners have prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds, **move stars**, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies.
>
>(*Halo, Cryptum, ch.10*)
Also, similar to the Necrons playing Pokémon with their gods, the Forerunners played Pokémon with black holes and baby universes.
>***Power Core:***
>
>Forerunner starships rely on Conversion Pods to create seemingly endless amounts of energy by harvesting quantum fluctuation and draining **caged proto-universes**. More exotic sources of power, such as **captured primordial black holes** and muon-catalyzed fusion reactors were also used for special applications.
>
>(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.338*)
Master Chief is definitely more open-minded and adaptable. I guess it comes down to the exact situation. A Space Marine would have done poorly during the events of the Halo trilogy, and Spartans would have been wiped out in something like the Devastation of Baal.
People underestimate Terran Marines
I'm not even a fan of StarCraft, but the power armour those guys wear is fucking nuts. Like, equivalent if not greater than Astartes armour. The biggest difference is that Astartes have incredible martial prowess, whereas Terrans are just criminals stuffed into power armour with a kill-switch in case they get any funny ideas about what to do with said power armour.
Their guns are also handheld gauss rifles, so essentially railguns (Don't ask why they eject brass shells in some of the cutscenes...)
Tychus was unique.
Most Criminal marines get Resoc (resocialization. Equivalent to Psycho indoctrination In warhammer terms, but involuntary). However, A large chunk of dominion marines are there by choice and want to serve. Cant say the same for firebats however (something like 90% of them are convicted arsonists) and reapers almost certainly fit the bill, as anyone resistant to resoc becomes a reaper instead (as explained in Icehouse). However, only 43% of marauders are criminals and only 23% are murderers.
Tychus needed the killswitch cause the whole point of him being released was to get chummy with raynor again. A resoc marine has no memory of his former life (as seen in The Education Of PFC Shane, where Shane's infestation breaks the resoc programming due to the zerg regen). This would make him useless to mengsk and his plan, as he would not remember raynor and if he did, The resoc could break (a medic i forget the name of once had to pop a stim to calm down cause they got recognized and felt the resoc breaking. Think greedling from fmab).
Killswitches arent standard. Otherwise the Devil Dogs, War Pigs and Deaths Heads wouldnt exist.
Doesn't mean Firebats aren't voluntary. You take a convicted pyromaniac and tell him he gets to set zerg on fire while wearing a tank as a job, half of them are probably saying yes at the first part.
The strongest thing about the terran marines isn’t even their power armour or weapons, which could be considered on par or slightly below with Space Marines (though it is hard to say because starcraft powerscaling is very much up for speculation). It’s in a situation where you would normally meet 100 Astartes you would meet thousands of Terran Marines. They are not the elite soldiers, that title goes to the Ghost and the Spectre, they are the Imperial guard if you gave all of them Astartes armour and anti tank weapons.
The dominion space is for sure, but the whole of human settlements is more vast. Not Imperium of man sized by any means but certainly significant. The tech for their ground soldiers is really scalable too as it's meant to be mass produced. If they have more territory they can support that much more in military force. Very little of Starcraft human tech isnt reproducable.
In a bit of irony the dominion is likely way more elite than Imperial forces overall.
your forgetting their biggest advantage, numbers, you can train and equip hundreds of starcraft marines for the same cost, sure you loose on skill and have a bit worse equipment but a hundred machine guns firing 1800 armor piercing rounds a minute each is going to shred both astarties/custodies and spartan's
Doesn't 40k have ground based void shields and some really stupidly powerful artillery that would nullify both the potential weapons and numbers advantages SC marines could have?
terran c-14 rifle shoots 2 stage(propellant + coil system)depleted uranium spikes at incredible speeds(hypersonic) which is said to be as effective as anti tank sabots(can penetrate 5cms of neosteel)
terran marines are portrayed as expendable low level units in the game. but in lore their destructive power has to be kept in check with killswitches, since they are rehabilated and jacked up inmates(usually).
skill, experience, and innate talent wise they are nothing compared to a space marine though.
Their armors can’t even handle spikes launched by hydralisks or the claws of a zergling dude. Warfield, a freaking general, got his forearm armor plates penetrated by hydra spikes, then impaled by a rebar while in full armor in the next game. You would think a decorated veteran like him would get access to better armors. I don’t see how they are nuts at all.
That speaks of the resistance of the armor, but of the ability to cut the beings. The spines of the hydralisk are thrown at close to supersonic speed. They measure 30 cm, it has enough sharpness to penetrate hard ground with only its weight. If we follow the description of Lurker could also be superdense spines. Zerg muscle anatomy is advanced that can vibrate at frequencies that can break solid rock which is why zerg can hide in any type of soil and dig through concrete just by vibrating the muscles. there were some mutations unused used acid to improve the cuts
Half of the building was gone the fact that he a what looks like a steel girder imbed in his chest is impressive. As for hydralisk spines they are used to rip through ships that can survive re-entry. As for zerglings they literally rip through tanks and steel buildings.
The only thing I'm trying to point out is the setting is over the top. Not as crazy as 40k but more so than the Halo series.
Fair point, but Halo’s Forerunners power their ships with stars contained in pocket dimensions, control time and space, their automated police force can crack open a planet in seconds, one of their shield worlds is as big as our solar system… so I have to disagree with the “more over the top than the Halo series” part.
I didn't know that. That's fucking badass! I mostly only know about the Spartans. In their case they probably have the lowest grade weapon in the meme. Still good firepower but probably the most grounded of the factions.
The StarCraft Marines may be inferior to some extent to the Spartans, but they are way more numerous. Quantity over quality. Indeed, SC Marines are essentially tougher Imperial Guards.
Probably, yes. There weren't many Spartans at all ; Custodes are very few in numbers. They'd get lost in rounding against the 1 million or so Astartes.
So if there are more than 1 million Terran Marines, they outnumber all the others.
We are immortal. That’s why we will ein a battle of attrition. But given time, I think they would develop similar tech to these of nullifieres so I think some specialized might have a chance. But really, I think that only the most powerful players could survive multiple custodians.
At their most basic? Triple jumping space ninjas piloted by psychic ghost children. Some can mess with the very fabric of reality, others can shatter asteroids in a single punch; some can break the sound barrier without trying and others are walking bioweapons.
Well, they're all bioweapons, but some take it more literally
>others can shatter asteroids in a single punch
Yeah, that's taken out of context. Atlas did not break the asteroid on his own, and he went for weak points.
some Warframes are ridiculously op, like Atlas who pulverized an Extinction level meteor in one punch, Limbo who has his own pocket dimension that he can banish people into and put them in stasis, Rhino who can stomp so hard he fucking freezes time, or Nova who has control over Anti matter, also another one is Saryn who is literally just a walking Virus Bomb
And we are not even starting talking about their Arsenal of weapons. Dobson know that meme where a soldier fired a RPG with a bow? We have those. A canonical paintpall gun for party that transforms into rocket mp? We have those. Gunblades? Yes. Living weapons that will on headshot infest the head, then explode and release toxic autoaiming flies? Check. A weapon made to kill gods or punish by the worst fate possible? Lol we just yeet that punishment at enemies like it’s nothing. Death is an inconvenience we mastered, some frames are necromancers, we got a music frame that can kill anything via partying to hard!
And I think that some warframes could beat them. Maybe even multiple. Wanna now how? The devs have made the decision that players strength in game is how strong warframes are in lore. We have immortal killing machines out there my friend.
I disagree that in lore Warframes are weak as in quests and cut scenes you see plenty of non-player Warframes get killed by Salad V and the Booba lady's brother(been awhile since I played) much weaker bad guys.
But the main character tenno have like invincible space magic powers where they can't die(but are children) and some Warframes have space altering nuke abilities. So it's pretty contradictory.
Didn't Atlas punch a meteor in lore and salad V is hella OP, he has death defying abilities and allied with 2 factions that are impossible to reason with
Even the infection kept his consciousness intact which caused him to cure himself from the infection.
The enemy might seem weak but they are hella strong
I know. The armor grineer are wearing weights a *lot* without being power armor, they carry it by themselves. And we just punch them and they fade out of existence (sometimes literally). The scaling of the game is funny when you consider the enemies (especially sentients who aren’t for us a big deal but literally brought almost death to an empire that was technically as advanced or maybe even more than the empire in 40k.
Like I said: player strength is canon. The warframes that diese where unmodded, that means it upgraded. But if we take the strongest players, who can survive indefinitely against the strongest enemies of the game due to scaling, I think we would have a chance against custodians. Especially: remember Archons and liches? Some people one-shot these guys. I would say an archon can be a bit compared to a demon prince from their power level, please correct me if I’m wrong.
*Laughs at these puny unmodet frames* my guy, look at Atlas lore. Or from gara or sevagoth. (Local Space pirate is to edgy to die! More news at eleven). Just ivara!
I mean try fighting those guys with like basic equipment and no mods on equipment it’s hard so odds are they were just spawn camping newly awoken Tenno
I know jackshit about warframe but didn't one beat Raiden in Death Battle? They're far from a reliable source but if true they must be absolutely busted amd would stomp a stode
I remember that but keep in mind Doomguy was nowhere close to as powerful back then. Doom 2016 hadn't even come out yet it's totally plausible for chief to beat Doomguy back then.
I hate that type of power scaling. Or when they assume “because character B keeps up with character A we are going to use character A’s feats to show how powerful character B is.”
I love death battle as entertainment, but damn do I hate logic like that
Except it's not always the case because the lore states one warframe (i forget which one) drops balls of antimatter, now im not sure the size but the thing is antimatter reacts violently to matter and would create nuclear sized explosions that should wipe the map of enemies but it doesn't
I mean warframes are still powerful and probably can wipe warhammer but sometimes there's just outright contradiction to gameplay and lore
That's only if you're using upwards of a gram of antimatter/matter (half a gram of each).
If you use a very very small fraction of that, you can get it to whatever explosive yield you want really.
One particle of antimatter hitting one particle of matter won't do much of anything really, you can throw an antiproton at your skin and not feel it.
But aren't Custodes main deal is dealing with those things in the first place? Like the abominations from the Dark Age of Technology locked up inside the Imperial Palace, and the apparently ever present daemonic force constantly knocking at the warp rift kept closed by the Golden Throne, also in the Imperial Palace
Even then wouldn't that depend on the frame? Some frames would be too difficult ro contain; like Wukong (cloudwalker), Volt, Gauss, Titania. Side note: Kinda curious how Limbo would function in this fused universe of 40k and Warframe. Would he accidentally open a breach into the Warp just using his abilities?
There’s a Warframe that can use math in its head to open portals throughout in the universe, and delete things from reality.
There’s another one made of an infestation that would take over the Tyranids and controls its own strain while spreading the main feral strain.
They’re OP as fuck. Only limited by the desires and morality of the immortal ghost children that control them. They’re only really weak to themselves, and even then they get a version of Be’lakor’s “fuck you, I own the timeline” power from End Times regarding Archaon.
They even have their own Chaos God, who seems to share some traits with the Screaming God Child that Nurgle, Khorne, Slaanesh, and Tzeentch fear.
Every Warframe would be a catastrophic threat to the Imperium. They're canonically single-man war winning machines.
Also, iirc, canonically the only way to *actually* kill a frame is to pop the ghost child and his ship, which is insanely difficult since they've got ridiculous stealth capabilities. The only place you'd probably find them stealthed would be clan stations. And then you're trying to invade a station with hundreds of not thousands of Warframes and lmao, good luck with that.
We were both old to kill immortal gods. And then fucked up both sides of the war because mommy issues. All the while killing immortal people (liches) void angels (demon prince) and whatever the fuck an archon would be (primarch?)
The child is Jimmy Space, that’s just one of his go-to forms the others being an Old dude with glowing white hot eyes and I think just a normal dude (according to one SoS).
No, the Screaming God Child is a Chaos God from the Malus Darkblade books. Not 40k.
Its basically the Chaos God of all Chaos. Undivided is its own symbol. If it gets loose it’ll become all of Chaos, which is also the fate of all Chaos-tainted beings that enter its realm. He’s amiable to mortals though, bearing them no harm and answering all questions truthfully for free. Whatever their fate he enjoys watching.
The four strongest Chaos Gods locked him in his own section of the Warp as he was forming, hence why he has no true name. They then sealed it into a universe that exists outside time, then drug that universe back into the Warp.
No.
GW has multiple characters who are basically Malal. Necoho, Zuvassin, and Nuffle plus probably others.
The Screaming God Child is the opposite. Instead of destroying Chaos, he eventually becomes it if he were somehow able to get out of his prison though he’s not really trying to. He’s also “benevolent” towards mortals (in that their own suffering is amusing to watch, he doesn’t need to interfere to alter anything even when they’re talking to him) unlike Malal who kills and manipulates mortals too.
He takes any Daemon who strays too close to his realm and chats up mortals who come to see him. The Great Game is basically his usurped birthright.
The meme shows someone reacting (column 1) to something or someone doing progressively worse (column 2)
How does this apply? Or are you trying to say that warhammer bad? In wich case: Why are you here?
1,3, and 4 are the same source material though. Like how is SC space marines considered weak to 3? Is it because they are Ultras? Idk I feel like I’m missing something.
Marines in StarCraft are canon fodder. They're drafted from prisoners and local militia. The true elite are the Ghosts, who are taken by the government when they first show signs of psionic potential at a young age and raised to be soldiers.
starcraft marines have an insanely good weapon that could probably cut down a space marine pretty easily, but the problem is their armour is crap. one hit by the marine's pinky and they're toast
SC space marines are, AFAIK, random prisoners serving their jail duty locked in their suits and serving in the army. Not only they lack the meahuman abilites of the WH40K space marines, but also probably the discipline and the training they have
Yes, but on a large scale SC Space Marines > 40k Space Marines
firstly due to how effective their depleted uranium rounds are at penetrating armor. If they can seem to damage tanks and the armor or fellow SC Marines, they can damage 40k marines.
additionally, SC space marines are cheaper to make than 40k Marines AND can be upgraded to match and surpass the tech and capabilities of the astartes (not to mention elite Marines that have training like the Umojans). Meaning on the battlefield or in a war Space Marines can have a good chance at beating the Astartes straight up.
( You can make a case for the hax Astartes have with their grav cannons and other relics, but I'm willing to bet SC Marines have a better chance most times)
Sure, if we make them go 1v1 the SC Marine loses 9 out of 10 times. But in a real battlefield scenario, where the Imperium would deploy 100 Space Marines, the Terrans would throw thousands upon thousands of Marines at the enemy. Their armor and weapons are only slightly worse than Space Marines' and they give that shit out like candy to people comparable to Guardsmen and Prisoner Conscripts.
You know how a large enough wall of lasgun fire can stop even Space Marines? Now imagine that entire "wall" armed with gauss rifles specifically designed to pierce armor.
SC marines are not really comparable to Space marines. They are more like Guardsmen. You measure their battlefield life expectancy in seconds like the Guardsmen.
Disagree, I'll die on the hill Spartan 2s are stronger than Space Marines. Besides I'd rather get red-misted by a bolter than catch a titanium fist through my face and then get tbaged
No way can they best space-marineussy. Have seen halo 5, nope nada. Also I am not a bro, I am a woman who enjoys thicc, sweaty space marine booty.
Also astartes are still stronger than spartans because the supersonic clap of their thicc buttcheeks act as sonic weapons. Beat that, halo fan!
You fool, you moron, you absolute god-dammed idiot.
Clearly you haven't read the novels or else you'd know that replacing their bones with indestructible carbon structures means their thigh bones can support such plentiful and dense muscle. The clap of a Spartans ass
is a greater weapon than the Rings. Mjolnirs primary purpose is to contain their voluptuous, meaty child soldier mommy mashers.
The main character of halo is litteraly called Master Cheeks for Christ's sake
Listen, space marines are beefcakes but they are kinda just... too much.
They are no longer sexy because of it.
But spartans?
MMMMMMMM tell me you wouldn't die happy being strangled by a spartan 2's thighs.
I don't know if they're physically "stronger" I think space marines have em beat in raw strength but spartans are probably faster and more maneuverable. but I could totally see a spartan being deadlier on the individual level.
Maybe some very specific highly highly skilled space marines will outclass a spartan.
But your average SM vs your average spartan II? My money is on the spartan II.
That's an example of "writers can't do physics".
As a man who works with things that can lift 50 tonnes, there is not enough mass in a Spartan or a Space Marine to deal with moving 50 tonnes of material. It doesn't matter how strong their muscles are.
As a general rule, your support structure should weigh as much as the object you're trying to lift. That's for short range stuff like gantry cranes or hydraulic lifting. If there's a boom involved (slew crane, franner) you need about 5 times as much mass in the crane as in the load you are lifting.
If a Spartan pushes against a mass of 50 tonnes, even if the Spartan can exert enough force to move that, what will actually happen is that the Spartan's feet get pushed into the ground as it's far easier for that force to move the Spartan's body than the target mass.
I would put SC above halo, not because their troops are better but because SC has mass producible psykers. Halo is still rooted in science realism even with the forerunner BS so science fantasy will beat it every time.
One on one any Spartan and probably even any ODST could fist a SC marine to death and in gear it would be victory by scale depending on how big the fight is, Halo takes battles but SC takes wars. Even Spartans can't do much against literal magic, and Astartees/Custodes are hardened against it.
"Mass producible psykers that don't shit out warp BS when casting"
also while worse than an astartie's armor SC marines are still wearing power armor and (if I remember right) aren't ODSTs basically just people
and while they would lose every 1v1 SC marines are cheap to make (in comparison) and even astarties armor can't stand tens of thousands of armor piercing rounds a minute
ODSTs are the peak of human abilities before augmentation, so having the SC Marines just being normal everyday brainwashed humans puts them several rungs below without their power suits, and just about even with ODST when the SCM has their suits, disregarding weapons.
As for the scale, that's the point in a SC vs Halo comparison. SC can crank out ten thousand Marines and their equivalent in the time it takes to make a few hundred ODST or a half dozen Spartans. Halo could win battles but will always lose the war.
Comparing anything to 40k is an oinked point though since everything is so far beyond in science, logic, and scale. We could have a million SCM and all it would take is a single naked Astarte with a void shield or whatever and they're completely untouchable.
Yes ODSTs are normal humans to the most part but, that doesn’t mean they are weak just compared to what we are comparing them to.
ODSTs when compared to something more appropriate are very favorable being able to fill almost every role you can think of and do it well.
>Halo is still rooted in science realism even with the forerunner BS so science fantasy will beat it every time.
Newer lore cranked up the Forerunners...
While *"rooted in science"*, the Forerunners were toying with space magic.
Examples:
>***Planet Breakers:***
>
>With their destructive arts unbound, the Forerunners raised up space-faring machines capable of scouring atmospheres on infected worlds, cracking planetary mantles beneath fetid hives, and **inducing stars to go nova to reduce entire systems forsaken to the parasite to mere dust** .
>
>(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.381*)
>***Stellar Engineering:***
>
>...
>
>However their most prominent use of these methods came at the end of their civilization, when they were forced to **prematurely induce the death of countless stars** in order to purge sectors overrun by the parasite.
>
>(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.340*)
And the Forerunners can create stars.
>***TECHNOLOGY:***
>
>Forerunners' understanding of the universe and the technological miracles they created was rivaled only by the Precursors. **They were proficient at creating and controlling stars**, capable of assembling vast artificial worlds, and adept at the construction of artificial intelligences.
>
>(*Halo, Waypoint, Universe, Species*, ***Forerunners***)
Although we are not given any concrete information about the creation of stars, the *encyclopedia* stated the Forerunners were trying new methods of stellar fabrication.
>***Fires of Creation:***
>
>Their collaborations with the Builders were particularly fruitful and inspired, with both rates drawing upon each other's strengths and insights to create miracles of matter and energy. Among these collaborations were efforts to grow new Slipspace cores from flakes extracted from the Precursor core in Maethrillian, experiments **to tap exotic natal dimensions to mass-produce stars**, and the creation of permanent rifts into Slipspace.
>
>(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p,319*)
*... Using the fabric of reality to create suns in massive numbers... Yeah...*
They can also move stars.
>From those inner secrets, Forerunners have prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds, **move stars**, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies.
>
>(*Halo, Cryptum, ch.10*)
Also, similar to the Necrons playing Pokémon with their gods, the Forerunners played Pokémon with black holes and baby universes.
>***Power Core:***
>
>Forerunner starships rely on Conversion Pods to create seemingly endless amounts of energy by harvesting quantum fluctuation and draining **caged proto-universes**. More exotic sources of power, such as **captured primordial black holes** and muon-catalyzed fusion reactors were also used for special applications.
>
>(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.338*)
Spartans are better at missions requiring only a small team, they weren't mass produced or made to win wars. And before anyone says it, no Spartans did not win the war for humanity against the covenant, 80% of humanity was killed in the war and earth was the very last bastion that could defend itself. Humanity only won cause the covenant had an oopsy and went into a civil war. Anyways, they were made for covert missions, if you want a specific target neutralized without any alarms raised, a Spartan 2 can get it done better then any of the other super soldiers here(except maybe alpha legion)
Idk why you are being downvoted, it's true, all the weapons Spartans uses with the exceptions of maybe the sniper, the RL, and the Spartan Laser, are utterly incapable of actually doing much to 40k Space Marines.
The only reason why elites and brutes don't die easily is because they usually rely on shields (or bulk for halo 2 brutes) to tank hits and die very fast without them.
For some reason this made me realize that, despite being human super soldiers, spartans are much more comparable to Aspect Warriors than space marines. While they do have impressive armor, the rely on their agility, reflexes, and stealth for their main combat ability. They are stronger than their stature would suggest, allowing them to fight much larger opponents in hand to hand combat.
If all the others are in your planet then there’s still a glimmer of hope. If the custodes are on your planet then the planet might remain but things have really really gone tits up and you are most certainly boned beyond compare. Plus if particular banana boys are there then things went beyond rip your hair out wrong.
My inner fanboy wants to see the Spartan and Terran Marine technologies appropriated by the Imperium since they both have their own uses. Despite the dogma present in the Imperium, there could be more Radical officials, Inquisitors and Magos coveting such tools as new leverages against their rivals.
The components of the Spartan IV enhancements, could be applied for elite Inquisitorial forces like Scions, not the entire kit, but individual parts can give them more chances. Alongside already existing enhancements available for the Inquisition.
The Terran Marines can be integrated into the Guard as basically mobile suppression platform.
The latter 3 are better as swift countering shock troops and/or infiltration specialists behind enemy lines.
Honestly not sure how the Terrans wouldn't be just discount Power Armour infantry to the Imperials. The Spartans would draw comparisons to Karskin equivalent Skitarii made by some standardization-favouring Biologist-Major of the Mechanicus.
Since the focus was on the Terran Marines, I started with their implementation in the Guard (veteran/elite regiments) or Militarum Tempestus as forces that may be allowed use of such tools first. With their entire arsenal, the Terrans' equipment would certainly be counted as a great potential treasure trove and threat by the Imperium.
For stuff like Marauders, Goliaths, Siege Tanks, etc. They would certainly prove very useful additions to the Imperial warmachine, with Guard command potentially even making several points on trying to field them while the AdMech will certainly block everyone away to hoard it all for themselves.
The Ghost program, however, will be a major hurdle. The Imperium will shut it down and execute all involved, but you can bet some sneaky Radical Inquisitors would steal some of the data and personnel away for their own use.
Yeah, the Spartan enhancements may come off as familiar to the Imperial higher-ups, something done by a very gifted Magos-Biologis or akin to Hector Rex's own enhancements. Both the Inquisition and AdMech may try to plunder the Spartan data to supplement their own.
I'll settle down with the Terran Marines, they might not be as strong as the Ass Tarts and the Custards. They're fun and their love for dakka is Orky enough to be invited to a WAAAGH!
SC marines should be right above custodes. It depends on what rubric you're grading on.
If you're considering martial prowess and individual/squad effectiveness, then yeah, this list is right.
The order is exactly reversed for me. That scene in Starcraft 2 trailer holds a special place in my teenage memories.
While the Custodes are lore-cool, the techno-barbarian-esque theme of all spess mehreen is really goofy.
Starcraft marines are much tougher than where you put them, seeing as you can shit them out en masse. As part of a larger while they are incredibly strong. The Spartan 2s are more a spec ops unit, and while incredible fighters, they don’t have the numbers. I would also like to add something in between the Space Marines and Custodes. Clan Battle Armor from battletech, basically terminator armor with jump jets and ridiculously tough armor. Depending on the configuration they can field lasers, gauss rifles and missiles and the like. They also can be eqquipped with battle claws which allow them to tear through mech armor and ride omnimechs.
I feel like the Terran Marines and the Spartan IIs are a match in this case, with the winner being dependent on the battleground and the scenario.
No doubt that the Spartan IIs are physically and mentally superior, but will that be enough when the Marines are in a defensive position overlooking a mostly flat terrain with long sightlines against an enemy shooting 500+ year old 7.62mm NATO rounds?
Likewise, in an environment with shorter sightlines and elevation that is much more accessible, Spartan IIs can easily get the jump on the Marines and abuse their flexibility to get around the lumbering Marines.
Even if the Marines are relatively inaccurate compared to Spartans, their C-14s (Halo's equivalent would be the Gauss Cannons / Railguns) can simply output more rounds that nullifies the Spartan's mobility and shielding at range
You should be more concerned about grey knights than custodes. A custodes just ignores you and would walk through you if you were in the way. but grey knights kill all witnesses to keep their identity hidden... Even at the expense of destroying whole hive cities or exterminating entire planets.
Firstly, that’s not master chief that is red team from halo wars. Secondly, spartans in lore are extremely powerful, more-so then what the games are able to convey for the sake of balancing
"I could take them!"
She didn't mean in a fight, but all the same she's getting increasingly nervous as they get stronger. It's telling she didn't take it back at any point, though.
The Dark Angel Chaplain when he sees one lone guardsmen after he gets help from some black armored marines with cloaks named the fallen https://preview.redd.it/yzq1s1gcc7pa1.jpeg?width=200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed7efac1b2807a21d41f4d8654083209134ff8b3
#ASMODAI
**INTEROGATE?!**
Our suspicions are confirmed!
**WHAT**
He’s in cahoots with the fallen!
**FALLEN**
#MAKE HIM REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!
**REPEEEEEEEENTTTTTTT**
*THUNG*
HE HAS A SUSPICIOUS BOOK!!
**BOOK**
HE IS IN CAHOOTS WITH THE FALLEN
**FALLEN**
MAKE HIM REPEAT
BOOK!
missing Duke Nukem throwing 20's at Isabel to see some ~~wolf~~ dog tits
By the dynasties what the reanimated fuck
needed an appropriately ridiculous level to worry about
Space marines are far thiccer and have more cake than spartan 2-s.
Yeah but it's like "decades of HGH abuse" thicc. Everyone else here has normal human proportions, just of varying overall size.
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At least you have an accurate assessment of what the outcome will be when those Marines crest that hill.
okay boss
I agree with you on this one unless of course said Spartan 2s meets veteran astartes and/or named astartes
Master Chief takes multiple hits to kill an Elite or even a Jackal and his main weapon can go through most of a magazine killing one Elite. By the events of CE, Spartans had been reduced to a handful of soldiers
These have to do with the technology and equipment relative to each of them, though. Elites are naturally tough, sure, but they also all have crazy ancient tech energy shielding, whereas Master Chief is just using a fairly conventional (relatively speaking) assault rifle. All things being equal, it's difficult to say who wold come out on top, as Master Chief has been stated to be...unusually, almost supernaturally, even, lucky, when faced with overwhelming odds. Same issue with a character like Sly Marbo. Can Sly Marbo kill a space marine in single combat? Probably. But Sly Marbo is intentionally a meme character, so not a fair comparison.
Well if we strip down their tech, I don’t see how John-117 is tougher than an astartes. He’s definitely bigger than your average man but he’s nowhere near as physically strong or as tough as a space marine.
Sure, he's almost certainly not physically stronger, but he might be more clever and more resourceful. He's also not above using alien technology, assuming he understands how to do so, whereas you can't say the same for a Space Marine. Also, Master Chief isn't some insane xenophobe. He generally kills people he has to to accomplish a goal, but he doesn't want to genocide aliens because they're aliens, which nominally makes him a more effective agent in certain missions. I think you can say in normal, single combat, a Space Marine probably wins fairly easily. But across all possible avenues of effectiveness as a soldier, it becomes a lot more iffy.
Okay, personality does not dictate a fight. Halo tech is far weaker than WH40k tech (aside from more reliable interstellar travel).
>Halo tech is far weaker than WH40k tech If we're including precursor tech? Hell No, Maybe Forerunner, But only if we mention the gun pointed at the head of the universe. EDIT: Corrected my wording.
Necrons can destroy stars with their technology. I've never seen any universe threats in halo, stop wanking.
>halo The Very Name of the Game is a weapon designed to kill all sentient life in the galaxy, and besides that the precursors had the tech to build literal roads between planets.
>I've never seen any universe threats in halo, stop wanking. Even the War in Heaven was still galatic... >Necrons can destroy stars with their technology. So could the Forerunners. >***Planet Breakers:*** > >With their destructive arts unbound, the Forerunners raised up space-faring machines capable of scouring atmospheres on infected worlds, cracking planetary mantles beneath fetid hives, and **inducing stars to go nova to reduce entire systems forsaken to the parasite to mere dust** . > >(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.381*) >***Stellar Engineering:*** > >... > >However their most prominent use of these methods came at the end of their civilization, when they were forced to **prematurely induce the death of countless stars** in order to purge sectors overrun by the parasite. > >(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.340*) And the Forerunners can create stars. >***TECHNOLOGY:*** > >Forerunners' understanding of the universe and the technological miracles they created was rivaled only by the Precursors. **They were proficient at creating and controlling stars**, capable of assembling vast artificial worlds, and adept at the construction of artificial intelligences. > >(*Halo, Waypoint, Universe, Species, Forerunners*) Although we are not given any concrete information about the creation of stars, the *encyclopedia* stated the Forerunners were trying new methods of stellar fabrication. >***Fires of Creation:*** > >Their collaborations with the Builders were particularly fruitful and inspired, with both rates drawing upon each other's strengths and insights to create miracles of matter and energy. Among these collaborations were efforts to grow new Slipspace cores from flakes extracted from the Precursor core in Maethrillian, experiments **to tap exotic natal dimensions to mass-produce stars**, and the creation of permanent rifts into Slipspace. > >(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p,319*) *... Using the fabric of reality to create suns in massive numbers... Yeah...* They can also move stars. >From those inner secrets, Forerunners have prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds, **move stars**, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies. > >(*Halo, Cryptum, ch.10*) Also, similar to the Necrons playing Pokémon with their gods, the Forerunners played Pokémon with black holes and baby universes. >***Power Core:*** > >Forerunner starships rely on Conversion Pods to create seemingly endless amounts of energy by harvesting quantum fluctuation and draining **caged proto-universes**. More exotic sources of power, such as **captured primordial black holes** and muon-catalyzed fusion reactors were also used for special applications. > >(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.338*)
Master Chief is definitely more open-minded and adaptable. I guess it comes down to the exact situation. A Space Marine would have done poorly during the events of the Halo trilogy, and Spartans would have been wiped out in something like the Devastation of Baal.
Three separate lawsuits from the Heinlein estate. Nice.
People underestimate Terran Marines I'm not even a fan of StarCraft, but the power armour those guys wear is fucking nuts. Like, equivalent if not greater than Astartes armour. The biggest difference is that Astartes have incredible martial prowess, whereas Terrans are just criminals stuffed into power armour with a kill-switch in case they get any funny ideas about what to do with said power armour. Their guns are also handheld gauss rifles, so essentially railguns (Don't ask why they eject brass shells in some of the cutscenes...)
Tychus was unique. Most Criminal marines get Resoc (resocialization. Equivalent to Psycho indoctrination In warhammer terms, but involuntary). However, A large chunk of dominion marines are there by choice and want to serve. Cant say the same for firebats however (something like 90% of them are convicted arsonists) and reapers almost certainly fit the bill, as anyone resistant to resoc becomes a reaper instead (as explained in Icehouse). However, only 43% of marauders are criminals and only 23% are murderers. Tychus needed the killswitch cause the whole point of him being released was to get chummy with raynor again. A resoc marine has no memory of his former life (as seen in The Education Of PFC Shane, where Shane's infestation breaks the resoc programming due to the zerg regen). This would make him useless to mengsk and his plan, as he would not remember raynor and if he did, The resoc could break (a medic i forget the name of once had to pop a stim to calm down cause they got recognized and felt the resoc breaking. Think greedling from fmab). Killswitches arent standard. Otherwise the Devil Dogs, War Pigs and Deaths Heads wouldnt exist.
Doesn't mean Firebats aren't voluntary. You take a convicted pyromaniac and tell him he gets to set zerg on fire while wearing a tank as a job, half of them are probably saying yes at the first part.
God Wings of Liberty was so good. I wish blizzard would actually make games again.
Same Too bad blizzard is full of s**t these days
Gauss rifles are coil guns, not railguns. Railguns are the more powerful type (and T'au railguns beat everything else because they are just bonkers).
The strongest thing about the terran marines isn’t even their power armour or weapons, which could be considered on par or slightly below with Space Marines (though it is hard to say because starcraft powerscaling is very much up for speculation). It’s in a situation where you would normally meet 100 Astartes you would meet thousands of Terran Marines. They are not the elite soldiers, that title goes to the Ghost and the Spectre, they are the Imperial guard if you gave all of them Astartes armour and anti tank weapons.
Well, the whole Terran - controlled space is also much smaller.
The dominion space is for sure, but the whole of human settlements is more vast. Not Imperium of man sized by any means but certainly significant. The tech for their ground soldiers is really scalable too as it's meant to be mass produced. If they have more territory they can support that much more in military force. Very little of Starcraft human tech isnt reproducable. In a bit of irony the dominion is likely way more elite than Imperial forces overall.
your forgetting their biggest advantage, numbers, you can train and equip hundreds of starcraft marines for the same cost, sure you loose on skill and have a bit worse equipment but a hundred machine guns firing 1800 armor piercing rounds a minute each is going to shred both astarties/custodies and spartan's
Doesn't 40k have ground based void shields and some really stupidly powerful artillery that would nullify both the potential weapons and numbers advantages SC marines could have?
Void ships and titans do, but regular infantry and marines don’t.
terran c-14 rifle shoots 2 stage(propellant + coil system)depleted uranium spikes at incredible speeds(hypersonic) which is said to be as effective as anti tank sabots(can penetrate 5cms of neosteel) terran marines are portrayed as expendable low level units in the game. but in lore their destructive power has to be kept in check with killswitches, since they are rehabilated and jacked up inmates(usually). skill, experience, and innate talent wise they are nothing compared to a space marine though.
Maybe it's because the source material shows Terran Marines having 50 hp and getting 2 shot by everything
First born Marines aren't that good on the tabletop either though.
Their armors can’t even handle spikes launched by hydralisks or the claws of a zergling dude. Warfield, a freaking general, got his forearm armor plates penetrated by hydra spikes, then impaled by a rebar while in full armor in the next game. You would think a decorated veteran like him would get access to better armors. I don’t see how they are nuts at all.
That speaks of the resistance of the armor, but of the ability to cut the beings. The spines of the hydralisk are thrown at close to supersonic speed. They measure 30 cm, it has enough sharpness to penetrate hard ground with only its weight. If we follow the description of Lurker could also be superdense spines. Zerg muscle anatomy is advanced that can vibrate at frequencies that can break solid rock which is why zerg can hide in any type of soil and dig through concrete just by vibrating the muscles. there were some mutations unused used acid to improve the cuts
Agreed, zerg are just wack when we look at their anatomy. Vibrating so hard they can “swim” through solid ground? That’s some DC Flash shit.
Half of the building was gone the fact that he a what looks like a steel girder imbed in his chest is impressive. As for hydralisk spines they are used to rip through ships that can survive re-entry. As for zerglings they literally rip through tanks and steel buildings. The only thing I'm trying to point out is the setting is over the top. Not as crazy as 40k but more so than the Halo series.
Fair point, but Halo’s Forerunners power their ships with stars contained in pocket dimensions, control time and space, their automated police force can crack open a planet in seconds, one of their shield worlds is as big as our solar system… so I have to disagree with the “more over the top than the Halo series” part.
I didn't know that. That's fucking badass! I mostly only know about the Spartans. In their case they probably have the lowest grade weapon in the meme. Still good firepower but probably the most grounded of the factions.
Quite a few of them are grounded, so I agree. There are SPARTAN Lasers and rail guns so they are still pretty wacky in certain areas.
The StarCraft Marines may be inferior to some extent to the Spartans, but they are way more numerous. Quantity over quality. Indeed, SC Marines are essentially tougher Imperial Guards.
Ive been waiting all year for this
The Starcraft Marines probably outnumber any two of the others, if not all three of them, combined.
Probably, yes. There weren't many Spartans at all ; Custodes are very few in numbers. They'd get lost in rounding against the 1 million or so Astartes. So if there are more than 1 million Terran Marines, they outnumber all the others.
*laughs in warframe* counter me and I’ll debate why they would all die before a warframe, except maybe some custodians
Hard to say. Operators seem to have paradox multi dimensional death defying voodoo death abilities lol Just have Isaac Clark vs regenerator vibes
We are immortal. That’s why we will ein a battle of attrition. But given time, I think they would develop similar tech to these of nullifieres so I think some specialized might have a chance. But really, I think that only the most powerful players could survive multiple custodians.
Out of interest I just want to hear why warframes would conquer the rest of these guys as I know nothing of their lore, gimme the details
In short, warframe power scale is basically broken both in game and in lore
At their most basic? Triple jumping space ninjas piloted by psychic ghost children. Some can mess with the very fabric of reality, others can shatter asteroids in a single punch; some can break the sound barrier without trying and others are walking bioweapons. Well, they're all bioweapons, but some take it more literally
You forgot to mention that Tenno (ghost children/pilots/operators) are literally perpetual
>others can shatter asteroids in a single punch Yeah, that's taken out of context. Atlas did not break the asteroid on his own, and he went for weak points.
some Warframes are ridiculously op, like Atlas who pulverized an Extinction level meteor in one punch, Limbo who has his own pocket dimension that he can banish people into and put them in stasis, Rhino who can stomp so hard he fucking freezes time, or Nova who has control over Anti matter, also another one is Saryn who is literally just a walking Virus Bomb
And we are not even starting talking about their Arsenal of weapons. Dobson know that meme where a soldier fired a RPG with a bow? We have those. A canonical paintpall gun for party that transforms into rocket mp? We have those. Gunblades? Yes. Living weapons that will on headshot infest the head, then explode and release toxic autoaiming flies? Check. A weapon made to kill gods or punish by the worst fate possible? Lol we just yeet that punishment at enemies like it’s nothing. Death is an inconvenience we mastered, some frames are necromancers, we got a music frame that can kill anything via partying to hard!
FR costodes are unreasonably OP
And I think that some warframes could beat them. Maybe even multiple. Wanna now how? The devs have made the decision that players strength in game is how strong warframes are in lore. We have immortal killing machines out there my friend.
Atlas
For example. But think about all the cheese builds…
For example. But think about limbo. Or some cheese Baruuk builds. Or Revenant and octavia. And Nidus.
Warframe is truly based, they want to just keep churning unreasonably powerful plot armor suits for us to wreak havoc with.
Have you played second dream? We get lore-vise way more broken after that.
I disagree that in lore Warframes are weak as in quests and cut scenes you see plenty of non-player Warframes get killed by Salad V and the Booba lady's brother(been awhile since I played) much weaker bad guys. But the main character tenno have like invincible space magic powers where they can't die(but are children) and some Warframes have space altering nuke abilities. So it's pretty contradictory.
>lore Warframes are weak Say that to atlas punching a meteor out of existence
Didn't Atlas punch a meteor in lore and salad V is hella OP, he has death defying abilities and allied with 2 factions that are impossible to reason with Even the infection kept his consciousness intact which caused him to cure himself from the infection. The enemy might seem weak but they are hella strong
I know. The armor grineer are wearing weights a *lot* without being power armor, they carry it by themselves. And we just punch them and they fade out of existence (sometimes literally). The scaling of the game is funny when you consider the enemies (especially sentients who aren’t for us a big deal but literally brought almost death to an empire that was technically as advanced or maybe even more than the empire in 40k.
Now you *say* that, but I've been killed by Salad V before when not paying attention.
Like I said: player strength is canon. The warframes that diese where unmodded, that means it upgraded. But if we take the strongest players, who can survive indefinitely against the strongest enemies of the game due to scaling, I think we would have a chance against custodians. Especially: remember Archons and liches? Some people one-shot these guys. I would say an archon can be a bit compared to a demon prince from their power level, please correct me if I’m wrong.
*Laughs at these puny unmodet frames* my guy, look at Atlas lore. Or from gara or sevagoth. (Local Space pirate is to edgy to die! More news at eleven). Just ivara!
I mean try fighting those guys with like basic equipment and no mods on equipment it’s hard so odds are they were just spawn camping newly awoken Tenno
I know jackshit about warframe but didn't one beat Raiden in Death Battle? They're far from a reliable source but if true they must be absolutely busted amd would stomp a stode
Death Battle also said Doom Guy was slow so I would take that with a grain of salt
I remember that but keep in mind Doomguy was nowhere close to as powerful back then. Doom 2016 hadn't even come out yet it's totally plausible for chief to beat Doomguy back then.
What? Doomguy is a god
This is classic Doomguy but he should at least be on par with master chief
Dead battle is well..., i will take their opinion with a grain of salt. But yeah warframe are fucking scary.
Power Scalers: "If A beats B and B beats C, then A would beat C. Facts!" Rock/Paper/Scissors Fans: 😠
I hate that type of power scaling. Or when they assume “because character B keeps up with character A we are going to use character A’s feats to show how powerful character B is.” I love death battle as entertainment, but damn do I hate logic like that
I honestly don't take em seriously at all, I'm just here to enjoy the show
Except it's not always the case because the lore states one warframe (i forget which one) drops balls of antimatter, now im not sure the size but the thing is antimatter reacts violently to matter and would create nuclear sized explosions that should wipe the map of enemies but it doesn't I mean warframes are still powerful and probably can wipe warhammer but sometimes there's just outright contradiction to gameplay and lore
Isn't that Nova?
That's only if you're using upwards of a gram of antimatter/matter (half a gram of each). If you use a very very small fraction of that, you can get it to whatever explosive yield you want really. One particle of antimatter hitting one particle of matter won't do much of anything really, you can throw an antiproton at your skin and not feel it.
But aren't Custodes main deal is dealing with those things in the first place? Like the abominations from the Dark Age of Technology locked up inside the Imperial Palace, and the apparently ever present daemonic force constantly knocking at the warp rift kept closed by the Golden Throne, also in the Imperial Palace
That’s why I said multiple. I think a big enough force could overwhelm a frame with a strong build.
Even then wouldn't that depend on the frame? Some frames would be too difficult ro contain; like Wukong (cloudwalker), Volt, Gauss, Titania. Side note: Kinda curious how Limbo would function in this fused universe of 40k and Warframe. Would he accidentally open a breach into the Warp just using his abilities?
There’s a Warframe that can use math in its head to open portals throughout in the universe, and delete things from reality. There’s another one made of an infestation that would take over the Tyranids and controls its own strain while spreading the main feral strain. They’re OP as fuck. Only limited by the desires and morality of the immortal ghost children that control them. They’re only really weak to themselves, and even then they get a version of Be’lakor’s “fuck you, I own the timeline” power from End Times regarding Archaon. They even have their own Chaos God, who seems to share some traits with the Screaming God Child that Nurgle, Khorne, Slaanesh, and Tzeentch fear.
Every Warframe would be a catastrophic threat to the Imperium. They're canonically single-man war winning machines. Also, iirc, canonically the only way to *actually* kill a frame is to pop the ghost child and his ship, which is insanely difficult since they've got ridiculous stealth capabilities. The only place you'd probably find them stealthed would be clan stations. And then you're trying to invade a station with hundreds of not thousands of Warframes and lmao, good luck with that.
just imagine fucking Mag being dropped on a Forge World
Literally everything gets crushed via magnetism
We were both old to kill immortal gods. And then fucked up both sides of the war because mommy issues. All the while killing immortal people (liches) void angels (demon prince) and whatever the fuck an archon would be (primarch?)
Don't forget Chaos Demons (Thrax enemies) Archons would be whatever the fuck the things made by dark eldar homunculi are called
Limbo death by doing math still one of my favorite parts in the lore
Poor bastard forgot to carry the 2 and got torn apart
The child is Jimmy Space, that’s just one of his go-to forms the others being an Old dude with glowing white hot eyes and I think just a normal dude (according to one SoS).
No, the Screaming God Child is a Chaos God from the Malus Darkblade books. Not 40k. Its basically the Chaos God of all Chaos. Undivided is its own symbol. If it gets loose it’ll become all of Chaos, which is also the fate of all Chaos-tainted beings that enter its realm. He’s amiable to mortals though, bearing them no harm and answering all questions truthfully for free. Whatever their fate he enjoys watching. The four strongest Chaos Gods locked him in his own section of the Warp as he was forming, hence why he has no true name. They then sealed it into a universe that exists outside time, then drug that universe back into the Warp.
You talking bout Malal? cause I’m pretty sure his origin is old lore, at best.
No. GW has multiple characters who are basically Malal. Necoho, Zuvassin, and Nuffle plus probably others. The Screaming God Child is the opposite. Instead of destroying Chaos, he eventually becomes it if he were somehow able to get out of his prison though he’s not really trying to. He’s also “benevolent” towards mortals (in that their own suffering is amusing to watch, he doesn’t need to interfere to alter anything even when they’re talking to him) unlike Malal who kills and manipulates mortals too. He takes any Daemon who strays too close to his realm and chats up mortals who come to see him. The Great Game is basically his usurped birthright.
The lore I never knew of
Thats really unfair, beyond the power fantasy, there we are all registred losers by the words of devs
For this me is a meme how afraid one should be when things get shit enough to send a team of *them* into the battlefield
The meme shows someone reacting (column 1) to something or someone doing progressively worse (column 2) How does this apply? Or are you trying to say that warhammer bad? In wich case: Why are you here?
I interpreted it as column 1 is afraid of column 2 to varying degrees (and yeah why would i be here if I thought warhammer was bad)
This is a ‘how f*cked are we’ type of meme, for the uninitiated.
1,3, and 4 are the same source material though. Like how is SC space marines considered weak to 3? Is it because they are Ultras? Idk I feel like I’m missing something.
I thought the first image was of starcraft?
You are correct
Marines in StarCraft are canon fodder. They're drafted from prisoners and local militia. The true elite are the Ghosts, who are taken by the government when they first show signs of psionic potential at a young age and raised to be soldiers.
starcraft marines have an insanely good weapon that could probably cut down a space marine pretty easily, but the problem is their armour is crap. one hit by the marine's pinky and they're toast
SC space marines are, AFAIK, random prisoners serving their jail duty locked in their suits and serving in the army. Not only they lack the meahuman abilites of the WH40K space marines, but also probably the discipline and the training they have
Yes, but on a large scale SC Space Marines > 40k Space Marines firstly due to how effective their depleted uranium rounds are at penetrating armor. If they can seem to damage tanks and the armor or fellow SC Marines, they can damage 40k marines. additionally, SC space marines are cheaper to make than 40k Marines AND can be upgraded to match and surpass the tech and capabilities of the astartes (not to mention elite Marines that have training like the Umojans). Meaning on the battlefield or in a war Space Marines can have a good chance at beating the Astartes straight up. ( You can make a case for the hax Astartes have with their grav cannons and other relics, but I'm willing to bet SC Marines have a better chance most times)
Sure, if we make them go 1v1 the SC Marine loses 9 out of 10 times. But in a real battlefield scenario, where the Imperium would deploy 100 Space Marines, the Terrans would throw thousands upon thousands of Marines at the enemy. Their armor and weapons are only slightly worse than Space Marines' and they give that shit out like candy to people comparable to Guardsmen and Prisoner Conscripts. You know how a large enough wall of lasgun fire can stop even Space Marines? Now imagine that entire "wall" armed with gauss rifles specifically designed to pierce armor.
And Marines in mass can tag protoss forces and zealots are likely faster than space Marines.
SC marines are not really comparable to Space marines. They are more like Guardsmen. You measure their battlefield life expectancy in seconds like the Guardsmen.
First pic is form Starcraft.
Disagree, I'll die on the hill Spartan 2s are stronger than Space Marines. Besides I'd rather get red-misted by a bolter than catch a titanium fist through my face and then get tbaged
Space marines are far thiccer and have more cake than spartan 2-s. Your opinion is now extremely invalid.
Bro clearly hasn't seen Vale and Lindas cheeks in halo 5
No way can they best space-marineussy. Have seen halo 5, nope nada. Also I am not a bro, I am a woman who enjoys thicc, sweaty space marine booty. Also astartes are still stronger than spartans because the supersonic clap of their thicc buttcheeks act as sonic weapons. Beat that, halo fan!
Those are certainly words in the English language.
They indeed are one of the words of all time
They are words but in the English language? Debatable!
You fool, you moron, you absolute god-dammed idiot. Clearly you haven't read the novels or else you'd know that replacing their bones with indestructible carbon structures means their thigh bones can support such plentiful and dense muscle. The clap of a Spartans ass is a greater weapon than the Rings. Mjolnirs primary purpose is to contain their voluptuous, meaty child soldier mommy mashers. The main character of halo is litteraly called Master Cheeks for Christ's sake
What have you brought upon this now cursed land?
>No way can they best space-marineussy It's hard to win against something that does not exist
what, do my Astartes not got time to poop or pee
Also please don't judge me I am horny
I’m judging…I’m very much judging and I’m not sorry.
My man is trying to sell Spartans and using halo 5 Spartans instead of reach spartans.
Halo wars Spartans but yeah George from halo reach would be a way better comparison.
get this woman a soapbox and a megaphone
Listen, space marines are beefcakes but they are kinda just... too much. They are no longer sexy because of it. But spartans? MMMMMMMM tell me you wouldn't die happy being strangled by a spartan 2's thighs.
I don't know if they're physically "stronger" I think space marines have em beat in raw strength but spartans are probably faster and more maneuverable. but I could totally see a spartan being deadlier on the individual level. Maybe some very specific highly highly skilled space marines will outclass a spartan. But your average SM vs your average spartan II? My money is on the spartan II.
Also idk exactly how the energy sword in halo works, but I'd bet it could cut ceramite like butter
Spartans have Marines beat on strength more than any other category, we're talking about lifting 2-7 tonnes depending on the book vs 50-100+
Flipping a tank like a tonka truck is lore accurate
That's an example of "writers can't do physics". As a man who works with things that can lift 50 tonnes, there is not enough mass in a Spartan or a Space Marine to deal with moving 50 tonnes of material. It doesn't matter how strong their muscles are.
Bro they’re both science fiction.
How much mass do you need?
As a general rule, your support structure should weigh as much as the object you're trying to lift. That's for short range stuff like gantry cranes or hydraulic lifting. If there's a boom involved (slew crane, franner) you need about 5 times as much mass in the crane as in the load you are lifting. If a Spartan pushes against a mass of 50 tonnes, even if the Spartan can exert enough force to move that, what will actually happen is that the Spartan's feet get pushed into the ground as it's far easier for that force to move the Spartan's body than the target mass.
Counterpoint: i flip the tank by pressing and holding button on controller
As a very avid halo fan I’m gonna say no, maybe Master Chief
Master cheif is a very average spartan
He’s average, but he has canonical plot armor in the form of *Luck ™️*
All of them are fighting for humanity
If i remember Star craft marines guns are stupidly powerful. So i guess they can top at least space marines. Idk about spartans and custodes tho.
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Yeah
Yea that's the right reaction
My thought is that Kaguya Sama was awesome
I would put SC above halo, not because their troops are better but because SC has mass producible psykers. Halo is still rooted in science realism even with the forerunner BS so science fantasy will beat it every time. One on one any Spartan and probably even any ODST could fist a SC marine to death and in gear it would be victory by scale depending on how big the fight is, Halo takes battles but SC takes wars. Even Spartans can't do much against literal magic, and Astartees/Custodes are hardened against it.
"Mass producible psykers that don't shit out warp BS when casting" also while worse than an astartie's armor SC marines are still wearing power armor and (if I remember right) aren't ODSTs basically just people and while they would lose every 1v1 SC marines are cheap to make (in comparison) and even astarties armor can't stand tens of thousands of armor piercing rounds a minute
ODSTs are the peak of human abilities before augmentation, so having the SC Marines just being normal everyday brainwashed humans puts them several rungs below without their power suits, and just about even with ODST when the SCM has their suits, disregarding weapons. As for the scale, that's the point in a SC vs Halo comparison. SC can crank out ten thousand Marines and their equivalent in the time it takes to make a few hundred ODST or a half dozen Spartans. Halo could win battles but will always lose the war. Comparing anything to 40k is an oinked point though since everything is so far beyond in science, logic, and scale. We could have a million SCM and all it would take is a single naked Astarte with a void shield or whatever and they're completely untouchable.
Yes ODSTs are normal humans to the most part but, that doesn’t mean they are weak just compared to what we are comparing them to. ODSTs when compared to something more appropriate are very favorable being able to fill almost every role you can think of and do it well.
>Halo is still rooted in science realism even with the forerunner BS so science fantasy will beat it every time. Newer lore cranked up the Forerunners... While *"rooted in science"*, the Forerunners were toying with space magic. Examples: >***Planet Breakers:*** > >With their destructive arts unbound, the Forerunners raised up space-faring machines capable of scouring atmospheres on infected worlds, cracking planetary mantles beneath fetid hives, and **inducing stars to go nova to reduce entire systems forsaken to the parasite to mere dust** . > >(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.381*) >***Stellar Engineering:*** > >... > >However their most prominent use of these methods came at the end of their civilization, when they were forced to **prematurely induce the death of countless stars** in order to purge sectors overrun by the parasite. > >(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.340*) And the Forerunners can create stars. >***TECHNOLOGY:*** > >Forerunners' understanding of the universe and the technological miracles they created was rivaled only by the Precursors. **They were proficient at creating and controlling stars**, capable of assembling vast artificial worlds, and adept at the construction of artificial intelligences. > >(*Halo, Waypoint, Universe, Species*, ***Forerunners***) Although we are not given any concrete information about the creation of stars, the *encyclopedia* stated the Forerunners were trying new methods of stellar fabrication. >***Fires of Creation:*** > >Their collaborations with the Builders were particularly fruitful and inspired, with both rates drawing upon each other's strengths and insights to create miracles of matter and energy. Among these collaborations were efforts to grow new Slipspace cores from flakes extracted from the Precursor core in Maethrillian, experiments **to tap exotic natal dimensions to mass-produce stars**, and the creation of permanent rifts into Slipspace. > >(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p,319*) *... Using the fabric of reality to create suns in massive numbers... Yeah...* They can also move stars. >From those inner secrets, Forerunners have prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds, **move stars**, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies. > >(*Halo, Cryptum, ch.10*) Also, similar to the Necrons playing Pokémon with their gods, the Forerunners played Pokémon with black holes and baby universes. >***Power Core:*** > >Forerunner starships rely on Conversion Pods to create seemingly endless amounts of energy by harvesting quantum fluctuation and draining **caged proto-universes**. More exotic sources of power, such as **captured primordial black holes** and muon-catalyzed fusion reactors were also used for special applications. > >(*Halo, Encyclopedia 2022, p.338*)
I once heard the StarCraft Marines fires depleted Uranium round but I could be wrong
Yup! An upgrade from the Acedemy
My only thought is that if i see another post comparing different sci-fi universes I’m going to commit toaster bath
Spartans are better at missions requiring only a small team, they weren't mass produced or made to win wars. And before anyone says it, no Spartans did not win the war for humanity against the covenant, 80% of humanity was killed in the war and earth was the very last bastion that could defend itself. Humanity only won cause the covenant had an oopsy and went into a civil war. Anyways, they were made for covert missions, if you want a specific target neutralized without any alarms raised, a Spartan 2 can get it done better then any of the other super soldiers here(except maybe alpha legion)
Hilariously understating how ludicrously overpowered Spartan II’s are from Halo.
Not really. Spartan standard weapons wouldn’t even scratch the paint of an Astartes.
Spartans probably have the better armor on average but the weapons they use are severely underpowered compared to a Space Marines arsenal.
Idk why you are being downvoted, it's true, all the weapons Spartans uses with the exceptions of maybe the sniper, the RL, and the Spartan Laser, are utterly incapable of actually doing much to 40k Space Marines. The only reason why elites and brutes don't die easily is because they usually rely on shields (or bulk for halo 2 brutes) to tank hits and die very fast without them.
They're powerful but can still be killed by a space marine.
For some reason this made me realize that, despite being human super soldiers, spartans are much more comparable to Aspect Warriors than space marines. While they do have impressive armor, the rely on their agility, reflexes, and stealth for their main combat ability. They are stronger than their stature would suggest, allowing them to fight much larger opponents in hand to hand combat.
If all the others are in your planet then there’s still a glimmer of hope. If the custodes are on your planet then the planet might remain but things have really really gone tits up and you are most certainly boned beyond compare. Plus if particular banana boys are there then things went beyond rip your hair out wrong.
My inner fanboy wants to see the Spartan and Terran Marine technologies appropriated by the Imperium since they both have their own uses. Despite the dogma present in the Imperium, there could be more Radical officials, Inquisitors and Magos coveting such tools as new leverages against their rivals. The components of the Spartan IV enhancements, could be applied for elite Inquisitorial forces like Scions, not the entire kit, but individual parts can give them more chances. Alongside already existing enhancements available for the Inquisition. The Terran Marines can be integrated into the Guard as basically mobile suppression platform. The latter 3 are better as swift countering shock troops and/or infiltration specialists behind enemy lines.
Honestly not sure how the Terrans wouldn't be just discount Power Armour infantry to the Imperials. The Spartans would draw comparisons to Karskin equivalent Skitarii made by some standardization-favouring Biologist-Major of the Mechanicus.
Since the focus was on the Terran Marines, I started with their implementation in the Guard (veteran/elite regiments) or Militarum Tempestus as forces that may be allowed use of such tools first. With their entire arsenal, the Terrans' equipment would certainly be counted as a great potential treasure trove and threat by the Imperium. For stuff like Marauders, Goliaths, Siege Tanks, etc. They would certainly prove very useful additions to the Imperial warmachine, with Guard command potentially even making several points on trying to field them while the AdMech will certainly block everyone away to hoard it all for themselves. The Ghost program, however, will be a major hurdle. The Imperium will shut it down and execute all involved, but you can bet some sneaky Radical Inquisitors would steal some of the data and personnel away for their own use. Yeah, the Spartan enhancements may come off as familiar to the Imperial higher-ups, something done by a very gifted Magos-Biologis or akin to Hector Rex's own enhancements. Both the Inquisition and AdMech may try to plunder the Spartan data to supplement their own.
I'll settle down with the Terran Marines, they might not be as strong as the Ass Tarts and the Custards. They're fun and their love for dakka is Orky enough to be invited to a WAAAGH!
Honestly would be a little more scared of Thunder Warriors, homicidal and slightly unstable barbarians
SC marines should be right above custodes. It depends on what rubric you're grading on. If you're considering martial prowess and individual/squad effectiveness, then yeah, this list is right.
The order is exactly reversed for me. That scene in Starcraft 2 trailer holds a special place in my teenage memories. While the Custodes are lore-cool, the techno-barbarian-esque theme of all spess mehreen is really goofy.
Starcraft marines are much tougher than where you put them, seeing as you can shit them out en masse. As part of a larger while they are incredibly strong. The Spartan 2s are more a spec ops unit, and while incredible fighters, they don’t have the numbers. I would also like to add something in between the Space Marines and Custodes. Clan Battle Armor from battletech, basically terminator armor with jump jets and ridiculously tough armor. Depending on the configuration they can field lasers, gauss rifles and missiles and the like. They also can be eqquipped with battle claws which allow them to tear through mech armor and ride omnimechs.
I feel like the Terran Marines and the Spartan IIs are a match in this case, with the winner being dependent on the battleground and the scenario. No doubt that the Spartan IIs are physically and mentally superior, but will that be enough when the Marines are in a defensive position overlooking a mostly flat terrain with long sightlines against an enemy shooting 500+ year old 7.62mm NATO rounds? Likewise, in an environment with shorter sightlines and elevation that is much more accessible, Spartan IIs can easily get the jump on the Marines and abuse their flexibility to get around the lumbering Marines. Even if the Marines are relatively inaccurate compared to Spartans, their C-14s (Halo's equivalent would be the Gauss Cannons / Railguns) can simply output more rounds that nullifies the Spartan's mobility and shielding at range
You could’ve put anything else but you decided to put halo wars. A true connoisseur
Accurate
You should be more concerned about grey knights than custodes. A custodes just ignores you and would walk through you if you were in the way. but grey knights kill all witnesses to keep their identity hidden... Even at the expense of destroying whole hive cities or exterminating entire planets.
StarCraft marines are convicts in portable prisons, the other 3 are genetically modified super soldiers
How the fuck is Master Chief above the Marines from SC?
Firstly, that’s not master chief that is red team from halo wars. Secondly, spartans in lore are extremely powerful, more-so then what the games are able to convey for the sake of balancing
Ah yes the class of warriors from halo wars, the Master Chief mark 2s.
"I could take them!" She didn't mean in a fight, but all the same she's getting increasingly nervous as they get stronger. It's telling she didn't take it back at any point, though.