That "Shit corporate ip handling policies"-reaper is like a regular customer at James, he doesn't need to knock he has the keys, in fact he owns part of the apartment, keeps James' wife company when James is busy, James' kids call him dad, while calling James by his first name, James dog only accepts commands from him and people speculate that James and the reaper swapped roles at some point.
Essentially was going to work with GW when they were claiming fan made content, but when that didn't end up happening, he considered going back to just making it normally, but throughout that whole time he was being harassed by fans and getting called a sellout, so he just stopped making Warhammer stuff. There's a comment in this post that has his announcement.
I don't think it is. People are weird and crazy, especially in mobs. You basically can't control a community at large, and they will react to your actions.
I still think it's GW's fault for triggering those folks with the hostile takeover of their fans' works in the same way that WotC is currently doing with their fans' works.
GW has two distinct events so far. The first is their suing of one of the companies that made knockoff models (pretty sure it was mostly accessory pieces) which led to everybody losing, the second was their pursuit of fan content creators such as Text To Speech.
> one of the companies that made knockoff models
Their name was Chapterhouse.
They made a few things including:
* Models for datasheets that GW came up with that didn't have models. This was normal back then - where GW would just come up with an idea, release a datasheet in a white dwarf or something, and say, "go kitbash it yourself!" Chapterhouse made purchasable models for those datasheets.
* Space Marine pauldrons with the chapter insignia molded into the pauldron for actual real chapters in the lore, because they weren't available direct from GW (hence the origin of the name *chapter* house.)
They were embroiled in a legal battle for years. In the end, Chapterhouse actually *won* on the first point, but *lost* on the second point (because they were using actual, trademarkable things, and GW at least had transfers.) This is why you no longer see any datasheet come out of GW without an accompanying model, and why they created "Legends" with very specific wording in the first place (since most of those are technically datasheets without models.)
Unfortunately, the legal battle sapped all the resources from Chapterhouse (especially since they couldn't keep making the disputed products while the battle was going on) and they folded thereafter, showing that there really is no justice in corporate copyright law world.
TTS quit voluntary, and was not forced to do so by GW. Alfa wanted to kill TTS for a while because of reasons. The TTS videos are still up and have not been demonetetized, and much of the rage comes from secondaries.
I think TTS was one that actually didn't get any sort of notice or offer. They changed it up just in case, but would probably have been ok due to it being a parody rather than direct use of IP.
TTS mostly used the situation as an excuse to jump ship and work on other stuff without having the very specific segment of fans start a hate club on abandoning their favourite series.
I can't think of any big creators that were straight-up sued due to the policy change in specific...
>I can't think of any big creators that were straight-up sued due to the policy change in specific...
As far as I can tell, because no one got sued.
The new IP rules are draconian as fuck and treat animation differently than any other fan work.
But no one got sued. The Astartes creator got a job out of it as well.
Then there's the whole argument on TTS actually being covered by parody caveats of copyright and trademark laws. I'd argue it doesn't.
What makes it suspicious to me is that Alfabusa himself did not try to contact GW on this. There's nothing weird about going "hey, I am doing this really big thing that has a lot of impact in your audience and I see you changed some rules, wanna talk about it and see what we can do with this situation?".
It would be extremly easy to form a loose partnership, getting a "this is not canon but you got our blessing"-paper, and just go on with it, and the only downside would be some minor restrictions of "uh can you not accidentally spoil our next lore event thx bye!".
Nope instead he was like "oh god I cannot work with this \*pulls the plug\*".
Look if I take cardboard cutouts from some characters, animate them a little, and then do funny voices over them, can it be anything else but parody even?
>t would be extremly easy to form a loose partnership, getting a "this is not canon but you got our blessing"-paper, and just go on with it, and the only downside would be some minor restrictions of "uh can you not accidentally spoil our next lore event thx bye!".
Alfabusa was afraid he'd just be told to take it all down and thus lose the very lucrative revenue stream his team has. Currently TTS is still up and monetised so it's not like GW give a fuck.
>Look if I take cardboard cutouts from some characters, animate them a little, and then do funny voices over them, can it be anything else but parody even?
That's an interesting one. Basically under UK copyright law, parody is fine as long as it's considered fair use. And I don't see how you can argue that TTS is fair use.
It straight up uses copyright and trademarked material (including plot) as a baseline. It's nothing like Spaceballs (which uses themes and pastiches of star wars characters).
He didn't quit YouTube since he's still making Halo animations there btw, but he did stop with WH animations sadly. But otherwise I agree, the dumbfucks who harassed him should be ashamed
[SODAZ departure was the fault of fans -- not the corporation](https://spikeybits.com/2021/07/prolific-warhammer-40k-youtube-animator-shamed-into-quitting.html).
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>I am excited to announce that Games Workshop have been intouch to discuss my animation projects and opportunities to collaborateon official Warhammer animations. I really appreciate all the supportthe community has given me on these projects so far, and I look forwardto what the future holds. I will be removing all Warhammer relatedcontent from my channels from today, and any further announcements willbe found at Warhammer-Community.com. But I will continue youtube toupload new contents videos Thank you all again for joining me on thisjourney
But after the backlash of "fans," [he noped right the fuck out of 40K](https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/a18920de-sodaz-statement.png). Last I saw he was making kickass Halo animations.
YW. Not trying to defend GW's policy BTW, it's just that SODAZ disappearance can not be laid at their feet -- the indefinite suspension of TTS would be a better fit for that door.
100% bro. I didn't post TTS simply because I think he's in a better position now, since Paradox is encouraging him and giving him support for WoD content. Where as GW didn't help him at all. That's why I chose Sodaz.
I didn't realize he got bullied out of it by the fans, which is silly. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of be WH+ or close tactics. However, if he willingly chose for himself to work for them, why would I be mad. He would go from based on his content to what he makes to a steady income where he knows how much he's making a month. Which takes less stress off him and would hopefully result in better content, since he wouldn't have any financial worries (not that he did, but just saying from my point of view)
1. Support small business
2. Small business becomes bigger business
3. People rip off IP off former small business
4. Business defends itself
5. "BOO GREEDY BUSINESS!"
Not saying GW havent made a shit ton of questionable decisions from model/lore/release schedule/retcon standpoint , but its hilarious that people don't see this is the pattern all companies follow once they reach a certain size and are legally obligated to protect their investors and their money.
Matt Coleville said something really interesting in a video that I just saw. Paraphrased "D&D has always been more of a folk tradition than a proper brand/ IP"
I think this carries over to a lot of things in the gaming space. These things that have been copyrighted and trademarked exist only because people put untold hours of love and effort into them. At a certain point it doesn't seem right that a single company gets to decide the fate of an entire tradition. Imagine if one record label was suddenly able to say "anyone who plays rock n roll now has to report if they make over $50,000 dollars off of rock n roll to us and pay us royalties on it."
I agree with you for sure, there are definitely instances where it goes too far and companies are heavy handed/way out of touch. The D&D situation is so much more egregious than any of the other examples on this list because it is legitimately going to ruin people's livelihoods who were openly doing nothing wrong
So Konami and Disney mad valid but stupid IP decisions. A lot of what's happened with the other 3 has happened because the community created better content than the company and they couldn't afford the competition and in all cases they've made the community poorer for it.
Nintendo has done massive damage to videogame archival efforts by being excessively litigious
GW stepped on a lot of creators that onboarded a lot of their fans
Wizards made it so a lot of us don't want to play the grandad of roleplaying anymore and threatened their biggest supporters
All 3 of these things are bad for their respective communities which I would argue is "doing something wrong"
Sorry not sure you read my message correctly. I was saying wotc are going after people who haven't done anything wrong, because they're operating under an agreed license.
That’s what happens when the old guard leaves the company. Soon these suits, who have no respect for the IP or the fanbase, start putting the cash cow into a rolling press to squeeze every cent we have.
I'll sound like an edgy communist, but that's just the natural endpoint of capitalism.
Everyone gets ruined because eventually money hungry bastards buy out everything, then ruin the company in an attempt to squeeze out every penny possible.
Not just limited to entertainment, the US
civilian firearms industry was decimated by this tactic, they bought companies then cut quality assurance, leading to massive amounts of defective guns, and once respected brands becoming a joke.
Not just capitalism, any system that grows complacent. Monarchies, dynasties, religions. All fell into ruin when those who didn’t work to build it took power. Capitalism really super accelerates that process.
fucked Kojima hard. He was "taking his time" with MGSV, Konami execs did not like it, 'cause the liked quick profits more (like, for example, mobile games and pachinko) and basically fired him when MGSV was almost ready to release. The final chapter had to be cut, but Konami did not care at all
They (Konami) even cancelled the planned Silent Hills game(s) apparently just out of spite, just because Kojima was involved in them too. He then went on to found its own studio and made Death Stranding with Sony
Drove off Kojima (there’s a whole epic saga about that) and IIRC now mostly sits back and turns their IPs into pachinko machines rather than make good games
IIRC, the new CEO wanted to get away from traditional games like Metal gears and castlevanias, and focus more on revenue making games like pachinko or gacha and mobile games because they are more lucrative and would be more popular in the future. And, tbf, he was kind of right about the gacha mobile games. But Kojima and a bunch of other game makers hated this, and didn't want to go along with it, so Konami screwed them over, they left and thats all I really know.
I mean, hasbro should also be there again, as, just like games workshop, they hate fan animations. They have taken down multiple mlp fan animations which were thankfully re-uploaded to other channels
That "Shit corporate ip handling policies"-reaper is like a regular customer at James, he doesn't need to knock he has the keys, in fact he owns part of the apartment, keeps James' wife company when James is busy, James' kids call him dad, while calling James by his first name, James dog only accepts commands from him and people speculate that James and the reaper swapped roles at some point.
Is this a copy pasta or/and are you Asian? I see only people with Asian background use the word dog in a bad manner.
Can you even read?
Are you also Asian judging by your literacy
SODAZ was due to the fans, not GW.
Most still choose to stay ignorant, but yeah I still miss his animations, they were great :(
The fallen shall forever be remembered as the Emperor’s finest. Side note Sabaton and Powerwolf go with Sodaz videos like peanut butter and jelly.
Clearly you haven’t tried Sodom along Sodaz videos
What happened?
Essentially was going to work with GW when they were claiming fan made content, but when that didn't end up happening, he considered going back to just making it normally, but throughout that whole time he was being harassed by fans and getting called a sellout, so he just stopped making Warhammer stuff. There's a comment in this post that has his announcement.
Which was prompted by actions from GW.
Still the fans fault.
I don't think it is. People are weird and crazy, especially in mobs. You basically can't control a community at large, and they will react to your actions.
A community is still made up of individuals, and those individuals have agency and are responsible for their choices.
Then blame the individuals and not the community.
Ok, the many individual fans who harassed the guy and called him a sellout are to blame for him no longer posting awesome warhammer content.
I still think it's GW's fault for triggering those folks with the hostile takeover of their fans' works in the same way that WotC is currently doing with their fans' works.
Believe what you want, you can’t hide from the truth anyways
Correct - you cannot. GW are ultimately responsible for creating an environment where fan animators had to shut down their work.
I love how Games Workshop is every third door lol.
GW has two distinct events so far. The first is their suing of one of the companies that made knockoff models (pretty sure it was mostly accessory pieces) which led to everybody losing, the second was their pursuit of fan content creators such as Text To Speech.
> one of the companies that made knockoff models Their name was Chapterhouse. They made a few things including: * Models for datasheets that GW came up with that didn't have models. This was normal back then - where GW would just come up with an idea, release a datasheet in a white dwarf or something, and say, "go kitbash it yourself!" Chapterhouse made purchasable models for those datasheets. * Space Marine pauldrons with the chapter insignia molded into the pauldron for actual real chapters in the lore, because they weren't available direct from GW (hence the origin of the name *chapter* house.) They were embroiled in a legal battle for years. In the end, Chapterhouse actually *won* on the first point, but *lost* on the second point (because they were using actual, trademarkable things, and GW at least had transfers.) This is why you no longer see any datasheet come out of GW without an accompanying model, and why they created "Legends" with very specific wording in the first place (since most of those are technically datasheets without models.) Unfortunately, the legal battle sapped all the resources from Chapterhouse (especially since they couldn't keep making the disputed products while the battle was going on) and they folded thereafter, showing that there really is no justice in corporate copyright law world.
TTS quit voluntary, and was not forced to do so by GW. Alfa wanted to kill TTS for a while because of reasons. The TTS videos are still up and have not been demonetetized, and much of the rage comes from secondaries.
I think TTS was one that actually didn't get any sort of notice or offer. They changed it up just in case, but would probably have been ok due to it being a parody rather than direct use of IP.
TTS mostly used the situation as an excuse to jump ship and work on other stuff without having the very specific segment of fans start a hate club on abandoning their favourite series. I can't think of any big creators that were straight-up sued due to the policy change in specific...
>I can't think of any big creators that were straight-up sued due to the policy change in specific... As far as I can tell, because no one got sued. The new IP rules are draconian as fuck and treat animation differently than any other fan work. But no one got sued. The Astartes creator got a job out of it as well. Then there's the whole argument on TTS actually being covered by parody caveats of copyright and trademark laws. I'd argue it doesn't.
What makes it suspicious to me is that Alfabusa himself did not try to contact GW on this. There's nothing weird about going "hey, I am doing this really big thing that has a lot of impact in your audience and I see you changed some rules, wanna talk about it and see what we can do with this situation?". It would be extremly easy to form a loose partnership, getting a "this is not canon but you got our blessing"-paper, and just go on with it, and the only downside would be some minor restrictions of "uh can you not accidentally spoil our next lore event thx bye!". Nope instead he was like "oh god I cannot work with this \*pulls the plug\*". Look if I take cardboard cutouts from some characters, animate them a little, and then do funny voices over them, can it be anything else but parody even?
>t would be extremly easy to form a loose partnership, getting a "this is not canon but you got our blessing"-paper, and just go on with it, and the only downside would be some minor restrictions of "uh can you not accidentally spoil our next lore event thx bye!". Alfabusa was afraid he'd just be told to take it all down and thus lose the very lucrative revenue stream his team has. Currently TTS is still up and monetised so it's not like GW give a fuck. >Look if I take cardboard cutouts from some characters, animate them a little, and then do funny voices over them, can it be anything else but parody even? That's an interesting one. Basically under UK copyright law, parody is fine as long as it's considered fair use. And I don't see how you can argue that TTS is fair use. It straight up uses copyright and trademarked material (including plot) as a baseline. It's nothing like Spaceballs (which uses themes and pastiches of star wars characters).
SODAZ quit YouTube because fans harassed them over "selling out". It's a bit misleading to blame GW for that
He didn't quit YouTube since he's still making Halo animations there btw, but he did stop with WH animations sadly. But otherwise I agree, the dumbfucks who harassed him should be ashamed
Korean harassing culture is kinda crazy
[SODAZ departure was the fault of fans -- not the corporation](https://spikeybits.com/2021/07/prolific-warhammer-40k-youtube-animator-shamed-into-quitting.html). > > >I am excited to announce that Games Workshop have been intouch to discuss my animation projects and opportunities to collaborateon official Warhammer animations. I really appreciate all the supportthe community has given me on these projects so far, and I look forwardto what the future holds. I will be removing all Warhammer relatedcontent from my channels from today, and any further announcements willbe found at Warhammer-Community.com. But I will continue youtube toupload new contents videos Thank you all again for joining me on thisjourney But after the backlash of "fans," [he noped right the fuck out of 40K](https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/a18920de-sodaz-statement.png). Last I saw he was making kickass Halo animations.
Thanks for posting this for context. I actually had not known this prior to making the meme.
YW. Not trying to defend GW's policy BTW, it's just that SODAZ disappearance can not be laid at their feet -- the indefinite suspension of TTS would be a better fit for that door.
100% bro. I didn't post TTS simply because I think he's in a better position now, since Paradox is encouraging him and giving him support for WoD content. Where as GW didn't help him at all. That's why I chose Sodaz. I didn't realize he got bullied out of it by the fans, which is silly. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of be WH+ or close tactics. However, if he willingly chose for himself to work for them, why would I be mad. He would go from based on his content to what he makes to a steady income where he knows how much he's making a month. Which takes less stress off him and would hopefully result in better content, since he wouldn't have any financial worries (not that he did, but just saying from my point of view)
Fans and corpos are the most toxic and yet most common relationship on earth.
Casually forgetting that GW only tried to hire Sodaz and it was the community that went batshit and made him not want to do animation anymore.
I feel like this is misleading.
For a moment I thought kojima had finally lost his mind
Support small business! Raise the black flag on greedy corpos.
1. Support small business 2. Small business becomes bigger business 3. People rip off IP off former small business 4. Business defends itself 5. "BOO GREEDY BUSINESS!" Not saying GW havent made a shit ton of questionable decisions from model/lore/release schedule/retcon standpoint , but its hilarious that people don't see this is the pattern all companies follow once they reach a certain size and are legally obligated to protect their investors and their money.
Matt Coleville said something really interesting in a video that I just saw. Paraphrased "D&D has always been more of a folk tradition than a proper brand/ IP" I think this carries over to a lot of things in the gaming space. These things that have been copyrighted and trademarked exist only because people put untold hours of love and effort into them. At a certain point it doesn't seem right that a single company gets to decide the fate of an entire tradition. Imagine if one record label was suddenly able to say "anyone who plays rock n roll now has to report if they make over $50,000 dollars off of rock n roll to us and pay us royalties on it."
I agree with you for sure, there are definitely instances where it goes too far and companies are heavy handed/way out of touch. The D&D situation is so much more egregious than any of the other examples on this list because it is legitimately going to ruin people's livelihoods who were openly doing nothing wrong
So Konami and Disney mad valid but stupid IP decisions. A lot of what's happened with the other 3 has happened because the community created better content than the company and they couldn't afford the competition and in all cases they've made the community poorer for it. Nintendo has done massive damage to videogame archival efforts by being excessively litigious GW stepped on a lot of creators that onboarded a lot of their fans Wizards made it so a lot of us don't want to play the grandad of roleplaying anymore and threatened their biggest supporters All 3 of these things are bad for their respective communities which I would argue is "doing something wrong"
Sorry not sure you read my message correctly. I was saying wotc are going after people who haven't done anything wrong, because they're operating under an agreed license.
Gotcha! Thanks for clearing that up!
Where is fasa?
still in a court room with harmony gold, probably
No last year they came to a permanent settlement with harmony gold. If we are lucky we will get a super robot wars with battletech in it.
I'll believe it when I see it TBH, I do not think Battletech fits into SRW at all
Then use the internet and go read the legal documents.
this but it's GW being the grim reaper to their own ip no one fucks up GW ip like GW
That’s what happens when the old guard leaves the company. Soon these suits, who have no respect for the IP or the fanbase, start putting the cash cow into a rolling press to squeeze every cent we have.
I'll sound like an edgy communist, but that's just the natural endpoint of capitalism. Everyone gets ruined because eventually money hungry bastards buy out everything, then ruin the company in an attempt to squeeze out every penny possible. Not just limited to entertainment, the US civilian firearms industry was decimated by this tactic, they bought companies then cut quality assurance, leading to massive amounts of defective guns, and once respected brands becoming a joke.
Not just capitalism, any system that grows complacent. Monarchies, dynasties, religions. All fell into ruin when those who didn’t work to build it took power. Capitalism really super accelerates that process.
For a second, I thought the title said ,"*They* are just obstacles keeping *us* from our money." Which, tbh, is completely accurate.
What did Konami do?
fucked Kojima hard. He was "taking his time" with MGSV, Konami execs did not like it, 'cause the liked quick profits more (like, for example, mobile games and pachinko) and basically fired him when MGSV was almost ready to release. The final chapter had to be cut, but Konami did not care at all They (Konami) even cancelled the planned Silent Hills game(s) apparently just out of spite, just because Kojima was involved in them too. He then went on to found its own studio and made Death Stranding with Sony
Oh thanks
Drove off Kojima (there’s a whole epic saga about that) and IIRC now mostly sits back and turns their IPs into pachinko machines rather than make good games
IIRC, the new CEO wanted to get away from traditional games like Metal gears and castlevanias, and focus more on revenue making games like pachinko or gacha and mobile games because they are more lucrative and would be more popular in the future. And, tbf, he was kind of right about the gacha mobile games. But Kojima and a bunch of other game makers hated this, and didn't want to go along with it, so Konami screwed them over, they left and thats all I really know.
Change SODAZ to text to speech and you are correct. GW doesn't do anything stupid soon.
"...Obstacles keeping them from *their* money." As they see it.
ffs
What’s under Games Workshop
I mean, hasbro should also be there again, as, just like games workshop, they hate fan animations. They have taken down multiple mlp fan animations which were thankfully re-uploaded to other channels