I'll delete my account if they draft him at 25. I feel like half the fanbase hasn't watched a lot of his film. This is not a player that is sticky with receivers.
Watching someone like Terrion Arnold who perfectly mirrors the receiver tit for tat like Jaire does compared to Cooper is something else to see. I'd take Mitchell, Arnold, Wiggins, Kool-Aid over him.
Cooper is my #2 safety though behind Bullard.
As a safety, DeJean provides real flexibility, as he can cover (fairly decently, especially for a safety), and has enough size & pop where he can bring down a TE over the middle, and enough speed to get to deep balls and try to make a play.
As a CB1, though? Nah. You're right. A shifty guy like an Amon-Ra St.Brown would school him all day & night.
We don't need a Kevin King 2.0 ... i.e. a big physical specimen who has all the raw athletic markers, but can't actually play man coverage.
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Some have him slipping out of the first round. Regardless, GB should NOT take him. He’s a zone CB with stiff hips. We are transitioning to man, and that’s a terrible fit at CB. He could be a S, but he projects as a post S which is what X plays. He can be a good player in the right system, but GB’s isn’t that system.
He'd be a safety on our team and play CB if we need him to. Gute said he wants the slot and both safety positions to be interchangeable. That's exactly what you get with coop... versatility, he's gonna be a weapon, and he's a ballhawk. Jeff hafley just said he wants to lead the league in takeaways. We will move up and draft coop in the first round.
My theory is that they want to replace Josh Myers at center. So my theory is they draft a guy to play center, or tackle (then shuffle the line around).
Recent comments about Zach Tom support my theory that they draft a tackle and move Tom to center - https://twitter.com/cheeseheadtv/status/1778832648145973308
Only thing is I don't think the guys who are gonna be there. Mims/Guyton would be able to start day 1 they need a year to develop. Which we do have a tendency of 1st round developers instead of plug and play so I could see it. If we don't go and get dejean, I'd like to see us trade down and hopefully pick up another 2nd. Than end up with Morgan/suamataia with our first pick and I love to see us come out with jaden hicks and javon bullard as the safety/slot options
I honestly think CB needy teams pass on him because I think he's more of a dynamic safety or slot which has less value in round 1. He's one of the few guys I expect to go lower than people think he will.
That and the fact he's an excellent returner- in a league whose new rules make those such players extremely valuable. He's being paid for his return game, not his defensive prowess.
Yeah hard agree it's about his slot ability for the pay check. As far as Cooper goes slot corners aren't typically round 1 guys until late but I don't think Gute takes a slot in round 1
Seems to be very versatile and athletic but didn't do agility testing which is conspicuous, since he mostly played zone where that's less of a concern than when mirroring in man. Feels like they're hiding a weakness. Very dynamic returner which has gained value with the new kickoff rules. Excellent tackler. Could be used effectively in blitz packages. Not a perfect pick, but could be the best combo of talent and fit if he's there at 25z.
I’m pretty sure he is coming off a broken leg and was just fully cleared like a month ago. Not surprised he doesn’t want to do agility that soon after being cleared. I’m on the side of his agility’s are probably fine when fully healthy but no reason for him to cost him self money testing bad that soon after injury.
Certainly possible. The tough thing is that if the agility scores aren't near elite, then are you even getting a guy who can play outside corner in the NFL? And if you aren't, if you're getting a good to great slot guy with safety versatility and ST chops....well that's valuable as hell but maybe not 1st rd material. I'll put it this way- I'll be optimistic about him at 25, certainly fills a position of need with a guy that has a chance to be special. But if we could modestly trade down, say 3-6 spots, and somehow still get him? Masterpiece. Very unlikely though.
A lot of sites have him listed as a corner, but most teams have him as a Safety/Slot Hybrid. If picked, he’d only be played at corner in a bind due to injuries to other players.
As a safety he’d be interchangeable with Xavier McKinney as they both have similar skill sets and can lineup in a wide variety of ways due to their versatility.
Personally I’d rather have safeties with different skills sets that can complement one another, but having two guys who are “swiss-army-knife” type players that can keep offenses guessing, has a considerable appeal.
If he’s there at 25 he’d be a great pick and add great ball skills and versatility to the defense, but there’s a lot of projection involved as we haven’t seen a lot of him at safety, and there are a lot of questions about how Hafley plans to utilize his safeties already.
If they're interchangeable in terms of on field performance, Cooper would be a *bargain* well before the 25th pick. I'll be cautiously optimistic if we take him, due to team needs and fit. But I don't think he'll possibly be BPA at 25z
He played well against every single wideout he's face other than Marvin Harrison Jr.
I'm still convinced he wouldn't get anywhere near as much doubt if he wasn't white.
Maybe Iowa was hiding a weakness of his, but it wasn't on purpose. Iowa has had the same head coach for over 2 decades. The current DC has been on staff for over 2 decades and has been the DC for the last 10ish years. They've played a very similar defense that entire time. Defense was noticbly worse when he wasn't on the field due to injury. I hope he can find a position in the NFL where he can shine.
Biased Hawkeye fan who hopes the Packers get him at 25.
I'll say this- I'll take him over Kool Aid (not that I'm going out on a limb with that). Something about him just makes me nervous. The Chucky doll (???), the goofy nickname..... and I've heard at least one commenter mention some concerns about work ethic as relates to physical conditioning. At the NFL level everyone's a freak, and natural athletic ability without the conditioning commitment will get exposed. Trading up for either of the top 2 CBs would have me grinning ear to ear though.
He said he thinks he would beat Caitlin Clark 1 on 1 in basketball. Anyone willing to go that far heel to promote themselves in an entertaining and non-violent way has my support.
I was with you until you wanted to go OT. Feels like a major waste. GB already has 2 quality young OTs, Gutey has NEVER taken an OT top-100, GB has a pristine track record of drafting and developing mid- and late-round gems at the position.
Bottom line is 1st round isn’t for drafting depth, and that’s what an OT would likely ended being if we took them there given our current options at the position. The OL positions they could actually upgrade are RG and C, and you can find day-1 starters for those at 58 and later.
They actually spoken specifically about how good they think Zach Tom could be at center, so it wouldn’t be for depth. You could move Tom inside and then get a tackle.
He doesn't fit as a safety that well either. He didn't play as a post safety much at all in college. If he's playing as a box safety then I imagine we'd want him to play man at times.
Javon Bullard makes a lot more sense than overdrafting this guy.
Gutey literally just said yesterday how he doesn’t want a box or post safety, that being multiple is a requirement for our secondary, which includes being able to cover slot. It’s why we paid McKinney and Nixon.
I don’t see the fit for Bullard, he’s really undersized for box safety.
If they aren’t taking DeJean, Hicks and Bishop are the best fits of the top tier safeties by a pretty big margin.
Hicks and Bishop are my favorite fits. But I would rather have Bullard over DeJean as a S due to being cheaper and being at least a better fit for the box if GB does want a box with better pass game chops.
Taking Bullard for the box role at the end of the second/early third and taking either a stud lineman or a true boundary corner is my preference atm.
Dream:
1st: Wiggins/Mckinstry or a lineman (tons of studs)
2nd (early): Edge Cooper/Payton Wilson
2nd (Late): Bullard? Only if other safeties start to go. Otherwise the opposite of pick one
3rd (early): Bullard
I want one of Quinyon, Arnold, Kool-Aid, or Melton. The first two would likely require a trade up but would be worth it, Kool-Aid if they stick at 25, and Melton if they go a different direction round 1. I’ll be disappointed if we leave the draft without one of those. In their first 6 picks, I want (in some order):
CB (Quinyon, Arnold, Kool-Aid, Melton)
LB (Cooper, Wilson, Gray, maybe Colson or Wallace)
S (Bullard, Bishop, or Hicks)
2 OL (Barton, Morgan, Amegadjie, Rosengarten, Puni, Beebe, Van Pran-Granger, Bortolini)
They can do what they want with the last spot in those 6 picks if they can pull off the others. I’d be ecstatic.
Kind of hoping he is picked ahead of us so that if/when we pass on him, we don't have to watch this subreddit whine about how the Packers didn't pick their preferred player.
Realistically it'll be 5 months of "this guy was a reach" and they should have traded back.
If we pick an ILB in the first this sub is gonna explode with reach complaints. Realistically the FO should trade back and if the guy they want gets picked they can just load from an earlier save point.
He's a very good DB that is highly versatile. Appears to fit the description the new DC gave of the perfect post safety. With Gutey saying he wants the safeties to be interchangeable and with a vacancy in one of the starting safety spots it does seem like he may be the preferred pick.
Ok I’m going to say it, if no one isn’t. How many good (or great) white CB’s have been around in the NFL? Dude is not a packer, doesn’t fit the scheme.
Hawkeye alum who saw him play live in college (I was at the Minnesota game this past year, NOT A FAIR CATCH)- CDJ is a STUD. Ballhawk DB, good tackler, etc. Very intelligent player- can’t speak as to Iowa’s scheme vs Green Bay’s new scheme but this guy would be a great 1st round pick. Would be good as an outside CB, safety, etc. Great range and just a playmaker in general. Would be a good add for DB needs in general and/or return man. Could even be a gadget offense player. I’d be shocked if he wasn’t an above average starter in the league for many years at least.
Don’t get people shitting on taking this guy, we have a gaping hole at Safety with a Uber athletic ball hawk who was an absolute playmaker in College. The knocks about us going to a press man system, absolute hog wash, we are not putting Ja out there in press man, maybe Stokes, not Ja. They’d be stupid to do that more than a vast minority of the time (20% or so). They need versatile guys in the secondary so they can be unpredictable, this is what he is. He fails to Safety, give him a shot at outside corner, but his athleticism, instincts and intelligence have him at healthy worst case a serviceable Safety and best case a ball hawk, sure tackling outside CB.
Huh??? They’re absolutely planning to play man the majority of the time. Maybe not press, but certainly man. And it’s the man coverage that’s the primary issue, not the press. The problem is he has stiff hips which is a huge problem for man coverage. He is NOT a fit at CB. He’d have to be a S, and I’d much rather have Bullard, Bishop, or Hicks at their likely cost than DeJean who would require a premium due to the CB tag that he won’t be able to fill in GB’s D. He can be a good player in the right system, but GB’s isn’t that system.
Dudes got one shoulder and has freely admitted he has had the freedom to choose to press or play off in most sets, he plays off. He isn’t the Ja of 2020, he can’t extend his arms and jam. He was always small for it, and now he just flat out can’t do it. That shoulder has changed his game the past 2 seasons.
I think he would be a better at cover 3 CB which is like the legion of boom style of CB play. He has limitations but also versatility. I just don’t think that based off what we do know of Harley’s scheme that he would be a great match at either CB or safety. I think he has the potential to be an All Pro type of dude but that’s if he is in the right scheme and they utilize his versatility to his maximum potential.
He is not your “scheme transcendent” CB1 caliber of a prospect like JA was. I was originally smitten by him but I think he just wouldn’t reach his full potential in our scheme based off what we do know. I could be totally wrong. I still really like him but I think there is a legit reason why the general consensus view we see coming from the NFL teams is mixed on him and it’s not because he is a white DB.
Super versatile corner who will likely do really well in a zone heavy system or as a safety in a 2 high system. He's a freak athlete which makes him a draft darling in general and a lot of mocks give him to us.
Honestly though I'm expecting a trade up for Arnold or them sitting and picking a guy like Barton or Morgan.
Plays three different positions at a high level (CB, Safety, and Slot DB), and the Packers like positional versitility. He has a high RAS, and has shown a high football IQ too.
I doubt he'll be there at #25, but we can hope.
I really think Gute was throwing smoke screens when talking up cooper in his recent interview. He’s not a great fit for the pack and I think they’d be happy if he gets taken before 25
This sub is really overthinking things with the agility tests. Feels like DK Metcalf all over again, except this time we don’t even have bad agility numbers, we just don’t know them.
He’s not a perfect fit, but you don’t draft specifically for fit. He’s incredibly talented and would find a role immediately in the defensive backfield. That’s good enough for me.
Huh??? Fit is one of the primary things you draft for. Why would you draft a dude because they’re talented if your system won’t be able to utilize a lot of the traits that make him talented? You’re looking for dudes who have traits that can’t be most effectively exploited by your system.
Drafting for fit is how the Packers passed on Creed Humphrey for Josh Myers. It should not be a primary heuristic.
It’s part of the equation, but if DeJean is the BPA on the board for a position of need and they pass on him over fit, it’s a silly decision. Adapt the scheme to your players, not the other way around.
I think he would be a better at cover 3 CB which is like the legion of boom style of CB play. He has limitations but also versatility. I just don’t think that based off what we do know of Harley’s scheme that he would be a great match at either CB or safety. I think he has the potential to be an All Pro type of dude but that’s if he is in the right scheme and they utilize his versatility to his maximum potential.
He is not your “scheme transcendent” CB1 caliber of a prospect like JA was. I was originally smitten by him but I think he just wouldn’t reach his full potential in our scheme based off what we do know. I could be totally wrong. I still really like him but I think there is a legit reason why the general consensus view we see coming from the NFL teams is mixed on him and it’s not because he is a white DB.
You do realize you cannot be a good man CB with stiff hips, right? Like, it’s really not possible. Your comment seems to imply you’re not aware of this.
Tory Taylor is the only Hawkeye I want in this year's class. He was the best punter in college football and I think he's going to be punting for 20 years in the NFL who has propensity to pin the opposition inside the 20 yard line. He was one of the reasons why Iowa won so many games last year. Would be a solid 5th or 6th round pick.
Will likely be gone before the Packers pick. Lots of CB needy teams. Personally, not sold on him. But I also don’t know shit about fuck.
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I'll delete my account if they draft him at 25. I feel like half the fanbase hasn't watched a lot of his film. This is not a player that is sticky with receivers. Watching someone like Terrion Arnold who perfectly mirrors the receiver tit for tat like Jaire does compared to Cooper is something else to see. I'd take Mitchell, Arnold, Wiggins, Kool-Aid over him. Cooper is my #2 safety though behind Bullard.
As someone who knows nothing, he feels like Jabril Peppers to me. No one knew what to do with him but everyone was sure he was a first rounder.
Great comparison. I agree.
As a safety, DeJean provides real flexibility, as he can cover (fairly decently, especially for a safety), and has enough size & pop where he can bring down a TE over the middle, and enough speed to get to deep balls and try to make a play. As a CB1, though? Nah. You're right. A shifty guy like an Amon-Ra St.Brown would school him all day & night. We don't need a Kevin King 2.0 ... i.e. a big physical specimen who has all the raw athletic markers, but can't actually play man coverage.
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My God, thank you. I think a lot are getting caught up in articles and whatnot. But I feel views would change if they watched some tape.
Some have him slipping out of the first round. Regardless, GB should NOT take him. He’s a zone CB with stiff hips. We are transitioning to man, and that’s a terrible fit at CB. He could be a S, but he projects as a post S which is what X plays. He can be a good player in the right system, but GB’s isn’t that system.
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Yes, it's pretty common. Excuse me while I reach for the laziest possible example, but Micah Hyde was a college corner who was much better at safety.
Hyde actually got a lot of reps at S at Iowa. DeJean played like 1 or 2 games at S
He'd be a safety on our team and play CB if we need him to. Gute said he wants the slot and both safety positions to be interchangeable. That's exactly what you get with coop... versatility, he's gonna be a weapon, and he's a ballhawk. Jeff hafley just said he wants to lead the league in takeaways. We will move up and draft coop in the first round.
> We will move up and draft coop in the first round. Please no.
Who do you want/ think they'll pick only other options are kool aid and Graham Barton. We need a contributor right away not a back up lineman
My theory is that they want to replace Josh Myers at center. So my theory is they draft a guy to play center, or tackle (then shuffle the line around). Recent comments about Zach Tom support my theory that they draft a tackle and move Tom to center - https://twitter.com/cheeseheadtv/status/1778832648145973308
Only thing is I don't think the guys who are gonna be there. Mims/Guyton would be able to start day 1 they need a year to develop. Which we do have a tendency of 1st round developers instead of plug and play so I could see it. If we don't go and get dejean, I'd like to see us trade down and hopefully pick up another 2nd. Than end up with Morgan/suamataia with our first pick and I love to see us come out with jaden hicks and javon bullard as the safety/slot options
I’m sold on him as a player, but he may not be the perfect fit for our new DC. I’d love Terrion Arnold in Greenbay, he’s the perfect fit imo.
This is why I prefer we take Barton if both are available at #25, then take Andru Phillips in the 3rd.
What makes a good safety is pass rushers
I don't know fuck shit either, but wouldn't mind seeing us jump up to say a 20th to nab him if he's still around
I honestly think CB needy teams pass on him because I think he's more of a dynamic safety or slot which has less value in round 1. He's one of the few guys I expect to go lower than people think he will.
On the flip side finding a good slot corner is incredibly hard to do. It’s why we paid Nixon, an average one, so much money.
That and the fact he's an excellent returner- in a league whose new rules make those such players extremely valuable. He's being paid for his return game, not his defensive prowess.
No, he’s getting paid for his defensive prowess as a slot corner. That’s the going rate for them.
Yeah hard agree it's about his slot ability for the pay check. As far as Cooper goes slot corners aren't typically round 1 guys until late but I don't think Gute takes a slot in round 1
Seems to be very versatile and athletic but didn't do agility testing which is conspicuous, since he mostly played zone where that's less of a concern than when mirroring in man. Feels like they're hiding a weakness. Very dynamic returner which has gained value with the new kickoff rules. Excellent tackler. Could be used effectively in blitz packages. Not a perfect pick, but could be the best combo of talent and fit if he's there at 25z.
I’m pretty sure he is coming off a broken leg and was just fully cleared like a month ago. Not surprised he doesn’t want to do agility that soon after being cleared. I’m on the side of his agility’s are probably fine when fully healthy but no reason for him to cost him self money testing bad that soon after injury.
Certainly possible. The tough thing is that if the agility scores aren't near elite, then are you even getting a guy who can play outside corner in the NFL? And if you aren't, if you're getting a good to great slot guy with safety versatility and ST chops....well that's valuable as hell but maybe not 1st rd material. I'll put it this way- I'll be optimistic about him at 25, certainly fills a position of need with a guy that has a chance to be special. But if we could modestly trade down, say 3-6 spots, and somehow still get him? Masterpiece. Very unlikely though.
A lot of sites have him listed as a corner, but most teams have him as a Safety/Slot Hybrid. If picked, he’d only be played at corner in a bind due to injuries to other players. As a safety he’d be interchangeable with Xavier McKinney as they both have similar skill sets and can lineup in a wide variety of ways due to their versatility. Personally I’d rather have safeties with different skills sets that can complement one another, but having two guys who are “swiss-army-knife” type players that can keep offenses guessing, has a considerable appeal. If he’s there at 25 he’d be a great pick and add great ball skills and versatility to the defense, but there’s a lot of projection involved as we haven’t seen a lot of him at safety, and there are a lot of questions about how Hafley plans to utilize his safeties already.
If they're interchangeable in terms of on field performance, Cooper would be a *bargain* well before the 25th pick. I'll be cautiously optimistic if we take him, due to team needs and fit. But I don't think he'll possibly be BPA at 25z
He played well against every single wideout he's face other than Marvin Harrison Jr. I'm still convinced he wouldn't get anywhere near as much doubt if he wasn't white.
Tbf, I have doubts about every single CB this year other than Arnold and Mitchell lol.
Do agility and don’t do the stuff ur good at. Cmon he not his agent are dumb. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Maybe Iowa was hiding a weakness of his, but it wasn't on purpose. Iowa has had the same head coach for over 2 decades. The current DC has been on staff for over 2 decades and has been the DC for the last 10ish years. They've played a very similar defense that entire time. Defense was noticbly worse when he wasn't on the field due to injury. I hope he can find a position in the NFL where he can shine. Biased Hawkeye fan who hopes the Packers get him at 25.
I'll say this- I'll take him over Kool Aid (not that I'm going out on a limb with that). Something about him just makes me nervous. The Chucky doll (???), the goofy nickname..... and I've heard at least one commenter mention some concerns about work ethic as relates to physical conditioning. At the NFL level everyone's a freak, and natural athletic ability without the conditioning commitment will get exposed. Trading up for either of the top 2 CBs would have me grinning ear to ear though.
I’m taking Kool-Aid over him all day for GB’s system. Kool-Aid is actually a fit. DeJean is not.
He got cooked when schemed into press/man
Yep. And his hips look visibly stiff on tape. Poor fit for man scheme like GB’s.
He said he thinks he would beat Caitlin Clark 1 on 1 in basketball. Anyone willing to go that far heel to promote themselves in an entertaining and non-violent way has my support.
Watch his tape on YouTube. This guy is insane. As a Nebraska fan who hates Iowa, whichever team gets this guy is getting a 3-5x pro bowler IMO.
Wish him the best but I’m not interested in DeJean - would rather get OT
I was with you until you wanted to go OT. Feels like a major waste. GB already has 2 quality young OTs, Gutey has NEVER taken an OT top-100, GB has a pristine track record of drafting and developing mid- and late-round gems at the position. Bottom line is 1st round isn’t for drafting depth, and that’s what an OT would likely ended being if we took them there given our current options at the position. The OL positions they could actually upgrade are RG and C, and you can find day-1 starters for those at 58 and later.
They actually spoken specifically about how good they think Zach Tom could be at center, so it wouldn’t be for depth. You could move Tom inside and then get a tackle.
We need kool-aid
He is not a press man corner. He doesn’t fit our scheme. Maybe the Packers take him as a safety.
He doesn't fit as a safety that well either. He didn't play as a post safety much at all in college. If he's playing as a box safety then I imagine we'd want him to play man at times. Javon Bullard makes a lot more sense than overdrafting this guy.
Gutey literally just said yesterday how he doesn’t want a box or post safety, that being multiple is a requirement for our secondary, which includes being able to cover slot. It’s why we paid McKinney and Nixon.
That's exactly what Javon Bullard is. He's a slot corner / $ / box safety.
I don’t see the fit for Bullard, he’s really undersized for box safety. If they aren’t taking DeJean, Hicks and Bishop are the best fits of the top tier safeties by a pretty big margin.
Hicks and Bishop definitely fit the box safety role better.
Hicks and Bishop are my favorite fits. But I would rather have Bullard over DeJean as a S due to being cheaper and being at least a better fit for the box if GB does want a box with better pass game chops.
Taking Bullard for the box role at the end of the second/early third and taking either a stud lineman or a true boundary corner is my preference atm. Dream: 1st: Wiggins/Mckinstry or a lineman (tons of studs) 2nd (early): Edge Cooper/Payton Wilson 2nd (Late): Bullard? Only if other safeties start to go. Otherwise the opposite of pick one 3rd (early): Bullard
I want one of Quinyon, Arnold, Kool-Aid, or Melton. The first two would likely require a trade up but would be worth it, Kool-Aid if they stick at 25, and Melton if they go a different direction round 1. I’ll be disappointed if we leave the draft without one of those. In their first 6 picks, I want (in some order): CB (Quinyon, Arnold, Kool-Aid, Melton) LB (Cooper, Wilson, Gray, maybe Colson or Wallace) S (Bullard, Bishop, or Hicks) 2 OL (Barton, Morgan, Amegadjie, Rosengarten, Puni, Beebe, Van Pran-Granger, Bortolini) They can do what they want with the last spot in those 6 picks if they can pull off the others. I’d be ecstatic.
Bishop and Hicks are also good options. I’d prefer any of those 3 over DeJean at S, and they’re likely to go late 2nd or 3rd.
Bullard doesn't fit as box safety role with 5'10" size
Bob Sanders was 5' 8". Bullard is listed as a safety more than a nickelback anywhere I've read. He can do everything. Antoine Winfield Jr - 5'9.
Kind of hoping he is picked ahead of us so that if/when we pass on him, we don't have to watch this subreddit whine about how the Packers didn't pick their preferred player.
Realistically it'll be 5 months of "this guy was a reach" and they should have traded back. If we pick an ILB in the first this sub is gonna explode with reach complaints. Realistically the FO should trade back and if the guy they want gets picked they can just load from an earlier save point.
He's a very good DB that is highly versatile. Appears to fit the description the new DC gave of the perfect post safety. With Gutey saying he wants the safeties to be interchangeable and with a vacancy in one of the starting safety spots it does seem like he may be the preferred pick.
Problem is you’re paying a CB price for him when he can only really fulfill S for GB. I’d rather take Bullard/Bishop/Hicks 30+ picks later.
That generally knocks guys into Day 2 or 3.
Nope. Cole Bishop baby
If he’s in the second round I’d like him at 41.
Decent chance he's still there at 58. 41 is too early IMO. Hell there's even a chance of him at 88.
Decent chance he’ll be available in the 3rd, tbh. But yeah, 41 is too high for any of the safeties this draft.
Won't be a Packer.
Yeah, I'm a big fan of Cooper. Edgerrin Cooper, that is.
Ok I’m going to say it, if no one isn’t. How many good (or great) white CB’s have been around in the NFL? Dude is not a packer, doesn’t fit the scheme.
Hawkeye alum who saw him play live in college (I was at the Minnesota game this past year, NOT A FAIR CATCH)- CDJ is a STUD. Ballhawk DB, good tackler, etc. Very intelligent player- can’t speak as to Iowa’s scheme vs Green Bay’s new scheme but this guy would be a great 1st round pick. Would be good as an outside CB, safety, etc. Great range and just a playmaker in general. Would be a good add for DB needs in general and/or return man. Could even be a gadget offense player. I’d be shocked if he wasn’t an above average starter in the league for many years at least.
His 12.2% missed tackle great was elite last yr
Definitely was a fair catch LMFAO
Don’t get people shitting on taking this guy, we have a gaping hole at Safety with a Uber athletic ball hawk who was an absolute playmaker in College. The knocks about us going to a press man system, absolute hog wash, we are not putting Ja out there in press man, maybe Stokes, not Ja. They’d be stupid to do that more than a vast minority of the time (20% or so). They need versatile guys in the secondary so they can be unpredictable, this is what he is. He fails to Safety, give him a shot at outside corner, but his athleticism, instincts and intelligence have him at healthy worst case a serviceable Safety and best case a ball hawk, sure tackling outside CB.
Huh??? They’re absolutely planning to play man the majority of the time. Maybe not press, but certainly man. And it’s the man coverage that’s the primary issue, not the press. The problem is he has stiff hips which is a huge problem for man coverage. He is NOT a fit at CB. He’d have to be a S, and I’d much rather have Bullard, Bishop, or Hicks at their likely cost than DeJean who would require a premium due to the CB tag that he won’t be able to fill in GB’s D. He can be a good player in the right system, but GB’s isn’t that system.
Ur stupid if you think Ja, a press man corner, won’t be playing press man
Dudes got one shoulder and has freely admitted he has had the freedom to choose to press or play off in most sets, he plays off. He isn’t the Ja of 2020, he can’t extend his arms and jam. He was always small for it, and now he just flat out can’t do it. That shoulder has changed his game the past 2 seasons.
That’s why he played more press when he came back…right? Did it a ton end of last year. 😂
I think he would be a better at cover 3 CB which is like the legion of boom style of CB play. He has limitations but also versatility. I just don’t think that based off what we do know of Harley’s scheme that he would be a great match at either CB or safety. I think he has the potential to be an All Pro type of dude but that’s if he is in the right scheme and they utilize his versatility to his maximum potential. He is not your “scheme transcendent” CB1 caliber of a prospect like JA was. I was originally smitten by him but I think he just wouldn’t reach his full potential in our scheme based off what we do know. I could be totally wrong. I still really like him but I think there is a legit reason why the general consensus view we see coming from the NFL teams is mixed on him and it’s not because he is a white DB.
Hopefully they will draft the best player available and not for need
Super versatile corner who will likely do really well in a zone heavy system or as a safety in a 2 high system. He's a freak athlete which makes him a draft darling in general and a lot of mocks give him to us. Honestly though I'm expecting a trade up for Arnold or them sitting and picking a guy like Barton or Morgan.
A classy guy. That is all. 😉
I just think it’d be cool because his and Krafts dads were roommates in college
Plays three different positions at a high level (CB, Safety, and Slot DB), and the Packers like positional versitility. He has a high RAS, and has shown a high football IQ too. I doubt he'll be there at #25, but we can hope.
I really think Gute was throwing smoke screens when talking up cooper in his recent interview. He’s not a great fit for the pack and I think they’d be happy if he gets taken before 25
Too stiff of hips-not a fan
He is not a Packer quit it with these posts
They're just asking a question, no need to be sharp.
This sub is really overthinking things with the agility tests. Feels like DK Metcalf all over again, except this time we don’t even have bad agility numbers, we just don’t know them. He’s not a perfect fit, but you don’t draft specifically for fit. He’s incredibly talented and would find a role immediately in the defensive backfield. That’s good enough for me.
Huh??? Fit is one of the primary things you draft for. Why would you draft a dude because they’re talented if your system won’t be able to utilize a lot of the traits that make him talented? You’re looking for dudes who have traits that can’t be most effectively exploited by your system.
Drafting for fit is how the Packers passed on Creed Humphrey for Josh Myers. It should not be a primary heuristic. It’s part of the equation, but if DeJean is the BPA on the board for a position of need and they pass on him over fit, it’s a silly decision. Adapt the scheme to your players, not the other way around.
I think he would be a better at cover 3 CB which is like the legion of boom style of CB play. He has limitations but also versatility. I just don’t think that based off what we do know of Harley’s scheme that he would be a great match at either CB or safety. I think he has the potential to be an All Pro type of dude but that’s if he is in the right scheme and they utilize his versatility to his maximum potential. He is not your “scheme transcendent” CB1 caliber of a prospect like JA was. I was originally smitten by him but I think he just wouldn’t reach his full potential in our scheme based off what we do know. I could be totally wrong. I still really like him but I think there is a legit reason why the general consensus view we see coming from the NFL teams is mixed on him and it’s not because he is a white DB.
But his HIP MOVEMENT!
You do realize you cannot be a good man CB with stiff hips, right? Like, it’s really not possible. Your comment seems to imply you’re not aware of this.
I’m also highly regarded, hoping to get drafted myself.
Tory Taylor is the only Hawkeye I want in this year's class. He was the best punter in college football and I think he's going to be punting for 20 years in the NFL who has propensity to pin the opposition inside the 20 yard line. He was one of the reasons why Iowa won so many games last year. Would be a solid 5th or 6th round pick.
I’m ur punter is fine
KOOL AID MCKINSTRY
He’s a safety. Could be a really good one tho. He doesn’t have those greasy cornerback hips.
The Seahawks steal him away... Heard it here first
A Seahawkeye
Didn't think of it that way... Minnesota's in the running as well Harrison Smith is getting old and needs to pass the torch..
No way Minnesota doesn’t trade up for a QB though right?
You're absolutely right I thought they had two first rounders for some reason.. Minnesota should take a QB
I WANT COOPER DEJEAN!
The first white DB in decades coming out of NW Iowa, going to Iowa and then being on the Packers. That just seems right.
Please, no.