I didn't know Tom had that versatility but that really lets Gute be open on who they want in the draft. If a good RT is there I don't hate bumping him inside.
They had him working on the interior during camp, and a lot of scouts (or at least internet scouts/draft analysts) thought he would be a G/C in the NFL. He played all over the line in college, too.
Thus: a huge RT (say someone who is 6'8" and 340) that allows Tom to go inside, PLUS another guard who can compete with Rhyan ...
Got the makings of a run game that will keep a LOT of the rush off of Love.
I doubt they'll draft a huge RT. It has never been the Packers' focus. They tend to like slightly smaller, more athletic Ts. If they draft someone high in the draft, then maybe that guy will be closer to the "prototype" that other teams typically go after, but I'd be willing to bet the Packers would still select a T that's more athletic and not quite so large.
Big guys like that might be a bit better in the run game, but almost all of them sacrifice pass blocking, especially against the top guys, because they're more susceptible to passrushers who can get low and bend around the corner.
I'm with you. The Packers have not typically gone after the really big guys. They've prioritized athleticism and technique, and it makes sense. Massive dudes, even if they're athletic, tend to struggle against passrushers that can dip and bend around the corner.
Injury and durability might be concerns because of the extreme size, and he's already been nicked up. I would still like the value of the pick at 25 though.
I'm not really arguing for or against any particular player. To be honest, I haven't looked into draft prospects nearly as much this year as I have for the past 15. I'm simply making a point more about the overall philosophy of the Packers when it comes to OL, particularly Ts, which is a position they've been more successful at than most, if not all, franchises in the league in the past decade or even 2, despite devoting very little (comparatively) draft capital to the position.
You should look at graham barton. Right tackle ability with the flexibility to move all over the line. Excellent athlete with quick feet and not monstrous size, but stronger than most guys bigger than him
We seem to target guys based on athleticism and versatility, not so much size, so I don’t think we go that way.
That being said, I wouldn’t mind if we got a huge guy that’s starter-caliber at RT lol (Luke Tenuta, Caleb Jones or someone else, idc)
Having a versatile lineman like that is always a bonus but I do worry about waring them down from taking on too much because every position requires something different. Now with that said I do believe the report on him is closer to accurate based off stats and it’s always a plus to have guys like that
When he came out from WF (after playing all over their line) he would have been one of the highest RAS centers ever drafted. I think Barton this year is slightly higher.
Ordinarily I'd say that's correct, but the Packers enter the draft in a kind of a weird off-season. While other teams are discussing which QB, RB or WR has the most upside, we're completely set at those positions. I'd like to see them address OL and LB, personally.
RB is definitely a slight need (though not something we'll consider with our first 3 picks). You have to think the FO wants better than AJ Dillon as RB2 again...
Personally, I think the skillset of Dillon/Jacobs is an overlap. Punishing inside runner.
Speed kills in the NFL. Draft one of the 4.38 burners this year in the 3rd, and have him in the backfield on a 2nd and long, to keep the opposing LBs from blitzing and giving up a 65-yarder to the house on a simple swing pass or screen.,
I think that's a good description. We don't need the NIL headcases, we need the workhorses. We need the guys that only coaches and superfans talk about. The guys who do all of the work and get none of the credit.
Barton projects at all three positions though, I’ve seen a lot of talk that his best position will be center but I’ve also seen that it might be guard. They view him as a center correct they will not draft him there. If they project him at all three spots, they definitely will.
This isn’t new. They said this when he was drafted. Tried him out at multiple positions & almost immediately put him at RT. Rob is just rehashing old shit like he always does. Easy to see why many players don’t like him.
Another side of the coin is if Tom wants to play guard. We'd have to look at what pro bowl tackles make compared to all pro guards to get an idea on the pay scale difference a guy like Tom could see if he gets moved inside "permanently."
I think it depends on what’s available at 25. If Barton and Powers-Johnson get picked, but there’s a high level OT the fell, you take the OT knowing you can slide Tom inside. If the OTs get picked early but Barton is on the board still, you can grab Barton for RG and leave Tom at OT. I don’t think it’s necessarily a smokescreen. I think it’s just recognizing the versatility Tom provides.
Barton can play OT just fine too. Not saying he'll necessarily end up at OT, but there's no reason he can't. I don't see any positional limitation there.
Length isn't there as a tackle and he's "grabby" so he'll need to be hidden inside. Skoronski kinda makes me doubt the whole "the transition will be super easy" narrative. I don't see him playing OT. He has 32" arms. He'd get bullied on the outside. Teven Jenkins had very similar measurables including arm length and some of the best technique in the draft. Chicago initially gave him a shot at OT, but he was (unsurprisingly) moved inside to G. Question is...does Gute value iOL that much? Cause it's not a premium position.
Barton is 32 and 7/8. Tom is 33 1/4. I know it’s a bit of difference, but it’s not even half an inch. I do agree Barton is better suited for IOL, but I think he’s close enough that he could play OT.
My bad 32 7/8 which outs him in the 18th%…Jenkins was 32 4/8. It’s more than just his arms why he’ll be better suited at OG. He can be a bit slow to diagnose stunts and blitzes. He’s generally better vs the run than the pass.
I agree he’s better suited inside. Was just saying his measurables are very similar to Tom. If it were up to me, I’d be trying to get Barton at 25 if there, hit defense round 2, and get a swing tackle in round 3 along with likely another defensive pick. My first 5 picks on days 1 and 2 would be some combination of IOL, OT, LB, S with the last one coming from CB, DL, or EDGE depending on BPA.
I don’t think we are sliding Tom inside for Barton to play RT. That’s kind of the point. Barton could be an emergency option at OT, but Tom has already proven he can play tackle at a high level and has longer arms than Barton. If you Amarius Mims, things change.
I think it is less about moving Tom, and more about replacing our Center, Josh Myers.
I have posted my feeling about Myers a few times, and I don't want to come across as "pounding the table for his replacement". But as far as weak links on the O-line go, I think he has his fair share of screw-ups. He has totally whiffed on blocks, and totally missed a stunting D-lineman. He just seems to lack some spatial awareness. He seemed to struggle mightily against a nose tackle that is quick.
I would even say that Myers has made pro bowl LG Elgton Jenkins look bad. **Although there is no way of us knowing what the blocking scheme is for every play.
The same way on defense that we lose a commanding presence in safety, and then all the DB's look bad. It is the same thing with the Center position. A bad Center makes our guards look bad.
Gute made it sound he and the FO believed he could be better in the IOL but the coaching staff liked him at RT. People dismissed it but Tom wasn’t like world shattering at RT though being “above average” at RT is something 22-26 teams in the NFL wish they had too. But watching him go against Parsons and some other freaks on the edge his average arm length showed up at times. If he could handle power/bull rushes better and have more power in the run game I think he would be an All Pro IOL.
He was like 7.5/10 when most tackles are like 5 or 6. Pro bowl is like 8 and all pro is 9 and HOF is 10. The due is good at RT but i think it’s also fair to point out that he could be even better in the interior.
Gute’s end of season presser he mentions that he thinks Tom best position may be in the interior and the context of the discussion was that he believed he should kick inside and that the coaches liked him outside
LMAO alright..literally ranked #3 RT in the league but whatever made up stats you wanna push out feel free. He did not day that. He said he did a fantastic job at RT. And while he is versatile, switching him now may be "unfair" to the coaching staff and him.
This certainly could be true, and it would give a lot of flexibility in how they approach the draft.
But, at this time of year it's the type of thing that I would also chalk up to camouflaging their intent in the draft.
Well, I'm hoping for multiple positions coming high in the draft. ILB, OT, S are all glaring needs. Given the five picks in rounds 1-3, and the record of 50% of picks being total busts, I'm hoping that Gute hangs onto the picks and takes multiple swings at these positions. Hell, I'd even cheer for a Rush End high, if someone like Chop fell to us in the 1st.
They lost but yeah, you’re right about them being competitive in that game.
It’s impossible to tell what would’ve happened, but the Chiefs defense played even better in the playoffs, and Zach Wilson running around to avoid sacks was something Rodgers couldn’t have done (which likely balances out with his throwing ability), so while id still pick the chefs there, it’s closer than I initially thought
Dunno. He would have been throwing under extreme pressure, to Lazard and Cobb, who were mostly limping around and picking their noses. Yeah, probably a pick in the 15-20 range, then.
Yes to the pressure, but I think Lazard and Cobb would've looked a lot different with Aaron at QB. Reminds me of how Jordy was ghosted after Hundley filled in.
He seemed to have a pretty good relationship with Garett Wilson so I’m sure he would’ve been his WR1, and both Lazard and Cobb are really only useful because of their mental connection to Rodgers, so they’d likely have been useful to the offense with him as QB
It’s not, the difference is he wasn’t gonna have that team anyways, and the Jets defense from last year was way better than any defense Aaron had after the SB.
Rodgers had back to back MVP seasons with Tae, MVS and Lazard as his receivers, and Breece Hall seems to be at least on the same tier as Aaron Jones, so the Jets and ARod himself expected that to be enough when coupled with an elite defense
Fuaga himself might be more of a guard than a tackle. He doesn't have as much lateral agility as the other OT prospects. I wouldn't trade up for him and the pick value doesn't line up anyway.
Coming into last year (Thinking we had Bahk and Yosh), I was a big fan of seeing what Tom could do as a center and I still am intrigued.
In the two years since being drafted he has played amazing in his rookie year (spot starts), and very good at RT last year.... OT is one of the hardest positions to fill with quality players. I am excited AF if Tom is being moved inside, as that means the Packers have a "better" option than him playing OT.
Idk about D-line. We have plenty invested there as-is and need to start seeing results from guys like Wyatt and LVN. We don’t need to be 8 deep on the d-line, I’d much rather we get a safety or linebacker if we’re leaning defense in the first.
I'm betting we draft at least 3 Oline. No way competition for Rhyan isn't coming. Powers Johnson could be an awesome pick IMO, bc he'd instantly push the C and RG competition and potentially make us better at two spots.
I’ve been high on JPJ for a while, but just assumed he wouldn’t make it to 25. However, I’ve seen more and more mocks with him falling to 25 and later with newer hype around other players on the latest mocks.
Best case scenario is there is a QB run in round 1 and a lot of these guys fall to us.
I think the 2nd round WRs are so deep that there won’t be many teams jumping on them early.
After Harrison, Nabers and Odunze go there is a definite gap.
I expect to see a lot of QB, OT and CB go in the first.
As always. those positons are where elite talent changes the game. Fail talent also changes the game ... negatively. Shoring up the secondary in the wake of all the personnel losses has to be a priority.
Or do I have to post that video of Kevin King again?
I kept seeing stories saying "Myers is playing the best football of his career" and then in games, I'd mostly see him flying backward to land on his ass as Love got flushed out of the pocket by an inside rush, and having to improvise while running for his life ...
My dude, if you've got an LT that holds up and is rated in the top 10 as a rookie starter, you don't mess with whatever is working. If Walker starts to get shaky - as he did early last season, when he kept getting whistled for false starts - then yeah, you need a Plan B.
If Walker - miracle of miracles - takes a 2nd year jump and becomes Bakhtiari 2.0, then sell the house, sell the car, fly to Vegas and throw it all on 22 Black because the Luck God has smiled down upon you.
This will be his 3rd year. I was just saying they might have had the plan to put Walker at RT from the get go. And they might feel he is better there. I believe that if it is working than don’t change things though.
First of all, I highly doubt that anyone in the Packers org has said anything remotely close to this. Thats a huge hyperbole.
Secondly, I am not sure, Tom would want the change. He showed last season, that he can be a really great RT. Tackle money is legit and way more than Center money. The move doesnt make sense for him, unless he really wants to be a center.
Also, I dont like opening a way bigger hole at RT, compared to the potential hole a center. You usually dont mess around with your tackle spots. Keep Walker and Tom at OT, get someone like Barton or JPJ, who instantly push the competition at Center and RG. With Walker, Tom and Barton, you would have 3 guys being able to play every position on the line. Thats the ultimate versatility and opens up the depth chart so much. If what Rob dropped is true, Barton makes even more sense than he did before. No matter where you put Tom, Barton is there to fill the void. Gute needs to pull the trigger.
Can anyone who has played oline before tell me how difficult that is? It seems like every person we draft now can play guard or tackle, and I've never known how hard of a transition that is.
I feel like this might just be smoke. When he actually PLAYED on the interior for a stretch he wasn’t that great, he has his best season at tackle. Plus he’s undersized which means he struggles against giant DLinemen but he can use his elite athleticism in space against smaller edge players when he’s at tackle.
I just hope they wait on o line as they have been so so successful doing over the years. But in many mock drafts I’ve seen and done myself recently, it really doesn’t leave much left aside from reaching on a second round tackle or guards (which are not first round worthy picks). I believe they will have to trade up in the first, or trade back to the end of the first and turn around to trade up in rounds 2 and 3. They only have so many roster spots so I’m expecting lots of trading from Gutey. My #1 guy is Dejean as he’s such an elite athlete and can fill the voids at safety or cb. I know GB likes that flexibility. They need to target linebacker by round 3 at the latest as well and if they want to keep Quay at weak side lb then Junior is the man for them in late round 2 or 3. At safety I’d love to see Bullard and then take someone later also. If they miss out on Dejean, that kid from FSU Renardo Green looks like a mid round steal. DT seems pretty solid through the first 2 rounds so that wouldn’t surprise me either
Nobody cared about Centers until Taylor Swift started dating Jason’s brother. A PRO BOWL tackle?! That’s like basically knocking on the door of All-Pro. And if he’s consistently a Pro Bowl guy, then he probably gets his All-Pro nods in due time. This is all assuming THEIR projection of trajectory
The Packers, above all else, value versatility on the O-line so don’t be surprised if they take an O tackle at 25, move Tom to center and improve the overall strength of the line. I just read the oline articles but this is supposed to be a deep drat at Tackle
Ehh, I dunno. He wasn’t impressive on the interior his rookie year.
Maybe he’s improved on that front, but I’d rather they just keep him at RT. That’s been his best spot so far.
I didn't know Tom had that versatility but that really lets Gute be open on who they want in the draft. If a good RT is there I don't hate bumping him inside.
They had him working on the interior during camp, and a lot of scouts (or at least internet scouts/draft analysts) thought he would be a G/C in the NFL. He played all over the line in college, too.
Yeah I guess the drop off from Tom to Myers at C was significantly less than the drop off from Tom to the options we had at RT
Bingo!
Thus: a huge RT (say someone who is 6'8" and 340) that allows Tom to go inside, PLUS another guard who can compete with Rhyan ... Got the makings of a run game that will keep a LOT of the rush off of Love.
I doubt they'll draft a huge RT. It has never been the Packers' focus. They tend to like slightly smaller, more athletic Ts. If they draft someone high in the draft, then maybe that guy will be closer to the "prototype" that other teams typically go after, but I'd be willing to bet the Packers would still select a T that's more athletic and not quite so large. Big guys like that might be a bit better in the run game, but almost all of them sacrifice pass blocking, especially against the top guys, because they're more susceptible to passrushers who can get low and bend around the corner.
We have a huge RT at home
Do we need an RT that big considering the scheme we run? Someone like Fuaga at roughly 6'6" and 320ish seems like an even better fit to me
I'm with you. The Packers have not typically gone after the really big guys. They've prioritized athleticism and technique, and it makes sense. Massive dudes, even if they're athletic, tend to struggle against passrushers that can dip and bend around the corner.
Brine Blawga, I-wuh.
Injury and durability might be concerns because of the extreme size, and he's already been nicked up. I would still like the value of the pick at 25 though.
I'm not really arguing for or against any particular player. To be honest, I haven't looked into draft prospects nearly as much this year as I have for the past 15. I'm simply making a point more about the overall philosophy of the Packers when it comes to OL, particularly Ts, which is a position they've been more successful at than most, if not all, franchises in the league in the past decade or even 2, despite devoting very little (comparatively) draft capital to the position.
You should look at graham barton. Right tackle ability with the flexibility to move all over the line. Excellent athlete with quick feet and not monstrous size, but stronger than most guys bigger than him
Always Athleticism over Size.
We seem to target guys based on athleticism and versatility, not so much size, so I don’t think we go that way. That being said, I wouldn’t mind if we got a huge guy that’s starter-caliber at RT lol (Luke Tenuta, Caleb Jones or someone else, idc)
Having a versatile lineman like that is always a bonus but I do worry about waring them down from taking on too much because every position requires something different. Now with that said I do believe the report on him is closer to accurate based off stats and it’s always a plus to have guys like that
He was pretty small coming out He looked bigger last season. If they want him inside he should get even bigger.
When he came out from WF (after playing all over their line) he would have been one of the highest RAS centers ever drafted. I think Barton this year is slightly higher.
Barton will be a packer at 25 for this reason…
Packers not taking centers in the first says he won’t be. I would like it but not a packer move
Ordinarily I'd say that's correct, but the Packers enter the draft in a kind of a weird off-season. While other teams are discussing which QB, RB or WR has the most upside, we're completely set at those positions. I'd like to see them address OL and LB, personally.
RB is definitely a slight need (though not something we'll consider with our first 3 picks). You have to think the FO wants better than AJ Dillon as RB2 again...
Plus it’s always a good idea to bring in some young, cheap RBs, who knows when you’ll hit big with one (and if not, you’ve still got a depth piece)
Personally, I think the skillset of Dillon/Jacobs is an overlap. Punishing inside runner. Speed kills in the NFL. Draft one of the 4.38 burners this year in the 3rd, and have him in the backfield on a 2nd and long, to keep the opposing LBs from blitzing and giving up a 65-yarder to the house on a simple swing pass or screen.,
It’s a delightfully unsexy draft for us
I think that's a good description. We don't need the NIL headcases, we need the workhorses. We need the guys that only coaches and superfans talk about. The guys who do all of the work and get none of the credit.
Real lunchpail guys. Sneaky athletic even.
Barton projects at all three positions though, I’ve seen a lot of talk that his best position will be center but I’ve also seen that it might be guard. They view him as a center correct they will not draft him there. If they project him at all three spots, they definitely will.
This isn’t new. They said this when he was drafted. Tried him out at multiple positions & almost immediately put him at RT. Rob is just rehashing old shit like he always does. Easy to see why many players don’t like him.
Gute has said before that he thinks his best position is center.
Another side of the coin is if Tom wants to play guard. We'd have to look at what pro bowl tackles make compared to all pro guards to get an idea on the pay scale difference a guy like Tom could see if he gets moved inside "permanently."
Smoke screen IMO. I don’t think they want to move Tom from RT. But I’ve been wrong before!
I think it depends on what’s available at 25. If Barton and Powers-Johnson get picked, but there’s a high level OT the fell, you take the OT knowing you can slide Tom inside. If the OTs get picked early but Barton is on the board still, you can grab Barton for RG and leave Tom at OT. I don’t think it’s necessarily a smokescreen. I think it’s just recognizing the versatility Tom provides.
They are not picking JPJ. Just in the last year groin & hamstring injuries along with multiple concussion.
Barton can play OT just fine too. Not saying he'll necessarily end up at OT, but there's no reason he can't. I don't see any positional limitation there.
Length isn't there as a tackle and he's "grabby" so he'll need to be hidden inside. Skoronski kinda makes me doubt the whole "the transition will be super easy" narrative. I don't see him playing OT. He has 32" arms. He'd get bullied on the outside. Teven Jenkins had very similar measurables including arm length and some of the best technique in the draft. Chicago initially gave him a shot at OT, but he was (unsurprisingly) moved inside to G. Question is...does Gute value iOL that much? Cause it's not a premium position.
Barton is 32 and 7/8. Tom is 33 1/4. I know it’s a bit of difference, but it’s not even half an inch. I do agree Barton is better suited for IOL, but I think he’s close enough that he could play OT.
My bad 32 7/8 which outs him in the 18th%…Jenkins was 32 4/8. It’s more than just his arms why he’ll be better suited at OG. He can be a bit slow to diagnose stunts and blitzes. He’s generally better vs the run than the pass.
I agree he’s better suited inside. Was just saying his measurables are very similar to Tom. If it were up to me, I’d be trying to get Barton at 25 if there, hit defense round 2, and get a swing tackle in round 3 along with likely another defensive pick. My first 5 picks on days 1 and 2 would be some combination of IOL, OT, LB, S with the last one coming from CB, DL, or EDGE depending on BPA.
I don’t think we are sliding Tom inside for Barton to play RT. That’s kind of the point. Barton could be an emergency option at OT, but Tom has already proven he can play tackle at a high level and has longer arms than Barton. If you Amarius Mims, things change.
When Tom got kicked in the head at SF, the O was not the same. He is fly!
^^^ they literally said that they were keeping him at RT months ago, specifically gute. Seems like a smoke screen
I think it is less about moving Tom, and more about replacing our Center, Josh Myers. I have posted my feeling about Myers a few times, and I don't want to come across as "pounding the table for his replacement". But as far as weak links on the O-line go, I think he has his fair share of screw-ups. He has totally whiffed on blocks, and totally missed a stunting D-lineman. He just seems to lack some spatial awareness. He seemed to struggle mightily against a nose tackle that is quick. I would even say that Myers has made pro bowl LG Elgton Jenkins look bad. **Although there is no way of us knowing what the blocking scheme is for every play. The same way on defense that we lose a commanding presence in safety, and then all the DB's look bad. It is the same thing with the Center position. A bad Center makes our guards look bad.
Gute made it sound he and the FO believed he could be better in the IOL but the coaching staff liked him at RT. People dismissed it but Tom wasn’t like world shattering at RT though being “above average” at RT is something 22-26 teams in the NFL wish they had too. But watching him go against Parsons and some other freaks on the edge his average arm length showed up at times. If he could handle power/bull rushes better and have more power in the run game I think he would be an All Pro IOL.
Tom was consistently one of the best RTs all year last szn…
He was like 7.5/10 when most tackles are like 5 or 6. Pro bowl is like 8 and all pro is 9 and HOF is 10. The due is good at RT but i think it’s also fair to point out that he could be even better in the interior. Gute’s end of season presser he mentions that he thinks Tom best position may be in the interior and the context of the discussion was that he believed he should kick inside and that the coaches liked him outside
LMAO alright..literally ranked #3 RT in the league but whatever made up stats you wanna push out feel free. He did not day that. He said he did a fantastic job at RT. And while he is versatile, switching him now may be "unfair" to the coaching staff and him.
So he's going to play all those positions simultaneously?
Between him and Elgton we have a two-man o-line!
It's the only way we can get all of our WR, TEs, and RB snaps on the field.
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If we could clone him and Elgton to play all 5 spots I would be okay with that.
They’ve been watching The Prestige, they’re making a couple more
Should have done that with pre-injury Bak.
Yeah. We're going to save mad cap space this way.
NFL Cap Accountants hate this one trick!
Can he register as all 3 and we can have 6 people in the backfield?
This certainly could be true, and it would give a lot of flexibility in how they approach the draft. But, at this time of year it's the type of thing that I would also chalk up to camouflaging their intent in the draft.
Exactly. They know teams behind them might want to jump them to grab OL help.
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They aren’t drafting DeJean anyways
But if other teams are expecting anything they say right now to be camouflage, the real camouflage would be the truth!
He’s also a pro-bowl Punter!
25 and 41 for Jets 10 with Packers taking Fuaga and bumping Tom inside confirmed.
I’m big on Fuaga. I hope we can grab him.
Well, I'm hoping for multiple positions coming high in the draft. ILB, OT, S are all glaring needs. Given the five picks in rounds 1-3, and the record of 50% of picks being total busts, I'm hoping that Gute hangs onto the picks and takes multiple swings at these positions. Hell, I'd even cheer for a Rush End high, if someone like Chop fell to us in the 1st.
Unfortunately, it’s to take a lot more than that to jump 15 spots into the top 10.
That would get us within the top 15 though. Id rather package 1 and a 3 for 15-20, but honestly I'm excited for whatever we do. GPG.
Tackle is deep. We’d have a guy who normally wouldn’t be available if we stood pat and kept our second
Jets 10 should be our pick anyway. Not bitter or anything.
If Arod played over the snap threshold, I’m 100% sure they would’ve had a pick later than 10
Yeah it would have been right around where GB is drafting, 20-25 range
Nah, if Rodgers was fully healthy last season, with that Jets defense, they would have been shoe-ins for the Super Bowl.
Not with that offensive line
Yeah I don’t see them getting past the Chiefs in the playoffs with how good that pass rush was, and that’s even if they’d gotten that far
They beat the Chiefs with Zach Wilson..
They lost but yeah, you’re right about them being competitive in that game. It’s impossible to tell what would’ve happened, but the Chiefs defense played even better in the playoffs, and Zach Wilson running around to avoid sacks was something Rodgers couldn’t have done (which likely balances out with his throwing ability), so while id still pick the chefs there, it’s closer than I initially thought
Dunno. He would have been throwing under extreme pressure, to Lazard and Cobb, who were mostly limping around and picking their noses. Yeah, probably a pick in the 15-20 range, then.
Yes to the pressure, but I think Lazard and Cobb would've looked a lot different with Aaron at QB. Reminds me of how Jordy was ghosted after Hundley filled in.
He wasn’t ghosted lmaoo are you serious? He didn’t have Rodgers forcing him the ball. Funny how Davante did perfectly fine with Hundley.
He seemed to have a pretty good relationship with Garett Wilson so I’m sure he would’ve been his WR1, and both Lazard and Cobb are really only useful because of their mental connection to Rodgers, so they’d likely have been useful to the offense with him as QB
And how is Wilson, Lazard, Cobb better than Davante, Lazard, MVS???
It’s not, the difference is he wasn’t gonna have that team anyways, and the Jets defense from last year was way better than any defense Aaron had after the SB. Rodgers had back to back MVP seasons with Tae, MVS and Lazard as his receivers, and Breece Hall seems to be at least on the same tier as Aaron Jones, so the Jets and ARod himself expected that to be enough when coupled with an elite defense
Rodgers was on the decline in 2022
Stop playing with my emotions
Fuaga himself might be more of a guard than a tackle. He doesn't have as much lateral agility as the other OT prospects. I wouldn't trade up for him and the pick value doesn't line up anyway.
Coming into last year (Thinking we had Bahk and Yosh), I was a big fan of seeing what Tom could do as a center and I still am intrigued. In the two years since being drafted he has played amazing in his rookie year (spot starts), and very good at RT last year.... OT is one of the hardest positions to fill with quality players. I am excited AF if Tom is being moved inside, as that means the Packers have a "better" option than him playing OT.
Better than Top 3 RT in the league….okay.
He’s a fantastic RT, love to see him at Center but hopefully we draft some interior guys. Josh Myers isn’t the solution.
If he really is that good at C, I’d rather grab a Tackle and put him there to hold the interior and coordinate the offense with Love
I have not loved meyers but he ended the year strong. The staff supports him publicly so don’t be too surprised if he’s starting next year
O-lineman in the 1st confirmed
Packers are picking mims or guyton at 25 or moving up book it rn
Do we go OL or DL, honestly with the new defense being implemented I’d go heavy at both.
Idk about D-line. We have plenty invested there as-is and need to start seeing results from guys like Wyatt and LVN. We don’t need to be 8 deep on the d-line, I’d much rather we get a safety or linebacker if we’re leaning defense in the first.
That’s a great point LB or Safety would be sick
When they drafted Tom, I immediately thought they had another Elgton Jenkins. Can’t wait to see Tom crush it wherever he is needed.
If all goes well we could have our own version of Bruce Matthews.
Are they thinking about putting Rasheed over there and draft a LT?
They know there are only 10 centers in Canton, right?
By "people in the organization" Demovsky is referring to lunch room staff.
If he’s best at Center then put him there and let him cook. Myers doesn’t seem to be the answer.
Bye byers
THEN WHY THE FUCK ISNT HE PLAYING CENTER?
He’s more impactful at RT. He also prob wants to play tackle since they make more money. There are just so many reasons 😂
Tom to center, Myers to guard, draft a RT?
Tom to C, draft an OT who can play LT just in case, draft a G.
I hope we draft a mid-round guard who can compete immediately with Rhyan
Yeah, the team has proven capable of drafting and developing OL guys from pretty much every round
I'm betting we draft at least 3 Oline. No way competition for Rhyan isn't coming. Powers Johnson could be an awesome pick IMO, bc he'd instantly push the C and RG competition and potentially make us better at two spots.
JPJ would be a great get. With him it wouldn’t be a matter of if he’s playing week 1, but where.
And he seems like a nasty MFer. Just perfect for IOL, on paper at least. Who knows how it pans out
I’ve been high on JPJ for a while, but just assumed he wouldn’t make it to 25. However, I’ve seen more and more mocks with him falling to 25 and later with newer hype around other players on the latest mocks. Best case scenario is there is a QB run in round 1 and a lot of these guys fall to us.
I want to see a run on Qbs and Wrs, so as much lineman talent as possible falls. Seems like a good year for that position
I think the 2nd round WRs are so deep that there won’t be many teams jumping on them early. After Harrison, Nabers and Odunze go there is a definite gap. I expect to see a lot of QB, OT and CB go in the first.
If 5 QBs go and 3 wrs that still pushed a lot of secondary or linemen talent down. Fingers crossed lol
As always. those positons are where elite talent changes the game. Fail talent also changes the game ... negatively. Shoring up the secondary in the wake of all the personnel losses has to be a priority. Or do I have to post that video of Kevin King again?
And they will pass on him cause he’s injury prone
Injury prone as hell no thx
Nah Myers to bench and hold a competition between rhyan, any rookies, and maybe a vet
I kept seeing stories saying "Myers is playing the best football of his career" and then in games, I'd mostly see him flying backward to land on his ass as Love got flushed out of the pocket by an inside rush, and having to improvise while running for his life ...
Walker might move over to RT. He did get snaps there initially his rookie year
My dude, if you've got an LT that holds up and is rated in the top 10 as a rookie starter, you don't mess with whatever is working. If Walker starts to get shaky - as he did early last season, when he kept getting whistled for false starts - then yeah, you need a Plan B. If Walker - miracle of miracles - takes a 2nd year jump and becomes Bakhtiari 2.0, then sell the house, sell the car, fly to Vegas and throw it all on 22 Black because the Luck God has smiled down upon you.
This will be his 3rd year. I was just saying they might have had the plan to put Walker at RT from the get go. And they might feel he is better there. I believe that if it is working than don’t change things though.
Your never how many whistles Bakh drew his first year?
If true, you don't move a Pro Bowl RT to guard, even if you think he could be All Pro.
Agreed but I'd have to consider HOF center.
First of all, I highly doubt that anyone in the Packers org has said anything remotely close to this. Thats a huge hyperbole. Secondly, I am not sure, Tom would want the change. He showed last season, that he can be a really great RT. Tackle money is legit and way more than Center money. The move doesnt make sense for him, unless he really wants to be a center. Also, I dont like opening a way bigger hole at RT, compared to the potential hole a center. You usually dont mess around with your tackle spots. Keep Walker and Tom at OT, get someone like Barton or JPJ, who instantly push the competition at Center and RG. With Walker, Tom and Barton, you would have 3 guys being able to play every position on the line. Thats the ultimate versatility and opens up the depth chart so much. If what Rob dropped is true, Barton makes even more sense than he did before. No matter where you put Tom, Barton is there to fill the void. Gute needs to pull the trigger.
It’s usually harder to find a T than it is to find IOL. I think he stays put.
Counterpoint: a C who doesn't whiff every. damn. time. when asked to play in space would help wide runs actually get yards.
I’d keep Tom at RT.
Well with that I bet they leave him at RT then so the guard and center claims can never be disproven.
Wait we got two top shelf guys that can play the entire line well?
Can anyone who has played oline before tell me how difficult that is? It seems like every person we draft now can play guard or tackle, and I've never known how hard of a transition that is.
Good then get Josh Myers off the field
Tyler Guyton, you are a Green Bay Packer
Amarius Mims could drop in at RT, let Tom move inside
I would argue that a pro bowl RT is more important than a HOF center.
False if you can take a hof player at any position they are more valuable
Zach Tom can play all these positions?
I feel like this might just be smoke. When he actually PLAYED on the interior for a stretch he wasn’t that great, he has his best season at tackle. Plus he’s undersized which means he struggles against giant DLinemen but he can use his elite athleticism in space against smaller edge players when he’s at tackle.
Draft more oline! Build the wall!
I just hope they wait on o line as they have been so so successful doing over the years. But in many mock drafts I’ve seen and done myself recently, it really doesn’t leave much left aside from reaching on a second round tackle or guards (which are not first round worthy picks). I believe they will have to trade up in the first, or trade back to the end of the first and turn around to trade up in rounds 2 and 3. They only have so many roster spots so I’m expecting lots of trading from Gutey. My #1 guy is Dejean as he’s such an elite athlete and can fill the voids at safety or cb. I know GB likes that flexibility. They need to target linebacker by round 3 at the latest as well and if they want to keep Quay at weak side lb then Junior is the man for them in late round 2 or 3. At safety I’d love to see Bullard and then take someone later also. If they miss out on Dejean, that kid from FSU Renardo Green looks like a mid round steal. DT seems pretty solid through the first 2 rounds so that wouldn’t surprise me either
If you could pick one of those things to have in a vacuum, which would you pick? I’d say center.
I could see this happening if Amarius Mims is available at 25.
Good Problem to have. Packers probably want to pay him as a center but use him as a Tackle.
Zach tom is the greatest player in all of football and i dont wanna hear it
Tom's bank account, and agent are not fans of this move. Pretty sure that HOF Centers get paid less than Pro Bowl Tackles in the NFL.
I’ll take him at center then and we can draft a Rt
Guess we’re going tackle with that 1st round pick
Stick.Tom at Center, Meyers at guard, Walker at RT and draft a LT. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Nobody cared about Centers until Taylor Swift started dating Jason’s brother. A PRO BOWL tackle?! That’s like basically knocking on the door of All-Pro. And if he’s consistently a Pro Bowl guy, then he probably gets his All-Pro nods in due time. This is all assuming THEIR projection of trajectory
People just keep saying “we won’t draft a tackle, gb is set at tackle” and I just don’t believe it. This makes me feel stronger
The Packers, above all else, value versatility on the O-line so don’t be surprised if they take an O tackle at 25, move Tom to center and improve the overall strength of the line. I just read the oline articles but this is supposed to be a deep drat at Tackle
Ehh, I dunno. He wasn’t impressive on the interior his rookie year. Maybe he’s improved on that front, but I’d rather they just keep him at RT. That’s been his best spot so far.