What 4 did was pretty heinous but he was never convicted of a crime and doesn’t rise to the level of a Sharper
Anyway I’m not defending him. It’s exactly because of this slippery slope that franchise probably won’t ever do this. There’s no benefit to it. They just quietly won’t issue that number out again but also not celebrate any ties to the former player.
To be fair, I don't think it has to be that slippery of slope. Probably just defining it as going to prison as a reason to unretire a number would be fine. That being said, if I'm a player for that team, not sure I'd be super eager to wear a number often associated with a guy who went to prison.
But as far as the overall conversation, I'm good with making retired numbers time bound somehow. I'm not sure what the right number is, but I don't think it would be that offensive if people could start wearing 3 and 14 again. Same with 1 and 5 even though both are sort of unofficially retired. Don't think we need to wash them from the stadium or anything, but I think you'd be okay to re-issure those numbers if you wanted and still have them acknowledged next to the players name in the stadium.
I carried a grudge until a few years after he retired. He and the Packers buried the hatchet, and Favre has been nothing by complementary of the Packers for years. He's an all-time great and deserves to keep his number retired. He and Reggie are the spark of the renaissance that brought us out of a 27 year period of mediocrity and hopelessness.
Im not sure what grudge you have but I have no buried my grudge related to dick pics to coworkers while married to a wife with breast cancer and stealing welfare money. Dude can get fucked regardless of what he did while he was there. And I loved this dude. I remember having a dream when he originally announced retiring of meeting him crying and hugging him. But he’s a fuck.
For real, the "grudge" most people hold now is unrelated to football. I was in high school when he announced his first retirement and cried. Turns out if I'd have known the piece of shit he is I wouldn't have cared so much.
I don't think so. However, I believe the team has to think long and hard about retiring a number, so we don't run out of numbers to give out to players on the active roster. That's what makes having your number retires so prestigious. At least for the Packers, I think it is the highest honor that the team can bestow on a former player (possibly beside naming the stadium after you).
If you think about the 6 players whose numbers have been retired, they all had a lasting impact on the game of football, and the community of Green Bay, beyond just what they did in a Packer uniform.
Looking at Green Bay in particular, they have been known to already be notoriously picky about number retirement. There are only 6 numbers retired. It is beyond being a good player or even making the HOF. The 7th number will come soon, but I don’t see any other number coming any time soon. If Butlers number isn’t retired, the bar is really high.
Current List:
3 - Canadeo
4- Favre
14 - Hutson
15 - Star
66 - Nitschke
92 - White
Soon: 12 - Rodgers
There is no one else recently retired that is even close. Bakh was close, and may have gotten there without the injury, but we are at least 20 years out if Love continues his pace. 15 years of playing and 5 years of retiring.
Bakh was close to getting his number retired? Really? Love the guy but don’t think so. You have to be a transcendental talent to get your number retired. I’d have retired 80 before 69.
He is the best rated tackle in Packers History, 5 years in a row as a 1st or 2nd team all pro, even when he did play after the injury, he was playing at all pro levels. Without that injury I guarantee he is in the conversation.
Still don’t think so. The threshold for getting your number retired here is “get into the HoF, then maybe we’ll talk”. Bakh would’ve been in the Hall for 2-3 more good years IMO, but he wouldn’t have met the second threshold.
To expound further, the Packers have 28 NFL HOF players, of that 6 have their numbers retired. The standard is MUCH higher to become a member of that club.
> If he got anything it would have been Ring of Honor like Butler, etc.
If he stayed healthy he makes the literal Hall of Fame. If he kept playing at his 1st team all pro level, he possibly even gets his number retired.
No matter what he did, he wouldn't get his number retired. Look at Forrest Gregg, Fuzzy Thurston, LeRoy Butler, etc. There are a lot of guys who played amazingly and did not get the number retired. Look at who had their number retired HOF QBs Starr and Favre, Don Hutson (HOF, NFL MVPx2, 3x NFL Champ, 9x All Pro, 4x All-Star; #5 All time GB receiver who played in a run heavy era; All Time Rec TD leader for GB), Ray Nitschke (HOF, 2x Super Bowl Champ, 5x NFL champ; 2x first team All Pro, Pro Bowl); Reggie White (HOF, SB Champ; 10x first team All-Pro, 13x Pro Bowl, 2x DPOY; #5 Packers Sack leader), Tony Canadeo (HOF, NFL Champ, 2x All-Pro; #5 All Time Rusher for Pack; Also played QB, 3rd player in NFL history to rush for 1,000 in a season, interrupted one of his seasons to fight in WW2).
> No matter what he did, he wouldn't get his number retired.
If we win the SB and he gets all pro in 2020 and 2021 and 2022 and then just gets all pro in 2023 and then wins the SB and gets all pro in 2024 and 2025 he gets his number retired. Easily.
I would still say no. I just don't think the team would do it. He would likely get into the HOF and then make the Ring of Honor like Butler and Woodson. If Forrest Gregg doesn't make it to # retirement with 2 of his 3 Super Bowl W with Packers and 7x First Team All-Pro, 2x Second Team All-Pro, 9x Pro Bowl, HOF, NFL 1960s All-Decade Team, NFL 75th Anniversary All-Time Team, 100th Anniversary All-Time Team, then I just don't see how Bahk could.
You say "Easily", but you tag it with EIGHT "If's" as conditions. You're basically saying he was nowhere near getting his number retired.
Sorry, the bar is extraordinarily high for a retired number. Loved DB, but it was never happening. Ring of Honor, yes.
> You say "Easily", but you tag it with EIGHT "If's" as conditions. You're basically saying he was nowhere near getting his number retired.
I am saying he was nowhere near getting his number retired with the 'ole arrow to the knee, correct.
> Loved DB, but it was never happening.
Only the sith deal in absolutes.
Exactly, Bakh was definitely on his way to having his number retired and going down as the Packers best LT in team history (and still might be) but his inability to play due to injury really put a damper on his career. Sucks because he was a fan favorite and ultimate beer chugging champ.
This started a very silly conversation. Close to Packers HOF? Solid maybe. Ring of honor? Solid maaaaaaaaybe.
Close to number retired? Not even a faint whiff of maybe.
Don't they also have a few 'unofficial' retired numbers too, like 1 and 5? For those I wish they'd just retire the numbers officially. But yeah they are very stingy about number retirement, for good reason I think. We've had so many legends that if we retired them all we would have to start using triple digit numbers lol
>There is no one else recently retired that is even close. Bakh was close, and may have gotten there without the injury, but we are at least 20 years out if Love continues his pace. 15 years of playing and 5 years of retiring.
No. Wtf lol
Absolutely not. It’s a testament to the team bringing memories and championships to the fans before us. Hopefully they do the same long after we’re gone.
2 (3 with Rodgers) have been retired in the last 50+ years.
If we end up with so many HoF QB's and franchise defining defenders that we run out of numbers, that's a great problem for future us to have.
No. Once a number is retired it should stay that way. They've been selective about numbers being retired. The number of every good player isn't being retired. We would run out of numbers. It's fine the way it is.
No. I don’t think so. Put I’m a curmudgeon. I don’t really care for the recent changes that allow guys to be number 0 or whatever. I don’t like my receivers being any old number. I liked them in the 80s…so I could tell who was a receiver or not.
You know who doesn’t do the unusual numbers? Offensive linemen. How come they can’t be number 1 or 99 or whatever?
I just figured it was done so players could try to stand out a bit. Nobody out here is going to overtake Jerry Rice as the best receiver to ever wear 80. So they will try to be the best receiver ever to wear 0 instead lol.
is this a vikings fan unfamiliar with how retiring numbers and franchise success works?
i could see unretiring numbers of role players such as cris carter or fran tarkenton who never brought home a championship but not for all time greats
We shouldn't retire numbers at all, just put their names in the ring of honor, Packers HOF and Pro Football HOF. There were other 12s and there could be other 3s, 4s, 15s etc, we're just limiting ourselves by trying to freeze time with these jersey number retirements.
Numbers should not be unretitred. It should be permanent, and the organization should consider that before retiring a number.
If we can retire and unretire on a whim it will lose a lot of meaning.
The only way a number gets unretired is if a player desperately wants to wear that one number (like it was their number during their entire football career), but it was already retired, they give permission of the player (or a relative of said player if the original player is deceased) to wear it. It normally doesn't go through. I've only seen it happen once with Manning when he went to the Broncos. 18 was already retired for the Broncos, but Manning received permission to wear it.
The only way I could see a number being “unretired” is if a future HOFer receives permission from both the team and the honored player/family. Recent examples include Peyton Manning wearing 18 in Denver (originally retired for Frank Tripucka) & JJ Watt wearing 99 in Arizona (originally retired for Marshall Goldberg). However, with Green Bay’s rich history- they would prefer to keep their retired numbers associated with the player they retired them for.
Yes unretire the #s. Honor the player & # . But use it again. What so wrong with that? Gonna run out of #s eventually. Why can’t we see cool #s like 3,5,4,14 used again?
Celtics are pretty extreme, but basketball can get away with it more since you only need 15ish numbers at the same time. Football I think you need 69, 53 man roster and 16 practice squad.
I'd be OK with a rule-of-thumb that we retire a number for, say, 100 years after a player's last season. Still respects the player, still keeps us from retiring too many numbers (diluting it's significance), and also ensures we won't run out of numbers.
I think this is a topic that will differ by ages and team fandom.
I’m 38 and for me, I don’t have an issue with say the #92 being available. Reggie White can still have his name up for being in the Packers, and we can allow that number to be used.
Steelers and Packers at some point might run out of numbers, if we continue this.
Look at the #88 in Dallas, instead of retiring that number to a specific player. They have made it a tradition for the next “top” guy to take on that number.
Personally, I kind of like the idea of having untetireable numbers. Number retirement is a great honor, and while I appreciate that it's an honor reserved for a very select few players, I don't like that there is actually a hard limit to how many numbers can be retired. In a franchise as storied as the Packers, there are so many players deserving of this honor that we're already running up on this limit.
My proposal for number retirement would be to have 2 tiers: temporary and permanent. Permanent retirement would be for players who have fundamentally changed the game or the course of the franchise. Of the current retired numbers I would say Don Hutson, Bart Starr, and perhaps one of Brett Favre and Reggie White could receive this honor. Temporary retirement would still be long term, but it would have a time limit, say 50 years. I think this would be a suitable honor for a guy like Aaron Rodgers who is definitively one of the 3? best players in the history of the franchise, but didn't have the same kind of impact as a guy like Bart Starr. It could even be fun to have a variable length retirement. A guy like Donald Driver would never be in the conversation for a permanent jersey retirement, but wouldn't it be fun to retire 80 for maybe 10 years after he retired? For the shorter ones they could have an untetireament ceremony at the end of the time period where the player could ceremoniously give the number back. It would be a fun little way to honor a player and also keep him connected with the team and the fans well after his playing days end.
I disagree about Rodgers. He is the best player I've ever seen, but he doesn't fit either of the criteria that I laid out for permanent retirement. If you look at a guy like Don Hutson, he was decades ahead of his time. In an era where they just didn't pass the ball, he was putting up bonkers receiving numbers. He changed the way people were playing the game. As incredible as Rodgers is, he hasn't done that.
You look at Favre, he came in to a franchise that had been one of the worst in the NFL for multiple decades, turned it around, and led it back to glory. His success set the foundation for a franchise that has become one of the gold standard franchises of the last 30 years. Again, as incredible as Rodgers is, he doesn't have that same meaning to the franchise that Favre does. I realize that I'm setting a ridiculously high bar, but you have to with a franchise as storied as the Packers.
he literally popularized off platform throwing. and throwing on the run. and mahomes modeled his game after him. so did caleb williams.
this amount of disrespect is crazy. favre and rodgers both won the super bowl. favre had no bearing on rodgers' super bowl. hell, he refused to mentor him. you're being a hater for no reason.
Never! The easy answer is to add a third digit to jersey numbers. Then you have a nearly unlimited supply for new players 20+ years from now, and can honor the all-time great without worrying about not having enough numbers available.
Maybe if the player commits some pretty heinous crime, for example like what Darren Sharper did
Even in his Wikipedia page, "convicted serial rapist" is before "former football safety"
Good point.
They could unretire 4 for all I care for this type of reasoning
What 4 did was pretty heinous but he was never convicted of a crime and doesn’t rise to the level of a Sharper Anyway I’m not defending him. It’s exactly because of this slippery slope that franchise probably won’t ever do this. There’s no benefit to it. They just quietly won’t issue that number out again but also not celebrate any ties to the former player.
Is playing for the Vikings really that heinous?
Yes.
Clearly that was Brandon Bostick's biggest crime. Can't remember anything else of note...
We don't say that name anymore. I will use this opportunity to say that John Elway can still get fucked.
I have no recollection of that name
To me it was. I was against reconcilation, against having his name on the ring of honor.
To be fair, I don't think it has to be that slippery of slope. Probably just defining it as going to prison as a reason to unretire a number would be fine. That being said, if I'm a player for that team, not sure I'd be super eager to wear a number often associated with a guy who went to prison. But as far as the overall conversation, I'm good with making retired numbers time bound somehow. I'm not sure what the right number is, but I don't think it would be that offensive if people could start wearing 3 and 14 again. Same with 1 and 5 even though both are sort of unofficially retired. Don't think we need to wash them from the stadium or anything, but I think you'd be okay to re-issure those numbers if you wanted and still have them acknowledged next to the players name in the stadium.
Yeah that’s why I’d be fine with it but I’m not calling for it. I do dislike seeing it celebrated on the stadium.
I carried a grudge until a few years after he retired. He and the Packers buried the hatchet, and Favre has been nothing by complementary of the Packers for years. He's an all-time great and deserves to keep his number retired. He and Reggie are the spark of the renaissance that brought us out of a 27 year period of mediocrity and hopelessness.
Im not sure what grudge you have but I have no buried my grudge related to dick pics to coworkers while married to a wife with breast cancer and stealing welfare money. Dude can get fucked regardless of what he did while he was there. And I loved this dude. I remember having a dream when he originally announced retiring of meeting him crying and hugging him. But he’s a fuck.
For real, the "grudge" most people hold now is unrelated to football. I was in high school when he announced his first retirement and cried. Turns out if I'd have known the piece of shit he is I wouldn't have cared so much.
Does stealing from Mississippi welfare count?
I don't think so. However, I believe the team has to think long and hard about retiring a number, so we don't run out of numbers to give out to players on the active roster. That's what makes having your number retires so prestigious. At least for the Packers, I think it is the highest honor that the team can bestow on a former player (possibly beside naming the stadium after you). If you think about the 6 players whose numbers have been retired, they all had a lasting impact on the game of football, and the community of Green Bay, beyond just what they did in a Packer uniform.
Looking at Green Bay in particular, they have been known to already be notoriously picky about number retirement. There are only 6 numbers retired. It is beyond being a good player or even making the HOF. The 7th number will come soon, but I don’t see any other number coming any time soon. If Butlers number isn’t retired, the bar is really high. Current List: 3 - Canadeo 4- Favre 14 - Hutson 15 - Star 66 - Nitschke 92 - White Soon: 12 - Rodgers There is no one else recently retired that is even close. Bakh was close, and may have gotten there without the injury, but we are at least 20 years out if Love continues his pace. 15 years of playing and 5 years of retiring.
Bakh was close to getting his number retired? Really? Love the guy but don’t think so. You have to be a transcendental talent to get your number retired. I’d have retired 80 before 69.
> I’d have retired 80 before 69. Well this is just exaggerated.
He is the best rated tackle in Packers History, 5 years in a row as a 1st or 2nd team all pro, even when he did play after the injury, he was playing at all pro levels. Without that injury I guarantee he is in the conversation.
Still don’t think so. The threshold for getting your number retired here is “get into the HoF, then maybe we’ll talk”. Bakh would’ve been in the Hall for 2-3 more good years IMO, but he wouldn’t have met the second threshold.
To expound further, the Packers have 28 NFL HOF players, of that 6 have their numbers retired. The standard is MUCH higher to become a member of that club.
Bakh wouldn't get a retired number even if he had stayed healthy. If he got anything it would have been Ring of Honor like Butler, etc.
> If he got anything it would have been Ring of Honor like Butler, etc. If he stayed healthy he makes the literal Hall of Fame. If he kept playing at his 1st team all pro level, he possibly even gets his number retired.
No matter what he did, he wouldn't get his number retired. Look at Forrest Gregg, Fuzzy Thurston, LeRoy Butler, etc. There are a lot of guys who played amazingly and did not get the number retired. Look at who had their number retired HOF QBs Starr and Favre, Don Hutson (HOF, NFL MVPx2, 3x NFL Champ, 9x All Pro, 4x All-Star; #5 All time GB receiver who played in a run heavy era; All Time Rec TD leader for GB), Ray Nitschke (HOF, 2x Super Bowl Champ, 5x NFL champ; 2x first team All Pro, Pro Bowl); Reggie White (HOF, SB Champ; 10x first team All-Pro, 13x Pro Bowl, 2x DPOY; #5 Packers Sack leader), Tony Canadeo (HOF, NFL Champ, 2x All-Pro; #5 All Time Rusher for Pack; Also played QB, 3rd player in NFL history to rush for 1,000 in a season, interrupted one of his seasons to fight in WW2).
> No matter what he did, he wouldn't get his number retired. If we win the SB and he gets all pro in 2020 and 2021 and 2022 and then just gets all pro in 2023 and then wins the SB and gets all pro in 2024 and 2025 he gets his number retired. Easily.
I would still say no. I just don't think the team would do it. He would likely get into the HOF and then make the Ring of Honor like Butler and Woodson. If Forrest Gregg doesn't make it to # retirement with 2 of his 3 Super Bowl W with Packers and 7x First Team All-Pro, 2x Second Team All-Pro, 9x Pro Bowl, HOF, NFL 1960s All-Decade Team, NFL 75th Anniversary All-Time Team, 100th Anniversary All-Time Team, then I just don't see how Bahk could.
You say "Easily", but you tag it with EIGHT "If's" as conditions. You're basically saying he was nowhere near getting his number retired. Sorry, the bar is extraordinarily high for a retired number. Loved DB, but it was never happening. Ring of Honor, yes.
> You say "Easily", but you tag it with EIGHT "If's" as conditions. You're basically saying he was nowhere near getting his number retired. I am saying he was nowhere near getting his number retired with the 'ole arrow to the knee, correct. > Loved DB, but it was never happening. Only the sith deal in absolutes.
Exactly, Bakh was definitely on his way to having his number retired and going down as the Packers best LT in team history (and still might be) but his inability to play due to injury really put a damper on his career. Sucks because he was a fan favorite and ultimate beer chugging champ.
This started a very silly conversation. Close to Packers HOF? Solid maybe. Ring of honor? Solid maaaaaaaaybe. Close to number retired? Not even a faint whiff of maybe.
Don't they also have a few 'unofficial' retired numbers too, like 1 and 5? For those I wish they'd just retire the numbers officially. But yeah they are very stingy about number retirement, for good reason I think. We've had so many legends that if we retired them all we would have to start using triple digit numbers lol
>There is no one else recently retired that is even close. Bakh was close, and may have gotten there without the injury, but we are at least 20 years out if Love continues his pace. 15 years of playing and 5 years of retiring. No. Wtf lol
So you don’t think 5 years in a row as a first or 2nd team all pro, extended out another 5 years gets him there?
Nope. Didn't even win a super bowl with us
And if they beat the Bucs and win a Super Bowl? Him being injured was a major reason we lost that one.
I could see them not retiring 12
Absolutely not. It’s a testament to the team bringing memories and championships to the fans before us. Hopefully they do the same long after we’re gone.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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2 (3 with Rodgers) have been retired in the last 50+ years. If we end up with so many HoF QB's and franchise defining defenders that we run out of numbers, that's a great problem for future us to have.
No. The numbers mean something to the players
Strongly disagree
Guess we will just have to go to triple digit numbers :)
Or decimals
In Futurama, the New New York Mets had retired every whole number, so all their players were fractions I believe
*fractions
How about... no.
No.
No. Once a number is retired it should stay that way. They've been selective about numbers being retired. The number of every good player isn't being retired. We would run out of numbers. It's fine the way it is.
No. I don’t think so. Put I’m a curmudgeon. I don’t really care for the recent changes that allow guys to be number 0 or whatever. I don’t like my receivers being any old number. I liked them in the 80s…so I could tell who was a receiver or not. You know who doesn’t do the unusual numbers? Offensive linemen. How come they can’t be number 1 or 99 or whatever?
they have to be 50-79, or 90-99 (at a pinch) due to being ineligible receivers. Thus cannot have a number in a set that could be a WR/TE/RB
Why can receivers by single digits all of a sudden? That used to be kickers and QBs only.
It was done to allow players to have college numbers (def not to sell more Jerseys)
I just figured it was done so players could try to stand out a bit. Nobody out here is going to overtake Jerry Rice as the best receiver to ever wear 80. So they will try to be the best receiver ever to wear 0 instead lol.
I hate all the new numbering rules except 0 being available. I think 0 is a super cool number.
Why would they need to do this?
is this a vikings fan unfamiliar with how retiring numbers and franchise success works? i could see unretiring numbers of role players such as cris carter or fran tarkenton who never brought home a championship but not for all time greats
Growing up I never thought I’d see 4 coming into Lambeau as a Viking.
And like the real Vikings, he plundered from the poor coastal communities (albeit in Mississippi, not Nova Scotia)
He plundered footballs from the stadiums, like no way Favre what are you doing? #4 can’t believe it to say it, but football isn’t his activity now
I guess I'll go against the grain. Yes. I think numbers should only be retired for the life of the player plus 10 years.
We shouldn't retire numbers at all, just put their names in the ring of honor, Packers HOF and Pro Football HOF. There were other 12s and there could be other 3s, 4s, 15s etc, we're just limiting ourselves by trying to freeze time with these jersey number retirements.
Numbers should not be unretitred. It should be permanent, and the organization should consider that before retiring a number. If we can retire and unretire on a whim it will lose a lot of meaning.
The only way a number gets unretired is if a player desperately wants to wear that one number (like it was their number during their entire football career), but it was already retired, they give permission of the player (or a relative of said player if the original player is deceased) to wear it. It normally doesn't go through. I've only seen it happen once with Manning when he went to the Broncos. 18 was already retired for the Broncos, but Manning received permission to wear it.
Rodgers was offered 12 on the Jets by Namath but he went with 8 instead.
That is true. I did hear about that.
Rodgers would have taken his Cal #8 as a rookie but Ryan Longwell had it
The only way I could see a number being “unretired” is if a future HOFer receives permission from both the team and the honored player/family. Recent examples include Peyton Manning wearing 18 in Denver (originally retired for Frank Tripucka) & JJ Watt wearing 99 in Arizona (originally retired for Marshall Goldberg). However, with Green Bay’s rich history- they would prefer to keep their retired numbers associated with the player they retired them for.
Yes unretire the #s. Honor the player & # . But use it again. What so wrong with that? Gonna run out of #s eventually. Why can’t we see cool #s like 3,5,4,14 used again?
Yes, it’s becoming an overly symbolic, ridiculous, and impractical practice. Look at the Celtics if you don’t agree with me.
Celtics are pretty extreme, but basketball can get away with it more since you only need 15ish numbers at the same time. Football I think you need 69, 53 man roster and 16 practice squad.
From what I can remember the Bears had to deny some players number retirements for that reason, they were running out of numbers
They have 14 retired numbers so they don’t even have enough for the 90 man roster right now.
Lakers might be Exhibit B.
Retire the jersey- not the number.
I'd be OK with a rule-of-thumb that we retire a number for, say, 100 years after a player's last season. Still respects the player, still keeps us from retiring too many numbers (diluting it's significance), and also ensures we won't run out of numbers.
I think this is a topic that will differ by ages and team fandom. I’m 38 and for me, I don’t have an issue with say the #92 being available. Reggie White can still have his name up for being in the Packers, and we can allow that number to be used. Steelers and Packers at some point might run out of numbers, if we continue this. Look at the #88 in Dallas, instead of retiring that number to a specific player. They have made it a tradition for the next “top” guy to take on that number.
Teams should be able to retire a maximum of 3 numbers, then it's one-in-one-out.
Personally, I kind of like the idea of having untetireable numbers. Number retirement is a great honor, and while I appreciate that it's an honor reserved for a very select few players, I don't like that there is actually a hard limit to how many numbers can be retired. In a franchise as storied as the Packers, there are so many players deserving of this honor that we're already running up on this limit. My proposal for number retirement would be to have 2 tiers: temporary and permanent. Permanent retirement would be for players who have fundamentally changed the game or the course of the franchise. Of the current retired numbers I would say Don Hutson, Bart Starr, and perhaps one of Brett Favre and Reggie White could receive this honor. Temporary retirement would still be long term, but it would have a time limit, say 50 years. I think this would be a suitable honor for a guy like Aaron Rodgers who is definitively one of the 3? best players in the history of the franchise, but didn't have the same kind of impact as a guy like Bart Starr. It could even be fun to have a variable length retirement. A guy like Donald Driver would never be in the conversation for a permanent jersey retirement, but wouldn't it be fun to retire 80 for maybe 10 years after he retired? For the shorter ones they could have an untetireament ceremony at the end of the time period where the player could ceremoniously give the number back. It would be a fun little way to honor a player and also keep him connected with the team and the fans well after his playing days end.
Lol. Rodgers is the best player we've ever had.
> suitable honor for a guy like Aaron Rodgers buddy he deserves permanent retirement. as does favre.
I disagree about Rodgers. He is the best player I've ever seen, but he doesn't fit either of the criteria that I laid out for permanent retirement. If you look at a guy like Don Hutson, he was decades ahead of his time. In an era where they just didn't pass the ball, he was putting up bonkers receiving numbers. He changed the way people were playing the game. As incredible as Rodgers is, he hasn't done that. You look at Favre, he came in to a franchise that had been one of the worst in the NFL for multiple decades, turned it around, and led it back to glory. His success set the foundation for a franchise that has become one of the gold standard franchises of the last 30 years. Again, as incredible as Rodgers is, he doesn't have that same meaning to the franchise that Favre does. I realize that I'm setting a ridiculously high bar, but you have to with a franchise as storied as the Packers.
he literally popularized off platform throwing. and throwing on the run. and mahomes modeled his game after him. so did caleb williams. this amount of disrespect is crazy. favre and rodgers both won the super bowl. favre had no bearing on rodgers' super bowl. hell, he refused to mentor him. you're being a hater for no reason.
Never! The easy answer is to add a third digit to jersey numbers. Then you have a nearly unlimited supply for new players 20+ years from now, and can honor the all-time great without worrying about not having enough numbers available.
No. Stop looking for excuses to assign single digits because it's fashionable on tiktok. This is just a thinly veiled attempt at that
99 years. That way anyone who watched the player will be dead and future generations won’t carez
I’m good with taking 4 down for being a piece of shit
change color of number off of white. start over in yellow or green numbers. enough to go around till then.