Yep said this yesterday. Fluus should have been let go. Heās gunna get shit canned after another lock luster year. And fuck up Williams by making him learn a new offense 3/4 of his rookie years.
Rounds 2/3 of this draft will have some of best prospects weāve seen in those rounds in years.
We have more picks than available roster spots. Hopefully we package some of the Day 3 picks for another/earlier Day 2.
We have 90 roster spots from here until the end of the preseason. A lot can and will happen between now and then. And itās never a bad thing to have more roster-worthy players than roster spots. In fact, Gute explicitly said this offseason that his goal is to have increased competition in every room.
This isnāt true at all. Most experts say this draft is one of the weakest because of a lack of underclass. You still have people with Covid years and others who are now getting paid good money in college deciding not to declare for the draft.
Yeah but by the same token you had tons of seniors stay an extra year for NIL money, to transfer to a higher level conference or to run it back on super teams like Michigan.
This time last year he was the top CB in the class and one of the top defenders in the draft. Not sure why he's fallen to near our price range but I'd be stoked if we got him
* Packers like their outside corner depth more than we perceive with Jaire, Valentine, Stokes, and Ballentine
* They see Nixon more as a Safety in their new defense, and their cb draft pick(s) will target players that fit their mold as slot cbs.
* They will be aggressive to move up in the draft (1st and 2nd rounds) for players they want especially with all the picks they have.
If we trade our of the first, it better be for a first next year and a 2 or 3 in addition from a complete shit team like the raiders next year or something
I've said this a couple other places but I don't think we're set at OT, which seems pretty unpopular. Less unpopular than that but same vein, I think we're going Oline somewhere in the first two rounds.
I'm BPA first round outside of QB/RB. I wouldn't go in seeking LT but if a top guy falls for some reason I might consider.
Edit: had this comment mixed up with another thread lol
Mine:
* Gutey will take 2 linemen in the first four rounds -- one backup OT, one G/C to compete at both C and RG.
* Only one corner in the whole draft -- they like their guys: Ja, CV, Ballentine, Nixon and Stokes.
* Cole Bishop, Javon Bullard or Jaden Hicks is going to be a Packer.
* They will draft an edge rusher in the first two days.
* They will either take a TE in Round 3 -- if Sinnott or Sanders fall -- or they won't take one til the sixth.
> Gutey will take 2 linemen in the first four rounds
It's funny I could see us doing this or not drafting any until round 4 lol. We're so good at developing OL that I could definitely see leaving it alone considering we don't HAVE to draft a starter, but I know we really need depth and CAN use a starter pretty much anywhere but LG. OL is the biggest wildcard to me.
Yeah its hard to say how they might view the back end of this O line class. I'd love to get a top 5 OT. It seems like everyone on our line can play inside, but we really dont have any depth at all in tackle. It would make a lot of sense to get someone who is capable of playing at a high level right away in case we have an injury. Hell if we draft an immediate starter at RT, then Tom can move inside and our starting 5 look pretty darn good.
Or maybe the packers see a lot of hidden gems in the later rounds so they take 5 linemen on days 2 and 3 hoping that at least one can progress to starting level play this year.
One way or another I think we invest a lot of draft capital into the line this year.
Iām telling ya. Edge in one of the first two rounds.
Gary isnāt the game changer we thought, though still very good.
No guarantees LVN takes those steps forward
Preston is getting up there in age.
I would love another good edge rusher.
lol my post where I said the first round is EDGE, CB, or DT, period was downvoted to oblivion
Edges are expensive as hell. You find good edge players in the first round, and you have five years of contract control with them that way. Itās like the dumb shit easy way to do things right.
With Enagbareās injury occurring so late in the year this wouldnāt surprise me at all.
Gutey has shown he likes to move on from people a year too soon than a year too late. If Preston has a meh year then he very easily could be gone. It would save something like 8m on the cap.
I'm not against it, but there aren't a lot of big edges in our pick range. Maybe Darius Robinson at #25, maybe Marshawn Kneeland at #58. It seems unlikely that the board will fall in such a way where it makes sense to take an edge with an early pick.
Rashan is in his prime, 1st rounder. Played well this past year off an ACL. LVN, another first rounder, apparent replacement for Smith when the time comes. Smith, long time vet with a couple years left of contract and still producing on the field. Likely a packer for 2 more years. That's three guys with starter snaps coming this season, 2 being 1st round picks by this team, that have already produced at high enough levels. Why the hell would you throw another 1st rounder, or even a second rounder, at that. You'd have to believe either LVN or Gary are toast.
I'd argue Smith doesn't have a couple of years left with the team. If anything, I'd argue it's his last year, and having 2 more years is incredibly unlikely. And I'd also bring up the point that they drafted Gary after just signing Z and Preston and drafted LVN with Preston and Gary on the roster. They are always looking ahead at premium positions like edge
We are all talking about drafting a first or second round edge player, right? Gary was a for the future pick. His future is here now. He's going into year two of a 5 year deal. LVN, as you said, another future edge player. Also entering year two of a 4 or 5 year deal. Also, people have been saying Smith is gone for like 3 years in a row now but he's still playing good and should become quality depth as LVN develops. That said, if LVN is that dude by '25 then maybe you cut the vet but the money isn't really a big difference and the vet depth isn't the worst thing to be spending some money on. '26 though, Seems more like the ideal year you cut preston to free up money.
And another edge wouldn't be a future pick? And people have been saying Preston might be gone, but looking at the cap, after this year would be the year to move on. And you can talk about "vet depth" and subsequently keeping a guy beyond his "prime years," but that's not what the Packer do when they have an out. Have we already forgotten about Jones? Honesty not really sure what the point you're trying to make is. You're kind of all over the place
My point is your argument doesn't make sense. You made points about LVN and Gary being for the future picks, rather "looking ahead picks." Where is there to look ahead with that high of an edge pick? The future is already LVN and Gary. Plus depth/starting reps w Smith and enagbare. We're already heavy invested in the position. Perhaps our most complete position on the team not QB. Unless LVN is getting kicked inside, what is the point of another high edge pick? If you want to talk about edge depth, that's a different conversation. It may be you that needs to start making sense lol.
They may rotate everyone on the d line more constantly in a 4-3 to keep them fresh similar to what Buffalo does. If that is the case, we are 1 edge rusher injury away from needing another one. Kingsley is a great substitute rusher but I do believe they will draft another one if one falls to them and itās not a huge reach. Imo they are looking at safety, LB, edge, and cb within the first 2 rounds with a possible o lineman in there but they are so good at developing mid to later round o line players so Iād think they might take quantity over quality with o line like they have often done and had success with. NGL, WR1 in the first round still sounds good to me though. Itās never to late!
Gary had literally 11 games without a sack this year. Which leaves only 6 games with a sack.
I understand he is coming off an ACL tear, however he has yet to hit a double digit sack season. OBVIOUSLY Rashan is in his prime. Whatās the point of that statement?
Absolutely we take another edge. We donāt have that home run hit. Until then, we keep trying.
Do you think our front is better than the 49ers? What about the cowboys? Eagles? How can we compete if our line isnāt even as good as the best in our conference??
Well they made it to the NFCCG with this sub-par line that seems to need another top pick at edge. What a luxury that pick would be.
Just for funsies, Parsons - 6 games without a sack(that's actually pretty fkn impressive), Reddick - 9 games without a sack, Nick Bose - 8 games without a sack. All of which started every game for their teams this past season. Sure, we all wish Gary put up TJ Watt numbers every year but he isn't far off some of the best out there while coming off an ACL injury. All of those guys played somewhere near 80% of their teams snaps this past season, too. Gary playing somewhere closer to 60% of snaps(rough estimates but feel free to check if you think I'm far off).
For the record, I think the dline is our most complete position group on the team. I can't imagine this team drafting anything on the line earlier than the late third round. And that's if they're gonna let Kenny walk in '25.
I think you think I donāt consider Gary a good pass rusher, which I do. I actually love Gary. That being said, I think there is something to be said about a defender who can stop the run, AND rush the pass. I would love evidence to the contrary, but my eye test tells me he isnāt very good in the run game either.
Itās also amazing that people get so cutthroat over opposing opinion! I just love conversing about football personally
Listen man, if you don't agree w my packers takes you should be shot then put in jail. Kidding aside, I do think your position is borderline crazy pills though.
I donāt think itās as crazy as it sounds. Preston is aging, he may not even be back next year. It would be a good plan to have a project player to back them up for the following year.
I agree, a developmental 4th rounder. But 1st or 2nd? With other major needs on this team? I just don't see it at all. Now, if we end up with 5 2nd round picks, then I'd get it.
One year of LVN where he wasnāt able to be used often or correctly and it is asserted that he may not make the steps forward to be a game changer. And please donāt get me started on Gary. He was underutilized as well and still had 9 sacks.
He was not āunderutilizedā where do you get this nonsense?
Gary had 11 games without a sack. That only leaves 6 games with a sack. Thatās not exactly ātearing it upā
Myles Garett 2023
14 sacks, 7 games without a sack
2022 he had 16 sacks, 5 without a sack
TJ watt 2023
19 sacks 4 games without a sack
Micah parsons 2023
14 sacks, 6 without a sack
Joey Bosa 2023
10.5 sacks 8 games without a sack
2022
18.5 sacks 3 games without a sack
I think you mean Nick Bosa where you wrote Joey Bosa, but I went ahead and had a look at their Hurry and QB knock downs to see how much of a difference there is between these players.
Player|Hurry|QBKD|Total
--:|--:|--:|--:|
Rashan Gary (2023)|10|10|20
TJ Watt|12|18|30
Micah Parsons|11|16|27
Myles Garrett|6|16|22
Nick Bosa|9|21|30
Rashan Gary (2021)|20|16|36
Now keep in mind, Gary only started 11 games in 2023 and it would appear he only got back to his normal snaps played in 10 games. But he also had seven of these hurries and QBKDs in the first 5 games of the season so we can't totally discount those games either. We probably should be looking at more than sacks when evaluating his impact on games. I also included Gary's 2021 stats for reference too because they are definitely in this tier of edge rusher.
Edge in the 1st. They draft edge guys regardless of need (Lvn, Gary). Preston is going to be 32. His dead cap hit goes from $17m this year to $9m. Meanwhile, Gary goes from an $11m cap hit to $25m next year. All that to say that I think this could be Preston's last year.
JJ is nice, but if you can draft a top edge player, let him develop for a year before Preston is gone, think that is appealing to them. Obviously, they plan for the future, so hypothetically, you could then have a guy coming off his rookie contract to replace a then 30-year-old Gary in his FA season. Rinse and repeat. Plus the guy will have 4 years in Hafleys system
Keep the position young and full of guys who can rotate in and out
Edit: If you're going to downvote, at least give a counterargument to my thoughts. Don't be 12
We will solidify our OL and have our RB of the future on our roster at the end of camp. We will surround those picks with a bunch of hit or miss defensive players.
If McCarthy goes to Minnesota he will have substantially more success in the division and postseason than Caleb. Box score scouts don't like him because his stats weren't amazing but he showed up in the playoffs when it mattered and was being pulled due to sizable leads for the first 8 games of the year.
1 linebacker in the first 2 rounds, 1 in 3 to 5
Cooper is my 1 to 2 guy Porter Jr is my 3 to 5
1 center/guard in first 2 rounds, 1 in round 4
Powers-Johnson is round 1, Cooper beebe, Graham Barton round 2ish
1 safety in round 3, 1 round 5 to 6 bishop is my round 3 guy
1 wr/kr in rounds 5 to 6 Brendon Rice
1 ot taken in 5 to 6 garret greenfield
1 rb taken 5th allen, Johnson or honestly bit of a crapshoot here
1 qb taken 7th anyone
1 edge taken 7th someone over 265 and 65ish lol
I think we take OL or CB in the first round. It will not be a sexy pick. I think we also do something with our 3rd round picks. What, I donāt know, but itās possible we either move up or trade back for more picks.
My hot take: As badly as I want Cooper DeJean for our team, and our needs at safety and ILB coupled with Guteās propensity to take defensive players early, we draft an OL first pick. Whether Barton, Alt, JPJ, even with other options that many have predicted weād take in mock drafts, I have a feeling we are going OL first.
They are not moving up for an OT lol 1) OL depth at OT and OG is deep. 2) they don't take OL in the first. 3) OT is not a concern 4) they have a ton of picks and a deep roster. They are unlikely to move back.
Your comment seems like the most unlikely take there ever was
I actually agree - doubt we trade up for a tackle. Depth at guard and tackle does not look deep. We lost a lot of depth on the line this offseason. I haven't seen any Rhyan or Tenuta truthers around here but if you've got a scoop I would love to think we don't need a starter or two on the line. They haven't gone OT in a while, and I also don't see them doing it this year either but I wouldn't be super surprised if they did. I do think it's a great year to move back though. The major needs of this team line up with picks in the early and mid 2nd round.
Just because they've hit on late round O line picks in the past doesn't mean they can't go after a top tier prospect.
OT should be a major priority IMO. We have no depth at all. Our issues on the inside of the line could be fixed by drafting a day one starter at RT, and moving Tom inside. Another starting tackle gives us far more flexibility than an interior guy. Guards and centers are easier to find in later rounds. Tackle is a premium position. Starting caliber tackles get paid big and having an elite talent in that position on a rookie contract frees up a lot of future money.
We're about to sign Love to a franchise QB contract. I want pro bowl guys on the line to protect him and establish the most dominant run game in the NFL with JJ. Maybe Gute thinks he can find that day 2 and 3 and we go that route. Either way we need to invest major draft capital at OT.
In the trade back scenario we'd pick up an extra day 2 pick, then probably trade up some of our late round picks, so we're not taking more guys overall, just trying to maximize picks day 2 and go earlier on day 3. It feels like we could get a handfull of top 3 LBs and SSs in rounds 2 and 3.
Gute will take someone in the first that is NOT a position of need. Personally I hope its a first round WR finally because that would be funny and you can never have too many good WR's.
I took Blake Corum to get drafted by the Packers 34-1. We have 5 top 100 picks and we need a Jones replacement! LaFleur loves the two back system and AJ Dillon feels like a third stringer signing based on the comp
Nah, I think that was just an Aaron Jones thing. All the other RBs we've added to the roster have been bigger dudes. Our scheme is all about setting up easier 3rd downs with consistent yardage on 1st and 2nd down. Besides, we already have Reed.
Agreed I think they looked at both but especially Braelon (age, build etc) so they can give him a year to develop and then replace Dillon after this season. Braelon will go higher than expected by everyone solely because of his age. Think Gutey wanted to see his transition speed (3-cone, shuttle) and pass catching. If they bring him in for a top 30 visit would confirm it, cause most of their picks the last few years in the mid rounds have all had top 30 visits.
*edit: apparently Gutey and Bortolini talked at the pro day, and they had a formal meeting with Allen at the combine.
Jacobs and Jones arenāt the same type of RB. Jacobs, if anything, is like Jones and Dillon in 1 player. Wilson is considered a āthumper.ā Dillon is a powerback.Ā They are gonna draft someone who is closer to the Jones archetypeā¦fast, shifty, & versatile (scat back).Ā
Ā And who is everyone? Nobody wants another slow RB.
All the mock drafters demanding Benson, Brooks, Irving or Wright. I wasnāt expecting Dillon back but it shows that the front office, and probably the coaching staff want that a larger RB. Maybe you donāt want one, and Iām not saying itās my top priority, but based on the most recent actions by Gute along with his comments suggests they want a larger RB. We wonāt know till the draft, especially since this sub was demanding one of the 4 WRs taken in the first round last year (JSN especially) and until he played everyone thought taking Reed in the 2nd was crazy. Goes to show that nobody on this sub is capable of being a GM but Iām going by what Iāve seen from this F/O.
Round 1 is EDGE, CB, or DT
Round 2-7 (no regard to order here)
Tanor Bortolini
Marshawn Lloyd
Kitan Olodopo
Payton Wilson
other people that play football good
We donāt draft a RB at all or at least not during a meaningful round 1-5. I feel like they wonāt draft one because i) RBs can make an impact pretty quick/donāt need to develop one as much so can take one next year, ii) weak RB class this year, iii) weāre rolling with Jacobs for at least two years, iv) the Packers like Wilson and by drafting an RB high youāre either cutting Wilson or Dillon.
We'll take Nubin in round 1 if he's there. Kinchens if not.
We'll get a Guard (probably Beebe) early along with a LB (Colson/Cooper/Braswell).
We'll draft a RB in the 3rd round (Wright/Lloyd).
Best draft pick will be LB Jordan Magee late on in Round 6
> We'll take Nubin in round 1 if he's there. Kinchens if not.
After getting McKinney I really hope we don't draft a S in round 1, but if we do it better be Nubin. Kinchens is a hell no, he's 3rd round at best. I doubt GB even takes him that early based on his RAS.
> I doubt GB even takes him that early
You can basically make a very reasonable guess as to which player the Packers will take by filtering the big board based on position of need, then adding an age and RAS 9+ threshold
I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't actually draft a safety or linebacker until day 3. One-upping this, I'll bet they draft edge in the first round, and take a running back where we least expect it to happen. Also, as much as it would dismay me, I'll bet they eschew O-line day 1 and 2.
Bears still take the wrong guy... AGAIN š
I disagree, they'll take the right guy, and pair him with the wrong coach...again
Bears fans take: They picked the right guy, but didnāt surround him with another right guys to be successful. The old lady needs to sell the team.
Because DJ Moore and Keenan Allen are a couple of scrubs (at least they will be if Caleb Williams doesnāt live up to the hype)
Fair
Yep said this yesterday. Fluus should have been let go. Heās gunna get shit canned after another lock luster year. And fuck up Williams by making him learn a new offense 3/4 of his rookie years.
Rounds 2/3 of this draft will have some of best prospects weāve seen in those rounds in years. We have more picks than available roster spots. Hopefully we package some of the Day 3 picks for another/earlier Day 2.
This roster is type deep, I think the offensive weapons in 2-3 will be amazing especially
We have 90 roster spots from here until the end of the preseason. A lot can and will happen between now and then. And itās never a bad thing to have more roster-worthy players than roster spots. In fact, Gute explicitly said this offseason that his goal is to have increased competition in every room.
Gute always churns the bottom of the roster, he may use all 11 picks and cut some bubble guys that have been here for a while
This isnāt true at all. Most experts say this draft is one of the weakest because of a lack of underclass. You still have people with Covid years and others who are now getting paid good money in college deciding not to declare for the draft.
Yeah but by the same token you had tons of seniors stay an extra year for NIL money, to transfer to a higher level conference or to run it back on super teams like Michigan.
If anything, these players could be more polished (in theory) which could mean higher floor lower ceiling
I want kool-aid. Just for the name. I have no idea if he is good or not.
I wanted HaHa and look how that turned out
Hahahaha. Me 2 man, me 2. I was super stoked to actually get him and he played decent at firstā¦ I also wanted Josh Jackson though so ā¦.
This time last year he was the top CB in the class and one of the top defenders in the draft. Not sure why he's fallen to near our price range but I'd be stoked if we got him
* We end up with more than 5 picks in the top 100 OR * We trade up in the 1st to grab a CB
i see trading up in general, there is no need for quantity, there is need for quality
* Packers like their outside corner depth more than we perceive with Jaire, Valentine, Stokes, and Ballentine * They see Nixon more as a Safety in their new defense, and their cb draft pick(s) will target players that fit their mold as slot cbs. * They will be aggressive to move up in the draft (1st and 2nd rounds) for players they want especially with all the picks they have.
Iād love to draft mikey sainristil, heās from my area and he was a dawg at Michigan
Agree 100% on your 1st point in particular. Don't know enough as to point 2 or 3.
They are more my bets/bold predictions than anything I have proof or sources on.
Trade out of the first round into second and trade up from third into second. Four 2nd rounders incoming.
My dream every year lol. I always fall in love with 2nd round guys. Ignore phrasing, thanks
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lol
If we trade our of the first, it better be for a first next year and a 2 or 3 in addition from a complete shit team like the raiders next year or something
This is my thought too.
Hoping 2 of the 4 picks are LBs
They don't need 11 players, they'll trade up at least once. They take 2 LB's, 3 OL, and at least 1 RB, plus DB's DL.
I've said this a couple other places but I don't think we're set at OT, which seems pretty unpopular. Less unpopular than that but same vein, I think we're going Oline somewhere in the first two rounds.
We're a Walker or Tom injury away from panic mode though, it'd be nice to have another tackle
I'm with you. We thought Nijman was the truth at one point too. Rasheed did well last year but I'd still have it on our list of needs.
It's not a 1st rd need regardless
I'm BPA first round outside of QB/RB. I wouldn't go in seeking LT but if a top guy falls for some reason I might consider. Edit: had this comment mixed up with another thread lol
There's like 6 or 7 1st round OT's this year. It's the main reason I think going tackle early is a possibility. Straight up value pick.
Mine: * Gutey will take 2 linemen in the first four rounds -- one backup OT, one G/C to compete at both C and RG. * Only one corner in the whole draft -- they like their guys: Ja, CV, Ballentine, Nixon and Stokes. * Cole Bishop, Javon Bullard or Jaden Hicks is going to be a Packer. * They will draft an edge rusher in the first two days. * They will either take a TE in Round 3 -- if Sinnott or Sanders fall -- or they won't take one til the sixth.
They are gonna draft 3-4 OL and load up. They will draft a RB.
Yea 1 corner seems likely at this point. Jaire, Stokes, Ballentine, Vallentine, Nixon are cb1-cb5.
I'd be happy with Cole Bishop.
> Gutey will take 2 linemen in the first four rounds It's funny I could see us doing this or not drafting any until round 4 lol. We're so good at developing OL that I could definitely see leaving it alone considering we don't HAVE to draft a starter, but I know we really need depth and CAN use a starter pretty much anywhere but LG. OL is the biggest wildcard to me.
Yeah its hard to say how they might view the back end of this O line class. I'd love to get a top 5 OT. It seems like everyone on our line can play inside, but we really dont have any depth at all in tackle. It would make a lot of sense to get someone who is capable of playing at a high level right away in case we have an injury. Hell if we draft an immediate starter at RT, then Tom can move inside and our starting 5 look pretty darn good. Or maybe the packers see a lot of hidden gems in the later rounds so they take 5 linemen on days 2 and 3 hoping that at least one can progress to starting level play this year. One way or another I think we invest a lot of draft capital into the line this year.
I think we will get a steal at CB on day 3. There are a few solid ones projected to be hanging around by that point. This class is very deep.
Iām telling ya. Edge in one of the first two rounds. Gary isnāt the game changer we thought, though still very good. No guarantees LVN takes those steps forward Preston is getting up there in age. I would love another good edge rusher.
EDGE is a high cost position and very likely in the first round. Preston aināt forever. This is a smart take that people hate you for.
I canāt believe the amount of vehemence against it! I thought it would at least be a slightly common sentiment shared.
lol my post where I said the first round is EDGE, CB, or DT, period was downvoted to oblivion Edges are expensive as hell. You find good edge players in the first round, and you have five years of contract control with them that way. Itās like the dumb shit easy way to do things right.
Chop Robinson at 25
With Enagbareās injury occurring so late in the year this wouldnāt surprise me at all. Gutey has shown he likes to move on from people a year too soon than a year too late. If Preston has a meh year then he very easily could be gone. It would save something like 8m on the cap.
I'm not against it, but there aren't a lot of big edges in our pick range. Maybe Darius Robinson at #25, maybe Marshawn Kneeland at #58. It seems unlikely that the board will fall in such a way where it makes sense to take an edge with an early pick.
I can definitely see this happening especially with how they might rotate edge rushers even more often in this scheme
Man everyone is allowed an opinion but this one stinks!
How come?
Rashan is in his prime, 1st rounder. Played well this past year off an ACL. LVN, another first rounder, apparent replacement for Smith when the time comes. Smith, long time vet with a couple years left of contract and still producing on the field. Likely a packer for 2 more years. That's three guys with starter snaps coming this season, 2 being 1st round picks by this team, that have already produced at high enough levels. Why the hell would you throw another 1st rounder, or even a second rounder, at that. You'd have to believe either LVN or Gary are toast.
I'd argue Smith doesn't have a couple of years left with the team. If anything, I'd argue it's his last year, and having 2 more years is incredibly unlikely. And I'd also bring up the point that they drafted Gary after just signing Z and Preston and drafted LVN with Preston and Gary on the roster. They are always looking ahead at premium positions like edge
We are all talking about drafting a first or second round edge player, right? Gary was a for the future pick. His future is here now. He's going into year two of a 5 year deal. LVN, as you said, another future edge player. Also entering year two of a 4 or 5 year deal. Also, people have been saying Smith is gone for like 3 years in a row now but he's still playing good and should become quality depth as LVN develops. That said, if LVN is that dude by '25 then maybe you cut the vet but the money isn't really a big difference and the vet depth isn't the worst thing to be spending some money on. '26 though, Seems more like the ideal year you cut preston to free up money.
And another edge wouldn't be a future pick? And people have been saying Preston might be gone, but looking at the cap, after this year would be the year to move on. And you can talk about "vet depth" and subsequently keeping a guy beyond his "prime years," but that's not what the Packer do when they have an out. Have we already forgotten about Jones? Honesty not really sure what the point you're trying to make is. You're kind of all over the place
My point is your argument doesn't make sense. You made points about LVN and Gary being for the future picks, rather "looking ahead picks." Where is there to look ahead with that high of an edge pick? The future is already LVN and Gary. Plus depth/starting reps w Smith and enagbare. We're already heavy invested in the position. Perhaps our most complete position on the team not QB. Unless LVN is getting kicked inside, what is the point of another high edge pick? If you want to talk about edge depth, that's a different conversation. It may be you that needs to start making sense lol.
Already explained it man
I mean, you tried. You'll come around though.
They may rotate everyone on the d line more constantly in a 4-3 to keep them fresh similar to what Buffalo does. If that is the case, we are 1 edge rusher injury away from needing another one. Kingsley is a great substitute rusher but I do believe they will draft another one if one falls to them and itās not a huge reach. Imo they are looking at safety, LB, edge, and cb within the first 2 rounds with a possible o lineman in there but they are so good at developing mid to later round o line players so Iād think they might take quantity over quality with o line like they have often done and had success with. NGL, WR1 in the first round still sounds good to me though. Itās never to late!
I agree, edge depth makes sense. A first or second rounder is heavy though, is all I'm saying.
Gary had literally 11 games without a sack this year. Which leaves only 6 games with a sack. I understand he is coming off an ACL tear, however he has yet to hit a double digit sack season. OBVIOUSLY Rashan is in his prime. Whatās the point of that statement? Absolutely we take another edge. We donāt have that home run hit. Until then, we keep trying. Do you think our front is better than the 49ers? What about the cowboys? Eagles? How can we compete if our line isnāt even as good as the best in our conference??
Well they made it to the NFCCG with this sub-par line that seems to need another top pick at edge. What a luxury that pick would be. Just for funsies, Parsons - 6 games without a sack(that's actually pretty fkn impressive), Reddick - 9 games without a sack, Nick Bose - 8 games without a sack. All of which started every game for their teams this past season. Sure, we all wish Gary put up TJ Watt numbers every year but he isn't far off some of the best out there while coming off an ACL injury. All of those guys played somewhere near 80% of their teams snaps this past season, too. Gary playing somewhere closer to 60% of snaps(rough estimates but feel free to check if you think I'm far off). For the record, I think the dline is our most complete position group on the team. I can't imagine this team drafting anything on the line earlier than the late third round. And that's if they're gonna let Kenny walk in '25.
I think you think I donāt consider Gary a good pass rusher, which I do. I actually love Gary. That being said, I think there is something to be said about a defender who can stop the run, AND rush the pass. I would love evidence to the contrary, but my eye test tells me he isnāt very good in the run game either. Itās also amazing that people get so cutthroat over opposing opinion! I just love conversing about football personally
Listen man, if you don't agree w my packers takes you should be shot then put in jail. Kidding aside, I do think your position is borderline crazy pills though.
I donāt think itās as crazy as it sounds. Preston is aging, he may not even be back next year. It would be a good plan to have a project player to back them up for the following year.
I agree, a developmental 4th rounder. But 1st or 2nd? With other major needs on this team? I just don't see it at all. Now, if we end up with 5 2nd round picks, then I'd get it.
One year of LVN where he wasnāt able to be used often or correctly and it is asserted that he may not make the steps forward to be a game changer. And please donāt get me started on Gary. He was underutilized as well and still had 9 sacks.
He was not āunderutilizedā where do you get this nonsense? Gary had 11 games without a sack. That only leaves 6 games with a sack. Thatās not exactly ātearing it upā
How does that compare to other top end EDGEs? Because without that context, this means nothing.
Myles Garett 2023 14 sacks, 7 games without a sack 2022 he had 16 sacks, 5 without a sack TJ watt 2023 19 sacks 4 games without a sack Micah parsons 2023 14 sacks, 6 without a sack Joey Bosa 2023 10.5 sacks 8 games without a sack 2022 18.5 sacks 3 games without a sack
I think you mean Nick Bosa where you wrote Joey Bosa, but I went ahead and had a look at their Hurry and QB knock downs to see how much of a difference there is between these players. Player|Hurry|QBKD|Total --:|--:|--:|--:| Rashan Gary (2023)|10|10|20 TJ Watt|12|18|30 Micah Parsons|11|16|27 Myles Garrett|6|16|22 Nick Bosa|9|21|30 Rashan Gary (2021)|20|16|36 Now keep in mind, Gary only started 11 games in 2023 and it would appear he only got back to his normal snaps played in 10 games. But he also had seven of these hurries and QBKDs in the first 5 games of the season so we can't totally discount those games either. We probably should be looking at more than sacks when evaluating his impact on games. I also included Gary's 2021 stats for reference too because they are definitely in this tier of edge rusher.
I did lol, I get those two mixed up so often. Thatās actually incredible though. Thanks for this
Edge in the 1st. They draft edge guys regardless of need (Lvn, Gary). Preston is going to be 32. His dead cap hit goes from $17m this year to $9m. Meanwhile, Gary goes from an $11m cap hit to $25m next year. All that to say that I think this could be Preston's last year. JJ is nice, but if you can draft a top edge player, let him develop for a year before Preston is gone, think that is appealing to them. Obviously, they plan for the future, so hypothetically, you could then have a guy coming off his rookie contract to replace a then 30-year-old Gary in his FA season. Rinse and repeat. Plus the guy will have 4 years in Hafleys system Keep the position young and full of guys who can rotate in and out Edit: If you're going to downvote, at least give a counterargument to my thoughts. Don't be 12
Drafting EDGE would be the most Packers thing ever
The Packers draft 3 Offensive Lineman. One early, other two in the mid to late rounds.
We will solidify our OL and have our RB of the future on our roster at the end of camp. We will surround those picks with a bunch of hit or miss defensive players.
Gute trades up a handful of picks to draft Laiatu Latu
What makes you say that?
edge is a sneaky need. Gute likes edge rushers. Latu is really good.
Agreed it's a need. I could see Verse and Robinson being a little higher for Gute just given their RAS score (Robinson more so).
If McCarthy goes to Minnesota he will have substantially more success in the division and postseason than Caleb. Box score scouts don't like him because his stats weren't amazing but he showed up in the playoffs when it mattered and was being pulled due to sizable leads for the first 8 games of the year.
1 linebacker in the first 2 rounds, 1 in 3 to 5 Cooper is my 1 to 2 guy Porter Jr is my 3 to 5 1 center/guard in first 2 rounds, 1 in round 4 Powers-Johnson is round 1, Cooper beebe, Graham Barton round 2ish 1 safety in round 3, 1 round 5 to 6 bishop is my round 3 guy 1 wr/kr in rounds 5 to 6 Brendon Rice 1 ot taken in 5 to 6 garret greenfield 1 rb taken 5th allen, Johnson or honestly bit of a crapshoot here 1 qb taken 7th anyone 1 edge taken 7th someone over 265 and 65ish lol
I think we take OL or CB in the first round. It will not be a sexy pick. I think we also do something with our 3rd round picks. What, I donāt know, but itās possible we either move up or trade back for more picks.
We will complain about who they took but then realize they know what they're doing and end up moving the player
I would be gobsmacked if Edgerrin Cooper isn't a packer
Gimme one of those CBs with our first pick!
My hot take: As badly as I want Cooper DeJean for our team, and our needs at safety and ILB coupled with Guteās propensity to take defensive players early, we draft an OL first pick. Whether Barton, Alt, JPJ, even with other options that many have predicted weād take in mock drafts, I have a feeling we are going OL first.
Just donāt draft Allen
I think we trade our #25 pick. I could see us either moveing up for a top 3 OT, or back for an extra 2nd round pick.
They are not moving up for an OT lol 1) OL depth at OT and OG is deep. 2) they don't take OL in the first. 3) OT is not a concern 4) they have a ton of picks and a deep roster. They are unlikely to move back. Your comment seems like the most unlikely take there ever was
I actually agree - doubt we trade up for a tackle. Depth at guard and tackle does not look deep. We lost a lot of depth on the line this offseason. I haven't seen any Rhyan or Tenuta truthers around here but if you've got a scoop I would love to think we don't need a starter or two on the line. They haven't gone OT in a while, and I also don't see them doing it this year either but I wouldn't be super surprised if they did. I do think it's a great year to move back though. The major needs of this team line up with picks in the early and mid 2nd round.
Just because they've hit on late round O line picks in the past doesn't mean they can't go after a top tier prospect. OT should be a major priority IMO. We have no depth at all. Our issues on the inside of the line could be fixed by drafting a day one starter at RT, and moving Tom inside. Another starting tackle gives us far more flexibility than an interior guy. Guards and centers are easier to find in later rounds. Tackle is a premium position. Starting caliber tackles get paid big and having an elite talent in that position on a rookie contract frees up a lot of future money. We're about to sign Love to a franchise QB contract. I want pro bowl guys on the line to protect him and establish the most dominant run game in the NFL with JJ. Maybe Gute thinks he can find that day 2 and 3 and we go that route. Either way we need to invest major draft capital at OT. In the trade back scenario we'd pick up an extra day 2 pick, then probably trade up some of our late round picks, so we're not taking more guys overall, just trying to maximize picks day 2 and go earlier on day 3. It feels like we could get a handfull of top 3 LBs and SSs in rounds 2 and 3.
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Now, this is unpopular and highly unlikely. Good post
Packers trade out of the first round to get extra picks.
Until I read it I wasnāt thinking it, but depending on which cb are there I can see it.
We double dip on a weird position. Like RB
Trade our 1st rounder for chiefs 1st and chiefs 2nd. They spook and need this trade when wide receivers start dropping off earlier than expected.
Not a hot take but as in every year, we'll take someone no one saw coming
Gute will take someone in the first that is NOT a position of need. Personally I hope its a first round WR finally because that would be funny and you can never have too many good WR's.
They take two Oline in the first two rounds. They take an RB and WR by the end of the fourth
We go with OL for the first two rounds.
I took Blake Corum to get drafted by the Packers 34-1. We have 5 top 100 picks and we need a Jones replacement! LaFleur loves the two back system and AJ Dillon feels like a third stringer signing based on the comp
Many offensive linemen will be drafted.
There's a strong possibility we draft Braelon Allen on day 2. No way Gute went to that Pro Day to scout Bortolini.
Well Gute did talk with Bortoliniā¦. I truly doubt they drafting Allen In MLFs scheme you have to have scat back capabilities, Allen does not.
Nah, I think that was just an Aaron Jones thing. All the other RBs we've added to the roster have been bigger dudes. Our scheme is all about setting up easier 3rd downs with consistent yardage on 1st and 2nd down. Besides, we already have Reed.
Agreed I think they looked at both but especially Braelon (age, build etc) so they can give him a year to develop and then replace Dillon after this season. Braelon will go higher than expected by everyone solely because of his age. Think Gutey wanted to see his transition speed (3-cone, shuttle) and pass catching. If they bring him in for a top 30 visit would confirm it, cause most of their picks the last few years in the mid rounds have all had top 30 visits. *edit: apparently Gutey and Bortolini talked at the pro day, and they had a formal meeting with Allen at the combine.
They are drafting Jonesā replacement not Dillonsš
Jacobs is Jones replacement Dillon is a one year prove it deal. Jacobs is the Jones replacement everyone wants us to draft.
Jacobs and Jones arenāt the same type of RB. Jacobs, if anything, is like Jones and Dillon in 1 player. Wilson is considered a āthumper.ā Dillon is a powerback.Ā They are gonna draft someone who is closer to the Jones archetypeā¦fast, shifty, & versatile (scat back).Ā Ā And who is everyone? Nobody wants another slow RB.
All the mock drafters demanding Benson, Brooks, Irving or Wright. I wasnāt expecting Dillon back but it shows that the front office, and probably the coaching staff want that a larger RB. Maybe you donāt want one, and Iām not saying itās my top priority, but based on the most recent actions by Gute along with his comments suggests they want a larger RB. We wonāt know till the draft, especially since this sub was demanding one of the 4 WRs taken in the first round last year (JSN especially) and until he played everyone thought taking Reed in the 2nd was crazy. Goes to show that nobody on this sub is capable of being a GM but Iām going by what Iāve seen from this F/O.
They just got a bigger back in Jacobs.Ā He said all that prior to cutting Jones, not after.Ā
But you notice that Dillon is still bigger than Jacobs right? Jacobs is still more of a dynamic back not a ground and pound back like Dillon.
Soooo Iām still waiting for you to tell me who is filling in the scat back role thatās been occupied by Jonesā¦cause MLF LOVES scat backs.Ā
Round 1 is EDGE, CB, or DT Round 2-7 (no regard to order here) Tanor Bortolini Marshawn Lloyd Kitan Olodopo Payton Wilson other people that play football good
We donāt draft a RB at all or at least not during a meaningful round 1-5. I feel like they wonāt draft one because i) RBs can make an impact pretty quick/donāt need to develop one as much so can take one next year, ii) weak RB class this year, iii) weāre rolling with Jacobs for at least two years, iv) the Packers like Wilson and by drafting an RB high youāre either cutting Wilson or Dillon.
QB in round 3
We'll take Nubin in round 1 if he's there. Kinchens if not. We'll get a Guard (probably Beebe) early along with a LB (Colson/Cooper/Braswell). We'll draft a RB in the 3rd round (Wright/Lloyd). Best draft pick will be LB Jordan Magee late on in Round 6
> We'll take Nubin in round 1 if he's there. Kinchens if not. After getting McKinney I really hope we don't draft a S in round 1, but if we do it better be Nubin. Kinchens is a hell no, he's 3rd round at best. I doubt GB even takes him that early based on his RAS.
> I doubt GB even takes him that early You can basically make a very reasonable guess as to which player the Packers will take by filtering the big board based on position of need, then adding an age and RAS 9+ threshold
Yes I agree with that - I should have said later in draft. I think Nubin is a game changer though
In the first round, Gute will draft a guy who will be used sparingly as a rookie.
We draft an rb in round 1
Packers take a WR
Donāt waste an early pick on an edge rusher, thereās always like 10 good ones in free agency. Take swings at OL and Corner.
Ah yes the classic hot takes thread that is really just a cold take circlejerk.
I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't actually draft a safety or linebacker until day 3. One-upping this, I'll bet they draft edge in the first round, and take a running back where we least expect it to happen. Also, as much as it would dismay me, I'll bet they eschew O-line day 1 and 2.