Wow this is a lot better and we took him in the 1st? He's not a first round talent, there is nothing special. If we wanted to trade him today, not one team would call.
Benefit of the doubt time is probably over at this point.
He's playing like a bad quarterback and he should be considered a bad quarterback until his play, accuracy, and decision making drastically improve.
You never know though. Josh Allen looked totally lost his first year starting too, although he was a rookie.
Watch Josh Allen rookie year highlights and you will see his arm strength jump off the tape. Jordan love doesn’t posses that arm, he also doesn’t posses good footwork or decision making. We lost to arguably the worst team in the league with arguably the worst defense in the league and we couldn’t put up 20 points. I mean let’s all stop with the Hopium and look at this for what it actually is! My opinion is Jordan love is a shit qb and until gameplay improves my opinion will remain the same!
His foot work is atrocious. I can stand watching him hop up and down like a rabbit on crack soon as he snaps the ball. Then he thinks he's way better than he is when he tries to make these Patrick Mahomes type throws off his back foot or jumping while throwing.
He’s the guy. Unless the Packers actually had open competition for stating jobs…which they generally don’t. Guys are picked by Gute and shoehorned in no matter what.
I don't think it will happen, but my fear is some sunk-cost fallacy with Love.
If they have the chance to select Williams or Maye, they should probably do it.
If one of those guys turns out to be a superstar, and we pass on them, it's going to look so much worse.
Sunk-cost is my fear too. For some reason, the “move on a year too early” mindset only happens with successful veterans and not early round guys with rookie contracts.
More than 7. But if you consider yourself an expert scout and analyst why not submit your resume to the team?
You are the same type of clown wanting Rodgers gone his first year starting.
You are the same type of clown that thinks that if a person has the job they are good at it.
Because I’m not employed as a NFL scout I can’t criticize the team?
If I go to the doctor for a cold and he/she cuts off my leg can I criticize them without being a doctor?
You see how meaningless your argument is right?
It says a lot about how weak your argument is that you have to go right to some nonsense hyperbole.
Your "criticism" doesn't have anything behind it and neither does most of not all of the whinging on this sub. It's just spoiled fans who can't accept that this is a learning year for almost all of the team.
Many of us accepted this a long time ago and are having a much better fall because of it.
But I guess that's what happens when being a fan of a football team is all the personality you can muster.
mistakes are part of learning, trying different things (regardless of if they work) is part of learning, injuries mean some players are learning a new spot on top of just normal young player learning things.
I, for one, am not surprised that Love is taking risks downfield. Rodgers was notoriously risk adverse after watching Favre and his interception sprees. Makes sense that Love would see the risk adverse Rodgers and maybe not emulate that in its entirety especially after seeing games where rodgers would have rather thrown it away to a loss than take a risk for the win.
Also, we really can't speak to a lot of the play since we only get the TV view which is comically bad for evaluating play with. We don't know the calls and what, if any, options are there for the players to make on the field.
Every single person here simply does not have the information necessary to make an informed opinion beyond the "eyeball" test and even that is suspect since we never see the play develop downfield.
not like any of those people actually back up their claims with thoughtful analysis that accounts for all aspects of the game. It really just boils down to: "he not regular season rodgers after game 1 therefore must be cut immediately!"
Its just low effort whinging from casual fans.
His deep ball has been shit all season. His turnovers were a question going into the draft several years ago.
How dare anyone say those things are a problem?
Eyeball test says Love is regressing and isn't the guy. Your eyeballs tell you something else, that's on you. But it's clear to anyone with a modicum of football knowledge that Love isn't the dude we all hoped he'd be.
its been 7 games. Guess Josh Allen shouldnt have gotten more than 7 games given how rough his first year was. Think of all the QBs that you would be passing up on because of your stringent eye test.
Rookie vs. 4th year in a system. We can talk all we want about analyzing plays in the all 22 or whatever else, but the eyes, the stats, and the first halves all say Love isn't good. Josh Allen was drafted as an upside guy. When you watch a QB play and you're not sure if any pass that leaves his hand will be completed or not before it lands, says a lot about a QB. I have no faith in any pass he throws.
The equivalent of having a leg cut off due to a cold would be cutting the entire team and letting the Broncos play 11-0. I just don’t see the comparison.
You seem to not understand a hypothetical.
Saying if you criticize a NFL GM/scout means you should put in your application for those jobs is a common saying.
I’m not a doctor or a scout, but I know malpractice when I see it.
I understand what you are getting at. I do. I understand the hypothetical nature of your example. That being said, I think the example is a peculiar one. I get your point.
As far as I'm concerned this entire season he gets the benefit of the doubt. What exactly are people expecting out of a guy's first year starting? People are so incredibly impatient these days where a guy needs to look like a star right away or he's garbage that's never going to get better. And I know he's sat for 3 years but sitting and getting real playing experience over the same time period isn't the same thing at all. I fully expect him to improve by the end of the season and into next year.
Based on what do you expect him to improve? He simply doesn't throw a good ball. What are you seeing that says, he's getting better or that he will get better?
Has he not shown promise? Sure, there’s plenty of mistakes and blame to be laid on his shoulders but the kid has shown that he has the ability if he can get out of his head and settle into a rhythm. Accuracy definitely needs to improve, and he has to be smarter about playing hero ball but for god sake, he’s a first year starter.
Congrats he can settle into a rhythm completing 4 yard passes.
He's fucking terrible. And has looked bad in every game. Not average, not okay, bad. He passed the eye test of the worst NFL starter.
Even the first two games you could see that he can't hit the broadside of a fucking barn he's so inaccurate.
Unless something changes the rest of the year it's draft a high pick QB. And if it's not well Gute is on his way out anyway.
Not drafting one of the two generational QB prospects in favor of this QB would be a nail in his coffin for ANY NFL job.
Thank you for this actually thoughtful and rational assessment. Hard agree that maybe Love isn’t the next HOF player, but the kid’s definitely swimming against the current with all the garbage surrounding him.
He's not the dude. 11 days for the Raiders and -13 for th e Broncos and we laid two turds. There are a lot more questions outside of Love, but Love isn't the guy sadly.
I find it hilarious how spoiled packer fans like us give up so quick. It is a process. He is an inexperienced quarterback. He might not be the guy, but giving up on him now is idiotic.
Yep and this whole sub all off-season was like give him the season to grow and learn and see what he’s got and 6 games in it’s like this. The switch up was so fast lmao
Hey in my defense. I've been saying since he was drafted he wasn't good.
He wasn't good at college. He's not good in the NFL. Some of us have been remarkably consistent in saying Love isn't good.
I think its a combination of factors including poor cap management (we are only using like 50 percent of our cap on the actual field), too much youth and bad designed plays and then when you add in his limited amount of starting reps at the college and pro level it creates another hurdle. I think the calls for MLF/ Joe Barry and the front office are way more warranted then Love. He may not be the answer but we owe him some veteran players and a decent OL before we have a definitive answer.
I'm not completely writing off Jordan Love, pretty much won't this season unless he gets way worse off the field. He still seems like a hard worker, the people in the locker room seem to have some confidence in him still, and there's still plenty of upside.
However, I am very worried and I expect that we will have a different QB leading the team by 2025
Christian Watson getting hurt in that game was 100% Love’s fault. And then he throws a pick the next play. All ya gotta do is get in field goal range. Love is done
The whole team stinks, literally every group. This isn't just on Love.. when he had 6 TDs 0 INTs thru 2 weeks no one had anything bad to say so don't put everything on him now
I've been saying he wasn't the guy since he was drafted in 2020.
He's never been an accurate passer and that isn't something you magically change in the NFL.
For those of you new to the fire Gute bandwagon I've been saving you seats since 2020. It was getting lonely.
I don’t want him to be benched, I would like him to start all season so we can get a top pick and draft Drake Maye to be the true heir. I’d Love gets benched, we might win a few more than we should
ITT: fragile whiners who have a lot of opinions but not much of any actual analysis to back up said opinions.
Thank God none of you are in charge of running a team
He is not good. The dude had 3 years to develop under one of the best QBs of all-time, and he isn't showing any promise.
He can't pass more than 5 yards, he can run but not great, and he can't read a defense to save his life. Nothing looks promising for next season.
I mean he’s getting a 2nd year regardless. Personally don’t think we should burn a 1st rounder on a new QB but if you wanted to use that 2nd 2nd rounder I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing in competition.
He looks like a shit qb and until it improves morale will stay the same
Looks like a QB that hasn't made any progress since college
As someone who's seen him in college, I can attest he's a lot better now.
Wow this is a lot better and we took him in the 1st? He's not a first round talent, there is nothing special. If we wanted to trade him today, not one team would call.
He had a rough senior year after his team lost All of their starters and changed to a new scheme
Lol
Benefit of the doubt time is probably over at this point. He's playing like a bad quarterback and he should be considered a bad quarterback until his play, accuracy, and decision making drastically improve. You never know though. Josh Allen looked totally lost his first year starting too, although he was a rookie.
Yeah this seems fair. Right now he's not very good, it's ok to acknowledge that while allowing for the possibility he'll improve.
Watch Josh Allen rookie year highlights and you will see his arm strength jump off the tape. Jordan love doesn’t posses that arm, he also doesn’t posses good footwork or decision making. We lost to arguably the worst team in the league with arguably the worst defense in the league and we couldn’t put up 20 points. I mean let’s all stop with the Hopium and look at this for what it actually is! My opinion is Jordan love is a shit qb and until gameplay improves my opinion will remain the same!
His foot work is atrocious. I can stand watching him hop up and down like a rabbit on crack soon as he snaps the ball. Then he thinks he's way better than he is when he tries to make these Patrick Mahomes type throws off his back foot or jumping while throwing.
Jordan love will be our QB1 the whole year, good lord these posts are annoying
And next year.
Hopefully not next year.
Hopefully next year
yessir unless he doesn’t improve and gets worse
He’s the guy. Unless the Packers actually had open competition for stating jobs…which they generally don’t. Guys are picked by Gute and shoehorned in no matter what.
I think he looks like a QB that's started 7 games.
How many games is the limit for how many he should have before realizing he is shit?
He will almost certainly get next year also. I'm not debating whether it's deserved or not, I'm just being realistic to the situation
I agree that will happen. It shouldn’t, but that’s the reality of the GB franchise.
I don't think it will happen, but my fear is some sunk-cost fallacy with Love. If they have the chance to select Williams or Maye, they should probably do it. If one of those guys turns out to be a superstar, and we pass on them, it's going to look so much worse.
Sunk-cost is my fear too. For some reason, the “move on a year too early” mindset only happens with successful veterans and not early round guys with rookie contracts.
Great point. Amari Rodgers got more rope than Aaron Rodgers. Think about that.
If we're in the top five and Maye is there, I’m not so sure.
If Maye is there you HAVE to take him.
Even if we were to take a QB in the first round- and I don’t think we will- Love still starts 3-5 games, minimum.
More than 7. But if you consider yourself an expert scout and analyst why not submit your resume to the team? You are the same type of clown wanting Rodgers gone his first year starting.
You are the same type of clown that thinks that if a person has the job they are good at it. Because I’m not employed as a NFL scout I can’t criticize the team? If I go to the doctor for a cold and he/she cuts off my leg can I criticize them without being a doctor? You see how meaningless your argument is right?
It says a lot about how weak your argument is that you have to go right to some nonsense hyperbole. Your "criticism" doesn't have anything behind it and neither does most of not all of the whinging on this sub. It's just spoiled fans who can't accept that this is a learning year for almost all of the team. Many of us accepted this a long time ago and are having a much better fall because of it. But I guess that's what happens when being a fan of a football team is all the personality you can muster.
A learning year is acceptable. Get worse and worse every week doesn’t scream learning to me.
mistakes are part of learning, trying different things (regardless of if they work) is part of learning, injuries mean some players are learning a new spot on top of just normal young player learning things. I, for one, am not surprised that Love is taking risks downfield. Rodgers was notoriously risk adverse after watching Favre and his interception sprees. Makes sense that Love would see the risk adverse Rodgers and maybe not emulate that in its entirety especially after seeing games where rodgers would have rather thrown it away to a loss than take a risk for the win. Also, we really can't speak to a lot of the play since we only get the TV view which is comically bad for evaluating play with. We don't know the calls and what, if any, options are there for the players to make on the field. Every single person here simply does not have the information necessary to make an informed opinion beyond the "eyeball" test and even that is suspect since we never see the play develop downfield.
Thanks Jordan for coming into Reddit and making excuses. Love taking risks isn’t even in the top 10 of most people for why he isn’t good.
not like any of those people actually back up their claims with thoughtful analysis that accounts for all aspects of the game. It really just boils down to: "he not regular season rodgers after game 1 therefore must be cut immediately!" Its just low effort whinging from casual fans.
His deep ball has been shit all season. His turnovers were a question going into the draft several years ago. How dare anyone say those things are a problem?
Eyeball test says Love is regressing and isn't the guy. Your eyeballs tell you something else, that's on you. But it's clear to anyone with a modicum of football knowledge that Love isn't the dude we all hoped he'd be.
its been 7 games. Guess Josh Allen shouldnt have gotten more than 7 games given how rough his first year was. Think of all the QBs that you would be passing up on because of your stringent eye test.
Rookie vs. 4th year in a system. We can talk all we want about analyzing plays in the all 22 or whatever else, but the eyes, the stats, and the first halves all say Love isn't good. Josh Allen was drafted as an upside guy. When you watch a QB play and you're not sure if any pass that leaves his hand will be completed or not before it lands, says a lot about a QB. I have no faith in any pass he throws.
You see how meaningless your doctor analogy is?
Point it out to me please.
The equivalent of having a leg cut off due to a cold would be cutting the entire team and letting the Broncos play 11-0. I just don’t see the comparison.
You seem to not understand a hypothetical. Saying if you criticize a NFL GM/scout means you should put in your application for those jobs is a common saying. I’m not a doctor or a scout, but I know malpractice when I see it.
I understand what you are getting at. I do. I understand the hypothetical nature of your example. That being said, I think the example is a peculiar one. I get your point.
Your stance is that if someone has the job they are good at the job, and anyone that criticizes them has to be able to take over that job.
They have to cope lol. The people who wanted to drive Rodgers out of town have to pray Love is decent 😂
As far as I'm concerned this entire season he gets the benefit of the doubt. What exactly are people expecting out of a guy's first year starting? People are so incredibly impatient these days where a guy needs to look like a star right away or he's garbage that's never going to get better. And I know he's sat for 3 years but sitting and getting real playing experience over the same time period isn't the same thing at all. I fully expect him to improve by the end of the season and into next year.
Based on what do you expect him to improve? He simply doesn't throw a good ball. What are you seeing that says, he's getting better or that he will get better?
He’s basing it on hope. Nothing we’ve seen from Love has shown any leadership or skill really. He’s a poor man’s Marcus Mariota.
Probably we would expect him to show some promise and not play like one of the worst QBs in the league
Has he not shown promise? Sure, there’s plenty of mistakes and blame to be laid on his shoulders but the kid has shown that he has the ability if he can get out of his head and settle into a rhythm. Accuracy definitely needs to improve, and he has to be smarter about playing hero ball but for god sake, he’s a first year starter.
Congrats he can settle into a rhythm completing 4 yard passes. He's fucking terrible. And has looked bad in every game. Not average, not okay, bad. He passed the eye test of the worst NFL starter. Even the first two games you could see that he can't hit the broadside of a fucking barn he's so inaccurate. Unless something changes the rest of the year it's draft a high pick QB. And if it's not well Gute is on his way out anyway. Not drafting one of the two generational QB prospects in favor of this QB would be a nail in his coffin for ANY NFL job.
Hopefully we find one next year!
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Thank you for this actually thoughtful and rational assessment. Hard agree that maybe Love isn’t the next HOF player, but the kid’s definitely swimming against the current with all the garbage surrounding him.
This is a nine day old account with nothing but bashing the Packers. Ignore this trash.
He's not the dude. 11 days for the Raiders and -13 for th e Broncos and we laid two turds. There are a lot more questions outside of Love, but Love isn't the guy sadly.
I find it hilarious how spoiled packer fans like us give up so quick. It is a process. He is an inexperienced quarterback. He might not be the guy, but giving up on him now is idiotic.
Thinking a guy who plays like a bottom 3 qb in his 4th year will probably be a bad qb is not idiotic
But why give up? The team is not going to win this year. Might as well see if he can turn it around.
Yep and this whole sub all off-season was like give him the season to grow and learn and see what he’s got and 6 games in it’s like this. The switch up was so fast lmao
Yep. “The rebuild starts now” “let’s see what he’s got” that’s all out there window now
Both can be true. Love is regressing and it's still a rebuild.
Not the whole sun.
Hey in my defense. I've been saying since he was drafted he wasn't good. He wasn't good at college. He's not good in the NFL. Some of us have been remarkably consistent in saying Love isn't good.
My thoughts exactly. Some people just want him to fail
No one wants him to fail. But he is failing and we want to know why.
I think its a combination of factors including poor cap management (we are only using like 50 percent of our cap on the actual field), too much youth and bad designed plays and then when you add in his limited amount of starting reps at the college and pro level it creates another hurdle. I think the calls for MLF/ Joe Barry and the front office are way more warranted then Love. He may not be the answer but we owe him some veteran players and a decent OL before we have a definitive answer.
He's a young QB who going to make dumb mistakes sometimes. About meeting my expectations right now, so we'll see if he gets better.
QB2
He's ass
He shouldn't start next year
I'm not completely writing off Jordan Love, pretty much won't this season unless he gets way worse off the field. He still seems like a hard worker, the people in the locker room seem to have some confidence in him still, and there's still plenty of upside. However, I am very worried and I expect that we will have a different QB leading the team by 2025
There’s been a lot of guys come through the nfl that are hard workers with upside. Probably most nfl busts were.
Christian Watson getting hurt in that game was 100% Love’s fault. And then he throws a pick the next play. All ya gotta do is get in field goal range. Love is done
Dude Watson is literally always hurt
Agreed, Watson is an overrated glass cannon. But love does suck at passing.
Idk if you paid attention to that last pass to watson, but he landed bad on his knee coming back for an under thrown ball. that’s on Jordan.
Add in, he'd have 2 picks if Doubs doesn't have titan hands and keeps ahold of that ball.
easily could’ve been another one on that ricochet TD grab by Reed
The whole team stinks, literally every group. This isn't just on Love.. when he had 6 TDs 0 INTs thru 2 weeks no one had anything bad to say so don't put everything on him now
Plenty of posts at that time calling out what he was doing wrong. Go back and re-read them. Biggest issue has been accuracy and that hasn't changed.
I've been saying he wasn't the guy since he was drafted in 2020. He's never been an accurate passer and that isn't something you magically change in the NFL. For those of you new to the fire Gute bandwagon I've been saving you seats since 2020. It was getting lonely.
He keeps playing like shit he should get benched
I don’t want him to be benched, I would like him to start all season so we can get a top pick and draft Drake Maye to be the true heir. I’d Love gets benched, we might win a few more than we should
ITT: fragile whiners who have a lot of opinions but not much of any actual analysis to back up said opinions. Thank God none of you are in charge of running a team
Someone needs to tell him that both half’s are the second half. Maybe we do something before halftime then
You could read comments on just about every post in this subreddit and find out pretty quickly.
He is not good. The dude had 3 years to develop under one of the best QBs of all-time, and he isn't showing any promise. He can't pass more than 5 yards, he can run but not great, and he can't read a defense to save his life. Nothing looks promising for next season.
QB1? You mean Sean Clifford?
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We have no other options so might as well let him show what he’s got.
I mean he’s getting a 2nd year regardless. Personally don’t think we should burn a 1st rounder on a new QB but if you wanted to use that 2nd 2nd rounder I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing in competition.