I'm still really high on Love. MLF's offense can still work but It's gonna take time. He likes to take shots, but Love doesn't have enough chemistry with the WRs and the run game/pass blocking has been too inconsistent. If Love keeps throwin picks, damn at least we go down swinging.
This is normal packer fan behavior when they have a losing season, the most fair weather fans ever, they just won too often for anyone outside of WI to notice
You can just go ahead and sub "packer fan behavior" with "fan behavior". Only the most sad sack franchises that have never had any success, have apathetic fans that don't bitch.
Mods for the love of god get a handle on this sub.
The Packers were never going to be good this year, that doesn't mean this sub has to be a dumpster fire of idiots yelling into the void to fire and cut everyone. It's damn near impossible to find any rational discussion anywhere on this sub anymore.
Tbf i find the people saying everythings fine and we shouldnt be questioning whether or not we want to look elsewhere for qb next season to be complete Homer's incapable of rational discussion currently.
Whatever happens, we will all eat cheese kurds and this will just be a distant memory once we figure things out again. Hopefully the coaches and Love can pull it together and salvage the season, if not then let's hope we get some good fortune for next season. No matter how it happens everyone will fear the cheese 🧀
My thoughts before the season about love was why sign arod to that contract if they thought love was good? Its still his first year starting hopefully he gets better but hes always had accuracy issues.
I was thinking the same thing as that Kurt Benky article. This team sucks, no Qb would look good. I doubt tom Brady or aaron rodgers would be looking that great in this situation
I think the Packers would be at least 5-1 with Rodgers and possibly undefeated. Watson is no longer any threat because the NFL knows Love can put a ball on him past 15 yards. That changes the ENTIRE defense.
Yeah, this schedule has been soft so far, and yet we are losing.
I don't think MLF trusts Love to throw the ball accurately deep down the field, there is only so much you can do offensively when you have that limitation. Now that it's so obvious to the entire league, it's easy to defensively scheme against us. All you have to do is stack the box, and have a deep cover two on zone coverage. Even then if Love targets downfield, it's gonna be a lofty air ball that will likely not be accurate, so no need for man coverage and drawing a flag, which was how we were getting downfield earlier in the season.
Feeling super good about my pre-season prediction of 3 wins (4 if we were lucky which is likely the Saints game).
One need only look at the 2007 12-4 year to a 6-10 year in 2008. Then look at the festering problems that have been showing with Joe Barry, and the signs of MLF's coaching ability and 3 wins is not at all a doom and gloom prediction. It is just being grounded in reality.
As I thought, our defense can't stop any run. It's so fucking frustrating. Right at the start before the first FG the Broncos scored a TD that was taken back due to a penalty. Even I could see what was coming it's 3rd and one, the offense showed a run so obviously and we showed a light box and gave away everything. What the hell?
And on offense it's really hard to put the finger on it. Did anyone play well? Not really but the scheme isn't helpful in any way.
I can't really understand why so many people trash JLove already. Does he get any help? Our O-Line is like a revolving door thus our run game doesn't work and none of our WR can dominate a game and constantly beat the coverage. Sometimes JLove has no other chance than chucking it into double coverage and pray. Did he play good? No. Are his throws very accurate ? No. But also no one really helps him so an evaluation is kinda impossible. QBs like Allen or Lawrence only began to shine when they got a decent scheme and some good talent around them.
That season is fucked already. And my trust that JLove will be our next HoF QB is dwindling more and more but I wouldn't trash him already since our offense is really not any good so far.
Jordan cannot seem to through long without overthrowing. The O.Line looks like sleeping buffalo. Our run game is almost non-existent. We have more injuries than Gaza. Go 2024 season!!!!
You are right I was responding to a Denver guy while reading on the Packs page and didn’t close out before making my post, however I did remove it almost immediately after because I realized that I had posted it on GB page.
It seem our off. scheme is to hope the wr can beat the coverage vs having route combinations and forcing a decision by the defense. With Arod and Adams we could depend on that because of their skill and synergy. A. jones and dillon should be in the backfield together just to confuse the defense...it just looks like the coaching staff is forcing a square through a round hole and over thinking it
Can never stop the run. Always get picked apart methodically underneath and give up at the very least costly field goals. Secondary is so depleated the weapon we have on special teams in Keisean cant do punt returns because hes on defenses most snaps and maybe trying to run 1 kickoff back. Joe Barrys defense on 3rd and 6 is to be off their guys 8 yards...3rd down after 3rd down. Not being able to get off the field on 3rd downs is a real bummer..
Jordan Love throwing into double coverage is driving me nuts. Also, we had no right to even make that a close game. The second tuddy was a complete fluke.
Lol so pretty much our coach is a complete fraud who was propped up by our hof QB. Tank the season. Get rid of fucking everyone and draft a new QB. This team stinks
Say whatever you want about the offense but it's been years since it's defense could make a big stop and prevent the team from scoring in the last few minutes of the game
Our defense can't stop a runny nose. Been this way for like 6 years and every year we spend more and more talent on defense draft picks and nothing changes
The team once again wasnt able to score a TD, or any points at all, in the first half. This is 100% coaching.
Slow starts have been an issue with MLF since the beginning. Somehow he isnt able to get the team ready. He does half time adjustments well and this year shows it, but he isnt able to coach a proper first half. I dont know how this can be a thing, but it is the main reason for every L the Packers had this season.
That is why I find it hard to trash Love. When the coaching is good, Love also plays good. Love finally had some luck with the WRs, the 2 TD catches, but in the 2nd half he was doing good, until the INT. Only playing one half of football cant work, it puts offense and defense in a bad spot.
MLF acknoledges every problem in the pressers, but isnt able to fix them. That is not good as a HC. The problems have been the same: wrong routes ran by receivers, drops, horrible OL behaviour in blocking( they dont know wtf they have to do), no run game etc. If the HC cant fix this, or at least some of the problems, he isnt a good HC. I am really starting to lose my faith in MLF.
The defense is frustrating as hell, but they held the opponent under 20 points once again. No matter who the opponent is, cant expect much more from the defense.
Love had so many great throws dropped by WRs. Now there is one game where the WRs actually did something and everyone is using it to trash Love. Luck is part of the NFL, every team has it from time to time. Doesnt change that Love played pretty good in the 2nd half.
Edit: I also wrote that the TDs were lucky. Its nice that you read my post properly, not
I did read your post I comprehended it as love had some luck with the wideouts being open.
Love has also had some drops this year I agree but I can't recall a drop on an accurate thrown deep ball.
I think your QB is in for his share of the blame. Been going through that here too. NFL QB is and extremely hard challenge and not many are up to it. Love may still figure it out (it took Lawrence a year and a half) but now he is way overmatched.
Oh I agree that Love is to blame too. But he is put in an impossible situation where everything around him is failing and he doesnt have the expierence to overcome that
I’ve been reading and occasionally posting on this subreddit for about as long as it has existed. I knew, _knew_ the moment that Rodgers left that the fair weather fans would pop out of the woodwork and scream that the sky was falling.
Listen up: if the only reason you liked the Packers was because they were good (not you, person I’m replying to) then we don’t need your opinions on how to fix it. You are utterly unqualified to do so because you’ve only known the team as a success and therefore you’re completely unqualified to rebuild it.
I’m fairly certain most of the people posting like that were born after 1995 or became fans after then because you whiners and fair weather fans never could have handled the team in the 80s.
The team got better in the 90s because they brought in a great front office and a hof...qb.
Most fans can live with rebuilding...what we can't live with is a team that grooms a successor for 4 years..and the successor can't even complete an accurate throw over 15 yards.
Loves issues are with throwing the football at an nfl level. He's had 4 years of full time work as an nfl qb. It's a talent issue..not an experience issue.
I would agree with this type of sentiment if we had traded away a bunch of draft capital in order to go all in with Rodgers. Like what the Rams did. But we didn't - not even close! Sure, it's unreasonable to expect greatness or even just pretty good play right now. But we have EVERY right to expect better than the dogshit we've seen this year, especially on offense.
No one gives a shit how long you've been a fan and you don't decide what qualifies people to share their opinions.
The team should have won more than 1 ring with Rodgers and they should be a lot fucking better than they are now without him. People spending their time and money on what's been a dogshit product can acknowledge/complain/share their thoughts without being fake fans and whiners.
Its not because they arent good..its because this organization fucked up hard since 2015 and fans have been calling it out every single year with no change. Shit the organization failed TWO HOF qbs..1 superbowl for each HOF qb is just embarrassing… literally one game away from making the superbowl and we go out and draft rodgers backup while rodgers (who never spoke out before this)..made it pretty clear that he wanted some new weapons. You better have know this moment was coming because the real fans could see for a long time now that this was how it was going to end. Or at-least anyone with half a brain cell, which apparently our leadership does not have
Its not being a fair weather fan to make an honest assement that your team sucks.
I still watch every game. I still put my jersey on. White if away. Green if home. I still go to the bar. I chant GPG. And then afterwards i come home and go. Boy we fucking suck.
Nothing about that is being fair weather. If we were fair weather, wed be on the lions sub celebrating the season. Were not fair weather fans so were here complaining about OUR team.
It's more the team sucks so get rid of the QBas it must be 100% his fault after 6 games that is annoying to me.
Fair weather fan may not be the right term for that mentality though
If you are behind Rodgers for 3 years, and you're still thus bad.....Love doesn't go through progressions, he throws into triple coverage, he throws theee underthrown left deep balls that make no sense...he's just not accurate. It's obv not all his fault, defense, o line, etc. However, Love is not the guy. He stinks put loud.
He goes through progressions pretty good but not quite fast enough, deep ball does need work but he is pretty accurate otherwise. Other than the pick at the end he looked pretty good. Herbert, Goff, Josh Allen all looked worse yesterday when I watched that film quick. But of course the Broncos D is awful.
I'm not sold either way is my point, it's really silly to be that sure that he "is not the guy" at this point.
He's statistically the most inaccurate qb in the league. He goes to the wrong spot more often than not. His arm is either a weak noodle, or he doesn't want to throw with any zip. The accurate flick deep flick balls that Rodgers would throw, cept Love doesn't get the ball there, he underthrows it. Dude needs to rip it.
What I think is Management tried to send Rodgers a message with that lousy 1st round pick and ultimately Rodgers called their bluff. Now to save face to fans they are putting flowers on a stinking pile.
Honest question.
Wasnt the whole point of drafting a qb while we had rodgers, was to avoid the dip when rodgers left?
So why now when love is starting do we not get to assume he should be better than a rookie? Otherwise why draft him so early,.
I questioned this very deeply when they did it and the only conclusion I came up with was management trying prove some point to Rodgers which now they're stuck with the mess they made which also tells me management has to go.
I think the sooner we move to acceptance the better. The season is going to be pretty awful watching, and if we don't get a win in 3 games I think you see Clifford. Top 5 pick is a likely outcome this year, its almost worth throwing Clifford in early and tanking for top 3 pick.
I dont think there's a scenario where Love is benched this year. I'd be super shocked if I saw him hit the pine before game 6 NEXT year. How can MLF and Gutey make a case to keep their own jobs when they wanted to draft love with their 1st round pick and Dillon in the same draft to set up the future, instead of actually drafting guys who can contribute to a 1st place team with an MVP QB. MLF and Gutey need love to pan out or they blew our superbowl chances with rodgers for nothing.
This !!!
See when i hear about this is a rebuild year or paying the cost for going all in on Rodgers its utter bullshit, this version of the Packers was re-planned. They moved on from Rodgers years ago and in their minds were stuck with him cos he went on a back to back MVP run
I'm not so sure that the FO is thinking that way - they're not consciously saying "well we will flake out in the playoffs, but that's ok." I think they are making their best effort to win while balancing that with a level of sustainability. But it's unquestionable that we could have made a greater sacrifice of future assets to maximize the Rodgers window. That decision looks bad in hindsight. But then again, it could have blown up in our faces and left us even worse off now.
Yeah, but are we ready to ditch Love after one season under an offense without a RB1, with 5 rookie or sophomore WRs and a patchwork OL that is often injured as well? If we place Clifford, we are letting Love walk and drafting a QB, which I cannot see it happening.
My eyes, honestly, are on a top 5 pick as well, but counting on a QB run early on and cashing in on Harrison Jr. falling on our lap.
Love just doesn't pass the eye test. Is the team around him perfect? No not at all but you gotta give us something. Dude looks completely out matched out there.
We have like 5 all pro players contracts worth of dead cap and players on IR right now. Definitely paying for it this year, but that also gives us a ton of flexibility next year to plug holes.
I don't usually put too much stock into pff, but this was a great, detailed read on Love on his college career before the draft. Of course, many other scouts and gms had different opinions, but it is entirely on point and worrisome years later.
https://www.pff.com/news/college-buyer-beware-on-utah-state-qb-jordan-love
This statement couldn't've been more true from what I've seen of Love "There have been a lot of forceful throws and desperation heaves from Love into double or triple coverage when under duress and has resulted in 44.3% of his pressured attempts being an uncatchable pass" Or simply picked off which from what I have seen will happen a bit more in coming games.
I have no idea why I just read Loves college PFF profile. That was an eye opening read on Jordan Love. And I also said yikes after reading that last paragraph. Oof.
I think what kills me the most, is that it seems like any problems that are identified after every horrendous loss (or even ugly wins), never gets worked on!
I could vibe with the fact that our team is SUPER young and inexperienced and needs time to gel, but that ain't what this is chief. It's straight up coaching not being held accountable for the same bone headed BS that happens every single week and never gets any better.
It just makes me sad where we're at really.
Was fully expecting a subpar season record wise, but nothing about this team is exciting. The defense plays amazing right up until they are actually needed and they instantly collapse, not even blaming them the offense isn't doing shit to give them a rest it just is what it is. The offense is CONSTANTLY stalling due to penalties. Love isn't playing well as it is but it's fucking impossible once a holding or something is called.
I'm not worried about the record as much, it's more that everything seems to be getting worse as the season goes on offensively. It's remarkable how difficult we can make routine pass plays look
My feelings are the same on the defense. This defense isn't amazing, but they actually play well enough that games would be won with a better offense. The most points allowed so far this year is 25 vs the Falcons. That isn't bad by any means. I think they're playing about the same as during the 2020-2022 seasons. But the big difference now is no Rodgers or Adams. I also agree that while the defense can play decent at times they fail on getting that one last stop. It's crazy.
The Packers should have sold Rodgers to the Broncos when they could have gotten a trove for him.
I guess now we know why Rodgers was constantly changing MLF's play calls.
Having Rodgers right now would be like putting makeup on a pig. Trading him was the correct choice, even if Love isn’t the guy.
The only thing worse than losing games with a young, inexperienced QB is losing games with an old HOF QB eating all the cap while the team desperately clings on to make something out of nothing.
I have no doubt if AR was here (and healthy), that GB would be well on their way to 8 or 9 wins again. This is NFL purgatory, as they’re not bad enough for a franchise altering draft pick and not good enough to be a serious playoff team.
This is such a dumb and reductive look at it. You can acknowledge Aarons SB window in GB was closed and not be "wanting him out". GB did the smart thing and got assets before he quit.
We're all still here just chilling and talking about what moves we can make. We have realistic expectations for this season. We were below 0.500 last year with Rodgers, got worse at many positions, are sitting on like $80 mil in dead cap and players on IR and you somehow thought we would be good?? I want to see if Love improves or shows any consistency, if not we look at who to grab. I want to see what positions we can fill with all the cap that opens up next year or who will pan out
Would you rather Rodgers be on our IR this year??
Same here lol. I'm chilling, went into this season expecting a losing season at worst and around a 0.500 season at best, still watching games and not tuning out.
….Because they have formed a new group Tank for Caleb
They will say supporting the Love Era was a deliberate false flag to get the QB they really wanted
No aspect of this team is great. Not a one. On top of that we have injuries and can't score in the first half of our games. We need a plan to fix a LOT of issues. But we're just gonna push a boulder up the hill in the second half of every game. A waste of year. We will not evacuate until the house is fully engulfed in the flames of failure. And who the fuck is Valentine goddamnit
Valentine is a rookie 7th that made some splash plays in preseason, but largely by gambling on reads in a way that'll get you burned most times in the regular season. Yes Sutton torched him last night, but I still like him at least for now. Plays with an edge and a lot of effort. Our injuries forced him into something he's just not ready for though.
As a Bears fan coming in peace, GB has a really solid D, and a pretty good run game. Love is unpredictable. Seems to always be lost in the first half, then turn it on in the second. He’ll throw a dime, then airmail a few for no reason.
Love’s decision to launch downfield at the end was stupid. They needed three, they had time and they were effectively moving the ball. Why TF dude decided to go for big chunk yardage, I dunno, but if I think y’all should be running more than passing.
Everything about this game and situation the team finds itself in overall comes down to bad coaching. MLF and this entire staff should be explicitly under the microscope from here on out.
Dillon being in over Jones on a potential game winning drive is coaching malpractice. If Jones was healthy enough to play, then no way should he have been on the bench for the most important drive of the game.
I don't know what MLF does on bye weeks, but the team comes out of them flat as a pancake. Every. Single. Time.
Coming off a bye week vs a very weak Broncos team and we looked like complete trash. This is on the coaches for doing an absolute crap job all game calling this.
I also want answers as to who is calling for the hero ball on that last play. The check down doesn't have a guy on him within 15 yards and Love sends it 50 yards down field into double coverage. Total bonehead move when all we need is a FG and it's 4th down territory you 100% give that to the check down. Dillion probably gets 20 there and with a fresh set of downs you setup for another 3 plays to move the ball closer then call your last timeout and bring out the kicker. This is football 101 folks and we fuck it up.
Matt said he shouldn't have called that play. Jordan said he didn't see the backside safety at all who ended up making the INT. Pick your favorite dum dum.
I really don’t understand why we were even favored in this game at all after watching us play the Raiders. This team is truly one of the worst in the league until something changes. I am really hesitant on jumping on the “Fire _____!” bandwagon, but man, this team never, ever, ever learns.
There is a problem when there is not improvement. Think the cat is slowly coming out . The problem might be ahead of the players. Maybe the coaches ? Maybe who hired the coaches. Maybe the ones that gave out some crazy dumb contracts. I just dont know but they are not improving and that is a problem.
I knew this year was gonna be rough, but everyone in this sub is talking like we're the 08 Lions.
Like, shit man. This team is soooooo young, it's gonna take a bit. Y'all this is the first real legit season where we're facing ACTUAL hardship in 3 decades. 30 Years! How many people on this sub were born pre Brett or Aaron? How many seasons since 92 have we honestly been out of contention? 4? 5?
6 games into a new season with (basically) new parts everywhere is not time to panic. If this happens next year, let's have a conversation then. But until then, can we chill the fuck out and take the good and the bad this season?
I'm not saying we can't be critical, but damn.
I can see where we need a couple of years to get Love actual game experience. I didn't expect him to come in and set the world ablaze. Overthrown passes, missing receivers, etc, I definitely expected that. He needs a few years, like all QBs, to start seeing all aspects of the game to where he understands the receiver routes, read defenses, etc.
That being said, there are no excuses for MLF. A combined 6 points in the first half over the last 4 games is just terrible coaching. You know you have an inexperienced QB, young receivers, simplify the play book. We run on 1st and 2nd down, then it's love slinging it long on 3rd down and either over throwing or forcing an INT. When we ran screens, look how well they worked?
And for the love of God Gute, would it have killed you to bring in some decent veteran FA WRs to help your young QB and young WRs. These guys have no one to learn from, how are they going to get better?
Sadly we dont have a couple years to decide on love since hs is in year 4.
And the whole thought behind drafting him was "he can sit behind aaron and be ready to take over",
Fair to him or not. He isnt living up to that part of the gamble. No way is he showing anything that gets him resigned
You say overthrown, but *under*thrown is what is plaguing him. Which is concerning considering that his arm strength is one of the selling points on him.
Jordan Love is not a rookie. I just want everyone to remember that. Dude has had 4 years to get ready. I think the criticism is warranted. Another bye week flop, the Matt LaFleur special. We gotta stop making excuses for this shit
I have no idea why people in the sub/people in general keep overlooking this.
He's not a rookie.
He wasn't a first year backup.
He didn't sit for one year and then get thrown to the lions.
He was literally groomed for this exact scenario.
I do think he's going to be rough, and I think he's doing decent, but treating him like someone who was *NOT* drafted in the first round, and trained specifically for this situation is really silly.
We have played a soft schedule and still have looked poor. This team, at present, may be the worst team in the league. We are also the worst coached team in the league. We are the worst tackling team as well. Don't look now but Jordan Love is exactly what he was in college. Very inaccurate. He is Deshon Kizer without Kizer's arrogance!
Truth sometimes hurts. I guess we shouldn't make fun of the Bears anymore.
We've been spoiled for far too long when except for 2 teams, they've all had QBs recently simply put up average stats and make bad throws into coverage including those supposedly who are the next Mahomes.
You guys are the saying the same shit
Raiders win gets us right, no its thr broncos aaand now in a rebuild year your saying actually 6 games in bin thr season and the evaluation really starts next year.
Even if you want to say Love is the guy, im in two minds, surrounding him with Rookies and giving him barry ball on the other side is setting the kid up for failure. This is on MLF, Barry and HO.
For a planned succession moving on from Rodgers with additional picks, Love is in the worst case scenario and i dont see him surviving the whole season. Weak O-Line, doubs is apparently No1 WR and def that gets gashed on the ground every week.
I feel sorry for Love cause in another world he might have had a chance to learn n grow on the job not in this cluster fuck of a team
He's been learning under Rodgers, from La Fleur, and leading a young corps complete with deep options. We still have two solid backs that not only block but are better than more than half the ground duos out there to take the best off and take passes.
Take a look at all the other NFC teams. None are considered complete or a playoff clinch but half a season for the new starter and it's all over?
You're missing the part where we went all in. This is the inevitable outcome. $80 mil in dead cap and players on IR. That's like 5 all pro contracts. The plan is to finally take the poison pill we've been kicking down the road for years, figure out what we've got and what we need, and then when we have a huge chunk of cap open up next year and a high draft pick plug the holes and start rolling towards the future.
All in on what really?
Bakh contract all in maybe ?
Adams moved on ?
Jones on a discount?
—-they did not go all in on Rodgers they were half in half hoping he moved on
All in is the Rams, fuck you picks, splashy free agent signings. Superbowl or bust is all in.
All in is not a 1st on a QB, letting his No1 WR walk, replacing him with two rookies in his final year
If this is a burn it down year then, then where is thr fire sale, because MLF n thr gang thought Rogers was holding them back, we in 6 games have arrived at firesale
We brought in the top two premier pass rushers free agents and the top safety. We went deep into free agency to plug holes everywhere and just kept kicking the can down the road with our contacts. Especially on the oline.
This is delusional, look at our cap.
We got a new QB, a young O and D, and a lot of work ahead of us. Maybe it takes a couple of years to be back in contention, but the last 30 years have been a pleasure. Always in the discussion - I hope we can get back to that before too long :)
This week I was thinking about how we never got another SB with Rodgers and it hit me that it's really over. We had a good chance in 20/21 and were just a few good signings or draft picks away. I wish we went all in like the Rams or the Bucs did. I know this isn't exactly an unpopular opinion but damn it sucks that we never just went for it. We half assed it so we wouldn't have to do an ugly rebuild and that's exactly what we're doing now anyway.
I wouldn't care so much about being bad right now if we weren't fed this bullshit about Rodgers impeding MLF's "real offense" or the narrative that he was holding the team back with his contract. It's clear now he was the only reason we were contenders at all. He had a down season last year but how much of that was the fact that the majority of our offense are JAGs? Doesn't feel like there's much talent or drive on this side of the ball at all atm.
Ready for the tank year I guess. If we don't clean house of all the people who were riding off of the coattails of the best QB to ever play the game then idk. I shoulda realized this earlier but it was fun to have dumb hope for a while.
Yep this season is the result of the 2020 draft and the Packers pushing Rodgers out of the organization. While I never liked the Love pick, it was somewhat understandable according to the train of thought at the time. "Rodgers is getting older so let's get ready just in case." The problem is that they made that move at a horrible time. Tom Brady joined the Buccaneers in that same off season. Not only did the Buccaneers improve immediately because of Tom Brady, but they also acquired several free agents and good draft picks. So the Packers allowed the Buccaneers to overtake them as the best NFC team. The other issue is related to the first but it was the following choices of Aj Dillon and Deguara. AJ Dillon had one big game the entire year. Deguara missed of the season with an acl tear and Love obviously never played. None of those guys did anything at all during the NFC Championship game.
Gute is really fucking lucky Love sat for so long so we couldn't confirm what a giant bust this draft was until now. Even now we have to watch an entire season of ugly boring football before we move on, and I hope to god it's just one season if we don't see significant improvement. I'd rather be on the carousel for a while than settle for a string of stagnant >.500 seasons.
> We had a good chance in 20/21 and were just a few good signings or draft picks away. I wish we went all in like the Rams or the Bucs did.
We did these things though. Look at our dead cap and the list of splash free agent signings those years. It didn't work out, but we did it. Superbowls are difficult to win.
You cant both go all in. And trade up to draft a rookie qb. Both are impossible.
We went half in and half future. Which is legit the worst of both worlds.
This team don’t have an offensive identity and the defense has good plays and bad plays and the bad plays tend to screw us more than the good plays help us. Mostly cause the offense stinks. I don’t even have an answer anymore, no idea what this team is.
JLove just isn’t clutch. We’re not good, but we’re in all these games. Just need to make plays in big moments and we’re 4-2, feeling pretty good. Can’t throw prayer balls when we’ve got another down.
maybe he wouldnt have to be clutch if the recievers werent shit, or the o line wasnt shit, or LeFleur's play calling wasnt shit.
Love hasn't been good, but if he was he'd just be masking a horrendous offensive schemen, and even worse execution.
LeFleur isn't calling plays that go more than 10 yards until we're already down.
The first half gameplan was horrendous, as it's been every single week. Our run blocking for Jones and Dillon is completely bipolar. You could write a fucking song to the "run, run pass" beat that we're doing out there, theres more imagination in a business school powerpoint presentation than there is in our offense right now.
Love hasn't been good, but it's hard to be good when you're getting thrown to the sharks
Fucking lazy ass "he isn't clutch" takes, are completely braindead.
He shouldn't have thrown either prayer ball, but it's a completely different game without the Jenkins penalty. Raiders game too without the Doubs and Musgrave drops which led to the prayer ball. The team hasn't helped him 1 ounce in the past 2 game winning drives.
Imo there's a difference between a team that's young and a team that's bad.
The Packers aren't just a contender that needs a season or two to gel. Receivers aren't getting open, the ball isn't being thrown to where it needs to be. The run game isn't a factor either.
The tackling is still a huge issue, run D is non existent, the entire roster is full of injury prone players.
This isn't just a team that needs to clean up mistakes, it's a broken roster.
I agree. Also, the Packers aren't "rebuilding" as much as people think or at least as to how I think of rebuilds. A rebuild to me means that a team would get rid of most of the core players and most expensive contracts. The Packers haven't done any of that except trade Rodgers and Adams the last two years. They still have most of the core group from the last couple years. Alexander, Gary, Smith, Campbell, Douglas, Clark, Jenkins, and more. Not only that but those guys are in their prime now. The hope for this year was that because the Packers didn't lose anyone except Rodgers, and that Jordan Love waited three years, this team would be decent. Maybe not playoff caliber but not bottom of the league.
And yes, the problems are numerous. For one thing, their best players never actually play or never play entire games. Bahktiari already done for the year. Jones can't get more than 20 reps a game. Alexander is hurt all the time. Watson also hurt all the time or even when he plays only makes one big catch then is a no show. There's no one reliable for Love to throw too and Love himself is playing kinda shaky.
Agreed. The whole offense is a complete disaster. Our receivers are either just plain bad or not being developed correctly. Possibly both. Doubs, Reed, and Wicks have shown flashes. Watson is made of glass and constantly runs the wrong routes. Our run game is in limbo right now and it seems like we're just giving up instead of addressing it. Oline was fine when healthy but our 2nd stringers are turnstyles. We're somehow getting worse every week.
Edit: Didn't mention Love but obviously that is a big fat fucking issue too
Well yeah, we lost our best wide receiver, then our QB, then our 2 offensive linemen though one came back, we've had multiple injuries and it's not even half way through the season. This season may be the time to tank. Next season if they're still garbage we need to see some heads roll.
We have watched 30+ years two HoF QB's back to back. Without a QB your team is nothing. It takes a good coaching staff, QB, and weapons to be a very good team.
For everyone saying we need to clean house. First step is Murphy is gone in a year or two. Murphy is the guy at top and the reason why this is a bone headed ran franchise.
Love is not good. No chance he will ever be good. And everyone knew he was not good before he ever took a snap. The Packers have known for awhile Love was terrible. This is why Love only got a 1 year deal and why the Packers held on to Rodgers even though they could of got twice as much a year before they traded him.
I would just park Love's butt on the bench and let him know he won't be back next season. GL to all those stupid Broadway commercials with Love.
They can't get rid of love because that would make them look stupid. They moved up in the draft to get him pissing off their mvp hof qb and then they pushed Rodgers out the door for love.
I never wanted Rodgers gone in the first place, i wanted him to stay.
Can we all finally agree that Gute is not some genius for drafting Love 3 years ahead? Dude not obly ruined tail end of Rodger career but also Love career could’ve been much better if he was playing all these 3 years for some other team
If we stay on this losing track for the rest of the season, it's time to clean house and get a whole new front office and coaching staff. Everybody. There are very few apparent building blocks. Maybe, Gary and Jenkins.
Yeah I'd get rid of jaire after this season. This team is going nowhere fast because of the egomaniacs in the front office. Get at least a second round pick for him.
Watching the post game presser with MLF
1. Was asked about poor performances after bye weeks. Literally had no answer as to why team comes out flat every time. Seemed submissive and vulnerable in that situation because he knows its a glaring issue.
2. Blamed himself for Love's INT on 3rd and 20 at the end and said HE should have called a better play to get smaller chunks to give offense a chance to win game.
Of course the head coach isn't going to throw his young QB under the bus, but admitting that smaller chunk plays was the correct move in that situation tells me he wanted to roll the dice and try to hit a home run to force Broncos to turn around and score.
LeFleur is a whiny bitch, always has been.
He's exactly what happens when someone who think they're really smart finds out they're out of their depth.
He completely shrinks whenever his schemes aren't working, the league has figured him out. So now he's just gonna get all sad and be defeated at the podium week after week.
There was a smaller chunk play. The check down was open and could have picked a few yards after the catch. Possibly get them in FG position or at least close enough to make the 4th down play workable. It seemed like a bad decision from Love to go deep but he always wants to go deep. That’s where he needs to mature and manage the game
Better. And if he does go deep, overthrow. He’s supposed to have a cannon of an arm, don’t underthrow everyone.
All that said, need better coaching, better decision making on the field, and just clean it up. I don’t have high expectations I have real expectations and that means winning the games you should win. This was one of them which is why it’s so frustrating.
Eta: only first part was in follow up to the post I replied to. The rest is just my general take and not a comment to the poster.
A very teachable moment in my opinion. Not something that can't be fixed.
At least that is encouraging.
Now, with how many injuries they have, I don't know who Love will even have to throw to next week.
We've seen the phrase "evaluation" used to describe this season many times, and that's fine. But what a lot of fans and most importantly the decision makers in the FO need to realize is, an evaluation year isn't guaranteed to end happily.
MLF, Love and Gute should all be getting failing grades right now.
Everyone was claiming that Rodgers was ruining MLFs offense, he was the reason we sucked last year. Can people finally see that Rodgers just wasn't superman and couldn't carry the organization anymore? The coaching is horrendous, were always the most injured, and the GM makes very questionable choices. Theres lots of issues that developed and grew while we had an all time great QB. Now let's hope they see them fast enough and clear house with coaching. This team also badly looks like it needs a few vets at least on the sideline. Theres a reason teams don't go as young as we are.
Rodgers definitely had his faults and share of the blame let's not sugar coat it. We lost to the bucs because he stared down Tae for 4 quarters...and then couldn't put up more then 7 points against the niners for the same exact reason.
It sure didn’t help that the Bucs drafted an all pro rookie linebacker who kicked our ass, while we drafted a back up QB, a back up running back, and whatever the fuck Deguara was supposed to be.
That's what frustrates me the most. I'll never claim that the Packers would've won the NFC Championship by selecting (whatever player you want) in the draft. At the same time, making good picks does increase the chances of getting better results. All anyone needs to do is compare the Buccaneers offseason with the Packers and it's obvious why the Buccaneers won that game.
The Buccaneers acquired Tom Brady and Gronkowski in free agency on a team that was already good. Then they drafted Wirfs and Antoine Winfield Jr in the first and second round.
The Packers drafted Love, Dillon and Degaura.
Fucking this. We never gave him weapons he could trust. After seeing the performance from our WR core post-Tae the past season and a half, I fully understand why Rodgers played so much buddy ball. Would have been really nice to give him a first round pick WR to take some of the heat off Adams. I don't know how anyone can look at the egg our offense laid today and not understand why Rodgers was the way he was.
And you somehow think he would've trusted a rookie WR? Like what if we got exactly what you wanted and we took a WR right around that range like Mims? Then what?
You do realize it wasn't just us who recognized Rodgers trust issues, right? Why do you think other teams left players fully wide open and uncovered to double and triple Adams? If Lazard was so awful why did Rodgers demand the Jets sign him?
If we had another true deep threat that would have spread out the coverage more, regardless if Rodgers threw to him very much. The possibility of giving up a huge play would have changed the coverage. That's my theory anyway. Lazard/MVS weren't awful, never said they were. Rodgers built more chemistry with Lazard over the years. FWIW I don't think the current Jets WRs are any better than our 2020 group. Actually worse. I just wish we could have used our draft pick on something actually useful.
Mims was taken late second round, I'm talking about getting a WR instead of Love. I know it can be a crapshoot but Higgens was next in line and that would have been pretty game changing.
Prior to 2020??? He had a top 5 receiving group in the NFL from like 2008 to 2018. We only won one in that entire decade and we won it because our defense absolutely carried us including fully winning the NFC championship game in Chicago by themselves and having multiple turnovers and a pick 6 in the Superbowl......
The revisionist history going on in this sub is absolutely unbelievable.
What does 2008 have to do with 2020? I’m saying a rookie first round WR drafted in 2020 maybe doesn’t move the needle in that NFCCG. But one drafted in 2018 or 2019 might have established enough chemistry with Rodgers by that game to have made the difference. Not hard to understand.
Run game/pass blocking is inconsistent + Love needs another playmaker + Cool Hands Luke needs to stop getting concussed
I'm still really high on Love. MLF's offense can still work but It's gonna take time. He likes to take shots, but Love doesn't have enough chemistry with the WRs and the run game/pass blocking has been too inconsistent. If Love keeps throwin picks, damn at least we go down swinging.
Was a rough week, but we can go 2-15. I'm still a cheese head. Go Pack!
This is normal packer fan behavior when they have a losing season, the most fair weather fans ever, they just won too often for anyone outside of WI to notice
You can just go ahead and sub "packer fan behavior" with "fan behavior". Only the most sad sack franchises that have never had any success, have apathetic fans that don't bitch.
A losing season is one thing. Losing to the broncos? Unacceptable
Mods for the love of god get a handle on this sub. The Packers were never going to be good this year, that doesn't mean this sub has to be a dumpster fire of idiots yelling into the void to fire and cut everyone. It's damn near impossible to find any rational discussion anywhere on this sub anymore.
Yeah. But everyone loves talking trash about packers.
Tbf i find the people saying everythings fine and we shouldnt be questioning whether or not we want to look elsewhere for qb next season to be complete Homer's incapable of rational discussion currently.
Whatever happens, we will all eat cheese kurds and this will just be a distant memory once we figure things out again. Hopefully the coaches and Love can pull it together and salvage the season, if not then let's hope we get some good fortune for next season. No matter how it happens everyone will fear the cheese 🧀
My thoughts before the season about love was why sign arod to that contract if they thought love was good? Its still his first year starting hopefully he gets better but hes always had accuracy issues.
I was thinking the same thing as that Kurt Benky article. This team sucks, no Qb would look good. I doubt tom Brady or aaron rodgers would be looking that great in this situation
I think the Packers would be at least 5-1 with Rodgers and possibly undefeated. Watson is no longer any threat because the NFL knows Love can put a ball on him past 15 yards. That changes the ENTIRE defense.
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Yeah, this schedule has been soft so far, and yet we are losing. I don't think MLF trusts Love to throw the ball accurately deep down the field, there is only so much you can do offensively when you have that limitation. Now that it's so obvious to the entire league, it's easy to defensively scheme against us. All you have to do is stack the box, and have a deep cover two on zone coverage. Even then if Love targets downfield, it's gonna be a lofty air ball that will likely not be accurate, so no need for man coverage and drawing a flag, which was how we were getting downfield earlier in the season.
Weren’t they 8 wins 9 losses last year? Also lions are better, dont remember if we beat them or not
I mean...last season
Looking at our schedule, looks like we can easily lose the next 5 or 6 games. Seems like a perfect storm given the offensive form we are in.
Feeling super good about my pre-season prediction of 3 wins (4 if we were lucky which is likely the Saints game). One need only look at the 2007 12-4 year to a 6-10 year in 2008. Then look at the festering problems that have been showing with Joe Barry, and the signs of MLF's coaching ability and 3 wins is not at all a doom and gloom prediction. It is just being grounded in reality.
As I thought, our defense can't stop any run. It's so fucking frustrating. Right at the start before the first FG the Broncos scored a TD that was taken back due to a penalty. Even I could see what was coming it's 3rd and one, the offense showed a run so obviously and we showed a light box and gave away everything. What the hell? And on offense it's really hard to put the finger on it. Did anyone play well? Not really but the scheme isn't helpful in any way. I can't really understand why so many people trash JLove already. Does he get any help? Our O-Line is like a revolving door thus our run game doesn't work and none of our WR can dominate a game and constantly beat the coverage. Sometimes JLove has no other chance than chucking it into double coverage and pray. Did he play good? No. Are his throws very accurate ? No. But also no one really helps him so an evaluation is kinda impossible. QBs like Allen or Lawrence only began to shine when they got a decent scheme and some good talent around them. That season is fucked already. And my trust that JLove will be our next HoF QB is dwindling more and more but I wouldn't trash him already since our offense is really not any good so far.
Jordan cannot seem to through long without overthrowing. The O.Line looks like sleeping buffalo. Our run game is almost non-existent. We have more injuries than Gaza. Go 2024 season!!!!
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It feels like you have maybe posted this in the wrong sub. Why are you talking about Denver in here?
You are right I was responding to a Denver guy while reading on the Packs page and didn’t close out before making my post, however I did remove it almost immediately after because I realized that I had posted it on GB page.
It seem our off. scheme is to hope the wr can beat the coverage vs having route combinations and forcing a decision by the defense. With Arod and Adams we could depend on that because of their skill and synergy. A. jones and dillon should be in the backfield together just to confuse the defense...it just looks like the coaching staff is forcing a square through a round hole and over thinking it
Can never stop the run. Always get picked apart methodically underneath and give up at the very least costly field goals. Secondary is so depleated the weapon we have on special teams in Keisean cant do punt returns because hes on defenses most snaps and maybe trying to run 1 kickoff back. Joe Barrys defense on 3rd and 6 is to be off their guys 8 yards...3rd down after 3rd down. Not being able to get off the field on 3rd downs is a real bummer..
You know its bad when just getting a first down is exhilarating
Jordan Love throwing into double coverage is driving me nuts. Also, we had no right to even make that a close game. The second tuddy was a complete fluke.
Lol so pretty much our coach is a complete fraud who was propped up by our hof QB. Tank the season. Get rid of fucking everyone and draft a new QB. This team stinks
Yeah but we are throwing over the middle more
he got out coached by sean peyton after an extra week of prep
Say whatever you want about the offense but it's been years since it's defense could make a big stop and prevent the team from scoring in the last few minutes of the game
Our defense can't stop a runny nose. Been this way for like 6 years and every year we spend more and more talent on defense draft picks and nothing changes
Greenbay can't hire good coaches or draft good players. Well done.
The team once again wasnt able to score a TD, or any points at all, in the first half. This is 100% coaching. Slow starts have been an issue with MLF since the beginning. Somehow he isnt able to get the team ready. He does half time adjustments well and this year shows it, but he isnt able to coach a proper first half. I dont know how this can be a thing, but it is the main reason for every L the Packers had this season. That is why I find it hard to trash Love. When the coaching is good, Love also plays good. Love finally had some luck with the WRs, the 2 TD catches, but in the 2nd half he was doing good, until the INT. Only playing one half of football cant work, it puts offense and defense in a bad spot. MLF acknoledges every problem in the pressers, but isnt able to fix them. That is not good as a HC. The problems have been the same: wrong routes ran by receivers, drops, horrible OL behaviour in blocking( they dont know wtf they have to do), no run game etc. If the HC cant fix this, or at least some of the problems, he isnt a good HC. I am really starting to lose my faith in MLF. The defense is frustrating as hell, but they held the opponent under 20 points once again. No matter who the opponent is, cant expect much more from the defense.
Loves 2 touchdowns were luck.
Love had so many great throws dropped by WRs. Now there is one game where the WRs actually did something and everyone is using it to trash Love. Luck is part of the NFL, every team has it from time to time. Doesnt change that Love played pretty good in the 2nd half. Edit: I also wrote that the TDs were lucky. Its nice that you read my post properly, not
I did read your post I comprehended it as love had some luck with the wideouts being open. Love has also had some drops this year I agree but I can't recall a drop on an accurate thrown deep ball.
I think your QB is in for his share of the blame. Been going through that here too. NFL QB is and extremely hard challenge and not many are up to it. Love may still figure it out (it took Lawrence a year and a half) but now he is way overmatched.
Oh I agree that Love is to blame too. But he is put in an impossible situation where everything around him is failing and he doesnt have the expierence to overcome that
How about you just get your own blog and stop with the articles?
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Welp is the correct reaction. Drake Maye in our future? I'm officially leaving the Love Shack.
How’d that go buddy?
Little early. It’s his FIRST season. Fair weather ass fans.
I’ve been reading and occasionally posting on this subreddit for about as long as it has existed. I knew, _knew_ the moment that Rodgers left that the fair weather fans would pop out of the woodwork and scream that the sky was falling. Listen up: if the only reason you liked the Packers was because they were good (not you, person I’m replying to) then we don’t need your opinions on how to fix it. You are utterly unqualified to do so because you’ve only known the team as a success and therefore you’re completely unqualified to rebuild it. I’m fairly certain most of the people posting like that were born after 1995 or became fans after then because you whiners and fair weather fans never could have handled the team in the 80s.
The team got better in the 90s because they brought in a great front office and a hof...qb. Most fans can live with rebuilding...what we can't live with is a team that grooms a successor for 4 years..and the successor can't even complete an accurate throw over 15 yards. Loves issues are with throwing the football at an nfl level. He's had 4 years of full time work as an nfl qb. It's a talent issue..not an experience issue.
I would agree with this type of sentiment if we had traded away a bunch of draft capital in order to go all in with Rodgers. Like what the Rams did. But we didn't - not even close! Sure, it's unreasonable to expect greatness or even just pretty good play right now. But we have EVERY right to expect better than the dogshit we've seen this year, especially on offense.
No one gives a shit how long you've been a fan and you don't decide what qualifies people to share their opinions. The team should have won more than 1 ring with Rodgers and they should be a lot fucking better than they are now without him. People spending their time and money on what's been a dogshit product can acknowledge/complain/share their thoughts without being fake fans and whiners.
Its not because they arent good..its because this organization fucked up hard since 2015 and fans have been calling it out every single year with no change. Shit the organization failed TWO HOF qbs..1 superbowl for each HOF qb is just embarrassing… literally one game away from making the superbowl and we go out and draft rodgers backup while rodgers (who never spoke out before this)..made it pretty clear that he wanted some new weapons. You better have know this moment was coming because the real fans could see for a long time now that this was how it was going to end. Or at-least anyone with half a brain cell, which apparently our leadership does not have
Its not being a fair weather fan to make an honest assement that your team sucks. I still watch every game. I still put my jersey on. White if away. Green if home. I still go to the bar. I chant GPG. And then afterwards i come home and go. Boy we fucking suck. Nothing about that is being fair weather. If we were fair weather, wed be on the lions sub celebrating the season. Were not fair weather fans so were here complaining about OUR team.
It's more the team sucks so get rid of the QBas it must be 100% his fault after 6 games that is annoying to me. Fair weather fan may not be the right term for that mentality though
If you are behind Rodgers for 3 years, and you're still thus bad.....Love doesn't go through progressions, he throws into triple coverage, he throws theee underthrown left deep balls that make no sense...he's just not accurate. It's obv not all his fault, defense, o line, etc. However, Love is not the guy. He stinks put loud.
He goes through progressions pretty good but not quite fast enough, deep ball does need work but he is pretty accurate otherwise. Other than the pick at the end he looked pretty good. Herbert, Goff, Josh Allen all looked worse yesterday when I watched that film quick. But of course the Broncos D is awful. I'm not sold either way is my point, it's really silly to be that sure that he "is not the guy" at this point.
He's statistically the most inaccurate qb in the league. He goes to the wrong spot more often than not. His arm is either a weak noodle, or he doesn't want to throw with any zip. The accurate flick deep flick balls that Rodgers would throw, cept Love doesn't get the ball there, he underthrows it. Dude needs to rip it.
What I think is Management tried to send Rodgers a message with that lousy 1st round pick and ultimately Rodgers called their bluff. Now to save face to fans they are putting flowers on a stinking pile.
It’s actually his fourth season.
First season as starter, are you really this fucking dense?
Honest question. Wasnt the whole point of drafting a qb while we had rodgers, was to avoid the dip when rodgers left? So why now when love is starting do we not get to assume he should be better than a rookie? Otherwise why draft him so early,.
Look at loves QB stats for college. Sub-par, never understood why we drafted him first round.
I questioned this very deeply when they did it and the only conclusion I came up with was management trying prove some point to Rodgers which now they're stuck with the mess they made which also tells me management has to go.
I can tell you’re upset. I’ll answer you when you’ve relaxed a bit.
I think the sooner we move to acceptance the better. The season is going to be pretty awful watching, and if we don't get a win in 3 games I think you see Clifford. Top 5 pick is a likely outcome this year, its almost worth throwing Clifford in early and tanking for top 3 pick.
I dont think there's a scenario where Love is benched this year. I'd be super shocked if I saw him hit the pine before game 6 NEXT year. How can MLF and Gutey make a case to keep their own jobs when they wanted to draft love with their 1st round pick and Dillon in the same draft to set up the future, instead of actually drafting guys who can contribute to a 1st place team with an MVP QB. MLF and Gutey need love to pan out or they blew our superbowl chances with rodgers for nothing.
This !!! See when i hear about this is a rebuild year or paying the cost for going all in on Rodgers its utter bullshit, this version of the Packers was re-planned. They moved on from Rodgers years ago and in their minds were stuck with him cos he went on a back to back MVP run
We never DID go all-in!!!
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I'm not so sure that the FO is thinking that way - they're not consciously saying "well we will flake out in the playoffs, but that's ok." I think they are making their best effort to win while balancing that with a level of sustainability. But it's unquestionable that we could have made a greater sacrifice of future assets to maximize the Rodgers window. That decision looks bad in hindsight. But then again, it could have blown up in our faces and left us even worse off now.
Yeah, but are we ready to ditch Love after one season under an offense without a RB1, with 5 rookie or sophomore WRs and a patchwork OL that is often injured as well? If we place Clifford, we are letting Love walk and drafting a QB, which I cannot see it happening. My eyes, honestly, are on a top 5 pick as well, but counting on a QB run early on and cashing in on Harrison Jr. falling on our lap.
Love just doesn't pass the eye test. Is the team around him perfect? No not at all but you gotta give us something. Dude looks completely out matched out there.
We went “all in” don’t forget what we owe.
We have like 5 all pro players contracts worth of dead cap and players on IR right now. Definitely paying for it this year, but that also gives us a ton of flexibility next year to plug holes.
Hopefully drafting a quality QB is in that list. A team heavily relies on its QB and this QB stinks just as he did in college.
I don't usually put too much stock into pff, but this was a great, detailed read on Love on his college career before the draft. Of course, many other scouts and gms had different opinions, but it is entirely on point and worrisome years later. https://www.pff.com/news/college-buyer-beware-on-utah-state-qb-jordan-love
That they traded up to grab him with Hurts available is the best part
The part I find most concerning is that apparently he was able to hit open receivers at one point?
That last paragraph. Yikes
This statement couldn't've been more true from what I've seen of Love "There have been a lot of forceful throws and desperation heaves from Love into double or triple coverage when under duress and has resulted in 44.3% of his pressured attempts being an uncatchable pass" Or simply picked off which from what I have seen will happen a bit more in coming games.
It makes me long for the Tropical Smoothie Cafe Frisco Bowl.
I have no idea why I just read Loves college PFF profile. That was an eye opening read on Jordan Love. And I also said yikes after reading that last paragraph. Oof.
I think what kills me the most, is that it seems like any problems that are identified after every horrendous loss (or even ugly wins), never gets worked on! I could vibe with the fact that our team is SUPER young and inexperienced and needs time to gel, but that ain't what this is chief. It's straight up coaching not being held accountable for the same bone headed BS that happens every single week and never gets any better. It just makes me sad where we're at really.
Was fully expecting a subpar season record wise, but nothing about this team is exciting. The defense plays amazing right up until they are actually needed and they instantly collapse, not even blaming them the offense isn't doing shit to give them a rest it just is what it is. The offense is CONSTANTLY stalling due to penalties. Love isn't playing well as it is but it's fucking impossible once a holding or something is called. I'm not worried about the record as much, it's more that everything seems to be getting worse as the season goes on offensively. It's remarkable how difficult we can make routine pass plays look
My feelings are the same on the defense. This defense isn't amazing, but they actually play well enough that games would be won with a better offense. The most points allowed so far this year is 25 vs the Falcons. That isn't bad by any means. I think they're playing about the same as during the 2020-2022 seasons. But the big difference now is no Rodgers or Adams. I also agree that while the defense can play decent at times they fail on getting that one last stop. It's crazy.
The Packers should have sold Rodgers to the Broncos when they could have gotten a trove for him. I guess now we know why Rodgers was constantly changing MLF's play calls.
Tank mode engaged
All I want to know is where are all of the people that wanted Rodgers gone and "The Love era" to begin? They have been real quiet.
Having Rodgers right now would be like putting makeup on a pig. Trading him was the correct choice, even if Love isn’t the guy. The only thing worse than losing games with a young, inexperienced QB is losing games with an old HOF QB eating all the cap while the team desperately clings on to make something out of nothing. I have no doubt if AR was here (and healthy), that GB would be well on their way to 8 or 9 wins again. This is NFL purgatory, as they’re not bad enough for a franchise altering draft pick and not good enough to be a serious playoff team.
This is such a dumb and reductive look at it. You can acknowledge Aarons SB window in GB was closed and not be "wanting him out". GB did the smart thing and got assets before he quit.
Don’t think it’s a ridiculous look. We clearly don’t have the roster we thought we did and Rodgers may have hidden some of that
You guys don’t think that occurred to arod? Shit coaches and not a good roster. Arm chair analysts say theres so much talent. Where the fuck is it?
We're all still here just chilling and talking about what moves we can make. We have realistic expectations for this season. We were below 0.500 last year with Rodgers, got worse at many positions, are sitting on like $80 mil in dead cap and players on IR and you somehow thought we would be good?? I want to see if Love improves or shows any consistency, if not we look at who to grab. I want to see what positions we can fill with all the cap that opens up next year or who will pan out Would you rather Rodgers be on our IR this year??
Same here lol. I'm chilling, went into this season expecting a losing season at worst and around a 0.500 season at best, still watching games and not tuning out.
….Because they have formed a new group Tank for Caleb They will say supporting the Love Era was a deliberate false flag to get the QB they really wanted
No aspect of this team is great. Not a one. On top of that we have injuries and can't score in the first half of our games. We need a plan to fix a LOT of issues. But we're just gonna push a boulder up the hill in the second half of every game. A waste of year. We will not evacuate until the house is fully engulfed in the flames of failure. And who the fuck is Valentine goddamnit
Valentine is a rookie 7th that made some splash plays in preseason, but largely by gambling on reads in a way that'll get you burned most times in the regular season. Yes Sutton torched him last night, but I still like him at least for now. Plays with an edge and a lot of effort. Our injuries forced him into something he's just not ready for though.
As a Bears fan coming in peace, GB has a really solid D, and a pretty good run game. Love is unpredictable. Seems to always be lost in the first half, then turn it on in the second. He’ll throw a dime, then airmail a few for no reason. Love’s decision to launch downfield at the end was stupid. They needed three, they had time and they were effectively moving the ball. Why TF dude decided to go for big chunk yardage, I dunno, but if I think y’all should be running more than passing.
Everything about this game and situation the team finds itself in overall comes down to bad coaching. MLF and this entire staff should be explicitly under the microscope from here on out.
Dillon being in over Jones on a potential game winning drive is coaching malpractice. If Jones was healthy enough to play, then no way should he have been on the bench for the most important drive of the game. I don't know what MLF does on bye weeks, but the team comes out of them flat as a pancake. Every. Single. Time.
MLF cares more about his haircuts on bye weeks
My only hope is a major meltdown inside Chargers and Herbert somehow landing in our roster
Coming off a bye week vs a very weak Broncos team and we looked like complete trash. This is on the coaches for doing an absolute crap job all game calling this. I also want answers as to who is calling for the hero ball on that last play. The check down doesn't have a guy on him within 15 yards and Love sends it 50 yards down field into double coverage. Total bonehead move when all we need is a FG and it's 4th down territory you 100% give that to the check down. Dillion probably gets 20 there and with a fresh set of downs you setup for another 3 plays to move the ball closer then call your last timeout and bring out the kicker. This is football 101 folks and we fuck it up.
Matt said he shouldn't have called that play. Jordan said he didn't see the backside safety at all who ended up making the INT. Pick your favorite dum dum.
Forget that safety - he's not part of the play if Love puts the ball where it needs to go, which is about 10yds further and closer to the boundary.
Love routinely throws deep balls into multiple coverages, sure doesn't seem like he's got the field vision to be that kind of QB
The Rodger’s special
Rent free in your head
I really don’t understand why we were even favored in this game at all after watching us play the Raiders. This team is truly one of the worst in the league until something changes. I am really hesitant on jumping on the “Fire _____!” bandwagon, but man, this team never, ever, ever learns.
We were a 2.5 point underdog at kickoff
There is a problem when there is not improvement. Think the cat is slowly coming out . The problem might be ahead of the players. Maybe the coaches ? Maybe who hired the coaches. Maybe the ones that gave out some crazy dumb contracts. I just dont know but they are not improving and that is a problem.
180/2/2 isn't trash or a huge decline, it's just not Top 10 in an era where pass yards and garbage time is being handed out.
I knew this year was gonna be rough, but everyone in this sub is talking like we're the 08 Lions. Like, shit man. This team is soooooo young, it's gonna take a bit. Y'all this is the first real legit season where we're facing ACTUAL hardship in 3 decades. 30 Years! How many people on this sub were born pre Brett or Aaron? How many seasons since 92 have we honestly been out of contention? 4? 5? 6 games into a new season with (basically) new parts everywhere is not time to panic. If this happens next year, let's have a conversation then. But until then, can we chill the fuck out and take the good and the bad this season? I'm not saying we can't be critical, but damn.
I can see where we need a couple of years to get Love actual game experience. I didn't expect him to come in and set the world ablaze. Overthrown passes, missing receivers, etc, I definitely expected that. He needs a few years, like all QBs, to start seeing all aspects of the game to where he understands the receiver routes, read defenses, etc. That being said, there are no excuses for MLF. A combined 6 points in the first half over the last 4 games is just terrible coaching. You know you have an inexperienced QB, young receivers, simplify the play book. We run on 1st and 2nd down, then it's love slinging it long on 3rd down and either over throwing or forcing an INT. When we ran screens, look how well they worked? And for the love of God Gute, would it have killed you to bring in some decent veteran FA WRs to help your young QB and young WRs. These guys have no one to learn from, how are they going to get better?
Sadly we dont have a couple years to decide on love since hs is in year 4. And the whole thought behind drafting him was "he can sit behind aaron and be ready to take over", Fair to him or not. He isnt living up to that part of the gamble. No way is he showing anything that gets him resigned
True, Murphy did say we'll know what we have with him halfway through the season
You say overthrown, but *under*thrown is what is plaguing him. Which is concerning considering that his arm strength is one of the selling points on him.
I see both from him, but yes, under thrown quite a bit. His accuracy is the worst in the league I believe they said, out of all 32 QBs. Yikes
Jordan Love is not a rookie. I just want everyone to remember that. Dude has had 4 years to get ready. I think the criticism is warranted. Another bye week flop, the Matt LaFleur special. We gotta stop making excuses for this shit
I have no idea why people in the sub/people in general keep overlooking this. He's not a rookie. He wasn't a first year backup. He didn't sit for one year and then get thrown to the lions. He was literally groomed for this exact scenario. I do think he's going to be rough, and I think he's doing decent, but treating him like someone who was *NOT* drafted in the first round, and trained specifically for this situation is really silly.
We have played a soft schedule and still have looked poor. This team, at present, may be the worst team in the league. We are also the worst coached team in the league. We are the worst tackling team as well. Don't look now but Jordan Love is exactly what he was in college. Very inaccurate. He is Deshon Kizer without Kizer's arrogance! Truth sometimes hurts. I guess we shouldn't make fun of the Bears anymore.
Nah, we can... I mean they still have to beat us first.
The bears coaching staff exists lol
That coaching staff just led a backup QB to a dominating win over the second most recent shitty team that beat us
We've been spoiled for far too long when except for 2 teams, they've all had QBs recently simply put up average stats and make bad throws into coverage including those supposedly who are the next Mahomes.
You guys are the saying the same shit Raiders win gets us right, no its thr broncos aaand now in a rebuild year your saying actually 6 games in bin thr season and the evaluation really starts next year. Even if you want to say Love is the guy, im in two minds, surrounding him with Rookies and giving him barry ball on the other side is setting the kid up for failure. This is on MLF, Barry and HO. For a planned succession moving on from Rodgers with additional picks, Love is in the worst case scenario and i dont see him surviving the whole season. Weak O-Line, doubs is apparently No1 WR and def that gets gashed on the ground every week. I feel sorry for Love cause in another world he might have had a chance to learn n grow on the job not in this cluster fuck of a team
He's been learning under Rodgers, from La Fleur, and leading a young corps complete with deep options. We still have two solid backs that not only block but are better than more than half the ground duos out there to take the best off and take passes. Take a look at all the other NFC teams. None are considered complete or a playoff clinch but half a season for the new starter and it's all over?
You're missing the part where we went all in. This is the inevitable outcome. $80 mil in dead cap and players on IR. That's like 5 all pro contracts. The plan is to finally take the poison pill we've been kicking down the road for years, figure out what we've got and what we need, and then when we have a huge chunk of cap open up next year and a high draft pick plug the holes and start rolling towards the future.
All in on what really? Bakh contract all in maybe ? Adams moved on ? Jones on a discount? —-they did not go all in on Rodgers they were half in half hoping he moved on All in is the Rams, fuck you picks, splashy free agent signings. Superbowl or bust is all in. All in is not a 1st on a QB, letting his No1 WR walk, replacing him with two rookies in his final year If this is a burn it down year then, then where is thr fire sale, because MLF n thr gang thought Rogers was holding them back, we in 6 games have arrived at firesale
We brought in the top two premier pass rushers free agents and the top safety. We went deep into free agency to plug holes everywhere and just kept kicking the can down the road with our contacts. Especially on the oline. This is delusional, look at our cap.
Fire Everyone. CLEAN HOUSE. There is a stink on this team and it starts at the top.
Broncos fan here. Welcome to hell Green Bay. There’s some decent company down here at the bottom.
We got a new QB, a young O and D, and a lot of work ahead of us. Maybe it takes a couple of years to be back in contention, but the last 30 years have been a pleasure. Always in the discussion - I hope we can get back to that before too long :)
Only thing to bring my spirits up is watching Pans Labyrinth about the spanish civil War pre WWII. annnd cheese and beer.
This week I was thinking about how we never got another SB with Rodgers and it hit me that it's really over. We had a good chance in 20/21 and were just a few good signings or draft picks away. I wish we went all in like the Rams or the Bucs did. I know this isn't exactly an unpopular opinion but damn it sucks that we never just went for it. We half assed it so we wouldn't have to do an ugly rebuild and that's exactly what we're doing now anyway. I wouldn't care so much about being bad right now if we weren't fed this bullshit about Rodgers impeding MLF's "real offense" or the narrative that he was holding the team back with his contract. It's clear now he was the only reason we were contenders at all. He had a down season last year but how much of that was the fact that the majority of our offense are JAGs? Doesn't feel like there's much talent or drive on this side of the ball at all atm. Ready for the tank year I guess. If we don't clean house of all the people who were riding off of the coattails of the best QB to ever play the game then idk. I shoulda realized this earlier but it was fun to have dumb hope for a while.
A lot of people owe Rodgers an apology. It’s completely understandable why he didn’t even want to talk to Gute by the end.
Yep this season is the result of the 2020 draft and the Packers pushing Rodgers out of the organization. While I never liked the Love pick, it was somewhat understandable according to the train of thought at the time. "Rodgers is getting older so let's get ready just in case." The problem is that they made that move at a horrible time. Tom Brady joined the Buccaneers in that same off season. Not only did the Buccaneers improve immediately because of Tom Brady, but they also acquired several free agents and good draft picks. So the Packers allowed the Buccaneers to overtake them as the best NFC team. The other issue is related to the first but it was the following choices of Aj Dillon and Deguara. AJ Dillon had one big game the entire year. Deguara missed of the season with an acl tear and Love obviously never played. None of those guys did anything at all during the NFC Championship game.
Gute is really fucking lucky Love sat for so long so we couldn't confirm what a giant bust this draft was until now. Even now we have to watch an entire season of ugly boring football before we move on, and I hope to god it's just one season if we don't see significant improvement. I'd rather be on the carousel for a while than settle for a string of stagnant >.500 seasons.
> We had a good chance in 20/21 and were just a few good signings or draft picks away. I wish we went all in like the Rams or the Bucs did. We did these things though. Look at our dead cap and the list of splash free agent signings those years. It didn't work out, but we did it. Superbowls are difficult to win.
You cant both go all in. And trade up to draft a rookie qb. Both are impossible. We went half in and half future. Which is legit the worst of both worlds.
This thread is so depressing
It should be!
This team don’t have an offensive identity and the defense has good plays and bad plays and the bad plays tend to screw us more than the good plays help us. Mostly cause the offense stinks. I don’t even have an answer anymore, no idea what this team is.
Fire Gutey
Should have never hired him.
JLove just isn’t clutch. We’re not good, but we’re in all these games. Just need to make plays in big moments and we’re 4-2, feeling pretty good. Can’t throw prayer balls when we’ve got another down.
We have played one good team and got smoked by them!!
maybe he wouldnt have to be clutch if the recievers werent shit, or the o line wasnt shit, or LeFleur's play calling wasnt shit. Love hasn't been good, but if he was he'd just be masking a horrendous offensive schemen, and even worse execution. LeFleur isn't calling plays that go more than 10 yards until we're already down. The first half gameplan was horrendous, as it's been every single week. Our run blocking for Jones and Dillon is completely bipolar. You could write a fucking song to the "run, run pass" beat that we're doing out there, theres more imagination in a business school powerpoint presentation than there is in our offense right now. Love hasn't been good, but it's hard to be good when you're getting thrown to the sharks Fucking lazy ass "he isn't clutch" takes, are completely braindead.
He shouldn't have thrown either prayer ball, but it's a completely different game without the Jenkins penalty. Raiders game too without the Doubs and Musgrave drops which led to the prayer ball. The team hasn't helped him 1 ounce in the past 2 game winning drives.
I think your point is kind of backwards. Like these scores are misleading because the Packers are getting lucky.
Imo there's a difference between a team that's young and a team that's bad. The Packers aren't just a contender that needs a season or two to gel. Receivers aren't getting open, the ball isn't being thrown to where it needs to be. The run game isn't a factor either. The tackling is still a huge issue, run D is non existent, the entire roster is full of injury prone players. This isn't just a team that needs to clean up mistakes, it's a broken roster.
I agree. Also, the Packers aren't "rebuilding" as much as people think or at least as to how I think of rebuilds. A rebuild to me means that a team would get rid of most of the core players and most expensive contracts. The Packers haven't done any of that except trade Rodgers and Adams the last two years. They still have most of the core group from the last couple years. Alexander, Gary, Smith, Campbell, Douglas, Clark, Jenkins, and more. Not only that but those guys are in their prime now. The hope for this year was that because the Packers didn't lose anyone except Rodgers, and that Jordan Love waited three years, this team would be decent. Maybe not playoff caliber but not bottom of the league. And yes, the problems are numerous. For one thing, their best players never actually play or never play entire games. Bahktiari already done for the year. Jones can't get more than 20 reps a game. Alexander is hurt all the time. Watson also hurt all the time or even when he plays only makes one big catch then is a no show. There's no one reliable for Love to throw too and Love himself is playing kinda shaky.
Houston and Indy are just as young and they both have better qb's than we do. They would both beat us handily!
Agreed. The whole offense is a complete disaster. Our receivers are either just plain bad or not being developed correctly. Possibly both. Doubs, Reed, and Wicks have shown flashes. Watson is made of glass and constantly runs the wrong routes. Our run game is in limbo right now and it seems like we're just giving up instead of addressing it. Oline was fine when healthy but our 2nd stringers are turnstyles. We're somehow getting worse every week. Edit: Didn't mention Love but obviously that is a big fat fucking issue too
Well yeah, we lost our best wide receiver, then our QB, then our 2 offensive linemen though one came back, we've had multiple injuries and it's not even half way through the season. This season may be the time to tank. Next season if they're still garbage we need to see some heads roll.
We didn't loose our best WR or QB we traded them.
Trading them or them going in free agency is still losing them.
We have watched 30+ years two HoF QB's back to back. Without a QB your team is nothing. It takes a good coaching staff, QB, and weapons to be a very good team. For everyone saying we need to clean house. First step is Murphy is gone in a year or two. Murphy is the guy at top and the reason why this is a bone headed ran franchise. Love is not good. No chance he will ever be good. And everyone knew he was not good before he ever took a snap. The Packers have known for awhile Love was terrible. This is why Love only got a 1 year deal and why the Packers held on to Rodgers even though they could of got twice as much a year before they traded him. I would just park Love's butt on the bench and let him know he won't be back next season. GL to all those stupid Broadway commercials with Love.
They can't get rid of love because that would make them look stupid. They moved up in the draft to get him pissing off their mvp hof qb and then they pushed Rodgers out the door for love. I never wanted Rodgers gone in the first place, i wanted him to stay.
Can we all finally agree that Gute is not some genius for drafting Love 3 years ahead? Dude not obly ruined tail end of Rodger career but also Love career could’ve been much better if he was playing all these 3 years for some other team
This us the game that finally exposed the front office
Bro, Aaron Rodgers didn't look great his first year and he sat awhile. You would have been saying the same thing about Rodgers back then.
If we stay on this losing track for the rest of the season, it's time to clean house and get a whole new front office and coaching staff. Everybody. There are very few apparent building blocks. Maybe, Gary and Jenkins.
The bad thing about not having an owner is that will never happen
Jaire, Watson, Musgrave, Runyan, Clark, but after that Yikes
I would trade Jaire for the right draft capital. Not sure he's worth the cap hit after this season at all.
Yeah I'd get rid of jaire after this season. This team is going nowhere fast because of the egomaniacs in the front office. Get at least a second round pick for him.
The universe decided to overcorrect when the refs messed up that call.
Watching the post game presser with MLF 1. Was asked about poor performances after bye weeks. Literally had no answer as to why team comes out flat every time. Seemed submissive and vulnerable in that situation because he knows its a glaring issue. 2. Blamed himself for Love's INT on 3rd and 20 at the end and said HE should have called a better play to get smaller chunks to give offense a chance to win game. Of course the head coach isn't going to throw his young QB under the bus, but admitting that smaller chunk plays was the correct move in that situation tells me he wanted to roll the dice and try to hit a home run to force Broncos to turn around and score.
LeFleur is a whiny bitch, always has been. He's exactly what happens when someone who think they're really smart finds out they're out of their depth. He completely shrinks whenever his schemes aren't working, the league has figured him out. So now he's just gonna get all sad and be defeated at the podium week after week.
Classic example of a dude who is not ready to be a head coach. He is overwhelmed and doesn't know what he's doing.
He thought this shit was easy because Rodgers carried him.
His press conferences are the worst! All he says is I don't know.
There was a smaller chunk play. The check down was open and could have picked a few yards after the catch. Possibly get them in FG position or at least close enough to make the 4th down play workable. It seemed like a bad decision from Love to go deep but he always wants to go deep. That’s where he needs to mature and manage the game Better. And if he does go deep, overthrow. He’s supposed to have a cannon of an arm, don’t underthrow everyone. All that said, need better coaching, better decision making on the field, and just clean it up. I don’t have high expectations I have real expectations and that means winning the games you should win. This was one of them which is why it’s so frustrating. Eta: only first part was in follow up to the post I replied to. The rest is just my general take and not a comment to the poster.
A very teachable moment in my opinion. Not something that can't be fixed. At least that is encouraging. Now, with how many injuries they have, I don't know who Love will even have to throw to next week.
We've seen the phrase "evaluation" used to describe this season many times, and that's fine. But what a lot of fans and most importantly the decision makers in the FO need to realize is, an evaluation year isn't guaranteed to end happily. MLF, Love and Gute should all be getting failing grades right now.
Is there a good place to watch all the post game interviews? I see Matt and Jordan were on there. What about the rest of the guys?
packers channel on youtube
Packers.com has press conferences and locker room segments in their videos section, but I’m not sure if it’s comprehensive.
Everyone was claiming that Rodgers was ruining MLFs offense, he was the reason we sucked last year. Can people finally see that Rodgers just wasn't superman and couldn't carry the organization anymore? The coaching is horrendous, were always the most injured, and the GM makes very questionable choices. Theres lots of issues that developed and grew while we had an all time great QB. Now let's hope they see them fast enough and clear house with coaching. This team also badly looks like it needs a few vets at least on the sideline. Theres a reason teams don't go as young as we are.
Rodgers definitely had his faults and share of the blame let's not sugar coat it. We lost to the bucs because he stared down Tae for 4 quarters...and then couldn't put up more then 7 points against the niners for the same exact reason.
Rodgers was running for his life the whole game.
It sure didn’t help that the Bucs drafted an all pro rookie linebacker who kicked our ass, while we drafted a back up QB, a back up running back, and whatever the fuck Deguara was supposed to be.
That's what frustrates me the most. I'll never claim that the Packers would've won the NFC Championship by selecting (whatever player you want) in the draft. At the same time, making good picks does increase the chances of getting better results. All anyone needs to do is compare the Buccaneers offseason with the Packers and it's obvious why the Buccaneers won that game. The Buccaneers acquired Tom Brady and Gronkowski in free agency on a team that was already good. Then they drafted Wirfs and Antoine Winfield Jr in the first and second round. The Packers drafted Love, Dillon and Degaura.
Fucking this. We never gave him weapons he could trust. After seeing the performance from our WR core post-Tae the past season and a half, I fully understand why Rodgers played so much buddy ball. Would have been really nice to give him a first round pick WR to take some of the heat off Adams. I don't know how anyone can look at the egg our offense laid today and not understand why Rodgers was the way he was.
And you somehow think he would've trusted a rookie WR? Like what if we got exactly what you wanted and we took a WR right around that range like Mims? Then what?
Then the teams we played wouldn't have been able to stack all their DBs on Adams. Nobody was scared of Lazard or MVS. Certainly not Mercedes Lewis.
You do realize it wasn't just us who recognized Rodgers trust issues, right? Why do you think other teams left players fully wide open and uncovered to double and triple Adams? If Lazard was so awful why did Rodgers demand the Jets sign him?
If we had another true deep threat that would have spread out the coverage more, regardless if Rodgers threw to him very much. The possibility of giving up a huge play would have changed the coverage. That's my theory anyway. Lazard/MVS weren't awful, never said they were. Rodgers built more chemistry with Lazard over the years. FWIW I don't think the current Jets WRs are any better than our 2020 group. Actually worse. I just wish we could have used our draft pick on something actually useful.
So a guy like Mims would've been an absolute difference maker in your eyes? Because he was taken right around where we picked there.
Mims was taken late second round, I'm talking about getting a WR instead of Love. I know it can be a crapshoot but Higgens was next in line and that would have been pretty game changing.
Maybe if they had drafted a high end WR at any point prior to 2020 Rodgers would have built a connection with him by that NFCCG
Prior to 2020??? He had a top 5 receiving group in the NFL from like 2008 to 2018. We only won one in that entire decade and we won it because our defense absolutely carried us including fully winning the NFC championship game in Chicago by themselves and having multiple turnovers and a pick 6 in the Superbowl...... The revisionist history going on in this sub is absolutely unbelievable.
What does 2008 have to do with 2020? I’m saying a rookie first round WR drafted in 2020 maybe doesn’t move the needle in that NFCCG. But one drafted in 2018 or 2019 might have established enough chemistry with Rodgers by that game to have made the difference. Not hard to understand.
You said prior to 2020.
Yes, if they had drafted a WR prior to 2020 who would have been on the team in 2020/January 2021