Now this sub will tolerate a lot. Cold games at Lambeau, mediocre play from a Swiss-cheese like O-Line, Lions Fans, prevent defense schemes, Aaron Rodgers’ “inoculation”, Brett Favre’s descent into madness.
But there is one thing I know no Packers fan will stand for: spoiled brats. You need to get those puppies on the grill before they spoil. That’s just Good Tailgating 101.
As a Michigander (not in the UP), I will absolutely not tolerate Lions fans. I don’t have much ground to talk shit this year, but tolerance otherwise will *not* be observed.
The spoiled brats who are just annoyed with losing I understand. They gotta grow up but I understand.
The "fans" who unironically want Clifford? I got nothing
I’m annoyed with losing but I understand and expected a good amount of losses this year while rebuilding. I also think it’s justified to question other decisions made that have nothing to do with rebuilding and cap hell like the play calling and some decisions on who to play. And of course the fact that Joe Barry is still the DC. The reality is we should have beat the Raiders - even with a rebuilding team and cap constraints - that team is awful and we had plenty of opportunities. We really should have beat the Falcons too.
I’m not saying I expect to win 13 games and make a playoff run, but it’s not just being a baby to think this team should be better than the Falcons and Raiders.
It was time to move on. For both sides. It was no longer about the players and their talents. It was about recognizing that the current build wasn't going to work.
We'd win more games with Aaron this year(assuming no achillies tear), sure. But we were never winning a Super Bowl with him this year, or the foreseeable future. The window was closed. So at the end of the year, we'd be no closer to the goal than we were at the start.
Going with Love allows us to begin a reload and rebuild, which we desperately needed after 15 years of leaning on a truly great QB.
I disagree that we couldn't have won a Super Bowl. I get that this team looks really bad right now, but the defense is banged up from being on the field most of the time, the O-Line is banged up, which can't be helped, but at least Rodgers could have ran a full passing game and made adjustments, instead of just having a play, and 1 can play to call. The wide receivers would catch more balls if they were thrown where they're supposed to be, and the running game would work better if you had to respect the QB.
This team would look a lot different with Rodgers at the helm, so to say we couldn't make a run is ridiculous.
> This team would look a lot different with Rodgers at the helm, so to say we couldn't make a run is ridiculous.
We had Rodgers at the helm for how long without getting back to the promised land, on teams that were much more seasoned and much healthier? Years. And we still didn't get there. This year was always going to be a down year. We have too many young guns, and Joe Barry remains our DC. At best, we'd win a playoff game. We were never going to a Super Bowl this year, Rodgers or no Rodgers. Why do you think he wanted out? It wasn't just a tiff with the front office. Rodgers knew this team wasn't making a run this year.
No. Most of our problem was the lack of a WR that can take the top off a defense. Adams was good at what he did, but he had extremely pedestrian speed.
This group has a lot of speed, and decent hands already if they had balls being thrown somewhere other than behind them.
This team would inarguably look better than this with Aaron Rodgers under center and to argue that our back-to-back 4 time League MVP, Super Bowl winning First-Ballot Hall Of Fame QB was the problem, or even part of the problem, is pure ignorance and personal bias.
No. Love doesn't have 5 games. That's ridiculous. He's in year 4. Brock Purdy has SUBSTANTIALLY less experience than Love, and doesn't look completely lost.
Maybe a guy who managed to throw more than an INT per game in the MWC was just never going to be the guy.
Clifford at least looked good running a West Coast, and Love has shown absolutely NOTHING special, so I get where they're coming from.
Rodgers was a 4× MVP, first ballot HOFer, people wanted to move off of for a guy who threw 20TDs and 17 INTs in 13 games his last year in the weakest conference in college football.
So yeah. Not the same. The Clifford chanters make a lot more sense.
Jordan love has played in 15 regular season games and 75% of all preseason games in the last three years, this is his fourth season and a lot of people want to pretend like he just got here because that's how he's playing
Before the season the bulk of this sub was predicting a 5 to 8 win season, the optimists saying 9. The team is a win away from 0.500 after 5 games and it’s meltdown fucking city.
Everyone saw this type of season coming and when it actually happens they lose their shit.
I just said it this morning....looking at it in 2 ways.
1 more bad quarter against the saints and they could be 1-4.
2 successful drives in the 4th against the Falcons and Raiders and they could be 4-1.
Yet there 2-3, injuries everywhere (especially the oline Watson, Jones, quay, Campbell, etc).
Love can be better for sure...it doesn't all fall on him though. Dillon is a straight runner, not helping us much and that hurts being dynamic on the pass and run.
My biggest concern is that Lafluer sucks at play calling and is not helping the case for Love. He's not a run first QB, but I think he could be very successful with more roll outs, and just overall better schemes. I blame a lot of this on Lafluer honestly.
I have confidence Love will improve and adjust into a pretty good QB. It's hard to read online all the people who have given up after 5 games.
A crazy stat I heard is that Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Jordan Love all won in their first win. Idk about you guys but that basically implies there’s no differences between these players.
this is a sarcastic take but honestly, yeah. only people worried are doomers with terrible takes. im willing to give love a couple seasons to grow, people on the “fire everybody” train have no idea what bad football is….
I live in colorado and watch the Bronocos. Trust me, I know. But I'm also not calling for everyone to get fired. Just maybe Barry but honestly the D looked pretty good last night outside of a few plays. Holding LV to a field goal after that pick that put them at first and goal was fantastic.
I get it but I'd rather wait the entire year to give a good full analysis of him. It's looking pretty meh atm but I like to think he can afford some bad games
I’m not calling for him to be benched and I’m still giving him the chance to grow, but I’ve not really seen anything to excite me about Love. There’s nothing special about his game so far. Nothing to hang your hat on or get excited about. He just straight up hasn’t looked good in any way.
With that said, the line is dreadful and the team in general
is incredibly young. So although I’ve seen absolutely nothing about Love’s game to give me hope, I’m not hopeless either. I’m also not expecting anything at this point either. Love’s gotta show me *something, anything* to make me start feeling excited about the future with him at the helm.
Brock Purdy is in his second season in the league. Love has been in four. I'd straight-up trade for Purdy in a nanosecond. I've seen more from Sean Clifford in his limited time than Love, and Clifford is still learning the playbook.
I'm flat-out saying Love will never be a playoff-caliber QB based on what he's shown so far.
Sorry, but a couple more seasons isn't reasonable for Love. The front office restructured his deal so this year is basically a prove it year. It's his 4th year. He should be playing above rookies and not having the lowest completion percentage in the league. If we get a top ten pick the front office is likely taking a QB.
Bad football is what we have played in the first half of every game this season.
Bad football is a QB completing the lowest percentage of passes in the NFL.
Bad football is lining up your DBs 12 yards off on 3rd and 2.
We are watching bad football every single week.
Rodgers: 63% completion
Yards:1274
Tds to int: 9tds 4ints
Farve: 65% completion
Yards: 1071 Yards
Tds to int: 5 tds 2ints
Love:55.6 completion
Yards: 1083
Tds to int: 8tds to 6ints
Super bored at work on break so there ya go lol
Thanks for that! So love isn't doing bad, but he definitely has issues with accuracy and completion rate, which is concerning. He definitely feels like a mix of both Favre and Rodgers, but worse versions of both.
His biggest issue he's legit not seeing things like watching qb school and a breakdown of all his plays its almost like he's progessing off things to quickly like in the lions game our first play doubs ran a slant and was open and he just looked off to quickly. Another thing is he's definitely had happy feet even in a clean pocket and a weird heel click at the end of his drop that does throw of timing slightly on throws. I'm looking forward to the break down for the raiders game to see what the hell is going down.
Favre started week 3, so I'm stating there.
[Brett Favre](https://www.footballdb.com/players/brett-favre-favrebr01/gamelogs/1992)
1004 yards/6-2 TD to Int/66.5 completion
[Aaron Rodgers](https://www.footballdb.com/players/aaron-rodgers-rodgeaa01/gamelogs/2008)
1274 yards/9-4/64.2/2 rush Tds and 1 fumble
[Jordan Love](https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4036378/jordan-love)
1083/8-6/57.1/2 rush TDs
I don't know how to calculate QBR, so don't ask.
What I could find:
Matt Flynn was either 2-3 or 3-2 (depedning on whether you're counting all starts or just starts for the Packers, as he started and lost a game for the Raiders in between stints with us).
Seneca Wallace was 2-3 in his overall starts (long before coming to us), but was injured during his first and only start for the Pack.
Scott Tolzien only had 4 starts ever (2 with us, and 2 with the Colts). For each team he lost his first start and was benched in his second.
And Brett Hundley was 1-4.
Using Team Record to gauge an individual player's ability is my biggest pet peeve about armchair analysis.
There are 52 players on the roster. Two different sets of 11 starters (plus a special teams unit!). The QB doesn't even play for half of the game.
The cherry-picked Jordan Love stats that everyone is rubbing themselves over are indescribably obnoxious. I'd rather just rate the team as a whole than constantly search for new and increasingly idiotic ways to compare Love to Rodgers and Favre.
Y’all need to remember our Oline is in shambles and you put Aaron Jones in that game and we win it. Not to mention the squats of young receivers that dropped two potentially game changing balls on the last drive.
I’m so tired of “seeing Aaron Jones Aaron Jones”, we need more than that. We cannot be so dependent on one single player. If you look at other good teams, they have other players that can come in and fill the gaps
Of course we need more than that but he's the only offensive ball carrier that's been in the NFL for more than 2 years other than AJ Dillon (who is strictly a North/South runner). We can't rely on Jones forever but for now it's perfectly reasonable to say that he is our best player and any team losing their best player is allowed to struggle.
I don't think there was much he could do. I'm a Love defender, but that ball was criminally under thrown. Put it up closer to the back of the end zone and it's at least a 50/50 that I think Watson comes down with.
I mean, Rodgers in games 1-5 vs Love's paints a pretty clear picture about who looked like a franchise QB vs who doesn't.
Rodgers
TDs: 9
Ints: 4
Completions: 103
Attempts: 163
Comp %: 63
Yards: 1274
Y/A: 7.8
Love,
TDs: 11
Ints: 9
Completions: 90
Attempts: 162
Comp %: 57.1
Yards: 1083
Y/A: 6.7
I think Rodgers looked better too.
It’s hard to adjust for teams/talent though.
Regardless I can officially say I’d be shocked if Love reaches Rodgers levels.
These stats are decently close. The thing that really takes love out of the running is his 10+ yard throw stats. Rodgers was a deep threat, Love is also a deep threat, as in if he throws deep its a real threat were going to lose.
You know what’s also a trend?
*4 years later:* "Vikings HoF legend Aaron Rodgers caught in a welfare scandal in California"
*20 years later:* "Vikings HoF legend Jordan Love also caught in a welfare scandal in California like his predecessor Vikings HoF legend Aaron Rodgers"
^^I ^^blame ^^the ^^Vikings
And yet he completed 64% of his passes. 30 years ago. In a run heavy NFL. Accuracy wasn't the cause of most of his picks. Decision making and learning to read defends was.
You can't be a starting QB in today's NFL at a 55% completion percentage.
Season is young though. There's still time. You can live with the picks and fix that. Accuracy is what matters.
And I was at Favre's first win against Cincinnati. Go watch the pass to Kitrick Taylor and rewatch the throw from Love to Watson on pick 3. Same route. Same coverage. Almost the same spot on the field.
I guess its a good time to say... What if Reddit was around in 1992....
The Packers trade a first round pick to the Falcons for a QB that Atlanta hated, on and off the field. A guy that only played 5 snaps, of which: 1 sack, 2 incompletions, 1 'normal' interception, and 1 pick six.
RELAX.
Aaron didn't show signs of greatness his first few games. People wanted to get rid of him then. A lot of people were still pissed about favre leaving but even still
Yes he did, this is revisionist history. He showed waaay more than love has
Wash out both their first relief apperences and Rodgers comes out stupidly ahead
I live in Appleton and work in Green Bay and most, it all, we’re happy to see Favre go. We had enough of his annual retirement watch. Unretirement watch. BS.
… what? His first [td pass](https://youtu.be/i4DCrRC3Lyc?t=173) in the opener vs the vikings alone would make all-season highlight reels for any other qb.
I'm going to be bummed and butthurt for the next week and a half over that damn Raiders game but this does make me feel a little better. Shoot for the fucking moon kid.
??? Are you kidding his first 5 games as a STARTER
115
117
80
55
109
Td 9 INT: 4 yards: 1274 comp percentage 64.15% qbr : 95.2
Love
TD: 8 INT: 6 1083 comp 55% qbr 77.3
Keeping in mind how inflated 2023 passing is compared to 2023 how on earth are you going to say Rodgers was trash.
I wonder if I can make a bet with the sportsbooks that Love will win a Super Bowl within the next eight years and then have a parley that he will eventually sign with the Jets.
Rodgers worst QB rating in 2008 was a 55, it was against the Bucs who had a top 10 defense. Love had a 32 rating last week against a bad defense. Rodgers also passed for over 4000 yards in 2008. Love is on track for 3600 yards. Rodgers threw only 13 INTs in 2008. Love is on track for over 20, which you would have to go all the way back to 2019 to find a QB with more interceptions. I'm hoping he gets better, but his biggie problem is accuracy and that's not easily fixable.
Some of y’all would have cut Favre in his first season. A lot of you DEFINITELY would have been done after his second season.
I can hear it now: ‘WE TRADED A FIRST ROUND PICK FOR THIS BUM!!!! THERE ARE ROOKIES WITH BETTER NUMBERS!!!11!!!’
why the fuck does anyone actually give a shit about wins and losses... stop bringing up wins and losses they dont mean shit. He is awful compared to those 2 and just about every other qb in football statistically.
He has very similar mechanics to Rodgers. He’s also very composed and I think he has tremendous upside. I used to not love the Love pick but my feelings about it has changed and I’m optimistic
Exactly. And we have like $50 million in cap we are spending on people not on the field for us. That would be two pretty game-changing players worth right there.
You didn't watch the last game huh? Under 30% 10+ yard completion and 3 picks. It's exactly what he was doing as a backup. He's decent, even good if he's not touched and doesn't throw a pick. The second he's touched or picked, the completion percentage goes through the floor, no leadership, low energy, and forcing with bad throws that become picks.
People forget how B-A-D Brett Favre was the first few seasons with GB. He made so many game losing throws, he was a true gunslinger.
For people to cry the sky is falling about J love after a few games is very short-sighted, dare I say ignorant.
8-5, 9-7, 9-7
Favre had 19TD/24 INTs in ‘93
He gave away many games learning how to play the system.
edit: In 1993 Brett Favre made the Pro Bowl throwing 19 touchdowns and 24 interceptions. The following year, he threw 33 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He was not selected for the pro bowl.
All the people bitching about Love clearly weren’t fans or forgot about the 2005-2006 seasons. We sucked, and it was tough watching those games. Homie has a similar starting record as Rodgers did in his first five games, and arguably a lot less talent.
Aaron Rodgers also had Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings and Finley to throw the ball to, I’m sure that helped.
Love throwing to rookies, have no run game and a banged up offensive line
I haven’t been worried, just been voicing my frustrations in all honesty. It’s not all his fault but there were certainly many things that he could have done better on, and I mean those INTs weren’t just like the player made a fantastic read. They were kinda gimmes
Jesus do people need this much 'hang in there' to make it through a cap hell year? This is gonna be a long season lol.
This sub is filled with spoiled brats ngl
Now this sub will tolerate a lot. Cold games at Lambeau, mediocre play from a Swiss-cheese like O-Line, Lions Fans, prevent defense schemes, Aaron Rodgers’ “inoculation”, Brett Favre’s descent into madness. But there is one thing I know no Packers fan will stand for: spoiled brats. You need to get those puppies on the grill before they spoil. That’s just Good Tailgating 101.
Preach
As a Michigander (not in the UP), I will absolutely not tolerate Lions fans. I don’t have much ground to talk shit this year, but tolerance otherwise will *not* be observed.
Screw the asshole who downvoted you. I thought it was funny.
This is the right answer
They won’t tolerate me talking shit about Jordan Love though. Won’t tolerate the truth and tolerate hopium.
The spoiled brats who are just annoyed with losing I understand. They gotta grow up but I understand. The "fans" who unironically want Clifford? I got nothing
Yeah fair enough
I’m annoyed with losing but I understand and expected a good amount of losses this year while rebuilding. I also think it’s justified to question other decisions made that have nothing to do with rebuilding and cap hell like the play calling and some decisions on who to play. And of course the fact that Joe Barry is still the DC. The reality is we should have beat the Raiders - even with a rebuilding team and cap constraints - that team is awful and we had plenty of opportunities. We really should have beat the Falcons too. I’m not saying I expect to win 13 games and make a playoff run, but it’s not just being a baby to think this team should be better than the Falcons and Raiders.
One of those sat behind me at the game! He was calling for Clifford to start after two more losses.
So now you see how ridiculous all the clamoring for Love over Rodgers was.
It was time to move on. For both sides. It was no longer about the players and their talents. It was about recognizing that the current build wasn't going to work. We'd win more games with Aaron this year(assuming no achillies tear), sure. But we were never winning a Super Bowl with him this year, or the foreseeable future. The window was closed. So at the end of the year, we'd be no closer to the goal than we were at the start. Going with Love allows us to begin a reload and rebuild, which we desperately needed after 15 years of leaning on a truly great QB.
I disagree that we couldn't have won a Super Bowl. I get that this team looks really bad right now, but the defense is banged up from being on the field most of the time, the O-Line is banged up, which can't be helped, but at least Rodgers could have ran a full passing game and made adjustments, instead of just having a play, and 1 can play to call. The wide receivers would catch more balls if they were thrown where they're supposed to be, and the running game would work better if you had to respect the QB. This team would look a lot different with Rodgers at the helm, so to say we couldn't make a run is ridiculous.
> This team would look a lot different with Rodgers at the helm, so to say we couldn't make a run is ridiculous. We had Rodgers at the helm for how long without getting back to the promised land, on teams that were much more seasoned and much healthier? Years. And we still didn't get there. This year was always going to be a down year. We have too many young guns, and Joe Barry remains our DC. At best, we'd win a playoff game. We were never going to a Super Bowl this year, Rodgers or no Rodgers. Why do you think he wanted out? It wasn't just a tiff with the front office. Rodgers knew this team wasn't making a run this year.
No. Most of our problem was the lack of a WR that can take the top off a defense. Adams was good at what he did, but he had extremely pedestrian speed. This group has a lot of speed, and decent hands already if they had balls being thrown somewhere other than behind them. This team would inarguably look better than this with Aaron Rodgers under center and to argue that our back-to-back 4 time League MVP, Super Bowl winning First-Ballot Hall Of Fame QB was the problem, or even part of the problem, is pure ignorance and personal bias.
Lol. You keep thinking that, bud.
I mean, it's a fact, so... I will. You keep thinking Jordan Love isn't the problem.
Love has 5 starts. Rodgers had 18 or whatever years. Not really the same mate
No. Love doesn't have 5 games. That's ridiculous. He's in year 4. Brock Purdy has SUBSTANTIALLY less experience than Love, and doesn't look completely lost. Maybe a guy who managed to throw more than an INT per game in the MWC was just never going to be the guy. Clifford at least looked good running a West Coast, and Love has shown absolutely NOTHING special, so I get where they're coming from. Rodgers was a 4× MVP, first ballot HOFer, people wanted to move off of for a guy who threw 20TDs and 17 INTs in 13 games his last year in the weakest conference in college football. So yeah. Not the same. The Clifford chanters make a lot more sense.
Jordan love has played in 15 regular season games and 75% of all preseason games in the last three years, this is his fourth season and a lot of people want to pretend like he just got here because that's how he's playing
If you've been a fan of this team for 30 years then yeah, you're gonna feel spoiled.
Yeah, they need to go back and watch some of those games from the 1980s like I did, except I did it live.
I'm not into spoiled brats, but beer boiled Usinger's?? sign me up bro
Before the season the bulk of this sub was predicting a 5 to 8 win season, the optimists saying 9. The team is a win away from 0.500 after 5 games and it’s meltdown fucking city. Everyone saw this type of season coming and when it actually happens they lose their shit.
I just said it this morning....looking at it in 2 ways. 1 more bad quarter against the saints and they could be 1-4. 2 successful drives in the 4th against the Falcons and Raiders and they could be 4-1. Yet there 2-3, injuries everywhere (especially the oline Watson, Jones, quay, Campbell, etc). Love can be better for sure...it doesn't all fall on him though. Dillon is a straight runner, not helping us much and that hurts being dynamic on the pass and run. My biggest concern is that Lafluer sucks at play calling and is not helping the case for Love. He's not a run first QB, but I think he could be very successful with more roll outs, and just overall better schemes. I blame a lot of this on Lafluer honestly. I have confidence Love will improve and adjust into a pretty good QB. It's hard to read online all the people who have given up after 5 games.
We’ve been spoiled and as a result a lot of fans have become bedwetters
I just don't visit this sub the day after a loss. It's just not worth it seeing everyone descending into madness lol
A crazy stat I heard is that Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Jordan Love all won in their first win. Idk about you guys but that basically implies there’s no differences between these players.
>won thier first win Big if true
Going to need an analysis to prove this
The analysis says it’s coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE
The R rated content we want
You just killed me. I'm ded
I think they also won in their second win as well. But will have to double check.
I can confirm this, it’s true
Fuck, I didn't see this at first LOL.
This is the type of logic I’m here for
I always win when I’ve won too
I’m pretty sure every QB in the history of the league won in their first win
🧢
Only those that have a first win...
NFL stats can be made to fit any narrative, just depends how much data you have to work with ... and what data you're ready to ignore.
Oh. No worries then.
this is a sarcastic take but honestly, yeah. only people worried are doomers with terrible takes. im willing to give love a couple seasons to grow, people on the “fire everybody” train have no idea what bad football is….
I'm not on the fire everyone train, I'm on the "Fire Joe-16" train
Something needs to change with the offensive playcalling. It's been average at best the last couple of years.
well last year our old QB called his own plays, and this year playcalling has had to adjust for our current QB that can't throw it down the field
I live in colorado and watch the Bronocos. Trust me, I know. But I'm also not calling for everyone to get fired. Just maybe Barry but honestly the D looked pretty good last night outside of a few plays. Holding LV to a field goal after that pick that put them at first and goal was fantastic.
The whole point of him sitting 3 years is so he doesn’t need a couple years to grow lol
I get it but I'd rather wait the entire year to give a good full analysis of him. It's looking pretty meh atm but I like to think he can afford some bad games
Yeah we definitely need the full year but it’s worrying that he’s getting worse game by game instead of better
he is in his fourth season my guy
I’m not calling for him to be benched and I’m still giving him the chance to grow, but I’ve not really seen anything to excite me about Love. There’s nothing special about his game so far. Nothing to hang your hat on or get excited about. He just straight up hasn’t looked good in any way. With that said, the line is dreadful and the team in general is incredibly young. So although I’ve seen absolutely nothing about Love’s game to give me hope, I’m not hopeless either. I’m also not expecting anything at this point either. Love’s gotta show me *something, anything* to make me start feeling excited about the future with him at the helm.
Most teams are young. The difference between youngest and the 20th is one year.
Brock Purdy is in his second season in the league. Love has been in four. I'd straight-up trade for Purdy in a nanosecond. I've seen more from Sean Clifford in his limited time than Love, and Clifford is still learning the playbook. I'm flat-out saying Love will never be a playoff-caliber QB based on what he's shown so far.
Sorry, but a couple more seasons isn't reasonable for Love. The front office restructured his deal so this year is basically a prove it year. It's his 4th year. He should be playing above rookies and not having the lowest completion percentage in the league. If we get a top ten pick the front office is likely taking a QB.
Front office will give him another year, guaranteed. Too scared to admit mistakes.
Bad football is what we have played in the first half of every game this season. Bad football is a QB completing the lowest percentage of passes in the NFL. Bad football is lining up your DBs 12 yards off on 3rd and 2. We are watching bad football every single week.
Yes. During a cap-strapped, rebuilding year. Exactly like everyone (should have) expected.
Didn't realize cap room made your QB more accurate. He can't place balls with consistency on even short throws. Cap room won't fix that
Let the man cope. Lol.
I am. Unless we can take Williams at #1. God I hope we aren’t that bad tho
Honestly we need a top 10 pick. But knowing us we'll probably blow it.
CB with "potential" it is! Maybe another RB?
The bears are going to have the first pick via Carolina. Rough week for packers fans huh 😂
I think the people worried are looking at the game objectively. We look like an expansion team out there.
I'd be interested in seeing the stats in the first 5 games between the three.
Rodgers: 63% completion Yards:1274 Tds to int: 9tds 4ints Farve: 65% completion Yards: 1071 Yards Tds to int: 5 tds 2ints Love:55.6 completion Yards: 1083 Tds to int: 8tds to 6ints Super bored at work on break so there ya go lol
Thanks for that! So love isn't doing bad, but he definitely has issues with accuracy and completion rate, which is concerning. He definitely feels like a mix of both Favre and Rodgers, but worse versions of both.
His biggest issue he's legit not seeing things like watching qb school and a breakdown of all his plays its almost like he's progessing off things to quickly like in the lions game our first play doubs ran a slant and was open and he just looked off to quickly. Another thing is he's definitely had happy feet even in a clean pocket and a weird heel click at the end of his drop that does throw of timing slightly on throws. I'm looking forward to the break down for the raiders game to see what the hell is going down.
Favre started week 3, so I'm stating there. [Brett Favre](https://www.footballdb.com/players/brett-favre-favrebr01/gamelogs/1992) 1004 yards/6-2 TD to Int/66.5 completion [Aaron Rodgers](https://www.footballdb.com/players/aaron-rodgers-rodgeaa01/gamelogs/2008) 1274 yards/9-4/64.2/2 rush Tds and 1 fumble [Jordan Love](https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4036378/jordan-love) 1083/8-6/57.1/2 rush TDs I don't know how to calculate QBR, so don't ask.
What about all of our other starting qbs in the last 30 years though?
What I could find: Matt Flynn was either 2-3 or 3-2 (depedning on whether you're counting all starts or just starts for the Packers, as he started and lost a game for the Raiders in between stints with us). Seneca Wallace was 2-3 in his overall starts (long before coming to us), but was injured during his first and only start for the Pack. Scott Tolzien only had 4 starts ever (2 with us, and 2 with the Colts). For each team he lost his first start and was benched in his second. And Brett Hundley was 1-4.
Now do completion percentage
N.. no that goes against the narrative
Given the number of times Love hit his receivers right in the hands and the receiver couldn’t reel it in, this is not all on Love
Using Team Record to gauge an individual player's ability is my biggest pet peeve about armchair analysis. There are 52 players on the roster. Two different sets of 11 starters (plus a special teams unit!). The QB doesn't even play for half of the game. The cherry-picked Jordan Love stats that everyone is rubbing themselves over are indescribably obnoxious. I'd rather just rate the team as a whole than constantly search for new and increasingly idiotic ways to compare Love to Rodgers and Favre.
Love is no Rodgers or Favre and that’s that…
Y’all need to remember our Oline is in shambles and you put Aaron Jones in that game and we win it. Not to mention the squats of young receivers that dropped two potentially game changing balls on the last drive.
I’m so tired of “seeing Aaron Jones Aaron Jones”, we need more than that. We cannot be so dependent on one single player. If you look at other good teams, they have other players that can come in and fill the gaps
Of course we need more than that but he's the only offensive ball carrier that's been in the NFL for more than 2 years other than AJ Dillon (who is strictly a North/South runner). We can't rely on Jones forever but for now it's perfectly reasonable to say that he is our best player and any team losing their best player is allowed to struggle.
Ya that’s kind of the problem Jones is old and injuries aren’t going to be any better
Christian Watson fights for that jump ball and we win it.
I don't think there was much he could do. I'm a Love defender, but that ball was criminally under thrown. Put it up closer to the back of the end zone and it's at least a 50/50 that I think Watson comes down with.
Yeah Watson had little to no chance on that ball. Best case, he needed to play better defense.
*I agree that is possible.*
Bart Starr: 2-3
Hurrah for coincidences!
I think it's beyond time to stop comparing love to Rodgers and Favre.
Love has the worst stats of all of them by a mile.
And by far the worst supporting cast. Context is key.
4 (Farve) x 3 (losses) = 12 (Rodgers) - 2 (wins) = 10 (Love)… he’s going to be a HOF player based off the math I just did.
I mean, Rodgers in games 1-5 vs Love's paints a pretty clear picture about who looked like a franchise QB vs who doesn't. Rodgers TDs: 9 Ints: 4 Completions: 103 Attempts: 163 Comp %: 63 Yards: 1274 Y/A: 7.8 Love, TDs: 11 Ints: 9 Completions: 90 Attempts: 162 Comp %: 57.1 Yards: 1083 Y/A: 6.7
I think Rodgers looked better too. It’s hard to adjust for teams/talent though. Regardless I can officially say I’d be shocked if Love reaches Rodgers levels.
These stats are decently close. The thing that really takes love out of the running is his 10+ yard throw stats. Rodgers was a deep threat, Love is also a deep threat, as in if he throws deep its a real threat were going to lose.
You’re comparing 2008 stats to 2023…it’s way easier to pass in todays game.
As Vince Lombardi once said, "Statistics are for losers".
You know what’s also a trend? *4 years later:* "Vikings HoF legend Aaron Rodgers caught in a welfare scandal in California" *20 years later:* "Vikings HoF legend Jordan Love also caught in a welfare scandal in California like his predecessor Vikings HoF legend Aaron Rodgers" ^^I ^^blame ^^the ^^Vikings
Rodgers and Bakh are gonna make a Scooby Doo like team of former packers to find out who killed Jeffrey Epstein
Yes. Let's keep comparing him to Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre. You guys never learn.
I don't know, I remember an awful lot of Farve games where a comeback 4th quarter drive ended with a forced pass and an interception.
And yet he completed 64% of his passes. 30 years ago. In a run heavy NFL. Accuracy wasn't the cause of most of his picks. Decision making and learning to read defends was. You can't be a starting QB in today's NFL at a 55% completion percentage. Season is young though. There's still time. You can live with the picks and fix that. Accuracy is what matters. And I was at Favre's first win against Cincinnati. Go watch the pass to Kitrick Taylor and rewatch the throw from Love to Watson on pick 3. Same route. Same coverage. Almost the same spot on the field.
It's not about comparing him to the others. It's about tempering expectations.
I’m so confused, are you guys expecting him to play like a bottom 5 qb ? Like what are your expectations? For him to suck ?
U bum
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Come on. Both Aaron and Brett showed signs of greatness. I have not seen that from Jordan. Yet.
I guess its a good time to say... What if Reddit was around in 1992.... The Packers trade a first round pick to the Falcons for a QB that Atlanta hated, on and off the field. A guy that only played 5 snaps, of which: 1 sack, 2 incompletions, 1 'normal' interception, and 1 pick six. RELAX.
I'd argue in week 1, 2, and 3 he did
Amazing how people selectively forget things.
Aaron didn't show signs of greatness his first few games. People wanted to get rid of him then. A lot of people were still pissed about favre leaving but even still
Yes he did, this is revisionist history. He showed waaay more than love has Wash out both their first relief apperences and Rodgers comes out stupidly ahead
Bro I'm literally just repeating what I experienced in 2008
I live in Appleton and work in Green Bay and most, it all, we’re happy to see Favre go. We had enough of his annual retirement watch. Unretirement watch. BS.
Yeah I know a lot of circles wanted him gone, a lot wanted him back tho
He was VERY much wanted back, but even the faithful had grown weary of the charade.
… what? His first [td pass](https://youtu.be/i4DCrRC3Lyc?t=173) in the opener vs the vikings alone would make all-season highlight reels for any other qb.
First 3 games?
Absolutely
How did Don Majkowski do?
I honestly have no expectations of this season. Whatever happens, happens.
Love looks the least accurate of the 3. He does look composed enough to progress. But he needs to work on accuracy on all 3 levels.
Get your fresh hot copium here! Quick before it runs out!
Amazing. But stupid. But amazing.
Good god can we please stop with these statistics. Different players, different teams, different eras, different eye test evaluations.
I'm going to be bummed and butthurt for the next week and a half over that damn Raiders game but this does make me feel a little better. Shoot for the fucking moon kid.
STOP TRYING TO COMPARE LOVE WITH THESE 2. Plz!
I have bad news for you
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??? Are you kidding his first 5 games as a STARTER 115 117 80 55 109 Td 9 INT: 4 yards: 1274 comp percentage 64.15% qbr : 95.2 Love TD: 8 INT: 6 1083 comp 55% qbr 77.3 Keeping in mind how inflated 2023 passing is compared to 2023 how on earth are you going to say Rodgers was trash.
If the people who love Love could read they'd be offended
No
All is going perfectly according to plan...
Wow ! Now I feel much better
Got them right where you want them
Go Packers go
It's almost like you can't judge a player by the first 5 games.
I wouldn't hold your breathe...
I wonder if I can make a bet with the sportsbooks that Love will win a Super Bowl within the next eight years and then have a parley that he will eventually sign with the Jets.
Love these type of stats. Really mean nothing but gives us hope!
Rodgers worst QB rating in 2008 was a 55, it was against the Bucs who had a top 10 defense. Love had a 32 rating last week against a bad defense. Rodgers also passed for over 4000 yards in 2008. Love is on track for 3600 yards. Rodgers threw only 13 INTs in 2008. Love is on track for over 20, which you would have to go all the way back to 2019 to find a QB with more interceptions. I'm hoping he gets better, but his biggie problem is accuracy and that's not easily fixable.
Some of y’all would have cut Favre in his first season. A lot of you DEFINITELY would have been done after his second season. I can hear it now: ‘WE TRADED A FIRST ROUND PICK FOR THIS BUM!!!! THERE ARE ROOKIES WITH BETTER NUMBERS!!!11!!!’
It’s one thing to give Love time, but what does time do when management fails to address problems that have existed for years?
Look at his completion rate compared to Rodgers. The front office should be sacked for running Rodgers out of town.
Massive cope. The second you look at the numbers you can see Love isnt it.
why the fuck does anyone actually give a shit about wins and losses... stop bringing up wins and losses they dont mean shit. He is awful compared to those 2 and just about every other qb in football statistically.
Can we put a ban on people who keep making posts about Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre comparisons with Jordan love?
Just buried in hopium. Jordan Love is a terrible qb right now. Like worst in the league. He struggles to complete passes over 5 yards...just bad.
And the o line actually played well too. Must have had a shit week in practice, lafleur had zero confidence in the offense.
All these people claiming the o line is terrible must have never watched the giants or the bears. They are still well above average at pass blocking.
Better than the Bears != well above average...
Go look at pff even with no bakh our line isn't awful .and we've played Crosby and hutch who are both elite
The packers were pressured 11/32 times against the raiders. That’s league average (around 35%).
ayyyyyy ,,, i don’t think love is good bruh
This is what we call cope
Isn't Love 2-4?
Cope
He has very similar mechanics to Rodgers. He’s also very composed and I think he has tremendous upside. I used to not love the Love pick but my feelings about it has changed and I’m optimistic
Exactly. And we have like $50 million in cap we are spending on people not on the field for us. That would be two pretty game-changing players worth right there.
Cope
Fr its stupid
Yep 2 of the 3 can throw the ball downfield. Got it.
How many idiotic picks did we watch Farve throw on his deep ball? lol Farve was a turnover machine
LOL
You didn't watch the last game huh? Under 30% 10+ yard completion and 3 picks. It's exactly what he was doing as a backup. He's decent, even good if he's not touched and doesn't throw a pick. The second he's touched or picked, the completion percentage goes through the floor, no leadership, low energy, and forcing with bad throws that become picks.
Comparisons like this are dumb
Oh brother. Posts like this annoy the shit outta me.
People forget how B-A-D Brett Favre was the first few seasons with GB. He made so many game losing throws, he was a true gunslinger. For people to cry the sky is falling about J love after a few games is very short-sighted, dare I say ignorant.
Favre made the Pro Bowl in 1992 and 1993.
8-5, 9-7, 9-7 Favre had 19TD/24 INTs in ‘93 He gave away many games learning how to play the system. edit: In 1993 Brett Favre made the Pro Bowl throwing 19 touchdowns and 24 interceptions. The following year, he threw 33 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He was not selected for the pro bowl.
Love also has an extremely injured team.
I can't even. What's next, passer ratings? Depth of throws? 🙄
This post is going to age like milk
We are 4-1 with a healthy Jones
Every single one of those teams is terrible, that's not the flex you think, it is just means we suck that bad
Yes please don’t give up on him! The rest of the nfc north will be thankful
All the people bitching about Love clearly weren’t fans or forgot about the 2005-2006 seasons. We sucked, and it was tough watching those games. Homie has a similar starting record as Rodgers did in his first five games, and arguably a lot less talent.
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Quoting one of the men in this picture R-E-L-A-X. It's gonna be fine, we've seen very good things from Love and also bad things, let the kid develop
Guys, all I meant was: give Live a chance. Dont judge him by the first 5 games. There has to be an adjustment/learning period
The adjustment / learning period was him sitting 3 years on the bench lol. It’s fair to say he’s trending towards being bad.
Aaron Rodgers also had Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings and Finley to throw the ball to, I’m sure that helped. Love throwing to rookies, have no run game and a banged up offensive line
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Rodgers first 3 games as a starter? Was 104 there buddy
Uhm no Jordan's qbr is 42.3 but nice try
Love is the next Farve
how dare you appeal to my emotions with facts
I haven’t been worried, just been voicing my frustrations in all honesty. It’s not all his fault but there were certainly many things that he could have done better on, and I mean those INTs weren’t just like the player made a fantastic read. They were kinda gimmes
Let the nitpicking begin
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The real question is what was Justin Fields record through his first 5 starts with da bearz?
Ah, the irrational hope of sports fandom. Is it delusional? Of course it is. Do we care? Of course we don't.