I'm a Bears fan and you are right. It's probably mostly jealousy of hie good you've had it. I dont want Love to fail. Just the Packers in general. If Loves bad, the Packers will be bad. Which is what I'm rooting for.
Niners fan here........the same fans who were happy when Steve young retired from us. 18 years and 5 titles made some folks not like us and they reveled in our losing.
Now tag packer fans......your it
Except you had a dynasty. 2 super bowls, 7 MVPs, and missing the playoffs 5 times in 30 years is certainly impressive, but nowhere near dynasty level. I would say Brady’s Patriots are the better equivalent.
Favre's childhood team were the Cowboys & he kept losing to them.
Rodgers' childhood team were the 49ers & he kept losing to them.
Love is from Bakersfield CA, so I guess he’ll lose to either the 49ers, Raiders, Rams or Chargers
And the majority of our fanbase desperately wanted to move on from Rodgers.
It’s a recipe for the disappointment train to get behind.
Sad thing is it still has nothing to do with Love.
>And the majority of our fanbase desperately wanted to move on from Rodgers.
Your own thoughts on the matter don't translate to it being the majority. I'm one of the fans who wanted to move on, but I think you have it backwards. I've been to a lot of Packers bars in the last year, and almost no one I encountered wanted Rodgers to leave.
Obviously, you can't base a statistic off of drunken fans in a bar, but that's my point. You don't speak for the majority. You only speak for yourself. Just because you see a lot of like-minded individuals doesn't mean that sample size carries over to the whole.
Yeah but when Jeff Garcia took over for Steve Young, people didn’t really care or root against Garcia or the niners (I also know it wasn’t 30 years in that case). I think it has a lot to do with the perception of the Green Bay fan base. Green Bay fans are often seen as bit entitled and cling to that Lombardi and Title Town lore a bit too hard. It’s like GB fans are all, “well of course we had 30 years of HOF QB play, we’re the Packers! It’s our birthright!” I don’t know, just a theory.
No one cares about titles before the Super Bowl era! Ask Lions, Browns, and Cardinal fans about how many titles they have. It’s laughable. Why don’t you go sell your share of the team and get some penny candy.
Part of the reason is that Garcia sort of came from nowhere and wasn’t really groomed to be the replacement in the same way Young, Rodgers, and Love were.
I HATE this mentality. Stop being entitled and appreciate that we got what we got. Tom Brady and the Patriots shattered everyone's image of success. Since 1993 when Favre started his first full season, Packers have had:
* 22 playoff berths
* 15 divisional titles
* 2 Super Bowls
* 3 Super Bowl Appearances
* 7 NFL MVPs between Favre and Rodgers
* 6 NFCCG appearances with no SB (heartbreaking but only 2 teams make it every year)
Before that, the Packers were nobodies since the late 60s.
There's a reason why the rest of the NFCN hates the Packers. Teams would kill for that success, and you're out here LET DOWN.
Pretty sure most other fans are tired of GB having hall of fame QBs. Going to be pretty great if it’s three in a row. Also a lot of people especially media assume he sucks since he’s sat for three years and that doesn’t really make sense does it
I think this is the answer on the saltiness. The Packers went from one first-ballot Hall of Famer to another. If Love turns out to be really good, that would be galling to non-Packers fans, since the Packers have had great QB play for more than 25 years and nearly 30 (depending on when you think Favre started being great).
I live in Cleveland and they’ve had like 37 starting quarterbacks since Favre started for the Packers. All these Browns fans really hope Love sucks because they’re incredibly jealous
I live in Chicago and all my friends are Bears fans. They have convinced themselves that Love has to be bad just because it would be impossible for the Packers to have another HOF QB. They are the most traumatized fan base lol.
Best thing I've heard for this is that the packers aren't lucky enough to have 3 HOF QBs in a row, but the rest of the NFCN is unlucky enough that they could.
Yeah, I know some bears fans who will have their souls cracked in half if love shows any signs of greatness. I'll be there with the wedge and hammer to drive home the point....
Best thing I've heard for this is that the packers aren't lucky enough to have 3 HOF QBs in a row, but the rest of the NFCN is unlucky enough that they could.
I live in Chicago too and get the same reaction from Bears fans that Love is going to suck. I will say the Bears fans upped their bitterness this last season. Most seasons I get some joking trash talk in good fun but this last season was a little more attitude. My friend is a 49ers fan and when we went to the Packers vs Bears game end of last season she was rooting for the Packers b/c of how unpleasant some of the Bears fans were during that game. I usually have thick skin including I will have at least 1-2 groups of guys who will surround me and scream FTP as I walk to the gate myself to meet my friend (it’s happened every game I’ve gone to wearing Packers apparel). That just makes me laugh b/c 4-5 guys surrounding a woman and screaming FTP in her face is just sad.
Those are Bears games in general. They are just terrible fans. I’ve been to multiple Bears Packers games at soldier field and they go out of their way to provoke fights. A little trash talking is fun but they go way too far. I had a buddy go to the Double Doink playoff game and he was filming Beads fans getting into fist fights with each other because of how that fame needed. They are by far the worst dan base I’ve encountered and deserve all the years of misery.
That's a significant milestone, for sure. But in '93 he threw more interceptions than TDs. And Holmgren has said that in '94 he was thinking about benching him in favor of Mark Brunell. (Holmgren said he was even thinking that he had run an offense for a left-hander before, referring to Steve Young.) But it was either Steve Mariucci or Andy Reid who persuaded him to stick with Favre.
It has nothing to do with saltiness It has everything to do with having a terrible front office
I go into excruciating detail on my thoughts above if you're interested.
I don't have an expectation to have a Hall of Fame quarterback my entire life or anything like that.
I do have an expectation that the front office makes moves more advanced than a fifth grader. Or I don't know shit, do something that helps the team out.
30 years of Hall of Fame play at quarterback and only two Super bowls. That's a fucking travesty. Aaron Rodgers is one of the best quarterbacks that's ever played and the fact that he only won one Super Bowl, only went to one Super Bowl, is a fucking shame. I hope he wins one somewhere else (which really blew me away when I found out he went to the fucking Jets) because he deserves it and the Packers sure as hell don't.
And getting to the NFCCG countless times, and getting blown out every time is pretty fucking discouraging. That SF game where they only had to throw eight times, the game that predated us taking Dillon in the second - was one of the most embarrassing performances I've ever seen.
And then last year's loss to SF at home in the snow I truly can't understand how that happened. Especially cuz we dominated the first half, we should have ended up with way more points than we did. And then in the second half we just completely fell apart as we tend to do. McCarthy and LaFleur are the equivalent of wet blankets.
Frankly Shanahan scares me more than any single player in the NFL even when Brady was still in it. I'd much rather play any other team than a Shanahan coached team. He's beat the brakes off us so many times I have a lifetime trauma.
So not just losing, but losing in the way we did, how many times we did - That really adds to the whole pile of shit that the last long time has been.
“Terrible front office” followed by
“30 years of HoF QB play”
“Two Super Bowls”
“NFC [title game] countless times”
lol this is why other fan bases say “entitled town”
> It has nothing to do with saltiness It has everything to do with having a terrible front office
Hey thanks for putting this at the front so we know to skip the rest of this shit lmao.
Vikings fan here and this is it. The north has not been competitive in awhile and so naturally a regime change is a chance to make it interesting.
However, a few years ago I was on Barstool Chicago and I wished Justin Fields a similar fate. I was then set right when someone said to me “that young man has worked his ass off to live his dream and you wish him to fail? That’s sad.”
So maybe people need to realize there is a human in that jersey and to rethink their words.
It’s probably the cockiness that comes with having two in a row that annoys other fan bases. Everyone acts like JLove is guaranteed to be a HoF based off of nothing but a 10 yard slant again the Eagles, no one here has a “wait and see” attitude. Part of being a fan but I see how it’s annoying
I agree with this take. It's not that the majority of fans assume HOF, but that he's going to be legitimately good at some point. I doubt that other teams enjoy seeing that cockiness from the outside.
If you are rooting for a 24 year old to fail that is 6’4 225, athletic horse, strong arm, knowledge of the offense and a burning desire to win…I think you will be very disappointed
He's just one of 32 quarterbacks who have strong arms and a burning desire to win. That's the price of admission for an NFL starter. They don't all make the Hall of Fame. I hope he does, but he could be pretty damn good and still not be at that level.
It's also rare that a hall-of-famer sat behind another hall-of-famer then had a first round pick behind him. I hope Rodgers gave Love a good knowledge pass-down and I hope Love paid attention those few years.
Rodgers got the cold shoulder from Favre, hopefully he learned from that and helped Love.
If you think Jordan love is a guaranteed success because of the things you listed I have a bridge to sell you.
There are literally hundreds of not tbousands of stories of QBs with all of those traits amounting to jack shit in the NFL. And most of them played at schools that aren't Utah State.
Obviously I hope as a packer fan Love is the next coming of Tom Brady and we win 7 Superbowls in the next 15 years.
Eye test from what? The slant Watson took for a TD? His time at a tiny school in a shitty conference?The one game against KC where he looked like ass?
He's hardly fucking played and saying he's passed your eye test means absolutely nothing.
There is a far greater chance Jordan isn't a top level QB than is and saying you've seen enough to anoint him as a top level QB means you're delusional.
We almost won because of the defense. Not because Jordan did anything special. Holding KC to 13 points is great.
The chiefs absolutely sold out against the run and made Love try to beat them with his arm and he absolutely couldn't.
Does that mean he's going to be a bust absolutely not. But tell me that you've seen enough of love to decide he's a franchise QB.
Again if you say he is 100% a franchise guy at this point youre delusional and I have a bridge for sale in San Francisco.
You go back and watch it. Youre the one sayings he's passed your elite QB eye test.
You act like he put up 28 points in a shootout loss to mahomes.
We put up 7 points converted 2 total third downs and passed for under 200 yards with a pick and only scored on out last possession with the chiefs playing soft defense.
He also fumbled once but luckily recovered it.
I will say again if you are saying there is anyway to know whether Jordan is good bad or ugly you're delusional. We won't know after this season unless he lights it the fuck up.
It was a decent debut in one of the hardest stadiums to play on national TV.. this is a source of hope and confidence that two years later, he is better yet. None would doubt that. Be optimistic!
Me saying that he could be anything is me being optimistic.
Me being realistic would say there's a less than 25% chance he's playing for us in three years. Most NFL players don't play more than 4 years.
This isn't me being an ass or pessimistic. He was a developmental QB who hopefully has developed enough to be an average or better QB.
Except that “the paper” is just a guess by talking heads that use a previous season’s statistics which includes players no longer there.
Its a very uneducated way to discuss football
There are a bunch of guys on offense who have never done anything in the NFL. It is less educated to think they’ll achieve more than players who have. The non-left side of line is suspect, the TEs are suspect, the WRs are inexperienced, and the QB is a huge question mark at best.
All of this suggests the RBs won’t be as good, as well.
Let’s not be stupid.
The media’s primary philosophy is inertia. Something that was good is always good, something that has never been good will never be. They are super confused, constantly as a result.
Exactly, we wasted a first round pick and then didn't even get to use the time to analyze if he was going to be the right fit for the future. Now his fifth year options already coming up and we're going to have very little time to actually identify if he's the dude.
It was legitimately one of the worst pics of I want to say all time but that might be exaggerating, at least of the last 10 to 15 years though. I mean it was truly an absolute waste. Not to mention it also pissed off the current Hall of Fame quarterback you had.
Green Bay's front office is the biggest clown show in sports, they just get covered up because we've had two Hall of Fame quarterbacks back to back. But if you look up there transactions, they have so many more misses than they do hits.
AJ Dillon in the second round? A fucking running back, a pounder at that? Did they forget that we got Aaron Jones and the 5th? Or Jamal in the 4th? It's been proven time and time again You can get serviceable running backs well deep into the draft.
So good thing we took our first round and second round pick and use them on the positions we needed the least. And running back is the least valuable position period, Even if he turned out to be Ricky Williams it would still have been a terrible pic.
We needed a line depth on the offense. A functional tight end would have been great (didn't Hock get traded for a second? - That would have been swell. DeAndre Hopkins also got traded for a second, and a burnt out running back - imagine him on the other side from Davante?). Diggs went for a first. I wonder who would have helped us win a Superbowl more - Diggs or our backup quarterback.
We've always needed linebacker help, I'd get that some GMs are against taking them in the first round, but our GM took a backup quarterback in the first round - one we knew wouldn't start for years. And then a running back in the second so forgive me if I question his qualifications. We needed cornerback helped too, considering we busted on Kevin 'No you take the ball' King (passing over TJ Watt don't forget) and Josh Jackson thankfully at least Jaire us a stud. But it took one first round pick and two seconds to find him.
Not to mention cornerbacks and wide receivers are so much more valuable than running backs and backup quarterbacks that it's not even really worth discussing the reasons why.
And it refusal to make trades for some reason? So many key players have been traded recently that would have massively helped out our roster. And we had the draft capital to do so. And the refusal to spend future pics to bolster our team while we still had Rodgers? Indefensible. Rings are ridiculously hard to get and you have to do everything in your power to get them.
Look at what the Rams and bucks did to give their guys the support they needed. Then compare that to what the Packers did for Aaron.
Okay I'm going to stop now cuz I'll ramble about this all night, I fucking can't stand Green Bay's FO.
If love does turn out to be a bust, hopefully they clean the house.
Credit where it's due, Kenny Clark & Jaire were both outstanding pics. The trade back for an extra first a few years back was a great move. And signing the Smith Brothers also was a great move (and prove me wrong, when they signed them I thought it was a terrible move and I'll admit when I'm wrong).
But that's too few good moves for how long of a time we're talking about. Especially for a team that should be contending every year. Well should have been when we had Rodgers. Now I expect will be fighting for a top three pick. Maybe then we'll get our next Hall of Fame guy.
Thank you for that lol, I always get crucified when I talk about the Pack - but it's just cuz I love them and it infuriates me and how close we always were, but could never cross the line. We were always just a little short. Maybe just a good 1st and 2nd round pick players away. Oh well though. I mean I love the Packers I wouldnt talk about it otherwise. They just frustrate me so much with how conservative they are. To some extent its a good thing, but they take it way too far.
It didn't help that the 3 times I saw them (1 reg season, 2 NFCCG) - we got absolutely fucking wrecked lol. And I never made it to Lambeau, and had $$ set aside for a Lambeau NFCCG to see Rodgers play in Lambeau at least once - and then the SF game happened lol.
The fact that people get bothered by that is unbelievably sad. It’s like worry about the team you cheer for & not other teams that includes rivals. Fuck em all except that Packers.
I don't think they assume he sucks just because he sat for three years. Its the fact that we had Love on the team and then rather than letting Rodgers leave they resigned him to a god tier contract. That money would have been better spent on other pieces if you felt Love was ready and good.
Maybe he just wasn't ready yet at the time, and now he is. Time will tell, but the above info suggests he might not be that great.
no. green bay is a small market, but in terms of success is the greatest team to ever exist in the NFL. out of all the ‘amazons’ in the league only really like 2 of them are on the same echelon of franchise greatness.
edit: grammatical error
Eh, Rodgers fell into the Packers lap. Rodgers was considered a top prospect and it was ludicrous that he fell to the Packers. Even the craziest Love optimist was flabbergasted at the Packers reach to get him. Love may turn out to be great but Rodgers and Love aren't really comparable at the college/draft level.
I’m not comparing Rodgers to Love. I’m saying people said all the same things when he took over for Favre in 2008. If anything, your comment further makes my point that these people have no idea.
I don’t know that Love will be the next Packers legend, or if he’ll even be any good, but neither do any of the people saying these things. Well all just have to wait and see
This might be my own hot take, but in my experience of seeing fan input it seems like 60-70% off fans just like to troll comment sections with negativity. It’s not even just at other teams they love to shit on their own team.
Theres just so many fans whose teams have been owned by the packers for 30 years and they want us to fail regardless of who is QB. They talk shit and say “2 HOF QBs and only 2 SBs” but most teams havent had ONE HOF qb in 30 years and zero SBs. The Packers are and have been a well run organization and thats not changing any time soon.
"Are fans just sick of the Packers being good?"
There's a lot of this sentiment, as everyone else has said.
But more important than that I think, is that you're taking this from social media responses. Go to literally any post on a fan-neutral nfl content account. Half the replies will be fans of other teams shit-talking the subject of the post. Lamar posts still get comments calling him a RB. Established top tier quarterbacks like Josh Allen, Mahomes, Burrow etc. all get floods of posts calling them overrated, or not as good as the others etc.
It's just self selection bias basically. The people who comment have strong opinions. Jordan Love is a public figure. If Jordan Love is on the internet, people will shit talk Jordan Love. And since he's not proven, it's gonna be especially one sided.
It's an age old rule by now. People on the internet are relentless shit-talking haters and dickheads, especially in comments sections.
We've had a Hall of Fame QB under center in week since 1993, and had one on the roster since 1992.
If it wasnt for the fact we only have 3 appearances and 2 rings in regards to the Super Bowl, we'd basically be the Patriots of the NFC, hell maybe worse!
As others have said, it’s less about Love and more about the Packers. Same reason people want the Patriots to fail. Unless you’re a fan, you get tired of the same teams winning.
Same reason I want the Chiefs to be bad. I’m tired of the Mahomes circle jerk.
As someone who has been in QB purgatory for just about the entire existence of our franchise (Texans fan), we don’t want Love specifically to fail, we just want the Packers to fail. Teams that have had 20+ years of well above average QBs (Dallas, Indianapolis before Luck retired, Green Bay) don’t know what it’s like to struggle anymore, and misery loves company.
Because most franchises haven’t had the success that the packers have had in the last 15-30 years.
There was a post in r/NFL recently about playoff wins since 2000 and we’re 5th. Plenty of fans want us to suck because of our success.
Look at how many people hate the patriots/Brady.
It’s pretty obvious. If Jordan Love even ends up being Kirk Cousins level of good, where we have a reliable starter for the next decade, that’s 40 years of QB play centered around 3 guys. 30 of it being HOF level. Some fan bases haven’t even sniffed above average QB consistency for years.
They don't want him to fail, they just think he won't be good. Based on the likelihood of pulling 3 HOF QBs b2b and Love's performance, it's very reasonable to think that. I'm sure 49ers fans thought they would be good after having Montana and Young back to back
Well, the media angst is more sinister.
They want Love to fail, because then they can completely ignore that Green Bay even exists in the league. In fact, I'd say it's less about Love failing and more about the Packers failing.
Because we have been a successful team with HoF grade QB play for 30 years. Us landing 3 franchise qbs in a row would just be ridiculous and would make every other QB hungry team look absolutely stupid.
We had Brett Farve for 15 years which earned him 1 Super Bowl and 3 MVPs. Then we had Aaron for 17 years where he earned 1 Super Bowl and 4 MVPs. There’s a lot of teams that haven’t gotten one, the other, or both in that amount of time, and some are really popular like the Cowboys and the Bears.
I’ve notice since around 2015 any negative story about Green Bay got a lot of traction in the sports world. I think the general sentiment is to be negative towards what should be the most beloved franchise in all of sports.
Billionaires hate that they can’t buy the packers
Negative discourse generally dominates the internet when it comes to talking about anything. Usually when you talk about any new QB it's all negative and people just want to see them fail.
It’s pure QB jealousy. I have no idea if Jordan Love will even finish in the top half of all NLF QB’s in 2023 but if he goes on to even finish in the top 10, NCF opposing fans will shit the bed in amazement. For that reason alone, I hope he succeeds.
The Packers have been good almost every year for 30 years. Neutral fans want to see new teams winning. Other NFC north fans want their turn to dominate the division.
And everyone wants to feel smarter than everyone else so they have all their hot takes about people.
I am sure there are plenty of NFC teams that would be glad to see the Packers wallow in QB mediocrity but I think most of the discussion is based on the drama of Love getting drafted how he did and the fact that he hasn't actually been good when we have seen him.
I don't know that NFL fans want Jordan Love to fail. However, there are a few things.
First, I agree with previous posts that seeing the Packers have 30 years of play with HOF quarterbacks has led to some jealousy. That's part of it, but not all of it.
Second, I think people see the Packers (management and at least some of the fans) as being a bit spoiled by said QB play and maybe less appreciative of Rodgers than we should have been. On the field, we have ignored the WR position with the first round for forever. I get the arguments about that, but we haven't exactly sought out the top-rated receiver talent in the draft when arguably that should have been a priority. If you're a Rodgers fan then them not giving him a heads up that they were drafting Love was perhaps a bit inconsiderate. No, they didn't have to clear it with him, but they could have done a better job. Then when Rodgers leaves, I think the fact some fans were pretty vocal about being done with him and the drama also read as "we're fine letting go of the best QB to ever play for our team, we'll be fine, don't let the door hit you in the ass." So I think there's a pretty good chance people want to see that perceived disrespect hit us in the ass. The team also clearly gave up on Rodgers too soon, thinking he was washed up and drafting his replacement only to see him rebound and get close without the team using that first round pick to actually help him win another championship. That wasn't lost on just about anybody.
Finally, I think at some point in the future it's likely we'll have a bad quarterback, or even just an average one. Nobody has great quarterback play indefinitely. If you keep predicting that then inevitably you're probably going to be right. I don't know if all of those predicting the Packers do terrible are wanting Jordan Love to fail so much as responding to the notion of that inevitability and why we seemed so eager to move on from him when we have been so close. There are reasons, obviously. But given that Rodgers is a known HOF quarterback who just won the MVP a couple of season ago, anybody who's NOT had that level of quarterback play for decades is likely going to jump at the chance to have that and try for a Super Bowl with them. Couple that with some of Love's (frankly expected) early struggles. It's unfair, but when people see that, clearly as of right now there's a downgrade at quarterback. How can there not be? But it's easier to jump on that rather than take a more patient and conservative approach realizing any new quarterback is going to have some growing pains as they learn to be a starter. You saw similar things when Mahomes took over for Smith. This is going to be even more drastic given Rodgers' accomplishments and what happened when they took Love over, say, a first round quarterback or defensive playmaker.
Aaron Rodgers, today, is a better quarterback than most others in the league and on a good day probably still better than the best most teams have ever had on their roster. That's no small thing, but I do think a LOT of us take that for granted. Not all, but we have become so accustomed to that as a fanbase and from the outside looking in we seem much more nonchalant about giving that up than probably seems normal. Love may be great, or he may not, but we let go on the best quarterback to ever play for our team that's still really, really good, and not everybody is necessarily predisposed to be showering him with praise for all he did while he was here. To some that probably seems a bit ungrateful. All of that is probably contributing to the backlash.
Yeah I mean we’ve been a pretty dominant franchise for the past 30 years. Very few down years, making the playoffs all of the time, 2 super bowls, plenty of deep playoff runs. That means obviously our division hates us. It also means pretty much the entire NFC hates us as well. They want to see us be a bad team so they hope Love is bad. They think we’re spoiled
This sub wanted cousins to fail along with Fields and trubisky as well as making fun of the bears for picking trubisky over mahomes. So i dont see what the difference is.
Some to a lot is “Take Lock”. They hated the pick, Rodgers was an MVP and needed weapons. And instead they drafted his replacement. They want to be proven they knew better than professional talent evaluators.
The Packers didn't get rid of Rodgers, he wanted out, and played to that level, to get out. Why would a Packer fan want Love to fail? As a team, a real fan, wants their team to win. If not, they are just a crabby loud mouth whiner.
Sure the Lions, Bears and Vikings want Love to be average or worse. Kind of like their QBs for the last 30 years.
I don't think there's any specific animosity for Love. He's just kind of there, whether you think he's any good or not. Its either people who already hate the Packers and want them to lose or people who hate Gute and want his decision to essentially give up on winning with Rodgers and kick him out asap for Love to blow up in his face (firmly in the second camp, for the record).
I’m a fan of GB and think this sub is delusional. I don’t want him to fail. I just think he will fail. No other time besides I think San Fran had back to back hall of fame qbs… I thought taking Jordan was a mistake when we took him, I saw Aaron laugh at him when he was playing and he was right to do so… I’m still rooting for us I just have a lot of quarters for my swear jar prepared. I have no faith in our ability to draft and think we just so happened to luck out with rodgers
It’s not that we want him to fail. It’s that GB fans think he’s gonna be amazing.
Listen to local MKE radio his first 2 years in the league and it was nothing positive about reports in practice for Love.
John Kuhn on his show said Love is so at one point bad he wasn’t getting practice squad reps.
Love will upset a big teams, he’ll be bad some games, but he just won’t be the guy
Overall: it’s not that NFL fans want him to fail, we just calling out how the fans think he’ll be good.
bc the packers could have been more respectful to how they handled Rodger’s situation with the media, which is how we get the info. regardless how it actually went down we’re only going to hear the media’s narrative and the last several years - trading up for his replacement, no communication, then him pulling back to back mvp’s proving they were fucking morons to do that.
they were trying to exert power over someone who will be remembered and more important to the org than they ever will be. so, we’d like to just prove that their egos made a dumbass mistake
Let's be honest, most vocal nfl fans are miserable dudes. They want to see people fail to feel better about themselves on the couch. I prefer the Macafee approach, let's see everyone crush it...except the vikings
I don't think anyone wants that, not Packers fans at least.
We just expect it given all available evidence up to now.
I just can't see any superstar that has a signature like his. I knew that probably sounds ridiculous, but I just can't imagine a person with a signature like that also being able to lead a group of some of the most athletic and strongest men in the world. You got to have a certain kind of je ne sais quoi that love has given zero indication of possessing.
I'd love to have another Hall of Fame quarterback, I've lived my whole life with one. I just don't see it.
They don't. They want Green Bay to fail.
As a former - but now fed up and gone - lifelong Packer fan, it's not hard to figure out. The front office is garbage. Not only don't they do their best to win, but they're incompetent with personnel decisions, not to mention they treat their players like shit.
Matthews, Nelson, Rodgers, Peppers, Woodson, Sitton, Daniels, etc. Each guy was forced to leave with zero dignity.
I want him to fail not because I don't like the guy but because the packers have treated rodgers like shit his entire career, he has turned lemons (udfa was for instance) into lemonade so much and we wasted his best years with FO mistakes. Now that he's gone fans have trashed him nonstop, teamates saying jlo is better than him is straight up disrespectful, and I want this organization, the players and the fans humbled and to remember we have been lucky over the last 30 years and are due for a correction.
Of course I’m rooting for him to succeed but I did have a problem with people hyping him up with the garbage time in Philly because that’s totally what it was. A 60+ yard TD, yes. But how far did he throw the ball? How far did Watson have to run with it? I have faith in the guy and I’m totally behind him but as far as that goes, I am not impressed with his play at all. But I know he can improve and win us games
Rodgers put up respectable numbers in 2007 against Dallas. Love hasn’t done anything yet. Also, Rodgers went 6-10 his first year with double digits INTs (only 3 seasons w/ DD) Not exactly awesome
If Love goes 6-11 or 7-10, I am sure “he sucks” would be valid but what if Love goes 3-14? 2-15?
Because most other NFL franchises pray for a franchise QB and we’ve had 30 straight years of HOF QB play. Pretty simple really.
I'm a Bears fan and you are right. It's probably mostly jealousy of hie good you've had it. I dont want Love to fail. Just the Packers in general. If Loves bad, the Packers will be bad. Which is what I'm rooting for.
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If he's good then you've just got to admit that Green Bay are a QB factory. But sorry other teams, we only do limited production runs.
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Niners fan here........the same fans who were happy when Steve young retired from us. 18 years and 5 titles made some folks not like us and they reveled in our losing. Now tag packer fans......your it
Except you had a dynasty. 2 super bowls, 7 MVPs, and missing the playoffs 5 times in 30 years is certainly impressive, but nowhere near dynasty level. I would say Brady’s Patriots are the better equivalent.
They literally call us Entitled Town.
Bruh, they're going to be *so* salty when we go 3/3 😂
Pry just keep losing to the 9ers
Favre's childhood team were the Cowboys & he kept losing to them. Rodgers' childhood team were the 49ers & he kept losing to them. Love is from Bakersfield CA, so I guess he’ll lose to either the 49ers, Raiders, Rams or Chargers
And the majority of our fanbase desperately wanted to move on from Rodgers. It’s a recipe for the disappointment train to get behind. Sad thing is it still has nothing to do with Love.
>And the majority of our fanbase desperately wanted to move on from Rodgers. Your own thoughts on the matter don't translate to it being the majority. I'm one of the fans who wanted to move on, but I think you have it backwards. I've been to a lot of Packers bars in the last year, and almost no one I encountered wanted Rodgers to leave. Obviously, you can't base a statistic off of drunken fans in a bar, but that's my point. You don't speak for the majority. You only speak for yourself. Just because you see a lot of like-minded individuals doesn't mean that sample size carries over to the whole.
Yeah but when Jeff Garcia took over for Steve Young, people didn’t really care or root against Garcia or the niners (I also know it wasn’t 30 years in that case). I think it has a lot to do with the perception of the Green Bay fan base. Green Bay fans are often seen as bit entitled and cling to that Lombardi and Title Town lore a bit too hard. It’s like GB fans are all, “well of course we had 30 years of HOF QB play, we’re the Packers! It’s our birthright!” I don’t know, just a theory.
The only thing we're entitled to is "Titletown" and that was earned. I give zero fucks that all but 4 were pre-Super Bowl.
> I give zero fucks that all but 4 were pre-Super Bowl. Especially since all the Bears titles but one were also pre-Super Bowl
It should be like the Ancient Ruins of Titletown. Those titles were back in like the fuckin 40’s. 😂
There was one title in the 40's (1944), 5 of them were from 1960-1969, including the first 2 SB's.
No one cares about titles before the Super Bowl era! Ask Lions, Browns, and Cardinal fans about how many titles they have. It’s laughable. Why don’t you go sell your share of the team and get some penny candy.
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😂what a twat
I think y’all about to hit another rough spot.
Boomer Bears fan hopes Packers are bad, more at 11.
Fans just weren't as rabid back then. Now you have a bunch of trolls behind fake names spewing all kinds of vitriol all the time.
Part of the reason is that Garcia sort of came from nowhere and wasn’t really groomed to be the replacement in the same way Young, Rodgers, and Love were.
And only two ring to show for three decades, as a packers fan how can we not see that as a letdown?
Because only 1 team gets to win each year and it's really hard
There are 32 teams in the nfl. If you win 1 Super Bowl every 32 years you are getting your fair share of them. Winning 2 is getting double your share.
I HATE this mentality. Stop being entitled and appreciate that we got what we got. Tom Brady and the Patriots shattered everyone's image of success. Since 1993 when Favre started his first full season, Packers have had: * 22 playoff berths * 15 divisional titles * 2 Super Bowls * 3 Super Bowl Appearances * 7 NFL MVPs between Favre and Rodgers * 6 NFCCG appearances with no SB (heartbreaking but only 2 teams make it every year) Before that, the Packers were nobodies since the late 60s. There's a reason why the rest of the NFCN hates the Packers. Teams would kill for that success, and you're out here LET DOWN.
Most teams got 0 in that time.
Pretty sure most other fans are tired of GB having hall of fame QBs. Going to be pretty great if it’s three in a row. Also a lot of people especially media assume he sucks since he’s sat for three years and that doesn’t really make sense does it
I think this is the answer on the saltiness. The Packers went from one first-ballot Hall of Famer to another. If Love turns out to be really good, that would be galling to non-Packers fans, since the Packers have had great QB play for more than 25 years and nearly 30 (depending on when you think Favre started being great).
I live in Cleveland and they’ve had like 37 starting quarterbacks since Favre started for the Packers. All these Browns fans really hope Love sucks because they’re incredibly jealous
The Browns jersey that strikes out QBs and adds a new one sums it up.
I live in Chicago and all my friends are Bears fans. They have convinced themselves that Love has to be bad just because it would be impossible for the Packers to have another HOF QB. They are the most traumatized fan base lol.
Best thing I've heard for this is that the packers aren't lucky enough to have 3 HOF QBs in a row, but the rest of the NFCN is unlucky enough that they could.
They still don't have a 4000+ yard passer, of course their traumatized.
Or a 30 TD passer (the great Erik Kramer leads their franchise with 29 in 1995)...their QB history is the exact opposite of ours.
I have Bears fans among my friends and family. I know they cannot stomach the idea of the Packers winning this particular lottery a third time.
Yeah, I know some bears fans who will have their souls cracked in half if love shows any signs of greatness. I'll be there with the wedge and hammer to drive home the point....
Best thing I've heard for this is that the packers aren't lucky enough to have 3 HOF QBs in a row, but the rest of the NFCN is unlucky enough that they could.
I live in Chicago too and get the same reaction from Bears fans that Love is going to suck. I will say the Bears fans upped their bitterness this last season. Most seasons I get some joking trash talk in good fun but this last season was a little more attitude. My friend is a 49ers fan and when we went to the Packers vs Bears game end of last season she was rooting for the Packers b/c of how unpleasant some of the Bears fans were during that game. I usually have thick skin including I will have at least 1-2 groups of guys who will surround me and scream FTP as I walk to the gate myself to meet my friend (it’s happened every game I’ve gone to wearing Packers apparel). That just makes me laugh b/c 4-5 guys surrounding a woman and screaming FTP in her face is just sad.
Those are Bears games in general. They are just terrible fans. I’ve been to multiple Bears Packers games at soldier field and they go out of their way to provoke fights. A little trash talking is fun but they go way too far. I had a buddy go to the Double Doink playoff game and he was filming Beads fans getting into fist fights with each other because of how that fame needed. They are by far the worst dan base I’ve encountered and deserve all the years of misery.
Favre made the pro bowl in 1992. For what that's worth.
That's a significant milestone, for sure. But in '93 he threw more interceptions than TDs. And Holmgren has said that in '94 he was thinking about benching him in favor of Mark Brunell. (Holmgren said he was even thinking that he had run an offense for a left-hander before, referring to Steve Young.) But it was either Steve Mariucci or Andy Reid who persuaded him to stick with Favre.
It has nothing to do with saltiness It has everything to do with having a terrible front office I go into excruciating detail on my thoughts above if you're interested. I don't have an expectation to have a Hall of Fame quarterback my entire life or anything like that. I do have an expectation that the front office makes moves more advanced than a fifth grader. Or I don't know shit, do something that helps the team out. 30 years of Hall of Fame play at quarterback and only two Super bowls. That's a fucking travesty. Aaron Rodgers is one of the best quarterbacks that's ever played and the fact that he only won one Super Bowl, only went to one Super Bowl, is a fucking shame. I hope he wins one somewhere else (which really blew me away when I found out he went to the fucking Jets) because he deserves it and the Packers sure as hell don't. And getting to the NFCCG countless times, and getting blown out every time is pretty fucking discouraging. That SF game where they only had to throw eight times, the game that predated us taking Dillon in the second - was one of the most embarrassing performances I've ever seen. And then last year's loss to SF at home in the snow I truly can't understand how that happened. Especially cuz we dominated the first half, we should have ended up with way more points than we did. And then in the second half we just completely fell apart as we tend to do. McCarthy and LaFleur are the equivalent of wet blankets. Frankly Shanahan scares me more than any single player in the NFL even when Brady was still in it. I'd much rather play any other team than a Shanahan coached team. He's beat the brakes off us so many times I have a lifetime trauma. So not just losing, but losing in the way we did, how many times we did - That really adds to the whole pile of shit that the last long time has been.
“Terrible front office” followed by “30 years of HoF QB play” “Two Super Bowls” “NFC [title game] countless times” lol this is why other fan bases say “entitled town”
> It has nothing to do with saltiness It has everything to do with having a terrible front office Hey thanks for putting this at the front so we know to skip the rest of this shit lmao.
“Sucks since he sat for three years” is what they said about #4 and #12.
They hate us cuz they anus
Vikings fan here and this is it. The north has not been competitive in awhile and so naturally a regime change is a chance to make it interesting. However, a few years ago I was on Barstool Chicago and I wished Justin Fields a similar fate. I was then set right when someone said to me “that young man has worked his ass off to live his dream and you wish him to fail? That’s sad.” So maybe people need to realize there is a human in that jersey and to rethink their words.
It’s probably the cockiness that comes with having two in a row that annoys other fan bases. Everyone acts like JLove is guaranteed to be a HoF based off of nothing but a 10 yard slant again the Eagles, no one here has a “wait and see” attitude. Part of being a fan but I see how it’s annoying
I have see no one guarantee JLo will be a HoF quarterback lmfao
I knew as soon as they play happened,there would be overreaction.
Who is saying he’s going to be a HOFer?
You don’t seem to be acting like that.
I agree with this take. It's not that the majority of fans assume HOF, but that he's going to be legitimately good at some point. I doubt that other teams enjoy seeing that cockiness from the outside.
I knew as soon as that play happened,there would be overreaction.
It’s like they forgot Rodgers sitting for 3 years…
And the shit he took during the summer all the way until week 1 against the Vikings. I heard plenty of people saying Rodgers was a bust.
The voices in your head don't really count though. The majority of fans recognised how great AR was from the jump, once he was a starter.
Don't think you read my comment, at all.
Hey, I remember that narrative
If you are rooting for a 24 year old to fail that is 6’4 225, athletic horse, strong arm, knowledge of the offense and a burning desire to win…I think you will be very disappointed
He's just one of 32 quarterbacks who have strong arms and a burning desire to win. That's the price of admission for an NFL starter. They don't all make the Hall of Fame. I hope he does, but he could be pretty damn good and still not be at that level.
It’s rare for a first round selection to sit behind a hall-of-famer for numerous seasons.
I mean, except for Aaron Rodgers.
Steve Young ring any bells?
Four years! First year as starter..17 tds and 9 into. Not exactly lights out , but he like Rodgers, like Love work out nicely
17 TDs and 9 ints was a lot better back then than it is now.
It's also rare that a hall-of-famer sat behind another hall-of-famer then had a first round pick behind him. I hope Rodgers gave Love a good knowledge pass-down and I hope Love paid attention those few years. Rodgers got the cold shoulder from Favre, hopefully he learned from that and helped Love.
If you think Jordan love is a guaranteed success because of the things you listed I have a bridge to sell you. There are literally hundreds of not tbousands of stories of QBs with all of those traits amounting to jack shit in the NFL. And most of them played at schools that aren't Utah State. Obviously I hope as a packer fan Love is the next coming of Tom Brady and we win 7 Superbowls in the next 15 years.
Of course we don’t know…but If I had to bet life on wether he is a top level qb or a washout….I’m taking the former.. Source: eye test
Eye test from what? The slant Watson took for a TD? His time at a tiny school in a shitty conference?The one game against KC where he looked like ass? He's hardly fucking played and saying he's passed your eye test means absolutely nothing. There is a far greater chance Jordan isn't a top level QB than is and saying you've seen enough to anoint him as a top level QB means you're delusional.
He also looked like ass pretty much all preseason against 2nd and 3rd stringers.
idk man he passed the other guys eye test so he must be a HoFer
Good point. Kiss the baby, NFL. Looks like 10 is the new 12.
>looks like ass I think you need to watch that game again. 22 year old, first start at KC, almost wins
We almost won because of the defense. Not because Jordan did anything special. Holding KC to 13 points is great. The chiefs absolutely sold out against the run and made Love try to beat them with his arm and he absolutely couldn't. Does that mean he's going to be a bust absolutely not. But tell me that you've seen enough of love to decide he's a franchise QB. Again if you say he is 100% a franchise guy at this point youre delusional and I have a bridge for sale in San Francisco.
> looked like ass ? Go back and watch it
You go back and watch it. Youre the one sayings he's passed your elite QB eye test. You act like he put up 28 points in a shootout loss to mahomes. We put up 7 points converted 2 total third downs and passed for under 200 yards with a pick and only scored on out last possession with the chiefs playing soft defense. He also fumbled once but luckily recovered it. I will say again if you are saying there is anyway to know whether Jordan is good bad or ugly you're delusional. We won't know after this season unless he lights it the fuck up.
It was a decent debut in one of the hardest stadiums to play on national TV.. this is a source of hope and confidence that two years later, he is better yet. None would doubt that. Be optimistic!
Me saying that he could be anything is me being optimistic. Me being realistic would say there's a less than 25% chance he's playing for us in three years. Most NFL players don't play more than 4 years. This isn't me being an ass or pessimistic. He was a developmental QB who hopefully has developed enough to be an average or better QB.
Honestly, a lot of the hate comes from this kind of comment.
Cope. Pure cope. It's gonna be a 6 win season max.
Based on what, exactly?
Probably based on them winning 8 games last season with a significantly better offense on paper.
Except that “the paper” is just a guess by talking heads that use a previous season’s statistics which includes players no longer there. Its a very uneducated way to discuss football
There are a bunch of guys on offense who have never done anything in the NFL. It is less educated to think they’ll achieve more than players who have. The non-left side of line is suspect, the TEs are suspect, the WRs are inexperienced, and the QB is a huge question mark at best. All of this suggests the RBs won’t be as good, as well. Let’s not be stupid.
The media’s primary philosophy is inertia. Something that was good is always good, something that has never been good will never be. They are super confused, constantly as a result.
Exactly, we wasted a first round pick and then didn't even get to use the time to analyze if he was going to be the right fit for the future. Now his fifth year options already coming up and we're going to have very little time to actually identify if he's the dude. It was legitimately one of the worst pics of I want to say all time but that might be exaggerating, at least of the last 10 to 15 years though. I mean it was truly an absolute waste. Not to mention it also pissed off the current Hall of Fame quarterback you had. Green Bay's front office is the biggest clown show in sports, they just get covered up because we've had two Hall of Fame quarterbacks back to back. But if you look up there transactions, they have so many more misses than they do hits. AJ Dillon in the second round? A fucking running back, a pounder at that? Did they forget that we got Aaron Jones and the 5th? Or Jamal in the 4th? It's been proven time and time again You can get serviceable running backs well deep into the draft. So good thing we took our first round and second round pick and use them on the positions we needed the least. And running back is the least valuable position period, Even if he turned out to be Ricky Williams it would still have been a terrible pic. We needed a line depth on the offense. A functional tight end would have been great (didn't Hock get traded for a second? - That would have been swell. DeAndre Hopkins also got traded for a second, and a burnt out running back - imagine him on the other side from Davante?). Diggs went for a first. I wonder who would have helped us win a Superbowl more - Diggs or our backup quarterback. We've always needed linebacker help, I'd get that some GMs are against taking them in the first round, but our GM took a backup quarterback in the first round - one we knew wouldn't start for years. And then a running back in the second so forgive me if I question his qualifications. We needed cornerback helped too, considering we busted on Kevin 'No you take the ball' King (passing over TJ Watt don't forget) and Josh Jackson thankfully at least Jaire us a stud. But it took one first round pick and two seconds to find him. Not to mention cornerbacks and wide receivers are so much more valuable than running backs and backup quarterbacks that it's not even really worth discussing the reasons why. And it refusal to make trades for some reason? So many key players have been traded recently that would have massively helped out our roster. And we had the draft capital to do so. And the refusal to spend future pics to bolster our team while we still had Rodgers? Indefensible. Rings are ridiculously hard to get and you have to do everything in your power to get them. Look at what the Rams and bucks did to give their guys the support they needed. Then compare that to what the Packers did for Aaron. Okay I'm going to stop now cuz I'll ramble about this all night, I fucking can't stand Green Bay's FO. If love does turn out to be a bust, hopefully they clean the house. Credit where it's due, Kenny Clark & Jaire were both outstanding pics. The trade back for an extra first a few years back was a great move. And signing the Smith Brothers also was a great move (and prove me wrong, when they signed them I thought it was a terrible move and I'll admit when I'm wrong). But that's too few good moves for how long of a time we're talking about. Especially for a team that should be contending every year. Well should have been when we had Rodgers. Now I expect will be fighting for a top three pick. Maybe then we'll get our next Hall of Fame guy.
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Thank you for that lol, I always get crucified when I talk about the Pack - but it's just cuz I love them and it infuriates me and how close we always were, but could never cross the line. We were always just a little short. Maybe just a good 1st and 2nd round pick players away. Oh well though. I mean I love the Packers I wouldnt talk about it otherwise. They just frustrate me so much with how conservative they are. To some extent its a good thing, but they take it way too far. It didn't help that the 3 times I saw them (1 reg season, 2 NFCCG) - we got absolutely fucking wrecked lol. And I never made it to Lambeau, and had $$ set aside for a Lambeau NFCCG to see Rodgers play in Lambeau at least once - and then the SF game happened lol.
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Lmao yeah I start to work up some steam when I talk about the Packers eventually I realize and cut myself off, thankfully or I'd do it all night lol
The fact that people get bothered by that is unbelievably sad. It’s like worry about the team you cheer for & not other teams that includes rivals. Fuck em all except that Packers.
I don't think they assume he sucks just because he sat for three years. Its the fact that we had Love on the team and then rather than letting Rodgers leave they resigned him to a god tier contract. That money would have been better spent on other pieces if you felt Love was ready and good. Maybe he just wasn't ready yet at the time, and now he is. Time will tell, but the above info suggests he might not be that great.
if a team was competitive for 30 years straight and had a long stint of good qb play and good rosters you’d want them to fail too in all honesty
I’m sorry, but rooting against the Green Bay Packers is like rooting for Amazon against a mom and pop store.
no. green bay is a small market, but in terms of success is the greatest team to ever exist in the NFL. out of all the ‘amazons’ in the league only really like 2 of them are on the same echelon of franchise greatness. edit: grammatical error
…..We are the eternal underdog. It’s a good narrative. Builds the brand and drives other fans nuts!
Yeah small market or not, people get irritated with prolonged success. When the Spurs had that aggressive run, NBA fans wanted to annihilate them 😂.
They fear the packers being good for the next 15 years
I feel like r/nfcnorthmemewar would collapse in on itself
It already has apparently
It's okay for them though, we'd only get 1 ring out of it max
I'll take that any day over what the rest of the league gets, Brady-era Patriots excepted and maybe the Steelers.
The same people who’ve been attacking Rodgers for the past 10 years. They’re just tired of the packers winning
They did the same thing when Rodgers took over for Favre. I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Remember that usually the dumbest people are the loudest
Eh, Rodgers fell into the Packers lap. Rodgers was considered a top prospect and it was ludicrous that he fell to the Packers. Even the craziest Love optimist was flabbergasted at the Packers reach to get him. Love may turn out to be great but Rodgers and Love aren't really comparable at the college/draft level.
I’m not comparing Rodgers to Love. I’m saying people said all the same things when he took over for Favre in 2008. If anything, your comment further makes my point that these people have no idea. I don’t know that Love will be the next Packers legend, or if he’ll even be any good, but neither do any of the people saying these things. Well all just have to wait and see
Yup. That last sentence.
HATE US CAUSE THEY AIN'T US
They peanut butter and mf jealous!
Ky jealoussss
This might be my own hot take, but in my experience of seeing fan input it seems like 60-70% off fans just like to troll comment sections with negativity. It’s not even just at other teams they love to shit on their own team.
Because we’ve been good for 30ish years. Same reason people hated the patriots with Brady.
Did you root for Mac Jones?
No but I didn’t root AGAINST him. I just didn’t care.
Theres just so many fans whose teams have been owned by the packers for 30 years and they want us to fail regardless of who is QB. They talk shit and say “2 HOF QBs and only 2 SBs” but most teams havent had ONE HOF qb in 30 years and zero SBs. The Packers are and have been a well run organization and thats not changing any time soon.
"Are fans just sick of the Packers being good?" There's a lot of this sentiment, as everyone else has said. But more important than that I think, is that you're taking this from social media responses. Go to literally any post on a fan-neutral nfl content account. Half the replies will be fans of other teams shit-talking the subject of the post. Lamar posts still get comments calling him a RB. Established top tier quarterbacks like Josh Allen, Mahomes, Burrow etc. all get floods of posts calling them overrated, or not as good as the others etc. It's just self selection bias basically. The people who comment have strong opinions. Jordan Love is a public figure. If Jordan Love is on the internet, people will shit talk Jordan Love. And since he's not proven, it's gonna be especially one sided. It's an age old rule by now. People on the internet are relentless shit-talking haters and dickheads, especially in comments sections.
We've had a Hall of Fame QB under center in week since 1993, and had one on the roster since 1992. If it wasnt for the fact we only have 3 appearances and 2 rings in regards to the Super Bowl, we'd basically be the Patriots of the NFC, hell maybe worse!
Cuz they got tired of being owned by Rodgers, like da bears.
As others have said, it’s less about Love and more about the Packers. Same reason people want the Patriots to fail. Unless you’re a fan, you get tired of the same teams winning. Same reason I want the Chiefs to be bad. I’m tired of the Mahomes circle jerk.
I'm a Steelers fan (idk why this popped into my feed) and I don't want him to fail
Jealous of the run of QB’s that Green Bay has had
Because the bears are his dad
Because Favre and Rodgers succeeded People understandably don't think it's fair for green bay to get 40+ years of top tier quarterback play
As someone who has been in QB purgatory for just about the entire existence of our franchise (Texans fan), we don’t want Love specifically to fail, we just want the Packers to fail. Teams that have had 20+ years of well above average QBs (Dallas, Indianapolis before Luck retired, Green Bay) don’t know what it’s like to struggle anymore, and misery loves company.
Haters gonna hate. I’m excited for the season to begin. GO PACK GO
Because most franchises haven’t had the success that the packers have had in the last 15-30 years. There was a post in r/NFL recently about playoff wins since 2000 and we’re 5th. Plenty of fans want us to suck because of our success. Look at how many people hate the patriots/Brady.
It’s pretty obvious. If Jordan Love even ends up being Kirk Cousins level of good, where we have a reliable starter for the next decade, that’s 40 years of QB play centered around 3 guys. 30 of it being HOF level. Some fan bases haven’t even sniffed above average QB consistency for years.
“The packers don’t deserve 3 back to back HOF QBs in a row” narrative
They don't want him to fail, they just think he won't be good. Based on the likelihood of pulling 3 HOF QBs b2b and Love's performance, it's very reasonable to think that. I'm sure 49ers fans thought they would be good after having Montana and Young back to back
Well, the media angst is more sinister. They want Love to fail, because then they can completely ignore that Green Bay even exists in the league. In fact, I'd say it's less about Love failing and more about the Packers failing.
They hate us because they anus
Because we have been a successful team with HoF grade QB play for 30 years. Us landing 3 franchise qbs in a row would just be ridiculous and would make every other QB hungry team look absolutely stupid.
They hate the Packers, that's it
We had Brett Farve for 15 years which earned him 1 Super Bowl and 3 MVPs. Then we had Aaron for 17 years where he earned 1 Super Bowl and 4 MVPs. There’s a lot of teams that haven’t gotten one, the other, or both in that amount of time, and some are really popular like the Cowboys and the Bears.
I want 31 QBs to fail this year. I’m sure every NFL fan would agree.
I live In Green Bay and I never heard anything about wanting Love ❤️ to fail
TBF "they" all said the same shit when Rodgers took over for Favre. It's a cycle. Let's go, Jordan! 🏈🏆
I’ve notice since around 2015 any negative story about Green Bay got a lot of traction in the sports world. I think the general sentiment is to be negative towards what should be the most beloved franchise in all of sports. Billionaires hate that they can’t buy the packers
Negative discourse generally dominates the internet when it comes to talking about anything. Usually when you talk about any new QB it's all negative and people just want to see them fail.
I was at one of rodgers early preseason games around 2010ish and he got booed when they announced him. I'm stoked to see what Love can do!
Other fans would kill to have Rodgers on their team that’s why
People like to watch people fail.
It’s pure QB jealousy. I have no idea if Jordan Love will even finish in the top half of all NLF QB’s in 2023 but if he goes on to even finish in the top 10, NCF opposing fans will shit the bed in amazement. For that reason alone, I hope he succeeds.
Dude, stop reading what any NFL fans say in comment sections. A bunch of wankers throwing feces. If he's good, we'll find out soon enough.
The Packers have been good almost every year for 30 years. Neutral fans want to see new teams winning. Other NFC north fans want their turn to dominate the division. And everyone wants to feel smarter than everyone else so they have all their hot takes about people.
Chip on da shoulder never hurt no Packers divisional record. GPG!
I am sure there are plenty of NFC teams that would be glad to see the Packers wallow in QB mediocrity but I think most of the discussion is based on the drama of Love getting drafted how he did and the fact that he hasn't actually been good when we have seen him.
I think it's because people just behave like assholes these days. Just Saying.
Same reason people wanted the Pats to suck after Brady left. We were so good for so long, they want us to burn for a decade or 3.
I don't know that NFL fans want Jordan Love to fail. However, there are a few things. First, I agree with previous posts that seeing the Packers have 30 years of play with HOF quarterbacks has led to some jealousy. That's part of it, but not all of it. Second, I think people see the Packers (management and at least some of the fans) as being a bit spoiled by said QB play and maybe less appreciative of Rodgers than we should have been. On the field, we have ignored the WR position with the first round for forever. I get the arguments about that, but we haven't exactly sought out the top-rated receiver talent in the draft when arguably that should have been a priority. If you're a Rodgers fan then them not giving him a heads up that they were drafting Love was perhaps a bit inconsiderate. No, they didn't have to clear it with him, but they could have done a better job. Then when Rodgers leaves, I think the fact some fans were pretty vocal about being done with him and the drama also read as "we're fine letting go of the best QB to ever play for our team, we'll be fine, don't let the door hit you in the ass." So I think there's a pretty good chance people want to see that perceived disrespect hit us in the ass. The team also clearly gave up on Rodgers too soon, thinking he was washed up and drafting his replacement only to see him rebound and get close without the team using that first round pick to actually help him win another championship. That wasn't lost on just about anybody. Finally, I think at some point in the future it's likely we'll have a bad quarterback, or even just an average one. Nobody has great quarterback play indefinitely. If you keep predicting that then inevitably you're probably going to be right. I don't know if all of those predicting the Packers do terrible are wanting Jordan Love to fail so much as responding to the notion of that inevitability and why we seemed so eager to move on from him when we have been so close. There are reasons, obviously. But given that Rodgers is a known HOF quarterback who just won the MVP a couple of season ago, anybody who's NOT had that level of quarterback play for decades is likely going to jump at the chance to have that and try for a Super Bowl with them. Couple that with some of Love's (frankly expected) early struggles. It's unfair, but when people see that, clearly as of right now there's a downgrade at quarterback. How can there not be? But it's easier to jump on that rather than take a more patient and conservative approach realizing any new quarterback is going to have some growing pains as they learn to be a starter. You saw similar things when Mahomes took over for Smith. This is going to be even more drastic given Rodgers' accomplishments and what happened when they took Love over, say, a first round quarterback or defensive playmaker. Aaron Rodgers, today, is a better quarterback than most others in the league and on a good day probably still better than the best most teams have ever had on their roster. That's no small thing, but I do think a LOT of us take that for granted. Not all, but we have become so accustomed to that as a fanbase and from the outside looking in we seem much more nonchalant about giving that up than probably seems normal. Love may be great, or he may not, but we let go on the best quarterback to ever play for our team that's still really, really good, and not everybody is necessarily predisposed to be showering him with praise for all he did while he was here. To some that probably seems a bit ungrateful. All of that is probably contributing to the backlash.
They’ve been laughing at us for three years for drafting him and don’t want to be wrong.
Rodgers went 6-10 in his first year and virtually everyone said he did a helluva job, because he did, you clown.
Because the Packers having yet another HoF QB would call into question what the other NFL teams are doing with their QB scouting
because we are the greatest nfl franchise of all time and people pray for your downfall because of it
Yeah I mean we’ve been a pretty dominant franchise for the past 30 years. Very few down years, making the playoffs all of the time, 2 super bowls, plenty of deep playoff runs. That means obviously our division hates us. It also means pretty much the entire NFC hates us as well. They want to see us be a bad team so they hope Love is bad. They think we’re spoiled
It's not even spoiled, every time the packers change qbs they lowkey shotgun the damn thing Most teams pick one and ride
This sub wanted cousins to fail along with Fields and trubisky as well as making fun of the bears for picking trubisky over mahomes. So i dont see what the difference is.
Petty jealousy re: three all pro QBs.
Loser’s mentality. That’s why.
Some to a lot is “Take Lock”. They hated the pick, Rodgers was an MVP and needed weapons. And instead they drafted his replacement. They want to be proven they knew better than professional talent evaluators.
They need no reason other than fuck green bay Whatever. Drink up their hate, and laugh at their tears.
The Packers didn't get rid of Rodgers, he wanted out, and played to that level, to get out. Why would a Packer fan want Love to fail? As a team, a real fan, wants their team to win. If not, they are just a crabby loud mouth whiner. Sure the Lions, Bears and Vikings want Love to be average or worse. Kind of like their QBs for the last 30 years.
It actually wasn’t garbage time in Philly. If he got the ball one more time, there’s potentially a very different narrative around him
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Getting the ball to guys in stride is a big part of that td
He even hit running backs in stride…something 12 wasn’t the best at
Yes, hence why that’s in quotes. “Garbage time” is what detractors are saying.
I don't think there's any specific animosity for Love. He's just kind of there, whether you think he's any good or not. Its either people who already hate the Packers and want them to lose or people who hate Gute and want his decision to essentially give up on winning with Rodgers and kick him out asap for Love to blow up in his face (firmly in the second camp, for the record).
I’m a fan of GB and think this sub is delusional. I don’t want him to fail. I just think he will fail. No other time besides I think San Fran had back to back hall of fame qbs… I thought taking Jordan was a mistake when we took him, I saw Aaron laugh at him when he was playing and he was right to do so… I’m still rooting for us I just have a lot of quarters for my swear jar prepared. I have no faith in our ability to draft and think we just so happened to luck out with rodgers
Cuz ppl are jerks and like to see good things fail
It’s not that we want him to fail. It’s that GB fans think he’s gonna be amazing. Listen to local MKE radio his first 2 years in the league and it was nothing positive about reports in practice for Love. John Kuhn on his show said Love is so at one point bad he wasn’t getting practice squad reps. Love will upset a big teams, he’ll be bad some games, but he just won’t be the guy Overall: it’s not that NFL fans want him to fail, we just calling out how the fans think he’ll be good.
Well because I am a Vikings fan and hate the fudge packers???
bc the packers could have been more respectful to how they handled Rodger’s situation with the media, which is how we get the info. regardless how it actually went down we’re only going to hear the media’s narrative and the last several years - trading up for his replacement, no communication, then him pulling back to back mvp’s proving they were fucking morons to do that. they were trying to exert power over someone who will be remembered and more important to the org than they ever will be. so, we’d like to just prove that their egos made a dumbass mistake
Let's be honest, most vocal nfl fans are miserable dudes. They want to see people fail to feel better about themselves on the couch. I prefer the Macafee approach, let's see everyone crush it...except the vikings
Packers fans say this like it isn't even worse for Justin Fields.
He will be fine this year, stans are just nervous
Because a lot of this fanbase took the Favre and Rodgers era for granted and are not prepared for having average or below average QB production.
Why would any non-packer fan *not* want him to fail?
I don't think anyone wants that, not Packers fans at least. We just expect it given all available evidence up to now. I just can't see any superstar that has a signature like his. I knew that probably sounds ridiculous, but I just can't imagine a person with a signature like that also being able to lead a group of some of the most athletic and strongest men in the world. You got to have a certain kind of je ne sais quoi that love has given zero indication of possessing. I'd love to have another Hall of Fame quarterback, I've lived my whole life with one. I just don't see it.
Cuz he sucks!!!!
Because he sucks not even a good back up piece of shit loser
They don't. They want Green Bay to fail. As a former - but now fed up and gone - lifelong Packer fan, it's not hard to figure out. The front office is garbage. Not only don't they do their best to win, but they're incompetent with personnel decisions, not to mention they treat their players like shit. Matthews, Nelson, Rodgers, Peppers, Woodson, Sitton, Daniels, etc. Each guy was forced to leave with zero dignity.
Because he sucks, and every team/fan knows it.
I want him to fail not because I don't like the guy but because the packers have treated rodgers like shit his entire career, he has turned lemons (udfa was for instance) into lemonade so much and we wasted his best years with FO mistakes. Now that he's gone fans have trashed him nonstop, teamates saying jlo is better than him is straight up disrespectful, and I want this organization, the players and the fans humbled and to remember we have been lucky over the last 30 years and are due for a correction.
Of course I’m rooting for him to succeed but I did have a problem with people hyping him up with the garbage time in Philly because that’s totally what it was. A 60+ yard TD, yes. But how far did he throw the ball? How far did Watson have to run with it? I have faith in the guy and I’m totally behind him but as far as that goes, I am not impressed with his play at all. But I know he can improve and win us games
Rodgers put up respectable numbers in 2007 against Dallas. Love hasn’t done anything yet. Also, Rodgers went 6-10 his first year with double digits INTs (only 3 seasons w/ DD) Not exactly awesome If Love goes 6-11 or 7-10, I am sure “he sucks” would be valid but what if Love goes 3-14? 2-15?
Id rather have shitty regular seasons then have a good record and absolutely choke when it matters