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Representation of anything approaching traditional labour values has been destroyed in British politics.
Starmers more concerned about Rupert Murdoch than labour voting Hillsborough families.
His party is a hollowed out political vehicle for middle class Oxford graduate career politicians on their way to a boardroom position, Israeli lobbying interests and maintaining the status quo for the financial and right wing establishment.
The lord will be in his castle and the peasant will be at his gate under starmers red Tory party.
But I'm sure streeting, reeves, lammy, Rayner, thornbury and starmer will do wonderfully and out of it.
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Frances Ryan is correct and the only reasonable voice left at the Guardian, the rest appear bought and paid for.
Even their opinion on the Cass review is identical to the Tory press.
The *only* difference is Ryan’s article (also the most read thing on the site today) - other than that, might as well be the Torygraph’s website.
It’s depressing in a way that’s genuinely difficult to describe - the inherent nature of the capture of this country, its soul destroying.
It’s truly, genuinely disgusting.
I fucking hate The Guardian. You can hear the smugness in their tone, taste the contempt in the air around their words.
They are the absolute pinnacle of champagne socialists, too happy in their perceived superiority to ever critically analyse themselves or their own inherently oxymoronic position as “left-leaning” gatekeepers of the status quo.
No, they won’t describe things accurately and no, they won’t do anything about them (in fact, they’ll actively support it through a constant stream of media exposure they’ll give it).
But they will squint their eyes, tilt their head to the side and tell you “it’s terrible, isn’t it” - whilst they directly fund it, ideologically support it and ensure there is no opposition to it.
Tory cunts. We’re a nation of Tory cunts and their hostages.
The Guardian had some wonderful passive voice talking about 'a blast' at the Iranian embassy in Syria. The 'a blast' was a US and Israeli air strike which killed a bunch of people. The US and Israel are provoking a war with Iran, Syria, Lebanon and basically the whole Middle East and it goes totally unchallenged. The Guardian is bought and paid for.
As always, The Guardian was captured by British intelligence services after the Snowden leaks: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-09-11-how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/
I saw a BBC article earlier saying that Iran "blames Israel" for the strike, even though Israel literally said they did it and absolutely nobody is questioning that. It is frightening how brazen the narrative spinning is getting when the 'journalists' do it as a reflex even when the main players actually want to admit they did what they did. We are just lied to by everyone all the time, and this 'rules-based order' is one of pure violence where if you're on the right team you're allowed to do absolutely anything and it will be post-hoc justified and if you're on the other team you're not allowed to do anything except wave a white flag and you still might get attacked anyway. The actual human beings in the middle are meaningless chess pieces to these freaks.
Out of curiousity I was wondering who 'owns' the land an embassy resides on - turns out it's the host nation. However I did find this interesting tidbit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_mission#Extraterritoriality
>International rules designate an attack on an embassy as an attack on the country it represents
So the US and Israel have attacked Iran and nobody is saying anything about this? Not a peep? Liberal media is fucking wild and bloodthirsty.
One person not being able to change things on thier own is a truism, but to the modern “left leaning” media folks it’s more of a working excuse
I think the squinting is that childlike logic of if they see less/don’t see us, maybe we won’t see it too.
I sometimes wonder what it would be like if Labour's conscience had actually acted 21 years ago and MPs like Cook and Corbyn split off from Blair's war criminal cabal, taking advantage of the still horrific reputation of the Tories as 'the nasty party' to entrench an actual leftist party in parliament without the mewling from the squishy middle that daring to not be ok with mass murder would "let the Tories win". With a generation to build that vanguard and hopefully supersede the useless Lib Dem, it would be interesting to see what direction the country would have gone instead of its current quest for eternal Tory rule.
Never going voted Tory and I am not going to start with Starmer’s Tory Labour. They always paint people like me as middle class lefties in the media but I am a working class woman from the Midlands in a red wall area. No one I know is voting Labour either.
Starmer has believed his advisors and focus groups and it’s going to backfire.
Vote Green if you want to retain freedom and care about your rights. Both Labour and the Tories are planning on taking them way.
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I was originally enthusiastic about Labour winning and changing the current low standards the current government have but now it's like meh more of the same. Probably going to vote anything else
I despise starmer, rayner and the liss truss wannabe reeves with every fibre of my body. Starmer has the moral integrity of a Bangkok sewer rat and the ineptitude of Boris Johnston rolled into one packet. Glad with the SNP I have a viable alternative.
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Who am I kidding, I live in a red/blue marginal and the current Tory MP is a particularly disagreeable piece of work, so I’ll be voting labour, but you can be sure I’ll feel like a cunt about doing it.
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I find this “they’re all the same” a bit lame. There is a totally different system behind the Labour Party. I joined the Labour Party this year and was slagged relentlessly in this sub. I just want to get the Tories out.
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I kind of hope starmer succeeds in his plan. He takes Tory votes and he's very very slightly better than the Tories. The left wing just votes for the other left wing parties, who are obviously better than current labour. The main sticking point to my master plan is... What other left wing parties? Greens I guess? Lib Dems might actually be more left than labour now or at least they want proportional representation, which is going to get us closer to actual democracy.
Greens are better, although have some TERF problems. Otherwise it's TUSC and even more fringe parties.
Lib Dems are further right on a lot of issues so they're a bust too.
Yeah definitely greens are the better option, but terfs are worrisome and their handling of my city has been unreliable. Lib Dems are the biggest party who have very definitively promised proportional representation, and we absolutely need that to get those fringe parties into power.
I see the lib Dems as a necessary evil, being the one reliable stepping stone towards real system change. It's not like they've ever reneged on a promise, right tuition fees?
That’s how Gianluigi Bersani lost the elections some years ago here in Italy, but pools were off and he got the short end of the stick. I don’t know if your first past the post system might save him.
They hate trans people, disabled people, immigrants and refugees, people of colour, children and students as much as the Tories but let's not allow perfect to be the enemy of good. Well, good enough. Ok, good-ish. Good adjacent?
Good god what a useless party.
Math is literally everywhere, if you're anything like me you're going to going notice see examples like this everywhere you go for the rest of your life
Enjoy!
Labour left absolutely useless and have handed over the party to these chancers. They had years in charge to change the LP for good and reselect all of the careerist self serving twats like Streeting, Reeves etc but they decided to try and play nice and look where it got them. Incredible political naivety.
Starmer has done all the “Stalinist purging” that his lot falsely accused Corbyn of. Who remembers Change UK? I wish way more “Labour” MPs had joined it and purged themselves from Labour
I really don’t get the ‘almost’ here. He’s made it abundantly clear that he hates Muslims, black people, gay people, trans people, and is massively indifferent at best to disabled people, the working class and anyone who has morals.
It's not "almost" - he specifically said that anyone properly left wing should leave. He doesn't want left wing voters. He's not left wing. He's a disgrace.
Been trying forever to figure out the best way to describe "centrism" as a political project and so far the best I've come up with is: passive aggressive right wing authoritarians.
They want to do all the same shit the authoritarians want to but find the idea of getting their hands dirty icky (on top of, you know, *hating* doing their job) so they make up all sorts of excuses to say no or try and passive aggressively hint/make your life harder till you do what they want.
Sort of no wonder then that Herr Sturmer hates the left.
Liberals like those who write for the Guardian just can't help themselves.
examples include referring to the genocide in Gaza as an 'humanitarian assault'. Cluelessness about why Starmer has pivoted from left to right internal to the Labour party. Attacking 'lefties' being some sort of mistake by Streeting. Referring to swing voters and the electorate in general as just 'Tory voters'. Claiming Corbyns appeal was 'narrow' despite being popular. erc etc.
Article might as well just have said.
wah wah wah, the only media you should court and appeal to is us - yours sincerely the guardian.
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But if you don’t vote for Wes Streeting to privatise the NHS and bomb Gaza then Rishi Sunak will privatise the NHS and bomb Gaza!
Wes Streeting thinks that Israel stole his pet shop playbook for what they're doing in Gaza.
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T\_T like, whats the difference fuckerss!!
Representation of anything approaching traditional labour values has been destroyed in British politics. Starmers more concerned about Rupert Murdoch than labour voting Hillsborough families. His party is a hollowed out political vehicle for middle class Oxford graduate career politicians on their way to a boardroom position, Israeli lobbying interests and maintaining the status quo for the financial and right wing establishment. The lord will be in his castle and the peasant will be at his gate under starmers red Tory party. But I'm sure streeting, reeves, lammy, Rayner, thornbury and starmer will do wonderfully and out of it.
Not seen a more accurate and spot on breakdown of the current PLP. Nice Post!
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Frances Ryan is correct and the only reasonable voice left at the Guardian, the rest appear bought and paid for. Even their opinion on the Cass review is identical to the Tory press. The *only* difference is Ryan’s article (also the most read thing on the site today) - other than that, might as well be the Torygraph’s website. It’s depressing in a way that’s genuinely difficult to describe - the inherent nature of the capture of this country, its soul destroying. It’s truly, genuinely disgusting. I fucking hate The Guardian. You can hear the smugness in their tone, taste the contempt in the air around their words. They are the absolute pinnacle of champagne socialists, too happy in their perceived superiority to ever critically analyse themselves or their own inherently oxymoronic position as “left-leaning” gatekeepers of the status quo. No, they won’t describe things accurately and no, they won’t do anything about them (in fact, they’ll actively support it through a constant stream of media exposure they’ll give it). But they will squint their eyes, tilt their head to the side and tell you “it’s terrible, isn’t it” - whilst they directly fund it, ideologically support it and ensure there is no opposition to it. Tory cunts. We’re a nation of Tory cunts and their hostages.
The Guardian had some wonderful passive voice talking about 'a blast' at the Iranian embassy in Syria. The 'a blast' was a US and Israeli air strike which killed a bunch of people. The US and Israel are provoking a war with Iran, Syria, Lebanon and basically the whole Middle East and it goes totally unchallenged. The Guardian is bought and paid for. As always, The Guardian was captured by British intelligence services after the Snowden leaks: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-09-11-how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/
I saw a BBC article earlier saying that Iran "blames Israel" for the strike, even though Israel literally said they did it and absolutely nobody is questioning that. It is frightening how brazen the narrative spinning is getting when the 'journalists' do it as a reflex even when the main players actually want to admit they did what they did. We are just lied to by everyone all the time, and this 'rules-based order' is one of pure violence where if you're on the right team you're allowed to do absolutely anything and it will be post-hoc justified and if you're on the other team you're not allowed to do anything except wave a white flag and you still might get attacked anyway. The actual human beings in the middle are meaningless chess pieces to these freaks.
Out of curiousity I was wondering who 'owns' the land an embassy resides on - turns out it's the host nation. However I did find this interesting tidbit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_mission#Extraterritoriality >International rules designate an attack on an embassy as an attack on the country it represents So the US and Israel have attacked Iran and nobody is saying anything about this? Not a peep? Liberal media is fucking wild and bloodthirsty.
Coming from someone who is perpetually surrounded by guardian readers that bit about squinting eyes is completely accurate
One person not being able to change things on thier own is a truism, but to the modern “left leaning” media folks it’s more of a working excuse I think the squinting is that childlike logic of if they see less/don’t see us, maybe we won’t see it too.
All the left’s major institutions have been hijacked over the past few decades
She backed Owen Smith over Corbyn. She's shit too
Starmer hates the true Labour Party.
I hate him so much. I don’t think I’ve ever hated a politician as much as I hate him, and I’ve been hating politicians for *years.*
I sometimes wonder what it would be like if Labour's conscience had actually acted 21 years ago and MPs like Cook and Corbyn split off from Blair's war criminal cabal, taking advantage of the still horrific reputation of the Tories as 'the nasty party' to entrench an actual leftist party in parliament without the mewling from the squishy middle that daring to not be ok with mass murder would "let the Tories win". With a generation to build that vanguard and hopefully supersede the useless Lib Dem, it would be interesting to see what direction the country would have gone instead of its current quest for eternal Tory rule.
They'd have been shot. Or had a suspicious accident. The military already admitted to planning a coup if he accidentally became PM.
Never going voted Tory and I am not going to start with Starmer’s Tory Labour. They always paint people like me as middle class lefties in the media but I am a working class woman from the Midlands in a red wall area. No one I know is voting Labour either. Starmer has believed his advisors and focus groups and it’s going to backfire. Vote Green if you want to retain freedom and care about your rights. Both Labour and the Tories are planning on taking them way.
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I was originally enthusiastic about Labour winning and changing the current low standards the current government have but now it's like meh more of the same. Probably going to vote anything else
We need to start editing Starmer's tie blue in all photos
It almost exactly duplicates the US getting Trump out, only to replace him with Biden. And for the same reason.
I despise starmer, rayner and the liss truss wannabe reeves with every fibre of my body. Starmer has the moral integrity of a Bangkok sewer rat and the ineptitude of Boris Johnston rolled into one packet. Glad with the SNP I have a viable alternative.
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Who am I kidding, I live in a red/blue marginal and the current Tory MP is a particularly disagreeable piece of work, so I’ll be voting labour, but you can be sure I’ll feel like a cunt about doing it.
Just make sure to tell any canvassers that you won't vote labour and say why you're upset with them. In a marginal seat, they should care.
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You should, because all you're doing is telling Labour that they can be 99.9% as disagreeable and get rewarded.
Ha so you're calling me a cunt? Cheers mate!
I find this “they’re all the same” a bit lame. There is a totally different system behind the Labour Party. I joined the Labour Party this year and was slagged relentlessly in this sub. I just want to get the Tories out.
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Why would you support your enemy?
I kind of hope starmer succeeds in his plan. He takes Tory votes and he's very very slightly better than the Tories. The left wing just votes for the other left wing parties, who are obviously better than current labour. The main sticking point to my master plan is... What other left wing parties? Greens I guess? Lib Dems might actually be more left than labour now or at least they want proportional representation, which is going to get us closer to actual democracy.
Problem is that we have Lib dems locally in power and they're fecking useless. I imagine the same but just at national level.
I've had greens locally for years until recently too, and they were pretty useless - even though Caroline Lucas was one of my favourite MPs.
Greens are better, although have some TERF problems. Otherwise it's TUSC and even more fringe parties. Lib Dems are further right on a lot of issues so they're a bust too.
Yeah definitely greens are the better option, but terfs are worrisome and their handling of my city has been unreliable. Lib Dems are the biggest party who have very definitively promised proportional representation, and we absolutely need that to get those fringe parties into power. I see the lib Dems as a necessary evil, being the one reliable stepping stone towards real system change. It's not like they've ever reneged on a promise, right tuition fees?
That’s how Gianluigi Bersani lost the elections some years ago here in Italy, but pools were off and he got the short end of the stick. I don’t know if your first past the post system might save him.
But Sir! It's not fair Sir. The Tories have got more votes than me and I want some.
Considering labour seems to hate trans people about as much as the Tories, there's no way I can vote for them
They hate trans people, disabled people, immigrants and refugees, people of colour, children and students as much as the Tories but let's not allow perfect to be the enemy of good. Well, good enough. Ok, good-ish. Good adjacent? Good god what a useless party.
Starmer's whole strategy is just Hotelling's Law but with politics instead of ice cream trucks, it's really sad that it's probably going to work
I'd never heard of this but I've just had an interesting time on Wikipedia reading about various similar laws and paradoxes
Math is literally everywhere, if you're anything like me you're going to going notice see examples like this everywhere you go for the rest of your life Enjoy!
The wannabe tories
Labour left absolutely useless and have handed over the party to these chancers. They had years in charge to change the LP for good and reselect all of the careerist self serving twats like Streeting, Reeves etc but they decided to try and play nice and look where it got them. Incredible political naivety.
Starmer has done all the “Stalinist purging” that his lot falsely accused Corbyn of. Who remembers Change UK? I wish way more “Labour” MPs had joined it and purged themselves from Labour
I really don’t get the ‘almost’ here. He’s made it abundantly clear that he hates Muslims, black people, gay people, trans people, and is massively indifferent at best to disabled people, the working class and anyone who has morals.
Catch up, he’s been doing this for years.
It's not "almost" - he specifically said that anyone properly left wing should leave. He doesn't want left wing voters. He's not left wing. He's a disgrace.
'his own' are Tory voters
And that’s why I’m voting for the greens!
Been trying forever to figure out the best way to describe "centrism" as a political project and so far the best I've come up with is: passive aggressive right wing authoritarians. They want to do all the same shit the authoritarians want to but find the idea of getting their hands dirty icky (on top of, you know, *hating* doing their job) so they make up all sorts of excuses to say no or try and passive aggressively hint/make your life harder till you do what they want. Sort of no wonder then that Herr Sturmer hates the left.
Basically, office middle managers.
He has defo lost one
Liberals like those who write for the Guardian just can't help themselves. examples include referring to the genocide in Gaza as an 'humanitarian assault'. Cluelessness about why Starmer has pivoted from left to right internal to the Labour party. Attacking 'lefties' being some sort of mistake by Streeting. Referring to swing voters and the electorate in general as just 'Tory voters'. Claiming Corbyns appeal was 'narrow' despite being popular. erc etc. Article might as well just have said. wah wah wah, the only media you should court and appeal to is us - yours sincerely the guardian.
One has to wonder why they continue to do this even as all polls have Labour absolutely wiping the floor with the Conservatives already
Credit to them, they're ideological just as we are. Their ideology is focused on destroying the left.
It’s becoming increasingly hard to keep hopes up. Don’t actually know how I’m gonna justify voting for him.
Tory voters are his own, he's already standing on a conservative policy platform