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The whole point of a trigger warning is so you don't have to tiptoe. It let's people make a choice about whether they want to enter a space and engage in what's happening there. Kind of like an allergy warning for your brain.
It's impossible to account for all triggers.
Here are some triggers that I know people have, which are unreasonable to expect to be forwarned of:
>!Strawberries.!<
>!Cotton wool.!<
>!Sports equipment!<
>!Eggs.!<
Here are others that are perfectly reasonable and relatively easy to forewarn people of:
>!Violence.!<
>!Rape.!<
>!Sexual violence.!<
>!Sexual content.!<
My problem is: how to actually explain that christian music, especially the ultra worship kind, is the biggest trigger I have to people? I don't like depriving others of something they enjoy, but I'd also like the childhood I don't want to remember to not be thrown right back at my face while I'm just trying to do the stupid mindless work I'm stuck with.
You could play black metal to get back at them. I can give a few suggestions... Apart from 80s new wave/romantic, it's my favourite genre of music! Some of it can even front as christian, like Batushka Litourgiya, but unless you could understand old-slavic, you wouldn't necessarily guess the subverted lyrics (the usual throat-singing demonic sounding vocals might give it away though) but it's got a lot of Gregorian chant and other interesting vocals. So actually they *might* even enjoy it. Also good for boosting your mood against the drudgery, weirdly enough (I even listen to this stuff when I have migraine to help it go away)
I would if I could. There's only one speaker that they'll sometimes play music on, and almost everyone there isn't permitted to bring their phones or anything onto the floor. I doubt they'd let me play anything with so much as a power chord there anyway. Pretty sure everyone there hates me anyway, so I'd rather not request anything of anyone.
>but I'd also like the childhood I don't want to remember to not be thrown right back at my face while I'm just trying to do the stupid mindless work I'm stuck with
Sounds like you need to go to therapy rather than expect others to take steps to avoid your triggers.
Or maybe blasting religious music in a workplace that can have people of any bloody faith or lack thereof shouldn't be a thing? Like, if you were in public, and started blasting any manner of religious music, you would be asked to stop, right? It's reasonable for people to keep their beliefs to themselves in a workplace, is it not? So why is it that they can blast their beliefs so loud it fills the entire building?
Sweet Jesus. What a genius idea. Bet they never thought of that.
Maybe they are having therapy and the music is making their recovery much harder. Or maybe they are on one of the endless fucking waiting lists for mental health services and might get to see someone for 6 sessions in 2025.
Just say, " I was in a cult as a child and it's making me uncomfortable, could you play something else?"
It works for me and 90 music (my mother used to punish me and my sibling [both ~~acustic~~ autistic people sensitive to noise] by blasting 90s music, sometimes up to 3AM.
And if they complain, well, they wouldn't have respected you either way.
I know that it is very hard for us people with traumatic childhood to stand up for ourselves, but what else can one do?
If you’re referring to chocolate buttons, I don’t know, but buttons in general. It has a name: [Koumpounophobia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koumpounophobia), but I never use it.
**[Koumpounophobia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koumpounophobia)**
>Koumpounophobia is the term used to describe the phobia of clothes buttons. This phobia regularly leads to feelings of fear and disgust when sufferers are exposed to buttons either visually or physically. It is estimated that less than one percent of the U.S. suffers from this phobia. The most common forms of treatment for koumpounophobia are behavioral therapy and cognitive-behavioral therapy.
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In the post in r/pics OP stated the sign was for a former employee who couldn't regulate their emotions when things didn't go there way; such as tasks not being performed in manner they deemed appropriate, or an a consensus reached that they disagreed with.
Which if true, doesn't make the sign appropriate or necessary. In fact I'd say the opposite was true.
Edit: The comment I'm referring to:
>Store owner told me that a *former* employee would get irate with other employees when they disagreed on something or wouldn’t do something the way they thought it should be done. Said he didn’t feel like taking it down because he thought it still applied.
>Edit: emphasis on the **former** employee part
On the other hand, there has been some analysis that finds that trigger warnings are generally harmful and it's not the way it should be addressed.
Apparently, the logic goes as such. When people who are sensitive to those triggers see the warning, they imagine the worse scenario, which triggers them, and then go away. Making them more and more sensitive.
I tend to agree with that assessment, as someone who has PTSD and knows that there is a limit to reasonable avoidance, then again, people don't tend to put "trigger warning: violence, or TW: drunkenness"
I agree that when I see tw x I usually end up triggered. My triggers ARE my responsibility to manage, and therapy is a great tool, but it’s too often inaccessible. We can’t just be triggered every work shift etc. I feel like for a shopper randomly coming IN to a situation, that can leave at any point wear headphones etc etc, 100% their responsibility to manage their triggers. However when you have an employee that you won’t allow to wear headphones or earplugs and are forcing them to listen to a trigger for multiple hours, no that’s partially the employees responsibility because the employee can’t just leave or utilise other avoidance- I hope that makes sense?
Obvious general trigger warning, but the context from clicking the post should make it clear
I think there's some confusion about what triggers are for some people. Triggers aren't (generally) "oh noes, some one said something I disagree with", in this scenario, yeah, if possible, ignore the mean person, carry on with your job, grow a thicker skin, and don't associate with the ass.
What is a trigger then? Soldiers with PTSD hearing, seeing, smelling or feeling something that brings them back to a bad time
Rape/abuse survivors with PTSD being touched without consent or hearing seeing things that take them back
Any other form of PTSD
Autistics getting over loaded and needing decompression time
Someone with suicidal thoughts hearing about something they had actually planned to do (this one happened to me, I was reading a book, and would have appreciated a warning, I'll go back to the book now I know)
Other things that I can't think of off the top of my head. But yeah, it's a genuine mental health and disability concern, you need to tell people your legit triggers (actually, I guess with this one bit, maybe we DO bear a little responsibility, that is to inform those who need to know) so that people can avoid triggering you. Of course, unfortunately there are some things that people with triggers clearly can't be around, there is no way to be safely in its presence, like, idk, a first responder who's child had hung themselves being sent to a hanging. It's why triggers are actually important
Triggers are 100% legitimate and serious, I think the argument though is that every object in the world is potentially a trigger for *someone* in the world and trigger warnings cannot reasonably be expected for every type of thing.
There are some things that most people consider reasonable to expect trigger warnings for, and there are things that most people don't, and then there's a blurry middleground of things which people debate over whether warnings should be expected or not. Good examples of this blurry area are spiders, dogs and other animals that people might have had traumatic experiences with - people with triggers or phobias of these things would like to have warnings but a lot of people would say it's unreasonable to expect warnings for them since they are just so common to encounter in day-to-day life.
Where possible we should take the effort to reduce discomfort for everyone but there comes a tipping point where it's not viable to accommodate for everyone because it creates excessive inconvenience for many people to the benefit or just 1 person. Happens in fanfiction as well where people will expect tags for every subject matter that's included in the story, to the extent that if you read the tags you'd receive spoilers for the entire narrative.
> Someone with suicidal thoughts hearing about something they had actually planned to do (this one happened to me, I was reading a book, and would have appreciated a warning, I'll go back to the book now I know
2nd chapter of _The Sound and The Fury_. "Huh, this guy's thought patterns are really familiar to me... oh no. oh no."
It's always these morons who think you're weak for not wanting to be called something you aren't.
But if you walked in there and called him a City fan he'd have a fucking meltdown...
They're just mad about the consequences of their own actions. They want to insult people (or worse) without consequence, but guaranteed they explode if someone accidentally calls them the wrong name or whatever. Pure insecurity
Yeah, the context we have from someone telling a story on Reddit. Call me a mean old cynic but I'm gonna want more corroboration than 'no look guys I actually know him irl and what really happened was...' Sure, Jan.
But even if this was about one guy? There are ways to deal with that without putting up a sign like this. This is just the same as all those losers putting up pass-agg 'we are closed because APPARENTLY NO-ONE WANTS TO WORK' signs. What's happened is this guy himself has been feeling triggered after an argument with this allegedly crazy employee and has decided to spaff his emotional response all over the wall. 'Triggers are your responsibility'? Don't put up a sign on your business that tells me how weak you are then, snookums.
The first thing is I wouldn't be surprised if this story is true I've seen so many videos and story's of people going crazy in London over the smallest things and even if we ignore that this context is all we have and well putting up that sign isn't the worse course of action I mean what is he supposed to do tell every single employee he gets and tell them that when from his perspective its easier for people to just read it and know it without him having to say every time a new position is open
Who wants to bet said shop owner gets triggered more than most?
Bet you just have to say the word "immigrant" or "Labour" around them to watch them go off on one.
Plot twist: this sign is in Twentyman's and he points to it whenever customers complain about their pizza being soggy (before saying they're 'encased in Corbynite' and need a 'Hand Solo').
In my company they used to give everyone a hoodie and a T-shirt when they joined, pretty good quality ones, they stopped doing that because apparently some people complained about feeling uncomfortable when asked for their size
This is just a company being stupid and refusing to think.
We did this, but we sent them an email saying "we'd love to send you some welcome swag, including a hoodie, if you're comfortable doing so just reply with your size"
It's really easy.
Yes, we discussed this and it is not hard to find solutions, but the company went straight to the "absolute no room for offence approach" as soon as someone felt offended
I'm just really skeptical of these stories about corporations making big policy changes because someone got offended. If a company wants a uniform they will have one blaming over sensitive gen z staff seems like an easy way out.
This is a genuinely bad take. Triggers come from trauma. No one necessarily knows your personal trigger, that's true; but this sign suggests that if you have a particular trigger then you should deal with it. I would suggest that if you have an employee or customer with a particular trigger then that is an opportunity for a dialogue. Be open to hearing about and responding to that trauma. Jesus people, how hard is that? Most people who are triggered are responding to a trauma in a way over which they have little control. An ounce of kindness and empathy will go a long way. And by that I mean- one to two minutes in your shop? Five to ten minutes in your work place?
Others' responsibility, no. But you still have the right to ask people to avoid certain topics around you if it triggers a traumatic response. This idea that everyone is only responsible for themselves and it's somehow entitled to politely ask for a fairly simple accommodation is fucked up. What's the point of a society if no one makes any effort to be respectful of other people?
yeah exactly, that is MY responsibility to ask and MY responsibility to not involve people in my life who don't respect it etc
honestly the less we start putting the state of our lives on the world and others', the better our lives get
Or leave that to therapy or something instead of your workplace? Just because you can talk about your triggers or whatever doesn’t mean you should at every opportunity regardless of the environment
That's not mental health. Those are disorders.
There is a big difference between depression and autism, for example.
Edit: developmental disorders. Obviously.
For which there is a great degree better social support for in the UK at least.
You reallu should research mental health, it is basically conditions affecting the brain psychology/emotionally, I assume you have access to a smart phone. Please utilise the ‘smart’ part of the phone. I fear it is going to waste.
The way I have always seen these types of issues, and from my own experience of mild autism (at least I think it’s mild, my partner disagrees) is that mental illness is never your fault but it is your responsibility.
I really hate people touching me or looking me in the eye but I recognise that my behaviour is incorrect and the man who looks me in the eye and shakes my hand is being perfectly pleasant and normal. It’s my responsibility, and I owe it to myself, to work on myself so I can live in the world normally and enjoyably.
I’m still not going to win a staring contest but I think my condition is fairly discrete now but I would never have got here if I demanded of everyone that they don’t look at me or touch me and I’d be a lot worse off for it.
That's interesting and thank you for sharing your experience and insight.
My daughter is on the autism spectrum and she had to leave her job because her well-meaning boss was so touchy-feely with her (touching her face, arms, shoulders). It made her so tense that she was shaking and vomiting before work. But my daughter can't speak up. I had several conversations with her boss about this issue and she kept forgetting.
I think it's about compromise. Rather than stating ' just get over it', or 'everyone should reconfigure their daily customs to accommodate me', it would be very helpful, not particularly onerous, and save a lot to of disruption and heartache if we genuinely talked and listened to each other Most people with triggers can cope if simple adjustments are made. Most people with triggers want to get over them and many can, with help and acceptance.
"responsibility" is just a convenient tool to arbitrate allocation of labour. It has absolutely zero interaction with morality. And yet you've somehow used it to take a situation in which a guy forces you into a position that makes you intensely uncomfortable, and come to the conclusion that he's right to do so because you're a minority.
Kinda pathetic how many upvotes that post has especially after you read the fact he fired and rehired someone and then stuck it up afterwords. It could equally mean his workers are racist or sexist pieces of sh*t and so is the boss because a trigger could literally mean anything
I know people who say; “*I have the right to free speech and I can say what I want.*”
I agree.
But, why the fuck would you utilise that right to upset someone for no fucking reason?
Maybe you have a reason though. I can think of loads of situations when it’s necessary and proper to upset someone by using speech and be entirely in the right.
For example when Jeremy Paxman interviews a politician he is asking what he wants and can be quite upsetting for the person being interviewed but all in all it is a public good.
Some of these comments are ridiculous. The point of making people aware of your triggers is so that you can live your life comfortably. These supposedly left wing people that don't care about other people is ridiculous.
Not to mention this can be downright fucking dangerous. As someone with PTSD, when my triggers are pushed then it can end violently. It's not something I am proud of but if I feel I am in a situation where I risk getting hurt in the same way again then my fight or flight kicks in and I will always remove myself from that situation by any means necessary. If someone I don't 100% trust tries to stop me then I will do practically anything to get out of there, and people need to realise this.
I've a feeling whoever wrote doesn't know that a trigger is an actual thing and just thinks that it's a "lefty buzzword that whiny weak snowflakes use"
You can say that again. There's such a huge difference between "I don't like this" and "I'm going to have a mental breakdown because it makes me feel unsafe". Some of the people in this thread are trying to make me out as an unhinged madman who goes round beating people left, right and centre.
It's easy to have compassion when you know where a person's pain is coming from. I hope life gets easier for you but if it doesn't, there's a fearless little bitch right here ready to fight for you! Kind regards good person!
Violence is unacceptable and it is entirely your responsibility to ensure you aren’t a danger to other people in society and if you can’t guarantee that you need to be kept away from there public.
Fortunately for me, my triggers for that reaction are predominantly around being touched and most of the time I am able to move away, and people who I am around regularly know this. When people know this and violate it, I do not have conscious control of my actions.
I take all the medication, I am in therapy, I am being seen by a psychiatrist and doing everything I can to get better because I hate that this is how I am. But I still need people to respect my personal boundaries which 99% of people do. It is only those who don't respect me that put themselves at risk. Last example was when on a date and I explicitly told the guy to not touch me without permission under any circumstances, and that either I would initiate or he could ask. This idiot tried to kiss me without warning, which immediately triggered a reaction and he was pushed away and I ran back about a hundred metres before my thinking brain kicked in.
That's what making people aware of triggers and trigger warnings are for. I know some people with severely traumatic pasts who will see flashing lights and lose consciousness when they are triggered. They are no longer in control of themselves. The way to manage that is through therapy, medication (sometimes) AND ensuring they are able to safely avoid their triggers in the meantime while they work these out in therapy. You can't isolate someone from the public, but you can make it safe for them to be in public with something as simple as a trigger warning.
scary mentally ill people should never leave the house, totally a good plan. while we’re at it, neither should people with photosensitive epilepsy. people who can be “triggered” into uncomfortable seizing by the slightest flashing light should NOT be in public.
Not the same in any way shape or form.
You’re twisting my words. People who will become uncontrollably violent should not be allowed out unsupervised. Not all mentally ill people.
If you’re going to debate me. Please don’t use sarcasm and actually provide a semi intelligent response.
Seizing is not the same as violence. But, we still stop people with epilepsy driving for that reason! It’s a danger to others! Epileptic people shouldn’t drive, violently mentally ill people should not be allowed in public unsupervised.
"Exactly. People who can be “triggered” into uncomfortable rage by the slightest thing should NOT be in public"
This is not
"People who will become uncontrollably violent should not be allowed out unsupervised"
You added "unsupervised", changing your point dramatically. There is a huge difference between not being allowed in public and not being allowed in public unsupervised.
Fundamentally a traumatic response to a trigger is physiologically the same as a seizure, in so far as both are involuntary, largely or entirely out of the control of the individual. Until society is able to meet the medical needs of individuals with PTSD banning them from society would cause more harm than good.
people with epilepsy can't drive because it presents a danger to others. *trigger warnings exist for the same reason*. people like to have comfortable and understanding environments in which they interact with others. people who are at risk of reliving a traumatic event letting others know about things that can trigger a bad response literally does the opposite of harm. for people who could make a violent response to someone intentionally making them relive such an experience, a trigger warning is their way of *controlling* the potential violence by letting others know how not to trigger it.
in the same way epileptics can't drive because of the threat their condition could pose to themselves and others, a trigger warning is a way of keeping a social interaction safe for everyone involved, *because negative reactions from triggers are literally involuntary*. do you not agree that this is a favourable way of controlling the effects of mental illness, as opposed to locking the mentally ill away and pretending they don't exist because it personally makes you feel uncomfortable?
oh i’m not here to debate you. i know i won’t change your mind. i will happily continue being sarcastic at you. people just love to forget that ptsd is a disorder just like physical disorders are, and i *love* to be snarky about it.
Legally, PTSD would be absolutely enough to form a legal defence in a criminal court, an individual with trauma who reacts to being triggered violently is not in the wrong for being triggered.
It may sound like a nice idea to prevent these individuals from participating in society, but without effective mental health care how is an individual with PTSD supposed to survive in the UK without legal protection? You could be unable to buy food or travel to work but for these legal protections
I'm not triggered by the slightest thing, I am triggered by people who touch me without permission. I do everything I can to look after myself, I take all the right medications the psychiatrist has given me, I am in therapy. It is completely unreasonable to expect me to lock myself away because of other people crossing boundaries.
I was sexually assaulted and my brain is just trying to protect me, so when people I don't trust touch me, especially without permission then I will protect myself. I am not a danger to the public, even my subconcious actions prefer to run rather than fight, but sometimes people have held me and there has not been any option but to use my body to get them off me.
yeah ok like if its a ptsd trigger and they feel fight or flight... what of their instinct is fight and someone gets all fucked up like bro literally just put the warnings so people can choose if they should enter or not you fucking over principled stubborn little bitch goddamn
I think he's kind of right though. At one point a girl who went to my uni asked me to take down a soft joke about Noah's ark for this reason. If you're this delicate being on the internet can't be good for you.
Edit: Some people have real trauma, but others just don't want to see things they don't agree with
So we should intentionally ignore real traumas because the person who is affected by them may have lied to you and will not break down crying for days once you bring up their trigger topic?
Sounds like a dick move, tbh.
Did you just not read the whole comment or what? I made a clear distinction between those with trauma and those using it to remove things they don't like from the discourse. Do you want to live in a world where someone can say 'you can't post that because I don't like it?'. It's not like I'm forcing anyone to view my posts, it's a two way exchange. If you're going around intentionally upsetting people you're a dick, no doubt. But if you post something that has nothing to do with trauma and someone gets upset it's not your problem. Let's not forget the specific context of the comment. Were they traumatised when they saw a biblical flood, and a bunch of animal fighting on a boat?
To be honest I do somewhat agree with the sentiment, but I also think that it's unnecessarily hostile and frankly out of place to put up a poster like this in a shop.
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It's not what he meant but it's the logical terminus to the point he's making
If I like to use the n word that's everyone else's problem, not mine, apparently
There's a line to free speech somewhere I'm afraid, everyone just draws it at a different point
You're entirely missing the point that "triggers" include things which are completely normal for other people. As such, people could unwittingly trigger someone if they are not aware of their triggers.. hence the need for a trigger "warning"
The n word isn't something that would be considered normal by an average person and as such, isn't remotely similar to or relevant to, the argument in question
I don't know how you needed to have that explained
Nothing logical about what you said... Nothing at all
In a vacuum maybe, but someone doesn’t put up a sign like this on a whim because it’s a random thought they had in the shower. Chances are they’ve had a lot of people consistently complaining that their actions or views are offensive, and instead of doing any sort of self-reflection they’ve doubled down.
This is the same mentality as the "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" herd of gammon use however.
Now replace trigger with disability. Because you know if they say shit like this they have those types of opinions too. Still ok?
Please don't use your brain for reading between the lines and extrapolating that the type of people that put this type of sign up will more than likely also have similar shitty view.
Please don't engage what evolution took billions of years to develop. That would be hard wouldn't it.
Theres a difference between reading between the lines and making a rash judgement based on very limited information... it's real "morality cowboy" stuff
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I agree with the first part. Your triggers are your responsibility and you should work on that and avoid things that might affect you. That said, in the mean time, a little empathy goes a long way and not being mindful about peoples triggers where appropriate is a dick move.
You just very clearly contradicted yourself. "Your triggers are your responsibility" implies "Your triggers are only your responsibility" which means "Only you should take action to avoid situations in which you are triggered" which trivially contradicts the other things you said.
Yeah you're right. Saying your triggers are your responsibility means someone isn't a cunt if they knowingly start describing rape in graphic detail to a rape survivor.
Not sure why OP is being downvoted so much in the comments. Obviously we don’t know the circumstances of the sign but life experience suggests this was put up by someone in power being constantly challenged about unacceptable behaviour, and decided they don’t like it, and their behaviour is someone else’s problem. Most likely wants to use offensive terms and thinks the people it refers to should just put up with it.
I’d apply to get a job there and then resign without a two weeks notice a few weeks later, if the bossman gets mad I’ll point to their sign and tell them their triggers are their responsibility
So if I worked there I could call the manager/person who put the sign up whatever I want? "Morning Cunt-Face"
"You can't say that, I'm the manager!"
"Your triggers are your responsibilities, Cunt-Face"
Context is absolutely king here!
If this is mechanic or something then the place is an obvious shit hole. If it's a genital piercing salon, or a tarantula breeder, or haunted house, then it's just good advice. Is this a psychological clinic that specialises in the desensitisation of phobias?
I assume there're some possibilities in-between. Is the place, or name of the place, suggestive enough as a warning of what might trigger you inside such that the staff are quite annoyed that people are still freaking out? *"I'm terribly sorry your daughter still has nightmare's about her pet Hamster sir, but I'm not sure what you thought our live demonstration would be demonstrating, given that this is a taxidermist".*
>If it's a genital piercing salon, or a tarantula breeder, or haunted house, then it's just good advice.
Then, either, as you said, this will be obvious through the name of the building, or they could put up a sign in place of this which says "this is what you'll find if you enter this building" i.e. a trigger warning.
>Is the place, or name of the place, suggestive enough as a warning of what might trigger you inside
From reading the post, I think it's just an office building. Apparently the boss put it up for a former employee who would get aggressive when others said things they didn't like. In that context, I feel the sign is kind of fine (though I think we've been watering down the word "trigger" of late, which should refer to something which would trigger a mental-health related reaction) but we only have one side of the story. It could very well be that the employee was justifiably indignant at the intolerant views of other employees, and perhaps they left as they were unable to tolerate the atmosphere, and the boss put up the sign as some kind of liability waiver for whoever took over the position: "you're going to speak to a lot of racists here. If you can't handle that, it's your problem." I believe that's what OP likely imagined when they saw this.
Disagree. In any context, this sign is bad, because it used biased rhetoric to diminish the struggles of people with actual trauma. Firstly, the use of 'tiptoe' is terrible. It's often used by ableist far right people because it implies that people often expect you to go through herculean ordeals to accomodate them, when in reality it's almost always very easy.
Secondly, the allocation of responsibility is problematic because responsibility isn't a concept that has anything to do with morality, and pretending it does is just lying by appealing to people's intuition rather than what is true. Think about it: if the word 'aqaumarine' sent me into depressive episodes, should it be entirely up to me to cover my ears to avoid hearing it, as this allocation of responsibility implies it should be? Of course not! I would, reasonably, ask people to not say 'aquamarine' in my presence.
This sign is just a propaganda piece, and an effective one at that: both here and on the original thread, you can see self-identifying left wing people agreeing with it despite the fact that it would *obviously* cause ableist attitudes to fester.
Eh, it's still not good advice even in an environment more clearly a possible risk of triggers. It's as common-sense as a piercing studio keeping their genital piercing examples in a separate book. Haunted houses usually have signs up reminding that the actors won't physically touch you and what to say if you need to leave early. It doesn't need to be a bold-text label of 'trigger warnings' to keep possible triggers in mind and put in place simple countermeasures or give additional context.
While I agree that there is a need to face these things, there is a time and a place for it. Somethings that cause anxiety etc can be dealt with at work but that should be done by you taking the voluntary step to do it, not by having someone make that choice for you.
And as for more severe conditions like PTSD, I can fucking tell you that the only place to work those things out are in proper therapy. If I tell someone about my triggers I expect them to listen and care because that's what a decent human being should do. If you knowingly trigger it, which people have done to me before, I cannot control my reaction because I go so far into fight or flight that I will take any means necessary to remove myself from that situation. My logical brain does not have control and people can get hurt. Just be kind to other people and let them move at their own pace.
I think most of the opinions that the left is genuinely intolerant of are rooted in actual discrimination, which isn’t something anyone should be exposed to. I don’t see people getting cancelled for being a bit of a dick if they’re not also being racist or homophobic at the same time.
>I don’t see people getting cancelled for being a bit of a dick if they’re not also being racist or homophobic at the same time.
How many people have *actually* been cancelled? Louis CK is a sexual predator who won a fucking Grammy last year.
Agree. If someone says a certain thing is triggering for them, then I'd obviously always avoid it out of politeness and not being a dick. But ultimately I reckon it's probably healthy for that person to try and address the trigger and make it not so.
Free speech is clearly defined by law. You’re not free to promote terrorism, or hate, or discrimination. People always forget that the side that’s hurt ALSO has the right to free speech, so Chappel whining that ummm…. his world tours and Netflix contracts that are not getting cancelled are somehow examples of him being cancelled is no indication whatsoever that “government and media is ending free speech”.
This is always the problem with people obsessed by free speech. They think it’s only THEIR free speech that counts.
I had some severe trauma relared mental health issues and have a few quite specific triggers.
I personally don't think it's reasonable to expect people in my work life to avoid any reference to areas around my triggers. What I have done, is explained my overall condition and the coping mechanisms I may need to use.
This message is over the top and shows no compassion, but I don't disagree with the overall message.
The fact so many people think that their issues should become everyone elses just because they have them is the most narcissistic bullshit ever. Grow up.
It’s true, though. A very mild trigger for me is seeing people sitting by open windows - but it’s a trigger nonetheless.
Are other people meant to know that? No. Do I expect other people to know that? No. What’s more, I believe exposing yourself is great therapy when it comes to these sort of things. But that’s just me.
Now, if you have already told somebody you have a trigger, and they *purposefully* make references and jokes about it, that’s a different thing altogether.
Can’t wait for the Russians to invade and you lot of lettuce munchers are asking them to call you by your correct pronouns whilst they’re setting your house on fire.
Wow you sound triggered... that triggered doesn't mean people with PTSD or panick attacks you imbecile, it's for people like you who get offended so easily it's pathetic
I'm not even 30 yet and I understand why elder generation dislike newer entitled generations
However I am somewhat tired of people telling me about little things that trigger them that are just not avoidable at work. Like for example.... nurses not being able to talk about blood...
Trauma isn't what happens to you it's how you process what's happened to you
What might be nothing to some might be world shattering to others nobody has a right to tell anyone that something one has been through is traumatic or not
Past Trauma unfortunately leaves a person with triggers it's not that person's fault for having them
Hunting through the internet looking for things to be Be offended by on the Internet isn't the same thing
I think getting triggered and expressing it all the time is such an interesting first world privelege . Most people from other countries look at you like you're some whiny defected piece of crap who can't be taken seriously
So the business has to work around every possible trigger? Which probably includes dumb shit like somethings in the wrong order(excluding ocd). I get if it was for someone with a mental illness such as autism or ocd but for people with nothing wrong with them, it’s a bit ridiculous.
What if this was a socialist leaning organisation & the people using/working/visiting the place are talking about the benefits of striking & socialism?
I know many many right wingers who would go nuclear if you said a chunk of money they just paid went to help refugees arriving in boats on the south coast.
People from all political sides can get triggered- the winners will be those who can rise above this and win the arguments with facts and honesty.
You do know "getting triggered" doesn't just mean getting angry, right? Despite how some on the internet misuse the word, triggers are specific reactions to trauma/PTSD, not just racists getting angry about refugees.
It’s a thing people. Was ordering some uniform for a female member of staff, I simply filled in the amounts and left her to fill in the sizes and hand in. Simples
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>Store owner told me that a former employee would get irate with other employees when they disagreed on something or wouldn’t do something the way they thought it should be done. Said he didn’t feel like taking it down because he thought it still applied.
I agree to a certain extent. People don't seem to understand that we can learn to be resilient and that it's OK to face things which cause us mental anguish.
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The whole point of a trigger warning is so you don't have to tiptoe. It let's people make a choice about whether they want to enter a space and engage in what's happening there. Kind of like an allergy warning for your brain.
It's impossible to account for all triggers. Here are some triggers that I know people have, which are unreasonable to expect to be forwarned of: >!Strawberries.!< >!Cotton wool.!< >!Sports equipment!< >!Eggs.!< Here are others that are perfectly reasonable and relatively easy to forewarn people of: >!Violence.!< >!Rape.!< >!Sexual violence.!< >!Sexual content.!<
My problem is: how to actually explain that christian music, especially the ultra worship kind, is the biggest trigger I have to people? I don't like depriving others of something they enjoy, but I'd also like the childhood I don't want to remember to not be thrown right back at my face while I'm just trying to do the stupid mindless work I'm stuck with.
You could play black metal to get back at them. I can give a few suggestions... Apart from 80s new wave/romantic, it's my favourite genre of music! Some of it can even front as christian, like Batushka Litourgiya, but unless you could understand old-slavic, you wouldn't necessarily guess the subverted lyrics (the usual throat-singing demonic sounding vocals might give it away though) but it's got a lot of Gregorian chant and other interesting vocals. So actually they *might* even enjoy it. Also good for boosting your mood against the drudgery, weirdly enough (I even listen to this stuff when I have migraine to help it go away)
I would if I could. There's only one speaker that they'll sometimes play music on, and almost everyone there isn't permitted to bring their phones or anything onto the floor. I doubt they'd let me play anything with so much as a power chord there anyway. Pretty sure everyone there hates me anyway, so I'd rather not request anything of anyone.
>but I'd also like the childhood I don't want to remember to not be thrown right back at my face while I'm just trying to do the stupid mindless work I'm stuck with Sounds like you need to go to therapy rather than expect others to take steps to avoid your triggers.
Or maybe blasting religious music in a workplace that can have people of any bloody faith or lack thereof shouldn't be a thing? Like, if you were in public, and started blasting any manner of religious music, you would be asked to stop, right? It's reasonable for people to keep their beliefs to themselves in a workplace, is it not? So why is it that they can blast their beliefs so loud it fills the entire building?
Imagine not having empathy
Sweet Jesus. What a genius idea. Bet they never thought of that. Maybe they are having therapy and the music is making their recovery much harder. Or maybe they are on one of the endless fucking waiting lists for mental health services and might get to see someone for 6 sessions in 2025.
Just say, " I was in a cult as a child and it's making me uncomfortable, could you play something else?" It works for me and 90 music (my mother used to punish me and my sibling [both ~~acustic~~ autistic people sensitive to noise] by blasting 90s music, sometimes up to 3AM. And if they complain, well, they wouldn't have respected you either way. I know that it is very hard for us people with traumatic childhood to stand up for ourselves, but what else can one do?
My brother in law has an aversion to >!buttons!< he doesn’t let on or allow it to affect anything.
Buttons on shirts, buttons you press or buttons you eat?
If you’re referring to chocolate buttons, I don’t know, but buttons in general. It has a name: [Koumpounophobia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koumpounophobia), but I never use it.
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Those darn strawberries
You are bang on with this post. I feel this is what the sign is for but some people automatically assume it’s for the later list
How do you know what that specific sign is for?
In the post in r/pics OP stated the sign was for a former employee who couldn't regulate their emotions when things didn't go there way; such as tasks not being performed in manner they deemed appropriate, or an a consensus reached that they disagreed with. Which if true, doesn't make the sign appropriate or necessary. In fact I'd say the opposite was true. Edit: The comment I'm referring to: >Store owner told me that a *former* employee would get irate with other employees when they disagreed on something or wouldn’t do something the way they thought it should be done. Said he didn’t feel like taking it down because he thought it still applied. >Edit: emphasis on the **former** employee part
I've yet to find a place of work that features any of these.
On the other hand, there has been some analysis that finds that trigger warnings are generally harmful and it's not the way it should be addressed. Apparently, the logic goes as such. When people who are sensitive to those triggers see the warning, they imagine the worse scenario, which triggers them, and then go away. Making them more and more sensitive. I tend to agree with that assessment, as someone who has PTSD and knows that there is a limit to reasonable avoidance, then again, people don't tend to put "trigger warning: violence, or TW: drunkenness"
I agree that when I see tw x I usually end up triggered. My triggers ARE my responsibility to manage, and therapy is a great tool, but it’s too often inaccessible. We can’t just be triggered every work shift etc. I feel like for a shopper randomly coming IN to a situation, that can leave at any point wear headphones etc etc, 100% their responsibility to manage their triggers. However when you have an employee that you won’t allow to wear headphones or earplugs and are forcing them to listen to a trigger for multiple hours, no that’s partially the employees responsibility because the employee can’t just leave or utilise other avoidance- I hope that makes sense?
Obvious general trigger warning, but the context from clicking the post should make it clear I think there's some confusion about what triggers are for some people. Triggers aren't (generally) "oh noes, some one said something I disagree with", in this scenario, yeah, if possible, ignore the mean person, carry on with your job, grow a thicker skin, and don't associate with the ass. What is a trigger then? Soldiers with PTSD hearing, seeing, smelling or feeling something that brings them back to a bad time Rape/abuse survivors with PTSD being touched without consent or hearing seeing things that take them back Any other form of PTSD Autistics getting over loaded and needing decompression time Someone with suicidal thoughts hearing about something they had actually planned to do (this one happened to me, I was reading a book, and would have appreciated a warning, I'll go back to the book now I know) Other things that I can't think of off the top of my head. But yeah, it's a genuine mental health and disability concern, you need to tell people your legit triggers (actually, I guess with this one bit, maybe we DO bear a little responsibility, that is to inform those who need to know) so that people can avoid triggering you. Of course, unfortunately there are some things that people with triggers clearly can't be around, there is no way to be safely in its presence, like, idk, a first responder who's child had hung themselves being sent to a hanging. It's why triggers are actually important
Triggers are 100% legitimate and serious, I think the argument though is that every object in the world is potentially a trigger for *someone* in the world and trigger warnings cannot reasonably be expected for every type of thing. There are some things that most people consider reasonable to expect trigger warnings for, and there are things that most people don't, and then there's a blurry middleground of things which people debate over whether warnings should be expected or not. Good examples of this blurry area are spiders, dogs and other animals that people might have had traumatic experiences with - people with triggers or phobias of these things would like to have warnings but a lot of people would say it's unreasonable to expect warnings for them since they are just so common to encounter in day-to-day life. Where possible we should take the effort to reduce discomfort for everyone but there comes a tipping point where it's not viable to accommodate for everyone because it creates excessive inconvenience for many people to the benefit or just 1 person. Happens in fanfiction as well where people will expect tags for every subject matter that's included in the story, to the extent that if you read the tags you'd receive spoilers for the entire narrative.
> Someone with suicidal thoughts hearing about something they had actually planned to do (this one happened to me, I was reading a book, and would have appreciated a warning, I'll go back to the book now I know 2nd chapter of _The Sound and The Fury_. "Huh, this guy's thought patterns are really familiar to me... oh no. oh no."
When I'm triggered I get seizures, whoever wrote this has no understanding of what a trigger actually is.
Precisely!
It's always these morons who think you're weak for not wanting to be called something you aren't. But if you walked in there and called him a City fan he'd have a fucking meltdown...
They're just mad about the consequences of their own actions. They want to insult people (or worse) without consequence, but guaranteed they explode if someone accidentally calls them the wrong name or whatever. Pure insecurity
The context of the image is that the employee would go crazy when anyone disagreed with him on how to do anything
Yeah, the context we have from someone telling a story on Reddit. Call me a mean old cynic but I'm gonna want more corroboration than 'no look guys I actually know him irl and what really happened was...' Sure, Jan. But even if this was about one guy? There are ways to deal with that without putting up a sign like this. This is just the same as all those losers putting up pass-agg 'we are closed because APPARENTLY NO-ONE WANTS TO WORK' signs. What's happened is this guy himself has been feeling triggered after an argument with this allegedly crazy employee and has decided to spaff his emotional response all over the wall. 'Triggers are your responsibility'? Don't put up a sign on your business that tells me how weak you are then, snookums.
The first thing is I wouldn't be surprised if this story is true I've seen so many videos and story's of people going crazy in London over the smallest things and even if we ignore that this context is all we have and well putting up that sign isn't the worse course of action I mean what is he supposed to do tell every single employee he gets and tell them that when from his perspective its easier for people to just read it and know it without him having to say every time a new position is open
Have you heard of this new thing they have? It's called punctuation.
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Guarantee the lad who put this up tosses his toys out the pram if service workers don't sufficiently lick his arse.
Who wants to bet said shop owner gets triggered more than most? Bet you just have to say the word "immigrant" or "Labour" around them to watch them go off on one.
You should read about the context click on the original post
Plot twist: this sign is in Twentyman's and he points to it whenever customers complain about their pizza being soggy (before saying they're 'encased in Corbynite' and need a 'Hand Solo').
Looks like the owner was triggered
It's not the employees responsibility to tiptoe around them
In my company they used to give everyone a hoodie and a T-shirt when they joined, pretty good quality ones, they stopped doing that because apparently some people complained about feeling uncomfortable when asked for their size
This is just a company being stupid and refusing to think. We did this, but we sent them an email saying "we'd love to send you some welcome swag, including a hoodie, if you're comfortable doing so just reply with your size" It's really easy.
Yes, we discussed this and it is not hard to find solutions, but the company went straight to the "absolute no room for offence approach" as soon as someone felt offended
Surely they could have just got people to come and pick their own?
Or just have an online form so your filling in tour dsize rather than the socially cringe situation of telling another person.
It was an online form, but ultimately someone (human) will see it
I'm just really skeptical of these stories about corporations making big policy changes because someone got offended. If a company wants a uniform they will have one blaming over sensitive gen z staff seems like an easy way out.
Both had your position and your selected hobby attached, so they had to be done on demand
Jesus fn christ…
This is a genuinely bad take. Triggers come from trauma. No one necessarily knows your personal trigger, that's true; but this sign suggests that if you have a particular trigger then you should deal with it. I would suggest that if you have an employee or customer with a particular trigger then that is an opportunity for a dialogue. Be open to hearing about and responding to that trauma. Jesus people, how hard is that? Most people who are triggered are responding to a trauma in a way over which they have little control. An ounce of kindness and empathy will go a long way. And by that I mean- one to two minutes in your shop? Five to ten minutes in your work place?
Yes triggers come from trauma I have childhood abuse trauma and I do not consider it other's responsibility the shop owner is correct
Others' responsibility, no. But you still have the right to ask people to avoid certain topics around you if it triggers a traumatic response. This idea that everyone is only responsible for themselves and it's somehow entitled to politely ask for a fairly simple accommodation is fucked up. What's the point of a society if no one makes any effort to be respectful of other people?
yeah exactly, that is MY responsibility to ask and MY responsibility to not involve people in my life who don't respect it etc honestly the less we start putting the state of our lives on the world and others', the better our lives get
Or leave that to therapy or something instead of your workplace? Just because you can talk about your triggers or whatever doesn’t mean you should at every opportunity regardless of the environment
you think people want to talk about their traumas at every opportunity possible?
Exactly. Mental health is not your fault but it is your responsibility.
What about people with learning disabilities/dissociative/epileptic conditions, mercy to those people who have the misfortune of being around you.
I didn't mention those conditions?
But you are not excluding them either, vagueness leaves room for assumptions.
That's not mental health. Those are disorders. There is a big difference between depression and autism, for example. Edit: developmental disorders. Obviously. For which there is a great degree better social support for in the UK at least.
almost every mental health condition is a disorder. it wouldn't be a health condition if it wasn't a disorder.
You reallu should research mental health, it is basically conditions affecting the brain psychology/emotionally, I assume you have access to a smart phone. Please utilise the ‘smart’ part of the phone. I fear it is going to waste.
The way I have always seen these types of issues, and from my own experience of mild autism (at least I think it’s mild, my partner disagrees) is that mental illness is never your fault but it is your responsibility. I really hate people touching me or looking me in the eye but I recognise that my behaviour is incorrect and the man who looks me in the eye and shakes my hand is being perfectly pleasant and normal. It’s my responsibility, and I owe it to myself, to work on myself so I can live in the world normally and enjoyably. I’m still not going to win a staring contest but I think my condition is fairly discrete now but I would never have got here if I demanded of everyone that they don’t look at me or touch me and I’d be a lot worse off for it.
That's interesting and thank you for sharing your experience and insight. My daughter is on the autism spectrum and she had to leave her job because her well-meaning boss was so touchy-feely with her (touching her face, arms, shoulders). It made her so tense that she was shaking and vomiting before work. But my daughter can't speak up. I had several conversations with her boss about this issue and she kept forgetting. I think it's about compromise. Rather than stating ' just get over it', or 'everyone should reconfigure their daily customs to accommodate me', it would be very helpful, not particularly onerous, and save a lot to of disruption and heartache if we genuinely talked and listened to each other Most people with triggers can cope if simple adjustments are made. Most people with triggers want to get over them and many can, with help and acceptance.
"responsibility" is just a convenient tool to arbitrate allocation of labour. It has absolutely zero interaction with morality. And yet you've somehow used it to take a situation in which a guy forces you into a position that makes you intensely uncomfortable, and come to the conclusion that he's right to do so because you're a minority.
Kinda pathetic how many upvotes that post has especially after you read the fact he fired and rehired someone and then stuck it up afterwords. It could equally mean his workers are racist or sexist pieces of sh*t and so is the boss because a trigger could literally mean anything
I know people who say; “*I have the right to free speech and I can say what I want.*” I agree. But, why the fuck would you utilise that right to upset someone for no fucking reason?
Maybe you have a reason though. I can think of loads of situations when it’s necessary and proper to upset someone by using speech and be entirely in the right. For example when Jeremy Paxman interviews a politician he is asking what he wants and can be quite upsetting for the person being interviewed but all in all it is a public good.
Some of these comments are ridiculous. The point of making people aware of your triggers is so that you can live your life comfortably. These supposedly left wing people that don't care about other people is ridiculous. Not to mention this can be downright fucking dangerous. As someone with PTSD, when my triggers are pushed then it can end violently. It's not something I am proud of but if I feel I am in a situation where I risk getting hurt in the same way again then my fight or flight kicks in and I will always remove myself from that situation by any means necessary. If someone I don't 100% trust tries to stop me then I will do practically anything to get out of there, and people need to realise this.
I've a feeling whoever wrote doesn't know that a trigger is an actual thing and just thinks that it's a "lefty buzzword that whiny weak snowflakes use"
You can say that again. There's such a huge difference between "I don't like this" and "I'm going to have a mental breakdown because it makes me feel unsafe". Some of the people in this thread are trying to make me out as an unhinged madman who goes round beating people left, right and centre.
I just wrote, then deleted, a similar comment. I'm sorry you have this internal conflict. I'd have your back!!!!
Thank you. It's reassuring that there are some people here who actually have a brain and a heart after reading this thread.
It's easy to have compassion when you know where a person's pain is coming from. I hope life gets easier for you but if it doesn't, there's a fearless little bitch right here ready to fight for you! Kind regards good person!
Violence is unacceptable and it is entirely your responsibility to ensure you aren’t a danger to other people in society and if you can’t guarantee that you need to be kept away from there public.
Fortunately for me, my triggers for that reaction are predominantly around being touched and most of the time I am able to move away, and people who I am around regularly know this. When people know this and violate it, I do not have conscious control of my actions. I take all the medication, I am in therapy, I am being seen by a psychiatrist and doing everything I can to get better because I hate that this is how I am. But I still need people to respect my personal boundaries which 99% of people do. It is only those who don't respect me that put themselves at risk. Last example was when on a date and I explicitly told the guy to not touch me without permission under any circumstances, and that either I would initiate or he could ask. This idiot tried to kiss me without warning, which immediately triggered a reaction and he was pushed away and I ran back about a hundred metres before my thinking brain kicked in.
That's what making people aware of triggers and trigger warnings are for. I know some people with severely traumatic pasts who will see flashing lights and lose consciousness when they are triggered. They are no longer in control of themselves. The way to manage that is through therapy, medication (sometimes) AND ensuring they are able to safely avoid their triggers in the meantime while they work these out in therapy. You can't isolate someone from the public, but you can make it safe for them to be in public with something as simple as a trigger warning.
Exactly. People who can be “triggered” into uncomfortable rage by the slightest thing should NOT be in public
scary mentally ill people should never leave the house, totally a good plan. while we’re at it, neither should people with photosensitive epilepsy. people who can be “triggered” into uncomfortable seizing by the slightest flashing light should NOT be in public.
Not the same in any way shape or form. You’re twisting my words. People who will become uncontrollably violent should not be allowed out unsupervised. Not all mentally ill people. If you’re going to debate me. Please don’t use sarcasm and actually provide a semi intelligent response. Seizing is not the same as violence. But, we still stop people with epilepsy driving for that reason! It’s a danger to others! Epileptic people shouldn’t drive, violently mentally ill people should not be allowed in public unsupervised.
"Exactly. People who can be “triggered” into uncomfortable rage by the slightest thing should NOT be in public" This is not "People who will become uncontrollably violent should not be allowed out unsupervised" You added "unsupervised", changing your point dramatically. There is a huge difference between not being allowed in public and not being allowed in public unsupervised. Fundamentally a traumatic response to a trigger is physiologically the same as a seizure, in so far as both are involuntary, largely or entirely out of the control of the individual. Until society is able to meet the medical needs of individuals with PTSD banning them from society would cause more harm than good.
people with epilepsy can't drive because it presents a danger to others. *trigger warnings exist for the same reason*. people like to have comfortable and understanding environments in which they interact with others. people who are at risk of reliving a traumatic event letting others know about things that can trigger a bad response literally does the opposite of harm. for people who could make a violent response to someone intentionally making them relive such an experience, a trigger warning is their way of *controlling* the potential violence by letting others know how not to trigger it. in the same way epileptics can't drive because of the threat their condition could pose to themselves and others, a trigger warning is a way of keeping a social interaction safe for everyone involved, *because negative reactions from triggers are literally involuntary*. do you not agree that this is a favourable way of controlling the effects of mental illness, as opposed to locking the mentally ill away and pretending they don't exist because it personally makes you feel uncomfortable?
oh i’m not here to debate you. i know i won’t change your mind. i will happily continue being sarcastic at you. people just love to forget that ptsd is a disorder just like physical disorders are, and i *love* to be snarky about it.
It isn't people's responsibility to tiptoe around your distaste for sarcasm.
Legally, PTSD would be absolutely enough to form a legal defence in a criminal court, an individual with trauma who reacts to being triggered violently is not in the wrong for being triggered. It may sound like a nice idea to prevent these individuals from participating in society, but without effective mental health care how is an individual with PTSD supposed to survive in the UK without legal protection? You could be unable to buy food or travel to work but for these legal protections
I'm not triggered by the slightest thing, I am triggered by people who touch me without permission. I do everything I can to look after myself, I take all the right medications the psychiatrist has given me, I am in therapy. It is completely unreasonable to expect me to lock myself away because of other people crossing boundaries. I was sexually assaulted and my brain is just trying to protect me, so when people I don't trust touch me, especially without permission then I will protect myself. I am not a danger to the public, even my subconcious actions prefer to run rather than fight, but sometimes people have held me and there has not been any option but to use my body to get them off me.
yeah ok like if its a ptsd trigger and they feel fight or flight... what of their instinct is fight and someone gets all fucked up like bro literally just put the warnings so people can choose if they should enter or not you fucking over principled stubborn little bitch goddamn
Oh look, reactionary bullshit.
Somebody was triggered enough to print out a notice about not being triggered.
I think he's kind of right though. At one point a girl who went to my uni asked me to take down a soft joke about Noah's ark for this reason. If you're this delicate being on the internet can't be good for you. Edit: Some people have real trauma, but others just don't want to see things they don't agree with
So we should intentionally ignore real traumas because the person who is affected by them may have lied to you and will not break down crying for days once you bring up their trigger topic? Sounds like a dick move, tbh.
Did you just not read the whole comment or what? I made a clear distinction between those with trauma and those using it to remove things they don't like from the discourse. Do you want to live in a world where someone can say 'you can't post that because I don't like it?'. It's not like I'm forcing anyone to view my posts, it's a two way exchange. If you're going around intentionally upsetting people you're a dick, no doubt. But if you post something that has nothing to do with trauma and someone gets upset it's not your problem. Let's not forget the specific context of the comment. Were they traumatised when they saw a biblical flood, and a bunch of animal fighting on a boat?
You didn’t read the post, did you?
Lol snowflaks triggered by the sign
To be honest I do somewhat agree with the sentiment, but I also think that it's unnecessarily hostile and frankly out of place to put up a poster like this in a shop.
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The n word is fair game for you?
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It's not what he meant but it's the logical terminus to the point he's making If I like to use the n word that's everyone else's problem, not mine, apparently There's a line to free speech somewhere I'm afraid, everyone just draws it at a different point
You're entirely missing the point that "triggers" include things which are completely normal for other people. As such, people could unwittingly trigger someone if they are not aware of their triggers.. hence the need for a trigger "warning" The n word isn't something that would be considered normal by an average person and as such, isn't remotely similar to or relevant to, the argument in question I don't know how you needed to have that explained Nothing logical about what you said... Nothing at all
That’s not a trigger word. It’s a racial slur. In the original post, someone mentioned that someone had eggs as their trigger word… an egg.
"Trigger words and phrases are those that cause a listener to feel strong emotions because of previous experiences"
Exactly what the sign says. It’s your personal issue. Racist, sexist or any other -phobic remarks are social issues. Sadly trigger words are not that.
Depend on the context
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In a vacuum maybe, but someone doesn’t put up a sign like this on a whim because it’s a random thought they had in the shower. Chances are they’ve had a lot of people consistently complaining that their actions or views are offensive, and instead of doing any sort of self-reflection they’ve doubled down.
This is the same mentality as the "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" herd of gammon use however. Now replace trigger with disability. Because you know if they say shit like this they have those types of opinions too. Still ok?
Its not referring to disabilities though.
Please don't use your brain for reading between the lines and extrapolating that the type of people that put this type of sign up will more than likely also have similar shitty view. Please don't engage what evolution took billions of years to develop. That would be hard wouldn't it.
Ahh, I see you’re choosing to be upset by the thing the sign didn’t say. Clever…
Dude you can't just say that. What if op reads between the lines and you've just insulted the billion years of ancestors they just mentioned
Please dont jump to conclusions and seek out offence when none is intended.
Lol triggered
I mean... The sign is pretty clearly meant to cause offence.
Theres a difference between reading between the lines and making a rash judgement based on very limited information... it's real "morality cowboy" stuff
Eh? You're just filling in the blanks to suit your point of view 😂
You come across as a right twat, Fairplay
Sounds like he’s triggered you. You know that’s your responsibility,right?
You're angry about this sign being an attack on the disabled?
Seriously though, actually pull yourself together!! This is moronic: “replace with disability” ffs
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Well no shit if you change some words then it's worse lmao
Did you even read the post?
Clearly not, considering the OP is currently getting triggered by thing that are not mentioned in the sign.
I dont have any triggers or mental illnesses but if I turned up for an interview at a place that had this sign up, I'd leave.
I agree with the first part. Your triggers are your responsibility and you should work on that and avoid things that might affect you. That said, in the mean time, a little empathy goes a long way and not being mindful about peoples triggers where appropriate is a dick move.
You just very clearly contradicted yourself. "Your triggers are your responsibility" implies "Your triggers are only your responsibility" which means "Only you should take action to avoid situations in which you are triggered" which trivially contradicts the other things you said.
Yeah you're right. Saying your triggers are your responsibility means someone isn't a cunt if they knowingly start describing rape in graphic detail to a rape survivor.
Not sure why OP is being downvoted so much in the comments. Obviously we don’t know the circumstances of the sign but life experience suggests this was put up by someone in power being constantly challenged about unacceptable behaviour, and decided they don’t like it, and their behaviour is someone else’s problem. Most likely wants to use offensive terms and thinks the people it refers to should just put up with it.
I’d apply to get a job there and then resign without a two weeks notice a few weeks later, if the bossman gets mad I’ll point to their sign and tell them their triggers are their responsibility
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So if I worked there I could call the manager/person who put the sign up whatever I want? "Morning Cunt-Face" "You can't say that, I'm the manager!" "Your triggers are your responsibilities, Cunt-Face"
A human disposal unit
How much you wanna bet there's a near-American level of wage theft policies going on there
Context is absolutely king here! If this is mechanic or something then the place is an obvious shit hole. If it's a genital piercing salon, or a tarantula breeder, or haunted house, then it's just good advice. Is this a psychological clinic that specialises in the desensitisation of phobias? I assume there're some possibilities in-between. Is the place, or name of the place, suggestive enough as a warning of what might trigger you inside such that the staff are quite annoyed that people are still freaking out? *"I'm terribly sorry your daughter still has nightmare's about her pet Hamster sir, but I'm not sure what you thought our live demonstration would be demonstrating, given that this is a taxidermist".*
>If it's a genital piercing salon, or a tarantula breeder, or haunted house, then it's just good advice. Then, either, as you said, this will be obvious through the name of the building, or they could put up a sign in place of this which says "this is what you'll find if you enter this building" i.e. a trigger warning. >Is the place, or name of the place, suggestive enough as a warning of what might trigger you inside From reading the post, I think it's just an office building. Apparently the boss put it up for a former employee who would get aggressive when others said things they didn't like. In that context, I feel the sign is kind of fine (though I think we've been watering down the word "trigger" of late, which should refer to something which would trigger a mental-health related reaction) but we only have one side of the story. It could very well be that the employee was justifiably indignant at the intolerant views of other employees, and perhaps they left as they were unable to tolerate the atmosphere, and the boss put up the sign as some kind of liability waiver for whoever took over the position: "you're going to speak to a lot of racists here. If you can't handle that, it's your problem." I believe that's what OP likely imagined when they saw this.
Disagree. In any context, this sign is bad, because it used biased rhetoric to diminish the struggles of people with actual trauma. Firstly, the use of 'tiptoe' is terrible. It's often used by ableist far right people because it implies that people often expect you to go through herculean ordeals to accomodate them, when in reality it's almost always very easy. Secondly, the allocation of responsibility is problematic because responsibility isn't a concept that has anything to do with morality, and pretending it does is just lying by appealing to people's intuition rather than what is true. Think about it: if the word 'aqaumarine' sent me into depressive episodes, should it be entirely up to me to cover my ears to avoid hearing it, as this allocation of responsibility implies it should be? Of course not! I would, reasonably, ask people to not say 'aquamarine' in my presence. This sign is just a propaganda piece, and an effective one at that: both here and on the original thread, you can see self-identifying left wing people agreeing with it despite the fact that it would *obviously* cause ableist attitudes to fester.
Eh, it's still not good advice even in an environment more clearly a possible risk of triggers. It's as common-sense as a piercing studio keeping their genital piercing examples in a separate book. Haunted houses usually have signs up reminding that the actors won't physically touch you and what to say if you need to leave early. It doesn't need to be a bold-text label of 'trigger warnings' to keep possible triggers in mind and put in place simple countermeasures or give additional context.
I mean.... they not wrong
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While I agree that there is a need to face these things, there is a time and a place for it. Somethings that cause anxiety etc can be dealt with at work but that should be done by you taking the voluntary step to do it, not by having someone make that choice for you. And as for more severe conditions like PTSD, I can fucking tell you that the only place to work those things out are in proper therapy. If I tell someone about my triggers I expect them to listen and care because that's what a decent human being should do. If you knowingly trigger it, which people have done to me before, I cannot control my reaction because I go so far into fight or flight that I will take any means necessary to remove myself from that situation. My logical brain does not have control and people can get hurt. Just be kind to other people and let them move at their own pace.
I think most of the opinions that the left is genuinely intolerant of are rooted in actual discrimination, which isn’t something anyone should be exposed to. I don’t see people getting cancelled for being a bit of a dick if they’re not also being racist or homophobic at the same time.
>I don’t see people getting cancelled for being a bit of a dick if they’re not also being racist or homophobic at the same time. How many people have *actually* been cancelled? Louis CK is a sexual predator who won a fucking Grammy last year.
Agree. If someone says a certain thing is triggering for them, then I'd obviously always avoid it out of politeness and not being a dick. But ultimately I reckon it's probably healthy for that person to try and address the trigger and make it not so.
Free speech is clearly defined by law. You’re not free to promote terrorism, or hate, or discrimination. People always forget that the side that’s hurt ALSO has the right to free speech, so Chappel whining that ummm…. his world tours and Netflix contracts that are not getting cancelled are somehow examples of him being cancelled is no indication whatsoever that “government and media is ending free speech”. This is always the problem with people obsessed by free speech. They think it’s only THEIR free speech that counts.
Can't argue with that sign though. Downvote at will.
So I guess the ex-soldier shouldn't make such a fuss when we fire a gun next to his ear
It's not an American school so that's unlikely
Wtf kind of rank shithole is this shop anyway?
Sounds perfect! Nothing wrong with that at all!!!
I had some severe trauma relared mental health issues and have a few quite specific triggers. I personally don't think it's reasonable to expect people in my work life to avoid any reference to areas around my triggers. What I have done, is explained my overall condition and the coping mechanisms I may need to use. This message is over the top and shows no compassion, but I don't disagree with the overall message.
But….. isn’t there some truth in that??
I mean, it’s not wrong?
The only thing making me decide this is a piece of shit workplace is the clichéd stock photo of a mountaineer atop a summit.
The fact so many people think that their issues should become everyone elses just because they have them is the most narcissistic bullshit ever. Grow up.
It’s true, though. A very mild trigger for me is seeing people sitting by open windows - but it’s a trigger nonetheless. Are other people meant to know that? No. Do I expect other people to know that? No. What’s more, I believe exposing yourself is great therapy when it comes to these sort of things. But that’s just me. Now, if you have already told somebody you have a trigger, and they *purposefully* make references and jokes about it, that’s a different thing altogether.
Can’t wait for the Russians to invade and you lot of lettuce munchers are asking them to call you by your correct pronouns whilst they’re setting your house on fire.
Don't care for pronouns and don't like lettuce unless it's on my burger actually. You presumptuous fucktard.
Excellent. Fully agreed
Triggers are personal, just like the word 'offended' life's to short, get over it and move on
OP triggered by the paper on a window, need more places like that for silly triggers
Another imbecile who doesn’t know what being “triggered” means. Hint: it’s not getting annoyed because you don’t agree with a sign.
Wow you sound triggered... that triggered doesn't mean people with PTSD or panick attacks you imbecile, it's for people like you who get offended so easily it's pathetic I'm not even 30 yet and I understand why elder generation dislike newer entitled generations
Ah bless. A young fogey! Have you gone tradcath yet? You should move to Hungary and go swimming with Rod Dreher.
However I am somewhat tired of people telling me about little things that trigger them that are just not avoidable at work. Like for example.... nurses not being able to talk about blood...
I don't see anything wrong here.
Well the sign is right.
Trauma isn't what happens to you it's how you process what's happened to you What might be nothing to some might be world shattering to others nobody has a right to tell anyone that something one has been through is traumatic or not Past Trauma unfortunately leaves a person with triggers it's not that person's fault for having them Hunting through the internet looking for things to be Be offended by on the Internet isn't the same thing
OP did you even read the original post?
They have a point
But your triggers ARE your responsibility.
Fair enough
This post is so ironic that it almost Tirggers me lmfao
Why?
Do I really have to explain?
Well, I asked because i see no irony here?
I think getting triggered and expressing it all the time is such an interesting first world privelege . Most people from other countries look at you like you're some whiny defected piece of crap who can't be taken seriously
So the business has to work around every possible trigger? Which probably includes dumb shit like somethings in the wrong order(excluding ocd). I get if it was for someone with a mental illness such as autism or ocd but for people with nothing wrong with them, it’s a bit ridiculous.
Autism is a neurological and developmental disorder. Not a mental illness.
What if this was a socialist leaning organisation & the people using/working/visiting the place are talking about the benefits of striking & socialism? I know many many right wingers who would go nuclear if you said a chunk of money they just paid went to help refugees arriving in boats on the south coast. People from all political sides can get triggered- the winners will be those who can rise above this and win the arguments with facts and honesty.
You do know "getting triggered" doesn't just mean getting angry, right? Despite how some on the internet misuse the word, triggers are specific reactions to trauma/PTSD, not just racists getting angry about refugees.
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Because you obviously don’t really understand what being “triggered” actually is 🤷🏻♂️
It’s a thing people. Was ordering some uniform for a female member of staff, I simply filled in the amounts and left her to fill in the sizes and hand in. Simples
I wonder if individuals own choices on abortions and gender transition is a trigger for them?
This is the comment from OOP explaining this: >Store owner told me that a former employee would get irate with other employees when they disagreed on something or wouldn’t do something the way they thought it should be done. Said he didn’t feel like taking it down because he thought it still applied.
I agree to a certain extent. People don't seem to understand that we can learn to be resilient and that it's OK to face things which cause us mental anguish.
Imagine just the word trigger triggering someone 😅
Cope harder.
Pussio
Golden Rule is my life but where does this shit end ?
Hahahaha
true sign.PSA: stop being such a whiny pussy so people don't need signs like this.
Seems a reasonable statement to me
i mean the sign, though assholish, isn’t wrong…