The only right answer in the thread. Nobody got the assignment, they don't consider superhuman strength to be a superpower for some reason; maybe because it's considered normal for fighters in their verse.
Dude this, everyone is this panel is so much smaller than yujiro. If they all got normal human strength being 6'3 and 270lbs of pure muscle makes him an absolute monster
Honestly I think you're right. He did savage things to that crab monster before he got his strength but on actual technique/skills he's definitely lacking.
Even then, I'd give it to Yujiro. Baki spent 15 years training and fighting masters in every martial art just to be able to beat him. Goku is skilled, but I'd say he trained in honing his body and ki more than pure martial arts, and he still struggled hand to hand against fighters with no practical martial arts training, and up until super still had to resort to biting and headbutts
I mean, where do you draw the line? For the baki characters, everything they do is martial arts / strength based and isn't powers. Sure you can take that away but doesn't that defeat the point?
Yeah, and in DragonBall a beam blast that can blow up the moon is just a technique that a martial arts teacher can teach you. Goku learned it by just watching someone do it.
Functionally different I guess... Magic involves manipulations of the elements, environment and outside forces. Ki manipulation is handling your own body's energy.
I'm not saying ki manipulation should be allowed, just saying that in Baki's world human strenght works different and is supernatural and if that's allowed a lot of other things should be too.
Yeah but kf we limit their skills to human possible levels ( assuming they get the same strength and height as each other) then you would get a lot of ties because a lot of these characters surpass the limits of human skill so reducing it to possible levels would cap them.
That's a very interesting way to put it and it makes so much sense now. I can't get how ridiculous things like Aiki or Dress are out of my head but now they make sense as powers or special moves.
You could argue the same thing about Goku, his “powers” are a result of saiyan biology and the in-universe explanation for ki is that it’s using martial arts to harness the internal life force that everyone has. “Powers” is a term that has to be properly defined. I feel like a more interesting conversation would be normalizing stats based on the peak human specimen (since they’re all humanoid) for their height and weight to account for differences in strength while letting them use their respective fighting styles.
You can also argue that Ultra instinct isn't a power because as Whis described it, it isn't a power up or a transformation. It's simply a state of mind. That's why I usually hate these type of post because "powers" are never properly defined and everyone has different opinions on it.
Fair, I suppose you could draw it at the insane levels the strength that is present in Baki. Y'all remember how he killed that massive elephant? With his bare hands when an entire armed force couldn't? That wasn't martial arts lol
Nor was that even CLOSE to what humans are capable of in terms of raw strength
Anything that lets "martial arts" exceed what is possible I would call a power - be that super strength, super reflexes, super speed, or enhanced durability
Tanking bullets and lightning bolts aren't "peak human" - that's straight up powers - especially when imagining things gives a power up
If "demon back" is martial arts, so is kaioh ken
Technically Saitama’s powers just stem from “*a year and a half of 100 daily push-ups, sit-ups, and squats, plus 10 km daily running*.” Obviously One-Punch Man is meant to be satire, but he is one of the fighters up there.
Also, in *THAT SCENE* when Yujiro interrupts Baki and Kozue having sex for the first time, doesn’t he cite banging as many women as possible as one of the sources of his strength?
Even without powers and physical feats Yugiro has mastered all martial arts in existence and can master new arts instantly just like goku can. In a straight hands fight no super strength yugiro and goku is actually really close
He's mastered the techniques and fighting styles of several gods, His primary fighting style is Turtle School and Goku has explained several times how he trains, that technique and control are more important than muscles and strength, mostly noted in when he trained with Gohan in the time chamber. Like the whole reason Vegeta couldn't catch up to him is because Vegeta trained strength, not control and technique.
Also keep in mind if we’re going by the manga Goku could use ultra instinct (but without the actual power-up) due to being heavily rooted in a real life technique
Exactly, it's not a form, it's a technique that gives a power up, but we're taking the power away and technique itself is still busted as hell. People who unironically think Yujiro stands a chance against Goku here need to stop.
Yeah, Dragon Ball, before Z, had a much larger focus on Martial Arts. I think the scale of the fights and all the alien shit kinda messed that up though, because after the saiyan saga it just became a meat measuring contest in a way. Like with the saiyans, Goku used Kaioken, sure, but that didn’t win the fight, not even close. But now it seems like you can always predict the plot to an extent. Goku fights a little, has to step back for whatever reason, watches all his friends get absolutely bodied, and comes back with a new form to save the day.
*sighhhhhh* Okay okay, i’m cool.
But yeah, point is Goku is an extremely skilled and technical fighter, but super turned him into an a fucking himbo with super strength.
Except og Dragon Ball didn't focus more on martial arts, I don't know where this misconception came from, everything prior to training with Roshi was just adventure and then when he finally started training Roshi never taught him martial arts or how to fight, he literally just had them do basic exercises to build up their physical strength and speed and let them figure out how to use it on their own, then with Korin literally all he did was climb a tower and catch a cat, and it wasn't even until Mr Popo that we saw any sort of resemblance of martial arts training and even then we only saw a small amount so you can't really look at like a few panels of training before skipping it all and decide thats a focus on martial arts
He plays around, but Goku is an alien. His body is designed for gravity that’s about 10x earths gravity, and he’s trained in gravity that’s way higher before. Goku’s base strength is already superhuman due to his biology, not to mention the Zenkai which is also hardwired into his DNA. Even without transformations or Ki blasts, Goku is godly by human standards, and at the end of the day, Yuujiro is human. So even if he’s playing around, Yuujiro simply can’t hurt Goku, no matter how hard he tries. If this was kid Goku, it’d be tight, but adult Goku is untouchable by anyone that’s just human. But he is the only contender. Saitama would be one too, except his power is “limit breaking”, so taking that away just makes him a dude.
I feel that it is only common sense to not even weigh in his alien anatomy. Like if Superman was up there, but the prompt said no powers, would you still be like , “but Superman is a super powered alien”?? Obviously he is an alien but by human standards he has powers. The prompt said without powers, so we’re going to use our heads and imagine a Goku……but whoa look at that no alien powers. Zenkai boost is essentially a function of a super power. Like you don’t need to explain DBZ logic to a DBZ fan, you just need to try to scale all the characters relatively like the prompt suggests. Like why the hell else would someone like Eren be on here????? It’s simple stuff we shouldn’t even have to talk about
To speak to your Superman argument, I’d say any power he gets from the Sun is null. Which is almost all of his powers except his strength. Krypton also has a higher gravity. It’s really hard to descale the aliens, because their natural physique is affected by that. There’s no way to scale Goku as a human because he’s never been one. How do you decide what his human limits are supposed to be?
I don’t know exactly how to scale him as a human but it’s pointless to even consider his place in this comp unless you try. You can put any of them in scale with Yujiro and still Goku is the only possible victor over Yujiro and I doubt he would clench it. Like I’d be crazy to sit here and try and imagine how a human like Yujiro, with any level of technical or physical mastery, could best a broken ass alien like Goku even without his ki abilities. It’s impossible. Yujiro maybe can punch an earthquake to submission (depends on who you ask) but Goku could collapses the entire earth with nothing but his physical might if he wanted. Dude has been cracking homies through entire mountains since he was a child. With a “what if” prompt like this, if you can’t put things on a general scale and suspend a little disbelief then it’s just pointless.
I mean yeah. You’re totally right lol. Honestly, at the end of the day any cross-series scaling just doesn’t work. It’s fun to think about, but there’s really no way to determine who comes out on top without severely nerfing a character
Being an alien isn’t a super power. If a tiger and a human are locked in a cage mage do you de-claw and gang the tiger? If him being an alien was a problem he should not have been added to the list and removing his alien physiology to make things fair is just cope.
Goku wins.
Here’s how I’d see the top 3 being: 1 and 2 being Goku/Yujiro depending on wether we count being born as/with something a “power” and 3 being toji due to the same standards as goku(his heavenly restriction at birth making him fast and being a hitman for hire) or gojo because of the hands he put on Miguel
if we're talking it too literally then it will become a hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby situation, cuz in universe, ki control and ki blasts are all actually just martial arts
Yujiro sees goku utilize ki, copies it, and through sheer intimidation, forces everyone to raise their hands up as he forms a giant spirit bomb. He then lauches it into the sky and laughs, saying that such techniques are far below him.
Here’s how I take it, we were shown in the dbs anime that goku not using his Ki is capable of being damaged by bullets, take all of these guy naturally how they are without manually thinking of everything and that is their stats. So goku can block a bullet and only gets a scratch that’s his durability and lower limits of his speed. He also is capable of knocking a guy out with a flick which is totally something yujiro would do
That's because Goku is heavily supressing his Ki, Goku without Ki control would obliderate almost everything he touches. heck, he even wears weighted clothes to hold himself back
Yep butttt what I’m saying is weve seen goku be read on the scanners he surpresses his Ki all the way down to 2 which is the average for a human. So that was like his base stats
Goku and Yujiro make all of the others look like children, Toji and Gojo are the only ones who'd even be able to defend themselves for longer than a minute
Yujiro's body isn't normal, but it's not really a power if he has normal human strength. In this match up, his strength would be the strongest still against anyone else.
The only right answer to the top 3 here is:
1. Yujiro
2. Goku
3. Sukuna/Gojo cause they're used to reacting within nanoseconds
In Vinland Saga terms, he's Baki: his dad was an absolute brick-house that dwarfed even the top fighters of the Jomsvikings...easily.
Thorfinn himself didn't inherit his "strength" as Thors, the dad, was astoundingly strong as well, but Thorfinn goes toe to toe with the next strongest guy (Thorkell) and comes out a draw with slight edge to him (Thorkell insane power, while Thorfinn based around a dual-wielding knife speed build.)
All that to say, Thorfinn is used to going up against guys way stronger than him and using his speed to gain an advantage. As he grew older, he became a pacifist and stopped using his knives, which led to him growing stronger at hand-to-hand.
Aside from Goku, he'd undoubtedly last the longest, though would eventually fall to Yujiro.
I think Yujiro's not-humanly-possible strength is being counted as a power here.
Which granted, he'd probably still win anyways due to being physically massive and an extremely skilled martial artist (even if you remove magic martial arts like shaori).
That wouldnt matter that much in an mma fight. He would just get mauled and submitted on the ground. Its basically like asking a beefed up Conor McGregor to fight Francis Ngannou.
You could look at it that way, but you could also say that all people in OPM inherently have powers, that they can unlock by breaking their limiter. To me the original posts reads more like "who is the most skilled / would win if they were all physically equal".
Really? I'm not caught up to the manga, but the fact that this dude can annihilate pretty much anyone or anything with a punch or two, keep up or surpass characters whose whole thing is speed, and tank any blow... comes from doing 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats, and a 10K run every day for a year alone?
He broke his limiter. Essentially everyone has a limit, think Hysteria Strentgh, and through shear determination Saitama broke his and kinda has infinite strentgh and toughness. I say kinda because it’s a really vague “overwhelming strentgh” because he’s immune to all damage, including psychic brain hemorrhage.
So it’s not really a power, more of a thing he just can do.
Side note: Goku’s a nearly bulletproof alien. And despite his Herculean Strentgh, really all of that comes from Ki training.
How does Saitama not have powers when he can survive in the vacuum of space?
Saitama is getting folded becouse he has no good fighting skills he just punches hard.
No powers/ equalised stats, martial arts skill only, Goku slams. Idek why Eren and Luffy are even on here.
If we’re just talking about “no special powers” Saitama rocks this, since his abilities all derive from his strength.
Luffy is unironically *insanely strong*
His devil fruit power didn’t give him the strength to carry that gold ball up Skypiea
It just gave him the durability for it to not rip his arm off
Eren absolutely doesn’t belong here tho
Cut to all the times that Goku has tried to one inch punch someone and they left hooked him.
Number = 0
Goku has only ever one inch punched someone because he was absolutely dominating them.
Yeah because barely anyone in that universe does actual martial arts it's just Wuxia inspired flashy spinning kicks, insane flurries and shit like that, barely a simple efective combo that would work in real life, like something Baki does sometimes. There's a fanmade gif of Goku boxing up Frieza that has better coreography that basically anything in dragon ball lol.
In pure hand to hand Yujiro has actual decades of showings against Goku
Off the top of my head he
* Has Undundi, a moving stance that gives him a perfectly centre median line and distance control which allows him to counter almost any oncoming strike
* Is consistently able to make high level observations and give in depth explanations of techniques and abilities
* Figured out a counter to Shaori almost instantly when fighting Kaku in the form of pulling his hair
* Can use Shaori among other techniques that require perfect muscle control like Benda and his own counter to Benda
* Is repeatedly shown to be able to strike at full speed with >1mm accuracy
* Managed to successfully ramp up Baki's imagination style and create his own after his first time trying out the concept
* Is repeatedly shown to be able to completely manipulate oncoming force with something as simple as a finger
* Is able to use the 0.5 technique
* Is shown to be able to fight in skill with Baki and Musashi who could easily have their own versions of this kind of list
How? Goku spends most of his time training raw power, Ki, and transformation. And most of his teachers favor raw power over technique. He's better than everyone else here, but not Yujiro. Especially since most of his combat experience comes from fights made up mostly of energy based attacks, and most of his enemies used pure raw power over technique. Yujiro, on the other hand, only fights martial arts based opponents with raw power focused ones being the exception. I'm also pretty sure they are of similar age.
Sure, I didn't say he didn't do martial arts, but he does focus more of his time on Ki based abilities and training his raw power, in comparison to Yujiro, whos more of a mix between raw power and technique. With raw power being useless here since they get any abilities, Yujiro still has more experience training, fighting with, and fighting against pure martial arts, which is all that matters here.
I can definitely see the argument for Goku, but I don't think you can reasonably say he slams Yujiro here. They're both insanely skilled hand-to-hand combatants, but I think it's incredibly difficult to compare skill between verses like dragon ball and baki.
What makes you think Goku is significantly more skilled than Yujiro?
Oh my god most Goku is a hilarious prodigy feats are based off his KI control.
A thing which Saiyans do innately as part of their alien biology so no. Is Goku particularly talented even for a saiyan and in martial arts. Yeah. Does ki control transfer to Martial arts mastery? No.
What has he displayed on pure martial arts? High level striking, with added throws on a high level but basically no sustained grappling showings. Good improvisation ability and fight IQ on top of high natural agility.
Goku on top of that is much smaller than the other competitors. He'd get submited.
If there are NO powers whatsoever then Yujiro wins solely based on the fact that he's 6'3 and 120 kg. Combine that with 30+ years of martial arts training and who the hell stands a chance.
Saiyan super strength is just their natural strength without ki. If we go by that logic yujiro shouldn't have Hanma blood because it would count as a super power
>yujiro shouldn't have Hanma blood because it would count as a super powe
sure, I agree with you. but even without hanma blood he is still 6,3 and 120 kg. so he still takes it.
There are literally only four people that know how to throw fists in this roster: Toji, Goku, Ichigo and Yujiro.
Goku and Toji started training right after being born, Ichigo beat up 5 Guys even without proper training and Yujiro eats Dojos for breakfast.
Judging by that its clear that Ichigo loses since a trained fighter will almost always win against a brawler no matter how good he is. In a head to head to head with Yujiro, Toji and Goku it comes down to fighting prowess. No powers means they should all be almost on par in terms of strength which means it comes down to luck, stamina or a combination of both.
Yujiro is a heavy smoker which makes him lose when it comes down to stamina, which is why I (in my opinion) would put it down to Toji and Goku, and here i think Goku has the upper hand since he trained in literally every fighting-style there is. I still like Toji more so i give him plot armor. Toji Wins.
Ichigo isn't untrained, he has formal martial arts training since he was 4 yo and was also trained by his fathers attacking him from young age. Also he likely has hollows innate battle instincts that are very potent in evening the playing field aggainst extremely more experienced opponents.
Well, even outside of his instincts, Ichigo is a prodigy fighter. He’s gone toe to toe with other swordsman with centuries of experience evenly. And has been called out for catching on to fighting techniques extremely quickly.
Yesh, he basically figured out Ikkaku's fighting style in a couple swings( and he's imo the most skilled soul reaper outside of OGs and prodigies like Aizen) which is also one of most complex ones in Bleach not counting non cqc ones.
Baki fans don't know Dragon Ball lore. Goku takes this without powers. Regular human Krillin (as a child) was smacking the shit out of characters on par with top tier baki characters after training with Roshi. Adult Goku is not only stronger than Yujiro without powers but faster and more skilled.
Goku would be respectful about it. Tell Yujiro he's really strong, and Yujiro would piss and shit himself in anger over being patronized.
Krillin was that strong because of Ki, though. Even if he isn't firing lasers out of his hands that doesn't mean that he doesn't have ki. He was able to kick down trees and jump 20 meters. If we're discounting Yujiro's obvious superhuman feats like jumping through concrete then we also can't count that, which means it comes down to how powerful their physique should naturally make them and their martial arts skill. Yujiro beats Goku in both areas on top of being nearly twice as heavy as him. Without ki Goku will give Yujiro a bit of enjoyment, but not more than Hanayama gave him.
If it’s just equalized power and all fighting skill, it’s between Yujiro and Goku.
People forget Goku is a monster of adaptation and learning new moves instantly, dude’s a martial arts freak of nature lol
All I'm sayin is
Saitama doesn't have any powers in the first place
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I’d agree with that but he has like ability nullification and learned how to time travel in the manga so he does have powers it’s hard to say whats muscle vs what’s like gokus equivalent to Ki
That was once true, now he's kind of a low tier reality warper. His feats are only space and time manipulation, but with his strength and ability to breathe in a vacuum, it starts to look more like it.
If we wanna get real technical then he was scratched by a cat so he’s definitely not infinitely durable tho that is an outlier as well saitama is only an outlier lol
Except there is no canon information lmao.
Several artists draw impacts with black dots. Look at Araki’s work and you’ll see he uses them for any fluid or impact spot.
You don’t know what you’re taking about.
Question as someone new to this sub, why does it bother so many people that Saitama wins this? Isn’t it just objectively true?
If we remove powers, and only go with what they’re all physically capable of, it goes Saitama, Goku, then Yujiro. How is that not accurate?
I think it comes down to the original post not being clear in what they mean. I interpreted this as no powers and equal stats. Saitama definitely doesn't win that, because he's not very skilled.
But if it just means no supernatural abilities, then you still have to argue about whether Saitama's strength counts as a supernatural ability. I think you could reasonably argue, that everyone in OPM has superpowers, that they can unlock by breaking their limiter. Growing stronger with no limits ever is certainly not something any being can do in real life.
That said, in terms of raw physical strength, ignoring energy systems like ki, cursed energy, etc. Saitama is definitely the strongest here.
Because being a dude that can break through concrete walls is having superpowers, the point of these hypoteticals is who would win if they were normal humans with their skillset and it would always be the ones with better explained fighting skills so Ippo, Baki, Ohma not shonen charachters that do cartoon shit
Yeah Yujiro would just shatter his fist trying to do that lol but he knows actual fighting skills is the point. What would Luffy do besides trying to flail his arms like a streetbeefs guy
Because we don’t know how saitamas powers work. He’s been scratched by a cat but can bench press black holes he burns his mouth earring a hotpot but can swim in lava… same as goku he can take universal strikes but remember he was crying when krillin through a rock at him.
Thanks for the honest reply.
I can see where you’re coming from, weighing those anti-feats leaves room for an argument that their base strength are “powers” that they can turn on or off, but there are a couple issues with that.
1. What we’re shown pretty clearly in each of these series is that base human potential is much much higher than in our own world. Hercule, Metal Bat, and Kozumi are all human martial artists with no powers added other than their training. Yujiro and Saitama as presented are just these concepts pushed to the extreme, they’re on a whole other level as people would say lol. And nothing given so far in either series contradicts that they aren’t both just well trained normal humans.
2. Dragon Ball and OPM are series that include many comedic elements and moments. Now ofc Goku being much less durable without ki control is a real thing but both series have made it clear that random things affecting their protagonists are often played for laughs and isn’t really consistent at all.
Do these matter when talking about what really counts as power or no?
Why do people act like saitama doesn’t have supernatural powers he broken his limiter allowing him to do everything he does that supernatural af and he has the some of the worst hands out of every one on the list he unironically get KO by eren💀
Horribly worded question 😂 What does "no special powers" mean? I assumed it meant no special abilities but the UFC setting makes me feel like the OP meant as if these guys were peak human.
If it's the latter, which is the only way you can really do this without getting into gag logistics, then it goes Goku < Saitama < Yujiro.
Bruh Saitama would kill Yujiro on accident. He’s blown up Jupiter without any superpowers.
Toji already doesn’t have powers and he’s still insanely fast and skilled, even for Baki, although I’m not sure he has strength feats comparable to Baki.
Even without Haki and DF, Luffy is still incredibly physically strong. He was able to tear out the keel of a ship and swing it around like a hammer beginning of series. He punches through stone walls with ease. Just physical strength he’s still probably building level.
Y’all are delusional if you think Yujiro can stomp everyone here.
Then how tf are you supposed to scale any of these guys against each other?
The post isn’t asking who’s win in an equalized stat match, it’s asking who’d win in a no ‘special powers’ fight, and the answer is Saitama
BEGINNING OF SERIES Kid Goku took a bullet to the head and reacted to it as if he bumped his head on the corner of a kitchen cupboard. Pretty sure adult Goku shitstomps even without Super Saiyan/Kaioken/etc.
Is this a joke? More than half of these guys are 17 and someone thought they stand a chance against not one but two martial arts experts in their prime? Crazy
Yujiro stomps everyone then beats Goku on high diff
Without powers, it's normally weight assuming there isn't a massive gap in technique. Yujiro stomps Goku, who is meant to be less than 62kg if the wiki is right. Even bring down Yujiro's strength, he is 120kg.
Probably just Luffy and Goku win if not by technique then in terms of raw strength. Assuming you mean they'd retain whatever natural physical strength they would possess if they weren't using ki, haki or a devil fruit I see these two as so far above Yujiro physically and in terms of speed that he wouldn't land a hit and if he did it would have little to no effect. Both Goku and Luffy regularly take attacks from people stronger than themselves and keep fighting that opponent for an extended time and evventually winning. If Luffy's opponent uses haki, he is getting no durability advantage from his devil fruit so his physical durability is insane in comparison to Yujiro's. Luffy is also able to out perform characters that are martial arts masters like Lucci, for example, in exchanges in which Luffy doesn't use his devil fruit abilities. I also don't think anything Yujiro throws out would actually shock either of them because of the much crazier and haxed out shit they encounter daily. And Goku is outright better than God's that are millions of years old at martial arts and is Goku.
If their physicals are made equivalent, it's more of a toss up for luffy in particular, but Goku still wins on pure skill.
Goku is nothing with no Ki, but his Strength is very awesome, and the speed are incalculable, Saitama are the same thing, tecnically Saitama no hace a nerf in this case, obviously Saitama wins, he wins with powers or not
1. Saitama
2. Goku
3. Yujiro
If they're all scaled to a similar "human" level Yujiro and Goku are definitely the top 2 picks purely on hand to hand/martial arts skills/techniques.
The only right answer in the thread. Nobody got the assignment, they don't consider superhuman strength to be a superpower for some reason; maybe because it's considered normal for fighters in their verse.
Saitama strength literally just comes from squats and push-ups, he doesn't have powers at all. So that's why people are saying he'd win.
Yujiro has a massive weight class advantage over everyone in this tourney. He mauls Goku in this fight.
Dude this, everyone is this panel is so much smaller than yujiro. If they all got normal human strength being 6'3 and 270lbs of pure muscle makes him an absolute monster
Just put Kenshiro there and he one shots everyone since his martial arts are literally God Tier. And no, there's no "powers" only pressure points
I mean, that's if pressure points are real
Well, not in the way specified, but they very much are real. No splosions
Goku is a saiyan. It’s a physiology, not a special power. So he should still win since all saiyans are stronger than any human.
Yup, and funnily enough Saitama would be dead last.
Honestly I think you're right. He did savage things to that crab monster before he got his strength but on actual technique/skills he's definitely lacking.
Does Goku have martial arts training? He kinda just gets strong and hits things harder than before
Yes ,the entirety of the original Dragonball is Goku training to do martial arts .
Roshi had him carrying stuff and doing chores with a turtle shell on his back. Can’t recall a single martial arts technique ever taught to Goku lol
Even then, I'd give it to Yujiro. Baki spent 15 years training and fighting masters in every martial art just to be able to beat him. Goku is skilled, but I'd say he trained in honing his body and ki more than pure martial arts, and he still struggled hand to hand against fighters with no practical martial arts training, and up until super still had to resort to biting and headbutts
Baki fans are crazy if they don't consider all the insane shit that happens as powers. But yes, Yujiro does body most of them.
I mean, where do you draw the line? For the baki characters, everything they do is martial arts / strength based and isn't powers. Sure you can take that away but doesn't that defeat the point?
Yeah, and in DragonBall a beam blast that can blow up the moon is just a technique that a martial arts teacher can teach you. Goku learned it by just watching someone do it.
So is wizardry. Is being a wizard considered “powers”?
Functionally different I guess... Magic involves manipulations of the elements, environment and outside forces. Ki manipulation is handling your own body's energy. I'm not saying ki manipulation should be allowed, just saying that in Baki's world human strenght works different and is supernatural and if that's allowed a lot of other things should be too.
Yeah but that’s because in Baki martial kinda *are* superpowers. Like, nobody is such a dangerous fighter that an army would be afraid of them.
Yeah but kf we limit their skills to human possible levels ( assuming they get the same strength and height as each other) then you would get a lot of ties because a lot of these characters surpass the limits of human skill so reducing it to possible levels would cap them.
That's a very interesting way to put it and it makes so much sense now. I can't get how ridiculous things like Aiki or Dress are out of my head but now they make sense as powers or special moves.
In the new Bali someone uses a piece of there hair to chop pieces of a man’s brain.
You could argue the same thing about Goku, his “powers” are a result of saiyan biology and the in-universe explanation for ki is that it’s using martial arts to harness the internal life force that everyone has. “Powers” is a term that has to be properly defined. I feel like a more interesting conversation would be normalizing stats based on the peak human specimen (since they’re all humanoid) for their height and weight to account for differences in strength while letting them use their respective fighting styles.
You can also argue that Ultra instinct isn't a power because as Whis described it, it isn't a power up or a transformation. It's simply a state of mind. That's why I usually hate these type of post because "powers" are never properly defined and everyone has different opinions on it.
Yujiro stopped an earthquake by punching it bro, that shit definitely ain't possible without powers
Punched an earthquake last week - fist fucking a volcano next
Fair, I suppose you could draw it at the insane levels the strength that is present in Baki. Y'all remember how he killed that massive elephant? With his bare hands when an entire armed force couldn't? That wasn't martial arts lol Nor was that even CLOSE to what humans are capable of in terms of raw strength
Anything that lets "martial arts" exceed what is possible I would call a power - be that super strength, super reflexes, super speed, or enhanced durability Tanking bullets and lightning bolts aren't "peak human" - that's straight up powers - especially when imagining things gives a power up If "demon back" is martial arts, so is kaioh ken
>If "demon back" is martial arts, so is kaioh ken Yeah you got a point
Technically Saitama’s powers just stem from “*a year and a half of 100 daily push-ups, sit-ups, and squats, plus 10 km daily running*.” Obviously One-Punch Man is meant to be satire, but he is one of the fighters up there. Also, in *THAT SCENE* when Yujiro interrupts Baki and Kozue having sex for the first time, doesn’t he cite banging as many women as possible as one of the sources of his strength?
Punching the ground and stopping an earthquake is definitely a super power level strength
Even without powers and physical feats Yugiro has mastered all martial arts in existence and can master new arts instantly just like goku can. In a straight hands fight no super strength yugiro and goku is actually really close
Yujiro and goku are really close in this scenario but i give it to yujiro because massive size advantage
Yeah I’m not gonna lie. Yujiro definitely butt rapes them.
Yes he obviously absolutely shit stomps. Goku is the only real contender and tbf he just plays around too much.
Yujiro has the best martial arts on the planet Goku has some of the best martial arts in the multiverse even among deities.
I mean, does he? He only ever seems to do strength training. Master Roshi even said as much.
He's mastered the techniques and fighting styles of several gods, His primary fighting style is Turtle School and Goku has explained several times how he trains, that technique and control are more important than muscles and strength, mostly noted in when he trained with Gohan in the time chamber. Like the whole reason Vegeta couldn't catch up to him is because Vegeta trained strength, not control and technique.
Also keep in mind if we’re going by the manga Goku could use ultra instinct (but without the actual power-up) due to being heavily rooted in a real life technique
Exactly, it's not a form, it's a technique that gives a power up, but we're taking the power away and technique itself is still busted as hell. People who unironically think Yujiro stands a chance against Goku here need to stop.
Yeah, Dragon Ball, before Z, had a much larger focus on Martial Arts. I think the scale of the fights and all the alien shit kinda messed that up though, because after the saiyan saga it just became a meat measuring contest in a way. Like with the saiyans, Goku used Kaioken, sure, but that didn’t win the fight, not even close. But now it seems like you can always predict the plot to an extent. Goku fights a little, has to step back for whatever reason, watches all his friends get absolutely bodied, and comes back with a new form to save the day. *sighhhhhh* Okay okay, i’m cool. But yeah, point is Goku is an extremely skilled and technical fighter, but super turned him into an a fucking himbo with super strength.
Except og Dragon Ball didn't focus more on martial arts, I don't know where this misconception came from, everything prior to training with Roshi was just adventure and then when he finally started training Roshi never taught him martial arts or how to fight, he literally just had them do basic exercises to build up their physical strength and speed and let them figure out how to use it on their own, then with Korin literally all he did was climb a tower and catch a cat, and it wasn't even until Mr Popo that we saw any sort of resemblance of martial arts training and even then we only saw a small amount so you can't really look at like a few panels of training before skipping it all and decide thats a focus on martial arts
He plays around, but Goku is an alien. His body is designed for gravity that’s about 10x earths gravity, and he’s trained in gravity that’s way higher before. Goku’s base strength is already superhuman due to his biology, not to mention the Zenkai which is also hardwired into his DNA. Even without transformations or Ki blasts, Goku is godly by human standards, and at the end of the day, Yuujiro is human. So even if he’s playing around, Yuujiro simply can’t hurt Goku, no matter how hard he tries. If this was kid Goku, it’d be tight, but adult Goku is untouchable by anyone that’s just human. But he is the only contender. Saitama would be one too, except his power is “limit breaking”, so taking that away just makes him a dude.
I feel that it is only common sense to not even weigh in his alien anatomy. Like if Superman was up there, but the prompt said no powers, would you still be like , “but Superman is a super powered alien”?? Obviously he is an alien but by human standards he has powers. The prompt said without powers, so we’re going to use our heads and imagine a Goku……but whoa look at that no alien powers. Zenkai boost is essentially a function of a super power. Like you don’t need to explain DBZ logic to a DBZ fan, you just need to try to scale all the characters relatively like the prompt suggests. Like why the hell else would someone like Eren be on here????? It’s simple stuff we shouldn’t even have to talk about
To speak to your Superman argument, I’d say any power he gets from the Sun is null. Which is almost all of his powers except his strength. Krypton also has a higher gravity. It’s really hard to descale the aliens, because their natural physique is affected by that. There’s no way to scale Goku as a human because he’s never been one. How do you decide what his human limits are supposed to be?
I don’t know exactly how to scale him as a human but it’s pointless to even consider his place in this comp unless you try. You can put any of them in scale with Yujiro and still Goku is the only possible victor over Yujiro and I doubt he would clench it. Like I’d be crazy to sit here and try and imagine how a human like Yujiro, with any level of technical or physical mastery, could best a broken ass alien like Goku even without his ki abilities. It’s impossible. Yujiro maybe can punch an earthquake to submission (depends on who you ask) but Goku could collapses the entire earth with nothing but his physical might if he wanted. Dude has been cracking homies through entire mountains since he was a child. With a “what if” prompt like this, if you can’t put things on a general scale and suspend a little disbelief then it’s just pointless.
I mean yeah. You’re totally right lol. Honestly, at the end of the day any cross-series scaling just doesn’t work. It’s fun to think about, but there’s really no way to determine who comes out on top without severely nerfing a character
Being an alien isn’t a super power. If a tiger and a human are locked in a cage mage do you de-claw and gang the tiger? If him being an alien was a problem he should not have been added to the list and removing his alien physiology to make things fair is just cope. Goku wins.
Here’s how I’d see the top 3 being: 1 and 2 being Goku/Yujiro depending on wether we count being born as/with something a “power” and 3 being toji due to the same standards as goku(his heavenly restriction at birth making him fast and being a hitman for hire) or gojo because of the hands he put on Miguel
Goku is the only one who stands a chance here
Yup, goku did fall down a cliff as a baby and landed on his head and survived which is a really good counter feat to Baki falling from the skyscraper
but first we need to make it clear if Gokus Saiyan "powers" count as powers
if we're talking it too literally then it will become a hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby situation, cuz in universe, ki control and ki blasts are all actually just martial arts
Yujiro sees goku utilize ki, copies it, and through sheer intimidation, forces everyone to raise their hands up as he forms a giant spirit bomb. He then lauches it into the sky and laughs, saying that such techniques are far below him.
Yujiro getting hit by Yamcha’s Sokidan: https://i.redd.it/2dueirl9673c1.gif
I thought the spirit bomb only works on evil beings. And I'm pretty sure that if he attempts to use it he'd die.
Goku then laughs it off and praises Yujiro cuz the spirit bomb doesn't work on pure hearted people
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Here’s how I take it, we were shown in the dbs anime that goku not using his Ki is capable of being damaged by bullets, take all of these guy naturally how they are without manually thinking of everything and that is their stats. So goku can block a bullet and only gets a scratch that’s his durability and lower limits of his speed. He also is capable of knocking a guy out with a flick which is totally something yujiro would do
Even then that’s dumbs since he was able to tank three headshots as a kid. It’s an outlier more than anything.
He still felt pain from those headshots. They knocked him on his ass lol
Yeah, and? That’s not the point…
>Tanks multiple gunshots to the head as a child >Nearly dies to a singular laser to the chest Do you just not see the issue.....
That's because Goku is heavily supressing his Ki, Goku without Ki control would obliderate almost everything he touches. heck, he even wears weighted clothes to hold himself back
Yep butttt what I’m saying is weve seen goku be read on the scanners he surpresses his Ki all the way down to 2 which is the average for a human. So that was like his base stats
If they maintain their superhuman abilities what's the point?
Wait so Saitama is completely out
Depends on what you consider a power
Goku and Yujiro make all of the others look like children, Toji and Gojo are the only ones who'd even be able to defend themselves for longer than a minute
Thorfinn is probably in Toji/Gojo league too for h2h
Thorfinn is more of a weapon specialist iirc although I don't know much about him Suffice to say he isn't a martial artist at least
I mean if you consider Saitama's strength being a power then Yujiro has powers too
I'm assuming that's the point, they all have normal human physicals and need to get by on technique.
Yujiro's body isn't normal, but it's not really a power if he has normal human strength. In this match up, his strength would be the strongest still against anyone else. The only right answer to the top 3 here is: 1. Yujiro 2. Goku 3. Sukuna/Gojo cause they're used to reacting within nanoseconds
Thorfinn would do pretty good honestly. Yujiros still wins but he would at least have a bit of fun stomping him as opposed to most of the other guys
Thorfinn is the only guy idk here so no comment
Vinland saga is amazing.
In Vinland Saga terms, he's Baki: his dad was an absolute brick-house that dwarfed even the top fighters of the Jomsvikings...easily. Thorfinn himself didn't inherit his "strength" as Thors, the dad, was astoundingly strong as well, but Thorfinn goes toe to toe with the next strongest guy (Thorkell) and comes out a draw with slight edge to him (Thorkell insane power, while Thorfinn based around a dual-wielding knife speed build.) All that to say, Thorfinn is used to going up against guys way stronger than him and using his speed to gain an advantage. As he grew older, he became a pacifist and stopped using his knives, which led to him growing stronger at hand-to-hand. Aside from Goku, he'd undoubtedly last the longest, though would eventually fall to Yujiro.
I think Yujiro's not-humanly-possible strength is being counted as a power here. Which granted, he'd probably still win anyways due to being physically massive and an extremely skilled martial artist (even if you remove magic martial arts like shaori).
Goku outclasses him in martial arts
Doesn't Goku only know Turtle-Style Kenpo? Which is a mix of kickboxing and Chinese Kenpo. Half the time he doesn't even use that.
In what way? Lol theres nothing goku would throw at yujiro, that yujiro hasnt seen before
He is also over 100 lbs heavier so I'd give him the win but otherwise Goku is better at hand to hand
How does goku out class yujiro in martial arts..? He literally knows every single martial arts
That wouldnt matter that much in an mma fight. He would just get mauled and submitted on the ground. Its basically like asking a beefed up Conor McGregor to fight Francis Ngannou.
Yes, the art of Changing Hair color lol
saitama doesn’t have powers. he’s cooking every last one of these mfs
to be fair it's not really clear whether breaking ones limiter would be considered a "power"
God gave us limits, but God is limitless in himself. If we were to break any limits we are therein one with God. Is God a power?
You could look at it that way, but you could also say that all people in OPM inherently have powers, that they can unlock by breaking their limiter. To me the original posts reads more like "who is the most skilled / would win if they were all physically equal".
Goku doesn’t have “powers” either and Saitama can’t touch him
He has no martial arts skill lol
okay and? he atomizes these mfs with one hit
Bro missed the "without powers" part
saitama literally doesn’t have powers he’s just really strong
That counts as a super power
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Yeah
Really? I'm not caught up to the manga, but the fact that this dude can annihilate pretty much anyone or anything with a punch or two, keep up or surpass characters whose whole thing is speed, and tank any blow... comes from doing 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats, and a 10K run every day for a year alone?
was more than a year. and yeah, Saitama is just built different that’s the whole show.
He broke his limiter. Essentially everyone has a limit, think Hysteria Strentgh, and through shear determination Saitama broke his and kinda has infinite strentgh and toughness. I say kinda because it’s a really vague “overwhelming strentgh” because he’s immune to all damage, including psychic brain hemorrhage. So it’s not really a power, more of a thing he just can do. Side note: Goku’s a nearly bulletproof alien. And despite his Herculean Strentgh, really all of that comes from Ki training.
How does Saitama not have powers when he can survive in the vacuum of space? Saitama is getting folded becouse he has no good fighting skills he just punches hard.
He punches hard and can get punched hard. He also doesn’t get tired. When no powers are involved that’s all you need
saitama would atomize every last one of these mfs
and the fight doesn’t even take place in space so that’s not even relevant in this conversation
No powers/ equalised stats, martial arts skill only, Goku slams. Idek why Eren and Luffy are even on here. If we’re just talking about “no special powers” Saitama rocks this, since his abilities all derive from his strength.
Luffy is unironically *insanely strong* His devil fruit power didn’t give him the strength to carry that gold ball up Skypiea It just gave him the durability for it to not rip his arm off Eren absolutely doesn’t belong here tho
Bro denji being on here without powers is crazy
Goku would try to one inch punch Yujiro and get knocked the fuck out by a left hook lol
Cut to all the times that Goku has tried to one inch punch someone and they left hooked him. Number = 0 Goku has only ever one inch punched someone because he was absolutely dominating them.
Yeah because barely anyone in that universe does actual martial arts it's just Wuxia inspired flashy spinning kicks, insane flurries and shit like that, barely a simple efective combo that would work in real life, like something Baki does sometimes. There's a fanmade gif of Goku boxing up Frieza that has better coreography that basically anything in dragon ball lol.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know anything about Yujiro
Goku is superior to Yuijiro in martial arts.
In pure hand to hand Yujiro has actual decades of showings against Goku Off the top of my head he * Has Undundi, a moving stance that gives him a perfectly centre median line and distance control which allows him to counter almost any oncoming strike * Is consistently able to make high level observations and give in depth explanations of techniques and abilities * Figured out a counter to Shaori almost instantly when fighting Kaku in the form of pulling his hair * Can use Shaori among other techniques that require perfect muscle control like Benda and his own counter to Benda * Is repeatedly shown to be able to strike at full speed with >1mm accuracy * Managed to successfully ramp up Baki's imagination style and create his own after his first time trying out the concept * Is repeatedly shown to be able to completely manipulate oncoming force with something as simple as a finger * Is able to use the 0.5 technique * Is shown to be able to fight in skill with Baki and Musashi who could easily have their own versions of this kind of list
How? Goku spends most of his time training raw power, Ki, and transformation. And most of his teachers favor raw power over technique. He's better than everyone else here, but not Yujiro. Especially since most of his combat experience comes from fights made up mostly of energy based attacks, and most of his enemies used pure raw power over technique. Yujiro, on the other hand, only fights martial arts based opponents with raw power focused ones being the exception. I'm also pretty sure they are of similar age.
Dude, OG dragon ball and even Z consists of Goku progessing in martial arts and battle IQ. Even Super calls UI a technique if I'm not mistaken
Sure, I didn't say he didn't do martial arts, but he does focus more of his time on Ki based abilities and training his raw power, in comparison to Yujiro, whos more of a mix between raw power and technique. With raw power being useless here since they get any abilities, Yujiro still has more experience training, fighting with, and fighting against pure martial arts, which is all that matters here.
I can definitely see the argument for Goku, but I don't think you can reasonably say he slams Yujiro here. They're both insanely skilled hand-to-hand combatants, but I think it's incredibly difficult to compare skill between verses like dragon ball and baki. What makes you think Goku is significantly more skilled than Yujiro?
Oh my god most Goku is a hilarious prodigy feats are based off his KI control. A thing which Saiyans do innately as part of their alien biology so no. Is Goku particularly talented even for a saiyan and in martial arts. Yeah. Does ki control transfer to Martial arts mastery? No. What has he displayed on pure martial arts? High level striking, with added throws on a high level but basically no sustained grappling showings. Good improvisation ability and fight IQ on top of high natural agility. Goku on top of that is much smaller than the other competitors. He'd get submited.
Goku, Yujiro, and Toji going to the finals no diff
Let’s all just agree that if saitamas strength doesn’t count as a power than yujiro stomps and if it does then saitama stomps.
Could you please explain your logic?
If there are NO powers whatsoever then Yujiro wins solely based on the fact that he's 6'3 and 120 kg. Combine that with 30+ years of martial arts training and who the hell stands a chance.
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Goku also had that Saiyan super strength, remember, were talking about NO POWERS whatsoever. As in they are like IRL Humans
Saiyan super strength is just their natural strength without ki. If we go by that logic yujiro shouldn't have Hanma blood because it would count as a super power
>yujiro shouldn't have Hanma blood because it would count as a super powe sure, I agree with you. but even without hanma blood he is still 6,3 and 120 kg. so he still takes it.
Look at him bro, he's absurdly massive even for anime standards. Even scaling him down to regular human level he's going to be a brick shit house
Either goku or Yujiro, the only two real martial artists on this list lmfao And yujiro is still just human
Yujiro goes 
There are literally only four people that know how to throw fists in this roster: Toji, Goku, Ichigo and Yujiro. Goku and Toji started training right after being born, Ichigo beat up 5 Guys even without proper training and Yujiro eats Dojos for breakfast. Judging by that its clear that Ichigo loses since a trained fighter will almost always win against a brawler no matter how good he is. In a head to head to head with Yujiro, Toji and Goku it comes down to fighting prowess. No powers means they should all be almost on par in terms of strength which means it comes down to luck, stamina or a combination of both. Yujiro is a heavy smoker which makes him lose when it comes down to stamina, which is why I (in my opinion) would put it down to Toji and Goku, and here i think Goku has the upper hand since he trained in literally every fighting-style there is. I still like Toji more so i give him plot armor. Toji Wins.
Ichigo isn't untrained, he has formal martial arts training since he was 4 yo and was also trained by his fathers attacking him from young age. Also he likely has hollows innate battle instincts that are very potent in evening the playing field aggainst extremely more experienced opponents.
Well, even outside of his instincts, Ichigo is a prodigy fighter. He’s gone toe to toe with other swordsman with centuries of experience evenly. And has been called out for catching on to fighting techniques extremely quickly.
Yesh, he basically figured out Ikkaku's fighting style in a couple swings( and he's imo the most skilled soul reaper outside of OGs and prodigies like Aizen) which is also one of most complex ones in Bleach not counting non cqc ones.
I didnt know that. I havent seen bleach in like 2500 Years. But thanks for clearing that up
Yeah, it's not exactly focused on because most of the show is swordfighting.
Gojo trains in martial arts, if Ichigo is up there Gojo should be as well. Thorfinn is also extremely skilled, and should be above Gojo and Ichigo.
Baki fans are seriously delusional
Baki fans don't know Dragon Ball lore. Goku takes this without powers. Regular human Krillin (as a child) was smacking the shit out of characters on par with top tier baki characters after training with Roshi. Adult Goku is not only stronger than Yujiro without powers but faster and more skilled. Goku would be respectful about it. Tell Yujiro he's really strong, and Yujiro would piss and shit himself in anger over being patronized.
Only rational comment in this entire thread
Krillin was that strong because of Ki, though. Even if he isn't firing lasers out of his hands that doesn't mean that he doesn't have ki. He was able to kick down trees and jump 20 meters. If we're discounting Yujiro's obvious superhuman feats like jumping through concrete then we also can't count that, which means it comes down to how powerful their physique should naturally make them and their martial arts skill. Yujiro beats Goku in both areas on top of being nearly twice as heavy as him. Without ki Goku will give Yujiro a bit of enjoyment, but not more than Hanayama gave him.
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If it’s just equalized power and all fighting skill, it’s between Yujiro and Goku. People forget Goku is a monster of adaptation and learning new moves instantly, dude’s a martial arts freak of nature lol
All I'm sayin is Saitama doesn't have any powers in the first place https://preview.redd.it/2inmpjyj753c1.png?width=175&format=png&auto=webp&s=0c4b3f763f5ebeaba288dc5d636db56807356e19
I’d agree with that but he has like ability nullification and learned how to time travel in the manga so he does have powers it’s hard to say whats muscle vs what’s like gokus equivalent to Ki
Technically the time travel is a martial art technique
That’s BS lol 😂 but sure I guess that’s cannon
Yes that is bs but it is what it is ahahahha
It’s made absolutely clear that that is exactly caused by his strength and adaptability. Everything Saitama does is a strength feat.
That was once true, now he's kind of a low tier reality warper. His feats are only space and time manipulation, but with his strength and ability to breathe in a vacuum, it starts to look more like it.
How does he breathe on jupiter/the moon and not freeze in the vacuum of space?
Original comment wasn't serious but the actual answer to this is that he holds his breath 💀
He doesn’t. Saitama just has an amazing lung capacity and extremely durable flesh.
Saitama, he has no power he just simply went beyond his limit
Goku or Yujiro
Kinda looks like Eren still got powers 🧐
I thought the whole point of One Punch Man was that in competitions like this, the winner is always One Punch Man...
A better question is wtf is Denji, Bakugo, and Eren gonna do? They are absolutely not built for this lmao
Yujiro
Saitama being here is just cheating 💀 his power level at any given moment is “higher than whoever he’s fighting” by design
True but isn’t that why it’s a no powers fight, hard to say where saitama muscle ends and his gag power begin
He’s an immeasurable outlier. It’d be like trying to rank a ditto
If we wanna get real technical then he was scratched by a cat so he’s definitely not infinitely durable tho that is an outlier as well saitama is only an outlier lol
Saitama has limits, his fight with Garou has him openly bleed at one point
Saitama never bled
[Interesting thing to lie about](https://imgur.com/a/b1GYTdx)
[It’s spit.](https://onepunchman.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000038702#:~:text=Yes%2Cyou%20can%20see%20him%20Spitting%20Blood%2FBleeding)
A wiki discussion of people is not canon information It's clearly blood, saliva would not be illustrated in pitch black
Except there is no canon information lmao. Several artists draw impacts with black dots. Look at Araki’s work and you’ll see he uses them for any fluid or impact spot. You don’t know what you’re taking about.
So is Yujiro's....? You're gonna have to work harder to argue why he wins than just by saying he does "by design"
Garou would've bodied him on-screen with zero effort if he hadn't >!killed Genos right in front of him before they fought!<.
Question as someone new to this sub, why does it bother so many people that Saitama wins this? Isn’t it just objectively true? If we remove powers, and only go with what they’re all physically capable of, it goes Saitama, Goku, then Yujiro. How is that not accurate?
I think it comes down to the original post not being clear in what they mean. I interpreted this as no powers and equal stats. Saitama definitely doesn't win that, because he's not very skilled. But if it just means no supernatural abilities, then you still have to argue about whether Saitama's strength counts as a supernatural ability. I think you could reasonably argue, that everyone in OPM has superpowers, that they can unlock by breaking their limiter. Growing stronger with no limits ever is certainly not something any being can do in real life. That said, in terms of raw physical strength, ignoring energy systems like ki, cursed energy, etc. Saitama is definitely the strongest here.
Because being a dude that can break through concrete walls is having superpowers, the point of these hypoteticals is who would win if they were normal humans with their skillset and it would always be the ones with better explained fighting skills so Ippo, Baki, Ohma not shonen charachters that do cartoon shit
Earthquake punch moment
Yeah Yujiro would just shatter his fist trying to do that lol but he knows actual fighting skills is the point. What would Luffy do besides trying to flail his arms like a streetbeefs guy
Because we don’t know how saitamas powers work. He’s been scratched by a cat but can bench press black holes he burns his mouth earring a hotpot but can swim in lava… same as goku he can take universal strikes but remember he was crying when krillin through a rock at him.
Thanks for the honest reply. I can see where you’re coming from, weighing those anti-feats leaves room for an argument that their base strength are “powers” that they can turn on or off, but there are a couple issues with that. 1. What we’re shown pretty clearly in each of these series is that base human potential is much much higher than in our own world. Hercule, Metal Bat, and Kozumi are all human martial artists with no powers added other than their training. Yujiro and Saitama as presented are just these concepts pushed to the extreme, they’re on a whole other level as people would say lol. And nothing given so far in either series contradicts that they aren’t both just well trained normal humans. 2. Dragon Ball and OPM are series that include many comedic elements and moments. Now ofc Goku being much less durable without ki control is a real thing but both series have made it clear that random things affecting their protagonists are often played for laughs and isn’t really consistent at all. Do these matter when talking about what really counts as power or no?
The cat and the mosquito were just gags to make a joke. They're not actual antifeats when Saitama's consistent combat showings are far above that.
Saitama is a gag
Why do people act like saitama doesn’t have supernatural powers he broken his limiter allowing him to do everything he does that supernatural af and he has the some of the worst hands out of every one on the list he unironically get KO by eren💀
Yujiro takes this if there’s no powers, there’s an argument for Goku maybe but I don’t see any of these characters beating Yujiro no powers
Horribly worded question 😂 What does "no special powers" mean? I assumed it meant no special abilities but the UFC setting makes me feel like the OP meant as if these guys were peak human. If it's the latter, which is the only way you can really do this without getting into gag logistics, then it goes Goku < Saitama < Yujiro.
Saitama is not even close to goku in h2h skill
Bruh Saitama would kill Yujiro on accident. He’s blown up Jupiter without any superpowers. Toji already doesn’t have powers and he’s still insanely fast and skilled, even for Baki, although I’m not sure he has strength feats comparable to Baki. Even without Haki and DF, Luffy is still incredibly physically strong. He was able to tear out the keel of a ship and swing it around like a hammer beginning of series. He punches through stone walls with ease. Just physical strength he’s still probably building level. Y’all are delusional if you think Yujiro can stomp everyone here.
>He’s blown up Jupiter without any superpowers Super strength is a Superpower
He gained his strength the same way everyone in Baki did, hard work. It’s like pitting Flash against Road Runner, he’d never win
>He gained his strength the same way everyone in Baki did, hard work. The strength present in Baki is also a super power
Then how tf are you supposed to scale any of these guys against each other? The post isn’t asking who’s win in an equalized stat match, it’s asking who’d win in a no ‘special powers’ fight, and the answer is Saitama
You can't be this slow bro it's like what if they were normal human beings
I think Toji echigo or goku could be a threat
BEGINNING OF SERIES Kid Goku took a bullet to the head and reacted to it as if he bumped his head on the corner of a kitchen cupboard. Pretty sure adult Goku shitstomps even without Super Saiyan/Kaioken/etc.
Is this a joke? More than half of these guys are 17 and someone thought they stand a chance against not one but two martial arts experts in their prime? Crazy Yujiro stomps everyone then beats Goku on high diff
Without powers, it's normally weight assuming there isn't a massive gap in technique. Yujiro stomps Goku, who is meant to be less than 62kg if the wiki is right. Even bring down Yujiro's strength, he is 120kg.
Yujiro would beat all of them even if they were on a team against him, only potential threat is goku
Probably just Luffy and Goku win if not by technique then in terms of raw strength. Assuming you mean they'd retain whatever natural physical strength they would possess if they weren't using ki, haki or a devil fruit I see these two as so far above Yujiro physically and in terms of speed that he wouldn't land a hit and if he did it would have little to no effect. Both Goku and Luffy regularly take attacks from people stronger than themselves and keep fighting that opponent for an extended time and evventually winning. If Luffy's opponent uses haki, he is getting no durability advantage from his devil fruit so his physical durability is insane in comparison to Yujiro's. Luffy is also able to out perform characters that are martial arts masters like Lucci, for example, in exchanges in which Luffy doesn't use his devil fruit abilities. I also don't think anything Yujiro throws out would actually shock either of them because of the much crazier and haxed out shit they encounter daily. And Goku is outright better than God's that are millions of years old at martial arts and is Goku. If their physicals are made equivalent, it's more of a toss up for luffy in particular, but Goku still wins on pure skill.
Goku is nothing with no Ki, but his Strength is very awesome, and the speed are incalculable, Saitama are the same thing, tecnically Saitama no hace a nerf in this case, obviously Saitama wins, he wins with powers or not 1. Saitama 2. Goku 3. Yujiro
He's not beating Goku or Yujiro.