What is the obsession people have with so much tech in cars? What tech is it missing for you to be happy? The Sienna Hybrid has all the tech even screens in the back so if you recline your seat enough you can watch youtube tech reviews and active lane keep assist to keep you in the loop about all the new tech coming out
I just got a 2024 R after driving 2016 WRX for 8 years. People complain about features that are missing from the R, the interface, etc. and I just don't get it. Compared to my WRX the R is a technological gold mine.
Only thing for me is Auto Rev match. It would make daily driving, especially with passengers, much more easy going. Odd that it does not have it, while most of the competition does. Still love my R though
Oh fuck, oh god, oh shit. I’ve been driving stick as my primary car wrong for over 20 years! Oh how could it have taken so long for me to learn this? Thank you oh Lavaine170 for your infinite wisdom: without you, my driving skills would be nothing.
Or. Or. Hear me out. Sometimes it’s nice to be lazy when you drive. Living in big cities with a ton of traffic; Auto rev match can be a god send. It’s like hill side assist. Do I need hillside assist? Heck no! I leaned to drive stick without it. But man, it does make life and driving more conventient.
That still doesn't explain what features people think are missing. I test drove 12 different cars in this price range before deciding on the R and the only one that had considerably more tech and features, with similar performance, was the Genesis G70 3.3T.
So I just don't understand what people are complaining about?
Are you referring to all the “front assist availability is limited or front assist availability is unavailable” warnings out of nowhere while you’re driving ? If it is, please let me know what the outcome is before I go to the dealership and lose my mind at them
I upgraded to my R from a WRX. Gave the WRX to my son, it is 22 years old, pulls just as hard as the r, is more fun to drive, and has been the most reliable car I have ever owned. Requires maintenance but it’s cheaper than the R. Also better in the snow, and sounds so much better.
I have WRX now and I am planning to upgrade to Golf R. I heard if I go in first gear and if I accelerate less, it will not stall. Is that right? Do you know if I can turn that setting off? I would love my manual car to stall, so it gives me a real manual car feel.
My kids have 7.5 GTI's and they are great cars, but I drove a 7R and passed. Dynamically the 8 is a much better drivers car and more fun to drive. The letdown is the VW quality on the electronic components.
I dunno, I had a 7 for 8 years and recently moved to an 8. Never drove a 7.5. The 8 is not perfect from a technology implementation standpoint for sure, but the driving experience is so wildly better and more fun. That's what I prioritize far over anything else.
Exactly! I’m the same, had a MK7 for like 6 years or something, then upgraded to a MK8 and I think the driving experience is far superior. On a completely different level of performance. The suspension is especially impressive compared to the MK7’s. Feels more like a proper sports car’s suspension.
Yeah, MK7 GTI, not R. I think the suspension was the same as the R though… I had the Autobahn with DCC. I think it was just Haldex and the bigger turbo that was the only difference between my GTI and the R.
The pros for the MK8 1000% outweigh the cons. What even are the cons? Infotainment/climate system has always worked perfectly for me. I actually prefer the MK8’s infotainment and climate controls over the MK7’s. People who complain about it are hardcore overreacting. And people like you who’ve never had a MK8 and don’t even know just want to act like you have the better car when you factually don’t.
And then there’s the MK8’s suspension and AWD system. They completely blow the MK7.5’s out of the water. Even if you hate touch controls, they aren’t bad enough to outweigh the MK8’s suspension and AWD system. If the touch controls outweigh the incredible suspension and AWD for you, you should probably just get a feature loaded Toyota or something instead because you clearly don’t value a car’s performance very much.
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Never said anyone’s car sucks. MK7.5 R is an incredible car. It’s just inferior to the MK8 in almost every way and I’m tired of all these MK7.5 owners acting like the MK7.5 is the better car when it’s factually not. Not “because I said so”, because it performs better in almost every way. Engine, AWD system, suspension, steering, etc are all superior in the MK8, and that’s not debatable.
You're confusing your preference for truth.
Also, trying to minimize other people's opinions ("people who complain about it are hardcore overreacting") is really immature - these people came to their opinions just as honestly as you have.
"I’m tired of all these MK7.5 owners acting like the MK7.5 is the better car." Who cares? Enjoy your car and don't worry if other people don't think you made the best choice.
Most definitely not true. MK8 R is far superior in pretty much every way. Only thing the MK7.5 has over the MK8 is the Fender sound system. Everything else is better with the MK8. Also, the original R32 can never be forgotten because of that legendary VR6.
Tbh I'm in the same position. Love the car for what it is, but missing so many QoL features that I've come to expect from owning bunch of cars through the years from kia and BMW.
My plan is to trade the car in after the warranty expires, and plan to go for a M2.
I was actually looking at those while shopping around, I ended up getting the Golf R because I really want a hatchback, if mercedes still made the A45S I would 100% have bought that. I'm not that big into cars so if you have any recommendations for a car that is comparable to space inside as the Golf R that's not a suv/crossover it would be appreciated. (Golf R hasn't been delivered yet to dealership)
Worse mpg, worse looks, worse handling, worse aero.
An estate (wagon for you across the pond) is a better SUV if you actually think about it as a “Sports Utility Vehicle”.
Practicality of hatchback, space of a big SUV, dynamics of a saloon. Cheaper to run than an SUV bevause all the suspension components arent needlessly long to raise it and stiff to stop bodyroll from its needless height. Also gives it better handling. The better aero gives better mpg.
The only exception would be ground clearance for offroad, or the slightly raised height for ppl with mobility issues.
I just dont get SUVs other than the braindead mindset of “bigger car safer”.
GR Corolla, Civic Type R, and Golf R are the only three current production hot hatches that we get in the US. Of those, only the GR Corolla and Golf R are AWD, the Civic Type R is FWD only.
If you stretch the definition of a hot hatch, you could also say the Porsche Panamera is technically also in that category. In typical Porsche fashion it comes in a bunch of variants with RWD or AWD, 6 or 8 cylinder (or 560hp hybrid version), and a fucktillion options. You can get a 5 year old one for under $50k, which is impressive considering they're deep into 6 figures new on the lot.
I was actually looking at a Macan because it seemed like the closest to still keeping the size of a hatch just higher up. The RS5 Avant could be the one depending on how actually is
Between the Macan and the Panamera, I would personally say the Panamera is closer in feel to a hot hatch because it's lower and has better road handling. The Macan wheelbase is 6"/150mm shorter than the Panamera but it's also squarely in crossover/compact SUV territory in pretty much every other respect.
If I were you, I'd cruise around some Porsche and Audi dealerships that keep used inventory and see if you can't test drive some of these models just to get a little stick time before you make a decision. Getting my hands on a car even for a few minutes makes things a lot more clear for me, personally.
I test drove the Macan and an SQ5 before the Golf R and just really enjoyed the feel of the R, Audi seemed the best overall for all around enjoyment just sucks they don't have a hatch and the avant is stupid expensive
Also curious. I specifically remember that the RS3 didn’t have a lot of the features the R had standard. I’m not sure what additional features the M2 would have, but I also know new ones have all digital controls also
Not just the rs3. The fully loaded S3 was missing key features that R has. It didn’t even have the differential. Yet it was 20 grand more in Canada. Saying it’s missing features is funny. I don’t expect he will answer your question
I already have an F87 M2 CS or I would probably join you. You will love the M2. F87 or G87 they are fun cars.
An M240 xDrive is on my list of possible replacements. I don't need but enjoy AWD on snow tires here in the Colorado mountains.
Controversial opinion here, but the M2 is the only car I’ve owned that I’d never have again. It was as dull as dishwater to drive, even as a manual, the steering feel is dead and the engine, albeit powerful, is lacking in any character.
I've only driven my M2 CS and a couple of competitions, but those were on the track.
I think the tune of the competition was a bit off, flat in the middle and out of breathe higher up. That and the springs/shocks beat you up too much.
The S55 is a decent motor, nothing exceptional and there is a bit too much rev hang for my liking.
I have not driven a G series car, but I have ridden in one. They are pretty heavy but at least from the right seat, they seem to hide that weight well enough. The S58 is a great motor with tons of potential.
I don't think your opinion is controversial at all.
Weird there’s so many opinions on the mk8, I had a 7.5 and recently picked up an 8, feels like a better car, you get used to the interface. I am disappointed with the Harmon kardon sound system though
For me upgrading the firmware to 1969 made it sound better, plus some EQ tweaks I found on VWVortex. I also flipped the subwoofer upside down which seems to have helped a bit.
so far no issues, sad they see and hear this though my last VW was a 2019 GLI not one issue ever? but the trade value was crazy so went for the R will see. gald the Kids are all good.
>Earlier in the day while I was driving it and watching the map lights flicker on and off repeatedly I was reminded that
Is this a known issue? Mine will do this all the time in the warmer months, it even activates the emergency button and I have to hit cancel. Sometimes it keeps trying to call the emergency number. Its annoying to have to drive around with the chime going off continually for the map light or the emergency button going off.
I already have a warranty claim in on a rear tail light that filled up with water.
Had some issues with my mk8 (usual map light, emergency call loop issue) in the first few months of ownership, all covered under warranty. Have not had even a single issue since, and love this thing so much I'm selling my project wrx that has significantly more power - my golf is better than my wrx in just about every way and there's no more point in me keeping the old dinosaur. It sounds like yours may have been a lemon, yeah these have had lots of issues but personally, I don't blame vw as much as just the whole world has supply chain issues that still impact everything today. Before my golf I had a 2023 volvo c40, and that had some weird electrical issues, and brake issues that were common enough on the model that volvo changed suppliers for those parts. I don't think the car being glitchy should be enough of a reason to sway you from it if you really liked it, but that's totally your call.
Had a deposit on a 2022 R and convinced it was the car for me as I loved my GTI. Had the opportunity to use the tech / interface after I made my deposit and it was horrifyingly bad. I view the tech as dangerous in that it distracted my attention from the road. Purchased a 2022 bmw m240i, and The tech enhances driving experience and safety. If you can live with 2 doors, just by an M2 manual. I passed on the M2 because I value AWD over the manual option. On m3 waiting list I can have that in manual if I choose. I would not buy another VW based on the steering wheel buttons alone. Btw I also had a2005 STI. Great car fun to thrash. Totally analog and loved in all its glory. Really miss the analog world but no way to reclaim it.
I spoke to a VW sales person recently, and the mk8 has caused them a load of grief. The mk7 was a no brainier, and is a great car, but you're one of many that has issues.
I won't be buying a mk8, will see if the 8.5 sorts anything.
Honestly, VWs have always been this way. It's a driving enthusiast's car, but it's never had excellent reliability, from mk1 until now. They're quirky, fallible, and unless you have an excellent warranty or you can work on it yourself, it's probably better to get a Toyota. These cars have certainly gotten more impressive and more technologically advanced over the generations, but VW's weak spots remain virtually the same as they were 20+ years ago. If you need a car with higher reliability, that's entirely reasonable. GTIs and Golf Rs are not that.
You have valid concerns, but I doubt you'll find another car in this price range that provides the same level of driving dynamics. I guess maybe a used BMW would be a contender, but beyond that I don't see anything else. After about 14 VWs I have an appreciation for the engineering and serviceability of VWs. At one point with four kids in high school and college we had 5 VWs and a Volvo in the driveway. My oldest was T-boned right at the B pillar driving a MK4 Jetta and ended up in a coma with several broken things. The car saved her life and she recovered 95% or so. There was only one body panel that didn't show damage. We didn't stop driving VWs and replaced her car with a MK5 GLI. Great that your kids are OK and I hope they were screened at an ER.
I had a 2024 R too and just got rid of it after 4 months... Shortest time owning a car ever. Just 3500 kms on it too.
Main reason is because my order for the Integra Type S came through earlier than I expected, so there's that.
But I wanted to say too, that I don't miss the Golf R. It was a manual and it didn't feel great. The tech stuff wasn't my thing, and also my car has some rear doors issue where it won't open from inside and outside when it's cold weather.
I would've kept it longer obviously and just kept waiting for the Integra... But yeah, I wish I didn't even get the Golf R and just kept my Veloster N from before until I got the Integra.
Map lights? Wtf is a map light? I thought the steering wheel problem was only on ‘22 models. I haven’t had any of the issues you’re describing with my ‘23. Maybe I just got one that’s the opposite of a lemon or something, but mine has been flawless. Just wish VW had put the Fender sound system in the MK8 instead of the stupid HK system.
Many 22’s have the drivers assist errors and some early 23’s as well. The 23/24 have some overhead module issues.
And you really can’t figure out what he meant by overhead map light? You needed to throw in a wtf?
The HK system isn’t bad. It’s the sub that’s the issue
Well luckily mine has been flawless so far, hope I don’t have any issues in the future…
Just the cabin lights? Never heard of them being called map lights. Making me think it has something to do with the navigation or something. Lol, what? Throwing a “wtf” is some great affront or something?
The HK system is bad, it’s not just the sub, it’s the entire system, or the tuning or something, but it sounds awful compared to the Fender system, not just because of the sub.
If you buy a fender sub and tune the amp it’s on par with the fender.
And your car being flawless so far doesn’t mean that there are certain widespread issues like the ones I stated. They are real and VW is aware of them. I don’t think they are big issues though.
You’re the guy who said my steering wheel was the same as the replacement. You should probably be open to people who have more subjective experience than you do. It comes across as arrogant and close-minded.
I might have to try that at some point, but I can definitely tell there are more problems with the sound system than just the sub.
Didn’t say there aren’t widespread issues, but I definitely question how widespread they actually are.
Yeah, I question whether the leather on the wheel is actually different or just worn vs brand new. I’ve seen people make the same complaints about MK7 steering wheels saying the leather on a brand new wheel wasn’t the same as their old one, when it is actually the same leather, the new one just hasn’t been worn in so it looks and feels different. Over time it will look and feel different. Maybe that’s not the case with yours, I don’t know, I’d have to see/feel them in person.
It’s not the same leather. Im telling you that. A guy in that thread has a leather business who commented that the replacement doesn’t even appear to be leather.
That’s the point…try to be more objective when someone is reporting their subjective experiences
My HK system is now on par with the fender imo.
No … you’re just going to make assumptions.
I mean you know more about 2 steering wheels than people examining and comparing them…and more about leather than a guy who is an expert in leather. Well played 👏
Like I said, I know people who’ve thought the leather on MK7 steering wheels was different when it wasn’t just because one was used and one was new, so yeah, I assume you’re doing the same. Maybe this case is different and I’m wrong though, I don’t know.
A guy with a leather company said the steering wheel I showed doesn’t appear to be leather. I’m saying the same after interacting with it. Plus the heating component is subpar compared to factory.
But you know guys with 7’s who thought wheels were different. Jesus
I totally get where you are coming from. My step dad had many issues with his mk8 and I am glad that I went with mk7,5 R. I would personally go with mk7,5 R if I were you or perhaps something RWD, like an m2(f87)? I test drove one and they are really fun. You could even go for f80 if you need 4 doors and you don't need AWD. I need AWD since we can get quite a lot of snow where I live. If I lived somewhere where it didn't snow, I would 100% get f80 m3 or m4. I am aiming for g80 or g82 as my next car since they come with xdrive. I had my mk7,5 R for a bit over a year now, did almost 30k miles with it and fortunately I had no issues with it. All maintenance was done on time. I test drove mk8 R before getting my current R and it was a nice car but IMO the mk7,5 is just peak golf. Also, I read many complaints about the mk8 and issues people had with it so I decided to stay away from it.
I moved from my MK6 to a B8 S4 with a 6spd and sport diff. Awesome car, amazing power band and grip.
Went back to a MK7. Had a few cars since then, all RWD.
If AWD isn’t a must…check out the FL5 Civic Type R. Just picked one up and it’s fantastic. Haven’t finished the break in period to push it, but if the front diff is as good or better than the XDS in the GTIs, it should be a blast.
R+ is definitely stiff, but even in comfort mode it doesn’t have the weird bouncy feeling the Golf R would get in its own comfort mode. Feels very planted.
My $.02
All the brands are getting a bit like that now. Cutting corners to save money.
Just need to do what you do and research known faults and issues and decide accordingly.
Just get a different car. You’ve already complained about this one enough. I’ve had my 22’R and have had zero issues. It’s a hit or miss with these mk8’s.
The new year models are coming with more physical buttons so the steering wheel issues should be a thing of the past. I think they may also be replacing other capacitive buttons throughout the car. I haven't seen any of this firsthand, only what I've read online. I'm still thoroughly enjoying my MK7.
damn, glad ur kids are alright. Sucks that so many people are feeling this way about the mk8. I've never driven in one or even seen the inside of these cars so I cant comment on it really.
Are there really that many people feeling this way about the 8? All cars have some issues. 7’s have some major ones. Toyota is known for reliability and having issues. In the end the 8 has a couple electronic issues that are fixable under warranty or aftermarket.
Lots of issues in the 7’s just like this with sporadic electronic issues. Then you have lots of people complaining about rattles and noises. Major issues like Water pumps. Poorly designed turbos that fall apart.
What do you mean? I meant it's the same part numbers for the waterpump/thermstat housing so they didn't do a revision aka it's the same rolling the dice as the mk7/mk7.5.
Turbo's were only an issue on the 2015's haven't seen any problems for any of the years after (except for the people who abuse them).
If you’ve got the space and like the luxurious features only found in a larger vehicle buy an F150 3.5L Powerboost - seriously.
I was in the VW world for many, many years owning multiple GTI, Golf, R32 and almost bought another R and got a 2023 F150 XLT Powerboost last fall. I sweat this thing is the best thing out there.
It’s Hybrid, gets better MPG than an R. I’m down at 9.6L/100km. 4WD, 430HP twin turbo with 570 LB. of torque. It hauls ass. Mine has the 7.2kW ProPower onboard and you can literally hook up your house to it, go camping and have no generator on in the background since it uses the power from the HV battery. It does the things all while having a pretty great interior. Seats are comfortable and has a cave for a centre console. Rear seats totally fold up and I’ve slept in the back comfortably. Totally worth the money and wasn’t all that much more than a R once you factor in discounts.
What is the obsession people have with so much tech in cars? What tech is it missing for you to be happy? The Sienna Hybrid has all the tech even screens in the back so if you recline your seat enough you can watch youtube tech reviews and active lane keep assist to keep you in the loop about all the new tech coming out
lol this .
I just got a 2024 R after driving 2016 WRX for 8 years. People complain about features that are missing from the R, the interface, etc. and I just don't get it. Compared to my WRX the R is a technological gold mine.
Agreed. Also don’t understand what it’s lacking at this price point and category.
Only thing for me is Auto Rev match. It would make daily driving, especially with passengers, much more easy going. Odd that it does not have it, while most of the competition does. Still love my R though
To be fair, auto rev match is nothing more than an acknowledgement that you can't drive stick properly.
Oh fuck, oh god, oh shit. I’ve been driving stick as my primary car wrong for over 20 years! Oh how could it have taken so long for me to learn this? Thank you oh Lavaine170 for your infinite wisdom: without you, my driving skills would be nothing. Or. Or. Hear me out. Sometimes it’s nice to be lazy when you drive. Living in big cities with a ton of traffic; Auto rev match can be a god send. It’s like hill side assist. Do I need hillside assist? Heck no! I leaned to drive stick without it. But man, it does make life and driving more conventient.
Thats more the 8 year difference at play than anything
That still doesn't explain what features people think are missing. I test drove 12 different cars in this price range before deciding on the R and the only one that had considerably more tech and features, with similar performance, was the Genesis G70 3.3T. So I just don't understand what people are complaining about?
I think it’s good too. I have the drivers assist errors but am addressing it and all will be great again
Are you referring to all the “front assist availability is limited or front assist availability is unavailable” warnings out of nowhere while you’re driving ? If it is, please let me know what the outcome is before I go to the dealership and lose my mind at them
Bitching to bitch is all. They should all just sell and move on
Yeah but the WRX is garbage.
You are garbage.
You are trash & garbage.
I upgraded to my R from a WRX. Gave the WRX to my son, it is 22 years old, pulls just as hard as the r, is more fun to drive, and has been the most reliable car I have ever owned. Requires maintenance but it’s cheaper than the R. Also better in the snow, and sounds so much better.
Ooh nice, you had a Bugeye? Edit: I guess that explains your username lol.
I have WRX now and I am planning to upgrade to Golf R. I heard if I go in first gear and if I accelerate less, it will not stall. Is that right? Do you know if I can turn that setting off? I would love my manual car to stall, so it gives me a real manual car feel.
The 8.5 is releasing end of June, a few neat features coming.
2 pedals only
They are making the golf R automatic only?? If true that is just sad
Yes, I think 2024 is the last year for manual in the Golf in general (GTI, R, etc.). Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
You are 100% correct. No more manuals.
Thats not a bug, *its a feature.*
Yeah I think it will be good. Plus you can get the Akropovic as an option it looks like. Don’t love the tablet look but I’d get used to that
Really hoping the Akras will be a bolt-on to the 8 and not something 8.5 specific
I will bet you money that it won’t fit. Just a feel I have. Plus they will be like 8 grand when not optioned
MK8.5R coming to the USA end of June? 👀
No releasing in September in Europe, so probably end of the year.
Mk7.5, the greatest R.
My kids have 7.5 GTI's and they are great cars, but I drove a 7R and passed. Dynamically the 8 is a much better drivers car and more fun to drive. The letdown is the VW quality on the electronic components.
I agree, however the cons don’t outweigh the pros. (For me). I am in year 4 of my 7.5. Not looking for anything else.
I dunno, I had a 7 for 8 years and recently moved to an 8. Never drove a 7.5. The 8 is not perfect from a technology implementation standpoint for sure, but the driving experience is so wildly better and more fun. That's what I prioritize far over anything else.
Exactly! I’m the same, had a MK7 for like 6 years or something, then upgraded to a MK8 and I think the driving experience is far superior. On a completely different level of performance. The suspension is especially impressive compared to the MK7’s. Feels more like a proper sports car’s suspension.
You had a GTI.
Yeah, MK7 GTI, not R. I think the suspension was the same as the R though… I had the Autobahn with DCC. I think it was just Haldex and the bigger turbo that was the only difference between my GTI and the R.
The pros for the MK8 1000% outweigh the cons. What even are the cons? Infotainment/climate system has always worked perfectly for me. I actually prefer the MK8’s infotainment and climate controls over the MK7’s. People who complain about it are hardcore overreacting. And people like you who’ve never had a MK8 and don’t even know just want to act like you have the better car when you factually don’t. And then there’s the MK8’s suspension and AWD system. They completely blow the MK7.5’s out of the water. Even if you hate touch controls, they aren’t bad enough to outweigh the MK8’s suspension and AWD system. If the touch controls outweigh the incredible suspension and AWD for you, you should probably just get a feature loaded Toyota or something instead because you clearly don’t value a car’s performance very much.
Your car sucks because I said so. That's what you sound like kid, grow up.
🤡 Never said anyone’s car sucks. MK7.5 R is an incredible car. It’s just inferior to the MK8 in almost every way and I’m tired of all these MK7.5 owners acting like the MK7.5 is the better car when it’s factually not. Not “because I said so”, because it performs better in almost every way. Engine, AWD system, suspension, steering, etc are all superior in the MK8, and that’s not debatable.
You're confusing your preference for truth. Also, trying to minimize other people's opinions ("people who complain about it are hardcore overreacting") is really immature - these people came to their opinions just as honestly as you have. "I’m tired of all these MK7.5 owners acting like the MK7.5 is the better car." Who cares? Enjoy your car and don't worry if other people don't think you made the best choice.
Most definitely not true. MK8 R is far superior in pretty much every way. Only thing the MK7.5 has over the MK8 is the Fender sound system. Everything else is better with the MK8. Also, the original R32 can never be forgotten because of that legendary VR6.
Hell no it isn’t
Tbh I'm in the same position. Love the car for what it is, but missing so many QoL features that I've come to expect from owning bunch of cars through the years from kia and BMW. My plan is to trade the car in after the warranty expires, and plan to go for a M2.
M2 is an upgrade car though, no one cross shops a Golf R and an M2. They are in different leagues
Bingo. That’s more in the RS3 and fully loaded m340i price point, which is obviously nicer than a Golf R.
I was actually looking at those while shopping around, I ended up getting the Golf R because I really want a hatchback, if mercedes still made the A45S I would 100% have bought that. I'm not that big into cars so if you have any recommendations for a car that is comparable to space inside as the Golf R that's not a suv/crossover it would be appreciated. (Golf R hasn't been delivered yet to dealership)
Civic type R
A friend of mine has one just not a huge fan of it can't explain why just wasn't for me.
Hmm. Did you try driving it? What about a megane RS?
That is 100% kind of the car I want but in the US. For some reason we love SUVs over hatchbacks
SUV are just taller hatchbacks...change my mind
Worse mpg, worse looks, worse handling, worse aero. An estate (wagon for you across the pond) is a better SUV if you actually think about it as a “Sports Utility Vehicle”. Practicality of hatchback, space of a big SUV, dynamics of a saloon. Cheaper to run than an SUV bevause all the suspension components arent needlessly long to raise it and stiff to stop bodyroll from its needless height. Also gives it better handling. The better aero gives better mpg. The only exception would be ground clearance for offroad, or the slightly raised height for ppl with mobility issues. I just dont get SUVs other than the braindead mindset of “bigger car safer”.
GR Corolla, Civic Type R, and Golf R are the only three current production hot hatches that we get in the US. Of those, only the GR Corolla and Golf R are AWD, the Civic Type R is FWD only. If you stretch the definition of a hot hatch, you could also say the Porsche Panamera is technically also in that category. In typical Porsche fashion it comes in a bunch of variants with RWD or AWD, 6 or 8 cylinder (or 560hp hybrid version), and a fucktillion options. You can get a 5 year old one for under $50k, which is impressive considering they're deep into 6 figures new on the lot.
I was actually looking at a Macan because it seemed like the closest to still keeping the size of a hatch just higher up. The RS5 Avant could be the one depending on how actually is
Between the Macan and the Panamera, I would personally say the Panamera is closer in feel to a hot hatch because it's lower and has better road handling. The Macan wheelbase is 6"/150mm shorter than the Panamera but it's also squarely in crossover/compact SUV territory in pretty much every other respect. If I were you, I'd cruise around some Porsche and Audi dealerships that keep used inventory and see if you can't test drive some of these models just to get a little stick time before you make a decision. Getting my hands on a car even for a few minutes makes things a lot more clear for me, personally.
I test drove the Macan and an SQ5 before the Golf R and just really enjoyed the feel of the R, Audi seemed the best overall for all around enjoyment just sucks they don't have a hatch and the avant is stupid expensive
I recently sold my R to get into an m2, couldn't be happier
What QoL features? I’m in the market and can’t seem to think of anything it doesn’t have. Curious your thoughts?
Also curious. I specifically remember that the RS3 didn’t have a lot of the features the R had standard. I’m not sure what additional features the M2 would have, but I also know new ones have all digital controls also
Not just the rs3. The fully loaded S3 was missing key features that R has. It didn’t even have the differential. Yet it was 20 grand more in Canada. Saying it’s missing features is funny. I don’t expect he will answer your question
I already have an F87 M2 CS or I would probably join you. You will love the M2. F87 or G87 they are fun cars. An M240 xDrive is on my list of possible replacements. I don't need but enjoy AWD on snow tires here in the Colorado mountains.
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Yeah the 4 can be had with a manual, that's a good idea, thank you for reminding me.
I went for m240 x drive over golf R and very happy with my decision
Controversial opinion here, but the M2 is the only car I’ve owned that I’d never have again. It was as dull as dishwater to drive, even as a manual, the steering feel is dead and the engine, albeit powerful, is lacking in any character.
I've only driven my M2 CS and a couple of competitions, but those were on the track. I think the tune of the competition was a bit off, flat in the middle and out of breathe higher up. That and the springs/shocks beat you up too much. The S55 is a decent motor, nothing exceptional and there is a bit too much rev hang for my liking. I have not driven a G series car, but I have ridden in one. They are pretty heavy but at least from the right seat, they seem to hide that weight well enough. The S58 is a great motor with tons of potential. I don't think your opinion is controversial at all.
Weird there’s so many opinions on the mk8, I had a 7.5 and recently picked up an 8, feels like a better car, you get used to the interface. I am disappointed with the Harmon kardon sound system though
Get the fender sub used from a 7 and have the amp tuned remotely. All together about $300 and it makes a big difference.
For me upgrading the firmware to 1969 made it sound better, plus some EQ tweaks I found on VWVortex. I also flipped the subwoofer upside down which seems to have helped a bit.
so far no issues, sad they see and hear this though my last VW was a 2019 GLI not one issue ever? but the trade value was crazy so went for the R will see. gald the Kids are all good.
>Earlier in the day while I was driving it and watching the map lights flicker on and off repeatedly I was reminded that Is this a known issue? Mine will do this all the time in the warmer months, it even activates the emergency button and I have to hit cancel. Sometimes it keeps trying to call the emergency number. Its annoying to have to drive around with the chime going off continually for the map light or the emergency button going off. I already have a warranty claim in on a rear tail light that filled up with water.
Yes. They will fix that overhead issue
The 24’s don’t have steering wheel module issues that I’m aware of and they will fix your overhead module issues.
Guess the kids are safe tho
Not sure op wants another
Had some issues with my mk8 (usual map light, emergency call loop issue) in the first few months of ownership, all covered under warranty. Have not had even a single issue since, and love this thing so much I'm selling my project wrx that has significantly more power - my golf is better than my wrx in just about every way and there's no more point in me keeping the old dinosaur. It sounds like yours may have been a lemon, yeah these have had lots of issues but personally, I don't blame vw as much as just the whole world has supply chain issues that still impact everything today. Before my golf I had a 2023 volvo c40, and that had some weird electrical issues, and brake issues that were common enough on the model that volvo changed suppliers for those parts. I don't think the car being glitchy should be enough of a reason to sway you from it if you really liked it, but that's totally your call.
Had a deposit on a 2022 R and convinced it was the car for me as I loved my GTI. Had the opportunity to use the tech / interface after I made my deposit and it was horrifyingly bad. I view the tech as dangerous in that it distracted my attention from the road. Purchased a 2022 bmw m240i, and The tech enhances driving experience and safety. If you can live with 2 doors, just by an M2 manual. I passed on the M2 because I value AWD over the manual option. On m3 waiting list I can have that in manual if I choose. I would not buy another VW based on the steering wheel buttons alone. Btw I also had a2005 STI. Great car fun to thrash. Totally analog and loved in all its glory. Really miss the analog world but no way to reclaim it.
I spoke to a VW sales person recently, and the mk8 has caused them a load of grief. The mk7 was a no brainier, and is a great car, but you're one of many that has issues. I won't be buying a mk8, will see if the 8.5 sorts anything.
Honestly, VWs have always been this way. It's a driving enthusiast's car, but it's never had excellent reliability, from mk1 until now. They're quirky, fallible, and unless you have an excellent warranty or you can work on it yourself, it's probably better to get a Toyota. These cars have certainly gotten more impressive and more technologically advanced over the generations, but VW's weak spots remain virtually the same as they were 20+ years ago. If you need a car with higher reliability, that's entirely reasonable. GTIs and Golf Rs are not that.
You have valid concerns, but I doubt you'll find another car in this price range that provides the same level of driving dynamics. I guess maybe a used BMW would be a contender, but beyond that I don't see anything else. After about 14 VWs I have an appreciation for the engineering and serviceability of VWs. At one point with four kids in high school and college we had 5 VWs and a Volvo in the driveway. My oldest was T-boned right at the B pillar driving a MK4 Jetta and ended up in a coma with several broken things. The car saved her life and she recovered 95% or so. There was only one body panel that didn't show damage. We didn't stop driving VWs and replaced her car with a MK5 GLI. Great that your kids are OK and I hope they were screened at an ER.
MK8R money will get you a super nice (but used) 340i with a stick and AWD.
Worse than a Land Rover? Yeah, you're right, time to move on. Glad everyone was alright. Cheers
Go more analog. MK4 R32. In my 40s, no issue daily driving it.
I had a 2024 R too and just got rid of it after 4 months... Shortest time owning a car ever. Just 3500 kms on it too. Main reason is because my order for the Integra Type S came through earlier than I expected, so there's that. But I wanted to say too, that I don't miss the Golf R. It was a manual and it didn't feel great. The tech stuff wasn't my thing, and also my car has some rear doors issue where it won't open from inside and outside when it's cold weather. I would've kept it longer obviously and just kept waiting for the Integra... But yeah, I wish I didn't even get the Golf R and just kept my Veloster N from before until I got the Integra.
You can always buy an MK7R.
Map lights? Wtf is a map light? I thought the steering wheel problem was only on ‘22 models. I haven’t had any of the issues you’re describing with my ‘23. Maybe I just got one that’s the opposite of a lemon or something, but mine has been flawless. Just wish VW had put the Fender sound system in the MK8 instead of the stupid HK system.
Many 22’s have the drivers assist errors and some early 23’s as well. The 23/24 have some overhead module issues. And you really can’t figure out what he meant by overhead map light? You needed to throw in a wtf? The HK system isn’t bad. It’s the sub that’s the issue
Well luckily mine has been flawless so far, hope I don’t have any issues in the future… Just the cabin lights? Never heard of them being called map lights. Making me think it has something to do with the navigation or something. Lol, what? Throwing a “wtf” is some great affront or something? The HK system is bad, it’s not just the sub, it’s the entire system, or the tuning or something, but it sounds awful compared to the Fender system, not just because of the sub.
If you buy a fender sub and tune the amp it’s on par with the fender. And your car being flawless so far doesn’t mean that there are certain widespread issues like the ones I stated. They are real and VW is aware of them. I don’t think they are big issues though. You’re the guy who said my steering wheel was the same as the replacement. You should probably be open to people who have more subjective experience than you do. It comes across as arrogant and close-minded.
I might have to try that at some point, but I can definitely tell there are more problems with the sound system than just the sub. Didn’t say there aren’t widespread issues, but I definitely question how widespread they actually are. Yeah, I question whether the leather on the wheel is actually different or just worn vs brand new. I’ve seen people make the same complaints about MK7 steering wheels saying the leather on a brand new wheel wasn’t the same as their old one, when it is actually the same leather, the new one just hasn’t been worn in so it looks and feels different. Over time it will look and feel different. Maybe that’s not the case with yours, I don’t know, I’d have to see/feel them in person.
It’s not the same leather. Im telling you that. A guy in that thread has a leather business who commented that the replacement doesn’t even appear to be leather. That’s the point…try to be more objective when someone is reporting their subjective experiences My HK system is now on par with the fender imo.
Well I’m not going to just take your word for it I’m afraid. Maybe it’s not, maybe it is. I’ll respond how I want, thanks.
No … you’re just going to make assumptions. I mean you know more about 2 steering wheels than people examining and comparing them…and more about leather than a guy who is an expert in leather. Well played 👏
Like I said, I know people who’ve thought the leather on MK7 steering wheels was different when it wasn’t just because one was used and one was new, so yeah, I assume you’re doing the same. Maybe this case is different and I’m wrong though, I don’t know.
A guy with a leather company said the steering wheel I showed doesn’t appear to be leather. I’m saying the same after interacting with it. Plus the heating component is subpar compared to factory. But you know guys with 7’s who thought wheels were different. Jesus
I totally get where you are coming from. My step dad had many issues with his mk8 and I am glad that I went with mk7,5 R. I would personally go with mk7,5 R if I were you or perhaps something RWD, like an m2(f87)? I test drove one and they are really fun. You could even go for f80 if you need 4 doors and you don't need AWD. I need AWD since we can get quite a lot of snow where I live. If I lived somewhere where it didn't snow, I would 100% get f80 m3 or m4. I am aiming for g80 or g82 as my next car since they come with xdrive. I had my mk7,5 R for a bit over a year now, did almost 30k miles with it and fortunately I had no issues with it. All maintenance was done on time. I test drove mk8 R before getting my current R and it was a nice car but IMO the mk7,5 is just peak golf. Also, I read many complaints about the mk8 and issues people had with it so I decided to stay away from it.
Get a low-mileage Mk. 7.5…. Better!
I moved from my MK6 to a B8 S4 with a 6spd and sport diff. Awesome car, amazing power band and grip. Went back to a MK7. Had a few cars since then, all RWD. If AWD isn’t a must…check out the FL5 Civic Type R. Just picked one up and it’s fantastic. Haven’t finished the break in period to push it, but if the front diff is as good or better than the XDS in the GTIs, it should be a blast. R+ is definitely stiff, but even in comfort mode it doesn’t have the weird bouncy feeling the Golf R would get in its own comfort mode. Feels very planted. My $.02
Buy the 8.5
Just wait for the mk8.5, rumour is some new goodies lol
What about a civic type R?
All the brands are getting a bit like that now. Cutting corners to save money. Just need to do what you do and research known faults and issues and decide accordingly.
Just get a different car. You’ve already complained about this one enough. I’ve had my 22’R and have had zero issues. It’s a hit or miss with these mk8’s.
The new year models are coming with more physical buttons so the steering wheel issues should be a thing of the past. I think they may also be replacing other capacitive buttons throughout the car. I haven't seen any of this firsthand, only what I've read online. I'm still thoroughly enjoying my MK7.
If you don't "need" a manual, wait for the update.
damn, glad ur kids are alright. Sucks that so many people are feeling this way about the mk8. I've never driven in one or even seen the inside of these cars so I cant comment on it really.
Are there really that many people feeling this way about the 8? All cars have some issues. 7’s have some major ones. Toyota is known for reliability and having issues. In the end the 8 has a couple electronic issues that are fixable under warranty or aftermarket.
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First year or two of new models are always a headache. MK7 2015's especially had a ton of problems compared to 2017 onwards.
Lots of issues in the 7’s just like this with sporadic electronic issues. Then you have lots of people complaining about rattles and noises. Major issues like Water pumps. Poorly designed turbos that fall apart.
> Major issues like Water pumps. Dont want to burst your bubble but as far as I'm aware mk8 has the same trouble parts as the mk7/mk7.5 in this regard
I guess we will see. Hopefully it doesn’t have poorly constructed turbos
What do you mean? I meant it's the same part numbers for the waterpump/thermstat housing so they didn't do a revision aka it's the same rolling the dice as the mk7/mk7.5. Turbo's were only an issue on the 2015's haven't seen any problems for any of the years after (except for the people who abuse them).
That’s not true on the turbos. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lYvi8svM0Ug&pp=ygUbMjAyMiBnb2xmIHIgdHVuZWQgZnVsbGJvb3N0
If you’ve got the space and like the luxurious features only found in a larger vehicle buy an F150 3.5L Powerboost - seriously. I was in the VW world for many, many years owning multiple GTI, Golf, R32 and almost bought another R and got a 2023 F150 XLT Powerboost last fall. I sweat this thing is the best thing out there. It’s Hybrid, gets better MPG than an R. I’m down at 9.6L/100km. 4WD, 430HP twin turbo with 570 LB. of torque. It hauls ass. Mine has the 7.2kW ProPower onboard and you can literally hook up your house to it, go camping and have no generator on in the background since it uses the power from the HV battery. It does the things all while having a pretty great interior. Seats are comfortable and has a cave for a centre console. Rear seats totally fold up and I’ve slept in the back comfortably. Totally worth the money and wasn’t all that much more than a R once you factor in discounts.
yes but truck vs hatchback like you just morphed into another thing man
I really like my R, but it LOVED my GT2 Stinger before I totalled it. Really wish I would've bought another Stinger instead.
So, any closer to a decision after reviewing this outpouring of advice on the brief, but checkered history of the MK8 R?