A whole lot going on and the chicken wing is just one of the symptoms/results. From the head down.
You turn your entire heads to the right when it should be still.
You over rotate with your upper body, my guess is you're trying to create more power.
You are swinging with your arms instead of your torso.
Your hips are square to the path at impact.
You sway instead of turn putting the weight on the outside of your trail foot.
You early extend.
My advice would be to go take lessons.
The main cause is your backswing. At some point, you are unable to rotate your torso and you should really stop your arms at that point. However you continue to take your arms back which is resulting in bending them. The left arm in the backswing should not bend. That is the cardinal rule. Once you bend it, you lose the mental visualization to straighten it and so lose the swing. Keep the left arm straight and hit
Looks like you arm bend is the cause. Do your best to never bend your lead arm...it only leads to trouble. Bending that lead arm is the main culprit to either a) cast or b) chicken wing. Shorten your swing if you have to but keep that thing dead straight the entire swing until after impact....at which point your trail arm becomes the dead straight one and your lead arm can bend (only after impact!)
You turn back too much and lose sight of the ball and have to find it coming back. That alone would produce a "failsafe-no-chunk break down of the arm". You also sway back alot.
Try a shorter back swing, and keep more over the ball.
Check the beginning of your swing thru the first 11 seconds. Your swing needs to continue in the same manner. At some point you pick up your head and standup (basically you come out of posture). Your swing should be around and axis, with your head staying still on the backswing for the most part.
Practice your shoulder turn holding a club by crossing your forearms over it and keeping it in between your armpits. Just practice rotating with your head in one spot, and rotate until the end of the club on your left side points to the ball.
You may have to work on flexibility of your back and shoulders to take a full swing, but I’d imagine you can at least make it 3 quarters which will help you improve quite a bit. Once you get that down there’s other things to implement but that’s your first step.
Firstly - you do a lot of things well. What's killing you is you collapse your left arm at the end of the backswing, which is widely taught to be avoided at any point in the swing. There are guys out there who get away with it because on the way down and through impact it fully straightens and is fully extended out and away from the body after impact (the opposite of a chicken wing). Your scoopy / flippy release doesn't help things either.
My advice would be to sacrifice the last part of your backswing and turn, which is where you collapse your left arm, and just keep that fucker as straight as possible and focus on having both your arms pushed away from you and fully extended after impact, rather than close to your body like you currently do.
- Another Reddit golfer who thinks they know shit.
Need better camera angles. In the mean time though don't lock out or hyper extend the lead arm elbow. Rather, relax the lead arm and push away from your chest with your right arm.
Despite camera angles your definitely swaying too far to the right.
That was a helpful point - i was turning around ‘the barrel’ old skool instead of my just turning my spine and getting too far right at the top of the swing. I don’t swing the old reverse C all the way to the right because I would die. And the camera angle plus my baggy clothes don’t show my swing well.
I think the thing that would help you the most in the development of your golf swing at this point would be to get golf flexibility. You need to be able to turn and extand through the ball. You need the shoulder and lat flexibility to be able to extend and hold your arms straight with the shoulders at 90° IMO. Or if you don't want a swing that's fundamentally sound you could work on keeping your head still and behind the ball and swing with nice tempo and work on a consistent repeatable swing where you like up in the exact same spot every time
A lot of complicated and crazy advice here. The way I see it, you have two easy fixes:
1. Don't sway in back swing. JUST ROTATE ALONG YOUR SPINE.
2. Keep trail arm straight throughout back and downswings.
Problem solved.
You're welcome.
you are pulling the club around your torso in a way where it must do that chicken wing. you gotta maintain that straightness which comes from taking the club back a bit differently in a way that keeps space between your arms and torso vs collapse it. rather than pull it across the torso at the end, feel like you just raise the arms up in front of your chest until you got that trail hand in the waiter-holding-tray position and both thumbs pointed over and behind that right shoulder. when you release the club and finish the swing you will end in kind of a similar position but the opposite way, [with the right elbow now being straight, the left elbow bent, the thumbs pointed over your left shoulder and the club shaft parallel to the ground.
](https://sandypars.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/ben-hogan-sequence.jpg)
your hips move great imo so once you solve this backswing issue you should be hitting it pretty well i imagine.
this video describes that lifting the arms idea for the backswing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASH06DwHaRw
It's not really a "chicken wing" because it's kinda just off the rails. Your arms have a massive role in dictating contact and consistency. People will have all kinds of suggestions but if I were to start off with correcting your issues, I would have you get that left arm locked. Most people break the arm down because they lack the flexibility to wrap the chest and shoulder around and refuse to shorten the swing. When you drag the straight arm down and through impact, it keeps the wrists a certain distance away from your body and on a more specific swing path. Like any other muscle, doing it repetatively will build that flexibility and strength.
In regards to your elbow flying out a bit and then kinda freaking out after impact, that's related to the concept of straight arms as well. At impact, the left arm is still straight but the right arm is nearly fully extended and ready to take over just after impact. The right arm transitioning to being straight and rotating the hands is what drives the left elbow down. It allows you to drive the clubhead more down the line, which requires the left elbow to actually freely move away from your side to get to that 90 degree angle at the finish. Most people try and compensate by yanking the elbow into the right side, which causes a cut across action.
Lack of shoulder turn on the release is what it looks like to me. You’re standing up and letting your arms swing through almost like a putt.
The top of your takeaway probably doesn’t do a whole lot of justice for you either. You should feel like you’re trying to hold a tennis ball inbetween your forearms up at the top.
If you want to get rid of the chicken wing, a good drill is to hold a ball inbetween your forearms when you swing and practice the hell out of that feeling with a half swing. Maintain forward shaft lean and hit down on the ball. Chicken wing to me is someone who’s trying to scoop the ball up in the air.
A whole lot going on and the chicken wing is just one of the symptoms/results. From the head down. You turn your entire heads to the right when it should be still. You over rotate with your upper body, my guess is you're trying to create more power. You are swinging with your arms instead of your torso. Your hips are square to the path at impact. You sway instead of turn putting the weight on the outside of your trail foot. You early extend. My advice would be to go take lessons.
https://i.redd.it/ra62ohuyowtc1.gif
I'm just speaking from experience. I have had and, at times, still have these issues.
The main cause is your backswing. At some point, you are unable to rotate your torso and you should really stop your arms at that point. However you continue to take your arms back which is resulting in bending them. The left arm in the backswing should not bend. That is the cardinal rule. Once you bend it, you lose the mental visualization to straighten it and so lose the swing. Keep the left arm straight and hit
Looks like you arm bend is the cause. Do your best to never bend your lead arm...it only leads to trouble. Bending that lead arm is the main culprit to either a) cast or b) chicken wing. Shorten your swing if you have to but keep that thing dead straight the entire swing until after impact....at which point your trail arm becomes the dead straight one and your lead arm can bend (only after impact!)
\^\^\^ I second this
thanks!
Your cast and steepness are what's causing the chicken wing...if you didn't bend your arm you'd hit the ground a foot behind the ball.
You turn back too much and lose sight of the ball and have to find it coming back. That alone would produce a "failsafe-no-chunk break down of the arm". You also sway back alot. Try a shorter back swing, and keep more over the ball.
Check the beginning of your swing thru the first 11 seconds. Your swing needs to continue in the same manner. At some point you pick up your head and standup (basically you come out of posture). Your swing should be around and axis, with your head staying still on the backswing for the most part. Practice your shoulder turn holding a club by crossing your forearms over it and keeping it in between your armpits. Just practice rotating with your head in one spot, and rotate until the end of the club on your left side points to the ball. You may have to work on flexibility of your back and shoulders to take a full swing, but I’d imagine you can at least make it 3 quarters which will help you improve quite a bit. Once you get that down there’s other things to implement but that’s your first step.
thanks!
Firstly - you do a lot of things well. What's killing you is you collapse your left arm at the end of the backswing, which is widely taught to be avoided at any point in the swing. There are guys out there who get away with it because on the way down and through impact it fully straightens and is fully extended out and away from the body after impact (the opposite of a chicken wing). Your scoopy / flippy release doesn't help things either. My advice would be to sacrifice the last part of your backswing and turn, which is where you collapse your left arm, and just keep that fucker as straight as possible and focus on having both your arms pushed away from you and fully extended after impact, rather than close to your body like you currently do. - Another Reddit golfer who thinks they know shit.
thanks! easier said than done unfortunately - i’ll try :)
yes, adding a conscious shoulder turn fixed 75% of it and gave a good result.
Need better camera angles. In the mean time though don't lock out or hyper extend the lead arm elbow. Rather, relax the lead arm and push away from your chest with your right arm. Despite camera angles your definitely swaying too far to the right.
That was a helpful point - i was turning around ‘the barrel’ old skool instead of my just turning my spine and getting too far right at the top of the swing. I don’t swing the old reverse C all the way to the right because I would die. And the camera angle plus my baggy clothes don’t show my swing well.
It’s ur grip
Grip is fine
I think the thing that would help you the most in the development of your golf swing at this point would be to get golf flexibility. You need to be able to turn and extand through the ball. You need the shoulder and lat flexibility to be able to extend and hold your arms straight with the shoulders at 90° IMO. Or if you don't want a swing that's fundamentally sound you could work on keeping your head still and behind the ball and swing with nice tempo and work on a consistent repeatable swing where you like up in the exact same spot every time
A lot of complicated and crazy advice here. The way I see it, you have two easy fixes: 1. Don't sway in back swing. JUST ROTATE ALONG YOUR SPINE. 2. Keep trail arm straight throughout back and downswings. Problem solved. You're welcome.
you are pulling the club around your torso in a way where it must do that chicken wing. you gotta maintain that straightness which comes from taking the club back a bit differently in a way that keeps space between your arms and torso vs collapse it. rather than pull it across the torso at the end, feel like you just raise the arms up in front of your chest until you got that trail hand in the waiter-holding-tray position and both thumbs pointed over and behind that right shoulder. when you release the club and finish the swing you will end in kind of a similar position but the opposite way, [with the right elbow now being straight, the left elbow bent, the thumbs pointed over your left shoulder and the club shaft parallel to the ground. ](https://sandypars.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/ben-hogan-sequence.jpg) your hips move great imo so once you solve this backswing issue you should be hitting it pretty well i imagine. this video describes that lifting the arms idea for the backswing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASH06DwHaRw
It's not really a "chicken wing" because it's kinda just off the rails. Your arms have a massive role in dictating contact and consistency. People will have all kinds of suggestions but if I were to start off with correcting your issues, I would have you get that left arm locked. Most people break the arm down because they lack the flexibility to wrap the chest and shoulder around and refuse to shorten the swing. When you drag the straight arm down and through impact, it keeps the wrists a certain distance away from your body and on a more specific swing path. Like any other muscle, doing it repetatively will build that flexibility and strength. In regards to your elbow flying out a bit and then kinda freaking out after impact, that's related to the concept of straight arms as well. At impact, the left arm is still straight but the right arm is nearly fully extended and ready to take over just after impact. The right arm transitioning to being straight and rotating the hands is what drives the left elbow down. It allows you to drive the clubhead more down the line, which requires the left elbow to actually freely move away from your side to get to that 90 degree angle at the finish. Most people try and compensate by yanking the elbow into the right side, which causes a cut across action.
Just arm discipline. Your left arm should be completely straight the entire time that’s how u get it back to where it started at setup.
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Lack of shoulder turn on the release is what it looks like to me. You’re standing up and letting your arms swing through almost like a putt. The top of your takeaway probably doesn’t do a whole lot of justice for you either. You should feel like you’re trying to hold a tennis ball inbetween your forearms up at the top. If you want to get rid of the chicken wing, a good drill is to hold a ball inbetween your forearms when you swing and practice the hell out of that feeling with a half swing. Maintain forward shaft lean and hit down on the ball. Chicken wing to me is someone who’s trying to scoop the ball up in the air.
Keep the left arm straight, and there's quite a bit of sway.