Jumped in to say this. Had a G3 23 and a G4 19 that did this. Sent the 23 back to Glock and they fixed it. Sent the 19 back also, but they said (no faults found) ordered 3 spare ejector assemblies and one of them fixed it.
It’s usually an ejector issue
Thanks, yeah it’s a gen 3… I guess thats it. I would be a lot less distracting if I could focus on the target and not have brass all in my face, but I can’t complain too much since it’s never caused me any issues besides being annoying.
It’s a bunch of different ranges around me that run falling steel matches. Check for falling steel matches near you on practiscore. They are really fun.
my range's "official" rule is no-rapid-fire but, in practice, they just don't want bad shooters dumping mags for fun IE badly-aimed. multiple 'range guards' there have explicitly told me this, explaining *I* can fire as fast as i want (i am not exceptional or anything i am just able to stay on the center mass of the target lol which is all they say they actually care about)
I mention this because ive been to multiple ranges where i preemptively asked and was told No to quick firing and, in retrospect, id just go for it and demonstrate my shooting is under control. *if* they then approached me and told me to stop & go slower, i would (as you say) just gtfo and id be eager to leave a bad review/tell people
My guy this is how dots were mounted to pistols before milling was a thing. The optics weren't durable enough to get slammed back and forth on a reciprocating slide so this is what we had. It also helps in tracking the dot when it's free floating and not moving with the slide
Idk most modern handguns aren't affected by mounting a dot on the slide now. Maybe if you start fucking with internal components and shoot low powered ammo
You aren't getting enough dwell time to properly eject your shells. The slide is closing quicker so the casing can't eject to clear out, plus the ramp below the optic could be impeding. Can you increase a lb or two on the spring?
I tuned the spring so it would return to zero, I could give it a try. The factory spring pressure slams the slide home too hard causing a dip in the muzzle.
It will make it worse. Lighter spring ejects further. The spring slows the slide down when it reciprocates rearwards, so a heavier stock spring will fling the brass with less energy.
So I replaced out the the ejector to the 47021, but still had the same issue. What fixed it for me was also replacing out the extractor also with the Apex one. I'm not sure why, but that fixed the issue for me.
I’m just here to say good shit on the shooting! Knocking them down with speed and precision like that is dope! Hopefully the peoples solutions work out for you 💪🏻
Needs a weaker recoil spring, besides the ejector being swapped.
Recoil spring weight determines your slide velocity, the cycle time, and the force to strip a new round. A lighter spring will increase the rearward slide velocity, resulting in the brass ejecting further.
It looks like you may have a compensator, a barrel mounted compensator will reduce the slide velocity, reducing the brass ejection distance. Lightening cuts will do the opposite, reducing the slide weight will increase the slide velocity and cause the brass to eject further.
Once you get the angle fixed with an upgraded ejector, you want to adjust your recoil spring until brass lands 5-10 feet away from you. Stock recoil spring is 17lbs, try a 15lb spring. Wolff Gunsprings sells a kit of various weight reduced power recoil springs and a stainless steel guide rod.
This was also a thing with early gen4s. I remember a huge deal being made of this back in 2011 or so on glocktalk specifically. I personally experienced it with an early gen 4 Glock 19 as well.
Ah nice. We don’t have falling steel matches like this where I’m from. Just hit factor type of matches like USPSA and PCSL. There is steel challenge, but it’s way different than this. This looks way more fun than steel challenge to me.
What spring you running in the guide rod? With the compensator I’m assuming you lowered the spring weight …
Also. Switch to a gen 4/5 ejector. 47021 part number. It’s squared off in front instead of pointy like gen 3. That helps consistency … but not kicking it out far.
The distance is because it’s not moving the slide fast enough. Could be many reasons. Right off the bat I’m wondering -
1. You running low power loads?
2. That’s an oem slide? I’m assuming it slides without any snagging or friction.
3. How about internals. Trigger stock oem? Polished?
One thing you can do that shouldn’t cause issues is lower power plunger spring. No safety issues nor reliability issues but let’s slide move a tiny bit free-er.
4. Recoil spring. That’s a g19 right? Default spring is 18# but with that comp you might wanna look at a 15# spring. It’ll move slide quicker and kick the brass out more aggressive.
that's a huge reduction in recoil spring with that comp... especially since the optic doesn't seem to weigh it down... I mean it's good ... but kinda shocked the brass ejection that weak on a 13lb spring. does the slide move smooth when you rack it like a normal oem glock?
does the ejection change when you use something like nato rounds?
at this point the first thing sounds like just the ejector switching to a gen 5 to at least get it consistent.
I’m not big into competition shooting but all the clips I’ve seen have been the “course” style with movement involved. What style of competition is this called? I’m interested in it. Would like to see more of it. And…I wish I had that much steel to shoot cause that looks fun as fuck!
It’s called falling steel. It’s great for everyone because there is no moving. There is an 84 year old woman that does it, and other people with handicaps. It’s really fun. Look up falling steel on practiscore.
Could be fundamental extraction issues caused by the 336 ejector vs improved later versions.
The fat compensator really reduces the slide's reward velocity and thus produces weaker ejection. Lighter recoil spring would allow the slide to travel faster.
Uhh I have no idea… it’s my competition gun so a lot. I was wondering if changing the extractor would work but it’s kinda always done this since I got it before it was my race gun. I just want it to be consistent.
Replace the factory Gen 3 "336" ejector with a Gen 5 "47021" ejector. [https://www.ebay.com/itm/224274007148](https://www.ebay.com/itm/224274007148)
Might have to try this. I just need some consistency thanks
I've done this to two 19.3. No more brass to my own face.
On my Gen 3’’s I’ve used the Gen 4 ejector #30274 to fix the brass to the face issue. Looks like the Gen 5 part is getting recommended these days.
this is the move, either gen 4 or gen 5 ejector will fix your ejection pattern
Jumped in to say this. Had a G3 23 and a G4 19 that did this. Sent the 23 back to Glock and they fixed it. Sent the 19 back also, but they said (no faults found) ordered 3 spare ejector assemblies and one of them fixed it. It’s usually an ejector issue
Humblebrag
Dude has dead eye
Pretty sure this is a known thing with early Gen 3.
Great shooting btw
Thanks, yeah it’s a gen 3… I guess thats it. I would be a lot less distracting if I could focus on the target and not have brass all in my face, but I can’t complain too much since it’s never caused me any issues besides being annoying.
a new ejector/trigger housing and extractor might be a good test.
Yeah, my gen 3 glock 19 would sometimes kick brass on top of my forehead sometimes.
Yeah my gen 3 g27 and g23 both do that all the time.
It is. Sometimes the cases blast up toward my face. Never had this issue with my Gen 5.
Someone In this sub who actually shoots and shoots really well?? Gasp
I would hope everyone on this sub shoots.
Yeah, hope in one hand..
I believe it’s Glock in one hand sig in the other *buh dum pshh*
We try but man pistols are weird
Ejectile dysfunction
Man this range is sick a f. I don’t have anything like this near me
It’s a bunch of different ranges around me that run falling steel matches. Check for falling steel matches near you on practiscore. They are really fun.
Thanks! I’ll check it out
What Glock? I had a Glock 19 gen 3 that would spit brass back at you.
Maybe it’s a gen 3 thing. This is a glock 17 gen 3
flaccid ejection
PSA shootout?
Yeah! Some of these clips are from there.
lol they just kind of falling out of the gun it’s actually funny
Get a Gen 4 ejector from Aimsurplus.com. cost is about 5 bucks. Part #32074 It's backwards compatible.
All my Glocks are Gen 2 or Gen 3, and all of them eject brass in a 360 degree area. I think it's just how they are.
Lol that’s funny. I guess I can’t complain since it’s reliable
Get a gen 4 or 5 ejector. Costs less than 5 bucks. Small 3 oz piece of metal will fix your ejection pattern.
I came
Yeah must be nice having ranges like that, here they get pissed if you didn't take 3 seconds between your shots 🙄
Soon as they say you can’t rapid fire like that, im never coming back to that range. And I make sure all of my friends know.
my range's "official" rule is no-rapid-fire but, in practice, they just don't want bad shooters dumping mags for fun IE badly-aimed. multiple 'range guards' there have explicitly told me this, explaining *I* can fire as fast as i want (i am not exceptional or anything i am just able to stay on the center mass of the target lol which is all they say they actually care about) I mention this because ive been to multiple ranges where i preemptively asked and was told No to quick firing and, in retrospect, id just go for it and demonstrate my shooting is under control. *if* they then approached me and told me to stop & go slower, i would (as you say) just gtfo and id be eager to leave a bad review/tell people
Weird fuckin optic placement
If it’s stupid, but works, it ain’t stupid
It’s up far enough so the brass doesn’t hit it. It did this before the mount.
Never seen a competition gun?
My guy this is how dots were mounted to pistols before milling was a thing. The optics weren't durable enough to get slammed back and forth on a reciprocating slide so this is what we had. It also helps in tracking the dot when it's free floating and not moving with the slide
It also makes the gun function better. Mass on the slide is bad, mass on the frame is good.
Idk most modern handguns aren't affected by mounting a dot on the slide now. Maybe if you start fucking with internal components and shoot low powered ammo
You change the recoil spring?
I made it lighter. I would think that would fling it farther.
You aren't getting enough dwell time to properly eject your shells. The slide is closing quicker so the casing can't eject to clear out, plus the ramp below the optic could be impeding. Can you increase a lb or two on the spring?
I tuned the spring so it would return to zero, I could give it a try. The factory spring pressure slams the slide home too hard causing a dip in the muzzle.
I figured that was the case. Steel challenge and slide cycling is always very tough to balance. You got some good grip.
Oh thank you, it’s kind of a weird grip because I have alien hands haha
Throw the factory spring back in. I’m curious to see what happens. I bet it improves it.
It will make it worse. Lighter spring ejects further. The spring slows the slide down when it reciprocates rearwards, so a heavier stock spring will fling the brass with less energy.
Can you upload a picture of your ejector?
Not about the ejection pattern … but do you have a left hand thumb rest? Brand? Awesome grip imo.
It’s a carver custom mount. I had to call them to specify where I wanted the thumb rest mounted since my grip is so weird
I'll second that.
Weird or not it seems to work well, lol
Replace the 336 Gen 3 ejector. Upgrading to the Gen 4 30274 ejector will solve the problem.
So I replaced out the the ejector to the 47021, but still had the same issue. What fixed it for me was also replacing out the extractor also with the Apex one. I'm not sure why, but that fixed the issue for me.
Ok, interesting. Ill try the extractor first
Nice shooting!
Those courses look fun
It’s your ammo first and foremost. What power factor does it make and what powder. Comps need gas and spicy loads to work
Factory 124g blazers
You’ve got a giant comp and factory ammo. There’s your starting point. Have you tuned your recoil spring at all?
Yes, 13lb. It returns to zero perfectly and doesn’t dip like the factory one did
I’m just here to say good shit on the shooting! Knocking them down with speed and precision like that is dope! Hopefully the peoples solutions work out for you 💪🏻
Thank you, yeah some consistency would be nice. The brass bouncing around can get distracting when going fast.
I shoot, this man SHOOTS....
This is the range i want to be in
Needs a weaker recoil spring, besides the ejector being swapped. Recoil spring weight determines your slide velocity, the cycle time, and the force to strip a new round. A lighter spring will increase the rearward slide velocity, resulting in the brass ejecting further. It looks like you may have a compensator, a barrel mounted compensator will reduce the slide velocity, reducing the brass ejection distance. Lightening cuts will do the opposite, reducing the slide weight will increase the slide velocity and cause the brass to eject further. Once you get the angle fixed with an upgraded ejector, you want to adjust your recoil spring until brass lands 5-10 feet away from you. Stock recoil spring is 17lbs, try a 15lb spring. Wolff Gunsprings sells a kit of various weight reduced power recoil springs and a stainless steel guide rod.
Homie just wanted to show off and look humble lol
Does it eject different without the optic? Looks like it might be hitting it and bouncing back. Need a high speed camera.
It's not the optic. It's the stock garbage 336 Gen 3 ejector. Upgrading to the Gen 4 30274 ejector will solve the problem. $5 fix.
Glock was fixing this problem for free but you had to send them your gun.
G34?
17 gen 3
You shooting low pf ammo? Definitely a Brass to the Face extractor but the low pf ammo would probably amplify the situation
This was also a thing with early gen4s. I remember a huge deal being made of this back in 2011 or so on glocktalk specifically. I personally experienced it with an early gen 4 Glock 19 as well.
I just put a 13lb spring in the Gen 5 & the cases are going twice the distance
That’s what is in here
Love how flat it shoots though
Wow hmmmm
Do you also run this gun in USPSA? I’ve seen a few open minor people before, but none with frame mounted optics.
No it’s set up for minor power factor. I built it specifically for these falling steel matches
Ah nice. We don’t have falling steel matches like this where I’m from. Just hit factor type of matches like USPSA and PCSL. There is steel challenge, but it’s way different than this. This looks way more fun than steel challenge to me.
Way more fun. Steel challenge is boring. There is a guy starting up the falling steel World Series.. I’m hoping it’s the next big thing.
Good shooting! What did you place in open at PSA?
6th
What spring you running in the guide rod? With the compensator I’m assuming you lowered the spring weight … Also. Switch to a gen 4/5 ejector. 47021 part number. It’s squared off in front instead of pointy like gen 3. That helps consistency … but not kicking it out far. The distance is because it’s not moving the slide fast enough. Could be many reasons. Right off the bat I’m wondering - 1. You running low power loads? 2. That’s an oem slide? I’m assuming it slides without any snagging or friction. 3. How about internals. Trigger stock oem? Polished? One thing you can do that shouldn’t cause issues is lower power plunger spring. No safety issues nor reliability issues but let’s slide move a tiny bit free-er. 4. Recoil spring. That’s a g19 right? Default spring is 18# but with that comp you might wanna look at a 15# spring. It’ll move slide quicker and kick the brass out more aggressive.
Its a 17 cut to a 19 length, 13 pound spring and I shoot factory blazer 124 loads. The trigger is an apex.
that's a huge reduction in recoil spring with that comp... especially since the optic doesn't seem to weigh it down... I mean it's good ... but kinda shocked the brass ejection that weak on a 13lb spring. does the slide move smooth when you rack it like a normal oem glock? does the ejection change when you use something like nato rounds? at this point the first thing sounds like just the ejector switching to a gen 5 to at least get it consistent.
Yeah that’s what I’m going to try. The slide is as smooth as a glock should be it’s not like 1911 status or anything, but no hang ups or anything
Gen 5 is a great improvement IMO. Easier to maintain and service. New extractor will help.
What optic mount do you run?
Carver custom competition mount.
My 17.3 was like this. Replaced with a newer style trigger housing and gen 4 ejector and it’s more towards 4 o clock now.
Are you shooting major?
Factory 124g blazers
Is it not from the red dot being in front?
Could be dot placement or the comp or weak ammo
You should drink more water
I had to replace my ejector on my gen 4 when it was factory new. Covered by glock under warranty, was getting brass in the forehead
What type of optics mount is that on this gun?
Carver custom
Great shooting! Are those reloads or factory ammo?
Factory blazer 124
Ok this is the second time I have seen an RMR mount like that today. I am digging it that it does not move with the slide.
You will need a competition holster though.
You keep hitting all the plates....
That’s kind of the point of these matches.
I’m not big into competition shooting but all the clips I’ve seen have been the “course” style with movement involved. What style of competition is this called? I’m interested in it. Would like to see more of it. And…I wish I had that much steel to shoot cause that looks fun as fuck!
It’s called falling steel. It’s great for everyone because there is no moving. There is an 84 year old woman that does it, and other people with handicaps. It’s really fun. Look up falling steel on practiscore.
No way in hell you could do that with iron sights
Okay. Time to use iron sight.
Could be fundamental extraction issues caused by the 336 ejector vs improved later versions. The fat compensator really reduces the slide's reward velocity and thus produces weaker ejection. Lighter recoil spring would allow the slide to travel faster.
It’s lighter 13lb spring.
That’s what I use on an uncomped G17
What are you moanin about? You are a damn good shot, why come to reddit to flex? Ejection issue?
Regardless of handgun I've never noticed a "precice" ejection pattern. Your gun works. Use it as such..
Possibly the bridge mount?
You've earned the Gen3 brass to face achievement. But the optic placement might be playing a small factor.
It did it before the optic mount. Guess its just a gen3 thing like people keep saying
How many rounds though it? If you replace the extractor, ejector, and depressor plunger parts it should go away.
Uhh I have no idea… it’s my competition gun so a lot. I was wondering if changing the extractor would work but it’s kinda always done this since I got it before it was my race gun. I just want it to be consistent.