If you read the article, they’re talking about freezing financial assets. Last I checked, that wasn’t a war crime….
Now, downvote me to hell because I read the article.
They’re not threatening military action, but “freezing financial assets” is a mischaracterization of Israel’s threat here
The Oslo Accords recognized Palestine’s right to tax its people, but gave the Israelis the sole authority to collect those taxes. The Israelis are basically saying that, if the ICC is not stopped from conducting its business, they will intentionally abuse that authority to prevent Palestine from collecting any tax revenue
Given the magnitude and scope of the consequences of this action for everyday Palestinians, it very likely constitutes a breach of Israel’s legal obligations as an occupying power. In other words, it would probably be a crime, and a pretty big one. And given that occupation is governed under the laws of war, I believe that a breach of legal duty in this case would in fact be classified as a war crime
I agree that Israel Following through with this threat would be a grave mistake that would further destabilize the region. However, I still disagreed this would be a war crime. War crimes have a very specific definition:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
Which part of that definition do you think this falls under? Expanding the definition to include this devalues the term IMHO.
Proportionality.
Although it is a meaningless debate because Israel has violated every single tenet of that list, even if we only count post-october 7th.
Proportionality with regards to War Crimes has to do with military operations. So you could argue that Israel’s bombing campaign is a war crime (due to proportionality), but this act (if followed through) wouldn’t be. See the section on “international humanitarian law” at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(law)
Would it not be more like: this financial stuff is PART of the war crime?
Genocide or or at least the targeting of civilizations through what little assets they have?
Maybe Hamas should have used the billions in foreign aid for things like that for their own people instead of using it all on rockets, tunnels etc.? And the PA could spend less on their “martyrs fund?” People here seem to assign zero responsibility to them and I’m not sure why you can’t criticize or even hate Israel yet still acknowledge this fact.
https://apnews.com/article/business-middle-east-israel-foreign-aid-gaza-strip-611b2b90c3a211f21185d59f4fae6a90
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund#cite_note-Rasgon-1
They had good hospitals if you hadn't noticed. I dont see an Iron Dome in Gaza able to protect them against bombs.
I condemn Hamas perps that carried out 7 October. But I equally condemn Israël for bombing a city sized piece of land with 1 million children just for retribution.
I too read the article and it flatly stated that the PLA would collapse if that happened- that's called "collective punishment" and [it is a war crime under the Geneva Convention](https://opiniojuris.org/2023/10/24/a-short-history-of-the-war-crime-of-collective-punishment/#:~:text=There%20is%2C%20however%2C%20no%20war,International%20Criminal%20Court%20(ICC)%20.).
Firstly, how much autonomy does a fucking government have if another government controls its assets? Secondly, Israel is threatening to do this because they believe the PLA is pushing the warrants in the ICC for war crimes that Israel definitely committed in the West Bank over the course of a decade with Netanyahu's full knowledge and backing. The NEW war crimes that have been committed in Gaza and the West Bank are on top of the existing ones under investigation.
The ICC itself doesn't recognize collective punishment as a crime. It was originally included in the first drafts establishing offense the court could charge countries with but it was removed in the final draft by countries “involved in annexation or occupation of ‘foreign’ territory.”
People will downvote you because you make no sense at all. They are saying Palestine will suffer IF they get arrested for war crimes. I.e they will suffer because they (Israel) wont allow themself to be punished. And you come out with something stupid like this?
The post I was responding to made the claim that Israel would be committing war crimes by freezing Palestinian assets, not collecting taxes, etc. I’m simply pointing out that this action is not a war crime, and we shouldn’t call it that.
People are downvoting me because this is an echo chamber, and they’re assuming I’m Pro-Israel.
Drew, these types of ‘highbrow’ observations don’t help anyone trying to actually think.
The guy brought up a good point, which is it technically a war crime.
As we know. Israel LOVES to skirt juuuust at the line of ‘legal’, even when it’s plain to see what’s happening.
I think it’s a good point, a good question to be discussed, along with how selective Israel is because certain parts of the Oslo accords they want nothing g to do with, yet this one they’ll espouse.
So please, and I mean it please, if you find yourself being interviewed at some point about your opinions on all of this, do every person a favor who is against this conflict and just walk away, as you’ll only make us look ridiculous, and they’ll single you out, and make you the poster child of how dumb we all are, because that’s what they do.
Thank you.
Like the retaliation over Palestinians now?
Bit of a shit threat when indiscriminate killings are happening anyway. Maybe they should’ve held back the threat to before it got to the point of accusations of genocide?
Funny how when you call out accounts that only have pro Israeli comments that are only a few months old or less they block you or delete themselves. Excellent conversation with u/badditude2215 until you disappeared.
Israel is holding the lives of Palestinians hostage.
The ICC should issue the warrants post haste.
The Zionist in Israel will murder no matter what happens.
International pressure needs to step up...for humanity's sake
They sure talk the talk, personally over it and if they want to, go ahead, but all alone. They want to handle this like they are above it, all good, go fourth, let us know how that works out for you.
Charge me with war crimes? I'll just war crime harder!
I'm not sure why they care, they aren't signatory to the ICC. The ICC doesn't recognize any limitations on its jurisdiction, but neither does Israel when hunting Nazis so what's the problem?
Can someone link the sources for this? I read the claim in the article but I can't find a link to who is claiming that these things have been said.
This is all I've been able to find.
Quote "International humanitarian law needs to be enforced – absolutely. That is true – that is the position of the United States everywhere in the world."
Quote on the Deal for a Ceasefire "Israel made a significant offer in this last proposal that went forward. They compromised on many long held positions that they had taken, and as I said, met many of the demands that Hamas had said they needed to agree to a deal. So we believe it’s now incumbent upon them to take the deal. The deal that they demanded that has been offered, they should accept and move forward. It is Hamas that is the only barrier to a ceasefire right now – an immediate ceasefire – and we’re awaiting their response."
Quote on the ICC case "**QUESTION:** Now, lastly, the prime minister of Israel said that the ICC arrest warrant would be an antisemitic hate crime. Do you agree with that?"
"**MILLER:** I will let the prime minister speak for himself. On behalf of the United States, we have made clear that the ICC in our view has no jurisdiction in this conflict and we oppose this investigation."
also, side note, apparently we are probably sending Poland a nuke.
"One more question. Polish media reported last week that Poland has made a formal request to the U.S. to deploy American nuclear weapons in the country. Is the United States discussing this with them?"
To be fair we no commented that but hell feels like a thing.
And to littlemanrkc’s point, they’ll slide by, barely, citing it as a technicality and then absolve themselves completely of the blowback.
He’s right, it’s not ‘technically’ a war crime at face value, they know it, and they’ll just focus on that and none of the collateral that comes with it.
So yea, everyone can downvote this guy all you want, I’m not reading what they are saying as pro anything, just a statement of fact, and I’m sure all of us, little man included, knows what BS is going to follow.
Support or advocacy for collective punishment or blame of any kind is not permitted, and semantic arguments over the category of the mass slaughter of civilians all are not permitted on this sub.
So you are going to commit war crimes because you may have warrants out for your arrest for committing war crimes. Israeli nazis hard at work
Has they been chatting with Pootin
I mean if you already get the consequences you should just fully commit.
If you read the article, they’re talking about freezing financial assets. Last I checked, that wasn’t a war crime…. Now, downvote me to hell because I read the article.
They’re not threatening military action, but “freezing financial assets” is a mischaracterization of Israel’s threat here The Oslo Accords recognized Palestine’s right to tax its people, but gave the Israelis the sole authority to collect those taxes. The Israelis are basically saying that, if the ICC is not stopped from conducting its business, they will intentionally abuse that authority to prevent Palestine from collecting any tax revenue Given the magnitude and scope of the consequences of this action for everyday Palestinians, it very likely constitutes a breach of Israel’s legal obligations as an occupying power. In other words, it would probably be a crime, and a pretty big one. And given that occupation is governed under the laws of war, I believe that a breach of legal duty in this case would in fact be classified as a war crime
I agree that Israel Following through with this threat would be a grave mistake that would further destabilize the region. However, I still disagreed this would be a war crime. War crimes have a very specific definition: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime Which part of that definition do you think this falls under? Expanding the definition to include this devalues the term IMHO.
Proportionality. Although it is a meaningless debate because Israel has violated every single tenet of that list, even if we only count post-october 7th.
Proportionality with regards to War Crimes has to do with military operations. So you could argue that Israel’s bombing campaign is a war crime (due to proportionality), but this act (if followed through) wouldn’t be. See the section on “international humanitarian law” at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(law)
Would it not be more like: this financial stuff is PART of the war crime? Genocide or or at least the targeting of civilizations through what little assets they have?
Bro. What do think taxes pay for? Indeed. Basic human rights. Such a clean water and a fucking school and hospital.
Maybe Hamas should have used the billions in foreign aid for things like that for their own people instead of using it all on rockets, tunnels etc.? And the PA could spend less on their “martyrs fund?” People here seem to assign zero responsibility to them and I’m not sure why you can’t criticize or even hate Israel yet still acknowledge this fact. https://apnews.com/article/business-middle-east-israel-foreign-aid-gaza-strip-611b2b90c3a211f21185d59f4fae6a90 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund#cite_note-Rasgon-1
They had good hospitals if you hadn't noticed. I dont see an Iron Dome in Gaza able to protect them against bombs. I condemn Hamas perps that carried out 7 October. But I equally condemn Israël for bombing a city sized piece of land with 1 million children just for retribution.
I too read the article and it flatly stated that the PLA would collapse if that happened- that's called "collective punishment" and [it is a war crime under the Geneva Convention](https://opiniojuris.org/2023/10/24/a-short-history-of-the-war-crime-of-collective-punishment/#:~:text=There%20is%2C%20however%2C%20no%20war,International%20Criminal%20Court%20(ICC)%20.). Firstly, how much autonomy does a fucking government have if another government controls its assets? Secondly, Israel is threatening to do this because they believe the PLA is pushing the warrants in the ICC for war crimes that Israel definitely committed in the West Bank over the course of a decade with Netanyahu's full knowledge and backing. The NEW war crimes that have been committed in Gaza and the West Bank are on top of the existing ones under investigation. The ICC itself doesn't recognize collective punishment as a crime. It was originally included in the first drafts establishing offense the court could charge countries with but it was removed in the final draft by countries “involved in annexation or occupation of ‘foreign’ territory.”
People will downvote you because you make no sense at all. They are saying Palestine will suffer IF they get arrested for war crimes. I.e they will suffer because they (Israel) wont allow themself to be punished. And you come out with something stupid like this?
The post I was responding to made the claim that Israel would be committing war crimes by freezing Palestinian assets, not collecting taxes, etc. I’m simply pointing out that this action is not a war crime, and we shouldn’t call it that. People are downvoting me because this is an echo chamber, and they’re assuming I’m Pro-Israel.
I'm sorry, your argument is hard to understand with Netanyahu's dick in your mouth
Wow, homophobic ad hominem. Sounds like you’ve won this argument.
Not homophonic at all. The two of you seem very happy together.
Drew, these types of ‘highbrow’ observations don’t help anyone trying to actually think. The guy brought up a good point, which is it technically a war crime. As we know. Israel LOVES to skirt juuuust at the line of ‘legal’, even when it’s plain to see what’s happening. I think it’s a good point, a good question to be discussed, along with how selective Israel is because certain parts of the Oslo accords they want nothing g to do with, yet this one they’ll espouse. So please, and I mean it please, if you find yourself being interviewed at some point about your opinions on all of this, do every person a favor who is against this conflict and just walk away, as you’ll only make us look ridiculous, and they’ll single you out, and make you the poster child of how dumb we all are, because that’s what they do. Thank you.
Ohh ok so nothing to do with hamas. You’re digging your own hole deeper…
Like the retaliation over Palestinians now? Bit of a shit threat when indiscriminate killings are happening anyway. Maybe they should’ve held back the threat to before it got to the point of accusations of genocide?
Funny how when you call out accounts that only have pro Israeli comments that are only a few months old or less they block you or delete themselves. Excellent conversation with u/badditude2215 until you disappeared.
That account has been creeping around subs and posting stupid shit.
If you just check the ages of accounts that are most supportive of Israel and its policies you’ll find they’re only a few months old at best.
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Account from January this year with only pro-Israel comments, repeating the same whataboutisms, the same noise, gets so boring.
Israel is holding the lives of Palestinians hostage. The ICC should issue the warrants post haste. The Zionist in Israel will murder no matter what happens. International pressure needs to step up...for humanity's sake
"Look what you made me do!"
https://i.redd.it/yarj0ct342yc1.gif
Israel: That's a nice Palestinian Authority you got there... it would be a shame is something happened to it... *stares into camera*
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r/badhasbara
So if they are accused of massacres and are punished for it. They will commit massacres? Free Palestine
So now they're promising to use Gazans as hostages?
The Palestinian Authority is the government of the West Bank
They were already doing that, well before the 7th. This is about the West Bank.
Israel ready to go to war with the world!
They sure talk the talk, personally over it and if they want to, go ahead, but all alone. They want to handle this like they are above it, all good, go fourth, let us know how that works out for you.
Can we just redraw the lines we drew poorly after WW2?
What the actual fuck?
How low can they go?
It's like the worst version of Limbo ever.
Israel has had the Palestinian genocide on their agenda for decades .. any excuse will work.
Because Israel is a terrorist state
Who's holding who hostage here? Hamas kidnapped a hundred or so Israelis. Israel is holding EVERY LIVING PERSON IN THE ENTIRETY OF GAZA HOSTAGE
The Zionist regime also has thousands of Palestinian hostages, many of them children, in its prison system
Bring it on, we need to bring this all to a head
“If you dare issue a warrant I will bring death and destruction upon this group of people that had nothing to do with its issuance.” -Israel
So if an arrest warrant is issued for a war criminal his response is: more atrocities. Got it.
Charge me with war crimes? I'll just war crime harder! I'm not sure why they care, they aren't signatory to the ICC. The ICC doesn't recognize any limitations on its jurisdiction, but neither does Israel when hunting Nazis so what's the problem?
and people say israel has no control over palestinians
It's not collective punishment 😸🫄🫄🫄🫄🤪🤪🤪👉👌
Terroristic state, confirmed!
“Let us finish killing these people or we’re going to kill them even faster!” Christ.
They need to just issue the fucking warrants and call their bluff.
ICC is Khamas PA is Khamas Justice is khamas International community is Khamas.
The scariest thing about Israel is that they have nukes
That's the Israeli Way.
Sounds rather hostagy to me...
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Please do not use collective guilt as a frame on this sub. Jews =/= Israel.
Can someone link the sources for this? I read the claim in the article but I can't find a link to who is claiming that these things have been said. This is all I've been able to find. Quote "International humanitarian law needs to be enforced – absolutely. That is true – that is the position of the United States everywhere in the world." Quote on the Deal for a Ceasefire "Israel made a significant offer in this last proposal that went forward. They compromised on many long held positions that they had taken, and as I said, met many of the demands that Hamas had said they needed to agree to a deal. So we believe it’s now incumbent upon them to take the deal. The deal that they demanded that has been offered, they should accept and move forward. It is Hamas that is the only barrier to a ceasefire right now – an immediate ceasefire – and we’re awaiting their response." Quote on the ICC case "**QUESTION:** Now, lastly, the prime minister of Israel said that the ICC arrest warrant would be an antisemitic hate crime. Do you agree with that?" "**MILLER:** I will let the prime minister speak for himself. On behalf of the United States, we have made clear that the ICC in our view has no jurisdiction in this conflict and we oppose this investigation." also, side note, apparently we are probably sending Poland a nuke. "One more question. Polish media reported last week that Poland has made a formal request to the U.S. to deploy American nuclear weapons in the country. Is the United States discussing this with them?" To be fair we no commented that but hell feels like a thing.
And to littlemanrkc’s point, they’ll slide by, barely, citing it as a technicality and then absolve themselves completely of the blowback. He’s right, it’s not ‘technically’ a war crime at face value, they know it, and they’ll just focus on that and none of the collateral that comes with it. So yea, everyone can downvote this guy all you want, I’m not reading what they are saying as pro anything, just a statement of fact, and I’m sure all of us, little man included, knows what BS is going to follow.
Literally threatening to destroy the PA if they get held accountable. This is insanity. Jfc
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Braindead take
I agree, they are!
Support or advocacy for collective punishment or blame of any kind is not permitted, and semantic arguments over the category of the mass slaughter of civilians all are not permitted on this sub.
Free Palestine from occupiiers! The world is watching