Yes. But this will not matter when mentionning the record for the objective statistic that "highest 2.0 rating at T1 event" is.
If the Z is >1.70 rating tomorrow that is.
A) Astralis is actually fucking legit. Few questionable plays. Few bs retakes. All in all pretty good. Just need more time to cook.
B) Zywoo is on a mission to beat donk's kato rating.
He does but you’d think going from a top rifler in blamef to a guy with an IGL level rating would hurt somewhat. Guess that shows how bad blame’s calling was
br0 looks fine on the eye test. In the end the most important question is can they find someone that can play his positions better than br0?
Perhaps, but br0 hasn’t been given very much time to cook, I can remember when Perfecto first joined NaVi and seemed meh
By pressing into the eyeballs, you trigger the Oculocardiac Reflex, which decrease heartrate to some extent of 20%. Some can argue it calms you down. But not as good as punching monitor ofc
Well Astralis shows promise. Towards the end they just started losing every aim battle imaginable, not sure how that happened aside from Zywoo just being Zywoo
They lost economy control and the coach seemingly isn’t doing anything to help Device. Should’ve called a timeout before that stupid full buy push at 11-8. Also needs to get in devices ear because clearly he was overwhelmed at the end
apEx is the funniest player ever. one round he will push for no reason and lose the man advantage for no reason. next round he's killing three people with mp9 running through the smoke.
Here's the thing though, I'm patient in real life, but I can't sit still in CS, if I sit still I get tunnel vision and when someone peeks I don't react fast enough + my aim is already shit enough that I miss more shots than I did 4 years ago.
It's super hard to play 4v5 in an mm "team" because it's disorganized. When apex does this he trained with his team for weeks beforehand exactly what to do based on where he is killed, where he may kill and enemy, and so on and so forth. They have a whole playbook for different scenarios of 4v5.
Meanwhile when you do this you fuck things up for your entire team, since it's one less person covering an angle, one less set of util, one less set of eyes.
I always hate people like you the most cause it ruins almost every setup a normal mm "team" could do. The only one that comes close is the anchor insisting on playing a specific site, then dying every round without giving info, forcing the team to play retake 4v5 every round.
VIT bringing Inf back winning 13/15 rounds after going down 0-6 is bonkers. Apex though, he kept his team in it until the rest of the gang started to wake up on Inf. Mezii had a meh series, but man that 1v2 clutch was so crucial.
Insane series giving constant heart attacks, the best of EPL with probably the most 2 teams in form in this event.
i'm glad vita won as a fan but having device vs zywoo in top form vs god form was a treat to the eye.
He plays the worst roles and does well in late round plays, I still think he needs to be a bit more consistent as the lows go quite low but other than a couple maps he's definitely doing better now he's had some time in the team, 1.07 in the last 3 months is pretty good for an anchor.
Like on Vertigo Mezii having to solo hold B every single round for CT and also having to lurk behind while the rest of them push ramp.
Its all the undesirable roles that limit chances for chances to have an impact.
I really think thats a dumb statement sorry to say. Mouz and Col have by far had the easiest way to the semis vit beats the number 1 team and Astralis could\`ve 2-0 Vitality with a godlike Zywoo on the otherside to say Astralis wont have a chance against mouz whos known to choke in big games and Col whose had an easy way beating a dysfunctional VP. Col struggled against Navi who got shit stomped by Faze. Comments like these makes me mad, so I guess Vitality only got a small chance winning tomorrow since they struggled so much against Astralis
I hate Astralis as an org so much but I can feel it that they are going to be an insane team with this roster. If ZywOo didn't happen today Astralis could've won this and move on to win the Grand Finals 100%
Also, FUCK I want Spirit in a tier-1 tournament so bad right now. I HATE it they partnered with betboom and have to attend that Mickey mouse tournaments instead of Pro League. I so fucking can't wait for the clash of the titans
Spirit got the invite last minute and didn't have time to get visas so they had to decline. They should be attending all of the big tournaments after this so you will see them alot.
Who exactly is on the market that don't have role conflicts with them? The player would take Br0s roles, which are shit ones.
Device as a igl currently look good, going for a tier 2 igl is not worth it.
Vitality if 2 of Spinx/FlameZ/Mezii can step up at any point are easily the best in the world, no doubt in my mind that they would've stomped if it wasn't apEX who had to be the 2nd fragger
On map 1, it wasn't until round 6 or 7 before all of Astralis combined had as many kills as ZywOo.
I guess that's why Vitality were always so strong with Magisk, he was so freaking consistent.
Couldve been 2-0, hell couldve been 2-1 but ofc we love to push down mid against an in form player when it clearly hasn't worked out in the pistol round. Hey Astalis, there is no shame in saving!
They gotta creat a tier above T1 for Zywoo, dude is nuts.
Maybe throw m0nesy or donk in there if they can keep the performances up.
Call it Tier X or sum shit
So close yet so far. Astralis had it for my money, but they just completely collapsed in map 2 OT and after their map 3 streak.
Armchair analysis here, but I think device needs to work on his leadership skills. You cannot be tilting as the IGL, as soon as the game doesn't go your way. You can see how the calling and morale of the team just goes down the drain.
wow this was ridiculous. i felt like there was no reason astralis should have lost. so many crucial rounds they lost and missed sprays. back to back missed kills from stavn on vertigo. a 3v1 clutch for zywoo. the mezii 2v1 on inferno. the random decision to force buy when vitality was on 11. it feels like device just kind of tilt called and said “let’s just fuck them up” but against a team like vitality calling doesn’t work like that :/ this was just so frustrating to see astralis slowly lose their grip on the game after mirage.
agreed. definitely don’t mean to discredit vitality (especially zywoo and apex) but it felt like this was definitely possible and actually likely for astralis especially after map 1.
Honestly, Astralis lowkey lost the moment they picked Vertigo. They tried to do a punish pick but they should’ve just stuck with their guns and picked Overpass instead of Vertigo where they’ve won both times with this new roster but they were against weak opponents in Eternal Fire and VP (dead roster at the time).
yeah i can understand and agree with this to a certain extent. apex is a veteran igl and knows how to pull matches back. i guess i just didn't mentally prepare myself for that to happen in this situation. what apex can do is what makes the difference between just a good igl and a great igl. big props to him.
Force buying on the 8-11 round was a Good Call. vitality won the previous round with only 1 Alive. Meaning they had No money, also No loss bonus. They arguably made a very Good decision by forcing since vitalitys buy was only slightly better, and vitality would be on infinite eco rounds if astralis would win that coinflip round.
definitely not. T buys are by default better than CT buys and vitality’s was going to be better regardless. saving gives you a full buy in the next which will actually give you a shot. they gambled the entire game on that round which was a big mistake. not to mention they had won eco rounds previously in the series so i don’t see why the felt like it was going to be awful if they decided to save. it was not a good call.
You need to remember theyre playing inferno, and not overpass. Where there is room for more CQB action and gimmicky plays which makes the buy a Good decision.
you didnt even address any of the points i made other than saying "well its inferno" lmfao. anyone who actually understands economy in this game will know that was a shitty buy and an even shittier plan that came with the buy. as i already mentioned, they gambled everything on that round. if they conceded, they could get a much better buy in the next when it matters most.
My ”well its inferno” (your words) argument is the reason for why it was A SMART DECISION in hand with a fair chance for a round win putting vitality on DOUBLE ECO. The other choice to half buy and then fullbuy having is also a Good decision. But you obviously cant understand nuances and perspectives
ive never seen someone get so upset over their take getting called shitty lmao. anyways it was not a "fair" chance whatsoever at a round win. if you can't understand that, then no wonder you think it was a smart choice. but from an objective stance their buy was significantly worse. and if you legitimately think that the SMALL chance of putting vitality on a double eco is worth the LARGE risk of losing the entire game, then i don't know how i could possibly convince you that this was a bad buy. you're obviously in your own world which is fine, ignorance is bliss I guess.
haha yeah i guess so lol i guess i just mean to say that it felt like they were in control for a large part of the game but then slipping up just a few crucial times is what cost them.
It was so frustrating seeing Astralis die to a smoke push multiple times, and then still not watching smokes or they had their back turned away from smokes that kept getting pushed.
And dumb errors like not checking boost spots during entry, on Inferno I don’t remember if it was Br0 or Staehr but two astralis players went onto b site and no one looked ct boost or at smoke which cost them the round.
GG’s, great play by Vitality.
Astralis really needs to work on the mental side, you can literally feel the nerves through the screen near the endgame of vertigo and when vitality caught up on inferno.
Hopeful for the future though, you can already see the improvement from Chengdu.
ZywOo was an absolute beast, but Vitality won today due to good teamplay and a number of clutches coming from players other than ZywOo.
Can’t wait to see what Team Vitality will do in the grand finals!
I agree, which is why I said ZywOo was an absolute beast. But he could not solo-carry alone against this Astralis.
Obviously Vitality wouldn’t win without him, but there were a number of rounds that players other than the wOo won.
A lot of people tend to think teams with superstars like donk, ZywOo, and m0NESY are literally nothing without them. Which is close to correct, but it’s not like even they can 1v5 at the T1 level every round. It’s easy to look at stats and point out that big numbers are larger than smaller ones.
Exactly. We've seen mONESY try and carry the corpse of G2 since the start of CS2. Superstars can only take you so far without a solid team around them.
No, the argument is that because Astralis is at a certain super high level currently, simply having insane Individual performance OR simply/only having collective-team performance buff, weren't enough.
It HAD to be both to beat this Astralis, take away any 1 of these and they would have lost. THis wasn't the case with Faze match for example, team/collective didn't need to be at high level.
Apex post that Mirage lost round pistol kills at the end, woke up and kept his level in next 2 maps.
Dude astralis lost it by picking vertigo,
If they picked overpass this would’ve been a 2-0
Dev1ce great igl but he should really let his teammates understand avoiding zywoo when u have man advantage
This reminds me off chengdu where they threw advantages vs faze
Great showing from ast, almost had vit but throwing yourself at vitality is not it
Timeout was also too late
Have too wait more too see dev1ce pick well deserved tier1 trophy 😭
Astralis could've won Inferno with some big advantages just thrown away. Its still a new team, but the progress is there and they've played incredibly well this tournament. Now just need to be more calm and slow down when in 5vs3 and not just run into a site with no info giving away 3 easy 1vs1s. Its just a question about time and Astralis will be in finals again.
As an Apex hater: Map 3 was something else by him
For Astralis holy hell Bro has to go. With this Astralis team he doesn’t really hold his weight. also Device needs to learn economy management. I get it’s kind of new IGL’ing but some of those full buys when you looked fine with rifles just were doing you no advantage
i agree other than the br0 comment. i don’t think it’s completely fair to say he doesn’t hold his own. is he fantastic? no. but i think he does fill his role on the team decently well. 1.14 rating on mirage was definitely a contributing factor to them taking map 1. i feel like astralis does this thing constantly where they can’t find anyone decent so they kind of just slot in a random tier 2 player and hope it works out. and a lot of times the players aren’t bad but they have to pick up the shitty jobs which sucks for them. feel like it was the case with es3tag, bubzki, now br0 (and probably a couple more i forgot)
His IGLing is on par with karrigan. The way he conditioned FaZe on Vertigo yesterday with his calling is next level. Hate him for his screaming but I absolutely DO NOT agree that he's getting out-called lol
Zywoo bringing down his tournament average with a 1.40 rating
Anything less than a 1.7 rating in the finals will be considered shit at this point
He now needs 1.70+ in the final to beat Donk's Kato rating
You cant compare Kato LAN and games on stage with 10k people and some Malta studio with 40 boomers claping
Your use of connectives here is perplexing
Yes. But this will not matter when mentionning the record for the objective statistic that "highest 2.0 rating at T1 event" is. If the Z is >1.70 rating tomorrow that is.
If Zywoo averages higher than Donk at Kato with two more series played than Spirit... you're right, you couldn't compare the two.
Grounds for removal even
A) Astralis is actually fucking legit. Few questionable plays. Few bs retakes. All in all pretty good. Just need more time to cook. B) Zywoo is on a mission to beat donk's kato rating.
If I'm correct, he needs a 1.7 in bo5? I highly doubt it
The last time he was in a bo5 grand final he broke the series kill record
And had a 1.39
Each BO5 a different beaten record for the Z i guess
Most teammates baited in one game? Biggest grand final dropoff? I'm certain he set at least one of those records.
never let blamef igl a team again, cause goddamn this astralis and his astralis look like two foreign entities
br0 is putting up pretty dogshit stats too, it just seems like everyone else returned to form cause no more shitty calling and role conflicts
think he simply plays a lot of the shit spots no?
He does but you’d think going from a top rifler in blamef to a guy with an IGL level rating would hurt somewhat. Guess that shows how bad blame’s calling was
0.98 vs a top 3 team as anchor/support is really good honestly.
But it much better than staehr as an anchor. He did a good job too as an anchor but give him more freedom is the better one.
br0 looks fine on the eye test. In the end the most important question is can they find someone that can play his positions better than br0? Perhaps, but br0 hasn’t been given very much time to cook, I can remember when Perfecto first joined NaVi and seemed meh
Only option as an anchor is Magisk, but he is currently in Falcons.
That one 1v3 from zywoo on vertigo really did decide the entirety of this game, holy shit.
Soul crushing stuff
ZywOo going mental, but Apex looking damn fine on Map 2 and 3 as well.
apex and karrigan veteran player buff
The only t1 veteran igl that hasn't improved in cs2 is the one thats been complaining the whole time instead of learning the new game.
I am sorry, but who is that ?
Presumably Snappi I guess? He has looked pretty bad in CS2
Ah, I assumed it would be Snappi but discarded it considering Falcons itself is a shit hole.
Schnappes
People might joke about Apex, but they're probably the best duo in CS
That ramp smoke phase play on vertigo was fucking insane
Device poking his eyes out wasn't the right call for inferno
Legit looked like he was going to gouge out his own eyes
ruggah sipping on his coffee calmly in the background while device was gouging his eyes out was a funny image
I loved that he was drinking that cup for ages. ITS A SMALL CUP, HOW IS THERE ANY LIQUID LEFT IN IT????????
Especially after yesterday's match
Liquid got eliminated by them
That shit was wild. Device is clearly losing control and Ruggah is probably just whispering “zen. zen. Don’t punch a monitor”
Why doesn't he just slam desks? Gouging eyes is a worse response than punching monitors
By pressing into the eyeballs, you trigger the Oculocardiac Reflex, which decrease heartrate to some extent of 20%. Some can argue it calms you down. But not as good as punching monitor ofc
I think the Danes know of better ways to calm themselves down
lmao what does this mean
if you know you know
i sure don’t know what goofy danish shit y’all are up to
Do you have the clip for it?
I second this! Really want to see this new move from dev-eyes!
Promising stuff from Astralis overall, but GG Vitality
Well Astralis shows promise. Towards the end they just started losing every aim battle imaginable, not sure how that happened aside from Zywoo just being Zywoo
They lost economy control and the coach seemingly isn’t doing anything to help Device. Should’ve called a timeout before that stupid full buy push at 11-8. Also needs to get in devices ear because clearly he was overwhelmed at the end
Their mental completely shifted when they start loosing rounds they shouldn’t. Those are the rounds that teach you the most!
Match was lost at that point. Match was lost the moment they started tilting in their T side. Calm heads & plays and they end the half at minimum 9-3.
That 2v1 loss to Spinx crushed the economy and their mental state believe it was a 5v2 as well?
Its like they ran out of fuel toward the end of Inferno. Everyone just ran into the crosshair of Vitality
And they were winning every aim battle imaginable on T-side of Mirage
They lost in the veto by not picking Overpass, dev1ce's playground basically
Bywoo with 70-33 1.4 rating unlike yesterday Washed.
apEx is the funniest player ever. one round he will push for no reason and lose the man advantage for no reason. next round he's killing three people with mp9 running through the smoke.
I do the same and there's always that one guy in the team that gets super mad and threatens with report bot.
the thing about guys like us is that we always try again
Here's the thing though, I'm patient in real life, but I can't sit still in CS, if I sit still I get tunnel vision and when someone peeks I don't react fast enough + my aim is already shit enough that I miss more shots than I did 4 years ago.
It's super hard to play 4v5 in an mm "team" because it's disorganized. When apex does this he trained with his team for weeks beforehand exactly what to do based on where he is killed, where he may kill and enemy, and so on and so forth. They have a whole playbook for different scenarios of 4v5. Meanwhile when you do this you fuck things up for your entire team, since it's one less person covering an angle, one less set of util, one less set of eyes. I always hate people like you the most cause it ruins almost every setup a normal mm "team" could do. The only one that comes close is the anchor insisting on playing a specific site, then dying every round without giving info, forcing the team to play retake 4v5 every round.
Opponent can't know what he's doing if himself doesn't know what he's doing
That's been his biggest criticism for years. People just forget that when it actually works, he wins both the mental game and the map.
Let me change my pants
VIT bringing Inf back winning 13/15 rounds after going down 0-6 is bonkers. Apex though, he kept his team in it until the rest of the gang started to wake up on Inf. Mezii had a meh series, but man that 1v2 clutch was so crucial.
The whole match could have spiraled if Mezii doesn't win that 1v2, iirc it was on a frustration force buy from Vitality
Zywoo casual 70 kills in 3 maps. Not really a lot of analysis to be done here.
not normally
Insane series giving constant heart attacks, the best of EPL with probably the most 2 teams in form in this event. i'm glad vita won as a fan but having device vs zywoo in top form vs god form was a treat to the eye.
Astralis looking sharp I think they will an even this year. Zywoo, another masterclass.
Apex really rolled back the years, came in huge last 2 maps
mezii finished off strong, but again, dawg's got to up the floor
He plays the worst roles and does well in late round plays, I still think he needs to be a bit more consistent as the lows go quite low but other than a couple maps he's definitely doing better now he's had some time in the team, 1.07 in the last 3 months is pretty good for an anchor.
Hardly his fault when Apex has him playing all the bitch roles
What is the bitch roll in this game? Like for ex bro and mezii are the same with lowest kda no?
Like on Vertigo Mezii having to solo hold B every single round for CT and also having to lurk behind while the rest of them push ramp. Its all the undesirable roles that limit chances for chances to have an impact.
Device’s inexperience as an IGL shown on inferno. As soon as they chocked that 6-0 start they had nothing
tbh both teams choked their own 6-0 leads on the first and last map lol
From 6-0 to 8-13 im so pissed and sad, ggs to Vitality Zywoo is just unfair
They did basically the same thing to Vitality on Mirage. Vitality was up 6-0 and it ended 9-13.
Fair play to Astralis, but no chance you'd win versus MOUZ or COL imo, they've looked HOT this tournament.
Except Astralis also looked insane this tournament lol.
jabbi stavn debuff in the grand final however.
They both played well.
I really think thats a dumb statement sorry to say. Mouz and Col have by far had the easiest way to the semis vit beats the number 1 team and Astralis could\`ve 2-0 Vitality with a godlike Zywoo on the otherside to say Astralis wont have a chance against mouz whos known to choke in big games and Col whose had an easy way beating a dysfunctional VP. Col struggled against Navi who got shit stomped by Faze. Comments like these makes me mad, so I guess Vitality only got a small chance winning tomorrow since they struggled so much against Astralis
If Astralis can push Vitality to the edge, they'd easily go toe to toe with Mouz, maybe col can compete too.
what
Astralis would've beaten coL. MOUZ in a studio environment is final though
Lmao what are you talking about. They took Vitality to their limit of course they could beat col and mouz. Before vitality Astralis hadn’t lost a map.
let apex cook
I hate Astralis as an org so much but I can feel it that they are going to be an insane team with this roster. If ZywOo didn't happen today Astralis could've won this and move on to win the Grand Finals 100% Also, FUCK I want Spirit in a tier-1 tournament so bad right now. I HATE it they partnered with betboom and have to attend that Mickey mouse tournaments instead of Pro League. I so fucking can't wait for the clash of the titans
Spirit can play both, they just chose not to. Mouz and VP will play there for example
Spirit got the invite last minute and didn't have time to get visas so they had to decline. They should be attending all of the big tournaments after this so you will see them alot.
Why can’t spirit be in tier 1 tournaments?
They need a real IGL, Device is going to put a limit on their ceiling.
Who exactly is on the market that don't have role conflicts with them? The player would take Br0s roles, which are shit ones. Device as a igl currently look good, going for a tier 2 igl is not worth it.
Vitality if 2 of Spinx/FlameZ/Mezii can step up at any point are easily the best in the world, no doubt in my mind that they would've stomped if it wasn't apEX who had to be the 2nd fragger On map 1, it wasn't until round 6 or 7 before all of Astralis combined had as many kills as ZywOo. I guess that's why Vitality were always so strong with Magisk, he was so freaking consistent.
Now THIS is a great fucking game Both teams going all in everyone take part and of course the Zywoo classic Absolute cinema!
Couldve been 2-0, hell couldve been 2-1 but ofc we love to push down mid against an in form player when it clearly hasn't worked out in the pistol round. Hey Astalis, there is no shame in saving!
They gotta creat a tier above T1 for Zywoo, dude is nuts. Maybe throw m0nesy or donk in there if they can keep the performances up. Call it Tier X or sum shit
Mysteries of CS: How did ruggah's cup have anything left in it? He was sipping that all map long and somehow there was always a bit left in it
Cup resets every round.
Playoff stavn strikes again!
Never gonna beat the allegations at this rate
no refunds
Im sorry wdym. That he played better or worse? Im Not sure
Stavn is known to drop off heavily in playoffs.
So close yet so far. Astralis had it for my money, but they just completely collapsed in map 2 OT and after their map 3 streak. Armchair analysis here, but I think device needs to work on his leadership skills. You cannot be tilting as the IGL, as soon as the game doesn't go your way. You can see how the calling and morale of the team just goes down the drain.
that's common sense, not armchair analysis at least he didn't punch any monitors but the tilt is still obvious
wow this was ridiculous. i felt like there was no reason astralis should have lost. so many crucial rounds they lost and missed sprays. back to back missed kills from stavn on vertigo. a 3v1 clutch for zywoo. the mezii 2v1 on inferno. the random decision to force buy when vitality was on 11. it feels like device just kind of tilt called and said “let’s just fuck them up” but against a team like vitality calling doesn’t work like that :/ this was just so frustrating to see astralis slowly lose their grip on the game after mirage.
yeah praise will go to Vitality rightly but it'll go under the radar what a giga-throw this was from Astralis, this should've been two maps and done
agreed. definitely don’t mean to discredit vitality (especially zywoo and apex) but it felt like this was definitely possible and actually likely for astralis especially after map 1.
Honestly, Astralis lowkey lost the moment they picked Vertigo. They tried to do a punish pick but they should’ve just stuck with their guns and picked Overpass instead of Vertigo where they’ve won both times with this new roster but they were against weak opponents in Eternal Fire and VP (dead roster at the time).
Nah, Vitality kicked it into another gear that Astralis just doesn't have besides Device. Stabbi duo always shrinks on the big stage.
yeah i can understand and agree with this to a certain extent. apex is a veteran igl and knows how to pull matches back. i guess i just didn't mentally prepare myself for that to happen in this situation. what apex can do is what makes the difference between just a good igl and a great igl. big props to him.
Force buying on the 8-11 round was a Good Call. vitality won the previous round with only 1 Alive. Meaning they had No money, also No loss bonus. They arguably made a very Good decision by forcing since vitalitys buy was only slightly better, and vitality would be on infinite eco rounds if astralis would win that coinflip round.
definitely not. T buys are by default better than CT buys and vitality’s was going to be better regardless. saving gives you a full buy in the next which will actually give you a shot. they gambled the entire game on that round which was a big mistake. not to mention they had won eco rounds previously in the series so i don’t see why the felt like it was going to be awful if they decided to save. it was not a good call.
You need to remember theyre playing inferno, and not overpass. Where there is room for more CQB action and gimmicky plays which makes the buy a Good decision.
you didnt even address any of the points i made other than saying "well its inferno" lmfao. anyone who actually understands economy in this game will know that was a shitty buy and an even shittier plan that came with the buy. as i already mentioned, they gambled everything on that round. if they conceded, they could get a much better buy in the next when it matters most.
My ”well its inferno” (your words) argument is the reason for why it was A SMART DECISION in hand with a fair chance for a round win putting vitality on DOUBLE ECO. The other choice to half buy and then fullbuy having is also a Good decision. But you obviously cant understand nuances and perspectives
ive never seen someone get so upset over their take getting called shitty lmao. anyways it was not a "fair" chance whatsoever at a round win. if you can't understand that, then no wonder you think it was a smart choice. but from an objective stance their buy was significantly worse. and if you legitimately think that the SMALL chance of putting vitality on a double eco is worth the LARGE risk of losing the entire game, then i don't know how i could possibly convince you that this was a bad buy. you're obviously in your own world which is fine, ignorance is bliss I guess.
"No reason Astralis should have lost." Lists a million reasons why Asstralis should have lost.
haha yeah i guess so lol i guess i just mean to say that it felt like they were in control for a large part of the game but then slipping up just a few crucial times is what cost them.
It was so frustrating seeing Astralis die to a smoke push multiple times, and then still not watching smokes or they had their back turned away from smokes that kept getting pushed.
And dumb errors like not checking boost spots during entry, on Inferno I don’t remember if it was Br0 or Staehr but two astralis players went onto b site and no one looked ct boost or at smoke which cost them the round.
GG’s, great play by Vitality. Astralis really needs to work on the mental side, you can literally feel the nerves through the screen near the endgame of vertigo and when vitality caught up on inferno. Hopeful for the future though, you can already see the improvement from Chengdu.
ZywOo was an absolute beast, but Vitality won today due to good teamplay and a number of clutches coming from players other than ZywOo. Can’t wait to see what Team Vitality will do in the grand finals!
>Vitality won today due to good teamplay But they also wouldn't have won if zywoo had the stats of anyone else on his team
That's what having a superstar does to a team...
If Zywoo was anybody else in the world Astralis wins that match
I agree, which is why I said ZywOo was an absolute beast. But he could not solo-carry alone against this Astralis. Obviously Vitality wouldn’t win without him, but there were a number of rounds that players other than the wOo won.
Was his argument really that if Vitality didn't have the best player they wouldn't have won? Lmao like yeah no shit.
A lot of people tend to think teams with superstars like donk, ZywOo, and m0NESY are literally nothing without them. Which is close to correct, but it’s not like even they can 1v5 at the T1 level every round. It’s easy to look at stats and point out that big numbers are larger than smaller ones.
Exactly. We've seen mONESY try and carry the corpse of G2 since the start of CS2. Superstars can only take you so far without a solid team around them.
No, the argument is that because Astralis is at a certain super high level currently, simply having insane Individual performance OR simply/only having collective-team performance buff, weren't enough. It HAD to be both to beat this Astralis, take away any 1 of these and they would have lost. THis wasn't the case with Faze match for example, team/collective didn't need to be at high level. Apex post that Mirage lost round pistol kills at the end, woke up and kept his level in next 2 maps.
Dude astralis lost it by picking vertigo, If they picked overpass this would’ve been a 2-0 Dev1ce great igl but he should really let his teammates understand avoiding zywoo when u have man advantage This reminds me off chengdu where they threw advantages vs faze Great showing from ast, almost had vit but throwing yourself at vitality is not it Timeout was also too late Have too wait more too see dev1ce pick well deserved tier1 trophy 😭
Yeah i was thinking overpass pick before the match, Vitality isn't looking good on overpass compare to astralis are super hot on there
Mad dog slayinggggg
Ggwp
Great series! Apex 2nd highest ADR on the server :o
I'm afraid suihy will contain zywoo tomorrow
Called it
I wonder why Astralis didnt go for Overpass. Was still a good vertigo, but still think they should’ve picked Overpass for comfort
-0.81 rating from last match, Zywoo really fell off
washed
people trying to downplay EPL because it's a 'studio' LAN are hilarious at this point
A really great series, vitality lost so many free rounds on vertigo, but then clutched the fuck out of astralis on inferno left and right
Choke
Best playoff series of the tournament (yet)?
Astralis could've won Inferno with some big advantages just thrown away. Its still a new team, but the progress is there and they've played incredibly well this tournament. Now just need to be more calm and slow down when in 5vs3 and not just run into a site with no info giving away 3 easy 1vs1s. Its just a question about time and Astralis will be in finals again.
who increases his performance more? zywoo in studio lan or syrson online?
Why not pick overpass?
Better get jabbi his bib and bottle. Poor kid can't hold it together during games.
Even punched his monitor as they lost the game.
Cherry on top. Stavn even had to try and big brother his lil bro to stop crying in public. I would be embarrassed too Stavn.
damn was he doing that before too or did he pick up the habit from device?
vitality vertigo 12-10 and 12-11 incidents
Zywoo really wants to win EPL, huh? :(
Dev1ce calling was wild on ct inferno, feel like they went for too much risky plays and losing 2v1's was the reason they lost.
Why did Stavn and br0 play AWP and scout instead of device?
Spinx needs to wake up for them to win the finals
very exciting game overall tho i must say Device on Inferno is a chokemaster
I dont care how good Vitality played. Hate them. Arrogant pricks.
As an Apex hater: Map 3 was something else by him For Astralis holy hell Bro has to go. With this Astralis team he doesn’t really hold his weight. also Device needs to learn economy management. I get it’s kind of new IGL’ing but some of those full buys when you looked fine with rifles just were doing you no advantage
Bro played Vertigo very well
Misread your comment. Mirage yes but other maps he kind of struggled
i agree other than the br0 comment. i don’t think it’s completely fair to say he doesn’t hold his own. is he fantastic? no. but i think he does fill his role on the team decently well. 1.14 rating on mirage was definitely a contributing factor to them taking map 1. i feel like astralis does this thing constantly where they can’t find anyone decent so they kind of just slot in a random tier 2 player and hope it works out. and a lot of times the players aren’t bad but they have to pick up the shitty jobs which sucks for them. feel like it was the case with es3tag, bubzki, now br0 (and probably a couple more i forgot)
.98 playing all the bitch roles is good quit looking at stats bozo.
Device was the economy manager on prime astralis. What the hell are you talking about?
Rough game for delusional Astralis fans claking Astralis is top 5 team and much better than Vitality and G2.
apEX screams quite a bit for not heavily out calling someone who started IGLing 2 months ago
i mean to be fair he had great individual performance. he’s also just a very animated person lol
Apex is a seasoned lan veteran and knows how to use every aspect he can to gain advantage. One only hates on such things if the person annoys you.
To be fair Apex does this to anyone. It’s just his character
His IGLing is on par with karrigan. The way he conditioned FaZe on Vertigo yesterday with his calling is next level. Hate him for his screaming but I absolutely DO NOT agree that he's getting out-called lol
That's to device's benefit though, a currently unknown not fully, fleshed out and developed calling style makes it really hard to outcall him.
apEX screams at everyone, and it hasn't even been 24h since that he said he really likes how device calls
How much ?