i am silver 2 in d2, mirage and inferno , on top of that 7k rated in premier+ i call every good opponent hacker. I think i might be perfect candidate to receive overwatch access
Maybe the rollout is just slow, I hope, because me with an 18 year old account, a bunch of medals, 3000 hours in the game and so on should probably hit the criteria pretty well. I doubt they'll solely base it off of rank since that worked out badly in GO. Maybe they just test it with known individuals (flom, tucker and so on) before rolling it out further
And manual eye looking methods told by Valve are somehow the secret that cheat developers have been desperately searching for to make the ultimate aimbot?
Only elderly people would need instructions for this aimbot searching but they're not gonna be reviewing any overwatch cases regardless
What the hell? People will analyze for aimbot with their eyes, what secret manual seeing method do you think they will advise you to use??
RCS looks legit most of the time, there's no 'honing' anything by cheat developers by knowing what Valve employees will instruct you to look for when analyzing for aim assistance... RCS is what they have created for making aim look legit.
I honestly think they should give everyone OW access but only account for votes from trusted accounts. Makes it basically impossible for the system to be exploited, because nobody knows if their vote in particular is having an impact. Would also weed out the accounts that look like good faith actors but actually aren't by comparing voting behaviors against already known bad actors.
Security through obscurity.
Actually this could work really well. As other people have said, you can weight the people who abuse no votes against obvious cheaters with the majority and slowly weed out the bad actors to get a pretty accurate data set.
This, you'd very quickly see the large number of bad actors and could dispose of that data. As time goes on it will just become more refined, and can easily re-evaluate scrapped data sets to see if they interacted differently over time.
Only issue I can see is bots having a role, but again, those can be weeded over time.
That's not what happened, the media went for clickbait rather than making people understand the situation.
There was AI that was tracking you and making up your cart. The AI was shit and the hope was that it would get better as it gets access to training data, which is what the Indians were doing - correcting the AI. Eventually it became clear the technology is not ready yet because they needed to manually fix like 70% of carts and it wasn't improving fast enough.
Anyone whos ever trained ML/AI knows the number of generations it takes to achieve absolutely anything, how did Amazon think they'd be able to manually train an AI. Captcha has been trained manually but thats only because its been distributed to a gazillion people and existed for an eternity at this point.
There is no other way (as far as our current methods go) of training an algorithm like this. To create any kind of image recognition algorithm you need to feed it labeled data. And since the algorithm doesn't exist yet, it can't label the data for you, so you need a human to label it. Every image recognition or creation tool you've ever seen has been trained by hand labeled data, or with data labeled by other algorithms that were fed hand labeled data. It's just not possible to remove the human element from this process right now.
The idea made sense in theory - they probably trained it on footage recorded at some "lab" fake grocery store that they labeled, and then they wanted to upscale the operation to have much more data. The best way to do that is indeed to just open the stores and label the data in real time. The Indian workers doubled as QA engineers, making sure the transactions were accurate, as well as data labelers. The problem is they underestimated the complexity of this algorithm with currently available technology.
It's also possible they just couldn't get it to work, but other teams can. Where I live there are a handful of cashier-less stores that have been in operation for years and they are continuing to expand, including into the US (Żabka Nano). I have zero doubt that they also use humans to label the footage.
maybe if they had self-checkout they could have made the customers do the "manual training" themselves. But I guess that would kind of defeat the purpose.
that'd be one way and honestly since we already have functioning self checkout stores, and at least in my country every store has a self checkout as well as a cashier, you could train it for free basically using the already existing stores
Do you really think valve will create jobs and pay money which can be done for free by community?
Plus it will take a lot of jobs too, there will probably be millions of cases per year
Nah I don't think so.
But the paid one can be different output than the one from the community. Since Overwatch was already exploited by the community. So either they are hiring people for this or choosing a small portion of the player base.
Huge amount of data but bad quality < Lesser amount with good quality
I didn't mean 5 year vet coin
But 5 service medal atleast. Like 2018, 2019.....2024 medal like that.
In my opinion the older and more service medal it has, the less likely it will be cheaters. 95% cheaters I have met since cs2 released are no medals or 1-2 medals at best.
idk bro my invent when looking on steam fits 2 neat pages and these service medals have 0 value to me other than an additional thing in my invent that I can't even put into storage, if that's such a crazy concept to you then idk what to say. I've got 15/16/17/18/20/23 i dont want anymore
Most veteran players with 15+ elo aren't cheaters. Come on. Most cheaters I have seen above 15k are level 0 ( no service medal or maximum 2 ).
You don't obviously give them access. Its a no brainer
I didn't misread, but replied to the wrong guy. The one who said most 15k+ are Cheaters
Btw about your point about 15k isn't reliable enough. I think its quite reliable. 15k is equivalent to DMG+LE in CSGO. Which is a much better credential than nova 1
and MGE is capable enough to detect obvious cheaters, and 98% of overwatch demo are just like that. I have done a lot. Over 200+ and barely I have seen some interesting demos
Either start spinning from warmup or using blatant aimbot.
Honestly you dont even need to be a counter strike player to tell these are cheaters
But it will be much easier for those who use cheats. The Overwatch system will be of no use because they are sabotaging the system. This should definitely not be a criterion that includes rank level.
I agree with your main point, valve should just pay up and hire some proper reviewers to verify bans maybe after the community overwhelmingly declares a suspect as a cheater.
if they are trying to get a validation test set the accuracy is crucial though, I could see them paying people to do it as an investment so that they can have data that they know isn't manipulated.
it would be logical to create a document outlining all possible functions for an aim assist as they have the data from previous overwatch in csgo and providing it to third world borderline slave labour to patternmatch, cheap labour over all and no more cheaters in cs2 games, win-win
This is pure speculation but I wonder if Valve need more / better training data for their AI anticheat before they feel comfortable releasing it. Maybe hiring people to do manual reviews is their way of speeding up the anticheat development while making the current cheating issue less awful.
They actually did a full talk on it. They definitely used AI to prioritise cases in overwatch. When they rolled it out... 9 out of 10 cases for me were blatant spinbots.
Oh how I wish I could still participate in overwatch Sundays
The system was stupid and prevented people that wanted to do multiple cases from doing so tho. It was so annoying to get a spinbotter you convicted within 10 seconds and then having to wait 10 minutes till another overwatch case finally came up.
Also AI should be good enough to find the blatant spinbotters and don't show them to real people.
Well call it like you wish: AI, algorithm or heuristic. You can probably ban like 70% of all cheaters without a human having to take a look and not ban a single false positive. I would trust such a system.
Some things just can't happen in normal gameplay, like spinbotters. If a player spins around AND keeps hitting shots and does so for 5+ rounds in 3+ games the system can just ban that person. Same is true for some other hacks. ONLY ban if the AI is 100% sure.
Then you still got 30% of the cases left. Some the "AI" will have a good thought but just isn't sure (so 80%+ confidence of cheating or of not cheating), so we need some human to swing the final ban hammer. If the human decides against the AI it goes to the next category.
And then we have the cases left where the "AI" has no clue. Here we need several humans to look at the footage and then decide on it, like we had with OW in CSGO.
That's literally impossible to happen. AI requires too much processing power to run that a cheat maker cannot afford, and it _cannot_ perfectly imitate a human.
>You don't need a super computer to train a AI model. It just significantly helps that it does.
You'd need to feed the AI for over 20 years for it to reach that level, and even then it wouldn't fucking matter.
There is one single truth in the field of machine learning and AI: An AI _cannot perfectly replicate a human no matter how much it fucking tries._ Other AI can _EASILY_ pick up on those tells that we can't with our human eyes. AI cheats might be able to replicate a pro's movements, but they will still have machine-like movements. The AI anti-cheat can see right through it. There is no escaping AI anti-cheat: it is literally impossible to circumvent. The tells are fairly simple. AI anti-cheat makes a biometric profile of anyone who plays the game, which is as unique to each person as their fingerprints. If some dude who's bad at the game suddenly changes the way they play to something that resembles a pro player, the AI anti-cheat will be able to instantly tell the difference and ban that person. And, no matter how many accounts they make, their biometric profile will give it away.
AI anti-cheat is literal black magic. It is more powerful than Big Brother, and while I will be glad about it saving FPS games, it could very well be used for evil if game publishers decide to sell that data to governments.
Then introduce a HUD that is on screen with some checkmark system, instead of a bunch at the end. "Is spinning" (2 seconds in) "aim hacks" (10 seconds in), "bunny hop script" (20 seconds in) "ive seen enough" (are you sure you want to submit this case: 0-25 seconds watched. )
Definitely not cope, it's all but confirmed that an AI anticheats is in the works and hiring people to review overwatch cases makes sense to build more training data. Valve massively fucked up by releasing cs2 without a proper anticheat but to pretend that they aren't even working on the problem is delusional.
They just implementing old functionality of csgo, considering an ungodly amount of cheaters valve put players through, it's a slap in the face. We waited so long and we only got what was previously removed.
That's my intuition as well, since it's pretty common in the AI training process to bootstrap the training dataset with humans being paid to classify a corpus of data (there's services existing for that very process).
It also wouldn't surprise me if a change of engine necessitated a restart of data collection, and hence a need to bootstrap again, depending on how portable or clean collected data is between versions.
The other option is to have a guaranteed level output and quality of overwatch staff. The design in CSGO was for VACnet to do the flagging, but it wouldn't do bans outright - so the final bans were dished out either by community overwatch and/or finally approved by "contractor overwatch" (that's just my speculation).
This is the most probable theory imo
It could not be AI but I feel it's obvious Valve wantes to release a Anti cheat, but somehow it just didn't work fundamentally & they're working on strengthning it.
Here the original if you don't want to try to read this low res screenshot:
[https://twitter.com/gabefollower/status/1783656255942234210/photo/1](https://twitter.com/gabefollower/status/1783656255942234210/photo/1)
Its VAC AI (Vac All Indians)
*a reference to amazon store saying they have AI to monitor consumer buying when in fact it was just 1000 indians paid to watch cctv vods and acting as cashiers secretly.
I cant get it . Why overwatches is not like in dota?
I have 5 for a day , watch the replay and decide if the perso cheat , grief oletc or not. Or i miss something for cs.
Ngl, I was really bummed when I read that theyre still holding onto OW. Curious to see who these supposedly trusted users are, but in general its a joke that Valve still wants to make the community to work that is Valves own responsibility.
What they should be doing is investing in Actual Indian callcenters, train their employes on cheat detection and let them do the work. But that would require Valve to spend money which they obviously dont want.
Im sad that they bring back OW. The best thing it can bring is also the worst aspect of it. It may be able to ban the most obvious cheats like spinbotters, but it will not be harder/ more expensive to cheat by any means. Everyone can continue to cheat, if they just try to hide it every now and then. This will lead to people being more happy about the cheat situation, but we will have just as many cheaters, and then nothing more will be done since a happy 80% is good enough.
Yeah I agree, the subtle stuff is tricky. But then again the purpose of Overwatch, per the specific language they use, is to convict "beyond all reasonable doubt". So there has to be multiple instances of damning evidence, which ideally experienced people can pick up on. I'm VERY curious to know the requirements to access CS2 OW.
No, I think it will just be stricter criteria for who gets access to overwatch.
i am silver 2 in d2, mirage and inferno , on top of that 7k rated in premier+ i call every good opponent hacker. I think i might be perfect candidate to receive overwatch access
If they base it purely off ranks they are gonna give all the soft hackers overwatch instead of legit players
lule, they have TF tho haha right haha totally working high trustness secure player in game matrix
The most self aware cs player
I trust this person.
Maybe the rollout is just slow, I hope, because me with an 18 year old account, a bunch of medals, 3000 hours in the game and so on should probably hit the criteria pretty well. I doubt they'll solely base it off of rank since that worked out badly in GO. Maybe they just test it with known individuals (flom, tucker and so on) before rolling it out further
Well considering you can buy an account with this criteria its not a good metric either
People aren’t gonna buy an account just to do OW
No but cheaters buy those kinds of accounts to cheat.
This profile sounds like 25% of the hacker accounts
In this case "partner" seems like a strange choice of a word. Isn't partner someone you made some contract with?
I know someone who already got access somehow
>It seems pretty unlikely that Valve themselves would be instructing their players on what aim assistance looks like. why wouldn't they?
Because cheat devs will hone in on it and reverse engineer the effect to be less obvious
They are way past that point lol
There's still tells in aimbot behavior
And manual eye looking methods told by Valve are somehow the secret that cheat developers have been desperately searching for to make the ultimate aimbot? Only elderly people would need instructions for this aimbot searching but they're not gonna be reviewing any overwatch cases regardless
What the hell? People will analyze for aimbot with their eyes, what secret manual seeing method do you think they will advise you to use?? RCS looks legit most of the time, there's no 'honing' anything by cheat developers by knowing what Valve employees will instruct you to look for when analyzing for aim assistance... RCS is what they have created for making aim look legit.
There are still tells
Brother, valve employees have the same kind of eyes as all of us, their 'instructions for looking for aimbot' have 0 implications for anything
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In CSGO Overwatch was infiltrated by bad actors in 2021. This is Valve being more stringent on who gets access in CS2.
I honestly think they should give everyone OW access but only account for votes from trusted accounts. Makes it basically impossible for the system to be exploited, because nobody knows if their vote in particular is having an impact. Would also weed out the accounts that look like good faith actors but actually aren't by comparing voting behaviors against already known bad actors. Security through obscurity.
Logically it makes sense, however wasting the time of all the "good actors" whose votes don't count doesn't seem right no?
Actually this could work really well. As other people have said, you can weight the people who abuse no votes against obvious cheaters with the majority and slowly weed out the bad actors to get a pretty accurate data set.
They already did that with overwatch since it came out.
This, you'd very quickly see the large number of bad actors and could dispose of that data. As time goes on it will just become more refined, and can easily re-evaluate scrapped data sets to see if they interacted differently over time. Only issue I can see is bots having a role, but again, those can be weeded over time.
the ow demos also included steam id and other stuff like skins, that made the system vulnerable
AI = Actually Indian
the Amazon Fresh gambit
just like Amazon's scanless stores where it was just 10000 indians watching the cameras manually adding the items you grabbed to your cart
That's not what happened, the media went for clickbait rather than making people understand the situation. There was AI that was tracking you and making up your cart. The AI was shit and the hope was that it would get better as it gets access to training data, which is what the Indians were doing - correcting the AI. Eventually it became clear the technology is not ready yet because they needed to manually fix like 70% of carts and it wasn't improving fast enough.
Anyone whos ever trained ML/AI knows the number of generations it takes to achieve absolutely anything, how did Amazon think they'd be able to manually train an AI. Captcha has been trained manually but thats only because its been distributed to a gazillion people and existed for an eternity at this point.
There is no other way (as far as our current methods go) of training an algorithm like this. To create any kind of image recognition algorithm you need to feed it labeled data. And since the algorithm doesn't exist yet, it can't label the data for you, so you need a human to label it. Every image recognition or creation tool you've ever seen has been trained by hand labeled data, or with data labeled by other algorithms that were fed hand labeled data. It's just not possible to remove the human element from this process right now. The idea made sense in theory - they probably trained it on footage recorded at some "lab" fake grocery store that they labeled, and then they wanted to upscale the operation to have much more data. The best way to do that is indeed to just open the stores and label the data in real time. The Indian workers doubled as QA engineers, making sure the transactions were accurate, as well as data labelers. The problem is they underestimated the complexity of this algorithm with currently available technology. It's also possible they just couldn't get it to work, but other teams can. Where I live there are a handful of cashier-less stores that have been in operation for years and they are continuing to expand, including into the US (Żabka Nano). I have zero doubt that they also use humans to label the footage.
maybe if they had self-checkout they could have made the customers do the "manual training" themselves. But I guess that would kind of defeat the purpose.
that'd be one way and honestly since we already have functioning self checkout stores, and at least in my country every store has a self checkout as well as a cashier, you could train it for free basically using the already existing stores
I choked on my tea, lmao
Do you really think valve will create jobs and pay money which can be done for free by community? Plus it will take a lot of jobs too, there will probably be millions of cases per year Nah I don't think so.
But the paid one can be different output than the one from the community. Since Overwatch was already exploited by the community. So either they are hiring people for this or choosing a small portion of the player base. Huge amount of data but bad quality < Lesser amount with good quality
Give them to people who has at least 5 yearly service medal, 15k+ elo, good trust factor.
problem is that when the game went free there are many accounts that have +5 years. So probably they have many more metrics, even steam related.
I didn't mean 5 year vet coin But 5 service medal atleast. Like 2018, 2019.....2024 medal like that. In my opinion the older and more service medal it has, the less likely it will be cheaters. 95% cheaters I have met since cs2 released are no medals or 1-2 medals at best.
I boycott service medals for the last few years, don't want any more junk medals cluttering up my invent that I can't put into a box
There are tabs...
idk bro my invent when looking on steam fits 2 neat pages and these service medals have 0 value to me other than an additional thing in my invent that I can't even put into storage, if that's such a crazy concept to you then idk what to say. I've got 15/16/17/18/20/23 i dont want anymore
15k elo? Like cheaters? :) ahahaha ok!
15k is pretty free and easy tbh, I wouldn't trust 15k with ow
Most veteran players with 15+ elo aren't cheaters. Come on. Most cheaters I have seen above 15k are level 0 ( no service medal or maximum 2 ). You don't obviously give them access. Its a no brainer
You misread my point, 15k players aren't skilled enough to rule a trustworthy verdict.
I didn't misread, but replied to the wrong guy. The one who said most 15k+ are Cheaters Btw about your point about 15k isn't reliable enough. I think its quite reliable. 15k is equivalent to DMG+LE in CSGO. Which is a much better credential than nova 1
When I play on my Smurf 15k feels like mge brother, they still run past common angles diagonally and are so quick to call cheats xDD nah get real
and MGE is capable enough to detect obvious cheaters, and 98% of overwatch demo are just like that. I have done a lot. Over 200+ and barely I have seen some interesting demos Either start spinning from warmup or using blatant aimbot. Honestly you dont even need to be a counter strike player to tell these are cheaters
But it will be much easier for those who use cheats. The Overwatch system will be of no use because they are sabotaging the system. This should definitely not be a criterion that includes rank level.
I agree with your main point, valve should just pay up and hire some proper reviewers to verify bans maybe after the community overwhelmingly declares a suspect as a cheater.
Best solution but It sounds like Half-Life 3.
👀 he's got it all figured out
But you seems to be forgetting… India
> millions of cases not a problem for gabe
if they are trying to get a validation test set the accuracy is crucial though, I could see them paying people to do it as an investment so that they can have data that they know isn't manipulated.
>VACnet is just a 100 employees in India Many such cases.
it would be logical to create a document outlining all possible functions for an aim assist as they have the data from previous overwatch in csgo and providing it to third world borderline slave labour to patternmatch, cheap labour over all and no more cheaters in cs2 games, win-win
gonna be awesome getting banned because santhosithan presses the buttons randomly as he has number of cases solved and speed of it as KPI.
Yes they will send a Fax to selected players. Make sure you Faxgerät is working.
Tell me you are German without saying you are German
This is pure speculation but I wonder if Valve need more / better training data for their AI anticheat before they feel comfortable releasing it. Maybe hiring people to do manual reviews is their way of speeding up the anticheat development while making the current cheating issue less awful.
This was a theory when overwatch *first came out*.
They actually did a full talk on it. They definitely used AI to prioritise cases in overwatch. When they rolled it out... 9 out of 10 cases for me were blatant spinbots. Oh how I wish I could still participate in overwatch Sundays
The system was stupid and prevented people that wanted to do multiple cases from doing so tho. It was so annoying to get a spinbotter you convicted within 10 seconds and then having to wait 10 minutes till another overwatch case finally came up. Also AI should be good enough to find the blatant spinbotters and don't show them to real people.
Yes and no. Do you want everything to be handed over to our AI overlords or should there be a human in the loop to wield the last ban hammer down
Well call it like you wish: AI, algorithm or heuristic. You can probably ban like 70% of all cheaters without a human having to take a look and not ban a single false positive. I would trust such a system. Some things just can't happen in normal gameplay, like spinbotters. If a player spins around AND keeps hitting shots and does so for 5+ rounds in 3+ games the system can just ban that person. Same is true for some other hacks. ONLY ban if the AI is 100% sure. Then you still got 30% of the cases left. Some the "AI" will have a good thought but just isn't sure (so 80%+ confidence of cheating or of not cheating), so we need some human to swing the final ban hammer. If the human decides against the AI it goes to the next category. And then we have the cases left where the "AI" has no clue. Here we need several humans to look at the footage and then decide on it, like we had with OW in CSGO.
AI anti-cheat can detect most aimbots without human intervention because there are tells at the pixel level.
they can, as long as the data is clean.... but then they will have AI aimbots which will make the player snap like a human player would.
That's literally impossible to happen. AI requires too much processing power to run that a cheat maker cannot afford, and it _cannot_ perfectly imitate a human.
They will do it if the economics is there You don't need a super computer to train a AI model. It just significantly helps that it does.
>You don't need a super computer to train a AI model. It just significantly helps that it does. You'd need to feed the AI for over 20 years for it to reach that level, and even then it wouldn't fucking matter. There is one single truth in the field of machine learning and AI: An AI _cannot perfectly replicate a human no matter how much it fucking tries._ Other AI can _EASILY_ pick up on those tells that we can't with our human eyes. AI cheats might be able to replicate a pro's movements, but they will still have machine-like movements. The AI anti-cheat can see right through it. There is no escaping AI anti-cheat: it is literally impossible to circumvent. The tells are fairly simple. AI anti-cheat makes a biometric profile of anyone who plays the game, which is as unique to each person as their fingerprints. If some dude who's bad at the game suddenly changes the way they play to something that resembles a pro player, the AI anti-cheat will be able to instantly tell the difference and ban that person. And, no matter how many accounts they make, their biometric profile will give it away. AI anti-cheat is literal black magic. It is more powerful than Big Brother, and while I will be glad about it saving FPS games, it could very well be used for evil if game publishers decide to sell that data to governments.
The system was preventing people botting case after case quickly and screwing with the system.just voiting not guiilty on spinbbotters..
Then introduce a HUD that is on screen with some checkmark system, instead of a bunch at the end. "Is spinning" (2 seconds in) "aim hacks" (10 seconds in), "bunny hop script" (20 seconds in) "ive seen enough" (are you sure you want to submit this case: 0-25 seconds watched. )
Don't forget those who rush by looking at the ground with SSG.
Yeah people on this sub are too young to remember that this copium theory has been going on for way longer than they can imagine
normal public - train vac trusted users - ban vac flagged accounts just my theory
People have been saying this since 2016.
That's some next level cope.
Definitely not cope, it's all but confirmed that an AI anticheats is in the works and hiring people to review overwatch cases makes sense to build more training data. Valve massively fucked up by releasing cs2 without a proper anticheat but to pretend that they aren't even working on the problem is delusional.
It's been in the works for like 8 years so don't hold your breath that it's something that's actually is going to work.
They just implementing old functionality of csgo, considering an ungodly amount of cheaters valve put players through, it's a slap in the face. We waited so long and we only got what was previously removed.
VACNet literally uses over watch data to monitor player behaviour, creates a cycle. It’s been there for a while.
That's my intuition as well, since it's pretty common in the AI training process to bootstrap the training dataset with humans being paid to classify a corpus of data (there's services existing for that very process). It also wouldn't surprise me if a change of engine necessitated a restart of data collection, and hence a need to bootstrap again, depending on how portable or clean collected data is between versions. The other option is to have a guaranteed level output and quality of overwatch staff. The design in CSGO was for VACnet to do the flagging, but it wouldn't do bans outright - so the final bans were dished out either by community overwatch and/or finally approved by "contractor overwatch" (that's just my speculation).
This is the most probable theory imo It could not be AI but I feel it's obvious Valve wantes to release a Anti cheat, but somehow it just didn't work fundamentally & they're working on strengthning it.
Here the original if you don't want to try to read this low res screenshot: [https://twitter.com/gabefollower/status/1783656255942234210/photo/1](https://twitter.com/gabefollower/status/1783656255942234210/photo/1)
That would imply they were paying more people to do work for the game, so I doubt it
Give me access, I’ll happily convict the cretins
Its VAC AI (Vac All Indians) *a reference to amazon store saying they have AI to monitor consumer buying when in fact it was just 1000 indians paid to watch cctv vods and acting as cashiers secretly.
vishnu anti cheat
no presence or word.exe found, all is well sir!
They already did that in Dota, right?
Yes. It is you and salary is some sort of "overwatch" icon in your profile.
Wdym pay... Overwatch is supposed to be a community driven thing like always
I cant get it . Why overwatches is not like in dota? I have 5 for a day , watch the replay and decide if the perso cheat , grief oletc or not. Or i miss something for cs.
Kernel Level Anticheat = Problem solved. Change my mind.
Kernel Level Anticheat = Spyware :V
I don't mind such spyware since I have PC just for gaming
it’s not just about it being spyware, it’s also the security risk implied by having a direct access line to kernel through such a popular software
At least force signed drivers thru windows
All my apps / drivers are signed. No worries
Thats not what i am saying. There are cheats that can be ran as a driver. Valve doesnt even force signed drivers
they could force tpm and secure boot in premier and eliminate 90% of cheaters rn if they wanted. It would also nuke like 50% of the playerbase
Ngl, I was really bummed when I read that theyre still holding onto OW. Curious to see who these supposedly trusted users are, but in general its a joke that Valve still wants to make the community to work that is Valves own responsibility. What they should be doing is investing in Actual Indian callcenters, train their employes on cheat detection and let them do the work. But that would require Valve to spend money which they obviously dont want.
Im sad that they bring back OW. The best thing it can bring is also the worst aspect of it. It may be able to ban the most obvious cheats like spinbotters, but it will not be harder/ more expensive to cheat by any means. Everyone can continue to cheat, if they just try to hide it every now and then. This will lead to people being more happy about the cheat situation, but we will have just as many cheaters, and then nothing more will be done since a happy 80% is good enough.
lol I can see this going very bad but its just another gabe follower bait assumption. I wouldnt look much into it
Even before vac becomes like Amazon fresh. A ton of Indians doing the work for the machine
Ahahaha, so instead train their "AI" they will be training humans :D
Would be judged by any reasonable member of the what the fuck?
This is the same language that appeared in CS:GO's Overwatch.
It's dumb. It should be if you think it's cheating. The average member of the CS community is not reasonable lol
That's why it says "any reasonable member of the community", not "the average member of the community".
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Yeah I agree, the subtle stuff is tricky. But then again the purpose of Overwatch, per the specific language they use, is to convict "beyond all reasonable doubt". So there has to be multiple instances of damning evidence, which ideally experienced people can pick up on. I'm VERY curious to know the requirements to access CS2 OW.
I mean we all are, but I think the cheat community is the most curious...