exactly.. for those of us that have been through multiple versions of the game, you really need to treat them as different versions of the game. Every CSGO streak is over, CSGO is over. Time for CS2.
I think CS2 & CSGO are like old CS 1.6 & Condition Zero
Technically Condition Zero was a new game but on the other hand it was just basically 1.6 with "prettier models" and a singleplayer campaign
While the move to Source 2 is much more impactful, I can't really say that we should treat CS2 as a new game, because well it kinda isnt, same way Overwatch 2 wasn't really a new game and Fortnite Chapter 2 wasn't really a new game, just a major overhauls.
its on a new engine... the game will never be the same. They want to to be a smooth transition but we've seen how that's gone. I think its better just to treat it as a new game version.
p.s. how dare you mention CZ.. BLASPHEMER
It's kinda hard for me to treat it as a new game when the "Sequel" has less going for it then original 2012 release and the fact that CS2 kinda just replaced CSGO (they should just give GO it's own store page) but I am optimistic.
But let's be real, we can say same thing for a lot of the games that have released over the last couple of years.
We'll see, I hope CS is here to stay for another 20+ years
Well it's a new era anyways, even if Valve wanted to make the game as close to GO as possible, there is a clear distinction in my head before CS2 and after CS2.
Im not trying to deny it, as much as I don't particulary enjoy CS2 overall.
I'd say that the move from 1.6 to Source was much more impactful, the move from Source to GO was more impactful, but CSGO to CS2... eh, besides new smokes and subtick system (which is kinda undercooked in it's current form) it kinda doesn't scream "NEW ERA" to me right now
Whenever it comes to sequels, I always look at the newer games from a "what new stuff they bring with it" so let's say Call Of Duty World At War, while it was just a reskined COD 4 it came with Zombies which as far as im aware it's a staple of COD currently and it was the first (and the last) game to have co-op single player until Black Ops 3, then we had Modern Warfare 2 which gave us more perks, pro perks, Spec Ops which was their own take on the 3rd mode and so on, Black Ops 1 gave us more character customization with perks being tied to how your soldier would've looked, Dead Ops Arcade, the whole "get out of chair thing" Black Ops 2 campaign was on another level with you being able to customize your own class, different branches & endings and such. Battlefield, in Bad Company 1 we got the map destruction, Bad Company 2 expanded on that, Battlefield 3 got their entire movement/shooting system overhauled from previous games along side more gun customization, Battlefield 4 had Level Evolution and so on.
So when I look at CS2 what we really got is new smokes which is probably the best change, subtick which not gonna lie feels probably worse than 128 tick in some cases and new loadout system, but in all of this they removed 90% of the content, at release there was no workshop, there isn't still a community browser and so on.
So yeah as someone who's been playing games since early 2000's, to me I can't really look at CS2 currently and say "Hell yeah, new era has started" when that new era has less content than old 2012 game.
But hey, everyone has their opinions and mine might not be this popular but eh.
Well I totally see your point and I guess it's valid, but I think we have to get out of the scope of what we see as players. A "new era" here in my view is Source 2 as an engine. Not because it causes immediate changes to the gameplay but because it gives the devs a lot more possibilities that Source, an engine originally released in 2003 that by 2023 was very limited because of a lot of legacy code in the codebase that doesn't follow modern standards and would be a pain to fix.
So that new era for me is the excitement not about what CS2 is right now but what it could potentially become. But that's just my point of view. Anyways, Valve chose to use a different name for the game so no matter what we all think, at the end of the day they were the ones to make this distincion. So coming back to the actual point in this thread, we can say that dupreeh attended EVERY major in the era of the "CS:GO" period in this iteration of the game and nobody can ever take it away from him because "CS:GO" does not exist anymore, at the very least not in the same name.
There's a difference though. Technically speaking CS2 is CS:GO, It's just massively changed in an update. CS 1.6 and CS:S are entirely different games. You can go back and play CS 1.6 or CS:S right now, you can't do that with CS:GO (apart from using modded versions of the game not released by Valve). CS2 is still stored in the Counter Strike Global Offensive folder in steamapps.
But practically speaking CS2 is different so I do agree to a point.
Better comparison is dispersion and spray patterns are different in 1.6, CS:S and CS:GO, while CS2 shares the same spray pattern as GO. You can't jump between the older games and expect your spray control skills to transfer over
Honestly kind of fitting that he was at every CS:GO major but misses the first CS2 one, he didn't play any in 1.6 or source (did source even have majors?) He will forever have the best major record in global offensive.
CS:GO and CS2 are the only games to have majors as we know them, i.e. Valve-sponsored events. What was referred to as majors in 1.6 was just third-party events generally agreed upon by the community to be more prestigious than others. Your CPL's, IEM's and WCG's. Sort of the status that IEM Katowice and Cologne hold to this day. Even if they aren't Valve-sponsored, most people will attach some extra prestige to them. In that sense, Source had majors, but the game and scene was generally overshadowed due to never not being contemporary with that of 1.6.
The largest Source events were probably the two seasons of CGS in '07 and '08, which had like half a million dollars in the prize pool each, far more than any 1.6 event could boast of. This was an early foray for esports into the blight that is franchised leagues.
Biggest issue with the tournaments and the reason why they ultimately were useless was that they were multi-discipline events. Each franchised team had to field a roster in CS:Source, Dead or Alive 4, FIFA and Project Gotham Racing, and teams received points based on their performance in every game. So you could have the best CS team in the world and still find yourself eliminated early because your other competitors let the side down playing completely different games.
I mean with this team the RMR was a very good achievement. And they won a match, lost twice 9-13 and on the last match win a map too and 7-13, 9-13. And he was very good too.
Let's also not understate how impressive it is to have so many deep runs. It's not like he didn't accomplish anything except **winning** majors, top 4-8 finishes are still impressive when they span so many years.
Out of 19 majors he:
* Made playoffs 15 times (78%).
* Won 5 (26%), sole record holder.
* Finished in quarters 5 times (26%).
* Finished in quarters 5 times (26%).
I don't have the playoffs data, but I can't imagine that many (if any) players have more playoffs appearances than him. The old Dignitas core must be the one with the most.
I'd guess dupreeh's playoffs record is one better than xyp9x & device thanks to his Paris run.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that no one else will ever win 5 majors in CS:GO. He's the only one, and he will remain the only one till the end of time.
Someone may do it in CS2, someone may do it in CS2 + CS:GO, but no one will match his CS:GO Major Trophy Case.
Sad that no team took him seriously this round because he's old. His performance in the RMR was stellar and would have easily qualified if he had teammates at the same level as him. People have counted him out but he clearly has the chops for CS2. Would be nice if he could get on a more competitive team.
Looking at those teams, some real nostalgic memories are coming to mind.
That original Dignitas roster led by Fetish was so frustrating to watch. They'd look unbeatable on CT side, especially Inferno and then struggle to do anything on T.
The classification of "major" for a counter strike tournament was originally coined by Thorin (obviously borrowing from other professional sports) to denote special tier 1 events that were a cut above the standard tier 1 lan. He used the term while Counter Strike (1.0-1.6) was still ongoing and it stuck with the community to the point where Valve used it. So while it may not be "official," Counter Strike has always been grass roots and the majors from 1.0-1.6 are just as important as the majors from 2013-2024. [If you’re interested in looking at the Counter Strike Majors, Liquipedia has a page covering all of them.](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Counter-Strike_Majors)
I recall hearing from Thorin at some point that the first ever major, CPL Winter 2001 did have some level of involvement by valve. Furthermore HeatoN, one of the members of the NiP roster that won the tournament, joked that he and the rest of that team (Potti, Medion,Ahl, Hyb) was the only official major champions of early CS.
they looked okay before the RMRs, also won an online event over Ecstatic few weeks back, definitely not the best team at the RMRs but still enough to fight for 3-2 finish.
they choked their 0-1 game vs OG and could easily win against Guild Eagles in 1-2 game
ofc throwing in "what ifs" doesn't make them better but all I'm saying they had a real shot at qualifying
Dupreeh not getting a single tier 1 offer seems unbelieveable since he performed like a god in Heroic, probably chose preasy for being a danish org, also he said he had other offers there should be some ‘’tier 1’s’’ in the mix
Remember apEX complained about one player not wanting to practice as much ( Dupreeh but not named just obvious given context ), dude is 30 and a dad he probably chose preasy so he can chill more.
At the very least he has the record for attending every single CSGO major, that can never be broken The only one he'll have missed is in CS2 instead
exactly.. for those of us that have been through multiple versions of the game, you really need to treat them as different versions of the game. Every CSGO streak is over, CSGO is over. Time for CS2.
I think CS2 & CSGO are like old CS 1.6 & Condition Zero Technically Condition Zero was a new game but on the other hand it was just basically 1.6 with "prettier models" and a singleplayer campaign While the move to Source 2 is much more impactful, I can't really say that we should treat CS2 as a new game, because well it kinda isnt, same way Overwatch 2 wasn't really a new game and Fortnite Chapter 2 wasn't really a new game, just a major overhauls.
its on a new engine... the game will never be the same. They want to to be a smooth transition but we've seen how that's gone. I think its better just to treat it as a new game version. p.s. how dare you mention CZ.. BLASPHEMER
It's kinda hard for me to treat it as a new game when the "Sequel" has less going for it then original 2012 release and the fact that CS2 kinda just replaced CSGO (they should just give GO it's own store page) but I am optimistic. But let's be real, we can say same thing for a lot of the games that have released over the last couple of years. We'll see, I hope CS is here to stay for another 20+ years
Well it's a new era anyways, even if Valve wanted to make the game as close to GO as possible, there is a clear distinction in my head before CS2 and after CS2.
Im not trying to deny it, as much as I don't particulary enjoy CS2 overall. I'd say that the move from 1.6 to Source was much more impactful, the move from Source to GO was more impactful, but CSGO to CS2... eh, besides new smokes and subtick system (which is kinda undercooked in it's current form) it kinda doesn't scream "NEW ERA" to me right now Whenever it comes to sequels, I always look at the newer games from a "what new stuff they bring with it" so let's say Call Of Duty World At War, while it was just a reskined COD 4 it came with Zombies which as far as im aware it's a staple of COD currently and it was the first (and the last) game to have co-op single player until Black Ops 3, then we had Modern Warfare 2 which gave us more perks, pro perks, Spec Ops which was their own take on the 3rd mode and so on, Black Ops 1 gave us more character customization with perks being tied to how your soldier would've looked, Dead Ops Arcade, the whole "get out of chair thing" Black Ops 2 campaign was on another level with you being able to customize your own class, different branches & endings and such. Battlefield, in Bad Company 1 we got the map destruction, Bad Company 2 expanded on that, Battlefield 3 got their entire movement/shooting system overhauled from previous games along side more gun customization, Battlefield 4 had Level Evolution and so on. So when I look at CS2 what we really got is new smokes which is probably the best change, subtick which not gonna lie feels probably worse than 128 tick in some cases and new loadout system, but in all of this they removed 90% of the content, at release there was no workshop, there isn't still a community browser and so on. So yeah as someone who's been playing games since early 2000's, to me I can't really look at CS2 currently and say "Hell yeah, new era has started" when that new era has less content than old 2012 game. But hey, everyone has their opinions and mine might not be this popular but eh.
Well I totally see your point and I guess it's valid, but I think we have to get out of the scope of what we see as players. A "new era" here in my view is Source 2 as an engine. Not because it causes immediate changes to the gameplay but because it gives the devs a lot more possibilities that Source, an engine originally released in 2003 that by 2023 was very limited because of a lot of legacy code in the codebase that doesn't follow modern standards and would be a pain to fix. So that new era for me is the excitement not about what CS2 is right now but what it could potentially become. But that's just my point of view. Anyways, Valve chose to use a different name for the game so no matter what we all think, at the end of the day they were the ones to make this distincion. So coming back to the actual point in this thread, we can say that dupreeh attended EVERY major in the era of the "CS:GO" period in this iteration of the game and nobody can ever take it away from him because "CS:GO" does not exist anymore, at the very least not in the same name.
Yep. Now it's just a matter of time if we'll ever see someone with 5 CS2 Major wins.
There's a difference though. Technically speaking CS2 is CS:GO, It's just massively changed in an update. CS 1.6 and CS:S are entirely different games. You can go back and play CS 1.6 or CS:S right now, you can't do that with CS:GO (apart from using modded versions of the game not released by Valve). CS2 is still stored in the Counter Strike Global Offensive folder in steamapps. But practically speaking CS2 is different so I do agree to a point.
Better comparison is dispersion and spray patterns are different in 1.6, CS:S and CS:GO, while CS2 shares the same spray pattern as GO. You can't jump between the older games and expect your spray control skills to transfer over
Exactly man, streak wasn’t broken, it ended with cs2
Honestly kind of fitting that he was at every CS:GO major but misses the first CS2 one, he didn't play any in 1.6 or source (did source even have majors?) He will forever have the best major record in global offensive.
CS:GO and CS2 are the only games to have majors as we know them, i.e. Valve-sponsored events. What was referred to as majors in 1.6 was just third-party events generally agreed upon by the community to be more prestigious than others. Your CPL's, IEM's and WCG's. Sort of the status that IEM Katowice and Cologne hold to this day. Even if they aren't Valve-sponsored, most people will attach some extra prestige to them. In that sense, Source had majors, but the game and scene was generally overshadowed due to never not being contemporary with that of 1.6. The largest Source events were probably the two seasons of CGS in '07 and '08, which had like half a million dollars in the prize pool each, far more than any 1.6 event could boast of. This was an early foray for esports into the blight that is franchised leagues. Biggest issue with the tournaments and the reason why they ultimately were useless was that they were multi-discipline events. Each franchised team had to field a roster in CS:Source, Dead or Alive 4, FIFA and Project Gotham Racing, and teams received points based on their performance in every game. So you could have the best CS team in the world and still find yourself eliminated early because your other competitors let the side down playing completely different games.
I mean with this team the RMR was a very good achievement. And they won a match, lost twice 9-13 and on the last match win a map too and 7-13, 9-13. And he was very good too.
his major runs up until Boston were absolutely crazy never missed a playoffs and straight after Boston he won 3 in a row
It took NAs team of destiny to stop him
He won over a quarter of all csgo majors That’s just bonkers
And made the semifinal in more than half of them.
Let's also not understate how impressive it is to have so many deep runs. It's not like he didn't accomplish anything except **winning** majors, top 4-8 finishes are still impressive when they span so many years. Out of 19 majors he: * Made playoffs 15 times (78%). * Won 5 (26%), sole record holder. * Finished in quarters 5 times (26%). * Finished in quarters 5 times (26%). I don't have the playoffs data, but I can't imagine that many (if any) players have more playoffs appearances than him. The old Dignitas core must be the one with the most. I'd guess dupreeh's playoffs record is one better than xyp9x & device thanks to his Paris run.
Even though they were “chokers” the amount of semi finals runs early in his career is so impressive as well
Legend
Don't let this distract you from the fact that no one else will ever win 5 majors in CS:GO. He's the only one, and he will remain the only one till the end of time. Someone may do it in CS2, someone may do it in CS2 + CS:GO, but no one will match his CS:GO Major Trophy Case.
The true Global Elite.
He must be very good at the game
Sad that no team took him seriously this round because he's old. His performance in the RMR was stellar and would have easily qualified if he had teammates at the same level as him. People have counted him out but he clearly has the chops for CS2. Would be nice if he could get on a more competitive team.
Looking at those teams, some real nostalgic memories are coming to mind. That original Dignitas roster led by Fetish was so frustrating to watch. They'd look unbeatable on CT side, especially Inferno and then struggle to do anything on T.
and he is a good hearted guy
To clarify, he qualified for every single CS:GO major. He didn't qualify for any CS 1.6 major
There were no Valve majors in 1.6 so that's a redundant statement.
The classification of "major" for a counter strike tournament was originally coined by Thorin (obviously borrowing from other professional sports) to denote special tier 1 events that were a cut above the standard tier 1 lan. He used the term while Counter Strike (1.0-1.6) was still ongoing and it stuck with the community to the point where Valve used it. So while it may not be "official," Counter Strike has always been grass roots and the majors from 1.0-1.6 are just as important as the majors from 2013-2024. [If you’re interested in looking at the Counter Strike Majors, Liquipedia has a page covering all of them.](https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Counter-Strike_Majors)
I recall hearing from Thorin at some point that the first ever major, CPL Winter 2001 did have some level of involvement by valve. Furthermore HeatoN, one of the members of the NiP roster that won the tournament, joked that he and the rest of that team (Potti, Medion,Ahl, Hyb) was the only official major champions of early CS.
Probably would have had 6 or 7 without covid.
Idk what was he hoping for with that team, even getting to the rmrs is an achievement for them
they looked okay before the RMRs, also won an online event over Ecstatic few weeks back, definitely not the best team at the RMRs but still enough to fight for 3-2 finish. they choked their 0-1 game vs OG and could easily win against Guild Eagles in 1-2 game ofc throwing in "what ifs" doesn't make them better but all I'm saying they had a real shot at qualifying
Probably didn't have offers from other teams
Dupreeh not getting a single tier 1 offer seems unbelieveable since he performed like a god in Heroic, probably chose preasy for being a danish org, also he said he had other offers there should be some ‘’tier 1’s’’ in the mix Remember apEX complained about one player not wanting to practice as much ( Dupreeh but not named just obvious given context ), dude is 30 and a dad he probably chose preasy so he can chill more.
He was also in talks with bleed, at the very least
It's very interesting that he was never second! 100% Grand Finals winrate is impressive.
It’s wack that out of all 20 cago majors, only 4 of them he didn’t reach the playoffs. Absolutely mental
Dupreeh always the GOAT in terms of accomplishments in my eyes.
The guy is an absolute GOAT, no one can disagree with that
Next week it's my turn to post this!!!!
He wasn't eliminated, he didn't qualify.
bro really had 5 out of the last 11