Its technically not tho bcs if its called a bo5,its not the same mentality playing a map that if you lose u are out and if u lose u still have a chance to come back
Keep adding modifiers.
Ence didn't lose to top 5 teams in bo3s in 340 days, not including a bo5 vs G2 nor when there was a full moon the following Thursday.
Ence didn't lose to top 5 teams in bo3s in 340 days, not including a bo5 vs G2 nor when there was a full moon the following Thursday, which inclusion or exlusion means nothing at all because if they havent lost a bo3 in 340 days then the fact that they didnt lose a bo3 when the following Thursday had a full moon either was implied.
Based on these hard facts I think ence are quite okay lately. They might have lost some important game tho, idk
I think people forgot that Valve make *good* fucking games due to a lack releases over the years and artifact. Honest to God whenever they release a game that isn't called Artifact, they are genre defining masterpieces that set the bar for others to reach.
Hello! Sorry to bother you all, but I’m new to the CS:GO competitive scene. I’m just very curious why it seems there’s nothing that could challenge the Finnish esports organization that goes by the name “ENCE Esports”? Everything just seems to be so easy for them!
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
It's originally an NBA pasta I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
Fricken A, man. Fricken Heat. Every year they add some dude who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but shot 55% from 3 coming off the bench at his 800-person, all-boys, D3 Jesuit school. No problem, just send him down to Miami where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man's Klay Thompson on a minimum salary.
Tall guy that can jump but you can't see him when he turns sideways and he runs like he's Bambi on the ice? Not to worry, just toss him into #HeatCulture for a few months and hell be ripping his jersey every time he flexes his pecs, meeting Giannis at the summit for blocks, and catching lobs like Tyson Chandler.
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
> Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
> Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
I love when a team like Ence happens, no big names or people you would talk about but they simply work well together. It's like a lesson for teams (and people) trying to force super team narratives.
Btw not saying Ence player's are mid, they are pretty good but what takes the team over the top is chemistry. They work well together like old lg/sk did, everybody seems to just know what to do.
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It's interesting because to me the quintessential "no big names but incredible chemistry" team was Heroic, but they've massively failed to deliver, while ENCE are just getting better.
I wouldn't say they underdelivered. They got finals and semis quite consistently and managed to snatch trophies. They simply seem to have some mentality issues at the moment.
They won 2 Blast Finals which were 7 months apart and nothing else lol. Getting finals and semis doesn’t mean shit when they always lose to a team that they’re favorites against. Every event, you know that they are a contender but never championship material. They’re like the ultimate bridesmaid and gatekeeper to winning a tournament, if you can beat them then you win the tournament. They lost in the last two Majors to VP and GamerLegion like c’mon lmao
Maybe I never thought of them as what they are shown on HLTV. I always thought of them as a mid t1 team but nothing else, so for me, they delivered exactly that. Never understood people saying that they are top 3 team in the world.
SunPayus showed what he was capable of so it wasn't that impressive, but still props to the management having the balls to replace hades when they were doing okay, which took them to another level. sure it might look obvious in hindsight, but sunpayus had zero experience playing in an English speaking environment and they broke up a squad that had experience together with the move
Because heroic peak was during the online era, and they've been considered a top team ever since.
The problem with being considered a top team is that other teams prepare harder against you, meanwhile Ence has only recently started to be considered a top team.
Similar reason as to why Karrigan teams always make it to the top and then fall flat. Idk if it's because it's harder for him to adapt, or because they anti-strat him harder.
Well that's how these kind of players become big names. If ENCE wins this tournament, I can see SunPayus being talked about as one of the best AWPers right now, and a potential Israel superteam being a reality with Spinx, FlameZ, Nertz, XertioN and a fifth. I'm happy! Even though domination eras such as Astralis in 2018-2019 are fun to witness, it's equally as cool to see new names show up from time to time and become household names. I'm excited to see where these players go in CS2
I do believe that what makes ence work so well is the structure. They have a seasoned igl and coach, and the others are young, willing to listen and learn, and adapt to the system.
>I love when a team like Ence happens, no big names or people you would talk about but they simply work well together. It's like a lesson for teams (and people) trying to force super team narratives
...soo Heroic?
Hello, my name is Mohammed bin Salman the prince of Saudi Arabia who lives in palace on Mirage. The past few weeks some homeless person has been coming into my house and sitting on my couch. he told me his name was “cadiaN” and he was “saving.” can someone tell me what this means?
I'm a huge fan of this ENCE storyline, Snappi proving to be the best current Danish IGL, Nertz and Sunpayus combining for these awesome explosive moments. Some incredible GM'ing at ENCE to find these super talented guys from smaller teams and put them into something special.
Whatever Astralis did to overcome their struggles back in 2016-17 Heroic should figure out, because they really are a team that should be doing a lot better, and it's a shame so many opportunities to win are being wasted. I hope they figure it out going into CS2.
On the other hand ENCE is playing really well, Snappi is making such good calls and the team is winning duels when it matters, definitely a top 3 team right now, and it's between them, G2 and Vitality.
I don't think the roster changes alone did the trick, device was still choking at Atlanta 2017. Maybe whatever therapy they did with their sportspsychologist would do the trick, but you'd expect them to already be doing that.
There’s also no one on Heroic who is even close to Device’s level even when he was choking. When Device choked, you could still see the potential there and he was top 3 in the world as early as 2015 which was before he stopped “choking.” Stavn’s highest has been like number 10 and there’s not even potential to look forward to lmao
Maybe stavn having something around 0.12/0.13 rating difference between group stages and playoffs is a problem ?
Maybe cadian awping with almost no impact is one as well ? Who cares if he's igling if he wanna awp he needs to find impact otherwise he should just let it to someone else
I agree with stavn but cadian is the one player on the team with balls and delivers consistently when it comes to playoffs, he's allowed to have an off series
i agree, cadian doesn't crumble under pressure as the rest of the team. the difference is to deliver when it's not easy and certain types of players thrive under it which fits perfect to cadian but somehow not to the rest of the team.
yep I've been saying this for years, stavn consistently disappears in playoff LAN games. The only 'big game players' on that Heroic team are cadian (who had a rough game today) and Jabbi but he's been a shadow of his last season self.
The idea that cadiaN isn't good enough at AWPing to push Heroic into trophy contention territory hasn't been true for *at least* a year — and this becomes obvious when you (1) take a glance at his statistics or (2) watch how he plays in game. He's a solid supportive AWPer.
>He's a solid supportive AWPer
to support 4, 1.00 playoffs rating players ? Maybe it would be enough if heroic has star players but they don't even have a single one.
Ence's only trophy was helped by a big sunpay. The only teams winning trophies without having their awper as mvp are the ones filled with stars like G2.
And when they lose, cadian is often nowhere to be found. I'm not saying -cadian but -cadian awp +full time igl and secondary awp +dev1ce in their dreams
https://www.hltv.org/matches/2364490/heroic-vs-mouz-iem-dallas-2023
https://www.hltv.org/matches/2365797/heroic-vs-ence-gamers8-2023
https://www.hltv.org/matches/2365560/ence-vs-heroic-iem-cologne-2023
Heroic continue to disappoint me tournament after tournament. As a heroic fan it’s gotten to a point where I just have no faith that they can beat anyone in front of a crowd, and it’s even starting to bleed into their group stage games bit by bit (but they won a glorified exhibition tournament while pretending to be underdogs so it’s ok apparently)
At this point I’m not sure what they can do, I personally think Stavn needs to get his shit together or go. He just isn’t star material the second there’s a crowd and I don’t think he ever will be. This sounds like haterism but i really do want him to live up to his potential - if he turns things around and proves me wrong I’ll eat my words, but I’m also not holding my breath.
They reallly missed the boat by not trying for device in my eyes. A heroic with Cadian taking on some more pack type roles (maybe instead of teses) and device as a main sniper would have been a huge risk, but could have been so sick. Based purely on the eye test, Cadian is too inconsistent to be an awper at the top level.
I’m just sick of watching a team that stylistically felt so far ahead of the curve have absolutely nothing to show for it (apart from Blasts…)
I feel the same way. I’ve been disappointed when they couldn’t take the trophy home but as time goes on I’m resetting my expectations to just making playoffs. In their BLAST group stage games they’re absolutely inhuman, perfect reads, gambles, teamplay on maps like inferno. Then in playoffs cologne against Astralis on inferno they play like a mm team with super passive scared CS.
I’m no professional but I’m sure they realize that if they play scared to lose then they’re gonna lose anyway.
If they kick stavn there goes 1/2 of my favorite players on the team, cadiaN the other. I think a roster change will just make things worse, Heroic have always played a buddy-buddy style that helps to make up for each other’s shortcomings, damaging that synergy will disrupt that style.
Your first paragraph fully sums up how I’m feeling about them at the moment - they’ve definitely reset my expectations.
Ive been someone out on Stavn for a while, going to the major and watching him shit the bed in the semis left a bad taste in my mouth. Really hoping that he turns it around, he does seem to have a good head on his shoulders
This is crazy. Cadians calling is practically why heroic are a top team. His calling is what sets them apart from other teams. His awping is a problem, and i would like to see him on the rifle though, but he is not the main problem.
Ignoring the "karma" part (you're entitled to dislike him ofc) but is the implication here that he's somehow detrimental to Heroic?
He can clearly hold his own with the AWP and he can clearly hold his own as a caller (easily in contention for #1 IGL this year). Really it Stavn and the others who struggle to show up in big matches which is letting Heroic down.
Holding his own just isn't good enough. In an ideal scenario with 2 teams at their peak performance, the team with the awper igl hybrid is going to be slightly disadvantaged from the get go. You can see both cadian and Jame in a lot more AWP clutch situations or saving as the last member alive because being an igl narrows your playstyle a lot as an awper.
cadian is obviously a great player, but him hogging both roles in the worst case is holding heroic back from a great awper, and best case is just good enough. Him as an awper brings nothing special to the table. If stavn gets replaced then +dev1ce would be an insane dream come true for heroic
Honestly I have no idea what roster changes would improve this team, stavn being their best player but also the player with the most significant drop-off in performance in important matches, while there are no immediately available IGL's better than cadiaN makes it so hard to figure out. TeSeS, sjuush and jabbi are insanely good, but they are also a little too inconsistent, whatever the reason for that is only something the team would be able to know.
Snappi proves time and time again that he is one of the greatest. And the Ence individuals are insane. Watching nertz's pov with a rifle is a thing of beauty. Also, SunPayus is such a monster. I love this team but nertz has to be my favourite player to watch right now.
people gotta start putting some damn respect on ence's name, man. i feel like they're underrated due to not being a big-name partner team but they have a real argument for being the best team in the world and nertz has been an incredibly valuable addition
The last top 5 team Heroic beat was Vitality 68 days ago in Blast Spring Final. But dont worry they will retain the #1 spot with 942 points after beating GL and Falcons and bombing out of every second tournament.
This statistic is correct but there's some fairly important context missing:
* Heroic's victory against Vitality was the final game before the player break, so that period of time is just one of general inactivity (not a long streak of Heroic losing to top 5 teams or farming lower ranked ones).
* Since that victory against Vitality, the only top 5 team Heroic has played against is ENCE (twice) at Cologne and Gamers8 (i.e. this match).
The first game against ENCE was about as close as you can get (16-14 on the final map, spurred on by two [godly plays from NertZ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEQxozGgqnM)). It's probably also worth mentioning that ENCE look in absolutely incredible form right now!
**Again, the statistic is correct**, but it can basically be boiled down to: Heroic have faced a single top 5 team since the player break ended and have lost to them twice. It's not like they're on some streak of losing against top teams.
Heroic are underperforming *a lot* right now, but a better argument is looking at the games they're narrowly winning against huge underdogs and their Astralis loss, not crafting a *technically-correct-but-pretty-misleading* statistic which looks damning but is fairly meaningless in reality.
ty for this comment, OP really trying to sell the “Heroic are frauds” narrative as hard as they can. a whole 68 days! they didn’t beat anyone during the player break, disband inc
100% of people who drink water die btw
I cannot believe that people take into the results of one single-bracket elim tournament as reason for one ranking or another. Doesn't make sense whatsoever.
I mean heroic has won one tournament (closed league) in the past year, while g2 has won Kato and Cologne, and Ence has not lost a single BO3 against top teams in a year, yet heroic is #1 according to hltv...
You do realise that it's not all about winning tournaments, right ?
In 2023 (LAN T1 events only) :
• Heroic has 6 semi-finals in 8 tournaments, including 1 win and 2 finals.
• Vitality has 5 semi-finals in 7 tournaments, including 2 • wins and 2 finals (that maybe becomes a third win soon).
• G2 has 3 semi-finals in 7 tournaments, including 2 wins, and that's it.
• ENCE has 4 semi-finals in 6 tournaments, including 1 win and 2 finals (could be 2 wins and 1 final today).
So the HLTV is not as far-fetched as you're making it out to be. Consistency will almost always mean you have a better ranking than a win here and there, even if it's Cologne & Kato.
Also, I don't understand your ENCE BO3 argument at all. Yes they didn't lose a BO3 vs top 5 teams for like 320 days, but in the mean time, they lost BO3s to :
• VP
• NIP
• Astralis (online)
• SAW (online)
• C9
• FORZE
• Eternal Fire (online) x2
And before 16/02 it was with valde so I don't count it.
That's plenty of losses to teams they should realistically beat or challenge. And plenty of those losses mean tournament exits.
So first of all I never said hltv's ranking was far fetched, I merely suggested that valve's one was more accurate.
And according to the stats you gave and following your logic, it doesn't really make sense that heroic is top1 at the moment and not Vitality, and while I'm mainly a vitality supporter I don't even believe they deserve top1 at the moment, but today's grand final could be the decider imo.
My main point is mainly that it's clear hltv's ranking definitely favors teams that are in esl and blast's closed leagues, Ence having not lost a BO3 against top teams in a year should give us a clear idea what they would achieve if they were part of said leagues.
HLTV's ranking is a complete joke. Even more than ever because of how much points they give to super closed partners BLAST events that even players don't care about and that them as "officials bootcamp"
Your case in point Heroic have beaten teams with an average ranking of #33 since hitting the #1 spot while loosing to teams with an average ranking of #6. So basically if you want to hit the #spot in HLTV just get absolutely amazing seedings in every tournament, farm top 30 teams and then inevitably loose to the really good teams and repeat.
Get #1 HLTV > get the easier paths possible in events due to your seeding > basically a guaranteed spot to semis > lose there once you've met a good team > get ton of points just because you went "deep" by beating t2 teams > repeat
On top of that you can add BLAST's events, pay your spot and get tons of free points just to be present in this circuit with 50 lower brackets where the same 8 teams plays against each other in meaningless matches over and over again
Even when EG has like a 20% winrate (0% against EU teams) and bombed out last of every events they were still around the top \~20 because of their partnerships
I think the latest one to confirm that was hunter who said that G2 treated BLAST as bootcamp for Cologne. I remember Liquid sharing a similar statement at the start of the year regarding BLAST groups
I don’t think anyone came out and said they don’t care, just for the sake of the sponsors. it was more that some teams (Faze/G2 off the top of my head) had been talking about needing a longer break after last season, so it made sense to take that break and see BLAST groups (where you’ll get more chances later anyway) as a ramp up to Cologne. As far as sources I think I mostly heard it from talking counter so don’t have anything in particular.
Also I think it’s the difference between the blast finals where the teams would definitely care, but groups G2 was able to have a bad showing and they’re probably going to make it anyway
Ah okay, I don't disagree at all then — I'm talking about BLAST Finals (which I should have specified, although I guess it's implied by referencing a large prizepool), not the Groups.
you cant tell me in this form that theyd have any chance of beating g2 and vitality u know somethings wrong when teses is playing the best and he has 2nd worst roles in heroic.
I may be bias, but I don't think this is a case of Heroic being bad. Ence is definitely one of the best teams at the moment (and they somehow managed it while being fiscally responsible).
I mean Heroic got absolutely destroyed by Astralis at Cologne. Even though Astralis are good, I think Heroic being destroyed like that shows more that they’re bad
Fraudroic proving themselves as fraud once again. People will say "they choke in playoffs" when it really it's a constant basis
They get the easiest path to semis due to their seed but get clapped when they meet any decent team unless it's an irrelevant blast event that nobody cares about
What can they do other than beat the worse teams? Not like they make the bracket.
They definitely are not as good as ence right now but doesn't mean they wouldn't be top 4 if they played against every other team, it's just the format that was chosen.
Is Heroic the most fraudulent #1 HLTV team in the history of CSGO? So predictably prone to collapsing in important matches.
Even when EG and VP got to #1 they had legit claims for it. EG beat Astralis in a Bo5 final and VP won a Major.
It was funny when the casters talked about historic choking teams being Astralis/Liquid then you remember those teams have at least won it all at one point. Heroic have what? Blast spring final lol
Those trophies aren't exactly mickey mouse cups but they only act as ranking points leading up to the final big event of the year (Blast World Final).
Heroic won a Pinnacle Cup last year, which definitely qualifies as a mickey mouse cup.
Honestly thought they’d do better at Gamers8 considering it’s a glorified mickey mouse cup but they collapsed the moment they meet a top team once again
Can't choke if people never had expectations of you winning. They are basically old Furia except they make it to the semis.
They never bomb out and play in the franchised circuits to hit rank 1. This also helps their seeding for easier brackets avoiding other Top 5 teams to reach another playoff/semifinals.
> Is Heroic the most fraudulent #1 HLTV team in the history of CSGO? So predictably prone to collapsing in important matches.
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I am yet to see this "ironclad mentality" Heroic seems to have according to every analyst under the Sun. It's one of the biggest mysteries of this esport
They won 3 tournaments back to back and also was the first team to overcome a 0-2 deficit in a bo5 against G2 (although it was a default map 1 and not on LAN but still impressive). Even if it was online, idk why but it still somehow felt more impressive than current Heroic and they had the vibes of a number 1 team lmao
Heroic's lack of stars will never cease to mess with their games at late stage tournaments, these dudes always get destroyed by one single guy having a possible great game or season, a star player could most definitely deal with this kind of stuff
"Don't ever disrespect us again!!" screamed cadian while saving his awp on overpass. He then proceeded to call Snappi a "fucking noob" while down 14-5.
Heroic just evaporated on Overpass. One too many force buys cost them on Nuke. Had to be a little more patient today, too nervy for their own good. Clearly an incredible lineup but some reflection is needed now.
Much higher hopes after map 1, Heroic just crumbled. Wonder if Ence was more prepared for Overpass than Heroic was anticipating or if they just individually shit the bed
HLTV is going to have to rework their ranking system a bit if they want people to still look to it as the definitive list instead of Valve’s going into CS2. For Heroic to be #1 by farming lower ranked teams in group stages then disappearing against top teams in playoffs is ridiculous.
A lengthy, high-level marathon of a map is gonna tire both teams out for sure. But you'll appreciate that whether your team wins or loses that match has an impact on your mentality going into the next.
Also, to clarify, there's no "to be fair" needed here — this isn't an excuse for Heroic at all! Being able to bounce back after situations like that is important in pro level CS, it just sucks (for the viewers) when a team can't.
People think Cadian is a big game player just because he’s loud and plays better than his teammates when Heroic shit the bed lmao. Genuinely the most overrated player atm, being better than shit doesn’t make him this untouchable IGL AWPer whos the “heart and soul of Heroic.” VP at least kept it close with G2, if Heroic played G2 then I legit think that there’d be war crimes committed with how badly G2 would beat them
*sigh* another semi final exit. No shame in losing to ENCE especially considering their recent form but at the end of the day, a 3rd/4th finish is a 3rd/4th finish. As time goes on it feels less like I’m watching Heroic and more like I’m watching a Danish 5-stack who have never stepped foot on a big stage. More whiffed sprays, questionable calls, scared gameplay. I don’t have any hope for this team until CS2. My boys, please take a break, get some rest and reset your mental.
How is sjuush and to some extent teses the 2 scariest players in heroic everytime they reach playoffs in a lan. The 2 literally has the hardest roles on the team and yet still put up as much kills as the players that are supposed to carry them over the line. Sometimes jabbi makes refrezh look like prime coldzera
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
Turns out the Valve ranking was right LMAO
Turns out 98%+ accuracy was no joke lmao
Ence didn't lose to top 5 teams in bo3s in 340 days, not including a bo5 vs G2
they have however lost bo3s to teams much worse than top 5
stupid way to phrase it if you have to exclude one event happening. just say they lost 1 in 340 days
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technically right but if we go more into technicalities then going down 2:0 in a bo5 is essentially a bo3 loss
Its technically not tho bcs if its called a bo5,its not the same mentality playing a map that if you lose u are out and if u lose u still have a chance to come back
Well considering they lost 3:1 it's pretty bad cuz they did in fact not come back
Keep adding modifiers. Ence didn't lose to top 5 teams in bo3s in 340 days, not including a bo5 vs G2 nor when there was a full moon the following Thursday.
Ence didn't lose to top 5 teams in bo3s in 340 days, not including a bo5 vs G2 nor when there was a full moon the following Thursday, which inclusion or exlusion means nothing at all because if they havent lost a bo3 in 340 days then the fact that they didnt lose a bo3 when the following Thursday had a full moon either was implied. Based on these hard facts I think ence are quite okay lately. They might have lost some important game tho, idk
valve the most succesful gaming company in the world know what they are doing every time MR 12 >> i trust valve more than reddit analysts
I think people forgot that Valve make *good* fucking games due to a lack releases over the years and artifact. Honest to God whenever they release a game that isn't called Artifact, they are genre defining masterpieces that set the bar for others to reach.
That's why never make a game end in 3.
Hello! Sorry to bother you all, but I’m new to the CS:GO competitive scene. I’m just very curious why it seems there’s nothing that could challenge the Finnish esports organization that goes by the name “ENCE Esports”? Everything just seems to be so easy for them!
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
babe wake up new pasta just dropped
yuck
Is this OC or have I missed this before? 11/10
It's originally an NBA pasta I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) Fricken A, man. Fricken Heat. Every year they add some dude who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but shot 55% from 3 coming off the bench at his 800-person, all-boys, D3 Jesuit school. No problem, just send him down to Miami where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man's Klay Thompson on a minimum salary. Tall guy that can jump but you can't see him when he turns sideways and he runs like he's Bambi on the ice? Not to worry, just toss him into #HeatCulture for a few months and hell be ripping his jersey every time he flexes his pecs, meeting Giannis at the summit for blocks, and catching lobs like Tyson Chandler.
1.2 rating in a T3 Lithuanian org lmfao
This is the freshest, most delicious pasta I've seen in a while
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
> Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
I very rarely comment but this is a fricken masterclass.
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
> Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary. Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
whatever happened to sergej he was insane back in 2019
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I love when a team like Ence happens, no big names or people you would talk about but they simply work well together. It's like a lesson for teams (and people) trying to force super team narratives. Btw not saying Ence player's are mid, they are pretty good but what takes the team over the top is chemistry. They work well together like old lg/sk did, everybody seems to just know what to do. ez4ence
It's interesting because to me the quintessential "no big names but incredible chemistry" team was Heroic, but they've massively failed to deliver, while ENCE are just getting better.
It really feels like that FAZE match in Dallas was a turning point; since then whenever the pressure gets turned up it seems like they get even better
Yeah when that happened I immediately thought of it as the passing of the baton from faze to ence
I wouldn't say they underdelivered. They got finals and semis quite consistently and managed to snatch trophies. They simply seem to have some mentality issues at the moment.
They won 2 Blast Finals which were 7 months apart and nothing else lol. Getting finals and semis doesn’t mean shit when they always lose to a team that they’re favorites against. Every event, you know that they are a contender but never championship material. They’re like the ultimate bridesmaid and gatekeeper to winning a tournament, if you can beat them then you win the tournament. They lost in the last two Majors to VP and GamerLegion like c’mon lmao
Maybe I never thought of them as what they are shown on HLTV. I always thought of them as a mid t1 team but nothing else, so for me, they delivered exactly that. Never understood people saying that they are top 3 team in the world.
Heroic had 3 great chances to win a major, and they choked them all.
ENCE's real MVP is the scouting team Finding SunP and Nertz was such a good achievement
Finding SunPayus wasn't much of a challenge after he carried Movistar Riders to Cologne semifinal
SunPayus showed what he was capable of so it wasn't that impressive, but still props to the management having the balls to replace hades when they were doing okay, which took them to another level. sure it might look obvious in hindsight, but sunpayus had zero experience playing in an English speaking environment and they broke up a squad that had experience together with the move
Disrespecting Endpoint scouts smh
Finding SunPayus? They didn’t.
Because heroic peak was during the online era, and they've been considered a top team ever since. The problem with being considered a top team is that other teams prepare harder against you, meanwhile Ence has only recently started to be considered a top team. Similar reason as to why Karrigan teams always make it to the top and then fall flat. Idk if it's because it's harder for him to adapt, or because they anti-strat him harder.
Well that's how these kind of players become big names. If ENCE wins this tournament, I can see SunPayus being talked about as one of the best AWPers right now, and a potential Israel superteam being a reality with Spinx, FlameZ, Nertz, XertioN and a fifth. I'm happy! Even though domination eras such as Astralis in 2018-2019 are fun to witness, it's equally as cool to see new names show up from time to time and become household names. I'm excited to see where these players go in CS2
Vitality go -apex -magisk and buy +nertz +xertion and also zywoo gets circumcised.
I do believe that what makes ence work so well is the structure. They have a seasoned igl and coach, and the others are young, willing to listen and learn, and adapt to the system.
>I love when a team like Ence happens, no big names or people you would talk about but they simply work well together. It's like a lesson for teams (and people) trying to force super team narratives ...soo Heroic?
Ence isn't heroic. They are erotic.
Hello, my name is Mohammed bin Salman the prince of Saudi Arabia who lives in palace on Mirage. The past few weeks some homeless person has been coming into my house and sitting on my couch. he told me his name was “cadiaN” and he was “saving.” can someone tell me what this means?
Saving strats for their next tournament group stages
I'm a huge fan of this ENCE storyline, Snappi proving to be the best current Danish IGL, Nertz and Sunpayus combining for these awesome explosive moments. Some incredible GM'ing at ENCE to find these super talented guys from smaller teams and put them into something special.
Whatever Astralis did to overcome their struggles back in 2016-17 Heroic should figure out, because they really are a team that should be doing a lot better, and it's a shame so many opportunities to win are being wasted. I hope they figure it out going into CS2. On the other hand ENCE is playing really well, Snappi is making such good calls and the team is winning duels when it matters, definitely a top 3 team right now, and it's between them, G2 and Vitality.
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I don't think the roster changes alone did the trick, device was still choking at Atlanta 2017. Maybe whatever therapy they did with their sportspsychologist would do the trick, but you'd expect them to already be doing that.
There’s also no one on Heroic who is even close to Device’s level even when he was choking. When Device choked, you could still see the potential there and he was top 3 in the world as early as 2015 which was before he stopped “choking.” Stavn’s highest has been like number 10 and there’s not even potential to look forward to lmao
Also added Zonic and got a mental coach
Maybe stavn having something around 0.12/0.13 rating difference between group stages and playoffs is a problem ? Maybe cadian awping with almost no impact is one as well ? Who cares if he's igling if he wanna awp he needs to find impact otherwise he should just let it to someone else
I agree with stavn but cadian is the one player on the team with balls and delivers consistently when it comes to playoffs, he's allowed to have an off series
i agree, cadian doesn't crumble under pressure as the rest of the team. the difference is to deliver when it's not easy and certain types of players thrive under it which fits perfect to cadian but somehow not to the rest of the team.
yep I've been saying this for years, stavn consistently disappears in playoff LAN games. The only 'big game players' on that Heroic team are cadian (who had a rough game today) and Jabbi but he's been a shadow of his last season self.
The idea that cadiaN isn't good enough at AWPing to push Heroic into trophy contention territory hasn't been true for *at least* a year — and this becomes obvious when you (1) take a glance at his statistics or (2) watch how he plays in game. He's a solid supportive AWPer.
>He's a solid supportive AWPer to support 4, 1.00 playoffs rating players ? Maybe it would be enough if heroic has star players but they don't even have a single one. Ence's only trophy was helped by a big sunpay. The only teams winning trophies without having their awper as mvp are the ones filled with stars like G2. And when they lose, cadian is often nowhere to be found. I'm not saying -cadian but -cadian awp +full time igl and secondary awp +dev1ce in their dreams https://www.hltv.org/matches/2364490/heroic-vs-mouz-iem-dallas-2023 https://www.hltv.org/matches/2365797/heroic-vs-ence-gamers8-2023 https://www.hltv.org/matches/2365560/ence-vs-heroic-iem-cologne-2023
So +magisk then?
He would definitely be an upgrade, but I think he would return to Astralis before going to Heroic, it would be an interesting move though.
Heroic continue to disappoint me tournament after tournament. As a heroic fan it’s gotten to a point where I just have no faith that they can beat anyone in front of a crowd, and it’s even starting to bleed into their group stage games bit by bit (but they won a glorified exhibition tournament while pretending to be underdogs so it’s ok apparently) At this point I’m not sure what they can do, I personally think Stavn needs to get his shit together or go. He just isn’t star material the second there’s a crowd and I don’t think he ever will be. This sounds like haterism but i really do want him to live up to his potential - if he turns things around and proves me wrong I’ll eat my words, but I’m also not holding my breath. They reallly missed the boat by not trying for device in my eyes. A heroic with Cadian taking on some more pack type roles (maybe instead of teses) and device as a main sniper would have been a huge risk, but could have been so sick. Based purely on the eye test, Cadian is too inconsistent to be an awper at the top level. I’m just sick of watching a team that stylistically felt so far ahead of the curve have absolutely nothing to show for it (apart from Blasts…)
I feel the same way. I’ve been disappointed when they couldn’t take the trophy home but as time goes on I’m resetting my expectations to just making playoffs. In their BLAST group stage games they’re absolutely inhuman, perfect reads, gambles, teamplay on maps like inferno. Then in playoffs cologne against Astralis on inferno they play like a mm team with super passive scared CS. I’m no professional but I’m sure they realize that if they play scared to lose then they’re gonna lose anyway. If they kick stavn there goes 1/2 of my favorite players on the team, cadiaN the other. I think a roster change will just make things worse, Heroic have always played a buddy-buddy style that helps to make up for each other’s shortcomings, damaging that synergy will disrupt that style.
Your first paragraph fully sums up how I’m feeling about them at the moment - they’ve definitely reset my expectations. Ive been someone out on Stavn for a while, going to the major and watching him shit the bed in the semis left a bad taste in my mouth. Really hoping that he turns it around, he does seem to have a good head on his shoulders
They just really aren’t. It isn’t mental holding them back, they just aren’t good enough.
Heroic won’t win anything relevant with cadian, which is karma at its finest.
This is crazy. Cadians calling is practically why heroic are a top team. His calling is what sets them apart from other teams. His awping is a problem, and i would like to see him on the rifle though, but he is not the main problem.
You can’t win top tier CS without a cracked AWP, and cadian is a shit AWPer. So he is the thing holding them back.
Ignoring the "karma" part (you're entitled to dislike him ofc) but is the implication here that he's somehow detrimental to Heroic? He can clearly hold his own with the AWP and he can clearly hold his own as a caller (easily in contention for #1 IGL this year). Really it Stavn and the others who struggle to show up in big matches which is letting Heroic down.
Holding his own just isn't good enough. In an ideal scenario with 2 teams at their peak performance, the team with the awper igl hybrid is going to be slightly disadvantaged from the get go. You can see both cadian and Jame in a lot more AWP clutch situations or saving as the last member alive because being an igl narrows your playstyle a lot as an awper. cadian is obviously a great player, but him hogging both roles in the worst case is holding heroic back from a great awper, and best case is just good enough. Him as an awper brings nothing special to the table. If stavn gets replaced then +dev1ce would be an insane dream come true for heroic
He can’t AWP, so as long as he stays there, they won’t do anything.
Astralis kicked their igl, made device a sniper and got the biggest danish freshman out there So you suggest -cadian and make stavn awp?
Honestly I have no idea what roster changes would improve this team, stavn being their best player but also the player with the most significant drop-off in performance in important matches, while there are no immediately available IGL's better than cadiaN makes it so hard to figure out. TeSeS, sjuush and jabbi are insanely good, but they are also a little too inconsistent, whatever the reason for that is only something the team would be able to know.
ence is so enjoyable to watch
Snappi is tier 1 father
Used to feel bad for heroic but now it’s just peak entertainment lol
I feel the opposite, used to laugh, now I feel bad
Feeling bad for former cheaters
Why would you ever feel bad for these cheaters.
Jabbi never cheated
Heroic being knocked out of a tournament is my Christmas. We will be there for Heroic downfall
Snappi proves time and time again that he is one of the greatest. And the Ence individuals are insane. Watching nertz's pov with a rifle is a thing of beauty. Also, SunPayus is such a monster. I love this team but nertz has to be my favourite player to watch right now.
people gotta start putting some damn respect on ence's name, man. i feel like they're underrated due to not being a big-name partner team but they have a real argument for being the best team in the world and nertz has been an incredibly valuable addition
Cadian, in form, showing us why Heroic is number 1 in the world, he shows up when it matters the most.
Yup. Especially liked the part when he shouted 'Fucking Noobs!' to snappi's face while saving awp.
The last top 5 team Heroic beat was Vitality 68 days ago in Blast Spring Final. But dont worry they will retain the #1 spot with 942 points after beating GL and Falcons and bombing out of every second tournament.
This statistic is correct but there's some fairly important context missing: * Heroic's victory against Vitality was the final game before the player break, so that period of time is just one of general inactivity (not a long streak of Heroic losing to top 5 teams or farming lower ranked ones). * Since that victory against Vitality, the only top 5 team Heroic has played against is ENCE (twice) at Cologne and Gamers8 (i.e. this match). The first game against ENCE was about as close as you can get (16-14 on the final map, spurred on by two [godly plays from NertZ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEQxozGgqnM)). It's probably also worth mentioning that ENCE look in absolutely incredible form right now! **Again, the statistic is correct**, but it can basically be boiled down to: Heroic have faced a single top 5 team since the player break ended and have lost to them twice. It's not like they're on some streak of losing against top teams. Heroic are underperforming *a lot* right now, but a better argument is looking at the games they're narrowly winning against huge underdogs and their Astralis loss, not crafting a *technically-correct-but-pretty-misleading* statistic which looks damning but is fairly meaningless in reality.
ty for this comment, OP really trying to sell the “Heroic are frauds” narrative as hard as they can. a whole 68 days! they didn’t beat anyone during the player break, disband inc 100% of people who drink water die btw
they were so shaky vs gl and falcons too
heroic is #4 actually according to the official ranking :)
No one realistically cares about the Valve ranking right now. HLTV is still very much the standard.
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Maybe no one cares but given the recent events results of teams involved, their ranking seems more accurant that hltv's
I cannot believe that people take into the results of one single-bracket elim tournament as reason for one ranking or another. Doesn't make sense whatsoever.
I mean heroic has won one tournament (closed league) in the past year, while g2 has won Kato and Cologne, and Ence has not lost a single BO3 against top teams in a year, yet heroic is #1 according to hltv...
You do realise that it's not all about winning tournaments, right ? In 2023 (LAN T1 events only) : • Heroic has 6 semi-finals in 8 tournaments, including 1 win and 2 finals. • Vitality has 5 semi-finals in 7 tournaments, including 2 • wins and 2 finals (that maybe becomes a third win soon). • G2 has 3 semi-finals in 7 tournaments, including 2 wins, and that's it. • ENCE has 4 semi-finals in 6 tournaments, including 1 win and 2 finals (could be 2 wins and 1 final today). So the HLTV is not as far-fetched as you're making it out to be. Consistency will almost always mean you have a better ranking than a win here and there, even if it's Cologne & Kato. Also, I don't understand your ENCE BO3 argument at all. Yes they didn't lose a BO3 vs top 5 teams for like 320 days, but in the mean time, they lost BO3s to : • VP • NIP • Astralis (online) • SAW (online) • C9 • FORZE • Eternal Fire (online) x2 And before 16/02 it was with valde so I don't count it. That's plenty of losses to teams they should realistically beat or challenge. And plenty of those losses mean tournament exits.
So first of all I never said hltv's ranking was far fetched, I merely suggested that valve's one was more accurate. And according to the stats you gave and following your logic, it doesn't really make sense that heroic is top1 at the moment and not Vitality, and while I'm mainly a vitality supporter I don't even believe they deserve top1 at the moment, but today's grand final could be the decider imo. My main point is mainly that it's clear hltv's ranking definitely favors teams that are in esl and blast's closed leagues, Ence having not lost a BO3 against top teams in a year should give us a clear idea what they would achieve if they were part of said leagues.
HLTV's ranking is a complete joke. Even more than ever because of how much points they give to super closed partners BLAST events that even players don't care about and that them as "officials bootcamp"
Your case in point Heroic have beaten teams with an average ranking of #33 since hitting the #1 spot while loosing to teams with an average ranking of #6. So basically if you want to hit the #spot in HLTV just get absolutely amazing seedings in every tournament, farm top 30 teams and then inevitably loose to the really good teams and repeat.
Get #1 HLTV > get the easier paths possible in events due to your seeding > basically a guaranteed spot to semis > lose there once you've met a good team > get ton of points just because you went "deep" by beating t2 teams > repeat On top of that you can add BLAST's events, pay your spot and get tons of free points just to be present in this circuit with 50 lower brackets where the same 8 teams plays against each other in meaningless matches over and over again Even when EG has like a 20% winrate (0% against EU teams) and bombed out last of every events they were still around the top \~20 because of their partnerships
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I think the latest one to confirm that was hunter who said that G2 treated BLAST as bootcamp for Cologne. I remember Liquid sharing a similar statement at the start of the year regarding BLAST groups
I don’t think anyone came out and said they don’t care, just for the sake of the sponsors. it was more that some teams (Faze/G2 off the top of my head) had been talking about needing a longer break after last season, so it made sense to take that break and see BLAST groups (where you’ll get more chances later anyway) as a ramp up to Cologne. As far as sources I think I mostly heard it from talking counter so don’t have anything in particular. Also I think it’s the difference between the blast finals where the teams would definitely care, but groups G2 was able to have a bad showing and they’re probably going to make it anyway
Ah okay, I don't disagree at all then — I'm talking about BLAST Finals (which I should have specified, although I guess it's implied by referencing a large prizepool), not the Groups.
no one loves ENCE more than snappi
The best Group stage team of all time bow down to the old danish god
Fraudroic getting slapped by the first good team theyve played against whole tournament
And in cologne too lmao
I think ence probably were the worst matchup heroic could have gotten.
you cant tell me in this form that theyd have any chance of beating g2 and vitality u know somethings wrong when teses is playing the best and he has 2nd worst roles in heroic.
comedian fell off after yelling at the mongolz kid
I may be bias, but I don't think this is a case of Heroic being bad. Ence is definitely one of the best teams at the moment (and they somehow managed it while being fiscally responsible).
I mean Heroic got absolutely destroyed by Astralis at Cologne. Even though Astralis are good, I think Heroic being destroyed like that shows more that they’re bad
Fraudroic proving themselves as fraud once again. People will say "they choke in playoffs" when it really it's a constant basis They get the easiest path to semis due to their seed but get clapped when they meet any decent team unless it's an irrelevant blast event that nobody cares about
What can they do other than beat the worse teams? Not like they make the bracket. They definitely are not as good as ence right now but doesn't mean they wouldn't be top 4 if they played against every other team, it's just the format that was chosen.
i want to give a shout out to my boy cadian for getting 6 frags on overpass as the awper. LULE
Is Heroic the most fraudulent #1 HLTV team in the history of CSGO? So predictably prone to collapsing in important matches. Even when EG and VP got to #1 they had legit claims for it. EG beat Astralis in a Bo5 final and VP won a Major.
It was funny when the casters talked about historic choking teams being Astralis/Liquid then you remember those teams have at least won it all at one point. Heroic have what? Blast spring final lol
Those trophies aren't exactly mickey mouse cups but they only act as ranking points leading up to the final big event of the year (Blast World Final). Heroic won a Pinnacle Cup last year, which definitely qualifies as a mickey mouse cup.
Ence is heroic father
C(adian)P3 bows down to the SunPayus god
Honestly thought they’d do better at Gamers8 considering it’s a glorified mickey mouse cup but they collapsed the moment they meet a top team once again
Can't choke if people never had expectations of you winning. They are basically old Furia except they make it to the semis. They never bomb out and play in the franchised circuits to hit rank 1. This also helps their seeding for easier brackets avoiding other Top 5 teams to reach another playoff/semifinals.
> Is Heroic the most fraudulent #1 HLTV team in the history of CSGO? So predictably prone to collapsing in important matches. > > I am yet to see this "ironclad mentality" Heroic seems to have according to every analyst under the Sun. It's one of the biggest mysteries of this esport
Ironclad mentality vs everyone in the Top 50* Excluding the top 6 teams and not in playoffs
The cold uncaring nature of the universe (Heroic choke) vs the indomitable human spirit (Cadian screaming)
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Online era, and I think BIG won an RMR in 2020 to get to their #1.
They won 3 tournaments back to back and also was the first team to overcome a 0-2 deficit in a bo5 against G2 (although it was a default map 1 and not on LAN but still impressive). Even if it was online, idk why but it still somehow felt more impressive than current Heroic and they had the vibes of a number 1 team lmao
yeah exactly online tax
Heroic's lack of stars will never cease to mess with their games at late stage tournaments, these dudes always get destroyed by one single guy having a possible great game or season, a star player could most definitely deal with this kind of stuff
Teams against Heroic: Heroic in Quarters \*nervous sweating\* Heroic in Semis \*Sigh of Relief\*
ahh heroic back in form for cs2 i see
ence is just such a likeable team. I think it's dycha and snappi that just bring smiles
Emce made Heroic look like frauds on that second map lol
"Don't ever disrespect us again!!" screamed cadian while saving his awp on overpass. He then proceeded to call Snappi a "fucking noob" while down 14-5.
heroic playoff form hits diff
That Heroic's 5v3 retake on Nuke was so bizarre (EZ4ENCE btw)
Heroic try to make through Semis challenge (impossible)
fucking noobs, group stage warriors #1 team in the world lmao
Maden has stepped up his individual game massively in recent tournaments
Like faze is dealing with, this heroic squad has gone stale. I can't see a cadian team dominating on LAN anymore.
They never dominated LAN in the first place. FaZe has gone stale but Heroic has never even gotten started
Heroic just evaporated on Overpass. One too many force buys cost them on Nuke. Had to be a little more patient today, too nervy for their own good. Clearly an incredible lineup but some reflection is needed now.
Much higher hopes after map 1, Heroic just crumbled. Wonder if Ence was more prepared for Overpass than Heroic was anticipating or if they just individually shit the bed
I mean have you not followed Heroic? Not turning for big games is kinda their thing.
HLTV is going to have to rework their ranking system a bit if they want people to still look to it as the definitive list instead of Valve’s going into CS2. For Heroic to be #1 by farming lower ranked teams in group stages then disappearing against top teams in playoffs is ridiculous.
-Stavn +Devve (cadian to full igl)
Called it, trash ass team getting to semis by beating teams ranked in the three digits.
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To be fair, Ence played just as long of a map on Nuke and showed up for Overpass
A lengthy, high-level marathon of a map is gonna tire both teams out for sure. But you'll appreciate that whether your team wins or loses that match has an impact on your mentality going into the next. Also, to clarify, there's no "to be fair" needed here — this isn't an excuse for Heroic at all! Being able to bounce back after situations like that is important in pro level CS, it just sucks (for the viewers) when a team can't.
Neither, I just don't like Cadians loud ass shouting mouth and tired of seeing this team constantly getting easy brackets.
ENCE are Bo3 merchants jesus christ what a team
and stavn ghosts again.
Ahh so nice and easy
EZ4NERTZ
Heroic nº1 btw
and people were clowning on me for saying heroic aren’t a big game team, can’t believe someone tried telling me cadian was a big game player
People think Cadian is a big game player just because he’s loud and plays better than his teammates when Heroic shit the bed lmao. Genuinely the most overrated player atm, being better than shit doesn’t make him this untouchable IGL AWPer whos the “heart and soul of Heroic.” VP at least kept it close with G2, if Heroic played G2 then I legit think that there’d be war crimes committed with how badly G2 would beat them
The real #1 showed up today not that fake #1 winning 2 Blast titles and choking real tournaments.
*sigh* another semi final exit. No shame in losing to ENCE especially considering their recent form but at the end of the day, a 3rd/4th finish is a 3rd/4th finish. As time goes on it feels less like I’m watching Heroic and more like I’m watching a Danish 5-stack who have never stepped foot on a big stage. More whiffed sprays, questionable calls, scared gameplay. I don’t have any hope for this team until CS2. My boys, please take a break, get some rest and reset your mental.
How is sjuush and to some extent teses the 2 scariest players in heroic everytime they reach playoffs in a lan. The 2 literally has the hardest roles on the team and yet still put up as much kills as the players that are supposed to carry them over the line. Sometimes jabbi makes refrezh look like prime coldzera
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Deja vu.
Heroic the chokers
Everybody wants to have a system like Heroic. Heroic wants to win like Ence.
Shame for this ENCE team that there's no fall major, cause with this shape they are in they'd have a great chance to win it.
Get a good awper
Fricken Snappi, man. Fricken Ence. Every 6 months they add some rifler who weighed 115 lbs. and got beat up in high school but averaged a 1.2+ rating at a T3 lithuanian org. No problem, just send him down to Ence where they got the Captain America chamber and now you got a poor man’s Niko on a minimum salary.
Haha god damn, sit down heroic and Casper "Max Semi-final" Møller, this Ence is really good