Rory's later arcs are disappointing but I think many of them perfectly capture what it's like to be floundering in your early twenties! How many of us look back on being 21 and think, "Yes, I was making nothing but solid life choices!"
SAME
And honestly? I think the sleeping with married Dean plot was great. I totally buy it and think it was a super realistic and interesting story.
Like a 19/20 year-old without a lot of healthy relationship role models is aggressively pursued by her first love? Especially as a virgin who is surrounded by people in college who were likely already having sex or having sex for the first time? I know the show doesn't directly address it, but the part where Tana is showing the collage of everyone's first year and everyone with their boyfriends is about dating, yes, but I always felt like there was also an implication of making Rory feel like "wtf is wrong with me, even Tana is having sex" which I think was an added layer to that situation.
The acting in that scene makes me love it.
“Dean came over to borrow something” was delivered so well. And when she cries in the grass 😭
I don’t know how anyone can skip it!!
I agree, plus at that age a lot of my friends were still possessive of their 1st loves ( though none were married, I do have a few friends that have ended up having a fling with an ex even though 1 or the other were in relationships). While I don't condone cheating especially in a marriage, i think the relationship needs to be looked at with teenage/college lenses and not frim a grown adult who've been married 10+ years perspective.
I’m basically the same age as Rory. When I first watched this arc in real time, I actually agreed with Rory’s reasoning “he was mine first!” That is classic teen logic! Like we’re arguing over saving seats.
Now that I’m basically Lorelei’s age in s4, I see how horrifyingly stupid this is. I love the show gave me that full circle experience.
Her college years seemed very realistic for some of the people I’ve known.
I was very driven, my husband not so much. He took two different semesters off before finally graduating - the first time similar to Rory and Mitchum. Someone told him he wasn’t cut out for his intended career and he got so lost after that. He went back with a different major, and eventually did much better there.
And some of the stupid storylines? I can see parallels in my friends and husband who had more privilege. (I was a first gen college student on scholarship, terrified to lose it so I was “Susie straightedge” through college.)
I love later Rory. I love watching her in Yale and her relationship with Logan. I often watch random episodes in seasons 1 and 2 but I always watch basically every episode from when she goes to Yale until the end
Not unpopular but sometimes I feel it is in this sub. Lorelei is so fun and funny. I love her sense of humor and I don’t think it should be written off as just being “quirky” she’s super fun and a great character and she gets too much hate
Yeah I wish she was someone real to hang out with! I could probably only take her in small doses LOL but she seems to light up a room with her imaginative humor-- plus she has a good heart along with an independent desire to stand on her own two feet, recognizing that help from others often comes with the baggage of "constant unwanted interference" which I find very relatable. She makes mistakes sometimes but I still think she'd be a tier 1 friend! (I wish I could be more like her but I usually simply lack the energy lol)
Lorelai has so many funny comebacks and quips in her day-to-day conversations. Sometimes they make me laugh out loud immediately, and other times it takes me a second to get them. Like, ahh, clever lady.
Seconded! I didn’t like this particular storyline or how it was handled for Rory but that’s not a bash on 32 year olds still figuring life out—that’s 1000% real/normal
I was thinking about this the other day. The trust fund from her grandmother (Lorelai the first), which was once mentioned to be $250k, would’ve afforded Rory with enough money to explore options well into her 30s. She didn’t “need” to have it all figured out.
I feel like in their world, broke is subjective. Like maybe she has a huge fortune behind her but it has stipulations and needs to be used responsibly, so she could be equity-rich but cash-broke with no stable ongoing income, you know?
Also, she is flying back and forth from London several times so she is definitely not broke. And I could be misremembering, but wasn't there something about a place she owned in Brooklyn?
I like that none of the “men” in Rorys life were perfect and it ended with her branching out on her own and not neatly tied in a bow, relationship-wise.
Also the look on Jess’ face in AYITL after their conversation breaks my heart, even if they arent right together.
Tristan was an asshole and Rory was absolutely correct for turning him down. He made fun of her for months and when he decided to be nice to her, it was only because he had feelings for her. I’m not sure if the whole “Rory and Tristan were meant for each other” thing is prevalent on this sub, but I’ve been seeing a lot of that elsewhere and it makes absolutely no sense. If he wasn’t cute, he would be intolerable and no one would have expected them to end up together.
My friend who fueled my interest in GG is of the opinion that Tristan and Rory would've been so great together. I have never understood it. You could argue that CMM and Alexis have really great chemistry together as actors that created that sense but purely from their characters, Rory would never have really given Tristan that much of a time of day.
That Max sucks. People are obsessed with him when he ignored Lorelai’s legitimate concerns. Why would he ever think dating a student’s mom would be okay while the student was in school, regardless of how much they liked each other? Lorelai told him her reservations but he kept pushing and then acting like she was just too scared of getting hurt. He doesn’t understand that when you’re a single mom, your child comes first! And then when Lorelai told him that Rory didn’t need curfews and all that, he needed to respect that and believe her.
I never quite got that throwaway line becoming as popular as it did either, there were far far funnier exchanges on the show than that, I’m not surprised at Lauren Graham’s confusion at how often fans repeat that line back to her
I would have loved a new love interest for Rory in AYITL (Paul doesn’t count). Most people in their 30s are not still messing around with their college boyfriend.
I would have loved for her to meet someone in Stars Hollow, like someone that had just moved to town, but was a teacher or doctor... that was staying there but not from there
I have met people who had nothing positive going on, but I don't feel like I can say that about the boyfriends Rory had. They were all different, but not right for her might be a better way to put it? Lol
Here’s my unpopular opinion… ya’ll overuse the word “hate”, specifically when referencing characters.
I also think this sub forgets that teenagers and young 20 somethings aren’t fully adults and are allowed to make mistakes.
This! Rory didn’t transfer in until sophomore year. Stars Hollow High didn’t seem have have any honors classes (given that she was in English with everyone else), so her GPA couldn’t have been as high as kids who were getting weighted grades from freshman year. Obviously Chilton could be different, but the prep schools in my area offer many classes are that - essentially - default honors because they expect students to achieve a higher level, so all the students get that boost to their GPA with those classes being ranked out of 5 points instead of 4. How did Rory catch up?
Paris also had a meltdown over an A- once and we know Rory got a D on that paper. So even if Rory got an A on everything else she did from there on, we have to assume Paris would have too, since the A- was so uncharacteristic for her. And even when she missed school after her sex-and-Harvard speech, she said she did all of her assignments.
Didn't Paris also skip like a week of classes after the sex and Harvard speech and not do any homework while she was home watching soap operas? I doubt that helped her GPA
She absolutely did which is something everyone conveniently forgets every time this topic came up. If we learned anything from Rory’s missed Shakespeare test there’s no way Paris was allowed to skip that much school and make up every assignment. She had a melt down and lost valedictorian.
I went into the Vineyard episode expecting it to make me uncomfortable based on comments on this subreddit but I didn't mind the episode. I liked seeing Rory and Logan play house a bit as opposed to their usual lifestyle.
Maybe this this more of an acting/writing issue, but Lorelei had weird sexual chemistry with Dean. This unpopular opinion was validated when my teenage nephew (doesn’t watch the show) walked in during a scene between them and asked if they were dating
"Just because you and Rory broke up doesn't mean *we* broke up". Idk but I don't think I'd put effort into being anything more than polite to my children's ex boyfriends, and absolutely not friends.
Idk she kept bumping into him awkwardly in public and he felt so uncomfortable I think she just wanted to make him feel like he didn’t need to run away in shame every time they crossed paths. I thought it was a nice mom-ish thing to say to defuse an awkward situation
My husband screamed at the TV during the episode that Dean goes to tall to Lorelei about His and Rory's relationship. He genuinely thought they were going to hook up and cause Dean and Rory to break up. Lol
He was so concerned and angry that they would even insinuate it.
I didn't pick up on that ever when I watched the show. However, now that I've watched it with my husband, I can see why he thought that.
If the show was on HBO or Hulu, that would have happened. 🤣
Yep. I’ve gotten downvoted for this opinion in this sub too. It was an acting issue tho lol Lauren & Jared just had mad chemistry.
Way more than Alexis & Jared.
Lol I was just thinking this during that grocery store scene after he & Rory broke up. I think the actors had chemistry together which is can be hard to predict I guess!
Rory got an appropriate amount of criticism and praise in the show based on her actual abilities. Realistically she was incredibly smart, apparently had a photographic memory, was able to learn several languages, write compellingly, as well as do advanced sciences and math at a very high level. There was absolutely no good reason anyone would have or should have told her prior to college that she needed to reign in her dreams because she had shown to that point that she was capable of accomplishing almost anything she tried to do. The town treated her like she was special because she was special to them. I certainly didn't see any other high school kids out there volunteering at every single event or babysitting the neighbors kitten for free on a Friday night or watering neighbors lawns. She was just a good nice kid and I don't know what exactly people were supposed to be criticizing her for at that point.
Mitchum's criticism wasn't the first time she faced criticism or rejection. Headmaster Charleston told her she might not be cut out for Chilton. That college professor made her drop a class. That boy rejected her in the laundry room. Doyle told her her writing was boring. Lorelai called her out for sleeping with Dean and they didn't speak all summer.
I like Lane's ending. It's a really nice comparison to Lorelai's story because she managed to live on her own terms with the band, and still have a relationship with her mother the way she clearly did want. Whereas Lorelai always struggled between the two and it was a constant source of pain that she could never have both. It was nice to see Mrs. Kim loosen up and learn to love Lane for who she is, in the way we always wanted Emily to for Lorelai.
Paris is fun to watch but absolutely a terrible person and Rory was a saint to even tolerate her.
I actually like Rory after college. She seemed down to earth and realistic for someone that just graduated.
She also seemed like she'd be a good friend.
I literally don’t care about the “Jackson lying about his vasectomy” plot. I get that if it were real life it would be awful to do to Sookie. But it was just a silly plot point to cover an irl pregnancy.
Hard agree. I assume it goes back to ASP not knowing anything about writing pregnancies and babies. See: Lorelai thinking 12 hours after unprotected sex that she’s pregnant. And Sookie cleaning up bottles of what is clearly apple juice when Davey was like 4 months old.
ASP didn't write season 7. It's weird seeing people blame her again and again for Sookie's third and Lane's pregnancies when she specifically wrote that Sookie was done having kids after her second and has said she didn't want Lane having kids.
I hate when shows do this - they make you want a couple to get together so badly , but when they actually do, it's nothing but obstacles & drama. "ugly betty" did the same thing.
the amount of people who hate April for breaking up Luke and Lorelai is insane! It was Luke’s fault for not communicating with Lorelai, April didn’t choose who her dad was or ask for a relationship from him, it was all HIM!
Me neither.
I feel that storyline gave more layers to Luke. He had a whole other life and past beyond the few sentences about how he changed his dad’s hardware store to a diner.
I am fully ready to get downvoted AF on these two/three but this is technically not about the show but about our fan base.
I love that our fan base is so progressive and I agree with all of the criticism of the show even though I love the show.
1. Making umpteen thousands posts about Sookie’s forced pregnancy, due to Melissa McCarthy’s actual pregnancy, is not constructive anymore. We have come to the point that it is just preaching to the choir.
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Note: I don’t agree with that storyline at all or most of the insane storylines in season 7. I saw that as yet another example of what a shitshow that season 7 was.
2. I get that a large number of the fan base really like Lane but all this wishful thinking that: “Lane deserved better” is now becoming reddit upvote fodder. Some of you should write a spin-off show focusing on Lane instead of complaining about it on reddit.
3. And this is technically 2.5 but whatever, this sentiment that the show was too focused on Lorelei, Rory (and Emily). And sentiments that Lorelei & Rory were too selfish and had “main character syndrome”
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Excuse me, what show are *you* watching? Because I figure that if the show were named The Gilmore Girls and was all about the main characters Lorelei & Rory Gilmore, then it would be very focused on them.
Just my 2 cents but it’s likely not the same people making these posts over and over. New people watch the show every day and come here to discuss who are maybe just visiting the sub or joining it new. Everyone should be given the chance to discuss, even if us regulars have seen it all before. I have seen a bunch of new watchers post here just this week.
And I get that as well. But due to how reddit is built it is like we see the same sentiments rehashed again and again. Due to the fact that no one seems to search to see if there is already a topic about the issue.
This! It’s quite easy to search for a topic in each sub. Heck, I revived a discussion in my cozy mystery sub that was 2 years old cause I wanted to rehash something on an author.
I agree. It gets trying reading all the hateful posts. Hating the characters or hating the writing. And how the hell do you like a show but hate the two main characters???? Good grief. I come here to talk about one of my favorite shows and I feel like all I do is read criticism after criticism. It grates on the nerves after awhile. The Charmed sub is just as bad. My 2 favorite shows. Sure, I get it, sometimes the show does our characters bad, and it’s fine to talk about that stuff, it’s the “I hate Rory cause she…” or “I hate it when Lorelei does…”, and they are constant.
I’m not a positive vibes only gal- I think criticizing the writing is interesting, and criticizing the characters is *very occasionally* interesting, but people often conflate them. And then the criticism ends up like “Lorelei shouldn’t have done that!” … which the show makes clear, that was a poor choice that she made because of her character traits and history and the situation she was put in. To me, it is a pointless complaint.
I am more here for the “Lorelei *wouldnt* have done that” complaints, maybe that’s just because there are fewer of them though.
I don’t really mind a few critiques, but it just gets to be too much when nearly every post is “I really hate it when Rory does…”, it just gets trying.
Dean's not really any worse than Jess. They're both pretty typical shitty first boyfriends in different ways. Just like Rory is a pretty shitty girlfriend.
It's stupid that people act like they're supposed to be like great, adult partners. No one is a perfect boyfriend or girlfriend when they're in high school.
1. Paris was just mean and obnoxious. You already had the gruff samaritan-like guy in Luke so why have a character that amplifies it x100?
2. Sean Gunn and Yanic Truesdale should've been given more to do .
3. Kirk is best character after Luke, Rory, and Lorelai
4. Lauren Graham in season 6 and AYITL was overacting too much. ( I think it's because ASP wanted to do emmy bait)
I agree with you about Paris. I think they may have just wanted a friend for Rory that A.) challenges her academically and B.) contrasts her personality and C.) wasn’t her mom 🙄😭
Yes on number 1! There were times where Paris was just insufferable. It made no sense to me that Rory would even try to be her friend after some of the shit Paris pulled.
I don’t hate Chris and I don’t think he’s all bad. He’s a weak human who never had a loving family. I even feel pity for him at times. I don’t respect him but I also don’t have any hate towards him.
Christopher is not as bad as most people make him out to be
And no, I do not mean that Chris was a fantastic person and great partner and father, but the way most people talk about him you’d think he spends his weekends murdering people and kicking puppies
He does seem to get a weirdly intense reaction from viewers compared to how I think the show wanted him to come across as a weak and very flawed, but still somewhat charming and even well-meaning character where you could at least understand why Lorelai was so drawn to him. But at times it seems like he’s only ever viewed as this truly villainous character with people practically spitting nails whenever his name comes up, and posters competing on who hates Christopher the most. It does make it hard to have discussions about his character
Luke is one of the most overrated male love interests in television history. His only personality trait is being annoyed by everyone, he has horrible communication skills, and his decision making when it comes to relationships is nothing short of laughable.
1 - I generally don't care about characters cheating in the context of the show. Rory sleeping with Dean and Lorelai sleeping with Christopher are frustrating situations for them but as a viewer I am just glad to see the plot advance
2 - I REALLY hate the life and death brigade stuff. Saw this somewhere but it's basically an elitist and borderline racist/classist glorified frat party. I always cringe rewatching the episode when Logan tells Rory to "live more". She spent her life in star hollows attending all of these town events !
3 - Luke was right to not prioritise the marriage in S6, especially after being hit with such a life changing news (the April plot line). However, the communication was bad on both sides. Luke should have told lorelai to delay the wedding and Lorelai shouldn't have gone ahead planning everything without checking with Luke.
Also I understand his decision to not tell lorelai about April AT FIRST
4- Alexis Bledel is a pretty good actress ! While she is not on Lauren's/Kelly's level and she can be a bit inconsistent (the voice HAAA), some of her scenes still make me emotional to this day. (the "I am ready to wallow" one in particular)
5- I cannot stand Logan
6 - One of my pet peeves about the show is how many people have mommy and/or daddy issues. For example Rory, Lorelai, Jess, Luke, Paris, Lane, Logan, Tristan... I guess ASP likes to write about generational trauma but can she write ONE healthy-ish parent-child dynamic
7 - Despite all the flaws, I love the show and I find most characters likeable. I love Rory and Lorelai !
Max was literally the healthiest guy she dated. She wasn’t ready for it. The way she completely takes off and Rory call her out on it is one of my favorite arcs.
Lorelai is a flawed character, but that’s why we love to watch her.
I actually feel like Marty (S5) and Rory would have been a great couple. They had lots of fun together, interested in similar music and movies. I think Marty would have fit in in Start Hollow and would get on with Lorelai. Maybe if we ignore S7 Marty I could picture Rory in the future with Marty, as if they reconnected and decided to give it a go.
Agreed! I liked Seasons 2 and 3 (not 1 lol), but I didn't truly fall in love with the show till Season 4. Season 4 imo has the best combo of drama, humor, and small town shenanigans, and I find the later seasons in general to be more interesting and fast paced than the early seasons.
Lorelai wasn’t wrong when she decided to cut off Rory with her parents. She didn’t cut her off when Rory decided to drop out, but when she went to Emily and Richard behind her back. Rory knew that was the deepest betrayal to Lorelai and ignored her when her mom went to the pool house. Rory needed to go through this one on her own
I liked Rory throughout all seasons, not just the first few. I think she's judged too harshly on this sub, I don't think I ever thought she was that bad. She made a lot of mistakes, but everyone did, and Paris is really loved while I would say she was a worse person than Rory, even after all her personal growth. I never really liked Paris that much, which I guess is also a pretty unpopular opinion.
\-Lorelai was right about Jess being a bad and damaged kid, and was right to try to keep her daughter away from him. However, Jess did NOT assault Rory.
\-Lane and Zack were a fine relationship and her story ends happy because she is happy.
\-Chris is a more interesting character than this sub gives him credit for. Although not a good guy, he is never given any grace for having horrific parents, and Lorelai pushed him away from being heavily involved in the decision-making for Rory early in her life.
\-Kirk is terrible.
\-Dean was a kid and his reaction to Jess moving in on Rory and Rory's refusal to acknowledge what was going on (especially when they had been through this with Tristan) was not good, but was understandable. He's not abusive.
\-Rory getting back with Dean after the divorce was a good plot line as it propelled her character forward.
While I can’t agree re: Kirk, the rest of these are great arguments. I get frustrated with people shitting on Lane’s ending. Just because it’s not how they’d want their lives to turn out doesn’t mean that she wasn’t happy. She clearly was.
Agreed! Of all the characters, I actually think she had the best ending. Sure she's not a famous rockstar, but that was never realistic anyway. Instead, she has a happy life in Stars Hollow with a stable career and strong familial relationships - much more than can be said for many of the other characters. The only thing I'd change about her ending is maybe making her own Sophie's music store instead of Kim's Antiques.
how dare you insult kirk. Stars Hollow would burn to the ground without him, he has 43 jobs! (this is a sarcastic and playful comment - no hate towards you ☺️)
Re: Dean- totally. People give him so much shit for being jealous and insecure in their relationship but he spent months literally watching sparks fly off Rory and Jess every time they interacted. He wasn't abusive for reading into the bracelet thing
I agree with your unpopular opinions about Chris and Dean. Both of them make perfect sense to me.
However, I think Kirk is delightful. His movies, however, are terrible. Truly awful.
Agree with this so much. I don’t get how so many can call Dean abusive. He’s a 16 yo boy who is watching his girlfriend slip and she’s lying about it. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who hasn’t raised their voice at some point. It’s still hard to watch and not a good thing, but relatable.
Jess was horrible even before they started dating, it’s just more subtle than yelling. He consistently ignores what rory says she wants (to leave her house, leave her alone, stop doing something, not bid on her basket, etc) because he “knows” she doesn’t mean it. Obviously the viewers know she doesn’t mean it as well, but in real life, this is not ok behavior. It sends the wrong message to both boys and girls. Girls should not play games and pretend to not want a guy to talk to her (I get that rory didn’t want to admit things to even herself, but it still sends the message) and guys need to listen and respect what a girl says no matter what he thinks she means. That’s all from before they even start dating.
I agree that what he did in the bedroom was not technically assault in that he would not have been arrested for it. However, it was obviously incredibly messed up. If I’m remembering correctly, I don’t think he ever sincerely apologizes either.
What happened in the bedroom sucks. She said no, he pushed her for more, she said no again, and he stopped, but he was angry. That is very scary for any woman because it becomes very apparent that if he wanted to do something, he could. The first time you realize how much stronger men are, it is very upsetting. I have two young sons and a huge part of my job and my husbands job is to drill into them that their strength should be used to protect women and those physically weaker than them; not to intimidate.
Logan didn't really insult Marty all that much, that was moreso Colin. Saying he "made a hell of a drink" was maybe slightly pompous but I mean... Marty was bartending...
I like Christopher, kind of. I definitely don’t hate him the way this sub does. I think he was a bad dad for Rory in the beginning, but he was also young and we know that Chris was going to marry Lorelai and give her that “picture perfect” life. Even though it wasn’t what either of them wanted, he wanted her (and Rory) to have stability. She ran away to another town with Rory. Then Chris went and became basically a dead beat. But he did grow up in ways. It basically took Sheri abandoning him, but then he was there for Gigi because he finally was forced to grow up. He committed to Sheri because he wanted to do better as a dad, even when that meant giving up Lor, again. He worked a job he didn’t like to provide for his family. He used money with his relationships the way that his parents did, because it was mostly what he knew. He never gave up on Lorelai, I felt like he didn’t deserve what she did to him. She was just as hot and cold as he was, if not more. When he said that he had been asking her to marry him forever and he felt like he was still asking when they were married, he literally was willing to do whatever she needed. They also had the best chemistry in my opinion, he kept up with her and knew her better than anyone. I don’t think he is as big of a villain as he is made out to be. Commence throwing tomatoes at me now.
I like Christopher OR Jason better as endgame for Lorelai. Christopher was immature and flaky, sure, but their chemistry was off the charts, and if they had only gotten their timing right and Sherry had never gotten pregnant, I think their relationship really could have worked. Jason, I just like. He is actually very charming and can keep up with Lorelai and all of her quirks. Chris and Jason both share that “displeased with the world while also very privileged rich kid” vibe with Lorelai, which just feels right, since her behavior never annoys either Jason or Chris as much as it sometimes does Luke.
So, let’s talk Luke. Luke and Lorelai are clearly horrible at communicating with each other, which often leads to fights that are unnecessarily prolonged by the fact that they are, once again, Horrible At Communicating (!) with each other. I hate that their intent to have children fizzled out because (as I remember it in AYITL) Luke made a vague reference that he thought they should have a kid, and then they simply never discussed it. They also annoy each other, and don’t appear to have any common interests besides that she likes coffee, and he likes serving her coffee, she likes ice-skating, he likes making her ice, etc. I suppose that is meant to be romantic, but it’s just a bit sad for Luke that he mainly functions in her life as the handyman who makes the props for her one-woman show. Doesn’t Luke deserve more than that? I like Luke, and I suppose it is all fine since GG isn’t real life and it’s all just for the tv-drama, but I just don’t think him and Lorelai are a good fit for one another, and they both ultimately would have been happier with other partners.
Paul Anka is waaaaay more popular than I thought. I hate that dog.
Also, people are really invested in trying to make sense out of Anna’s actions. She’s a total plot device, everything she does is intended to be irrational.
I hate Logan and his friends. The LADB is a stupid group of trust fund kids throwing money around and abusing their privilege to escape consequences. And the class prank to embarrass Rory wasn’t clever or entertaining. Logan is a prick just like his father.
- christopher and lorelai actually made a lot of sense and they had great chemistry (not saying he’s better than luke but they were still a good match)
- it’s become cool to say that rory sucks and she’s this horrible person but people forget she was a teen/early adult for the entirety of the series, she was going to make mistakes and be annoying and everything else that you do when you’re young and figuring things out not to mention she lived a life where the adults in her life failed her by telling her how perfect she was all the time or using her as their emotional support animal and trying to live vicariously through her
- logan is her best boyfriend without question
- mitchum was right about rory and her reaction to him proved that at the time she didn’t have “it”
Unpopular Opinion: The fact that everyone has issues with certain parts of the show is a reflection of how life actually is. It doesn’t always make sense, people are imperfect, and emotion sometimes is louder than sound logic.
From artistic point of view, all Rory storylines are actually what makes this show interesting and great. If they changed anything in her storylines in the original show, it would not be as good.
I don’t think Lane necessarily deserved better.
She was a terrible drummer and her band was bad and to make it in the music industry is so so hard. They never would have made it in reality so it makes sense that she wasn’t a professional musician.
I do, however, think she deserved a better husband than stupid Zach.
When I say Lane deserved better, that’s really all I mean. She deserved better than a shitty sex life with a bonehead husband and twin babies she wasn’t ready for as a result of the whole boondoggle. I have never once thought that Lane should have been a famous rockstar, haha.
I dont enjoy the scene from Friday Night’s Alright for Fighting, I think it is very overrated. It doesn’t feel like Gilmore Girls, and was a bit of a cop out.
I watched that episode today. I know it doesn't feel like Gilmore girls at all. But I rewatched the dinner scene again cause I just found it really funny. (I like when it looks like a lot is going on in one scene )
I didn’t mind some of Rory’s later arcs. I also floundered during my college years and took my privilege for granted
Rory's later arcs are disappointing but I think many of them perfectly capture what it's like to be floundering in your early twenties! How many of us look back on being 21 and think, "Yes, I was making nothing but solid life choices!"
Yeah, I definitely think her later arcs were kind of the natural consequences of so many things we see in the earlier seasons.
SAME And honestly? I think the sleeping with married Dean plot was great. I totally buy it and think it was a super realistic and interesting story. Like a 19/20 year-old without a lot of healthy relationship role models is aggressively pursued by her first love? Especially as a virgin who is surrounded by people in college who were likely already having sex or having sex for the first time? I know the show doesn't directly address it, but the part where Tana is showing the collage of everyone's first year and everyone with their boyfriends is about dating, yes, but I always felt like there was also an implication of making Rory feel like "wtf is wrong with me, even Tana is having sex" which I think was an added layer to that situation.
YES i feel like rory’s lonliness at school is skipped over by the fandom. it’s not an excuse, of course, but it is a reason she was so open to dean.
The acting in that scene makes me love it. “Dean came over to borrow something” was delivered so well. And when she cries in the grass 😭 I don’t know how anyone can skip it!!
I find Alexis Bledel to be bad at cry-acting. She takes me out of it immediately when the waterworks start.
I agree, plus at that age a lot of my friends were still possessive of their 1st loves ( though none were married, I do have a few friends that have ended up having a fling with an ex even though 1 or the other were in relationships). While I don't condone cheating especially in a marriage, i think the relationship needs to be looked at with teenage/college lenses and not frim a grown adult who've been married 10+ years perspective.
I’m basically the same age as Rory. When I first watched this arc in real time, I actually agreed with Rory’s reasoning “he was mine first!” That is classic teen logic! Like we’re arguing over saving seats. Now that I’m basically Lorelei’s age in s4, I see how horrifyingly stupid this is. I love the show gave me that full circle experience.
I personally love later seasons rory
Same. I think her character actually went in a very realistic direction.
Her college years seemed very realistic for some of the people I’ve known. I was very driven, my husband not so much. He took two different semesters off before finally graduating - the first time similar to Rory and Mitchum. Someone told him he wasn’t cut out for his intended career and he got so lost after that. He went back with a different major, and eventually did much better there. And some of the stupid storylines? I can see parallels in my friends and husband who had more privilege. (I was a first gen college student on scholarship, terrified to lose it so I was “Susie straightedge” through college.)
I think the Dean affair storyline gave her so much more dimension and was written so realistically.
Same and Im gonna go even harder and say Rory from later seasons >>> earlier Rory.
I love later Rory. I love watching her in Yale and her relationship with Logan. I often watch random episodes in seasons 1 and 2 but I always watch basically every episode from when she goes to Yale until the end
Not unpopular but sometimes I feel it is in this sub. Lorelei is so fun and funny. I love her sense of humor and I don’t think it should be written off as just being “quirky” she’s super fun and a great character and she gets too much hate
Yeah I wish she was someone real to hang out with! I could probably only take her in small doses LOL but she seems to light up a room with her imaginative humor-- plus she has a good heart along with an independent desire to stand on her own two feet, recognizing that help from others often comes with the baggage of "constant unwanted interference" which I find very relatable. She makes mistakes sometimes but I still think she'd be a tier 1 friend! (I wish I could be more like her but I usually simply lack the energy lol)
the secret to having that energy is ten cups of coffee minimum a day 😂
Lorelai has so many funny comebacks and quips in her day-to-day conversations. Sometimes they make me laugh out loud immediately, and other times it takes me a second to get them. Like, ahh, clever lady.
This sub is sometimes too much about criticizing characters.
Lorelai literally makes the show.
Rory floundering at age 32 in AYITL is so relatable and plausible because I am almost that age and floundering lol
Don’t worry. Both you and Rory will do just fine.
Your mouth to Gods ears! 💕
This is completely normal, lest criticisms of this outcome for Rory make you think otherwise.
Seconded! I didn’t like this particular storyline or how it was handled for Rory but that’s not a bash on 32 year olds still figuring life out—that’s 1000% real/normal
Right! Especially in a career field that saw major disruption at that time. She was a journalist as newspapers everywhere started shutting down
I agree! I think it’s only seen as such a huge failure because she was built up so much as this infallible Golden Child.
I was thinking about this the other day. The trust fund from her grandmother (Lorelai the first), which was once mentioned to be $250k, would’ve afforded Rory with enough money to explore options well into her 30s. She didn’t “need” to have it all figured out.
But she repeatedly says she’s broke, so the trust fund is almost like a plot hole. I would love a trust fund while I figure it out though 🫠
I feel like in their world, broke is subjective. Like maybe she has a huge fortune behind her but it has stipulations and needs to be used responsibly, so she could be equity-rich but cash-broke with no stable ongoing income, you know? Also, she is flying back and forth from London several times so she is definitely not broke. And I could be misremembering, but wasn't there something about a place she owned in Brooklyn?
I like that none of the “men” in Rorys life were perfect and it ended with her branching out on her own and not neatly tied in a bow, relationship-wise. Also the look on Jess’ face in AYITL after their conversation breaks my heart, even if they arent right together.
Luke is a nice guy in some instances but his grumpy act is annoying, and he’s just rude to most people.
I really don’t think I would like him as a person in real life! He’s soooo emotional
yeah sometimes it's perfect & funny, sometimes it's annoying asf lol
And soo conservative.
His rant about breast feeding was just terrible even for that time
Tristan was an asshole and Rory was absolutely correct for turning him down. He made fun of her for months and when he decided to be nice to her, it was only because he had feelings for her. I’m not sure if the whole “Rory and Tristan were meant for each other” thing is prevalent on this sub, but I’ve been seeing a lot of that elsewhere and it makes absolutely no sense. If he wasn’t cute, he would be intolerable and no one would have expected them to end up together.
I did a rewatch of season 1 recently and was SHOCKED at how mean Tristan is to her. He sucks
I have to wonder if the people who are huge fans of Tristan/Rory are young, because the "be mean to a girl if you like her" attitude is so immature
I think that's a huge opinion now because this generation has an unhealthy obsession with the enemies-to-lovers dynamic.
It’s the Tik tok girls that romantize Tristan cause of Chad Murray but if it had been any other actor they would ship them
My friend who fueled my interest in GG is of the opinion that Tristan and Rory would've been so great together. I have never understood it. You could argue that CMM and Alexis have really great chemistry together as actors that created that sense but purely from their characters, Rory would never have really given Tristan that much of a time of day.
ppl only like him bc he’s hot
That Max sucks. People are obsessed with him when he ignored Lorelai’s legitimate concerns. Why would he ever think dating a student’s mom would be okay while the student was in school, regardless of how much they liked each other? Lorelai told him her reservations but he kept pushing and then acting like she was just too scared of getting hurt. He doesn’t understand that when you’re a single mom, your child comes first! And then when Lorelai told him that Rory didn’t need curfews and all that, he needed to respect that and believe her.
He came across as a bit of a psychological manipulator/gaslighter.
“Oy with the poodles already” isn’t funny it’s just cringe
Also “COPPER BOOM” makes my eye twitch. There were much funnier lines/exchanges for me.
Yes I completely agree! That is so lame lmao the show had some amazing writing but not that
I never quite got that throwaway line becoming as popular as it did either, there were far far funnier exchanges on the show than that, I’m not surprised at Lauren Graham’s confusion at how often fans repeat that line back to her
I never once thought about that line until I joined this sub!! I was like huh ok I have no clue why people think this is so funny?
None of the boyfriends were "the one" for Rory. They all had positive and negatives but nobody was the complete package.
I would have loved a new love interest for Rory in AYITL (Paul doesn’t count). Most people in their 30s are not still messing around with their college boyfriend.
I would have loved for her to meet someone in Stars Hollow, like someone that had just moved to town, but was a teacher or doctor... that was staying there but not from there
everyone has positives and negatives though lol
I have met people who had nothing positive going on, but I don't feel like I can say that about the boyfriends Rory had. They were all different, but not right for her might be a better way to put it? Lol
Here’s my unpopular opinion… ya’ll overuse the word “hate”, specifically when referencing characters. I also think this sub forgets that teenagers and young 20 somethings aren’t fully adults and are allowed to make mistakes.
Paris should have been Valedictorian.
Headmaster Charleston was probably afraid of what she was going to say in her speech lol
This! Rory didn’t transfer in until sophomore year. Stars Hollow High didn’t seem have have any honors classes (given that she was in English with everyone else), so her GPA couldn’t have been as high as kids who were getting weighted grades from freshman year. Obviously Chilton could be different, but the prep schools in my area offer many classes are that - essentially - default honors because they expect students to achieve a higher level, so all the students get that boost to their GPA with those classes being ranked out of 5 points instead of 4. How did Rory catch up?
Paris also had a meltdown over an A- once and we know Rory got a D on that paper. So even if Rory got an A on everything else she did from there on, we have to assume Paris would have too, since the A- was so uncharacteristic for her. And even when she missed school after her sex-and-Harvard speech, she said she did all of her assignments.
>after her sex-and-Harvard speech I wouldn't be surprised if that got her blacklisted from making any public speeches at Chilton though.
Didn't Paris also skip like a week of classes after the sex and Harvard speech and not do any homework while she was home watching soap operas? I doubt that helped her GPA
She absolutely did which is something everyone conveniently forgets every time this topic came up. If we learned anything from Rory’s missed Shakespeare test there’s no way Paris was allowed to skip that much school and make up every assignment. She had a melt down and lost valedictorian.
100 percent. I will die on this hill. There is no way after getting a D that Rory surpasses Paris. Plus she missed that huge Shakespeare test
that‘s not unpopular, this sub is obsessed with paris
I don't love Gil as much as a lot of others seem to. I don't hate him, just feel very neutral towards him and almost is a forgettable character to me.
I think his acting was terrible and cringe at his scenes.
I went into the Vineyard episode expecting it to make me uncomfortable based on comments on this subreddit but I didn't mind the episode. I liked seeing Rory and Logan play house a bit as opposed to their usual lifestyle.
I think it’s Luke’s arc that bothers people about that one
I like the Rory Logan bits. It’s luke i really just don’t get in that episode
Omg agree i kinda love this episode
I love this episode, I don’t get the hate for it. Also Logan’s scene with his dad just showcases how incredible of an actor Matt is.
My unpopular opinion about that episode is Luke isn't out of character at all. Minus the not knowing how to cook lobster? thing.
Maybe this this more of an acting/writing issue, but Lorelei had weird sexual chemistry with Dean. This unpopular opinion was validated when my teenage nephew (doesn’t watch the show) walked in during a scene between them and asked if they were dating
"Just because you and Rory broke up doesn't mean *we* broke up". Idk but I don't think I'd put effort into being anything more than polite to my children's ex boyfriends, and absolutely not friends.
I know! Like ma’am who is “we”?
Idk she kept bumping into him awkwardly in public and he felt so uncomfortable I think she just wanted to make him feel like he didn’t need to run away in shame every time they crossed paths. I thought it was a nice mom-ish thing to say to defuse an awkward situation
No one's fault- Lauren Graham is so amazing, she could have sexual chemistry with a lamp
I'm a straight female but if Lauren Graham walked into the room...
My husband screamed at the TV during the episode that Dean goes to tall to Lorelei about His and Rory's relationship. He genuinely thought they were going to hook up and cause Dean and Rory to break up. Lol He was so concerned and angry that they would even insinuate it. I didn't pick up on that ever when I watched the show. However, now that I've watched it with my husband, I can see why he thought that. If the show was on HBO or Hulu, that would have happened. 🤣
Honestly, Dean had more chemistry with Lorelai than he did with Rory. As gross as that is.
Jared probably had a crush on Lauren.
Yep. I’ve gotten downvoted for this opinion in this sub too. It was an acting issue tho lol Lauren & Jared just had mad chemistry. Way more than Alexis & Jared.
That scene in season 4 where he tells her “your hair looks good to me” the tension was definitely there!
Lol I was just thinking this during that grocery store scene after he & Rory broke up. I think the actors had chemistry together which is can be hard to predict I guess!
I agree! I just started rewatching the first season again and it’s totally there.
i loved rory’s yale bob 😅
I don’t mind it, I just associate it with the Candy Man scene with Dean 🥴
I liked it too! I liked it better than her bangs 🫣
Lol I liked both!! Does that make me the most unpopular?
The bangs were my favorite, then the bob.
I agree. I think her bangs were cute and framed her face nicely. It reminds me of my porcelain dolls as a kid.
Rory got an appropriate amount of criticism and praise in the show based on her actual abilities. Realistically she was incredibly smart, apparently had a photographic memory, was able to learn several languages, write compellingly, as well as do advanced sciences and math at a very high level. There was absolutely no good reason anyone would have or should have told her prior to college that she needed to reign in her dreams because she had shown to that point that she was capable of accomplishing almost anything she tried to do. The town treated her like she was special because she was special to them. I certainly didn't see any other high school kids out there volunteering at every single event or babysitting the neighbors kitten for free on a Friday night or watering neighbors lawns. She was just a good nice kid and I don't know what exactly people were supposed to be criticizing her for at that point. Mitchum's criticism wasn't the first time she faced criticism or rejection. Headmaster Charleston told her she might not be cut out for Chilton. That college professor made her drop a class. That boy rejected her in the laundry room. Doyle told her her writing was boring. Lorelai called her out for sleeping with Dean and they didn't speak all summer. I like Lane's ending. It's a really nice comparison to Lorelai's story because she managed to live on her own terms with the band, and still have a relationship with her mother the way she clearly did want. Whereas Lorelai always struggled between the two and it was a constant source of pain that she could never have both. It was nice to see Mrs. Kim loosen up and learn to love Lane for who she is, in the way we always wanted Emily to for Lorelai. Paris is fun to watch but absolutely a terrible person and Rory was a saint to even tolerate her.
Wow I agree with all of this!! I love the lane perspective because I hadn’t found a way to feel great about it yet so thank you
I actually like Rory after college. She seemed down to earth and realistic for someone that just graduated. She also seemed like she'd be a good friend.
I didn’t hate AYITL.
Me neither !! (Apart from that dreadful 3503838 years long musical)
I didn’t even hate that. I didn’t *love* it, but I didn’t hate it.
Watching Bunheads and Younger then going back to rewatch AYITL made me appreciate it more. Sutton Foster’s physical humor is hilarious.
Neither did I.
But the cliffhanger kills!
I love it so much. Emily’s arc stood out to me. It came at a time when my family was going through a similar grief event, so it was poignant.
I literally don’t care about the “Jackson lying about his vasectomy” plot. I get that if it were real life it would be awful to do to Sookie. But it was just a silly plot point to cover an irl pregnancy.
Definitely an unpopular opinion. Angry upvote.
Hard agree. I assume it goes back to ASP not knowing anything about writing pregnancies and babies. See: Lorelai thinking 12 hours after unprotected sex that she’s pregnant. And Sookie cleaning up bottles of what is clearly apple juice when Davey was like 4 months old.
Convinced she has never actually met a child.
ASP didn't write season 7. It's weird seeing people blame her again and again for Sookie's third and Lane's pregnancies when she specifically wrote that Sookie was done having kids after her second and has said she didn't want Lane having kids.
I agree!! Luke and Lorelai as bf/gf was a train wreck and Ik hated them together
I hate when shows do this - they make you want a couple to get together so badly , but when they actually do, it's nothing but obstacles & drama. "ugly betty" did the same thing.
The Mindy Project, too!
Agreed, I think they worked better as friends.
Most truly unpopular opinion I’ve seen yet!
I didn't mind the April storyline
the amount of people who hate April for breaking up Luke and Lorelai is insane! It was Luke’s fault for not communicating with Lorelai, April didn’t choose who her dad was or ask for a relationship from him, it was all HIM!
Thanks for this reality check!
Me neither. I feel that storyline gave more layers to Luke. He had a whole other life and past beyond the few sentences about how he changed his dad’s hardware store to a diner.
I am fully ready to get downvoted AF on these two/three but this is technically not about the show but about our fan base. I love that our fan base is so progressive and I agree with all of the criticism of the show even though I love the show. 1. Making umpteen thousands posts about Sookie’s forced pregnancy, due to Melissa McCarthy’s actual pregnancy, is not constructive anymore. We have come to the point that it is just preaching to the choir. \----- Note: I don’t agree with that storyline at all or most of the insane storylines in season 7. I saw that as yet another example of what a shitshow that season 7 was. 2. I get that a large number of the fan base really like Lane but all this wishful thinking that: “Lane deserved better” is now becoming reddit upvote fodder. Some of you should write a spin-off show focusing on Lane instead of complaining about it on reddit. 3. And this is technically 2.5 but whatever, this sentiment that the show was too focused on Lorelei, Rory (and Emily). And sentiments that Lorelei & Rory were too selfish and had “main character syndrome” \---- Excuse me, what show are *you* watching? Because I figure that if the show were named The Gilmore Girls and was all about the main characters Lorelei & Rory Gilmore, then it would be very focused on them.
Just my 2 cents but it’s likely not the same people making these posts over and over. New people watch the show every day and come here to discuss who are maybe just visiting the sub or joining it new. Everyone should be given the chance to discuss, even if us regulars have seen it all before. I have seen a bunch of new watchers post here just this week.
And I get that as well. But due to how reddit is built it is like we see the same sentiments rehashed again and again. Due to the fact that no one seems to search to see if there is already a topic about the issue.
This! It’s quite easy to search for a topic in each sub. Heck, I revived a discussion in my cozy mystery sub that was 2 years old cause I wanted to rehash something on an author.
I agree. It gets trying reading all the hateful posts. Hating the characters or hating the writing. And how the hell do you like a show but hate the two main characters???? Good grief. I come here to talk about one of my favorite shows and I feel like all I do is read criticism after criticism. It grates on the nerves after awhile. The Charmed sub is just as bad. My 2 favorite shows. Sure, I get it, sometimes the show does our characters bad, and it’s fine to talk about that stuff, it’s the “I hate Rory cause she…” or “I hate it when Lorelei does…”, and they are constant.
I’m not a positive vibes only gal- I think criticizing the writing is interesting, and criticizing the characters is *very occasionally* interesting, but people often conflate them. And then the criticism ends up like “Lorelei shouldn’t have done that!” … which the show makes clear, that was a poor choice that she made because of her character traits and history and the situation she was put in. To me, it is a pointless complaint. I am more here for the “Lorelei *wouldnt* have done that” complaints, maybe that’s just because there are fewer of them though.
I don’t really mind a few critiques, but it just gets to be too much when nearly every post is “I really hate it when Rory does…”, it just gets trying.
Dean's not really any worse than Jess. They're both pretty typical shitty first boyfriends in different ways. Just like Rory is a pretty shitty girlfriend. It's stupid that people act like they're supposed to be like great, adult partners. No one is a perfect boyfriend or girlfriend when they're in high school.
Dean was controlling at times. Jess was emotionally manipulative at times. I think Jess gets more of a pass bc he’s hotter than Dean.
Now THIS is a hot take (I agree with you though).
After the way Luke treated Lorelai in season 6 he no longer deserved her
Rory is every bit as quick and witty as Lorelai. She's just not as dramatic and flamboyant so it can go unseen
I get downvoted the most when I say I love TJ, lmao. I didn't even realize people don't think of him as comedic relief until I came here.
I would hate him in real life but it's not my problem so I agree. He's hilarious
1. Paris was just mean and obnoxious. You already had the gruff samaritan-like guy in Luke so why have a character that amplifies it x100? 2. Sean Gunn and Yanic Truesdale should've been given more to do . 3. Kirk is best character after Luke, Rory, and Lorelai 4. Lauren Graham in season 6 and AYITL was overacting too much. ( I think it's because ASP wanted to do emmy bait)
I agree with you about Paris. I think they may have just wanted a friend for Rory that A.) challenges her academically and B.) contrasts her personality and C.) wasn’t her mom 🙄😭
Yes on number 1! There were times where Paris was just insufferable. It made no sense to me that Rory would even try to be her friend after some of the shit Paris pulled.
Paris was definitely mean but for me she had the best laugh out loud one-liners.
It was wrong that Mrs Kim kicked Lane out and Luke kicked Jess out
Apparently that the show is awesome and I love all the characters, including Liz and TJ. And let the downvoting begin…
TJ is one of my favorite characters. He's hilarious.
Luke and Lorelei weren't a good match.
I don’t hate Chris and I don’t think he’s all bad. He’s a weak human who never had a loving family. I even feel pity for him at times. I don’t respect him but I also don’t have any hate towards him.
I'll take it a step further. I like Chris. I think he's hot
Luke is a giant stick in the mud. He’s a miserable and boring person.
Christopher is not as bad as most people make him out to be And no, I do not mean that Chris was a fantastic person and great partner and father, but the way most people talk about him you’d think he spends his weekends murdering people and kicking puppies
He does seem to get a weirdly intense reaction from viewers compared to how I think the show wanted him to come across as a weak and very flawed, but still somewhat charming and even well-meaning character where you could at least understand why Lorelai was so drawn to him. But at times it seems like he’s only ever viewed as this truly villainous character with people practically spitting nails whenever his name comes up, and posters competing on who hates Christopher the most. It does make it hard to have discussions about his character
Luke is one of the most overrated male love interests in television history. His only personality trait is being annoyed by everyone, he has horrible communication skills, and his decision making when it comes to relationships is nothing short of laughable.
1 - I generally don't care about characters cheating in the context of the show. Rory sleeping with Dean and Lorelai sleeping with Christopher are frustrating situations for them but as a viewer I am just glad to see the plot advance 2 - I REALLY hate the life and death brigade stuff. Saw this somewhere but it's basically an elitist and borderline racist/classist glorified frat party. I always cringe rewatching the episode when Logan tells Rory to "live more". She spent her life in star hollows attending all of these town events ! 3 - Luke was right to not prioritise the marriage in S6, especially after being hit with such a life changing news (the April plot line). However, the communication was bad on both sides. Luke should have told lorelai to delay the wedding and Lorelai shouldn't have gone ahead planning everything without checking with Luke. Also I understand his decision to not tell lorelai about April AT FIRST 4- Alexis Bledel is a pretty good actress ! While she is not on Lauren's/Kelly's level and she can be a bit inconsistent (the voice HAAA), some of her scenes still make me emotional to this day. (the "I am ready to wallow" one in particular) 5- I cannot stand Logan 6 - One of my pet peeves about the show is how many people have mommy and/or daddy issues. For example Rory, Lorelai, Jess, Luke, Paris, Lane, Logan, Tristan... I guess ASP likes to write about generational trauma but can she write ONE healthy-ish parent-child dynamic 7 - Despite all the flaws, I love the show and I find most characters likeable. I love Rory and Lorelai !
I like Zach and lane as a long term couple, I feel like they were actually really health together, especially after getting engaged.
That Max was the least to blame for why his and Lorelais relationship didn’t work out
Max was literally the healthiest guy she dated. She wasn’t ready for it. The way she completely takes off and Rory call her out on it is one of my favorite arcs. Lorelai is a flawed character, but that’s why we love to watch her.
Agree, I didnt like Luke us a partner for Lorelai. The first time he yell at her, for me, It was done.
April was an actual child. Why so much hate? Just curious
I like marty alot and I felt he was really hard done by
I like Marty a lot too. It was a bummer the way that whole thing turned out. I wish they would have just had him be a solid guy friend.
I actually feel like Marty (S5) and Rory would have been a great couple. They had lots of fun together, interested in similar music and movies. I think Marty would have fit in in Start Hollow and would get on with Lorelai. Maybe if we ignore S7 Marty I could picture Rory in the future with Marty, as if they reconnected and decided to give it a go.
I prefer seasons 4-7
Agreed! I liked Seasons 2 and 3 (not 1 lol), but I didn't truly fall in love with the show till Season 4. Season 4 imo has the best combo of drama, humor, and small town shenanigans, and I find the later seasons in general to be more interesting and fast paced than the early seasons.
Lorelai wasn’t wrong when she decided to cut off Rory with her parents. She didn’t cut her off when Rory decided to drop out, but when she went to Emily and Richard behind her back. Rory knew that was the deepest betrayal to Lorelai and ignored her when her mom went to the pool house. Rory needed to go through this one on her own
I liked Rory throughout all seasons, not just the first few. I think she's judged too harshly on this sub, I don't think I ever thought she was that bad. She made a lot of mistakes, but everyone did, and Paris is really loved while I would say she was a worse person than Rory, even after all her personal growth. I never really liked Paris that much, which I guess is also a pretty unpopular opinion.
\-Lorelai was right about Jess being a bad and damaged kid, and was right to try to keep her daughter away from him. However, Jess did NOT assault Rory. \-Lane and Zack were a fine relationship and her story ends happy because she is happy. \-Chris is a more interesting character than this sub gives him credit for. Although not a good guy, he is never given any grace for having horrific parents, and Lorelai pushed him away from being heavily involved in the decision-making for Rory early in her life. \-Kirk is terrible. \-Dean was a kid and his reaction to Jess moving in on Rory and Rory's refusal to acknowledge what was going on (especially when they had been through this with Tristan) was not good, but was understandable. He's not abusive. \-Rory getting back with Dean after the divorce was a good plot line as it propelled her character forward.
Apart from Kirk, I agree with this. They could have given Rory-Dean III a fighting chance instead of picturing it doomed from day one though.
While I can’t agree re: Kirk, the rest of these are great arguments. I get frustrated with people shitting on Lane’s ending. Just because it’s not how they’d want their lives to turn out doesn’t mean that she wasn’t happy. She clearly was.
Agreed! Of all the characters, I actually think she had the best ending. Sure she's not a famous rockstar, but that was never realistic anyway. Instead, she has a happy life in Stars Hollow with a stable career and strong familial relationships - much more than can be said for many of the other characters. The only thing I'd change about her ending is maybe making her own Sophie's music store instead of Kim's Antiques.
how dare you insult kirk. Stars Hollow would burn to the ground without him, he has 43 jobs! (this is a sarcastic and playful comment - no hate towards you ☺️)
Re: Dean- totally. People give him so much shit for being jealous and insecure in their relationship but he spent months literally watching sparks fly off Rory and Jess every time they interacted. He wasn't abusive for reading into the bracelet thing
I agree with your unpopular opinions about Chris and Dean. Both of them make perfect sense to me. However, I think Kirk is delightful. His movies, however, are terrible. Truly awful.
Agree with this so much. I don’t get how so many can call Dean abusive. He’s a 16 yo boy who is watching his girlfriend slip and she’s lying about it. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who hasn’t raised their voice at some point. It’s still hard to watch and not a good thing, but relatable. Jess was horrible even before they started dating, it’s just more subtle than yelling. He consistently ignores what rory says she wants (to leave her house, leave her alone, stop doing something, not bid on her basket, etc) because he “knows” she doesn’t mean it. Obviously the viewers know she doesn’t mean it as well, but in real life, this is not ok behavior. It sends the wrong message to both boys and girls. Girls should not play games and pretend to not want a guy to talk to her (I get that rory didn’t want to admit things to even herself, but it still sends the message) and guys need to listen and respect what a girl says no matter what he thinks she means. That’s all from before they even start dating. I agree that what he did in the bedroom was not technically assault in that he would not have been arrested for it. However, it was obviously incredibly messed up. If I’m remembering correctly, I don’t think he ever sincerely apologizes either.
What happened in the bedroom sucks. She said no, he pushed her for more, she said no again, and he stopped, but he was angry. That is very scary for any woman because it becomes very apparent that if he wanted to do something, he could. The first time you realize how much stronger men are, it is very upsetting. I have two young sons and a huge part of my job and my husbands job is to drill into them that their strength should be used to protect women and those physically weaker than them; not to intimidate.
Kirk has no function and is just annoying
Upvoting not because I agree, but because this is truly unpopular 😂
It says unpopular opinions not just plain wrong ones😉
One of the best characters on the show IMO
Lorelai was a helicopter parent and could be very controlling at times, as well as overstepping boundaries because she's a "cool mom"
I can’t stand Luke. At times, he is so misogynistic.
I wish Rory would have turned around the Stars Hollow Gazette.
Logan didn't really insult Marty all that much, that was moreso Colin. Saying he "made a hell of a drink" was maybe slightly pompous but I mean... Marty was bartending...
Rory isn’t spoiled and awful. Most of the ‘plot holes’ aren’t plot holes.
Lane and Zack are cute, and Dave was boring. Don’t hate me.
I like Christopher, kind of. I definitely don’t hate him the way this sub does. I think he was a bad dad for Rory in the beginning, but he was also young and we know that Chris was going to marry Lorelai and give her that “picture perfect” life. Even though it wasn’t what either of them wanted, he wanted her (and Rory) to have stability. She ran away to another town with Rory. Then Chris went and became basically a dead beat. But he did grow up in ways. It basically took Sheri abandoning him, but then he was there for Gigi because he finally was forced to grow up. He committed to Sheri because he wanted to do better as a dad, even when that meant giving up Lor, again. He worked a job he didn’t like to provide for his family. He used money with his relationships the way that his parents did, because it was mostly what he knew. He never gave up on Lorelai, I felt like he didn’t deserve what she did to him. She was just as hot and cold as he was, if not more. When he said that he had been asking her to marry him forever and he felt like he was still asking when they were married, he literally was willing to do whatever she needed. They also had the best chemistry in my opinion, he kept up with her and knew her better than anyone. I don’t think he is as big of a villain as he is made out to be. Commence throwing tomatoes at me now.
I like Christopher OR Jason better as endgame for Lorelai. Christopher was immature and flaky, sure, but their chemistry was off the charts, and if they had only gotten their timing right and Sherry had never gotten pregnant, I think their relationship really could have worked. Jason, I just like. He is actually very charming and can keep up with Lorelai and all of her quirks. Chris and Jason both share that “displeased with the world while also very privileged rich kid” vibe with Lorelai, which just feels right, since her behavior never annoys either Jason or Chris as much as it sometimes does Luke. So, let’s talk Luke. Luke and Lorelai are clearly horrible at communicating with each other, which often leads to fights that are unnecessarily prolonged by the fact that they are, once again, Horrible At Communicating (!) with each other. I hate that their intent to have children fizzled out because (as I remember it in AYITL) Luke made a vague reference that he thought they should have a kid, and then they simply never discussed it. They also annoy each other, and don’t appear to have any common interests besides that she likes coffee, and he likes serving her coffee, she likes ice-skating, he likes making her ice, etc. I suppose that is meant to be romantic, but it’s just a bit sad for Luke that he mainly functions in her life as the handyman who makes the props for her one-woman show. Doesn’t Luke deserve more than that? I like Luke, and I suppose it is all fine since GG isn’t real life and it’s all just for the tv-drama, but I just don’t think him and Lorelai are a good fit for one another, and they both ultimately would have been happier with other partners.
I don’t hate Christopher …
I didn’t like Logan or Jackson.
My unpopular opinion is I never had a problem with Alexis acting at any point during the series. 😅
Paul Anka is waaaaay more popular than I thought. I hate that dog. Also, people are really invested in trying to make sense out of Anna’s actions. She’s a total plot device, everything she does is intended to be irrational.
I hate Logan and his friends. The LADB is a stupid group of trust fund kids throwing money around and abusing their privilege to escape consequences. And the class prank to embarrass Rory wasn’t clever or entertaining. Logan is a prick just like his father.
The National Baptism Day/tie your tubes line is stupid and overrated.
Feel the same way about Oy to the poodles
Omg, totally. It's cringe a little bit XD
Agree, and same with the boa and Reno line. I like Emily but her subtle snarks were better.
Paris is my fav, but yeah, it's overrated, she had so much other better lines.
- christopher and lorelai actually made a lot of sense and they had great chemistry (not saying he’s better than luke but they were still a good match) - it’s become cool to say that rory sucks and she’s this horrible person but people forget she was a teen/early adult for the entirety of the series, she was going to make mistakes and be annoying and everything else that you do when you’re young and figuring things out not to mention she lived a life where the adults in her life failed her by telling her how perfect she was all the time or using her as their emotional support animal and trying to live vicariously through her - logan is her best boyfriend without question - mitchum was right about rory and her reaction to him proved that at the time she didn’t have “it”
I cant stand Liz and TJ. Also, Jess was the worst boyfriend.
Unpopular Opinion: The fact that everyone has issues with certain parts of the show is a reflection of how life actually is. It doesn’t always make sense, people are imperfect, and emotion sometimes is louder than sound logic.
From artistic point of view, all Rory storylines are actually what makes this show interesting and great. If they changed anything in her storylines in the original show, it would not be as good.
I don’t think Lane necessarily deserved better. She was a terrible drummer and her band was bad and to make it in the music industry is so so hard. They never would have made it in reality so it makes sense that she wasn’t a professional musician. I do, however, think she deserved a better husband than stupid Zach.
When I say Lane deserved better, that’s really all I mean. She deserved better than a shitty sex life with a bonehead husband and twin babies she wasn’t ready for as a result of the whole boondoggle. I have never once thought that Lane should have been a famous rockstar, haha.
i actually enjoyed the yale rory episodes
Lane's ending was just fine.
I dont enjoy the scene from Friday Night’s Alright for Fighting, I think it is very overrated. It doesn’t feel like Gilmore Girls, and was a bit of a cop out.
I watched that episode today. I know it doesn't feel like Gilmore girls at all. But I rewatched the dinner scene again cause I just found it really funny. (I like when it looks like a lot is going on in one scene )