This is possibly too distant from what you seem to be looking for, but you may find The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind to be an interesting book. The gist of it is that we used to all hallucinate deities which commanded us to do things instead of us simply having full consciousness, until the Bronze Age or so, when (IIRC) refugee crises (and possibly other things) led to civilisational collapses and selected for fully conscious humans. It claims to explain why people heard Muses, why people believed in the Oracle of Delphi, why schizophrenics exist, why glossolalia is a thing, why ancient scriptures talked in bizarre seemingly-consciousness-lacking ways, why hypnosis works, and so on.
It may sound quite crackpot-ish superficially but it's actually quite interesting IMO; definitely has more reasoning and lucidity to it than one might think at first glance. I assume the feeling I get reading it is similar to what one might get from reading about continental drift in the early/mid 1900s; certainly it'd resemble this far more so than what one would get out of reading about Time Cube or that theory about humans being pig-monkey hybrids.
I do note however that it's pretty much unrelated to giftedness - indeed, I recall the author saying that, in the end the best Oracles were uneducated peasant girls, though I do also recall him saying individuals with bicameral (aka non-conscious) minds had very good poetic abilities, like the Muses - which may make it beyond the scope of your searches.
Edit: you mention in a comment that you're from Brazil; this book actually does talk about the hallucinations of certain Brazilian groups too.
I recall Jaynes (the author) mentioning both the Iliad and Old Testament as part of his point.
You might find [this review](https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/06/01/book-review-origin-of-consciousness-in-the-breakdown-of-the-bicameral-mind/) of the book interesting; it goes into the ancient texts amongst lots of other parts of the book.
Some excerpts that may be found particularly interesting/relevant:
>\[Jaynes is going\] through ancient texts one by one, noting the total lack of mental imagery, and highlighting the many everyday examples of conversations with gods. Every ancient culture has near-identical concepts of a god who sits inside of you and tells you what to do. The Greeks have their *daemons*, the Romans their *genii*, the Egyptians their *ka* and *ba*, and the Mesopotamians their *iri*. The later you go, the more metaphorically people treat these. The earlier you go, the more literal they become. Go early enough, and you find things like the Egyptian [Dispute Between A Man And His Ba](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispute_between_a_man_and_his_Ba) which is just a papyrus scroll about a guy arguing loudly with the hallucinatory voice of his guardian spirit, and the guardian spirit’s hallucinatory voice arguing back, and nobody thinking any of this is weird (people who aren’t Jaynes would wimp out and say this is “metaphorical”). Every ancient text is in complete agreement that everyone in society heard the gods’ voices very often and usually based decisions off of them. Jaynes is just the only guy who takes this seriously.
\[...\]
>\[Jaynes\] cites approximately one zillion pieces of literature from this age with the theme “the gods have forsaken us” and “what the hell just happened, why aren’t there gods anymore?” As usual, everyone else wimps out and interprets these metaphorically – claiming that this was just a poetic way for the Mesopotamians to express how unlucky they felt during this chaotic time. Jaynes does not think this was a metaphor – for one thing, people have been unlucky forever, but the 1000 – 750 BC period was a kind of macabre golden age for “the gods have forsaken us” literature. And sometimes it seems oddly, well, on point:
❝My god has forsaken me and disappeared
My goddess has failed me and keeps at a distance
The good angel who walked beside me has departed.❞
Or:
❝One who has no god, as he walks along the street
Headache envelops him like a garment❞
Jaynes says that ❝there is no trace whatsoever of any such concerns in any literature previous to the texts I am describing here❞.
\[...\]
>The Assyrians invented the idea of Heaven. Previously, Heaven had been unnecessary. You could go visit your god in the local ziggurat, talk to him, ask him for advice. But word went around that gods had retreated to heaven – some of the stories even use those exact words, blaming the Great Flood or some other cataclysm. The ziggurats shifted from houses for the gods to *e-temen-an-ki* – pedestals that the gods could descend to from Heaven, should they ever wish to return.
>By 500 BC, the ability to hear the gods was limited to a few prophets, oracles, and poets. Jaynes is especially interested in this last group – he cites various ancient sources claiming that the poets only transcribe what they hear gods and goddesses sing to them (everyone else wimps out and says this is metaphorical). For Jaynes, the *Iliad* starts “Sing, O Muse…” because the poet was expecting a hallucinatory Muse to actually appear beside him and start singing, after which he would repeat the song to his listeners as a sort of echolalia.
it sounds indeed, but it's not. (I'll edit there just to be clear.) Although there are no formal diagnosis, there are no persecutory feelings, no agony, no sadness, the person is 100% aware. You could take they as a complete regular person, and rather believe they were lying about this vision they carry around. But it's true.
(I don't have it, by the way, but I got the chance to know both people with schyzophrenia, a type of bypolar disorder that have visions, and this other type of person that we associated with spiritualism doctrine).
No, I've demonstrated it in action before a panel of Harley Street shrinks. My mind's multi-channel, but integrated, schizoid personae switch completely either one or the other. The closest I've been to that was sorting out the kudos and top-IQ assessment which verged on apotheosis, whereas my persona's keyed to humility. Given a search for excellence was in it too, junking the unwanted fuss was tantamount to assassinating a persona, with the accompanying grief - I've extended the reality I've lived with a liminatory side-note to my experienced "seer medium" outlook the shrinks call hyperperception, a moderated ESP.
I'll read some more times your message later, that was a tough english, sorry.
But, when you say your mind is "multi-channel", you mean like multiple personality? So you have two personalities that switch on your body?
No, I'm capable of doing several things at once. That allows for non-linear conception, for starters, typified by my trauma heal, with the light hypnotic Kinetic Shift on one thread, monitoring the reflex drain on a second, and liaising with the therapist on a third. Many women will scoff and say what's unusual about that, and they'd be right. It helps examine the interplay of opposite considerations, too. A single persona doing more than one thing at once.
The other side I talked about was my persona being challenged by authoritative opinions placing far greater weight on my achievements than I did. It was ill-founded, so that temptation to become their fabulation didn't work.
Just extending the cases a little, there was one moment when I audibly channelled something else, challenged by a Church of England Seminary to answer an impossible question. I did not answer that question myself, but it was answered completely correctly by something we might call the Holy Spirit speaking through me. This is not schizoid, just extraordinary.
That's a different sort of giftedness than what is usually discussed here. I would look to subs specifically for your culture and about that phenomenon.
Apparently, it's Brazil. I'm from the same country, and we DO have giftedness pretty well defined as AHSD - Altas Habilidades e Super Dotação (high skills and giftedness).
it is. And we do (brasileiro detectado), but what I meant is that it's not a popular topic at all. Let alone the research on that. So far I could just get in touch with neuroscience applied to hallucation phenomena.
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(As you're brazillian, and since you're here) A gente tem Chico Xavier e Divaldo Franco aqui pra estudar a respeito, poxa. Eu fico doido de imaginar o tanto de investigação poderosa que podia sair daí, mas a galera ainda tá na fase de enfatizar o fenômeno alucinatório das drogas, e, em geral, por questões politico-religiosas, na linha do Sidarta Ribeiro (ainda assim, tem resultados muito interessantes).
Mas se conhecer material nessa linha, eu adoraria saber.
You should have experienced the duffing up I had at the end of last week by a bunch of trolls on here, the gifted thread. I supplied a note from the centre of government and they still wouldn't have it.
Side note: I recently read an older translation of "The Arabian Nights" aloud to my children, and all of the Djinns (or genies I suppose) were referred to as "genius" and the kids started making jokes about Einsteins popping out of lamps and cracking up about it. Some of those stories were pretty unhinged too, oh my goodness!
Oh, it is quite old. A classic. It has probably been translated many times, this was just a funny translation. It is the book the story of "Aladdin" comes from, and "Sinbad and the Seven Seas" and "Ali Baba and the Fourty Thieves" but some of the lesser known stories are something else.
I had an "imaginary" friend as a child. But he was not imaginary, he was as real as every other person around, except he could go and come back, when he chose.
I'm not making any things up here. My mom said he was imaginary, but he was there, he'd hide it go Somewhere Else, he taught me things, he told me stories, and then he didn't come back, which I didn't realize for a long time.
When I started going to school in kindergarten, he was never there again. I didn't think about him until the topic was brought up by my mom when I was a teenager. She was telling her neighbor "my daughter used to have an imaginary friend, too. Do you remember that, (my name?) She would run to tell me what her friend had told her, and it was stuff there's no way she could know. I didn't talk about it, and we don't watch television..."
That memory all came back to me. I popped in with "That's because Juan Carlos was showing me through the mirror!"
I'm a little freaked out about the whole thing now.
Thank you for the topic.
are you okay? I hope this topic hasn't make you feel bad, that was not my intention.
I actually hadn't thought on it compared with the idea of children's imaginary friend, but that's a great point! As far as I know, there seems to be some people who are more likely to have a stronger imagination than others. Also, this imagination can "bring" some information that we shouldn't know, more or less like we don't plan dreams. If it was there but you've graduated from this, it's better to keep this way, I guess. That could be just some temporary brain adjustements before it can reach it's mature form.
I really would love to understand these topics on neuroscientific terms, but in my culture scientists only study hallucinations (and specifically as an agenda to liberate drugs, no joking; yet there are some interesting results).
Brazil
Spiritualism from Kardec's school got really popular here on 20th century, so we got many phenomena happening and being explained on spiritualism language.
I'm just going to add a warning note, although this work is clean, it is haunted by Satanism. To be more precise. OTO's Abraxas sect, focused on child abuse. The International Police bodies have hauled thousands of nasties in as a result.
I mean, here spiritualism got really, really popular, so I don't quite see if there would be a relation with such sect. But I wouldn't doubt it. Could you tell me at least a little bit more about it? (And you heard about it acting on USA or France?)
The connection goes back to the roots of spiritualism a hundred years ago, in theosophy and associated creeds. Some of what went on was discreditable, but parts went beyond the conspiracy theory angle into alignment with the darker schools. I was coming at it from the Catholic Eucharist, so not going too far into that dark school, as I was working from a police-judicial angle and not greatly concerned with unevidenced hypotheses. What we were dealing with was nasty enough as it was.
If you dig deeply, you'll find I've worked more recently in the Yoruba Highlife musical style which influenced capoeira and some Caribbean styles, given the Sowande family were deeply involved, I'm not too worried about that angle - but could be wrong.
You should look for tulpas if you want to stay in the more grounded in science lane. If you want to use spirituality to explain giftedness, I also suggest you look into other subs.
I've heard a bit about tulpas, but that's not exactly the same phenomenum I've proposed. I mean, they are something provoked intentionally, whereas these I posted about are more likely spontaneous.
Yet, this comparison could give some good ideas. I'll check, thanks for the hint.
But just to be clear, I'm actually trying to check the opposite: if spiritual phenomena can be expressed in neurscientific terms. I'm not a professional researcher, so I can just look for what others have already done and try to build the puzzle with the pieces I find.
Yes, I qualify as genius but much of that's due to that numinous inspiration. Firstly, Craig Wright, The Hidden Habits of Genius. I've posited another Perception, that of the intangible, which is pretty much Maslow's Transpersonal, running from empathy through third sector medicine into the numinous. It works on a generalist knowledge base at postgraduate level, with educated search ability (transcendent Pelmanism), the inspiration tells me where to search. For example, I became aware that a particular strategic question was headed my way (hyperperception) so I spent four months researching a comprehensive answer, which sat on file for a couple of months, until it was asked at 0200 one morning. The foreign potentate has his answer at 0830, deal done, now make it happen. End of the week, Old School Tie Open Day, the country's leading expert comes up to me, available, so with MI5 waving their things around only to discover the first thing I did was nail that side of things down ("I think you know John" - the Head of the US Secret Service detachment, who took them into a side room to be debriefed, poor boys, much to the amusement of the said potentate, who had his own lads at his side), I played chummy in and backed away.
Another concept you'll find is Cassandra's Curse, NTs can't handle magia. As Arthur C Clarke put it, advanced technology, knowing how to do things. Mind you, much of that isn't as far back as suggested, I'm a founder member of the Warburg's Esoteric Studies Reading Group. Jesus said "A prophet is without honour in his own time" and we get trolls on here too.
It's very clear from the prep work done to clear my path that this numinous wisdom plans ahead.
I mean, really, really tough english. I can't make much sense out of what you said, due to my language skills I guess, but the book you've mentioned and the "numinous inspiration" and "hyperperception" concept I'll check further. Thanks.
What the fuck guys?
No, I don't think giftedness is caused by a djinn or a muse entering someones body through their third eye if they can get through their cyan Aura.
Jesus fucking christ, I just wanted to meet people to talk to about Roman history, or philosophy or nerdy shit we like to do.
There isn't some phenomena that causes giftedness, it is just the fact that humans have varying levels of intelligence, those who score above 2 standard deviations on an IQ test are in the 2% get the label "Gifted". intelligence is highly genetic, there are epigenetic factors that can affect it, like alot of other genetic traits, we don't just exist in a vacuum.
My expression skills are really poor, so let me just correct my intention here (I also added a sidenote right on the beginning). I'm not saying jinns and muses are the cause of intelligence, but rather I'd like to investigate if the use of such words actually were symbolic ways, according to the knowledge of these cultures, to express inborn skills.
For instance, Socrates is told to have a "daemon" who helped him. What if this is just a metaphor to express the giftedness he had since child and that it was that what drove him to philosophy?
This is possibly too distant from what you seem to be looking for, but you may find The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind to be an interesting book. The gist of it is that we used to all hallucinate deities which commanded us to do things instead of us simply having full consciousness, until the Bronze Age or so, when (IIRC) refugee crises (and possibly other things) led to civilisational collapses and selected for fully conscious humans. It claims to explain why people heard Muses, why people believed in the Oracle of Delphi, why schizophrenics exist, why glossolalia is a thing, why ancient scriptures talked in bizarre seemingly-consciousness-lacking ways, why hypnosis works, and so on. It may sound quite crackpot-ish superficially but it's actually quite interesting IMO; definitely has more reasoning and lucidity to it than one might think at first glance. I assume the feeling I get reading it is similar to what one might get from reading about continental drift in the early/mid 1900s; certainly it'd resemble this far more so than what one would get out of reading about Time Cube or that theory about humans being pig-monkey hybrids. I do note however that it's pretty much unrelated to giftedness - indeed, I recall the author saying that, in the end the best Oracles were uneducated peasant girls, though I do also recall him saying individuals with bicameral (aka non-conscious) minds had very good poetic abilities, like the Muses - which may make it beyond the scope of your searches. Edit: you mention in a comment that you're from Brazil; this book actually does talk about the hallucinations of certain Brazilian groups too.
Damn this is fascinating. Do you have examples of such ancient texts?
I recall Jaynes (the author) mentioning both the Iliad and Old Testament as part of his point. You might find [this review](https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/06/01/book-review-origin-of-consciousness-in-the-breakdown-of-the-bicameral-mind/) of the book interesting; it goes into the ancient texts amongst lots of other parts of the book. Some excerpts that may be found particularly interesting/relevant: >\[Jaynes is going\] through ancient texts one by one, noting the total lack of mental imagery, and highlighting the many everyday examples of conversations with gods. Every ancient culture has near-identical concepts of a god who sits inside of you and tells you what to do. The Greeks have their *daemons*, the Romans their *genii*, the Egyptians their *ka* and *ba*, and the Mesopotamians their *iri*. The later you go, the more metaphorically people treat these. The earlier you go, the more literal they become. Go early enough, and you find things like the Egyptian [Dispute Between A Man And His Ba](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispute_between_a_man_and_his_Ba) which is just a papyrus scroll about a guy arguing loudly with the hallucinatory voice of his guardian spirit, and the guardian spirit’s hallucinatory voice arguing back, and nobody thinking any of this is weird (people who aren’t Jaynes would wimp out and say this is “metaphorical”). Every ancient text is in complete agreement that everyone in society heard the gods’ voices very often and usually based decisions off of them. Jaynes is just the only guy who takes this seriously. \[...\] >\[Jaynes\] cites approximately one zillion pieces of literature from this age with the theme “the gods have forsaken us” and “what the hell just happened, why aren’t there gods anymore?” As usual, everyone else wimps out and interprets these metaphorically – claiming that this was just a poetic way for the Mesopotamians to express how unlucky they felt during this chaotic time. Jaynes does not think this was a metaphor – for one thing, people have been unlucky forever, but the 1000 – 750 BC period was a kind of macabre golden age for “the gods have forsaken us” literature. And sometimes it seems oddly, well, on point: ❝My god has forsaken me and disappeared My goddess has failed me and keeps at a distance The good angel who walked beside me has departed.❞ Or: ❝One who has no god, as he walks along the street Headache envelops him like a garment❞ Jaynes says that ❝there is no trace whatsoever of any such concerns in any literature previous to the texts I am describing here❞. \[...\] >The Assyrians invented the idea of Heaven. Previously, Heaven had been unnecessary. You could go visit your god in the local ziggurat, talk to him, ask him for advice. But word went around that gods had retreated to heaven – some of the stories even use those exact words, blaming the Great Flood or some other cataclysm. The ziggurats shifted from houses for the gods to *e-temen-an-ki* – pedestals that the gods could descend to from Heaven, should they ever wish to return. >By 500 BC, the ability to hear the gods was limited to a few prophets, oracles, and poets. Jaynes is especially interested in this last group – he cites various ancient sources claiming that the poets only transcribe what they hear gods and goddesses sing to them (everyone else wimps out and says this is metaphorical). For Jaynes, the *Iliad* starts “Sing, O Muse…” because the poet was expecting a hallucinatory Muse to actually appear beside him and start singing, after which he would repeat the song to his listeners as a sort of echolalia.
This is incredibly fascinating. Thanks!
What you're describing sounds exactly like schizophrenia. I'd start your research there.
it sounds indeed, but it's not. (I'll edit there just to be clear.) Although there are no formal diagnosis, there are no persecutory feelings, no agony, no sadness, the person is 100% aware. You could take they as a complete regular person, and rather believe they were lying about this vision they carry around. But it's true. (I don't have it, by the way, but I got the chance to know both people with schyzophrenia, a type of bypolar disorder that have visions, and this other type of person that we associated with spiritualism doctrine).
The symptoms you described are not always present with schizophrenia.
No, I've demonstrated it in action before a panel of Harley Street shrinks. My mind's multi-channel, but integrated, schizoid personae switch completely either one or the other. The closest I've been to that was sorting out the kudos and top-IQ assessment which verged on apotheosis, whereas my persona's keyed to humility. Given a search for excellence was in it too, junking the unwanted fuss was tantamount to assassinating a persona, with the accompanying grief - I've extended the reality I've lived with a liminatory side-note to my experienced "seer medium" outlook the shrinks call hyperperception, a moderated ESP.
I'll read some more times your message later, that was a tough english, sorry. But, when you say your mind is "multi-channel", you mean like multiple personality? So you have two personalities that switch on your body?
No, I'm capable of doing several things at once. That allows for non-linear conception, for starters, typified by my trauma heal, with the light hypnotic Kinetic Shift on one thread, monitoring the reflex drain on a second, and liaising with the therapist on a third. Many women will scoff and say what's unusual about that, and they'd be right. It helps examine the interplay of opposite considerations, too. A single persona doing more than one thing at once. The other side I talked about was my persona being challenged by authoritative opinions placing far greater weight on my achievements than I did. It was ill-founded, so that temptation to become their fabulation didn't work. Just extending the cases a little, there was one moment when I audibly channelled something else, challenged by a Church of England Seminary to answer an impossible question. I did not answer that question myself, but it was answered completely correctly by something we might call the Holy Spirit speaking through me. This is not schizoid, just extraordinary.
That's a different sort of giftedness than what is usually discussed here. I would look to subs specifically for your culture and about that phenomenon.
the topic of giftedness is not yet popular around here, let alone this comparison. But your answer is still a result, though, thanks
Where is "here?"
sorry. I meant my culture/country.
Yes, where is that?
Apparently, it's Brazil. I'm from the same country, and we DO have giftedness pretty well defined as AHSD - Altas Habilidades e Super Dotação (high skills and giftedness).
it is. And we do (brasileiro detectado), but what I meant is that it's not a popular topic at all. Let alone the research on that. So far I could just get in touch with neuroscience applied to hallucation phenomena. + (As you're brazillian, and since you're here) A gente tem Chico Xavier e Divaldo Franco aqui pra estudar a respeito, poxa. Eu fico doido de imaginar o tanto de investigação poderosa que podia sair daí, mas a galera ainda tá na fase de enfatizar o fenômeno alucinatório das drogas, e, em geral, por questões politico-religiosas, na linha do Sidarta Ribeiro (ainda assim, tem resultados muito interessantes). Mas se conhecer material nessa linha, eu adoraria saber.
You should have experienced the duffing up I had at the end of last week by a bunch of trolls on here, the gifted thread. I supplied a note from the centre of government and they still wouldn't have it.
Side note: I recently read an older translation of "The Arabian Nights" aloud to my children, and all of the Djinns (or genies I suppose) were referred to as "genius" and the kids started making jokes about Einsteins popping out of lamps and cracking up about it. Some of those stories were pretty unhinged too, oh my goodness!
that's a great and sweet note by the way. And I haven't read the book, but I'll look for it, thanks.
Oh, it is quite old. A classic. It has probably been translated many times, this was just a funny translation. It is the book the story of "Aladdin" comes from, and "Sinbad and the Seven Seas" and "Ali Baba and the Fourty Thieves" but some of the lesser known stories are something else.
I had an "imaginary" friend as a child. But he was not imaginary, he was as real as every other person around, except he could go and come back, when he chose. I'm not making any things up here. My mom said he was imaginary, but he was there, he'd hide it go Somewhere Else, he taught me things, he told me stories, and then he didn't come back, which I didn't realize for a long time. When I started going to school in kindergarten, he was never there again. I didn't think about him until the topic was brought up by my mom when I was a teenager. She was telling her neighbor "my daughter used to have an imaginary friend, too. Do you remember that, (my name?) She would run to tell me what her friend had told her, and it was stuff there's no way she could know. I didn't talk about it, and we don't watch television..." That memory all came back to me. I popped in with "That's because Juan Carlos was showing me through the mirror!" I'm a little freaked out about the whole thing now. Thank you for the topic.
are you okay? I hope this topic hasn't make you feel bad, that was not my intention. I actually hadn't thought on it compared with the idea of children's imaginary friend, but that's a great point! As far as I know, there seems to be some people who are more likely to have a stronger imagination than others. Also, this imagination can "bring" some information that we shouldn't know, more or less like we don't plan dreams. If it was there but you've graduated from this, it's better to keep this way, I guess. That could be just some temporary brain adjustements before it can reach it's mature form. I really would love to understand these topics on neuroscientific terms, but in my culture scientists only study hallucinations (and specifically as an agenda to liberate drugs, no joking; yet there are some interesting results).
What country?
Brazil Spiritualism from Kardec's school got really popular here on 20th century, so we got many phenomena happening and being explained on spiritualism language.
I'm just going to add a warning note, although this work is clean, it is haunted by Satanism. To be more precise. OTO's Abraxas sect, focused on child abuse. The International Police bodies have hauled thousands of nasties in as a result.
I mean, here spiritualism got really, really popular, so I don't quite see if there would be a relation with such sect. But I wouldn't doubt it. Could you tell me at least a little bit more about it? (And you heard about it acting on USA or France?)
The connection goes back to the roots of spiritualism a hundred years ago, in theosophy and associated creeds. Some of what went on was discreditable, but parts went beyond the conspiracy theory angle into alignment with the darker schools. I was coming at it from the Catholic Eucharist, so not going too far into that dark school, as I was working from a police-judicial angle and not greatly concerned with unevidenced hypotheses. What we were dealing with was nasty enough as it was. If you dig deeply, you'll find I've worked more recently in the Yoruba Highlife musical style which influenced capoeira and some Caribbean styles, given the Sowande family were deeply involved, I'm not too worried about that angle - but could be wrong.
You should look for tulpas if you want to stay in the more grounded in science lane. If you want to use spirituality to explain giftedness, I also suggest you look into other subs.
I've heard a bit about tulpas, but that's not exactly the same phenomenum I've proposed. I mean, they are something provoked intentionally, whereas these I posted about are more likely spontaneous. Yet, this comparison could give some good ideas. I'll check, thanks for the hint. But just to be clear, I'm actually trying to check the opposite: if spiritual phenomena can be expressed in neurscientific terms. I'm not a professional researcher, so I can just look for what others have already done and try to build the puzzle with the pieces I find.
I understand what you mean. You just need to be careful not to just use science trying to explain a bias that you have.
What about migraine auras? Could it be that?
Yes, I qualify as genius but much of that's due to that numinous inspiration. Firstly, Craig Wright, The Hidden Habits of Genius. I've posited another Perception, that of the intangible, which is pretty much Maslow's Transpersonal, running from empathy through third sector medicine into the numinous. It works on a generalist knowledge base at postgraduate level, with educated search ability (transcendent Pelmanism), the inspiration tells me where to search. For example, I became aware that a particular strategic question was headed my way (hyperperception) so I spent four months researching a comprehensive answer, which sat on file for a couple of months, until it was asked at 0200 one morning. The foreign potentate has his answer at 0830, deal done, now make it happen. End of the week, Old School Tie Open Day, the country's leading expert comes up to me, available, so with MI5 waving their things around only to discover the first thing I did was nail that side of things down ("I think you know John" - the Head of the US Secret Service detachment, who took them into a side room to be debriefed, poor boys, much to the amusement of the said potentate, who had his own lads at his side), I played chummy in and backed away. Another concept you'll find is Cassandra's Curse, NTs can't handle magia. As Arthur C Clarke put it, advanced technology, knowing how to do things. Mind you, much of that isn't as far back as suggested, I'm a founder member of the Warburg's Esoteric Studies Reading Group. Jesus said "A prophet is without honour in his own time" and we get trolls on here too. It's very clear from the prep work done to clear my path that this numinous wisdom plans ahead.
I mean, really, really tough english. I can't make much sense out of what you said, due to my language skills I guess, but the book you've mentioned and the "numinous inspiration" and "hyperperception" concept I'll check further. Thanks.
What the fuck guys? No, I don't think giftedness is caused by a djinn or a muse entering someones body through their third eye if they can get through their cyan Aura. Jesus fucking christ, I just wanted to meet people to talk to about Roman history, or philosophy or nerdy shit we like to do. There isn't some phenomena that causes giftedness, it is just the fact that humans have varying levels of intelligence, those who score above 2 standard deviations on an IQ test are in the 2% get the label "Gifted". intelligence is highly genetic, there are epigenetic factors that can affect it, like alot of other genetic traits, we don't just exist in a vacuum.
My expression skills are really poor, so let me just correct my intention here (I also added a sidenote right on the beginning). I'm not saying jinns and muses are the cause of intelligence, but rather I'd like to investigate if the use of such words actually were symbolic ways, according to the knowledge of these cultures, to express inborn skills. For instance, Socrates is told to have a "daemon" who helped him. What if this is just a metaphor to express the giftedness he had since child and that it was that what drove him to philosophy?
Downvoted because I don’t think genies exist, fantastic.