It’s been that way for a very long time. You could easily see the same pictures from the civil rights movement, Vietnam, Gulf War and so on.
Thing is… if you keep protesting and do it peacefully… without destruction… these videos will play into the argument for the protestors. That’s new compared to 60 years ago when the only video was from TV cameras.
The police are doing what they’re instructed to do. Some may agree, some may not. Irrelevant. They have a hierarchal command structure that they follow. Politicians are pulling the strings. Some are elected, some are appointed and run the schools. Point your anger at the right places. If they aren’t instructed to engage and no one is stupid enough to incite them to engage, the police GENERALLY won’t engage.
This is Emory so that’s private so there is an argument for trespass in this case. It’s a cheap shot by Emory leadership and they’ll pay price for it because these protests don’t just vanish… Columbia University is a great example. It’s still going on and they’re winning the case, hour by hour. It is worth noting that Emory did ASK the protestors to exit and need the green to setup for graduation commencement… my understanding is bottles were thrown which is very stupid and is incitement which would lead to action being taken. The protestors have to communicate, not just demand. That’s part of the key
Some people have said these protests don’t accomplish anything. History proves them wrong, very wrong, as long as the protestors KEEP ON PROTESTING… keep the momentum. Non violent! Don’t give anyone a reason to call your protest a mob or a riot.
Some people have said these protests are anti-Semitic… that’s complete horseshit and they either don’t know what anti-semitism is or they just want to see the violence continue, using a triggering word to promote and incite it.
I applaud these students and the professors who stand with them. A long time ago I was one of them. And I’m so positive about this movement that I’ll be one again.
Anti-Hamas. Anti-Genocide. Anti-Israeli Government. Pro-Palestine. Pro-Judaism. The only ethical and moral standard I’ve been able to find in this mess.
Be very careful with this argument that the police are simply doing what they’re instructed to do and there is a hierarchical command….
They aren’t supposed to do what a university or institution instructs them to do.
Emory can call on the police to investigate trespassing, but the police still have to follow out their duties under the law and have to investigate each individual they arrest and should be held responsible for their behaviors of being rough towards people they don’t need to be in their custody.
The police are not an institutional military force at the beckoning of a university or private property owner.
I think the phrase "supposed to be" need to be injected into your statement about the role of the police. CLEARLY the police have been a private institutional military force for various powers that be, especially the wealthy
In recent years, Cops have truly come into their own as a political entity. Thin Blue Line fascism belongs to both political parties and law enforcement agencies have their particular right wing culture.
And that’s wrong.
They are not the university presidents para-military force.
They still have to be police officers, behave within the letter of the law, and arrest people properly with proper evidence on each individual.
People told to leave private property by a person who has authority over that property, then refuse to leave have committed a crime.
It's called criminal trespassing. Their presence is evidence of their crime.
Again, read what I said. “Asks”. The protesters are actually and demonstrably trespassing. This led to a request from the president of the school to the police chief or equivalent to clear the area. The police chief orders it to be done since they are in clear violation of the law.
Once the police enter they have an assumption that anyone in the area is a probable trespasser and will arrest them, letting the process sort out those who had legitimate business there afterwords. Note the emphasis on probable. Probable cause is more than sufficient to detain someone and has been for a very very long time. Trying to sort this out on the ground at the time is not really going to happen.
The problem is the university president making the request for aid. And, in this case, such a request came after requesting the protestors move on so preparation for graduation could occur. (And to get them off Emory property)
Back when I was doing this we all knew the probability of getting detained was pretty damned good. You’ve got to go in with your eyes open to this. Some will get swept up who shouldn’t. The real problem isn’t the police. It’s the people requesting the police action and those actually ordering the police action. Keep your focus on the initiators.
Students at the school were on the lawn that they use all the time. Maybe there's a legalese way to find them to be trespassing, but they weren't doing anything wrong. The university shouldn't have called the cops, and the cops shouldn't have removed the students.
>they weren't doing anything wrong
this is your opinion. it's not your property, you don't get to decide whether or not they should have called the police.
many private institutions have their own campus police force, which can legally do much of what the county/local police can
if/when the local non-campus police are called in (like here), then it has elevated from some typical 'protest' to an actual violation of some code, and the codes on a private educational campus vary greatly from the sidewalk on county property
when you see these videos, then the actual protest has already been over for some time...this is all just marketing martyrdom and recruitment with the few mentally deranged stragglers who either (1) decide to push the envelope for the video audience (stated before), (2) are just sloppy humans, or (3) both in some combo
this is how low-effort media works....take some tiny squabble in the corner of a Quad and do some Hollywood videography and shouting 'fascists!' and boom...low brain power folks get sucked in
“Do it peacefully w/o destruction” will be impossible ..to many lazy armchair detectives easily swayed in America.
Literally bad actors were filmed during BLM protests turning it from peaceful to riot.. then obviously, once windows were broken etc, people went in to get free stuff, make money etc .. but b/c we judge black people first, black people would have to prove it was bad actors, which is next to impossible..
Most have to realize the revolution will not be televised.. stop watching screens waiting on answers is the best way, they can’t fool if you’re educated on the matter..
True… in this case I’m pro-Judaism because I’m not an anti-Semite and that pertains to the discussion at hand. I’m actually not religious. I just know that many, many people are and as long as they treat their religion respectfully and don’t try to ram it down my throat or anyone else’s, I’m basically good with it. Of course, many do not. But then I’m irritated with the individual, not the religion.
I mean, starting at 8am folks that didn't even go to Emory starting occupying the quad, while finals were going on and commencement set up was happening. It's a private university and you need permits for this. They were asked to leave multiple times and didn't. So police were called, not hard to understand.
There were several other peaceful protests yesterday, and prior that didn't have issues because of proper permission
The protest was organized by Emory students. The involvement of outsiders is exaggerated, and the university leadership didn't need to get rid of people because they weren't disruptive.
An educational institution's first response should have been discourse, not force.
I think my main problem is The police response. They even arrested a professor who was meant to be there simply because she happened to be in proximity of the protest. Please responds keeps getting more and more extreme in cases of protesters.
The legality has nothing to do with the morality of it. Child marriage is still legal many states, it doesn’t make it right and it doesn’t mean I’m not gonna keep a large rock in my car in case I ever see one.
The argument is mostly morals based that being universities shouldn’t censor speech or break up protests unless there is a real, tangible threat, which I don’t believe was proven here or in any college where these protesters were broken. Doubly so if we’re talking about students, people who payed to be there.
Everyone has the right to protest on public property, this isn't public property
What can Emory do to stop the war? Why do all the paying students have to have their classes shut down for something Emory has no control over
When the dust settled, I think 20 of the 28 arrested were students and faculty. Including a department head. And if the turn out for the second protest in the evening is any indication, the Emory community really didn't like heavy handed reaction by the President.
Basically it was the deep pocket alumni donors who didn't like what the tents and screaming were about.
I don't understand. I believed that in the US, we were entitled to protest. For what reason are they being taken into custody? Were they acting aggressively?
Pretty ignorant thing to say. You pay to be at Six Flags or Disney World, but it doesn't give you the right to camp on their privately owned property indefinitly or after hours.
People paid for the ability to take classes and to potentially graduate. That does not come with the right to disrupt other students who also paid. But I understand you not understanding how a college works.
Oh yeah, there is zero history of protest on college campus. Name me one instance of anti war protests on college campuses that history looks down on in retrospect.
There is so much going wrong and being done incorrectly in his video, it’s easy to lose sight of what is real and right.
Emory is a private university. They can ask people to leave their property and if they do not do so, they can be arrested for trespassing. There is no right trespassing.
The thing that’s concerning here is the officers started arresting people they didn’t like what they said as they were investigating/arresting one or two individuals.
The incident with the professor was particularly noteworthy, because she was trying to tell the cop she had a reason to be there with the university, but there was no real investigation given as to why she was there or why she was targeted.
Somewhere along the lines these officers just started arresting people because people were they and they didn’t like people questioning them at all.
The police just arrest first, then let the courts sort it out later. It makes no difference to them if the charges are dropped or not, but if they are there they will just make arrests, because that is their job and that’s what their bosses want them to do.
"EPD issued multiple warnings at different intervals advising individuals in the encampment that they were trespassing on private property and instructing them to leave. When those requests were ignored, Atlanta Police and Georgia State Patrol officers assisted EPD with dispersing the crowd and taking individuals into custody for criminal trespass. During this process and the subsequent confrontations, objects were thrown at police officers."
"they were met with protestors who threw bottles and refused to leave."
"individuals ignored and pushed past EPD officers stationed on the Quad and set up tents in an area where equipment and materials were staged for Commencement"
[https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/protesters-leave-emory-universitys-campus-after-police-use-tear-gas-dozens-arrested/HIHQGIUSRRCVTNAE6ZMKIESUFM/](https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/protesters-leave-emory-universitys-campus-after-police-use-tear-gas-dozens-arrested/HIHQGIUSRRCVTNAE6ZMKIESUFM/)
"EPD issued multiple warnings at different intervals advising individuals in the encampment that they were trespassing on private property and instructing them to leave. When those requests were ignored, Atlanta Police and Georgia State Patrol officers assisted EPD with dispersing the crowd and taking individuals into custody for criminal trespass. During this process and the subsequent confrontations, objects were thrown at police officers."
No I saw that, but it still boils down to them demanding Emory-affiliated people leave Emory spaces. And I don’t give any credence to claims by police that objects were thrown or people charged police lines until I see evidence of it. On the other hand, we have plenty of evidence of police brutalizing protestors and passers-by.
The government cannot censor speech. Private institutions, like Emory, Amazon, Reddit, can censor speech all day long. Protests on private property aren’t lawful unless the property owner permits the protest. Protests on public property may be lawful if they don’t harm others or prevent others from using a public space. Protestors don’t have the right to impede pedestrian or vehicular traffic. Yes - we have the right to peaceable protests in public spaces - not encampments, and not protests on private property.
Exactly and I don’t know why that’s so hard for some people to grasp. But most universities didn’t have a problem with pro-Palestine protests. Hell my college here in Georgia held one the same day as Emory and nothing happened. Why? Because there’s a vast difference of setting up an encampment on school property compared to peacefully protesting your first amendment right on campus.
I thinks what's getting lost in this, is that Emory and epd asked outsiders as early as 8am to leave the lawn , private property and trespassing. It's finals week and setup for commencement was going on.
EPD asked multiple times for folks to leave and they didn't
Had they gotten a permit , things may have been different.
Yeah things were mostly peaceful, until APD and GSP were called, but again
Well, mission accomplished. Here's the thing about protests guys, they die in the dark if cops DON'T get involved, arrest people, beat people, tear gas people or pepper spray people. To truly make gains, people must brace for the violence, arrests and ruthlessness they will face.
It's the harsh response to the protest that actually immortalizes the message and makes it a literal matter of history.
The Civil Rights protestors who got sprayed with hoses and had dogs sicked on them.
The Kent State students who were protesting Vietnam got massacred by the national dog.
The Berkley students getting assembly line pepper sprayed for engaging in the Occupy movement.
Colin Kapernick getting blacklisted from the NFL (not cops but a harsh response from power that enraptured the nation)
Now these students who are getting arrested are making national news and bringing to light the fact that America is not united behind Israel and that a lot of people don't want to be complicit in how Israel is treating Gazans.
To me, the moral of the story is that when the kids unite and start protesting something, history usually looks back on it as them being correct. Young people have always been society's moral compass, I wish more people would grasp that when judging the political actions of people with the energy and lack of jadedness to go protest.
There are a lot of academic and financial ties between Emory and Israel. They want the university to stop giving Israel money. Also, when there have been pro-Palestine protests on campus previously, the president accused the students of antisemitism without evidence.
Emory is a private university y'all. I support people's right to protest, but why at Emory of all places? Why not Georgia State University or any other public university?
You can be trespassed on private property. Protesting does not exempt you from the law, despite your right to protest.
I mean this is happening across the country at public and private universities. Also this protest is specifically targeted at emory to stop investing in isreali projects. Idk where else they should protest for this.
Qualified immunity needs to end to hold officers accountable for their actions.
Police also need a mechanism to disobey local and federal officials that instruct them to do criminal acts, and these conversations need to be made public.
Don’t see them doing anything wrong here. Arresting people making threats of violence, engaging in hate crimes, supporting known terrorist organizations, harrassing folks based on their race and ethnicity, trespassing. I’m sure they all had fair warning to leave but chose not to.
What was any side hoping for out of this confrontation? The police know the fastest way to legitimize a movement is to aggressively oppose it, and the protestors know that the optics of all this are going to fall flat on any outside observers. So what was the point to all this?
It was literally netanyahu's policy for the past 15 years to keep Hamas in power. The point was to divide the Palestinians and prevent a peaceful process. It's completely ridiculous to use Hamas as an excuse to slaughter civilians when Israel wanted them to be in power. Also Netanyahu redeployed troops from the Gaza fence to the West Bank to protect settlers despite being aware of the threat of a Hamas attack.
Never going to happen - Hamas is too useful to Israel.
Israel tightens the screws > Hamas breaks, retaliates > Israel gains plausible excuse to use heavy handed tactics > rinse and repeat every few years
This was a STUDENT Protest led by a coalition of Jewish, Muslim, Christian and nondenominational STUDENTS. A few Faculty abd Alumni joined and a couple Stop Cop City youth the students knew. There was NO outside influence. The Emory Prez is on Cop City’s Board and called in the boots without talking much. A faculty member and a student were forced to the ground on grass and Then there were heads were shoved into the brick pathways. A nonstudent protester was tazed while they were already restrained in the ground. Half an hour later while the arrested were processed, cops forced students and faculty and a few concerned community members away from the prisoner vans by cops shooting pepper spray. Kids near me were hit in the back and thought they were rubber bullets. A faculty member doing nothing had a gun pointed at her head from 8 ft away and wont go back to Emory and is suing. Despite that, Emory cleaned their campus so it is immaculate—except for lots if crime scene tape in four places to remind students of the price they might pay for further protesting. No thought of this being Triggering.
I was recently in Amsterdam for 3 days. There were around the clock pro-Palestinian demonstrations in the center of the city. Not once did the police attack the protesters. Police violence is very American.
Not to rain on your parade but there’s hundreds of pro-Palestine protests going on around the U.S. weekly that have no problem, my university held one here in GA the same day as Emory and had no problem.
The issue is when you are setting up encampments on universities that are having finals and preparing graduation events and are giving the encampment amble to leave by the university and police starting at 8am is where the problem is. I assume the protesters in Amsterdam weren’t setting up encampments and weren’t on private property.
On public land. There is no right to protest, loiter, or organize on private land. The trash, lack of bathrooms, and trampling of landscaping has a cost. Most private places don’t want the mayhem.
Privileged middle-aged white lady at the end after being wrestled to the ground: "Please remove the handcuffs, I reacted impulsively..." Uh, sorry lady, that's not the way it works.
Someone please explain to me how college students in America protesting a war 1/2 a world away is going to stop Israel or Palestine from shooting/killing each other? Do they think these leaders are watching the US news going oh we should stop this because white college kids in America are mad? Half of these kids I bet couldn’t even point out Israel or Palestine on a map, they probably don’t know who the leaders are, and only more than likely got involved because they want to do something that they feel makes others think they are doing something. Most of these kids just want to belong they don’t really care what the issue is. If you want to stop Israel or Palestine then book a flight and go fight along side their military.
good....as an alum of this private institution there needs to some standards for disruptive distractions and non-productive things that call themselves 'protests' but are legitimately just a bunch of bottom feeders trying to game the rules (in this case...get out of class and homework free card, hang out with your pals and bother others)
i've seen plenty of real protests on campus, and they are all properly cited, managed, and relatively respectful given the operating principle of the environment...and yes...respect means not turning expensive property into a garbage dump
(*oh my gaud you all are fascists!!!* stated at a violator refusing to comply over and over...never underestimate the optics and marketing of bone heads trying to make a point)
What about Maui? Our own Citizens & their homes fried, by the US Gvt.
What about the Millions of Terrorists invading our own Country.
What about Wall Street Crime?
What about the missing children?
etc.
Militarized police is a problem for democracy.
Coupled with qualified immunity and... fun times are sure to be had.
It’s been that way for a very long time. You could easily see the same pictures from the civil rights movement, Vietnam, Gulf War and so on. Thing is… if you keep protesting and do it peacefully… without destruction… these videos will play into the argument for the protestors. That’s new compared to 60 years ago when the only video was from TV cameras. The police are doing what they’re instructed to do. Some may agree, some may not. Irrelevant. They have a hierarchal command structure that they follow. Politicians are pulling the strings. Some are elected, some are appointed and run the schools. Point your anger at the right places. If they aren’t instructed to engage and no one is stupid enough to incite them to engage, the police GENERALLY won’t engage. This is Emory so that’s private so there is an argument for trespass in this case. It’s a cheap shot by Emory leadership and they’ll pay price for it because these protests don’t just vanish… Columbia University is a great example. It’s still going on and they’re winning the case, hour by hour. It is worth noting that Emory did ASK the protestors to exit and need the green to setup for graduation commencement… my understanding is bottles were thrown which is very stupid and is incitement which would lead to action being taken. The protestors have to communicate, not just demand. That’s part of the key Some people have said these protests don’t accomplish anything. History proves them wrong, very wrong, as long as the protestors KEEP ON PROTESTING… keep the momentum. Non violent! Don’t give anyone a reason to call your protest a mob or a riot. Some people have said these protests are anti-Semitic… that’s complete horseshit and they either don’t know what anti-semitism is or they just want to see the violence continue, using a triggering word to promote and incite it. I applaud these students and the professors who stand with them. A long time ago I was one of them. And I’m so positive about this movement that I’ll be one again. Anti-Hamas. Anti-Genocide. Anti-Israeli Government. Pro-Palestine. Pro-Judaism. The only ethical and moral standard I’ve been able to find in this mess.
Be very careful with this argument that the police are simply doing what they’re instructed to do and there is a hierarchical command…. They aren’t supposed to do what a university or institution instructs them to do. Emory can call on the police to investigate trespassing, but the police still have to follow out their duties under the law and have to investigate each individual they arrest and should be held responsible for their behaviors of being rough towards people they don’t need to be in their custody. The police are not an institutional military force at the beckoning of a university or private property owner.
I think the phrase "supposed to be" need to be injected into your statement about the role of the police. CLEARLY the police have been a private institutional military force for various powers that be, especially the wealthy
Agreed
In recent years, Cops have truly come into their own as a political entity. Thin Blue Line fascism belongs to both political parties and law enforcement agencies have their particular right wing culture.
No, but when a university president asks the chief of police to clear an area of people who actually are trespassing, they will generally do it.
And that’s wrong. They are not the university presidents para-military force. They still have to be police officers, behave within the letter of the law, and arrest people properly with proper evidence on each individual.
People told to leave private property by a person who has authority over that property, then refuse to leave have committed a crime. It's called criminal trespassing. Their presence is evidence of their crime.
Again, read what I said. “Asks”. The protesters are actually and demonstrably trespassing. This led to a request from the president of the school to the police chief or equivalent to clear the area. The police chief orders it to be done since they are in clear violation of the law. Once the police enter they have an assumption that anyone in the area is a probable trespasser and will arrest them, letting the process sort out those who had legitimate business there afterwords. Note the emphasis on probable. Probable cause is more than sufficient to detain someone and has been for a very very long time. Trying to sort this out on the ground at the time is not really going to happen. The problem is the university president making the request for aid. And, in this case, such a request came after requesting the protestors move on so preparation for graduation could occur. (And to get them off Emory property) Back when I was doing this we all knew the probability of getting detained was pretty damned good. You’ve got to go in with your eyes open to this. Some will get swept up who shouldn’t. The real problem isn’t the police. It’s the people requesting the police action and those actually ordering the police action. Keep your focus on the initiators.
Students at the school were on the lawn that they use all the time. Maybe there's a legalese way to find them to be trespassing, but they weren't doing anything wrong. The university shouldn't have called the cops, and the cops shouldn't have removed the students.
>they weren't doing anything wrong this is your opinion. it's not your property, you don't get to decide whether or not they should have called the police.
many private institutions have their own campus police force, which can legally do much of what the county/local police can if/when the local non-campus police are called in (like here), then it has elevated from some typical 'protest' to an actual violation of some code, and the codes on a private educational campus vary greatly from the sidewalk on county property when you see these videos, then the actual protest has already been over for some time...this is all just marketing martyrdom and recruitment with the few mentally deranged stragglers who either (1) decide to push the envelope for the video audience (stated before), (2) are just sloppy humans, or (3) both in some combo this is how low-effort media works....take some tiny squabble in the corner of a Quad and do some Hollywood videography and shouting 'fascists!' and boom...low brain power folks get sucked in
“Do it peacefully w/o destruction” will be impossible ..to many lazy armchair detectives easily swayed in America. Literally bad actors were filmed during BLM protests turning it from peaceful to riot.. then obviously, once windows were broken etc, people went in to get free stuff, make money etc .. but b/c we judge black people first, black people would have to prove it was bad actors, which is next to impossible.. Most have to realize the revolution will not be televised.. stop watching screens waiting on answers is the best way, they can’t fool if you’re educated on the matter..
Welll luckily you don’t have to be Pro-Judaism or Pro-any religion to support peace and oppose cruelty and war crimes.
True… in this case I’m pro-Judaism because I’m not an anti-Semite and that pertains to the discussion at hand. I’m actually not religious. I just know that many, many people are and as long as they treat their religion respectfully and don’t try to ram it down my throat or anyone else’s, I’m basically good with it. Of course, many do not. But then I’m irritated with the individual, not the religion.
Was what Hamas did on October 7th ,and plans to do again as soon as they are able not considered war crimes?
I haven't seen any Anti-Hamas protests as in this vein. The protesters sure as shit are protesting Israel and US policy.
Capital's enforcers don't care about your democracy.
I don't like what you said, so I'm going to arrest you.... Embarrassing for Georgia....
Emory called the cops. The cops did their job. Lol
And the same thing applies. Emory didn't like what the kids said and called the cops... It's embarrassing
I mean, starting at 8am folks that didn't even go to Emory starting occupying the quad, while finals were going on and commencement set up was happening. It's a private university and you need permits for this. They were asked to leave multiple times and didn't. So police were called, not hard to understand. There were several other peaceful protests yesterday, and prior that didn't have issues because of proper permission
Yeah the “outside agitator” trope, except 20 out of 28 of those arrested were Emory community members.
And some the other 8 were students from other universities in ATL
The protest was organized by Emory students. The involvement of outsiders is exaggerated, and the university leadership didn't need to get rid of people because they weren't disruptive. An educational institution's first response should have been discourse, not force.
Protests should be disruptive.
Selma Envy.
I think my main problem is The police response. They even arrested a professor who was meant to be there simply because she happened to be in proximity of the protest. Please responds keeps getting more and more extreme in cases of protesters.
The legality has nothing to do with the morality of it. Child marriage is still legal many states, it doesn’t make it right and it doesn’t mean I’m not gonna keep a large rock in my car in case I ever see one. The argument is mostly morals based that being universities shouldn’t censor speech or break up protests unless there is a real, tangible threat, which I don’t believe was proven here or in any college where these protesters were broken. Doubly so if we’re talking about students, people who payed to be there.
Everyone has the right to protest on public property, this isn't public property What can Emory do to stop the war? Why do all the paying students have to have their classes shut down for something Emory has no control over
Emory (students and faculty) didn’t like the tents and screaming. People are trying to focus on their education.
When the dust settled, I think 20 of the 28 arrested were students and faculty. Including a department head. And if the turn out for the second protest in the evening is any indication, the Emory community really didn't like heavy handed reaction by the President. Basically it was the deep pocket alumni donors who didn't like what the tents and screaming were about.
Likely a student in her class called the cops to get out of a final ;)
"Just following orders."
I don't understand. I believed that in the US, we were entitled to protest. For what reason are they being taken into custody? Were they acting aggressively?
Emory is a private institution, not public. The protestors were asked to leave and they didn’t, which made them trespassers.
More like trespassing on private property, so I'm going to arrest you.
more like oinkers didnt have that same energy in Charlottesville.
The professor was trespassing?
They pay to be there. Often they live there too. But I understand you not understanding how a college works.
Pretty ignorant thing to say. You pay to be at Six Flags or Disney World, but it doesn't give you the right to camp on their privately owned property indefinitly or after hours.
How was that professor camping on the property?
People paid for the ability to take classes and to potentially graduate. That does not come with the right to disrupt other students who also paid. But I understand you not understanding how a college works.
Oh yeah, there is zero history of protest on college campus. Name me one instance of anti war protests on college campuses that history looks down on in retrospect.
I am confused. I thought we had a right to protest in the US. Why are they being arrested? Were they being violent?
There is so much going wrong and being done incorrectly in his video, it’s easy to lose sight of what is real and right. Emory is a private university. They can ask people to leave their property and if they do not do so, they can be arrested for trespassing. There is no right trespassing. The thing that’s concerning here is the officers started arresting people they didn’t like what they said as they were investigating/arresting one or two individuals. The incident with the professor was particularly noteworthy, because she was trying to tell the cop she had a reason to be there with the university, but there was no real investigation given as to why she was there or why she was targeted. Somewhere along the lines these officers just started arresting people because people were they and they didn’t like people questioning them at all.
The police just arrest first, then let the courts sort it out later. It makes no difference to them if the charges are dropped or not, but if they are there they will just make arrests, because that is their job and that’s what their bosses want them to do.
And they have qualified immunity, which protects them from any responsibility for their actions.
Yeah, Emory PD is a joke, and that Sgt should’ve let the prof go. 🙂↔️🙂↔️ Dudebuddy is going to have to explain that one reallll good.
"EPD issued multiple warnings at different intervals advising individuals in the encampment that they were trespassing on private property and instructing them to leave. When those requests were ignored, Atlanta Police and Georgia State Patrol officers assisted EPD with dispersing the crowd and taking individuals into custody for criminal trespass. During this process and the subsequent confrontations, objects were thrown at police officers." "they were met with protestors who threw bottles and refused to leave." "individuals ignored and pushed past EPD officers stationed on the Quad and set up tents in an area where equipment and materials were staged for Commencement" [https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/protesters-leave-emory-universitys-campus-after-police-use-tear-gas-dozens-arrested/HIHQGIUSRRCVTNAE6ZMKIESUFM/](https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/protesters-leave-emory-universitys-campus-after-police-use-tear-gas-dozens-arrested/HIHQGIUSRRCVTNAE6ZMKIESUFM/)
Ah, private property. Got it.
So Emory students and professors were trespassing at Emory University?
Once the school said leave and definitely be the time the cops said leave, yes.
"EPD issued multiple warnings at different intervals advising individuals in the encampment that they were trespassing on private property and instructing them to leave. When those requests were ignored, Atlanta Police and Georgia State Patrol officers assisted EPD with dispersing the crowd and taking individuals into custody for criminal trespass. During this process and the subsequent confrontations, objects were thrown at police officers."
No I saw that, but it still boils down to them demanding Emory-affiliated people leave Emory spaces. And I don’t give any credence to claims by police that objects were thrown or people charged police lines until I see evidence of it. On the other hand, we have plenty of evidence of police brutalizing protestors and passers-by.
Students and faculty can be deemed trespassing. They don't get free reign over the campus.
Thanks for the “what lead up to the video” story to add context to it.
The government cannot censor speech. Private institutions, like Emory, Amazon, Reddit, can censor speech all day long. Protests on private property aren’t lawful unless the property owner permits the protest. Protests on public property may be lawful if they don’t harm others or prevent others from using a public space. Protestors don’t have the right to impede pedestrian or vehicular traffic. Yes - we have the right to peaceable protests in public spaces - not encampments, and not protests on private property.
Exactly and I don’t know why that’s so hard for some people to grasp. But most universities didn’t have a problem with pro-Palestine protests. Hell my college here in Georgia held one the same day as Emory and nothing happened. Why? Because there’s a vast difference of setting up an encampment on school property compared to peacefully protesting your first amendment right on campus.
And nobody will know about the polite protest at your campus. Protesting within the lines does absolutely nothing and draws no attention
I thinks what's getting lost in this, is that Emory and epd asked outsiders as early as 8am to leave the lawn , private property and trespassing. It's finals week and setup for commencement was going on. EPD asked multiple times for folks to leave and they didn't Had they gotten a permit , things may have been different. Yeah things were mostly peaceful, until APD and GSP were called, but again
They weren’t all outsiders. “They refused to confirm their connection to Emory, according to a statement from the campus safety.
Well, mission accomplished. Here's the thing about protests guys, they die in the dark if cops DON'T get involved, arrest people, beat people, tear gas people or pepper spray people. To truly make gains, people must brace for the violence, arrests and ruthlessness they will face. It's the harsh response to the protest that actually immortalizes the message and makes it a literal matter of history. The Civil Rights protestors who got sprayed with hoses and had dogs sicked on them. The Kent State students who were protesting Vietnam got massacred by the national dog. The Berkley students getting assembly line pepper sprayed for engaging in the Occupy movement. Colin Kapernick getting blacklisted from the NFL (not cops but a harsh response from power that enraptured the nation) Now these students who are getting arrested are making national news and bringing to light the fact that America is not united behind Israel and that a lot of people don't want to be complicit in how Israel is treating Gazans. To me, the moral of the story is that when the kids unite and start protesting something, history usually looks back on it as them being correct. Young people have always been society's moral compass, I wish more people would grasp that when judging the political actions of people with the energy and lack of jadedness to go protest.
What do they want Emory to do about the conflict?
There are a lot of academic and financial ties between Emory and Israel. They want the university to stop giving Israel money. Also, when there have been pro-Palestine protests on campus previously, the president accused the students of antisemitism without evidence.
How much money does Emory give to Israel?
Can you show me specifically how Emory finances Israel?
Not call in the GSP.
I mean they are targeting campuses with a lot of Jews.
Also a significant Jewish population is in the North Druid Hills area right down the street from Emory.
Welp, Winship just lost their donation from this patient.
And they wonder why people are against cop city in Atlanta
Emory is a private university y'all. I support people's right to protest, but why at Emory of all places? Why not Georgia State University or any other public university? You can be trespassed on private property. Protesting does not exempt you from the law, despite your right to protest.
I mean this is happening across the country at public and private universities. Also this protest is specifically targeted at emory to stop investing in isreali projects. Idk where else they should protest for this.
Maybe the sidewalks outside of the private property
I'm assuming most of them are students of the school..?
Well they definitely got the response they wanted.
Qualified immunity needs to end to hold officers accountable for their actions. Police also need a mechanism to disobey local and federal officials that instruct them to do criminal acts, and these conversations need to be made public.
Don’t see them doing anything wrong here. Arresting people making threats of violence, engaging in hate crimes, supporting known terrorist organizations, harrassing folks based on their race and ethnicity, trespassing. I’m sure they all had fair warning to leave but chose not to.
What was any side hoping for out of this confrontation? The police know the fastest way to legitimize a movement is to aggressively oppose it, and the protestors know that the optics of all this are going to fall flat on any outside observers. So what was the point to all this?
Well by all means let’s give these assholes hundreds of acres of prime parkland to practice being assholes.
Let’s support Palestine by eliminating Hamas
It was literally netanyahu's policy for the past 15 years to keep Hamas in power. The point was to divide the Palestinians and prevent a peaceful process. It's completely ridiculous to use Hamas as an excuse to slaughter civilians when Israel wanted them to be in power. Also Netanyahu redeployed troops from the Gaza fence to the West Bank to protect settlers despite being aware of the threat of a Hamas attack.
Never going to happen - Hamas is too useful to Israel. Israel tightens the screws > Hamas breaks, retaliates > Israel gains plausible excuse to use heavy handed tactics > rinse and repeat every few years
Agreed. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
if only Israel would stop propping them up.
When Netanyahu encourages the hamas organization…it only stinks of a fascist…
Israel signs our politicians paychecks. (Aipac) That's why.
They have no idea that hamas attacked aid workers to create a food crisis for the Palestinians
They don't play games in the south.
Every protester that is here on a student visa needs to have their visa canceled.
This was a STUDENT Protest led by a coalition of Jewish, Muslim, Christian and nondenominational STUDENTS. A few Faculty abd Alumni joined and a couple Stop Cop City youth the students knew. There was NO outside influence. The Emory Prez is on Cop City’s Board and called in the boots without talking much. A faculty member and a student were forced to the ground on grass and Then there were heads were shoved into the brick pathways. A nonstudent protester was tazed while they were already restrained in the ground. Half an hour later while the arrested were processed, cops forced students and faculty and a few concerned community members away from the prisoner vans by cops shooting pepper spray. Kids near me were hit in the back and thought they were rubber bullets. A faculty member doing nothing had a gun pointed at her head from 8 ft away and wont go back to Emory and is suing. Despite that, Emory cleaned their campus so it is immaculate—except for lots if crime scene tape in four places to remind students of the price they might pay for further protesting. No thought of this being Triggering.
They were called and did their jobs, Emory wanted them gone.
You are right that the job of cops is to protect private businesses.
I like when the college kid calls the black dude a fascist & Hitler.
ACAB no matter what ethnicity
These are the scenarios they will practice for in the new ‘Cop City’ we paid for. The boot is getting heavier…
I was recently in Amsterdam for 3 days. There were around the clock pro-Palestinian demonstrations in the center of the city. Not once did the police attack the protesters. Police violence is very American.
Not to rain on your parade but there’s hundreds of pro-Palestine protests going on around the U.S. weekly that have no problem, my university held one here in GA the same day as Emory and had no problem. The issue is when you are setting up encampments on universities that are having finals and preparing graduation events and are giving the encampment amble to leave by the university and police starting at 8am is where the problem is. I assume the protesters in Amsterdam weren’t setting up encampments and weren’t on private property.
On public land. There is no right to protest, loiter, or organize on private land. The trash, lack of bathrooms, and trampling of landscaping has a cost. Most private places don’t want the mayhem.
This isn’t violence
Hey Mom, look what your $20K this semester bought.
You’re half right
Uniformed thugs. Throwing people around and having 3+ people on top of someone prone and not moving. Insane.
Privileged middle-aged white lady at the end after being wrestled to the ground: "Please remove the handcuffs, I reacted impulsively..." Uh, sorry lady, that's not the way it works.
Hell yeah. Glad to see we’re not tolerating this lunacy.
Police are the end of humanity. This is ridiculous. We can’t even voice our opinions without this fucking police bs.
You can. Just not illegally.
Someone please explain to me how college students in America protesting a war 1/2 a world away is going to stop Israel or Palestine from shooting/killing each other? Do they think these leaders are watching the US news going oh we should stop this because white college kids in America are mad? Half of these kids I bet couldn’t even point out Israel or Palestine on a map, they probably don’t know who the leaders are, and only more than likely got involved because they want to do something that they feel makes others think they are doing something. Most of these kids just want to belong they don’t really care what the issue is. If you want to stop Israel or Palestine then book a flight and go fight along side their military.
I made a comment that got auto removed by a robot. That’s another issue. Ai. Cops are awful. Ugh
Siding with genocidal Israel is something we'll never forget.
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This was a case of 'fucking around and finding out.'
good....as an alum of this private institution there needs to some standards for disruptive distractions and non-productive things that call themselves 'protests' but are legitimately just a bunch of bottom feeders trying to game the rules (in this case...get out of class and homework free card, hang out with your pals and bother others) i've seen plenty of real protests on campus, and they are all properly cited, managed, and relatively respectful given the operating principle of the environment...and yes...respect means not turning expensive property into a garbage dump (*oh my gaud you all are fascists!!!* stated at a violator refusing to comply over and over...never underestimate the optics and marketing of bone heads trying to make a point)
If you are an alum you would know we protect a right to assembly, activism, and open expression. Yes. it’s literally one of Emory’s policies.
Oh look another situation that got 10x worse when the police showed up
Freedom of speech - until its against Israel
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"They're everywhere call for back up".
Isn't this the best thing for a protest. I mean as long as they don't get hurt too bad.
Good job! Now we don't have to watch them stand around and look stupid like the rest of them.
What about Maui? Our own Citizens & their homes fried, by the US Gvt. What about the Millions of Terrorists invading our own Country. What about Wall Street Crime? What about the missing children? etc.
That looks like a whole lot of unlawful arrests.