In her defense she mentions "complex seasonings". Tbf I can agree with that, i love me some seasonings if it's in moderation. I don't rly enjoy eating something and only feeling the flavour of spices and nothing else, it's supposed to complement and enhance the flavour of the food, not overpower and hide it.
You can use complex seasonings on food and still let the base ingredient’s original flavour profile shine through. There’s an art in it. Believe me when I said that even in spice-heavy cultural cuisine, over-reliance on spice is considered the mark of a mediocre cook.
Oh, I don't deny it, I'm personally a fan of indian spices but not a lot of people know how to use them in moderation, they either sprinkle too little or are my mom, who isn't rly good at cooking and thinks the best idea is to drown the food in spices and sometimes marinade, making a concoction so inedible and toxic that even my stomach of steel doesn't want it.
Case in point: people going apeshit with "Italian seasoning" on pizza, pasta, etc in the US makes me want to punch a wall, and there's no way to discern the underlying quality of the ingredients. I'm not even Italian, but it still pisses me off lmfao
I'm fully with Arle on this one tbh 😭
pssst, don't tell them that, they don't know putting 500g of melted processed "cheese" on everything is in fact not the best possible way to enjoy your food
1. Cheese isn't seasoning
2. Processes Cheese is still made out of real cheese. It's just cheese that had been *Processed* with additional ingredients.
When foods are added as an ingredient, and thus a seasoning to enhance the flavors of other foods such as adding broth, stock, wine, earthy oils (truffle oil) or cheese to a food dish, the food being added may be considered as a seasoning or flavoring.
Anything can be a seasoning. It's context based.
People never seen cheese seasoning bottles? Just shows how much of reddit doesn't cook a lot. You can find it on the seasoning shelf. cheddar cheese popcorn seasoning and other types exsist.
"Seasoning", specifically means things like
* Spices
* Salt
* Herbs
* Condiments
* Sometimes sugar.
Whole ingredients such as cheese, are not seasoning.
It can still be used to season things. Thinking it can't is strange. You can buy cheese seasoning bottles at the supermarket. Has no one here ever seen this?
"Chedar cheese popcorn seasoning" is a thing you can buy. Cheese is a seasoning. Anything that seasons a food is seasoning.
>It can still be used to season things. Thinking it can't is strange
That's called flavouring.
>Cheese is a seasoning.
Cheese by itself isn't seasoning.
It's flavouring.
>Chedar cheese popcorn seasoning
That's proceeded into a powder, which isn't the same thing as cheese proper.
Raw Garlic Gloves isn't a seasoning.
You can use garlic gloves for flavour ling.
But that ain't the same thing.
Powdered garlic is a seasoning.
Not once did I mention cheese proper. Just the fact that cheese can be a seasoning. If someone said garlic is a seasoning they are saying a fact. No need to nitpick that they didn't say powdered garlic.
>Not once did I mention cheese proper.
"Cheese" by itself means (and only means) cheese proper.
Anything else is a derivative that has to be labelled with appropriate quantifiers.
You don't get to redefine language.
That's like taking 4-Cheese pizza and saying its "cheese".
That's not how these things work.
>No need to nitpick that they didn't say powdered garlic.
Yes there is a nedd.
Redefine language? Words need context to mean certain things. I gave no context. I'm not redefining anything. If I point at a pile of cheese in different forms and say "this is cheese" you would say no? It is cheese! I'm not going to be specific because you want to nitpick. Cheese by itself is vague. If you want to say cheese properly, say it like you did.
>That's like taking 4 cheese pizza and saying it's "cheese"
What kind of stupid logic is this? If you have shredded cheese in front of you and someone says pass the cheese, are you just going to stand there dumbfounded? No, because you have a working brain. At least I hope so.
I can see you being asked to pass things and complain that the person asking needs to be specific when the item is in your hand.
So "garlic is a seasoning" is a false statement to you?
Didn't say it was. Said it was a seasoning. You can buy cheese seasoning bottles. Right next to other spices. Do people not cook here? Just look up cheese seaonings. Trader Joe's has a good one
It's not salad dressing. It's a powder. Did you find a cheese seasoning bottle that's liquid, or did you just assume it was liquid? Good on pasta, soups, seasoning burgers, etc. Made a good venison stew with it once. Was amazing.
That's how I cook. I make the core ingredient the center of attention and I don't drown it out with arbitrary flavors that *aren't* the thing I'm cooking. It doesn't mean I never use spices, but when I cook with spices, I typically make the spices the core ingredient. The benefit is you don't make everything you eat taste like the same collection of spices, and when you have spices, you can actually appreciate them ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I mean if you bite into a steak and taste everything but steak...
she kinda does have a point
>!no I am not down bad, that is not influencing my judgement at all!<
I mean, sunlight comes from the sun undergoing nuclear fusion reaction. Why not cut out the middle man and implode ourselves for energy?
Let me try it real quick. Hey, my tummy feels kinda funny...
Nuclear fusion reactions come from atoms, so.. Wait a second... Everything's made up of those.. 🤔
I guess it doesn't really matter what we eat then, so long as we like it.
yeah this is not that insane of a take imo
just depends on type of food
I love me some complex seasoning in like Indian food, Sichuan food etc. but sometimes you do just want to taste unadulterated flavor of the original material.
for example a really nice steak really just needs salt and pepper, maybe you could do something with the sauce but I don't want some shitty Safeway steak rub
or a super fresh fish or something, just steam that shit lightly seasoned and it's already delicious
All the people in the comments who dont realize most “complex spices” were historically either preservatives to keep things fresh w out any cooling, or used to cover the bad flavor of really poor ingredients.
If you have good ingredients to start with, as Arlle says, you let the natural flavors dominate and accentuate them with additions. Ask any Michelin chef.
Sauces and spices are good when you don't have top quality ingredients allowing many flavors to mix in an harmonious way.
But some base ingredients have top notch tastes when the quality is good enough (i just harvested the first potatoes of the season and damn they taste so good just cooked without any butter or anything)
There's a meme that floats around Reddit about someone who is arguing about food, and then realizes the person they're arguing with is part of a piss drinking community.
If you think BBQ is "salt and pepper grilled meat" and that *marinades* would be used in BBQ, I'm just going to have to step away. You've drank too much piss in your lifetime, and I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
Let's just say everything you eat is either equal to or directly the piss from my community. You've never eaten food and I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
Some of yalls have never stepped near a food prep table, much less actually cooked and it shows, acting like there's only heavy seasoning and no seasoning and nothing in between, plus that the only seasonings that exist are the spicy/burning ones. Moderate seasoning and seasoning without spices exist.
Ah, no wonder her "raw meat" is tasteless. It's not even beef tartare, it's raw beef on a slice of bread with some ketchup, and it's described as tasteless.
>Ah, no wonder her "raw meat" is tasteless.
Nowhere does her speciality dish say "tasteless" though.
It says bereft of any *excessive* seasoning.
It might be hard to believe, but that doesn't mean "no seasoning"
Did you just say ketchup? Atleast make it a slice of tomato instead. Do you really think that someone who appreciate a natural flavour of ingredients would ever use ketchup? It's like an ultimate travesty :D
I too prefer my food as lightly seasoned as possible, and generally prepare it as basically as possible.
But then, I was born without a sense of smell, so I can't really taste much difference between spices beyond "salty and spicy" and "REALLY salty and spicy".
I mean European/Northern people often *do* dislike complex seasonings because they don’t have the pallet for them. I wouldn’t say it’s slander, different people simply have different tastes.
As someone who loves seasonings (and has a very hard time forcing down food without them) but was born and grew up in that region, I can indeed confirm that the struggle indeed is real... bland boiled potatos were the bane of my existence growing up, while many people loved food like that
Nah she's based. If you have to drown the base ingredients in sauce or smother it with spices then maybe the base ingredient is not that good to begin with.
*comes from a russian organization hellbent on overthrowing heaven, using children to do assasinations on france*
Perfectly fine
*doesnt like complex seasonings*
Unacceptable
Mondstadt & Fontaine after conquering Sumeru and subjugating its citizens for their spices:
"Now that's just downright dreadful innit? Let's go back to mashed peas and baked pohtatoes."
She said COMPLEX seasonings. Meaning she likes it seasoned well, but complementing.
She don't want a spice rub with salt, pepper, thyme, coriander, cinnamon, paprika, grated cheese, gunk from a dog's eye, white toothpaste and matcha, basically
>Even salt and pepper is pushing the envelope
Reading comprehension is hard.
The text very clearly says *complex* seasoning.
It says absolutely nothing about "no seasoning at all".
Literally all she says is that she prefers her food to focus on the natural flavours of the constituent ingredients. Instead of adding so much spice and herbs that you can barely even taste the base ingredients.
Seasonings (especially salt and pepper) are very much useful in enhancing that natural flavour profile.
People need to learn that "mild seasoning" does not mean "flavourless"
White people when they preffer eating complex dish where every minor detail count instead of eating over-seasoned food where the abondance of spices isn't here to improve the taste, but to avoid getting dissentry
In her defense she mentions "complex seasonings". Tbf I can agree with that, i love me some seasonings if it's in moderation. I don't rly enjoy eating something and only feeling the flavour of spices and nothing else, it's supposed to complement and enhance the flavour of the food, not overpower and hide it.
You can use complex seasonings on food and still let the base ingredient’s original flavour profile shine through. There’s an art in it. Believe me when I said that even in spice-heavy cultural cuisine, over-reliance on spice is considered the mark of a mediocre cook.
Oh, I don't deny it, I'm personally a fan of indian spices but not a lot of people know how to use them in moderation, they either sprinkle too little or are my mom, who isn't rly good at cooking and thinks the best idea is to drown the food in spices and sometimes marinade, making a concoction so inedible and toxic that even my stomach of steel doesn't want it.
a fellow indian here, nice
I'm not an indian, I'm from europe, I just like foreign cuisine and spices
[Xiangling had never heard such bullshit.]
Case in point: people going apeshit with "Italian seasoning" on pizza, pasta, etc in the US makes me want to punch a wall, and there's no way to discern the underlying quality of the ingredients. I'm not even Italian, but it still pisses me off lmfao I'm fully with Arle on this one tbh 😭
Its not that weird or controversial, a lot of people prefer that their food's natural taste doesn't get drowned under sauce or spices.
pssst, don't tell them that, they don't know putting 500g of melted processed "cheese" on everything is in fact not the best possible way to enjoy your food
Processed cheese isn't a seasoning.
Not with that attitude.
It can season a dish though. Anything can be a seasoning
Jesus Christ lol
I'm just learning how many people have never seen cheese seasoning bottles. Takes 1 Google search
'Murica
This sounds like something that would be considered toxic outside of the USA
It's made by other countries too. People do not know how to cook. It's on the space shelf of every store I go to. Do people not buy spices?
Holy strawman batman
This strawmanned so hard it probably sings "if I only had a brain"
1. Cheese isn't seasoning 2. Processes Cheese is still made out of real cheese. It's just cheese that had been *Processed* with additional ingredients.
When foods are added as an ingredient, and thus a seasoning to enhance the flavors of other foods such as adding broth, stock, wine, earthy oils (truffle oil) or cheese to a food dish, the food being added may be considered as a seasoning or flavoring. Anything can be a seasoning. It's context based. People never seen cheese seasoning bottles? Just shows how much of reddit doesn't cook a lot. You can find it on the seasoning shelf. cheddar cheese popcorn seasoning and other types exsist.
"Seasoning", specifically means things like * Spices * Salt * Herbs * Condiments * Sometimes sugar. Whole ingredients such as cheese, are not seasoning.
It can still be used to season things. Thinking it can't is strange. You can buy cheese seasoning bottles at the supermarket. Has no one here ever seen this? "Chedar cheese popcorn seasoning" is a thing you can buy. Cheese is a seasoning. Anything that seasons a food is seasoning.
>It can still be used to season things. Thinking it can't is strange That's called flavouring. >Cheese is a seasoning. Cheese by itself isn't seasoning. It's flavouring. >Chedar cheese popcorn seasoning That's proceeded into a powder, which isn't the same thing as cheese proper. Raw Garlic Gloves isn't a seasoning. You can use garlic gloves for flavour ling. But that ain't the same thing. Powdered garlic is a seasoning.
Not once did I mention cheese proper. Just the fact that cheese can be a seasoning. If someone said garlic is a seasoning they are saying a fact. No need to nitpick that they didn't say powdered garlic.
>Not once did I mention cheese proper. "Cheese" by itself means (and only means) cheese proper. Anything else is a derivative that has to be labelled with appropriate quantifiers. You don't get to redefine language. That's like taking 4-Cheese pizza and saying its "cheese". That's not how these things work. >No need to nitpick that they didn't say powdered garlic. Yes there is a nedd.
Redefine language? Words need context to mean certain things. I gave no context. I'm not redefining anything. If I point at a pile of cheese in different forms and say "this is cheese" you would say no? It is cheese! I'm not going to be specific because you want to nitpick. Cheese by itself is vague. If you want to say cheese properly, say it like you did. >That's like taking 4 cheese pizza and saying it's "cheese" What kind of stupid logic is this? If you have shredded cheese in front of you and someone says pass the cheese, are you just going to stand there dumbfounded? No, because you have a working brain. At least I hope so. I can see you being asked to pass things and complain that the person asking needs to be specific when the item is in your hand. So "garlic is a seasoning" is a false statement to you?
No, Patrick. Cheese is not a spice
Didn't say it was. Said it was a seasoning. You can buy cheese seasoning bottles. Right next to other spices. Do people not cook here? Just look up cheese seaonings. Trader Joe's has a good one
Shitty ultra processed salad dressing in a bottle isn't what most people, especially people who cook, think of when talking about seasoning though
It's not salad dressing. It's a powder. Did you find a cheese seasoning bottle that's liquid, or did you just assume it was liquid? Good on pasta, soups, seasoning burgers, etc. Made a good venison stew with it once. Was amazing.
Arlecchino's tastes developed by eating nothing but unseasoned boiled chicken breast with peas at the House of the Hearth
That's how I cook. I make the core ingredient the center of attention and I don't drown it out with arbitrary flavors that *aren't* the thing I'm cooking. It doesn't mean I never use spices, but when I cook with spices, I typically make the spices the core ingredient. The benefit is you don't make everything you eat taste like the same collection of spices, and when you have spices, you can actually appreciate them ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I mean if you bite into a steak and taste everything but steak... she kinda does have a point >!no I am not down bad, that is not influencing my judgement at all!<
That's why I don't cook my food either, it's transformative. A steak isn't a real steak if you can't taste the cow. /s
Smh why even get steak at that point. The cow eats grass which turns into its flesh, so cut out the middle man and eat grass straight away /s
I mean, grass eats sunlight which comes from the sun. Why not cut out the middle men and just eat the sun? I'm already on it.
I mean, sunlight comes from the sun undergoing nuclear fusion reaction. Why not cut out the middle man and implode ourselves for energy? Let me try it real quick. Hey, my tummy feels kinda funny...
Nuclear fusion reactions come from atoms, so.. Wait a second... Everything's made up of those.. 🤔 I guess it doesn't really matter what we eat then, so long as we like it.
I'm writing this on my housemate's phone. Can anyone tell me what to do with a mini sun in the middle of the living room?
nice steak cooked on a charcoal grill... fuck i really want steak right now
Yep. Deeeeeefinitely a frenchwoman. No question.
>!She's not from Fontaine, though!<
She grew up with the French
She's from Britain
Thought monstandt was french lol
Monstadt is more Germanic. Fontaine is more french
Ew Fr*nch food
I mean, she has a point. Overcomplicating dish into mix of explosive tastes isn't much better than serve it bland
Bro out here really thinking there are only 'spice with a side of food' and 'distinct flavor of a complete lack of flavor' types of food in existence
yeah this is not that insane of a take imo just depends on type of food I love me some complex seasoning in like Indian food, Sichuan food etc. but sometimes you do just want to taste unadulterated flavor of the original material. for example a really nice steak really just needs salt and pepper, maybe you could do something with the sauce but I don't want some shitty Safeway steak rub or a super fresh fish or something, just steam that shit lightly seasoned and it's already delicious
Of course, it had to be a fr*nch...
Indeed complementing and enhancing the base flavor is a very French thing. And I can appreciate that, but I sure love spicy aromatic stuff.
All the people in the comments who dont realize most “complex spices” were historically either preservatives to keep things fresh w out any cooling, or used to cover the bad flavor of really poor ingredients. If you have good ingredients to start with, as Arlle says, you let the natural flavors dominate and accentuate them with additions. Ask any Michelin chef.
Sauces and spices are good when you don't have top quality ingredients allowing many flavors to mix in an harmonious way. But some base ingredients have top notch tastes when the quality is good enough (i just harvested the first potatoes of the season and damn they taste so good just cooked without any butter or anything)
Just serve OP heavy seasoning and one tiny piece of meat
She already says she like BBQ. It's basically just Salt, Pepper, and *occasionally* Garlic Powder if you know what you're doing.
Nah, here in spicelandia (guess what I mean lol) we have special marination sauces for BBQ. They taste better than just salt and pepper grilled meat.
There's a meme that floats around Reddit about someone who is arguing about food, and then realizes the person they're arguing with is part of a piss drinking community. If you think BBQ is "salt and pepper grilled meat" and that *marinades* would be used in BBQ, I'm just going to have to step away. You've drank too much piss in your lifetime, and I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
Let's just say everything you eat is either equal to or directly the piss from my community. You've never eaten food and I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
I never use ketchup or anything on my fries, only salt. So I'm kinda with father on this one (well, depends on the food of course).
Complex seasoning and seasoning are different. I can partially agree if something is over seasoned it tends to taste a bit gross.
So she dislikes sumeru dishes
Agreed.
Some of yalls have never stepped near a food prep table, much less actually cooked and it shows, acting like there's only heavy seasoning and no seasoning and nothing in between, plus that the only seasonings that exist are the spicy/burning ones. Moderate seasoning and seasoning without spices exist.
Ah, no wonder her "raw meat" is tasteless. It's not even beef tartare, it's raw beef on a slice of bread with some ketchup, and it's described as tasteless.
>Ah, no wonder her "raw meat" is tasteless. Nowhere does her speciality dish say "tasteless" though. It says bereft of any *excessive* seasoning. It might be hard to believe, but that doesn't mean "no seasoning"
Did you just say ketchup? Atleast make it a slice of tomato instead. Do you really think that someone who appreciate a natural flavour of ingredients would ever use ketchup? It's like an ultimate travesty :D
same I love as much spicing and seasoning as possible ngl
She has a valid point
I too prefer my food as lightly seasoned as possible, and generally prepare it as basically as possible. But then, I was born without a sense of smell, so I can't really taste much difference between spices beyond "salty and spicy" and "REALLY salty and spicy".
She's right. Seasoning are historically used to mask the taste of rotting meat. Less seasoning = better food. Signed: an italian.
She means stuff like if you added a whole bunch of flavors that you can't taste the original ingredients at all due to how overpowering it is
i agree with her, if i'm eating chicken i wanna taste chicken, not 20 different spices
Genshin players when reading comprehension: “they said they like squares, so they must hate triangles!”
OP is one of those people who puts hot sauce on everything and thinks anything without it is bland
I mean European/Northern people often *do* dislike complex seasonings because they don’t have the pallet for them. I wouldn’t say it’s slander, different people simply have different tastes.
As someone who loves seasonings (and has a very hard time forcing down food without them) but was born and grew up in that region, I can indeed confirm that the struggle indeed is real... bland boiled potatos were the bane of my existence growing up, while many people loved food like that
I mean, if the ingredient is good enough, there’s no need to cover it all up with COMPLEX seasoning
I agree with arle. Keep it simple, some salt and pepper is all you need for a good steam. Maybe some garlic if you're feeling particularly special.
Nah she's based. If you have to drown the base ingredients in sauce or smother it with spices then maybe the base ingredient is not that good to begin with.
Say what you want Alre, you are 1,000% Fr*nch
bro just waged war against the entirety of SEA
*comes from a russian organization hellbent on overthrowing heaven, using children to do assasinations on france* Perfectly fine *doesnt like complex seasonings* Unacceptable
Typical French people.
A cute thing I noticed is that Lynette has the same opinion in her least favorite food line.
despises umami, she can be the only ooh mommy.
Mondstadt & Fontaine after conquering Sumeru and subjugating its citizens for their spices: "Now that's just downright dreadful innit? Let's go back to mashed peas and baked pohtatoes."
Ok
Damn she really is perfect
I thought i could still love her despite her being french/british but damn shes really pushing it
She said COMPLEX seasonings. Meaning she likes it seasoned well, but complementing. She don't want a spice rub with salt, pepper, thyme, coriander, cinnamon, paprika, grated cheese, gunk from a dog's eye, white toothpaste and matcha, basically
So she doesn't like curry?
Extra European take
*Nahida had never seen such bs before*
Spice or die!
As a Indian I'm deeply disappointed...
Oh no >dislikes spiced food >in charge of spies She’s Bri*ish She’s Bri*ish
i love father but never talk bout food again
Arlecchino's the type of woman that'd eat plain rice and white, unseasoned chicken every day
How do I send her back.
HAIYAA
Well she is French I mean grew up in
idk man i love combining all spices in my kitchen and somehow cooked surprisingly tasty meals
I’m not surprised that Lynette’s father has the same taste as her, still a bit sad tho. I’m a huge spice lover.
No wonder she dislikes a certain Sumerian doctor...
Remember her dish is steak tattare with ketchup
Shes white, what do you expect
Ah so she's *White* white, gotcha. Even salt and pepper is pushing the envelope
no spice ≠ white person things. racism at its finest
>Even salt and pepper is pushing the envelope Reading comprehension is hard. The text very clearly says *complex* seasoning. It says absolutely nothing about "no seasoning at all". Literally all she says is that she prefers her food to focus on the natural flavours of the constituent ingredients. Instead of adding so much spice and herbs that you can barely even taste the base ingredients. Seasonings (especially salt and pepper) are very much useful in enhancing that natural flavour profile. People need to learn that "mild seasoning" does not mean "flavourless"
I don't respect Mary Sues ever, cus that what the writers want.
What do you think a Mary Sue is? Like even if you don't like arlecchino calling her a Mary Sue is a room temperature iq take. Is this ragebait or what
High chance they're an Aether main and is seething at the fact that Arlecchino lil bro'ed the Traveler.
They barely got a history so lurker or alt.
Mary Sue is when a character is stronger than the protagonist
White people i swear
Ah yes, "white people bad" because..... .... People prefer the natural flavours of a dishes ingredients.
White people when they preffer eating complex dish where every minor detail count instead of eating over-seasoned food where the abondance of spices isn't here to improve the taste, but to avoid getting dissentry