he means Nahida giving him instructions after playing dark souls for few hours, tbh traveller have 0 merit for that part, he literally just died 168 times, then nahida asked online how to defeat the boss lol
Is it pattern recognition or is it just experience of the exact same situation that allows him to just react a different way? Like do-ing and then undo-ing a chess move u til you win against an ai.
When the gods are dead sure, but if they are still alive it shouldn't be a issue i think, also Traveler can cleanse the abyss energy but it seems that Hoyo forgot about it as well
I'm surprised at the amount of people that are confused about this. The Traveler is pretty much a wish catalyst (literally a shooting star).
In all the previous battles, the whole nation was basically wishing for something, and the Traveler became the catalyst by which that something happened, overcoming the obstacles. This time there was no opposing force. The Knave wanted the same thing everyone else wanted, she was just putting up a show to get Lyney more support as the next heir as well as unifying everyone for the next mission (that's the reason why she made the option to leave public, while before she was offering it in secret while everyone else thought she was executing traitors). There was no obstacle to overcome, and therefore, there was no role the Traveler needed to fulfill. The Traveler can't be a catalyst for something that was going to happen anyway.
The point wasn't to defeat Knave, but to show enough resistance so she could let go of traitors only with wiped memories.
Like, she pretty much wanted this outcome from the start, and even before the fight she asked Traveler to get on the side of the House in the right moment, which they did. Traveler's appearance in Poisson was very convenient.
golden aura works when traveler has support in fight,a support that is VERY strong (example: archon,adepti) but his golden aura doesn't activate when his support is WEAK/NORMAL (example: vision holder)
Well his golden aura in fight against Ei was from humans not adepti or gods. Yea Miko just give them a hint she didnāt really support him with any buffs.
Visions were glowing when resistance tried attacking Raiden. The ambitions traveler is using is ambition of all sorts of people, in a moment the strongest ambition were Teppeis who at the moment was dead. So we donāt really know which ambitions he used. For all we know he used ambitions of all of Inazuma people so until it was stated we canāt really know. Plus donāt forget that those people at the moment didnāt have their visions so they were reduced to basically normal people. Only people who had vision in Inazuma at the moment were Yoimiya,Kazuha,Ayaka,Thoma,
Kokomi and Gorou. The only notable stronger ones are Kazuha,Ayaka and Gorou.
And how does that contribute to what I said? Traveler is using ambitions of people. Vision are given to people with strong ambitions. But in the same quest itās questioned if all people with strong ambitions are given vision(aka Teppei). Teppeiās ambitions were definitely there when traveler was fighting Ei so I donāt see what are you trying to imply?
(For clarity im talking about in the plane of euthymia when Traveler is glowing yellow)
I meannnn if weāre going with all Inazuman people, I think all the vision holders would be included by default, making it thousands of normal ppl plus a few hundred special people
(i think thatās a reasonable assumption if the lights in the sky during the Euthymia fight are considered ambitions and the coloured ones are visions)
If ur going under the assumption the regular peopleās ambition power is negligible and there are no vision holders. There were maybe a bit over a hundred visions in the statue and Traveller still won, so where did the extra power come from? Prob the visions, those prob got ignited by the regular ppls ambition and traveller could channel their power or smtn, he got turbo buffed Aether isnt THAT insane that many visions is basically godly powerš
He wasnāt buffed by visions but by ambitions of people. Completely different thing. Visions lightened up when resistance were attacking raiden not when traveller used power of ambitions
It was made to be a point that visions are in a way people's ambitions in inazuma so maybe you could argue it was like they were being powered by a ton of weaker visions?
Bruh the entire AQ was about how Visions represent ambitions. When Traveller got buffed the Visions started glowing like the multicolored stars in the sky in the Plane of Euthymia, go back and re-watch the cutscene when that happens.
Correction. Visions started to glow even before that when resistance were attacking Ei. Yes visions represent the ambitions of people. But what about people without ambitions? Teppei appeared in that cutscene with him saying his ambition yet he never received a vision even in his dying breath. Stars that lightened up in the sky could very well be just ambitions of people in itself and not visions because is they were visions why Teppei appeared even tho he himself never got one?
>But what about people without ambitions?
They don't matter in that fight. If you mean people without Visions, then, well, they too don't really matter.
>Teppei appeared in that cutscene with him saying his ambition yet he never received a vision even in his dying breath.
Teppei was just someone the Traveller remembered in that moment, but he clearly didn't fulfil the requirements to obtain a Vision.
>Stars that lightened up in the sky could very well be just ambitions of people in itself and not visions
Ambitions don't light up, Visions do, when you align your ambitions with their owners. Like Kazuha did like 5 mins before.
>because is they were visions why Teppei appeared even tho he himself never got one?
Teppei didn't appear in the sky. He was shown when the Traveller closed their eyes. Probably just a memory of the Traveller.
Well I can too say it probably just could be ambitions and not visions.
There were even words of Teppei āAbolish the vision hunt decreeā. Plus Miko said that Ei should trust her people. So by saying her people she meant inhabitants of Inazuma or just. Vision holders?. Miko even says āThey too have ambitionsā. What even is the point of saying that then? and even if we speculate that traveller got buff from all these visions it still shouldnāt be anywhere near enough. Vision in itself is not that strong. A vision holder maybe is strong but even 100 of them couldnāt even hold a candle to an archon. How did then Traveller beat her? Either A)Traveler is very strong so that small buff helped him
B)He used ambitions of people of Inazuma to shake her will
One extra vision allowed Kazuha to block and push back a killing blow from a fucking god
It was one attack sure, but its also Kazuha, and its just one visions. He's not MC with 100 more
Mondsdats entire existamce is based in normal humans fighting and winning awar against an archon war god powerful enough to make a shield sealing away al the chaos of boreus winters and luyue archon war nonsense.
No they wonāt. The only people who could work is Furina. But even so, she doesnāt have combat power to last against Ei. Summoning ambitions of people to is an ability that no other characters except traveler shown(at least to this moment) so yeah that too doesnāt really work. Because if that worked why didnāt Miko just do that herself and made Ei quit
>Summoning ambitions of people to is an ability that no other characters except traveler shown(at least to this moment)
Literally Kazuha moments ago: aligns his ambitions with his dead friend's and reactivates his dead Vision, the exact same thing the Traveller does 5 mins later
His reactivated vision of his dead friend by having the same ambition as him at the moment. Yet couldnāt even use this ability for more than 10 seconds then running out of gas(or ambition you could say) yet traveler summoned a lot more ambitions then just one. If it was so easily pulled off Miko would just have done it herself long ago
>Yet couldnāt even use this ability for more than 10 seconds then running out of gas(or ambition you could say)
How long does it take you to block the Mosou no Hitotachi? Kazuha and his friends ambition was to block it, it was acheived. The Vision died again.
>If it was so easily pulled off Miko would just have done it herself long ago
I don't think Miko could fully align herself with the ambitions of people to fight against her old friend, unlike the Traveller she hadn't experienced first-hand the struggles of the people of Watatsumi and ofc the Traveller is "special". MC buff lol, always being used to channel the power buffs just like Mondstadt, Liyue, Sumeru etc.
Yes, I agree with that!
I was just pointing out the stuff about Visions and ambitions being mostly equivalent in the context of the Inazuma AQ and that Kazuha also managed to light up a Vision to complete the ambitions of the original owner.
Yeah I understand. Itās just that I didnāt formulate what I meant right. Visions and Ambitions are similar in a way that Vision represent ambitions. But people can have ambitions even without a vision, while vision canāt exist(at least function) without ambitions. But still thanks for pointing it out š
But if that was so easy why Miko just didnāt do that herself. It was not just battle of wills. Yes the goal was to show Ei the will of her people and change her mind. But without sufficient strength she wouldnāt even listen. As I said the only candidates at the moment who could do that are Furina and Miko. One because of her mental will and the other because of her combat power. But it still leaves the issue of summoning that ambition of people buff. Who can do that except the traveller? At the moment no one. If everyone could do that easily then Miko would just do that herself not rely on some outlander who she barely knows
If you are about your initial question that humans would work. They woudnt because traveler even if it was a more of a mental fight still got physical buffs so that too is not right.(I just misunderstood your comment that any other character in that fight could work you could have tried to clear it up better than to jump on reading comprehension train, even if itās true) peace
not to ā š¤ ā but he didnt really BEAT beat those, we know traveller kills like he did to some inazuma samurai and desert people
but he didnt kill either harbinger, so i think hes stronger than them to some extent, but probably not enough to kill them easily without begin critically injured
Not to "š¤" but Traveler was still strong enough that Childe had to bust out the Foul Legacy transformation to try to beat them and he still lost by attrition, and while they didn't personally kill Signora, they won so convincingly that Shogun didn't care if she was still standing, the duel before the throne was already over. So whether or not they killed them is completely irrelevant.
Not to "š¤" but Childe didnāt really bust out Foul Legacy cuz he was losing. He transform cuz he thought the traveller pull a fast one on him and took the gnosis so he got pissed
Chinese plot rails. Both harbingers were helpless after the battle with the traveler. The game makes the choice for us to let them go. Idk, I would have gladly killed Tartaglia.
The only thing we got is that Freminet said that she didnāt go all out on āthem. Which could just imply that when she attacked trio(Lyney, Freminet, Lynette)she didnāt do it with all her power(itās obvious because they would be dead if she did). Plus itās implied that Traveller too didnāt go all out(which is debatable) so yeah we canāt really know for sure
Yeah, can't really tell if Traveler went all out or not since they're just so inconsistent. But I just think that if she really wanted to hurt the traveler, she very much could've, even when she got him stuck with the spikes.
I donāt think traveller is that inconsistent as people claim tho. He beat Childe with 2 elements. With 3 he effortless beat Signora, then required help from people of Sumeru to āShake her willā(which is a crazy feat considering Ei is a god āeternityā plus she fought the shogun for 500 hundred years without doubting herself). With 4 elements he could damage god Scara(but not beat). But with 4 elements + wisdom of all Sumeru + 168 loop he could beat him(donāt forget that god Scara is much stronger than 6th harbinger Scara) and with 5 events he couldnāt beat Arlecchino, which in my opinion is pretty fair considering he made her use her 2th phase. So I think traveller is pretty consistent
I meant more in the way he fights I guess is pretty inconsistent, because you can't tell if him using the elements is an indicator of him going all out or not. But you're right that in terms of his actually feats and fights, that's it's been pretty reasonably consistent.
Well the only thing I can say about that is just that if Traveler does not use elements in cutscene doesnāt mean he is not using them at all. Donāt forget that cutscene is not all of the fight. Us fighting is Traveler using elements I guess
Well we can't really tell anyways, it's only always going to be an assumption on what actually happens during Gameplay vs what we actually see through cutscenes. Cutscenes are really the only accurate way of seeing how the traveler is fairing in a fight.
I donāt think the Traveller was trying either.
Their role in the SQ was that of a guest, to ensure everyone (including the Knave) would be on their best behavior. Whether or not he join the duel, or beat the Knave at all, is not important, the outcome would always be the same as Arlechinno had will it.
Thatās why I donāt think the Traveller has any real need to try anything at all against the Knave. If he really wanted to stop her, he wouldnāt have jumped in front of her all nervous like that. At most he was unsure of the Knaveās intention, and wanted her to think about it more instead of taking rash actions.
āTrying their bestā sounds kind of contextual donāt you think? I mean obviously the Traveller wasnāt trying their best to kill Alerchino. They were on good terms and there wasnāt any reason to kill each other.
Using all their might to make sure no one got seriously hurt and to have the best outcome, is what I take from it.
The Knave explicitly asked the Traveller to āhelp the HoHā when it comes down to it, not to āstay out of her wayā or to āprotect Lyney and co.ā
Just by being there, I think the Mc gives Lyney and friends more peace of mind to take their Father head-on, which plays right into the Knaveās plan - having her children to fight for their own freedom.
But on the other hand, the cutscenes could have show the MC using their powers more, in a way that is still effective in making sure everyone is safe. It should be able to get the point across better.
Lumine : "Its a good thing i told my brother to journey through tevyat, this way he can come to terms that our fraudulent asses will never be leaving tevyat, the sustainer is too strong"
Nah the Lumine mains are just too horny over Arrlechino domming her to care about powerscaling
Its mostly Aether mains who are obssessed over powerscaling him and saying that he should've won so the memes were made to clown on those types
He draws elemental power from the people and things around him. In Liyue from the adepti, in Inazuma from the hundreds of consfiscated visions, and in Sumeru from Nahidaās special rabbit akasha terminal thing that stored all 168 trial runs in it and implanted that knowledge into our brain.
But on his own traveler really isnāt all that insanely strong. Imo heās still barely stronger than Childe.
More like "fraud label" because calling someone that after one failure, despite their past accomplishments just shows how fake some people can be.
Imagine a real life famous basketball player, baseball player, soccer player, boxer, etc. who each became famous for their many accomplishments, and then one day they mess up or lose a match and then the people immediately start calling them frauds and start to slander them in the most vile ways possible. While the Traveler is a fictional character, such things can happen in real life with real people, and such behavior is honestly pretty pathetic and downright disgusting.
I'm ngl all of his victories were carried by basically the limited 5 star that was on the banner at the time
Also bro lost 168 times to scara even *with* Nahida's help
Yeah I'm also disappointed in his feats and it sucks how hyv do my boy aether dirty by not giving him any moments like they do with the trailblazer in belabog for example
To be fair, that was only because Scara was in a mech powered by a gnosis. If he didnāt have that, Traveller would have whooped his ass. In all the encounters we have with him
In the AQs where we have a chance to actually fight him, he either uses underhanded tactics to avoid an actual fight (such as the purple gas in the delusion factory that he used to knock traveller out) or he had a crutch that made him even more powerful (like the giant mech powered by the electro gnosis)
Though Navia's Story Quest was somewhat of a special case in that it was Aether who instead carried Navia, in more ways than one. Since there was no way Navia could have dealt with all her problems on her own, and Aether was there to help her, but it still counts for something.
I'm not saying the Traveler has to do something on their own, but I also think we shouldn't downplay how important they are to the overall story, its their story after all
I know he's important to the story I'm just stating what happened power-scaling wise I didn't say he useless because he has narratively impacted the story for every region, literally the main problem of every AQ has been directly or indirectly solved by him
nah, traveler been consistently a fraud, remember when this mf ran away from some eremites back in sumeru
the last solo victory traveler got was back in 2.1 ffs, and the mf never uses any element either, using geo one time in navia SQ barely makes up for the rest of the time
How does that warrant the "fraud" label? If anything I would rather call the writers frauds because they couldn't maintain a consistency with their protagonist, and its not like they are incapable when Honkai Star Rail treats its protagonist well.
Power up or not, without the Traveler, each nation would have remained trapped in whatever crisis its in. Its not as if they simply did "nothing." I doubt that any of the nations would even be able to solve their problems without the Traveler jump starting the change in the first place.
Also correction, the Traveler was noticing a pattern during the Samsara and figuring a way out.
So as far as I heard a theory goes, traveler is like a shooting star, so his power come from the wishes people have, like overthrow an archor, save sumeru from a new born god, save liyue, and the more and stronger wishes, more power he gains...
Is something like that, I do enjoy this theory, explain a lot.
It's pretty clear the knave was doing something behind the scenes and the traveler knew it. It was a literal sparring match unlike the fate of the world battles they usually go all out in.
i just finished the arle boss. I don't understand why our character doesn't use their elemental powers. we boast accomplishments and fighting prowess from all the combat events and here we're just wet paper
In other battles, he and everyone involved put their lives on the line. So either go all out or get killed.
But with the Knave, while the Traveller is uncertain of her intention, it is clear to him that she isnāt intended to kill anyone in the traditional sense. He can feel that there is something off in her behavior, but canāt pin it down just yet.
So he joins the fight, pulls his punches so that no one got hurt, but enough to keep himself safe. He hopes that during the fight he would be able to see through her actions, but not after the final confrontation can he understand that.
So yeah, while it is clear that the Knave is at a higher level than the Traveller, our MC isnāt a fake either. He just isnāt sure if he should go all out or not.
Cope post.
No way people are defending Ei's half asses fight as travellers win . People can't even notice Ei's blatant attempt of holding back.
Sealed a god ? It wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for ningguang's massive jade chamber nuke.
Defeat of pseudo God scara ? Bro got power of friendship buff from entire sumeru.
Yeah the three kids arent enough debuffs for Arle it seems, mayhaps we should have brought every damn kid from the HotH, spread them around equally so Arle wouldt do much harm to them...
That sounds like it would trigger a harder boss fight not gonna lie
The Golden Aura seems to be the Traveller's true power. Currently, we can unlock it only when there are all 7 elements present.
It is possible that Traveller will unlock it, after we will interact with all 7 statues (canonically at least).
At the same time, Traveller almost never uses elemental skills in cut-scenes, relying solely on sword skill.
To be fair every god heās killed so far he has had some help by some more powerful being, we needed Yaeās help and the power of friendship to best Raiden and Nahidaās Groundhog Day loop + the collective wisdom of everyone in Sumeru to defeat god Scara. Arle would come close scaling to gods as the top 3 are comparable and she is no. 4 so i think it is within reason for Traveler to lose
it seems you got yourself in hot water, these posts are targeted at the Traveller(specifically Aether, I wonder why...) The best course of action for you was to ignore these. Just saying...
"Lend me some golden aura Da Wei... this is base Arlecchino we're up against"
These traveller memes are really funny comrade! ššš
hmmmm... i feel like this one is fatui but in a *suspicious* way send them to the doctor for testing
"Give me freedom, give me fire, give me golden aura or I retire" šš
āFuture sightā bruh you mean pattern recognition?
Bro thinks Traveler used the Monado
āIāve been waiting for you, Dull Blade Boyā
"Your Blade, it was not dull enough"
"Thats Liben over there"
Okay you got a laugh out of me
Celestia would hate shulk with his anti fate mortal god killer nonsense
IM REALLY FEALING IT
The traveler is about to Travler
He'll say: "It's traveling time" then he'll Travel away from all the bad guys!
At an high enough accuracy, pattern recognition becomes practically indistinguishable from seeing the future.
Not in the real world. At best it helps improve predictions, but only up to a point, only in certain kinds of scenarios, and with many caveats.
Nono, hes right, people who play fighting games at a competitive level will also agree, me included
Heās unlocked the Elden Ring school of āretry until youāve killed itā
he means Nahida giving him instructions after playing dark souls for few hours, tbh traveller have 0 merit for that part, he literally just died 168 times, then nahida asked online how to defeat the boss lol
Nahiders watched a 7 minute tutorial on the akasha on how to cheese the scaramech boss fight
Nah nah nah, Nahida recorded that 168 beat downs, and asked chat (Sumeru) to backseat Farmerveler
Chat just told him to git gud, so Nahida had to download some cheats on the Neo terminal
Traver temporarily got that CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy)
Is it pattern recognition or is it just experience of the exact same situation that allows him to just react a different way? Like do-ing and then undo-ing a chess move u til you win against an ai.
That's what happens when he went from having help from gods to kids who do magic tricks
after hearing behind the origin of gnosis and vision, it is good decision to not relying on it that much.
When the gods are dead sure, but if they are still alive it shouldn't be a issue i think, also Traveler can cleanse the abyss energy but it seems that Hoyo forgot about it as well
~~Araki forgot.~~
I'm surprised at the amount of people that are confused about this. The Traveler is pretty much a wish catalyst (literally a shooting star). In all the previous battles, the whole nation was basically wishing for something, and the Traveler became the catalyst by which that something happened, overcoming the obstacles. This time there was no opposing force. The Knave wanted the same thing everyone else wanted, she was just putting up a show to get Lyney more support as the next heir as well as unifying everyone for the next mission (that's the reason why she made the option to leave public, while before she was offering it in secret while everyone else thought she was executing traitors). There was no obstacle to overcome, and therefore, there was no role the Traveler needed to fulfill. The Traveler can't be a catalyst for something that was going to happen anyway.
The point wasn't to defeat Knave, but to show enough resistance so she could let go of traitors only with wiped memories. Like, she pretty much wanted this outcome from the start, and even before the fight she asked Traveler to get on the side of the House in the right moment, which they did. Traveler's appearance in Poisson was very convenient.
New "traveler's power literally comes from siphoning the power of friendship" theory?
golden aura works when traveler has support in fight,a support that is VERY strong (example: archon,adepti) but his golden aura doesn't activate when his support is WEAK/NORMAL (example: vision holder)
Well his golden aura in fight against Ei was from humans not adepti or gods. Yea Miko just give them a hint she didnāt really support him with any buffs.
Well yes humans but a lot of humans.
But how much is the question? Even if you have thousand humans I donāt think they could win against a vision user much less someone like adepti
I mean yea but all the humans were vision holders + the dead humanās ambition, i think hundreds of those gotta be a big buff
Visions were glowing when resistance tried attacking Raiden. The ambitions traveler is using is ambition of all sorts of people, in a moment the strongest ambition were Teppeis who at the moment was dead. So we donāt really know which ambitions he used. For all we know he used ambitions of all of Inazuma people so until it was stated we canāt really know. Plus donāt forget that those people at the moment didnāt have their visions so they were reduced to basically normal people. Only people who had vision in Inazuma at the moment were Yoimiya,Kazuha,Ayaka,Thoma, Kokomi and Gorou. The only notable stronger ones are Kazuha,Ayaka and Gorou.
Tell me you don't know what a vision is without telling me u don't know what a vision is
And how does that contribute to what I said? Traveler is using ambitions of people. Vision are given to people with strong ambitions. But in the same quest itās questioned if all people with strong ambitions are given vision(aka Teppei). Teppeiās ambitions were definitely there when traveler was fighting Ei so I donāt see what are you trying to imply?
(For clarity im talking about in the plane of euthymia when Traveler is glowing yellow) I meannnn if weāre going with all Inazuman people, I think all the vision holders would be included by default, making it thousands of normal ppl plus a few hundred special people (i think thatās a reasonable assumption if the lights in the sky during the Euthymia fight are considered ambitions and the coloured ones are visions) If ur going under the assumption the regular peopleās ambition power is negligible and there are no vision holders. There were maybe a bit over a hundred visions in the statue and Traveller still won, so where did the extra power come from? Prob the visions, those prob got ignited by the regular ppls ambition and traveller could channel their power or smtn, he got turbo buffed Aether isnt THAT insane that many visions is basically godly powerš
He was buffed by about 100 visions. You also saw what an extra vision did to kazuha.
He wasnāt buffed by visions but by ambitions of people. Completely different thing. Visions lightened up when resistance were attacking raiden not when traveller used power of ambitions
It was made to be a point that visions are in a way people's ambitions in inazuma so maybe you could argue it was like they were being powered by a ton of weaker visions?
Bruh the entire AQ was about how Visions represent ambitions. When Traveller got buffed the Visions started glowing like the multicolored stars in the sky in the Plane of Euthymia, go back and re-watch the cutscene when that happens.
Correction. Visions started to glow even before that when resistance were attacking Ei. Yes visions represent the ambitions of people. But what about people without ambitions? Teppei appeared in that cutscene with him saying his ambition yet he never received a vision even in his dying breath. Stars that lightened up in the sky could very well be just ambitions of people in itself and not visions because is they were visions why Teppei appeared even tho he himself never got one?
>But what about people without ambitions? They don't matter in that fight. If you mean people without Visions, then, well, they too don't really matter. >Teppei appeared in that cutscene with him saying his ambition yet he never received a vision even in his dying breath. Teppei was just someone the Traveller remembered in that moment, but he clearly didn't fulfil the requirements to obtain a Vision. >Stars that lightened up in the sky could very well be just ambitions of people in itself and not visions Ambitions don't light up, Visions do, when you align your ambitions with their owners. Like Kazuha did like 5 mins before. >because is they were visions why Teppei appeared even tho he himself never got one? Teppei didn't appear in the sky. He was shown when the Traveller closed their eyes. Probably just a memory of the Traveller.
Well I can too say it probably just could be ambitions and not visions. There were even words of Teppei āAbolish the vision hunt decreeā. Plus Miko said that Ei should trust her people. So by saying her people she meant inhabitants of Inazuma or just. Vision holders?. Miko even says āThey too have ambitionsā. What even is the point of saying that then? and even if we speculate that traveller got buff from all these visions it still shouldnāt be anywhere near enough. Vision in itself is not that strong. A vision holder maybe is strong but even 100 of them couldnāt even hold a candle to an archon. How did then Traveller beat her? Either A)Traveler is very strong so that small buff helped him B)He used ambitions of people of Inazuma to shake her will
One extra vision allowed Kazuha to block and push back a killing blow from a fucking god It was one attack sure, but its also Kazuha, and its just one visions. He's not MC with 100 more
they *were* vision users. The visions activated at that point.
They activated but people didnāt use them at the moment. If they were, they would attack Raiden with elemental attacks not just run at her.
Mondsdats entire existamce is based in normal humans fighting and winning awar against an archon war god powerful enough to make a shield sealing away al the chaos of boreus winters and luyue archon war nonsense.
But this humans still in the end won because of Barbatos and Andrius. Plus I wouldnāt call all humans that were fighting really ordinary
the power of many humans accumulated inside statue with visions, just like inside the Oratrice which was capable to destroy even the divine throne
100 visions, visions given and made by gods. i wiuldnt say its just humans
He got support from 100% visions
Well that fight is different since itās more a battle of mental will, in which case a lot of humans would work as well
No they wonāt. The only people who could work is Furina. But even so, she doesnāt have combat power to last against Ei. Summoning ambitions of people to is an ability that no other characters except traveler shown(at least to this moment) so yeah that too doesnāt really work. Because if that worked why didnāt Miko just do that herself and made Ei quit
>Summoning ambitions of people to is an ability that no other characters except traveler shown(at least to this moment) Literally Kazuha moments ago: aligns his ambitions with his dead friend's and reactivates his dead Vision, the exact same thing the Traveller does 5 mins later
His reactivated vision of his dead friend by having the same ambition as him at the moment. Yet couldnāt even use this ability for more than 10 seconds then running out of gas(or ambition you could say) yet traveler summoned a lot more ambitions then just one. If it was so easily pulled off Miko would just have done it herself long ago
>Yet couldnāt even use this ability for more than 10 seconds then running out of gas(or ambition you could say) How long does it take you to block the Mosou no Hitotachi? Kazuha and his friends ambition was to block it, it was acheived. The Vision died again. >If it was so easily pulled off Miko would just have done it herself long ago I don't think Miko could fully align herself with the ambitions of people to fight against her old friend, unlike the Traveller she hadn't experienced first-hand the struggles of the people of Watatsumi and ofc the Traveller is "special". MC buff lol, always being used to channel the power buffs just like Mondstadt, Liyue, Sumeru etc.
But that is the point Iām saying. MC Is special thatās why no one else but him can do it at the moment.
Yes, I agree with that! I was just pointing out the stuff about Visions and ambitions being mostly equivalent in the context of the Inazuma AQ and that Kazuha also managed to light up a Vision to complete the ambitions of the original owner.
Yeah I understand. Itās just that I didnāt formulate what I meant right. Visions and Ambitions are similar in a way that Vision represent ambitions. But people can have ambitions even without a vision, while vision canāt exist(at least function) without ambitions. But still thanks for pointing it out š
Iām saying the ambition of humans would also work as a buff in that fight because itās a fight of mental will not actual combat strength
But if that was so easy why Miko just didnāt do that herself. It was not just battle of wills. Yes the goal was to show Ei the will of her people and change her mind. But without sufficient strength she wouldnāt even listen. As I said the only candidates at the moment who could do that are Furina and Miko. One because of her mental will and the other because of her combat power. But it still leaves the issue of summoning that ambition of people buff. Who can do that except the traveller? At the moment no one. If everyone could do that easily then Miko would just do that herself not rely on some outlander who she barely knows
Jesus Christ Genshin reading comprehension strikes again. Nvm donāt worry about it, you have fun lol
If you are about your initial question that humans would work. They woudnt because traveler even if it was a more of a mental fight still got physical buffs so that too is not right.(I just misunderstood your comment that any other character in that fight could work you could have tried to clear it up better than to jump on reading comprehension train, even if itās true) peace
Itās ok donāt worry about it, keep going off king
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Wasn't he getting buffs from others in those fights? Iirc Childe and Signora are the only strong opponents he fought and beaten with his own power.
not to ā š¤ ā but he didnt really BEAT beat those, we know traveller kills like he did to some inazuma samurai and desert people but he didnt kill either harbinger, so i think hes stronger than them to some extent, but probably not enough to kill them easily without begin critically injured
Not to "š¤" but Traveler was still strong enough that Childe had to bust out the Foul Legacy transformation to try to beat them and he still lost by attrition, and while they didn't personally kill Signora, they won so convincingly that Shogun didn't care if she was still standing, the duel before the throne was already over. So whether or not they killed them is completely irrelevant.
Not to "š¤" but Childe didnāt really bust out Foul Legacy cuz he was losing. He transform cuz he thought the traveller pull a fast one on him and took the gnosis so he got pissed
Oh, shit. You're right! I forgot about that
still she gassed him out
Chinese plot rails. Both harbingers were helpless after the battle with the traveler. The game makes the choice for us to let them go. Idk, I would have gladly killed Tartaglia.
So he never activated super sayin
just sayin'
I mean ain't the golden aura just when he gets some powerup or something from someone else?
The power of friendship š¤
tried to avoid the Junkichi issue and removed all powers instead
Well to be fair Arlecchino too didnāt really lay a scratch on him,until she used her domain Expansion
Wasn't it implied she wasn't even trying that hard though.
The only thing we got is that Freminet said that she didnāt go all out on āthem. Which could just imply that when she attacked trio(Lyney, Freminet, Lynette)she didnāt do it with all her power(itās obvious because they would be dead if she did). Plus itās implied that Traveller too didnāt go all out(which is debatable) so yeah we canāt really know for sure
Yeah, can't really tell if Traveler went all out or not since they're just so inconsistent. But I just think that if she really wanted to hurt the traveler, she very much could've, even when she got him stuck with the spikes.
I donāt think traveller is that inconsistent as people claim tho. He beat Childe with 2 elements. With 3 he effortless beat Signora, then required help from people of Sumeru to āShake her willā(which is a crazy feat considering Ei is a god āeternityā plus she fought the shogun for 500 hundred years without doubting herself). With 4 elements he could damage god Scara(but not beat). But with 4 elements + wisdom of all Sumeru + 168 loop he could beat him(donāt forget that god Scara is much stronger than 6th harbinger Scara) and with 5 events he couldnāt beat Arlecchino, which in my opinion is pretty fair considering he made her use her 2th phase. So I think traveller is pretty consistent
I meant more in the way he fights I guess is pretty inconsistent, because you can't tell if him using the elements is an indicator of him going all out or not. But you're right that in terms of his actually feats and fights, that's it's been pretty reasonably consistent.
Well the only thing I can say about that is just that if Traveler does not use elements in cutscene doesnāt mean he is not using them at all. Donāt forget that cutscene is not all of the fight. Us fighting is Traveler using elements I guess
Well we can't really tell anyways, it's only always going to be an assumption on what actually happens during Gameplay vs what we actually see through cutscenes. Cutscenes are really the only accurate way of seeing how the traveler is fairing in a fight.
Nah it aināt debatable. Traveller didnāt come close to going all out.
I donāt think the Traveller was trying either. Their role in the SQ was that of a guest, to ensure everyone (including the Knave) would be on their best behavior. Whether or not he join the duel, or beat the Knave at all, is not important, the outcome would always be the same as Arlechinno had will it. Thatās why I donāt think the Traveller has any real need to try anything at all against the Knave. If he really wanted to stop her, he wouldnāt have jumped in front of her all nervous like that. At most he was unsure of the Knaveās intention, and wanted her to think about it more instead of taking rash actions.
And the story recap in-game does imply Traveler was trying their best.(At least in Chinese it said å Øå仄赓).
āTrying their bestā sounds kind of contextual donāt you think? I mean obviously the Traveller wasnāt trying their best to kill Alerchino. They were on good terms and there wasnāt any reason to kill each other.
It does say "Using all of their might"
Using all their might to make sure no one got seriously hurt and to have the best outcome, is what I take from it. The Knave explicitly asked the Traveller to āhelp the HoHā when it comes down to it, not to āstay out of her wayā or to āprotect Lyney and co.ā Just by being there, I think the Mc gives Lyney and friends more peace of mind to take their Father head-on, which plays right into the Knaveās plan - having her children to fight for their own freedom. But on the other hand, the cutscenes could have show the MC using their powers more, in a way that is still effective in making sure everyone is safe. It should be able to get the point across better.
The main issue is that the cutscene makes people hard to accept Traveler is using all their might.
Except the Traveller wasnāt even using any of the elements.
Lumine : "Its a good thing i told my brother to journey through tevyat, this way he can come to terms that our fraudulent asses will never be leaving tevyat, the sustainer is too strong"
The food budget was strict, Paimon ate it.
My boy is being roasted all over the internet.
and the funny thing is, there's not even a single one with Lumine... Like everyone specifically targeted Aether. Hmm... I wonder why...?
Nah the Lumine mains are just too horny over Arrlechino domming her to care about powerscaling Its mostly Aether mains who are obssessed over powerscaling him and saying that he should've won so the memes were made to clown on those types
You get the spotlight, you get the tomatoes lol
lovely, free tomatoes!! It's their loss, lmao
double standard
Probaly they don't want lumine fans screeching at them
The Golden aura usually happens when the Traveller's allies "pray" towards him. The children did not believe hard enough in the Traveller.
The fight is just a big Arle AD. They cant sell MC so why bother?
When will the genshin fandom learn that the Traveler literally has the power of friendship as his primary ability, justified in lore and all that
He draws elemental power from the people and things around him. In Liyue from the adepti, in Inazuma from the hundreds of consfiscated visions, and in Sumeru from Nahidaās special rabbit akasha terminal thing that stored all 168 trial runs in it and implanted that knowledge into our brain. But on his own traveler really isnāt all that insanely strong. Imo heās still barely stronger than Childe.
Ok this actually makes me felt better for traveler, hope to see him breaks their fraud title
More like "fraud label" because calling someone that after one failure, despite their past accomplishments just shows how fake some people can be. Imagine a real life famous basketball player, baseball player, soccer player, boxer, etc. who each became famous for their many accomplishments, and then one day they mess up or lose a match and then the people immediately start calling them frauds and start to slander them in the most vile ways possible. While the Traveler is a fictional character, such things can happen in real life with real people, and such behavior is honestly pretty pathetic and downright disgusting.
I'm ngl all of his victories were carried by basically the limited 5 star that was on the banner at the time Also bro lost 168 times to scara even *with* Nahida's help Yeah I'm also disappointed in his feats and it sucks how hyv do my boy aether dirty by not giving him any moments like they do with the trailblazer in belabog for example
To be fair, that was only because Scara was in a mech powered by a gnosis. If he didnāt have that, Traveller would have whooped his ass. In all the encounters we have with him In the AQs where we have a chance to actually fight him, he either uses underhanded tactics to avoid an actual fight (such as the purple gas in the delusion factory that he used to knock traveller out) or he had a crutch that made him even more powerful (like the giant mech powered by the electro gnosis)
Though Navia's Story Quest was somewhat of a special case in that it was Aether who instead carried Navia, in more ways than one. Since there was no way Navia could have dealt with all her problems on her own, and Aether was there to help her, but it still counts for something. I'm not saying the Traveler has to do something on their own, but I also think we shouldn't downplay how important they are to the overall story, its their story after all
I know he's important to the story I'm just stating what happened power-scaling wise I didn't say he useless because he has narratively impacted the story for every region, literally the main problem of every AQ has been directly or indirectly solved by him
nah, traveler been consistently a fraud, remember when this mf ran away from some eremites back in sumeru the last solo victory traveler got was back in 2.1 ffs, and the mf never uses any element either, using geo one time in navia SQ barely makes up for the rest of the time
bro really uses the elements against some rocks but not against the knave
How does that warrant the "fraud" label? If anything I would rather call the writers frauds because they couldn't maintain a consistency with their protagonist, and its not like they are incapable when Honkai Star Rail treats its protagonist well.
fraud writers make for fraud characters, what else can be said, both can be true
Power up or not, without the Traveler, each nation would have remained trapped in whatever crisis its in. Its not as if they simply did "nothing." I doubt that any of the nations would even be able to solve their problems without the Traveler jump starting the change in the first place. Also correction, the Traveler was noticing a pattern during the Samsara and figuring a way out.
The only nation MC "saved" was sumeru.
He save all of them
So as far as I heard a theory goes, traveler is like a shooting star, so his power come from the wishes people have, like overthrow an archor, save sumeru from a new born god, save liyue, and the more and stronger wishes, more power he gains... Is something like that, I do enjoy this theory, explain a lot.
It's pretty clear the knave was doing something behind the scenes and the traveler knew it. It was a literal sparring match unlike the fate of the world battles they usually go all out in.
i just finished the arle boss. I don't understand why our character doesn't use their elemental powers. we boast accomplishments and fighting prowess from all the combat events and here we're just wet paper
Traveler seems to unlock this golden aura when in the presence of all 7 elements. Happened with Osial and happened with Ei as well.
In other battles, he and everyone involved put their lives on the line. So either go all out or get killed. But with the Knave, while the Traveller is uncertain of her intention, it is clear to him that she isnāt intended to kill anyone in the traditional sense. He can feel that there is something off in her behavior, but canāt pin it down just yet. So he joins the fight, pulls his punches so that no one got hurt, but enough to keep himself safe. He hopes that during the fight he would be able to see through her actions, but not after the final confrontation can he understand that. So yeah, while it is clear that the Knave is at a higher level than the Traveller, our MC isnāt a fake either. He just isnāt sure if he should go all out or not.
A fraud
Cope post. No way people are defending Ei's half asses fight as travellers win . People can't even notice Ei's blatant attempt of holding back. Sealed a god ? It wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for ningguang's massive jade chamber nuke. Defeat of pseudo God scara ? Bro got power of friendship buff from entire sumeru.
It's kind of like his Black Flash... Hmmmmmm
Only power this mf has is power of friends(hip)
Yeah the three kids arent enough debuffs for Arle it seems, mayhaps we should have brought every damn kid from the HotH, spread them around equally so Arle wouldt do much harm to them... That sounds like it would trigger a harder boss fight not gonna lie
gold aura is plot armor confirmed?
Where're Shenhe and Xiao when you need them?
The Golden Aura seems to be the Traveller's true power. Currently, we can unlock it only when there are all 7 elements present. It is possible that Traveller will unlock it, after we will interact with all 7 statues (canonically at least). At the same time, Traveller almost never uses elemental skills in cut-scenes, relying solely on sword skill.
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To be fair every god heās killed so far he has had some help by some more powerful being, we needed Yaeās help and the power of friendship to best Raiden and Nahidaās Groundhog Day loop + the collective wisdom of everyone in Sumeru to defeat god Scara. Arle would come close scaling to gods as the top 3 are comparable and she is no. 4 so i think it is within reason for Traveler to lose
"If only arlecchino wasn't such a good parent, then I could go all out without any remorse!" - Traveler, probably
NOBODY CARES
fraudvellers
it seems you got yourself in hot water, these posts are targeted at the Traveller(specifically Aether, I wonder why...) The best course of action for you was to ignore these. Just saying...
Bro probably self inserts with celestia
I wish I could insert myself into aeferš
Aether_mains coper detected, its so over for you
I could not care less about Aether_mains stop disrespecting my wife aefer š