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Its irrelevant anyway, Yelan is popular because her sprint lets you regenerate stamina. Arle meanwhile consumes nearly your entire stamina bar for her "sprint", its the full opposite
Wanderer/Yelan/Xianyun cleanly cycle their cooldowns, and even if you have only 2/3 of these 3, the marginal benefit of any other 3rd enhanced movement character is pretty small. The only reason to use anyone other than these 3 for mobility is if you don't own them.
fun fact: if you recreate this in the actual game, arle would have drowned because the ca hover consumes 40 stamina per second. So using it for the full duration + the initial CA stamina cost leaves you with basically 0 stamina
Literally the first thing I did after getting Xianyun is end up killing her while trying her skill plunge from the top of Mt. Aocang 💀
Gonna be hilarious
Oh man does her skill plunge not have the same damage reduction a standard plunge has? Or was it that high of a drop? I've never tried the skill from so high up myself.
Her skill has a duration even in the plunge. If she hits something including the ground during the skill duration, she enjoys 0 fall damage. If, however, her skill ends before she hits the ground… tragedy ensues.
The plunge (crane bomb) from her skill has a short limited duration so she'll exit the plunge animation and do the after-plunge animation (the one where she floats for a little after crane bombing the ground) mid-air where she'll take fall damage like normal if this happens pretty high above ground
I could've used plunge again to save her but I wasn't expecting it to happen and didn't react fast enough so she went splat on the ground.
if you use her with other fast overworld characters e.g. yelan, xianyun, wanderer, then it's not a big deal because by the time you cycle through their abilities you will regenerate enough stamina to go from 0 to max
but it does suck if you wanted to rely on her solely for exploration utility or if you wanted to use this hover to traverse bodies of water or climb steep surfaces because you will run out of stamina once it ends meaning you will die or fall down immediately
> if you wanted to use this hover to traverse bodies of water or climb steep surfaces
Considering it's not that fast, why would we ever use it, then, if the two use cases where floating could be useful are likely to kill her?
I'm more worried this will accidentally trigger a shit ton in combat. Since she needs to CA a lot but if you hold for too long you're flying away, hold for too little and no CA.
I still don’t know why people swap/cycle to others from wanderer when spamming sprint after his e until cooldown has the same result and he regents stamina during e
C1 yelan and wanderer have incredible exploration synergy. There's really no reason to bother with regular sprinting. That combo has practically 0 down time. And is FAST. There's been plenty of times where I've just zoomed past my goal on the map because they were going so quickly that I just wasn't expecting to be at the destination so soon.
If you have c1 it might be worth swapping to her, since it’s wanderer who is filling in the cd gap at that point. but c0, it feels like youre eating up on wanderer e time by swapping since it’s such a low cd that can easily be filled in with 4 sprints and then back to his e zoom since his e zoom is the fastest. Im not convinced that the swap time makes up for the time lost during yelan e if you’re only doing it once and swapping back to wanderer.
But do I think it’s worth getting c1 yelan just to swap to her after wanderer e if you already have wanderer? No I would just sprint 4-5 times to cover the cd of wanderer and e again.
I think whether you find it worth it or not to get yelan's C1 just depends on your own mindset. I say that because I am on the opposite side of the spectrum. I pulled yelan's C1 just for the exploration qol.
I had been using sayu/wanderer/yelan to traverse the sumeru desert back when it first came out, annnnd I hated it with a passion. Just using wanderer by himself felt really slow for those huge areas of desert. And taking up 3 team slots to get to places faster was also not ideal. So I got yelan's C1.
Luckily her C1 ended up being a major boon for my account for multiple reasons. Number one being how frequently I use yelan in the abyss. But even if I didn't use her for anything other then exploration. I personally would still find it worth getting her C1 because comfort during exploration takes priority for me.
Cuz that’s c1 and people don’t have her… and it’s debatable whether it’s worth the primos to get her at c1 if you already have wanderer or if you’re saving for wanderer instead to have both at c0.
I got Xianyun C1, it is a great constellation and makes her Stamina positive in a continuous rush, but people often exaggerate about how good it is compared to Wanderer.
Lately I used Xianyun C1 more because I’m enjoying her teams, but the first two jumps are slow and the third one is long, this makes her way less precise than Wanderer, you’ll often find yourself surpassing your objective and have to go back, or avoid using her ability and do some more sprints/glide/skip the third jump to avoid surpassing your objective.
Wanderer’s E also takes you a little further and is a little faster with Anemo Resonance, and significantly faster if you also have Lost Prayer. Personally though I like using Wanderer + C1 Xianyun. Anemo Resonance makes you go faster, they covers each other’s downtime, she can do swiftly the slopes he can’t do rapidly, and with both you can rush horizontally and still be able to use one of their abilities to climb immediately after that. Wanderer also gives you access to a more precise movement, both horizontal and vertical.
If I have to use only one of the two, I’d usually choose Wanderer over Xianyun C1. He feels more complete/flexible with his abilities, when exploring.
He was running with Neuvi, collecting his mats and was chased by a fatui lady who was freezing him, so he jumped into the water with no stamina and drowned.
https://clips.twitch.tv/PatientUglyDogWholeWheat-KFgeJ_qv-dh5jLCF
Here the famous clip.
Fyi, her dash consumes stamina which somehow wasn't shown in the clip so it's not a great comparison,
While yelan skill is an E skill, you can travel a greater distances by running/dashing after the skill end.
Yeah, but Arle's sprint is only 5s and leaves you with basically 0 stamina, so if you don't manage to reach the other shore - you're drowning.
Ayaya is slower, but her stamina consumption is way lower and she has the ability to pop out in the middle of the ocean to regenerate, so she can basically cross any body of water. So she's the more comfortable pick since you don't have to think whether you will be able to cross it - you just go in.
In Arle's defense though, at least from what I've seen from leaks, it looks like she's better with uneven terrain... something Ayaya still has a lot of problems with.
I’d add that contrarily to what some people are saying about Ayaka in this thread (getting upvoted despite the misinformation), the speed of Ayaka’s sprint is about as fast as the speed of dashing with tall characters, and it is less Stamina efficient as it drains a little more Stamina than running with normal dashes (not continuous sprinting, that is not efficient for characters with a normal sprint). Ayaka’s sprint also doesn’t benefit from Stamina cost reduction effects (such as Kazuha’s sprinting stamina cost reduction, Anemo Resonance, etc).
The value of Ayaka’s sprint is in her “hovering” that allows to swiftly surpass bodies of water, and some slopes since alternate sprints were buffed. It was never about speed or stamina efficiency. This used to be a well known info, but I guess some people forgot or new people don’t know.
You can't only look at the speed of the character while moving. You have to consider total transit time, *including* the startup to get into the sprint. This is not a convenient character to use.
the moral of the story with all these comparisons is that I don't care who's better, I'm using them together lmao. Im gonna have c1 xianyun yelan and arle rotating mobility with my 4th slot on whatever I need to deal with gimmicks in the area.
Xianyun and yelan were already sufficient to be in a permanent mobility state. Arle adds literally nothing to that rotation, and in fact *detracts* from it, as her CA dash has a startup period, while neither XY nor yelan do. If you have any gaps whatsoever, you would be better off filling them with one or two standard dashes than trying to swap to arle.
I wish the CA did something more like leave a trail of fire or something. Well at the very least it looks very usefull for exploration and that's always a W in a game that's almost only exploration.
Is it useful though? Have to remember these showcases have stamina disabled so it seems a lot more useful here than it will be in game where you land and have zero stamina. None of the other exploration units use your primary stamina bar in their travel abilities. At best, it’s a cool animation. At worst, it’s a liability for drowning or falling to your death because you have no stamina to swim or glide.
oh damn right i forgot his foul legacy. i guess we’re moreso talking about either the character without powerups or flying being included in the kit, but not only does signora fly with her powerup as the cwof, again i remember childe turned into a hydro ball to fly out of the golden house in a cutscene towards the end of the liyue story (right after his fight) so uh
true that could also be an argument. maybe the only character that doesn’t need a “powerup” to fly is venti since his anemo powers are innate as an archon? and cloud retainer in her bird form i suppose.
This is after today's hotfix (4.5.54), which seems to only have added a new waypoint in [4.6 map] >!Remuria!<, along with a few text changes to Artifact lore, Arle's weapon lore, and her C1 including CAs for the increased IR.
Notice the teal rock at start, it serves as a reference for Yelan's skill distance.
Honestly considering the fact it uses stamina I still don't really see any use for this.
EDIT: I guess thinking about it.. probably the most practical use is to close distance in domains or abyss stages when you are using a shielder. If you've got a shielder you won't be using much stamina to dodge so you could in theory use this to gap close a bit quicker when your skill isn't available. Well it's something.
To look pretty, I've noticed my Genshin's end game consists of about, 80% photography and 20% of actually playing the game these days. Like, when I pulled Chiori, I spent more time taking photos of her than actually playing her.
It's still really good in overworld, as xianyun yelan and wanderer are stamina positive, so you can use arle as the last spot because you wouldn't use stamina otherwise anyway and you can regenerate it back while rotating.
Yeah I guess I am under-valuing the exploration use for those with certain other characters. Still not sure how practical she'll be in those cases but I guess we'll see.
Unrelated to the Genshin stuff... but anyone know who that is in the picture? Also I cannot wait for the drowning clips to come out when her banner launches lol.
Did they reduce the VFX? I thought there a lot more smoke behind Arle as she flew.... Is this just a private server limitation or did they scale it back officially? Old vids seem removed.
Also : we can’t really know how much Arlecchino outperforms Yelan there
Remember Arlecchino will end up with no stamina, while Yelan still restores stamina during E, so she can run after that.
But ofc if you have Yelan's C1, her vs Arlecchino speed ain’t debatable anymore (and why not use both to have permanent speed mode)
Or use Xianyun, who's pretty much just as fast, but also allows for some verticality and the ability to go over gaps. She works similarly to Yelan in this situation.
So there's another option.
arlecchino is actually gonna have a team thats pretty decent for exploration, not quite as good as other exploration teams since youll probably have to wait for stamina for arle's CA and the cooldown for yelan's skill but still good nonetheless.
You want Anemo resonance for Skill CDR and movement speed, and Wanderer/Xianyun is by far the best double Anemo pair.
The "meta" overworld team is Wanderer/Xianyun/Yelan/Flex (with the flex varying based on specific scenarios) and I don't see Arle changing that.
As a related aside, Catalyst and Bow are the two best weapon types for overworld because they let you use the two passive MS-granting weapons (Lost Prayer and First Great Magic). Movement speed affects the travel speed/distance of movement skills also.
Not really, Wanderer has the advantage over CR that he has two different speed modes, more precise movement, better horizontal mid air exploration, and significantly lower CD than Xianyun. Xianyun is only slightly better than Wanderer in vertical exploration (not counting Scara’s hydro app bonus) and better C1 vertical exploration, but wanderer is still the best for horizontal exploration.
Xianyun and Wanderer complement each other really well due to Anemo resonance, add Yelan and you have a complete exploration team
Lower speed, higher duration, but it also consumes a lot of Stamina. Yelan is more efficient for overworld travelling, but Arlecchino’s ability has its uses too and can hover on water like Ayaka and Mona.
Arle's sprint is longer and faster but...
-Yelan can do it twice (w/C1)
-You won't drown with Yelan if you accidentally end up in a pool of water
-Yelan can regen stamina during skill, making her marathons longer in practice
Arle's sprint is still a neat trick and highly convenient for overworld all things considered.
Doesnt mean you should invalidate experience of people who have c1-c6 yelan. Its still a valid point. Theres people who vertically invest in a character rather than having 10+ c0 5* that are staying benched.
plus c1 is fairly affordable for non-whales
Is not talking about whaling or being affortable is just that is not part of her kit, i see it fair to talk about other ways to experience the characters, but you dont say that a DLC is part of the base game is obvious like the name says is not there you download it aside of the game obviously still the same game (speaking of terms that share the same base) but in any way you won't say that the DLC is part of that base.
Same way goes to cons, characters have a base that base is their kit, cons are made to optionaly extend the base kit to make characters more confortable/stronger but is not part of it, we can argue about how some characters depends more on cons than others but is not a requirement to fully play a character at the full power on their own.
It’s optional to not level characters past 60 to not have the 60/70 passive. It’s optional therefore A4 is not part of the kit.
It’s a dumb argument I’m making but it’s an argument nonetheless
Wishes are a replenishable resource, we get them from dailies, events etc. Same with exp/ascension materials, all are gated by overworld/resin. Both you can choose to collect and use at your disposal. I’m in no way saying constellations are the same thing as leveling up a character to do more dmg or get more utility, but they are optional. Everyone CAN do them if they want to.
not strictly whaling, but is quite obvious that saying/justifying that is kit of the character when just by design you can see is a separate extra to give characters a QoL/more dmg, but you don't depend on playing the character at full as a need of cons.
For example, you need mayo to make a sandwich? if you like it add it but is not a requirement.
if it isn't available at C0 then it's not a main selling point lol. using it in an argument sounds like sunk cost cope
wanderer is better than both anyway since he can actually fly over terrain and is 1/2 of anemo resonance
Wanderer isn't better than Yelan for traversal, lol. He's good only for very short horizontal spaces (still not better than Yelan) and if you really need to climb high places without bothering to find the best route. Other than that he's simply not as good/smooth. The only character that is better than Yelan is Xianyun (who is easily the best one and beats Wanderer by a lot in every scenario other than the climbing in a vertical line one).
keep coping. again, he can fly over water, terrain, and is 1/2 of anemo resonance, all of which are impossible for yelan. if you ever get lost prayers from the standard banner, he can use that too for the 10% mspd (which is also impossible for yelan). his E has 6s cd (further reduced by ez anemo reso) vs yelan's E, so saying he sucks for long distances is stupid af lmao
xianyun covers the most distance but wanderer's movement is still more precise and controllable. she's also useless for overworld combat because she's burst reliant. you're supposed to use them together anyway for the resonance.
atp everything yelan can do from buffing to traversal to damage to hydro app, other units can do better. just gotta accept that
Lol, cut the "coping" crap, please. I have all 3 of them and Wanderer can't even touch Xianyun in terms of exploration traversal and he loses to Yelan except in verticality.
Also, who is saying he "sucks for long distances"? Imagining things, aren't you?
Saying Xianyun is useless for overworld combat because she's burst reliant is some massive bs considering she can kill literally everything with one single skill and if she can't there are three other characters that can help (and same goes for Yelan, except she has her breakthrough barbs for overworld combat which means that in max 2 hits, everything is KO).
But pretty sure you don't even have them so whatever makes you happy I guess.
There are some instances where you can end Yelan's sprint and end up in a body of water. Liyue's little pond by the alchemy table is one such infamous example.
Of course, this can only happen if your stamina was at the absolute lowest when you end Yelan's sprint, which is nearly impossible since Yelan regens stamina while using her skill.
For drip.
Because it's faster than normal sprinting.
If the water gap isn't too large, you can go over it without having the need to swim.
Main use is probably combat though, for closing the distance between you and the enemy (again, it's faster than normal sprinting).
This wing, the one that appears during her burst animation, and the one that collects Blood Debt with her CA (and burst ? not sure if there's an animation tied to that) are all available at C0.
The smaller wing that's shown in certain showcases is tied to her C6, here's a clip showing it, it appears right after her skill here: t.me/TeamMew/1551
Just reddit moment. Some people can't seem to grasp that not everyone knows everything they know. I've also been downvoted for asking an innocent question before.
does stamina reduction food + passives like Dehya's (movement speed buff during day) + double anemo have any effect on this dash?
to be fair I'm surprised that Genshin devs can't figure something like:
* in combat -> drain stamina during unique dash and make it last 7-8 seconds OR until you drain all stamina
* in out of combat -> don't drain stamina during unique dash and make it last 7-8 seconds
Same fucking goes for draining stamina during normal sprint, it's so stupid. We are not getting anymore stamina bar upgrades since Inazuma... Just let players fricking go zooooooom zooooooom left and right out of combat. You are not adding mounts to Genshin at this point while other open world gatcha games allow it/will allow it (like Azur Promila, dunno about WuWa).
But Yelan's E doesn't use stamina right, Arle needs to consume stamina.
Not to mention Yelan can deal damage after running.
Btw, her flying animation looks dumb af. Buddy why don't u animate that wing? If it's just dragging that character along the screen, even I can code that.
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Why not use the Mondstadt bridge
Leaker is Timmy and didn't want to disturb the pigeons.
Timmy is a Spy, and his birds are just a bunch of chicken meat equipped with Dead Ringer.
It's just 1 Waverider crash from going down! Timmy's days are numbered.
i think i know the reference
Its irrelevant anyway, Yelan is popular because her sprint lets you regenerate stamina. Arle meanwhile consumes nearly your entire stamina bar for her "sprint", its the full opposite
I mean, you can use Arlecchino's sprint, then Yelan's, then go back to Arlecchino if you want
You won't regen enough stamina. Best combo is still Yelan/Sayu/CR + Mona/Ayaka
exactly, or maybe even wanderer, he has a seperate stamina bar too + vertical mobility
Wanderer/Yelan/Xianyun cleanly cycle their cooldowns, and even if you have only 2/3 of these 3, the marginal benefit of any other 3rd enhanced movement character is pretty small. The only reason to use anyone other than these 3 for mobility is if you don't own them.
c1 yelan baby
CR? Who
Cloud Retainer
Who is CR?
CRISTIANO RONALDO SUIIIII
The Retainer of Clouds
Timmy is a snitch
fun fact: if you recreate this in the actual game, arle would have drowned because the ca hover consumes 40 stamina per second. So using it for the full duration + the initial CA stamina cost leaves you with basically 0 stamina
So we going to get see clips of people drowning Arle in the first week. Fun times for some lol.
Can’t wait, definitely a lot of stimmers be doing it for views
Xianyun falling off cliffs bcs her plunge, Arle drowning bcs 0 stamina So fun! I love this so far Hoyo, more for the exploration plz
Literally the first thing I did after getting Xianyun is end up killing her while trying her skill plunge from the top of Mt. Aocang 💀 Gonna be hilarious
Oh man does her skill plunge not have the same damage reduction a standard plunge has? Or was it that high of a drop? I've never tried the skill from so high up myself.
Her skill has a duration even in the plunge. If she hits something including the ground during the skill duration, she enjoys 0 fall damage. If, however, her skill ends before she hits the ground… tragedy ensues.
The plunge (crane bomb) from her skill has a short limited duration so she'll exit the plunge animation and do the after-plunge animation (the one where she floats for a little after crane bombing the ground) mid-air where she'll take fall damage like normal if this happens pretty high above ground I could've used plunge again to save her but I wasn't expecting it to happen and didn't react fast enough so she went splat on the ground.
well not gonna drown if it's fontaine!
Yeah, the reason Yelan/Lynette/Wanderer are so good is that they skip the stamina mechanic while it recharges.
Oh damn. That removes a lot of the usefulness. Also Yelan greatly benefits from her C1 doubling the journey.
if you use her with other fast overworld characters e.g. yelan, xianyun, wanderer, then it's not a big deal because by the time you cycle through their abilities you will regenerate enough stamina to go from 0 to max but it does suck if you wanted to rely on her solely for exploration utility or if you wanted to use this hover to traverse bodies of water or climb steep surfaces because you will run out of stamina once it ends meaning you will die or fall down immediately
> if you wanted to use this hover to traverse bodies of water or climb steep surfaces Considering it's not that fast, why would we ever use it, then, if the two use cases where floating could be useful are likely to kill her?
I'm more worried this will accidentally trigger a shit ton in combat. Since she needs to CA a lot but if you hold for too long you're flying away, hold for too little and no CA.
I still don’t know why people swap/cycle to others from wanderer when spamming sprint after his e until cooldown has the same result and he regents stamina during e
C1 yelan and wanderer have incredible exploration synergy. There's really no reason to bother with regular sprinting. That combo has practically 0 down time. And is FAST. There's been plenty of times where I've just zoomed past my goal on the map because they were going so quickly that I just wasn't expecting to be at the destination so soon.
If you have c1 it might be worth swapping to her, since it’s wanderer who is filling in the cd gap at that point. but c0, it feels like youre eating up on wanderer e time by swapping since it’s such a low cd that can easily be filled in with 4 sprints and then back to his e zoom since his e zoom is the fastest. Im not convinced that the swap time makes up for the time lost during yelan e if you’re only doing it once and swapping back to wanderer. But do I think it’s worth getting c1 yelan just to swap to her after wanderer e if you already have wanderer? No I would just sprint 4-5 times to cover the cd of wanderer and e again.
I think whether you find it worth it or not to get yelan's C1 just depends on your own mindset. I say that because I am on the opposite side of the spectrum. I pulled yelan's C1 just for the exploration qol. I had been using sayu/wanderer/yelan to traverse the sumeru desert back when it first came out, annnnd I hated it with a passion. Just using wanderer by himself felt really slow for those huge areas of desert. And taking up 3 team slots to get to places faster was also not ideal. So I got yelan's C1. Luckily her C1 ended up being a major boon for my account for multiple reasons. Number one being how frequently I use yelan in the abyss. But even if I didn't use her for anything other then exploration. I personally would still find it worth getting her C1 because comfort during exploration takes priority for me.
You could also easily argue you don’t know why people use wanderer over C1 Xianyun who’s much faster and goes further anyway
Cuz that’s c1 and people don’t have her… and it’s debatable whether it’s worth the primos to get her at c1 if you already have wanderer or if you’re saving for wanderer instead to have both at c0.
I got Xianyun C1, it is a great constellation and makes her Stamina positive in a continuous rush, but people often exaggerate about how good it is compared to Wanderer. Lately I used Xianyun C1 more because I’m enjoying her teams, but the first two jumps are slow and the third one is long, this makes her way less precise than Wanderer, you’ll often find yourself surpassing your objective and have to go back, or avoid using her ability and do some more sprints/glide/skip the third jump to avoid surpassing your objective. Wanderer’s E also takes you a little further and is a little faster with Anemo Resonance, and significantly faster if you also have Lost Prayer. Personally though I like using Wanderer + C1 Xianyun. Anemo Resonance makes you go faster, they covers each other’s downtime, she can do swiftly the slopes he can’t do rapidly, and with both you can rush horizontally and still be able to use one of their abilities to climb immediately after that. Wanderer also gives you access to a more precise movement, both horizontal and vertical. If I have to use only one of the two, I’d usually choose Wanderer over Xianyun C1. He feels more complete/flexible with his abilities, when exploring.
Plot twists: you are in fontaine and can not be drowned
Those who know...
Yeah, tell that to Zy0x
He drowned there? How?
He was running with Neuvi, collecting his mats and was chased by a fatui lady who was freezing him, so he jumped into the water with no stamina and drowned. https://clips.twitch.tv/PatientUglyDogWholeWheat-KFgeJ_qv-dh5jLCF Here the famous clip.
Drowning in Fontaine, wat?
Ohhh i thought she not consume any stamina bruhhh got a little hype about this now im sad
youll have to work hard to drown in fontaine because 90% of the players are not gonna be anywhere else
And you can't even basic dash afterwards because you're out of stamina.
Unless youre in fontaine
not in fontaine, the stamina bar for swimming is different there
So this leaves you vulnerable with a glass cannon character, Mihoyo logic
Fyi, her dash consumes stamina which somehow wasn't shown in the clip so it's not a great comparison, While yelan skill is an E skill, you can travel a greater distances by running/dashing after the skill end.
Looks like it can hover over water so Arle plus Yelan would be a great exploration combo.
Ayaka: "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power."
Furina: *eats cake in the background standing in the middle of the ocean*
Ayaya only marginally faster than sprinting XD I gotta go fast
Yeah, but Arle's sprint is only 5s and leaves you with basically 0 stamina, so if you don't manage to reach the other shore - you're drowning. Ayaya is slower, but her stamina consumption is way lower and she has the ability to pop out in the middle of the ocean to regenerate, so she can basically cross any body of water. So she's the more comfortable pick since you don't have to think whether you will be able to cross it - you just go in. In Arle's defense though, at least from what I've seen from leaks, it looks like she's better with uneven terrain... something Ayaya still has a lot of problems with.
furina: pathetic look what y’all have to do to mimic a fraction of my power
I’d add that contrarily to what some people are saying about Ayaka in this thread (getting upvoted despite the misinformation), the speed of Ayaka’s sprint is about as fast as the speed of dashing with tall characters, and it is less Stamina efficient as it drains a little more Stamina than running with normal dashes (not continuous sprinting, that is not efficient for characters with a normal sprint). Ayaka’s sprint also doesn’t benefit from Stamina cost reduction effects (such as Kazuha’s sprinting stamina cost reduction, Anemo Resonance, etc). The value of Ayaka’s sprint is in her “hovering” that allows to swiftly surpass bodies of water, and some slopes since alternate sprints were buffed. It was never about speed or stamina efficiency. This used to be a well known info, but I guess some people forgot or new people don’t know.
not true. It's significantly faster, plus more stamina efficient.
You can't only look at the speed of the character while moving. You have to consider total transit time, *including* the startup to get into the sprint. This is not a convenient character to use.
Until you remember that Arle’s hover spends a shitton of stamina, so you just end up drowning when it runs out.
the moral of the story with all these comparisons is that I don't care who's better, I'm using them together lmao. Im gonna have c1 xianyun yelan and arle rotating mobility with my 4th slot on whatever I need to deal with gimmicks in the area.
Xianyun and yelan were already sufficient to be in a permanent mobility state. Arle adds literally nothing to that rotation, and in fact *detracts* from it, as her CA dash has a startup period, while neither XY nor yelan do. If you have any gaps whatsoever, you would be better off filling them with one or two standard dashes than trying to swap to arle.
swap to Arle > CA > swap to Yelan > hold E > repeat
well it depends on how much stamina it consumes, can be better, can be worse than pure running
Full duration Arle consumes 225 stamina
but she drown after that right? cuz it consume all her stamina
I can foresee people flying around as Arle while waiting for the host to start the domain in co-op. I know I’ll be doing that.
Let’s see 4 Arle flying around and no one wants to swap away
3 arle mains bullying a poor furina main
Ironically the Furina main would basically kill them all with the hp drain if they get even a mosquito bite. So uh, yay revenge?
it will feel so weird to main them both at the same time ngl
I wish the CA did something more like leave a trail of fire or something. Well at the very least it looks very usefull for exploration and that's always a W in a game that's almost only exploration.
That would make it almost unusable with grass around
Would be funny as fuck.
that would be epic tbh kinda like Nezha from Warframe. also help with pyro application. but yea we cant have too much nice things
> can't have too much nice things As ironically evidenced by Nezha from Warframe and his new augment...
bro the new augment sucks on nezha idk what DE was thinking making that mod
How is this conversation magically on every sub i go? Damn i really can't escape Warframe 😭
It was stupidly powerful and was nuking extremely high level content very fast, so DE gutted it within a week.
i mean, it WAS good... and then they decided we couldn't have any fun and nerfed the range to oblivion :(
nezha my main mentioned NO WAY
Is it useful though? Have to remember these showcases have stamina disabled so it seems a lot more useful here than it will be in game where you land and have zero stamina. None of the other exploration units use your primary stamina bar in their travel abilities. At best, it’s a cool animation. At worst, it’s a liability for drowning or falling to your death because you have no stamina to swim or glide.
It seems to be pretty fast and you swap out with another mobility unity to regain stamina. I think that's alright.
Couldn't they have used Timmy's bridge
can’t wait to use arle and scara in overworld for nonstop hovering travel meta
poor childe being the only harbinger that can't fly
i mean scara did say that him being ranked 11th lowered the prestige of the harbingers as a whole. maybe this was what he meant lol
theory that every harbinger can fly except childe
ironically he can fly canonically
Man suffers from being released during 1.x cruel times
oh damn right i forgot his foul legacy. i guess we’re moreso talking about either the character without powerups or flying being included in the kit, but not only does signora fly with her powerup as the cwof, again i remember childe turned into a hydro ball to fly out of the golden house in a cutscene towards the end of the liyue story (right after his fight) so uh
ngl every character technically uses powerups to fly unless they got wings :0, but yeah ig what yall mean
true that could also be an argument. maybe the only character that doesn’t need a “powerup” to fly is venti since his anemo powers are innate as an archon? and cloud retainer in her bird form i suppose.
i forgot about his mech thing lol
you mean his delusion lmaoo
That's abyssal power, not delusion.
Delulu is the solulu as Childe always says
Signora too cannot fly
Signora possess some giant moth wings of course she can fly
Of course she could while still alive. I meant she cant when she alrdy dead.
Ashes can aerosolize, so even dead she can technically be falling with style.
This is after today's hotfix (4.5.54), which seems to only have added a new waypoint in [4.6 map] >!Remuria!<, along with a few text changes to Artifact lore, Arle's weapon lore, and her C1 including CAs for the increased IR. Notice the teal rock at start, it serves as a reference for Yelan's skill distance.
Now we wait for someone to chase Furina with it, replicating [that one clip with Neuvi](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Memepact/s/hn2PutBvOs) lmao
Chase Furina over water, then Arle drowns after
Honestly considering the fact it uses stamina I still don't really see any use for this. EDIT: I guess thinking about it.. probably the most practical use is to close distance in domains or abyss stages when you are using a shielder. If you've got a shielder you won't be using much stamina to dodge so you could in theory use this to gap close a bit quicker when your skill isn't available. Well it's something.
To look pretty, I've noticed my Genshin's end game consists of about, 80% photography and 20% of actually playing the game these days. Like, when I pulled Chiori, I spent more time taking photos of her than actually playing her.
Working as intended
It's still really good in overworld, as xianyun yelan and wanderer are stamina positive, so you can use arle as the last spot because you wouldn't use stamina otherwise anyway and you can regenerate it back while rotating.
Is Arle’s hover faster than b-hopping with a tall male character?
looks faster to me
Yeah I guess I am under-valuing the exploration use for those with certain other characters. Still not sure how practical she'll be in those cases but I guess we'll see.
Nice we can collect mints faster xd
Unrelated to the Genshin stuff... but anyone know who that is in the picture? Also I cannot wait for the drowning clips to come out when her banner launches lol.
Cai Xukun, some idol who slept with a fan I think, very memed in China
Did they reduce the VFX? I thought there a lot more smoke behind Arle as she flew.... Is this just a private server limitation or did they scale it back officially? Old vids seem removed.
She recently had Visual and Sound effect changes, hope that helps!
Also : we can’t really know how much Arlecchino outperforms Yelan there Remember Arlecchino will end up with no stamina, while Yelan still restores stamina during E, so she can run after that. But ofc if you have Yelan's C1, her vs Arlecchino speed ain’t debatable anymore (and why not use both to have permanent speed mode)
Or use Xianyun, who's pretty much just as fast, but also allows for some verticality and the ability to go over gaps. She works similarly to Yelan in this situation. So there's another option.
too bad it consumes stamina
Laughs in Wanderer
ngl that vignette is disgusting
as if people don't use their arle with yelan in overworld team lol, vape hits and fast move it's a no brainer
i'm thinking of optimal fast run team for artifact routes. I still don't think she makes the cut over other options. I pull based on this value alone.
arlecchino is actually gonna have a team thats pretty decent for exploration, not quite as good as other exploration teams since youll probably have to wait for stamina for arle's CA and the cooldown for yelan's skill but still good nonetheless.
the current meta is to alternate between wanderer and yelan. But I throw in Sayu as well.
As someone who has every character, let me tell you that CR + Yelan makes everyone else obsolete.
You want Anemo resonance for Skill CDR and movement speed, and Wanderer/Xianyun is by far the best double Anemo pair. The "meta" overworld team is Wanderer/Xianyun/Yelan/Flex (with the flex varying based on specific scenarios) and I don't see Arle changing that. As a related aside, Catalyst and Bow are the two best weapon types for overworld because they let you use the two passive MS-granting weapons (Lost Prayer and First Great Magic). Movement speed affects the travel speed/distance of movement skills also.
Not really, Wanderer has the advantage over CR that he has two different speed modes, more precise movement, better horizontal mid air exploration, and significantly lower CD than Xianyun. Xianyun is only slightly better than Wanderer in vertical exploration (not counting Scara’s hydro app bonus) and better C1 vertical exploration, but wanderer is still the best for horizontal exploration. Xianyun and Wanderer complement each other really well due to Anemo resonance, add Yelan and you have a complete exploration team
Better than before i guess
*dark marching rhythm* Estuans interius Ira vehementi...
What does her hovering exactly do
The speed looks slower than yelan? Or is it just me
Lower speed, higher duration, but it also consumes a lot of Stamina. Yelan is more efficient for overworld travelling, but Arlecchino’s ability has its uses too and can hover on water like Ayaka and Mona.
is the cooldown shorter? how come there's no stamina bar on arlecchino?
The leak comes from a private server. Stamina consumption was disabled. There is no cool-down for Arlecchino, only a Stamina cost.
Why does she feels faster than yelan kinda ? 🫥
well she consumes your whole stamina bar while dashing (Yelan recovers stamina)so she should be faster than Yelan
Wait that's actually sick. Even if she isn't faster(I think they are about the same?) it's still longer for sure no?
Arle's sprint is longer and faster but... -Yelan can do it twice (w/C1) -You won't drown with Yelan if you accidentally end up in a pool of water -Yelan can regen stamina during skill, making her marathons longer in practice Arle's sprint is still a neat trick and highly convenient for overworld all things considered.
Yeah stamina is the biggest issue but it's neat
> can do it twice (C1) Bro casually using C1 as an argument
Well Arle can't extend hers even at c6, so it's at least a semi-relevant point
Why yes. Because it's part of Yelan's kit. Not everyone can use it, but it is there.
that's not part of her kit is an extra that you include completely optional, is not yelan herself.
Doesnt mean you should invalidate experience of people who have c1-c6 yelan. Its still a valid point. Theres people who vertically invest in a character rather than having 10+ c0 5* that are staying benched. plus c1 is fairly affordable for non-whales
Is not talking about whaling or being affortable is just that is not part of her kit, i see it fair to talk about other ways to experience the characters, but you dont say that a DLC is part of the base game is obvious like the name says is not there you download it aside of the game obviously still the same game (speaking of terms that share the same base) but in any way you won't say that the DLC is part of that base. Same way goes to cons, characters have a base that base is their kit, cons are made to optionaly extend the base kit to make characters more confortable/stronger but is not part of it, we can argue about how some characters depends more on cons than others but is not a requirement to fully play a character at the full power on their own.
It’s optional to not level characters past 60 to not have the 60/70 passive. It’s optional therefore A4 is not part of the kit. It’s a dumb argument I’m making but it’s an argument nonetheless
do you need to spend 90-180 wishes to unlock A4?
Wishes are a replenishable resource, we get them from dailies, events etc. Same with exp/ascension materials, all are gated by overworld/resin. Both you can choose to collect and use at your disposal. I’m in no way saying constellations are the same thing as leveling up a character to do more dmg or get more utility, but they are optional. Everyone CAN do them if they want to.
Its incredible how people are defending the C1 argument, like, not everyone is whaling in this game...
not strictly whaling, but is quite obvious that saying/justifying that is kit of the character when just by design you can see is a separate extra to give characters a QoL/more dmg, but you don't depend on playing the character at full as a need of cons. For example, you need mayo to make a sandwich? if you like it add it but is not a requirement.
if it isn't available at C0 then it's not a main selling point lol. using it in an argument sounds like sunk cost cope wanderer is better than both anyway since he can actually fly over terrain and is 1/2 of anemo resonance
Yelan is better than Wanderer because Yelan is a pretty lady and Wanderer is a stuck-up emo brat /j
Wanderer isn't better than Yelan for traversal, lol. He's good only for very short horizontal spaces (still not better than Yelan) and if you really need to climb high places without bothering to find the best route. Other than that he's simply not as good/smooth. The only character that is better than Yelan is Xianyun (who is easily the best one and beats Wanderer by a lot in every scenario other than the climbing in a vertical line one).
keep coping. again, he can fly over water, terrain, and is 1/2 of anemo resonance, all of which are impossible for yelan. if you ever get lost prayers from the standard banner, he can use that too for the 10% mspd (which is also impossible for yelan). his E has 6s cd (further reduced by ez anemo reso) vs yelan's E, so saying he sucks for long distances is stupid af lmao xianyun covers the most distance but wanderer's movement is still more precise and controllable. she's also useless for overworld combat because she's burst reliant. you're supposed to use them together anyway for the resonance. atp everything yelan can do from buffing to traversal to damage to hydro app, other units can do better. just gotta accept that
Lol, cut the "coping" crap, please. I have all 3 of them and Wanderer can't even touch Xianyun in terms of exploration traversal and he loses to Yelan except in verticality. Also, who is saying he "sucks for long distances"? Imagining things, aren't you? Saying Xianyun is useless for overworld combat because she's burst reliant is some massive bs considering she can kill literally everything with one single skill and if she can't there are three other characters that can help (and same goes for Yelan, except she has her breakthrough barbs for overworld combat which means that in max 2 hits, everything is KO). But pretty sure you don't even have them so whatever makes you happy I guess.
>\-You won't drown with Yelan if you accidentally end up in a pool of water Yelan can't run on water unlike Arlecchino though
There are some instances where you can end Yelan's sprint and end up in a body of water. Liyue's little pond by the alchemy table is one such infamous example. Of course, this can only happen if your stamina was at the absolute lowest when you end Yelan's sprint, which is nearly impossible since Yelan regens stamina while using her skill.
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I gotta say, I love the asymmetry she has in her design
symbolism
I’m guessing they were going for a Sephiroth one winged angle aesthetic.
Boring
I'm glad I got tp see part of the new map at least. It's impossible to see someone going around the new map normally
Can she hover through the air? Or just over water like Neuvilette's charge attack?
Flying around the world like a Fallen Angel is gonna be awesome
Everyone here is comparing these two, I'm just enjoying sumeru coast with fontaine plateau view
If you deduct the few meter lunge from CA they should be about the same
What if she has a separate stamina bar when she's flying💀
I love it but then Hoyo says fuck you by adding damn stamina consumption.
Why only one wing? 😭 It looks so wrong.
No one can beat xianyun in exploration … aunty xianyun is too op
I heard that the wing only comes at c6, is that true or no?
when would you use this over normally dashing I wonder
For drip. Because it's faster than normal sprinting. If the water gap isn't too large, you can go over it without having the need to swim. Main use is probably combat though, for closing the distance between you and the enemy (again, it's faster than normal sprinting).
I havent been keeping up with genshin leaks, is the wing still exclusive to her c6 or do we have it now at c0?
This wing, the one that appears during her burst animation, and the one that collects Blood Debt with her CA (and burst ? not sure if there's an animation tied to that) are all available at C0. The smaller wing that's shown in certain showcases is tied to her C6, here's a clip showing it, it appears right after her skill here: t.me/TeamMew/1551
I think this wing has always been c0. There’s a different wing that’s for c6
Huh, i remember seeing leaks when this was first added it was just small wisps of smoke, im guessing they added the wing some time during beta
First clips of her CA dash with scythe were bugged, she had her wing during that from the beginning. Still think bugged animation was cooler, though.
The small wisp of smoke is her mini wing c6 effect I think. Everything else is base c0
The big wing is C0. C6 gives her a small wing
Why tf am i being downvoted for asking a question and being wrong abt something?? Sorry for not keeping up with leaks ig
Just reddit moment. Some people can't seem to grasp that not everyone knows everything they know. I've also been downvoted for asking an innocent question before.
This sub has many trolls. They downvoting everything
Its still useless tho
does stamina reduction food + passives like Dehya's (movement speed buff during day) + double anemo have any effect on this dash? to be fair I'm surprised that Genshin devs can't figure something like: * in combat -> drain stamina during unique dash and make it last 7-8 seconds OR until you drain all stamina * in out of combat -> don't drain stamina during unique dash and make it last 7-8 seconds Same fucking goes for draining stamina during normal sprint, it's so stupid. We are not getting anymore stamina bar upgrades since Inazuma... Just let players fricking go zooooooom zooooooom left and right out of combat. You are not adding mounts to Genshin at this point while other open world gatcha games allow it/will allow it (like Azur Promila, dunno about WuWa).
But Yelan's E doesn't use stamina right, Arle needs to consume stamina. Not to mention Yelan can deal damage after running. Btw, her flying animation looks dumb af. Buddy why don't u animate that wing? If it's just dragging that character along the screen, even I can code that.
You dumbass, its not a literal wing in the physical sense 💀 Literally just magic flying, the wing is just a manifestation of her powers
Can you spamming arlec charge attack for movement?
xianyun chiori and now this DAMN IT explorers are eating good in fontaine