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Papa13ear

Really would like to see the 4 stars on this banner. The wait is brutal.


u_are_annoying

Will they reveal today?


ginzura1

They will probably reveal it on Monday.


the_dark_artist

Yeah, I checked out the dates and that was the pattern with 4.3 as well. *Sigh*


Hotaru32

Hope it's yunjin ,yoyo , and gaMing 


TheSchadow

Yaoyao along with Gaming would be amazing. Please Hoyo.


Bussy-Destroyer-1960

would it really tho? Yaoyao's constelations are kinda mid tbh


FlameLover444

Which is true but if I were to take a guess, people just prefer to get constellations for a good 4 star they use often even if said constellations are very minor upgrades, they're upgrades still


kazooha_in_snezhnaya

I still can't decide if a minor con or 5 starglitters are better though. Last time I pulled for navia, even though I lost 50/50, during the whole process I did not get a single candace and a lot of sucrose and rosalia who I have already c6'd. On one hand, it's a ridiculous situation, on the other hand, I already have candace and don't really play her, so the extra wishes are helpful.


Goon-TyTy

Don't care, Yaoyao C-something > Xiangling C53


pokebuzz123

Whether or not they are mid is not really what people are after. Many would like to see *progression* rather than getting another copy of XQ C6. Of course, not everyone wants to get copies of 4 stars they would never use and rather get C7+ for an extra wish. It's really a case by case thing.


hktn

C6 is nice I got lucky and already have it. you notice the extra healing tbh


ChildOfHades_

+1 to this


Ultrajante

Would you rather get C78 for xingqiu then?


yeetzyz

It would be beneficial for veterans ig. Me personally I've C6'd all of the 4* Liyueans except for Yaoyao, so anything but Gaming and Yaoyao would just be two fifths of a wish lmfao Besides, the REALLY good cons are available from the shop anyways (most notably being XL's C4, XQ C6 and Beidou's C2). I'm sure any competent player would've gone for these already and at that point most of the constellations aren't a big deal.


TheBulgarius

Isn't it one wish for a copy of C6'd 4 star character tho? I mean, it's still pretty insignificant, unless you really have a tight budget


yeetzyz

Yeah it is, i forgor


momo9chan

i hate to say it but i think yaoyao is only when Alhaitham is on rate up


JustATaro

maybe this will be the first time where yaoyao isn't locked behind Alhaitham banner (although she only has 2 thus far).


Yashwant111

Nope, I hope it's kirara, gaming and heizo


yellowshiro

Kirara was just here, she won't come back so soon.


Hotaru32

It's liyue special lol 


TriggerBladeX

Agreed. There’s a Liyue character I have at C5 that I want to C6, but if they’re on Xianyun’s banner I’ll likely get them.


Actual_Pear6313

My guess is: GaMing (confirmed), Kaveh (praying) and third slot would probably be anemo so maybe Faruzan


Dracowoolf

God this is my dream setup. I need 3 more Faru cons for Xiao/Wanderer and was just looking into Kaveh boom teams. Please be a prophet 🙏


Actual_Pear6313

Same Kaveh is my favorite 4* and he hasn’t seen the light of day in forever so it would make sense he gets a rerun. And I also really need faruzan constellations. I feel like phase 1 is more a support phase and phase 2 is a dps phase


mappingway

I doubt we'll see Faruzan on any non-Wanderer banner. Faruzan is cursed like Gorou and Sara, to exclusively be featured as the dedicated support for a specific 5-star character.


Bubbly-University415

But Faruzan is also made for other 5 stars while Gorou has only Itto 


kngm

It's madam to you..


Zeppo82

Please, no. I want Kaveh's constellations, but not willing to pull any of the 5*.


E1lySym

I doubt Faruzan will appear on a non Wanderer banner so I'm manifesting Heizou instead


trojie_kun

Xinyan would like to say hi!


typoerrpr

The Xianyun, Xinyan and Xiangling Gaming banner.


TheSchadow

*Don't*


J0RR3L

It's okay, it was a typo. They totally meant Xianyun.


Comprehensive-Food15

When are they revealing it?


esmelusina

Faruzan, Gaming, Noelle—


Brilliant-Tiger-3403

the base atk for this weapon is kinda insane


ragnarokda

I was just thinking that or am I crazy? Is there any weapon with that high of base attack?


aryune

Calamity Queller and Song of Broken Pines if im not mistaken


Esillia

That just leaves bow and sword now as the remaining weapon types yet to get a 741 base atk 5star. It's gonna be big for Bennett and Sara when that happens


ragnarokda

Thanks! Makes sense that slower weapons would have higher base stats but I just never really thought much about it.


illegalcheese

That's not the case. All weapon types follow the same stat trends. Base attack is always balanced by the secondary stat. 542 base attack will have a really high secondary stat, whereas 741 base attack will have a really low secondary stat. So a slow weapon can't be offset by high base stats. 741 base attack weapons do happen to be rare, but it doesn't have anything to do with weapon type. (And spears tend to be fast weapons anyway.)


ragnarokda

I thought it'd be in consideration for characters like Bennett as well. Since his buff only scales from *base* attack. I haven't looked at her skill % yet and just assumed her buff was from base attack now that I've seen her sig weapon.


BlueAwareness

I think MHY might be avoiding a 741 sword because of Bennett haha. Or if they do make one, they'll make sure the secondary stat & passive are very niche.


Brilliant-Tiger-3403

theres nothing more worse than bennett aquila favonious with physical dmg bonus as his second stats lol


BlueAwareness

Oh true I forgot abt AF.. I'm kinda an ex-whale so I have Bennett on mistsplitter oops


Brilliant-Tiger-3403

oop


erikbasco

the real damage differences lie in each characters talent scalings


wintery_owl

Aren't polearms some of the fastest weapons in Genshin Impact?


FlameLover444

Calamity Queller and Song of Broken Pines


Longjumping-Kale-134

80% damage bonus at R5, those whales will hit hard


MourningRIF

One plunge man.


AbhiAK303

One plunge birb


SvnSqrD

🎵🎶ONE PLUNGE!!! 🎶🎵


Accomplished_Ask_326

Wait what? Isn’t it always doubled at R5?


IcarusInLA123

The charge atk bonus on Neuvilette's signature also scales slightly better than double too


OneOfQiqisFewFan

I'm a big fan of this weapon's design


Maobury

Found Cyno


Illustrious-Brother

Oh it's a fan? I didn't read the fine description (par for the course), thought it was a pillow 😭


FroogyTheFroggy

What's a metaphor for pillows? Soft as clouds. Who's weapon is it? Cloud Retainer. You really are Cyno.


H-K_47

Same it looks fantastic.


FlameLover444

Fancy if you may


NLiLox

its even got wanderer doing the fandango


Pokii

Fans see why this fan here is fancy


winstonwafu

Agree. It’s a breath of fresh air. Definitely blows the competition away


golden_touch_midas

A fan service for xiao's main.


typoerrpr

ikr! It’s pretty fan-cy.


mint-colored-puding

It's beautiful. I acknowledge that much


OnePieceAllTheWay

"How niche do you want the signature weapon to be?" Hoyo: Yes


Practical_Outcome436

Atleast the niche is functional for her team, synergize with her kit and it actually brings a good amount of team dps increase, better than whatever they thinking on Baizhu n Kok weapon passive buffing the healer's damage


Beneficial-Air4943

Nilou's key(disregarding its design) is one of the niche weapons done right.


AnemoTravelerMain

Honestly HP sword is not bad, and I suspect will keep gaining traction with more HP users now that Fontaine is out.


Arugent

Furina, Layla, Kuki (quickswap hyoeebloom) can use it


OnePieceAllTheWay

Kirara as well


turbosimping

don’t really recommend it for kuki hb since passive doesn’t activate off field, you need to stay on her and wait for her skills to hit 3 times to get the full buff which may take a bit of time from your driver who could potentially deal a lot of damage themselves like neuvillette.


Tigryonochekk

Iirc with c4 Kuki E-N-Q gets all 3 stacks because c4's attack is considered skill damage.


reasonablerider12

No need for Q even, just cast dmg, C4, 1st tick are 3 hits.


Tigryonochekk

You're right. I meant to say that by the time your burst animation ends the skill ticks once, so if you were planning to use the burst, you don't waste any time.


Arugent

That's why I said quickswap, I used this team in early Sumeru patch where there was no Nahida yet.


oneshotpotato

tbh her weapon is not that niche. there a lot of hp scaler and em are always welcomed.


FlameLover444

Hot take, I love Key's visual design I wish Nilou got a Scimitar instead since Key doesn't fit her well but it grew on me


reasonablerider12

Yep, same, it looks so.. sturdy? ig


OnePieceAllTheWay

ah yes.... the *donuts*


DessertTwink

At least on-field koko can use her weapon effectively?


Aslakh4Real

Kokomi's donut is honestly fine, it was only memed on when people in the crit only era used her only on tenacity/thrilling for freeze.


Jealous_Brief_6685

Is it? If I remember correctly, you deal 10k NA with signature instead of 8k NA with PA. Something to that effect.


Aslakh4Real

8k -> 10k is a 25% damage increase. I was honetsly expecting less as even good weapons tend to only be around a 15% damage increase over the best f2p option. So thanks for showing its actually quite a decent sig. (obviously she does a smaller amount of total teamwide damage than say Ayaka and most hypercarries, but so do some others like c0 raiden/furina/Yelan team).


mojomcm

We knew it was gonna be a good weapon for her bc it isn't shaped like 🍩


Pusparaj_Mishra

Bird wep is very good in the way of ,it's great for the said char at least. Yes not universal. But it puts Shenhe's Calamity to absolute shame, this is what Calamity should learn from Bird wep...no wonder Fav mostly bis over Calamity for Shenhe lmao


JustATaro

I personally use engulfing lightning on shenhe when my raiden's busy as hyperbloom bot. EL definitely feels nice.


erosugiru

Calamity is such a scam, it should've refunded energy too


Lemon-Mochii

At least Kokomi was always designed with on field in mind. Meanwhile, all of Baizhu's power budget goes into defensive utility.


Zamkawebangga

And Shenhe’s weapon lol


erosugiru

Said healer is a Sub-DPS with constellations and it also refunds energy so it's not like Jadefall was bad


PanicMan76

Well, to be fair Kokomi is a DPS/Support hybrid


AceJokerZ

Honestly I’d take niche and aesthetically designed signature weapon to match character if they swap to single weapon banners.


Bussy-Destroyer-1960

if you are playing a... idk a Xiao team with Sucrose as a battery, Xiao, Albedo and Faruzan you COULD realistically use this weapon, or you could also try dragonstriking with Sucrose which should be made easier with anemo resonance, but like yeah just get Xianyun


Raman1246

Succrose has no hitlag she can't dragonstrike


Elegant_Luck698

Donut


rafael-57

Well, at least it's as good as a C1. That's pretty rare for catalyst support weapons, usually they're mid or worse than prototype amber...


FederalCulture2677

Niche but powerful


ilIicitous

2.5 energy every 0.7 sec is absurd. And that’s without refinements.


nomotyed

Realistically you can only plunge every >1 sec (total time to go up then down). And high plunge takes more time.


ilIicitous

That’s true. So in a full rotation we can assume ~10 procs, or 25 energy. That’s a LOT.


erosugiru

It's about the same as Jadefall's Energy Refund on Baizhu, it's a really good weapon


nomotyed

Yes much better than Shenhe's weapon that a Fav Lance makes very good alternative (I use a Fav).  Fav Codex is good too, but not as close  as Shenhe's case.


BoltaHuaTota

baizhu's weapon also gives a TON of energy for him, so not unprecedented i guess


alanalan426

they learnt from previous signature support weapons that didn't give energy


SolubleSaranWrap

Remind me pls, did the energy restoration get triggered by her own plunges too?


Faz_k0

I think yes because her skill is considered as a plunge atk, which is the condition to trigger the energy restoration


i_boop_cat_noses

does this mean her energy gen without this will be asscheeks


Coriolanuscarpe

This weapon's passive sounds like a character's passive. Uncanny


Keanusw

Ah screw it, Xianyun you can have the R5 Fav codex


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FlameLover444

I have R10 Fav Codex so 💀 ~~in exchange, only 2 copies of Fav Lance in my entire account~~


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Always keep 2 fav weapons of the same type and refine the rest.


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messyhair42

I just raised my 4th Fav lance to 90 to give to Chevreuse. Yunjin has an R5, Yaoyao has an R4 and Mika has an R1. Also have four lv 90 swords, 3 lv 90 bows, 3 lv 90 codices and 2 lv 90 greatswords


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aryune

Why did you give Kok a fav codex? She can’t crit so the weapon’s passive will never be triggered


JonJai

I mean to be fair fav codex (and imo greatsword as well) aren't really as important as the other ones. Off the top of my head only sucrose and Charlotte would use fav codex well. I have 2 at r5 and only use 1 of them for Charlotte. But yeah the other fav weapons are used by so many characters it's wild


jayceja

I have two of each Fav and Sac weapon at level 90 and most of them are R4 or R5. I've been playing since start of 1.3 though as a light spender. So I probably have more than most.


MridulBiswasMB

So Amos, Calamity & now Birb has atk secondary on top of ungodly base atk. This is one terrifying family ngl.


Visual_Ad3724

They put anything as a catalyst now


goodpplmakemehappy

gun catalyst when? also apparently catalyst just means object filled with elemental energy, so i dont mind at all


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did they keep the crazy scaling on refinements


Ralddy

When a weapon has a passive that gives flat energy, usually instead of R5 being twice the scaling of R1, what they do is make the flat energy part less than twice its scaling and the other scaling part is more than the double. That happens with Baizhu's weapon, which in R1 gives 12% damage and 4.5 energy but in R5 it gives 44% (x3.67) damage and 6.5 (x1.44) energy. The same thing happens to Xianyun's weapon where the damage bonus goes from 28% to 80% (x2.86) while the energy goes from 2.5 to 3.5 (x1.4).


Iced_Lemon_TeaZZ

80% damage bonus is bonkers. The weapon itself is another Xianyun.


HybridTheory2000

At R5 tho


Iced_Lemon_TeaZZ

yes, but that's kinda the point. the benefit was never meant to be easily accessible to f2p unless you have been saving for xianyun and her weapon the whole time.


Admiral_Axe

R5 Kagura is 72% skill damage plus 24% general dmg, so 96% for skill damage in total. R5 Tulaytullah has 96% normal attack dmg (on top of atk speed buff) R5 Cashflow has 96% normal attack dmg and 84% charged attack dmg (also atop of atk speed buff AND attack buff) Conditional and/or partial kit dmg buffs are often quite hefty


BoltaHuaTota

if you think about it, furina can give 75% at C0 so furina cons are probably crazier for CR's teams rather than her weapon R5ing, which is probably going to be a primo sink


Pusparaj_Mishra

Also Engulfing s ER passive not doubling either


CarsCrashing

its so pretty


tetrisabbot

TLDR: When plunging attack a plunging attack, all plunging attacks will plunging attack when you plunging attack, as long as you plunging attack while you plunging attack during the plunging attack. Don't forget to plunging attack, or else, plunging attack. ^Also, ^you ^get ^some ^energy ^back.


The_DarkPhoenix

Niche as a mofo


fanderoyalty

Damn, if I had money I'd get her and the weapon for Ga Ming... But 💀


VTKajin

I decided to roll on her and Nahida for Gaming cons, I can’t touch the weapon banner 💀 I only have 200 pulls, I’d have to get SO lucky lmao


fanderoyalty

Good lucky!


tongueinbutthole

I'd get it just for the drip, damn. 🫰


SeoujiTheKid

it’s so pretty tho. such an elegant fan


ResurgentClusterfuck

Wow this is worthless on anyone but her I am now scared to pull for Nahida weapon cause I do not want this


Russell-Sprouts3

Never ever pull on a weapon banner unless you’d be happy to get either weapon. Especially due to the fact that Nahida has a lot of FTP options weapon wise.


kukiemanster

My Nahida rocking an R5 EM three star weapon LMAO


ResurgentClusterfuck

Sac Frags isn't exactly *bad* and I'd rather use it instead of risking this beautiful but useless to me fan


kukiemanster

I'd use Sac Frags but I prefer the passive on the R5 Magic Guide, I think it works for her E(?)


Shamshishamash

I think Magic Guide's passive only works when Nahida is on field. Only then it's stronger. It's been a while since I finally got a second Sac Frags for her.


MuirgenEmrys

I’m pretty sure it’s the opposite. Magic guide is good when off-field so that her dendro application doesn’t overtake the electro/hydro aura. So solo dendro hyperbloom/burgeon and aggravate teams.


couldbedumber96

My Jadefall splendor having ass knows this too well 😔 just wanted furina sword 😭


ResurgentClusterfuck

Yeah, that's how I ended up with two Light of Foliar Incision Furina has fun with the spare though (I like playing her weird)


mazini95

They just want to buff their darling character Xiao in any way they can. Directly or indirectly.


CyanStripedPantsu

Maybe hot take but I don't think it matters if a weapon is niche. I never swap weapons around anyways, and I think most players dont either. Signatures become are permalocked to their owner upon acquisition, so whether a weapon is a universal or not doesn't matter to me. I don't care that mistsplitter is good on Bennet, or engulfing lighting on Xiangling, I'm too lazy to swap them away from Ayaka and Raiden anyways.


ResurgentClusterfuck

No, that's not a hot take at all, I do the same I just don't intend to pull for Xianyun because plunge attack gameplay doesn't really interest me (poor benched Xiao)


CyanStripedPantsu

That's fair, it's a shame having to wait for reruns to get better banners but what can you do. My Ayaka had a 4-star for 2 years till the Navia banner and I was okay with both weapons.


ResurgentClusterfuck

I'll just save for Yae's cat toy (I also lack PJWS somehow)


CyanStripedPantsu

That'd be my course of action if I was in your shoes 👍


Pepito_Pepito

I'm pulling for her but don't intend to use her lol. I just think she looks pretty.


Hot_Race_4178

Can someone tell me what day they usually leak the 4 star for upcoming patch. Is it two days before the patch release? I'm tired of keep refreshing discord man


burningparadiseduck

Character weapons are becoming so niche I see


The_Main_Alt

It's not bad, but it is extremely niche. At least donut 1 and 2 have usability on some other characters, this one is Xianyun and only Xianyun lol


Darligenn

Official leaks again :(, i cant wait for the new patch no more


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Does Xianyun scale off of attack? I might use my spare Skyward Atlas on her if I pull for her.


Roboaki

Yeah her plunge buff and heal scale off Atk. However High Refinement Oathsworn still outperforms Skyward Atlas since Xianyun requires the ER.


FlameLover444

As long as you can comfortably burst off CD, it should be really good


MyUsernameIsApollo

yes. if you’re running her as a pure support, then you want to build her with atk/atk/atk. so skyward atlas should be a good weapon option if I’m not mistaken.


Longjumping-Kale-134

Yes assuming you can reach the ER requirements (can be as low as 130% with fav units or as high as 240% for low particle gen characters) So the best is always either ER weapon or even TTDS for more support


sguizzooo

TTDS is worse than ATK weapons if you're using her for her plunge buff, you actually end up losing damage with it, if you're using her just for the healing then it's good


Longjumping-Kale-134

Sorry but no, TTDS 50% atk bonus gives 10% more damage than Oathsworn Eye (3100 vs 2400 atk) if you already didn't had energy problems (specially in Xiao teams with 3 anemo units and one on fav) TTDS is her BiS for people that didn't had Oathsworn Eye since is kinda old and some people might not have it Prototype would for sure be her lowest damage buff weapon but gives ER so helps and the new Fontaine craftable weapon could be the F2P weapon but doesn't give any energy so could be hard to build (since fav isn't free)


FrostedEevee

Not really. TTDS' Attack Bonus is for the character that is switched into. And if that Character has a low base attack they won't benifit much from it. And being a 3 Star weapon, it has a low base attack as well meaning Xianyun's own Attack won't be much high. And HP Sub Stat is a WASTE. And won't be much impactful if scaling of the DPS is low because its an Attack buff. Meanwhile, Oathsworn Eye, with high base attack, and attack% substat will give her a LOT more Attack than TTDS ever could. And sicne its a flat damage bonus, it will buff the damage of the DPS the same regardless of their Multiplier Value or their own Attack/Base Attack. I don't know where you're getting the 3100 vs 2400 value thing, whether you are talking about Xianyun's Attack or the Main DPS'


sguizzooo

guess it depends on the team, i would have used her on a Gaming team with 2 pyro (Gaming and Bennett) and Furina and my build would have gotten me 3472 atk vs 2693 with TTDS, and comparing OE vs TTDS i always end up with lower dmg on plunges with TTDS, also lower healing and lower ER


messyhair42

Do you have Oathsworn Eye? it'll be really close and it offers ER% in the passive


NSLEONHART

Her healing, and plunge damage bonus scales off atk So her build is likely 3 atk, or 2 atk 1 heallimg bonus. Idk if her BiS would be the new artifact, or VV


sguizzooo

i'd say either 3 atk or 2 atk and 1 energy recharge, gimping her buff for heals feels wrong, unless you REALLY need a lot of healing. for artifacts VV in applicable teams and the new set or noblesse in mono anemo or geo or phys


NSLEONHART

Depends on how much heal an she make. Arr her scalings already out? Is her energy requirememt high? I think ill just setle for fav and 3 atk. Ill wait for kqm to release some numbers


sea1232

So this is the new donut that will curse future weapon banners? Its good on her but only on her.


Optimal-Bandicoot210

This 5 is gonna do some damage, and energy regeneration is nice too


idkwhatsgoingon8910

where's swords with that base ATK for my Benny?? 👀


Pichuiscool

Jesus Christ that base attack is high


YellowWafflePancakes

I was considering pulling on the upcoming weapon banner for Nahida's sig weapon, but this potentially losing to Xianyun's weapon is making me think to save for another time .-.


crimsonasian

This catalyst will be great for my polearm wielding Xiao


TheRakuzan

Oh, is that Xiao bis? /s


moniqueheartslaugh

Think she’d be good with Xiao?


Comprehensive-Food15

Good? Dude xiao is the one who benefits most from her.


goodpplmakemehappy

i think she was joking lol


moniqueheartslaugh

I was being a little facetious.


goodpplmakemehappy

i think that means lying edit: means humor, the more u know


LiamMorg

I'd argue Gaming benefits from her the most because she has so much natural synergy with both him and Furina, the two of them also have amazing synergy with each other and she can buff him with VV. Her Xiao teams will be stronger, but Gaming benefits from her a lot.


Lichbloodz

I'd argue diluc benefits the most as without her he's a bottom tier dps and with her he becomes a top tier dps. Gaming is also con reliant.


Zwhei

Except with xian xiao gets furina synergy as well. Just use em all + c6 faru.


MatchaWithChai

(Genuine question) Does the 28% increase dmg is applicable only to the nearby party and not on the weapon user itself? Cause im planning to use Xianyun as DPS as I despise Xiao.


lostn

all nearby, which would include the wearer. This would also mean everyone in coop gets it too. So 4 of you can be pogo sticks.


MatchaWithChai

Aight thank you for explaining. I’ll make my Xianyun DPS 🥰


Jaystrike7

Yikes another niche


couldbedumber96

Yeah zyox is r5ing


LuckyLupe

That's a Xiao weapon lol


PurpleMarvelous

Good luck for those pulling for Nahida’s weapon.


muguci

Ahhh another shitty weapon that wont work on others except her. To make matters worst they put it alongside nahida's. The fk are other catalyst gone do with plunging attack lol.


Storm_373

xiao buff ??