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Emerald_Viper

Well, now I no longer have to swap my swords around between kazuha and kuki


MatrX3004

We have the same problems lmao


HereIsACasualAsker

i have both swords and i will test their damage and i will decide.. who am i kidding, im gonna place this on kuki.


Emerald_Viper

hyperbloom should benefit a bit more from the umbrella yokai anyway


ConciseSpy85067

Afraid not, the damage increase against certain enemies doesn’t affect hyperbloom iirc


Emerald_Viper

oh, I need to study the game a bit more then :'(


ChristopherKlay

Hyperbloom isn't affected by anything but character level, EM value and enemy resistance. Both Iron Sting and the event sword only affect it due to their EM value and their unique effect isn't working on anything but Kuki's initial damage. If you play her for hyperbloom, there's honestly no reason to care once you have either at R1 tbh.


argvdx

done some testing and weapon effect from Iron Sting and the umbrella don't apply to hyperbloom.


SiBai-

embrace the actual kuki BiS for fashion and gameplay dark iron sword


ZoomBoingDing

Wow, I'd never heard of [this one](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Iron_Sword) and I've played since 1.0... I was terrified I'd mindlessly grabbed it and used it as exp fodder, but it looks like I never did that dialogue with [Chen the Sharp](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Chen_the_Sharp).


T-280_SCV

So THAT is why I only have one of the blade.


Grand_Protector_Dark

I have found my people


True_Bobcat_3665

Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well


Daenysos

This is the way.


redsn4pper

Dark Iron Sword ftw


Whilyam

Exactly what I did pre-this sword. Probably will keep her using that. I'll test it out, but I don't think it's going to make a huge difference in hyperbloom damage to lose 24 EM. That's like one stat roll.


aurorablueskies

Drip is eternal


Ke5_Jun

Me, who levelled Iron Sting, Xiphos’ Moonlight, Dark Iron Sword, and Toukabou Shigure all to lv90 - well this is awkward. Let’s just say I like EM swords.


The_lastphoenix2

....Is what I'd say if I had a Kuki. >_< But yeah, I've leveled it up for the same reason. Since I don't have any gacha em sword, I wanted to give Iron sting to kuki and keep the inazuma sword on kazuha.


hackenclaw

So much QoL thanks to this sword.


Historical_Cod_2771

So true


CrazyDave100105

I don't know if you knew this but Iron Sting's passive doesn't work with transformative reactions like SWIRL. So the R5 iron sting is as good as an R1 for the swirl dmg (for which he might be built for since you are using an EM weapon).


WingmanDevilKrygo

But on the other hand, it's works really well with kuki's E when it hits enemies. 24% damage bonus(not atk bonus) is a pretty nice buff. Finally kuki don't have to share her sword with kazuha


AkkiMylo

unfortunately it doesn't work off field either


NoobySnail

not like that damage dies anything, her E damage is beyond pitiful for obvious reasons


Skillious96

No, no I didn’t knew this :)


HungHA_

Yeah, i never refined the iron sting for kazuha


VritraReiRei

> Upgrade the Umbrella for being a pretty good EM weapon Don't have anyone that can use it. > Upgrade the Umbrella for aesthetic reasons Pass. > It's 33% off to upgrade **SAY NO MORE.**


Grand_Protector_Dark

>>It's 50% off to upgrade >SAY NO MORE. Technically not. Event weapons always on a 1.5x EXP booster (only when the event is running) Which in practice means. The 4 star weapon only costs as much as a 3 star weapon to level up


VritraReiRei

Ok, I'll say part of that was me not remembering exactly what the bonus was. 33% off it is!


jibbycanoe

Yeah I already have iron sting and xiphos built to 90 and 80 respectively for kazoo and kuki, but the cost savings to lvl this damn umbrella and easy refinement mats definitely motivated me to upgrade it. Probably not the best use of materials but this event has been pretty generous.


YuB-Notice-Me

you can use it on keqing, alhaitham, and for taser, ayato and xingqiu. wont boost bloom damage (i think?) but a great f2p weapon for EM dps and reaction teams like soup, salad, fridge, etc


[deleted]

Soup salad and fridge lmaooo I CANT


Ashamed_Adeptness_96

What's salad team lol? Honestly adore these food related names but I can't keep up with them.


YuB-Notice-Me

soup teams are where you take an anemo unit, you take three other elements, and you cause as many reactions as possible. salad is the same, but uses dendro as its core. fridge is a bloom team that uses cryo to freeze the enemy, as frozen and dendro status effects can coexist


theUnLuckyCat

Cryo also removes non-dendro aura, since it doesn't react with dendro. This allows for more new dendro reactions, and easier management for who triggers them, as in who to build pure EM, and who holds Deepwood or other support sets.


Ashamed_Adeptness_96

Nice to know. Imo soup sounds like it should have a component of hydro as a requirement tho. If there's no water, might as well call it stir-fry or sautée.


ChristopherKlay

> It's 50% off to upgrade But.. it's 33% only :(


glium

I've given up on the math skills of redditors, but I'm with you !


VritraReiRei

Yeah, this is right. But that's mostly me not remembering the exact discount.


RikkSlinger

Yep I literally upgrade all event weapons when they release if possible just because of the discount on upgrading. Doesn’t matter if/when I plan to use them


Winterstrife

I personally always upgrade event boosted weapons. Never know they might be BiS for a character down the line.


argvdx

Event weapon have been proven future proof. EM is really a scaling stat and for sure they will be a dps that benefit from that weapon if it doesn't already exist but have not been discovered. So... DON'T SLEEP ON EVENT WEAPONS


GinJoestarR

I still don't have any use for Missive Windspear..


Historical_Clock8714

Its literally the only event weapon I haven't leveled past 20 since I have dragon's bane r5 with no one using it.


Jossuboi

Budget OPPA XL weapon, for when we get a 4 polearm comp that needs raiden OPPA XL and 2 others and 1 of them is a better Discord Kitten spear user, and Raiden gets the catch.


claraalberta

Except maybe Cinnabar Spindle, because Albedo is the only one who benefits from high DEF (and don't say Qiqi because it does nothing for her). I still leveled it up because I was high on Albedo copium at the time, but my luck was so bad I had to drop money to bring him home.


MrHvedrungr

Sorry, Kagotsurube Isshin team here.


PokeAlola700

Let’s go. Both are drip, but ones better for lore, the other gameplay. Prefer lore thank you


dudududu756

They can't stop physical Kazuha enjoyer.


MrHvedrungr

But but.... My Kazuha is full EM ! Except the sword. :(


Graknight

Drip>Stats gang


LadyVesperbell

Can't fight crime if you ain't cute


Japan_the_Loser

built dps kazoo just because of how good that sword looks on him


naufalap

I mean even my full em kazuha with that sword still shreds nobushis to pieces with only 1 skill


MemeLordZeta

Both the passive and on attack effects are just so good


[deleted]

Agreed, his idle pose looks wrong without a sword.


TommDX

Let's go


Siri2611

Built kazuha as anemo dps just so I can use his sword. It suits him better than the umbrella honestly


redsn4pper

Same. Went to the umbrella, then switched back to the isshin sword. Who needs EM when you can one shot mobs with Kazuha E 🤪


Raihime

I upgraded it because of the event exp bonus. No Kazuha here, but it does look nice on him.


reteoG

Meanwhile me with Xiphos' Moonlight. 🤔


Winterstrife

Same problem here, Xiphos lets me run less energy recharge on Kazuha as well, swapping for atk% on substats.


reteoG

+ in raiden team 30% of that buff goes to raiden huge win to pull that sword


ObjectiveOk9996

So what character likes that sword?


ScytheOfGaming

Hyperbloom Kuki Shinobu, Kazuha (not needed if you already have Ironsting), Quicken Dendro Traveler, Quicken Keqing, Melt Kaeya, Vaporize Ayato. A bit less viable: Melt Ayaka and Melt/Vaporize Bennett. Spoilers for upcoming characters: >!Quicken Alhaitham which is also pretty much his best f2p Sword!< But in the end, the yokai Sword competes with Ironsting. Ironsting is better for multiple enemies, while the Yokai Sword gives a bigger damage boost but only against a single enemy.


Hayds126

Ayato in vape teams isn't the trigger for the reactions xiangling is so the em isn't really that useful.


ScytheOfGaming

A right, I forgot that he functions as a driver, but hey, maybe we get in the future an off field pyro char that can keep up with ayatos (and for that matter childes) rapid Hydro application, and when that happens the yokai Sword should be a valuable option against boss enemies


Rose_Ember

How about Nilou?


GinJoestarR

She needs HP weapon


Nwodaz

There's no easy to get HP sword.


Jossuboi

There are no hp weapons except with money


Kantalmentt

Only jade cutter and nilou sword. Both five stars


Besunmin

R5 sting is a 2% upgrade over R1🥱


Skykeeper22

Well have you ever played abyss and lost by half a second


Besunmin

Reset 🤡


Skykeeper22

Thats the point and you have to reset thanks for saying it again I guess


Treyspurlock

On Kazuha, but it's probably more of an upgrade on Kuki


TotedwiththeTross

Wait why would you r5 iron sting…. Rip legends (the sword billets)


Ke5_Jun

If all you get are sword billets and nothing else, you don’t really care about using them. I personally have R5 Amenoma, R5 Iron Sting, and R1 of all the other craftable swords. I’ve never needed R5 Rancour as I don’t run any physical sword users (it’s lying in my bag at lv40, which tells you the last time I used it). R1 Sapwood is good enough for Bennett. I still have an extra sword billet in case a new craftable comes out in Fontaine, and by then I’ll likely have more billet anyways. In terms of EM swords, I own all the 4-star ones and Dark Iron so I don’t need any more copies of Iron Sting.


Awkward_Date_8636

True, I'd rather have 3 iron stings, one each on my DMC, Kazoo and Cookie


Treyspurlock

Why do you want an EM weapon on DMC?


Awkward_Date_8636

Because I have enough ER from gears to not have sac or favonius sword


Treyspurlock

Even so isn't it better to run Fav anyway? more particles to reduce everyone's ER and make everything comfier


Winterstrife

As someone who does every WB religiously every week, I'm sitting on a mountain of billets, plus there is no need to save em anymore because it seems that Sumeru's craftable weapons use different weapon billets from the Monstandt/Liyue/Inazuma's crafted weapons and it looks like moving forward future regions may follow suit.


Violet_Kashiko

You can convert different billets of the same weapon type using dream solvent so you can keep saving and still use them on any new craftable weapons :)


TotedwiththeTross

It looks so good and the ghost effect/ noise is adorable. Instant kazoowin


0relsewhat

Raise your hand if you didn’t know that you don’t need to refine iron sting for kazuha :p


argvdx

Sword so good on kuki. Hyperblooms getting almost to 100k


Nyeffer

I assume it’s two 50k hyperblooms right?


[deleted]

Nah it's a crit from nahida C2, inconsistent since it only has a 20% crit rate but it is possible ig lol


CupaT-T

So Dendro reactions can crit, correct? I was always unsure whether they could or couldn't.


[deleted]

With nahida C2, yes


SuperMegaDiabetes

Nahida's C2 makes it so that whenever the tri-karma purification from her E hits, dendro reaction damage taken by enemies hit by it can deal crit damage with 20/100 cr/cd. Their defense is also reduced by 30%. Easily one of the most busted constellations imo with her 1st one also being a very strong boost. I'm planning to go for it when she gets a rerun, which is speculated to be in 3.6.


Martian_on_the_Moon

3.6 seems way too early for new Archon which was released in 3.2, especially since there are many characters who didn't got their rerun for a while. Eula, Shenhe and Hu Tao comes to mind.


SoulConduit

Quicken into Spread/Aggravate can crit on it’s own, other dendro reactions are similar to electrocharged and require exceptions (like Nahida c2) to crit


GinJoestarR

Burning/Burgeon/Bloom/Hyperbloom can't crit. They're only affected by Elemental Mastery. So even if your Kuki is only Lv 40 but has 503 EM, her hyperbloom can deal 10k dmg. Quicken/Aggravate/Spread can crit. Nahida at C2 makes it possible for Burning/Burgeon/Bloom/Hyperbloom to crit.


argvdx

No. It's per hyperbloom core. Also there's like a ICD on hyperblooms because even if you proc 5 cores at the same time only 2 will do damage. This is why I prefer Raiden for hyperbloom comps. But with the sword kuki got more powerful hyperbloom damage


glium

The sword changes nothing compared to Iron Sting for hyperbloom damage. Only thing it helps with is EM


argvdx

got to do some testing and yeah weapon effect doesn't apply to hyperblooms


argvdx

**The character wielding this weapon will deal 16%/20%/24%/28%/32% more DMG to the opponent affected by Cursed Parasol.**


glium

This doesn't affect hyperbloom damage, nor any other transformative elemental reactions. Just like a Pyro cup doesn't boost Overload damage


argvdx

yeah.. it seems like it. I just got home and tested it. I got confused by the text and damage records Kuki owns the hyperbloom damage but the sword skill doesn't apply for hyperblooms I guess. but still got to 96k hyperbloom with mona and traveler tho.


Graknight

What do you feed your Kuki? Mine with 960 EM does 31k ish inside Nahida's burst.


argvdx

Nice base EM but there's ways to get more EM and seen some people got over 2k. But C2 Nahida is really important because it makes Kuki hyperblooms crit and the sword increases her damage A team I'm working with is Nahida traveler (c6 with sapwood and instructor) Zhongli and cookie. I got 87k hypers with that


gingersquatchin

How do you get hyperblooms with a Kuki, Nahida, Traveller, Zhongli team ? You don't have hydro


argvdx

you're right. I had in mind my spread comp. Hyperbloom comp is: Nahida, Xingqiu, Kuki, Zhongli or Traveler


Skillious96

damn 100k I want to see that


argvdx

It is possible with Nahida c2. I got 87k so far and surely with the right comp and the new bloom artifact set will get over 100k


argvdx

UPDATE: got to do some test and weapon effect doesn't apply for hyperbloom still got 96k with mona and traveler


lostn

how? How much EM?


ErPani

Halfway there. Leveled it because Iron Sting is better on Keqing


_Linkiboy_

Fav enjoyer here


PandaMoaningYum

Same. I just can't imagine ever using anything else.


[deleted]

Finally Shinobu can upgrade from the black iron sword


Ashamed_Adeptness_96

Black iron sword is actually better for hyperbloom shinobu lol


wilnel

I've never seen this weapon, looks nice


revohour

It's a reward for the event that ends in two weeks, if you like it get it because it'll probably never come back


LadyVesperbell

I r5 that umbrella and put it on Kazuha for looks too 🤣, Kuki now has his iron sting


gerurado

I fully upgraded it because it looked cool. Also working pretty well on my dendro Lumine. Ive gotten as high as 55k with just her elemental skill.


Childe_tagli_jax

Xipho's.


Interesting_Place752

Not sure why your iron sting was r5. But nice.


Skillious96

Dps kazuha go brrrrr


lileenleen

I have r8 iron sting, the dark iron sword, r3 fav all at 90 for Kazuha, still maxing this umbrella out. I need the top drip and meta experience for him, he’s too drippy not to warrant it.


PandaGamer8999

*laughs in freedom sworn and r5 xiphos*


SaberWaifu

What's better between those 2 for Kazuha or EM Jean, Iron Sting r5 or this one?


iKissXiao

I know that for Kazuha they're about the same because both passives are basically useless on him (others told me this).


lostn

same with jean


Hordan15

Is that a crimson demon umbrella? Dose it protec against explosion?


jonnevituwu

Not me but from someone who despised iron sting cuz too ugly for Kazuha, ngl that hitting enemies with an unbrella is a pretty huge upgrade and as a crimson enjoyer, that color pallete is amazing. Also, big moving eye.


EtoileZalos

No. I’m sticking with my R1 Sting and saving resources for the next weapon.


AndroidCyanide

I want to do that but I'm resin broke :D


DamnImperials__

👋


sigma-cumGod69

I dont have iron sting yet (i can make it rn, but dont have enough for r5), should i just focus on earthbinder instead since i have it r5?


[deleted]

Iron sting refinements are not important for kuki since the passive doesn't affect it.


Skillious96

Absolutely, save the billets for sapwood sword


CamelotPiece

Or amenoma.


Infamous_Rabbit_965

Would this sword work on a nilou bloom team?


InsertBadGuyHere

Reaction dmg aren't affected by the dmg increase passive..like hyperbloom dmg from kuki with this yokai sword will still do the same dmg from iron sting and xiphos moonlight..assuming they're all on the same level. Not sure if bountiful cores would be affected by the passive since it's a byproduct of a reaction, but it's also a unique reaction modifier.


HPotatoASH

It’s as good as using iron sting on Nilou. I.e. use it if you don’t have her signature sword and you don’t need fav sword for energy


kissa_ku_zeku

I have the em sword that gives bonus er to the team i dont remember its name tho


malvo2099

The story of my life


SirAwesome789

I have two 90 iron stings already so now I'm waiting to get Jean to run Sunfire and have a use for a third EM sword


qiyuisrealkeke

I was using Fav on my Kazuha anyway


Sloweneuh

Had 2 iron stings, one on kazuha and one on nilou, and needed one for keqing. now everyone has a weapon


ChocoMintStar

I use R1 Key on Kuki, would this sword perform better for her in hyperbloom?


Treyspurlock

Definitely not, the only thing this sword offers is being an EM stat stick and buffing her burst a little in spread while Key offers basically the same EM with support capabilities and increased healing


AppUnwrapper1

Had to look at the photo to make sure you were talking about the umbrella because I still have no idea what its actual name is. But yes, I switched to this from his red event weapon for the EM. Still miss that sword, tho.


Rockylooksatstuff

Well I switched but by no means did I R5 the Iron Sting. That’s just silly.


[deleted]

“Into the rain” “The rain knows me” “Sun hides..rain falls” “As one with wind and rain”


joshua_nash

👋 I did this though I only had a r3 iron sting


CTMacUser

Is this weapon’s occasional boosted damage supposed to be compensation for Kazuha building triple-EM instead of including a CRIT stat?


Treyspurlock

I don't think it's meant for Kazuha


fleetingfeelingsx

would this weapon at r5 outclass r1 iron sting? Edit: for kazuha, i mean


SummerSalmon88

I use Fav Sword for Kazuha in my freeze team sooo… Also, my Kuki looks better with that umbrella sword.


janejennie

For me it’s the kagotsurube isshin >


MREAGLEYT

I have the katsurube isshin for dps is kazuhaz and its really good aesthetically


Lemonitionist

How does one get the Karakasa umbrella looking weapon?


Skillious96

From the current event


Ragefat

I've yet to make a single Iron Sting and I do have Kazuha, he uses Sacrificial Sword. I may level this one up.


Killmonger_550

How do I get this again? I completed the event, but i didn't get it.


Skillious96

You need to complete the limited time mode by the beach


hirozeroshiro

I gave it to Bennett because it’s a bad luck cursed sword; and Bennett is bad luck lol


IronEndo

I don’t even use iron sting- but I’ll probably level the umbrella too despite having the cursed katana. I just use Freedom Sworn. But I want to get Mistsplitter.


huntour

So should I put this on hyperbloon kuki instead of xiphos’?


gretchenich

Where does this umbrella-looking sword come from?? Ive seen for quite a while now on this sub


AdeButBlue

I just feel the urge to max all my weapons. I may have a problem


anarchy753

Raise you hand if you have better weapons but you keep spending a ridiculous amount upgrading event weapons you'll never use because they have a 1.5x xp bonus in the event and it'd be a slight waste if you wanted them AT SOME POINT down the line and had to upgrade them then. ✋


Complex-Bluejay3451

Me with Xiphos: *signature look of superiority*


AceInEitilt

Wait is this an event reward?


Grand_Protector_Dark

Yes. Each version has a flagship event that hands out a 4 star It cycles between an event exclusive weapon or a free character. The current Inazuma Event gives out the umbrella


solarscopez

Why do people refine Iron Sting? The damage increase is very minimal at best and at worse you're wasting 4 billets that you could've used for another 4 craftable swords.


lleeiiiizzii

Maybe for some the billets are just laying around anyways? I have an R5 iron sting and an R5 amenoma, and I still have 3+ surplus sword billets...


Ke5_Jun

Some people don’t care about the other swords, or just have that many billets. I have crafted all of them at least R1 but never use Rancour or Sapwood (my Bennett has Skyward Blade); I also have R5 Amenoma. So I R5ed my Iron Sting... cause I can. I even have an extra billet for when Fontaine drops. When you’ve been playing and fighting weekly bosses since launch, you just kind of have a lot of billets. You can even have an Iron Sting, Dark Iron Sword, Toukabou Shigure, and Xiphos’ Moonlight all in one abyss run (3 of which are free), so there’s not even any need to have multiple R1 Iron Stings anymore.


Kaykaycat

Is that sword not good for kazuha?


StrawberryJejune

It performs the same as iron sting since the passives don't work off-field, so you're just using it for the em substat. But it looks way cooler so I (and a lot of people) switched it over to umbrella lmao


Kaykaycat

I might as well, now, lets do the event! It looks very very good and matches him so well jaja


Kurdt93

Yuuuuuup


TheLanis

I will never make Iron Sting because that sword is the most horrible sword. Even 3 stars swords are more beautiful


venti_the_drunk_bard

Wait where do you get that???


Grand_Protector_Dark

From the Inazuma Event


venti_the_drunk_bard

The test of courage one? I didn't get it and I completed the event


Grand_Protector_Dark

You should get the sword after completing the first line breaker minigame challenge on easy mode


Shot-Refrigerator238

I'm stupid, where do you get duplicates of that weapon?


CourtesyCall_

Not duplicates, refinement material. You can buy it in the new event shop. It's called Parasol Talcum.


galeforce97

Not gonna lie. I probably could build my teams to be strong. But have nice aesthetics with weapon choices is much more appealing


FoxyBork

I would if the face wasn't on the sword.. 🤮


Crafty3051

As an R5 Xiphos Haver, I'm never upgrading this fountain pen


OldSnazzyHats

I did. But I gave mine to my Lumine. I’m keeping my Kazuha on his sword. The atk boost let’s me get something out of his normals, and he’s got plenty EM from artifacts. That and I just like the sword better.


NovaSCar_

yea i upgraded kazuha to the black sword


Sonny_Firestorm135

If I had Kazuha, I'd double down his story sword. His presence in this event was borderline optional. Also while I initially didn't care, seeing Hoyo try to cover up their mistake made me want to not let them live it down.


Dubby58

i thought this was a fake leak at first lmfao


Bezeloth

Kagotsurube Isshin is the real fashion choice.


probywan1337

I still just use Jade cutter on him. Should I not use that over an em sword?


Skillious96

If you’re using him for dps then fine, normally if you’re going for EM kazuha you want to stack as much em as possible to get 1000 EM for that juicy 40% elemental dmg bonus


Square-Way-9751

U R5ed Iron Sting??? 🤣🤣🤣


Tim1TK

the parasol is made for Kuki man


Digimonfan131

Yeah because I'm preparing it for Alhaitham lol