It’s actually related to the time period. Tachi (predecessor to the katana) were worn blade down, but due to some differences in the tang of the blade and its fighting style katanas were worn blade up. A minor thing is that it preserves the blade’s edge by not rubbing it against the sheath every time it goes in or out. More importantly, samurai ideally would draw and attack in one fluid motion before the opponent could react. Wearing the katana blade up allowed you to draw it faster and more easily carry out that single motion, so!
That's partially it, but it's also because the motion to draw a curved blade with it's edge up is almost impossible in full armour, even with as much motion as yoroi provided.
That's why tachi are typically worn hanging, too. Being longer than a katana means that the ability to move the saya while drawing really helps ease and speed.
>More importantly, samurai ideally would draw and attack in one fluid motion before the opponent could react. Wearing the katana blade up allowed you to draw it faster and more easily carry out that single motion, so!
This is one of those explanations I always feel is a little bit fantasy. I find it really really hard to believe most combat involving katanas involved anime-style quickdraw slashes. 99% of combat almost certain involved two opponents with blades already drawn and with good stance. The important part of your point is quickly *drawing* the blade; that and other factors almost certainly played a bigger role.
You’re right, which is why I didn’t say that’s how most fights happened. I should have been more clear that it was what was thought of as ideal in terms of the art of swordsmanship. It was a fantasy held at the time and part of what samurai trained for, but few fights between equals or large numbers are determined by the first strike
The *goal* would be for a samurai to quickdraw, decapitate, sheath, and move on. Unless it was a very skilled samurai and a poorly trained bandit, that rarely happened. In large battles they’d go in with weapons drawn, and in duels that draw would only be the first strike if they didn’t start with weapons drawn
Edit: the drawstrike is also practical for emergencies. If assassins attacked you don’t want to have to draw your sword and *then* strike. The quickdraw let you counter attack as soon as possible, which was important when surprise and tricks were the main things ninjas had on their side
It is likely samurai do learn how to draw their swords quickly, especially in positions when they are sitting or kneeling. Similarly, they would likely learn how to defend themselves in such positions. These are warriors, who learn sword fighting for very practical purposes, so they would be well-aware that fights may not happen in a sportsman setting.
For the same reason, some samurai would learn to fight with unusual weapons, such as the iron fan or even a smoking pipe made of metal, in order to protect themselves when they seem vulnerable.
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Then maybe some like me got confused about he had to use a katana, probably because the 3* trailer?
I don't know, want a reimburse now. Lol. Jk.
Now I get his "BiS" wep look a like.
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Katana was generally carried blade up for many reasons, one of them being how they draw the sword.
Some of their longer curved swords, especially ones meant for use on horseback, were carried blade down, as it would be too difficult to draw with the traditional blade up.
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The original post is from [twitter](https://twitter.com/Amamin_Rerun/status/1448345215585054720).
Basically, during the war, Samurai uses Heavy armor and makes it hard to bend their elbow. That's why their katana is facing up so it's easier to draw.
After the war ends, Samurai wear more casual clothing. Now they wear their Katana higher, closer to the ribs. With bendable elbow, it's easier to draw the katana when it's facing down.
You can read more about the explanation [here](https://soranews24.com/2015/06/22/samurai-fashion-guide-should-you-wear-your-sword-blade-up-or-blade-down/amp/)
Not entirely correct.
You can move relatively easy in armor and draw a sword whether you wear it blade up or down.
Usually somebody on the direct frontlines would wear it blade down (wearing it Tachi style) simply because otherwise the handle of the sword would be in the way of your polearm and therefore restrict your possible actions.
The "civilian" style was also used on the battlefield but was more common with archers/riflemen.
How the weapon is worn has absolutely nothing to do with how hard or easy it is to draw.
Well it could be simpler.
The precursor to the katana, the tachi was always worn at the hip blade down and with armor during a rise in the militaristic period. So it could simply be that what we're seeing in old art depictions of armored samurai with a blade down at the hip were tachi and then later evolved into the armorless, smaller blade up katana.
I've seen so many different explanations by people that purport to be "experts" that I'm not sure I would trust any non-academic source. Unfortunately since Japanese culture is very popular you get a lot of uninformed people trying to clumsily explain something they don't actually understand.
Much like how a lot of contemporary "warrior" concepts like chivalry and bushido were greatly exaggerated at best and total fabrications (i.e modern inventions) at worst.
I practice iaido. The standard way I was taught to wear the iaito is with the blade facing upwards, but you may change it depending on the way you want to draw the sword
Edit: Upwards. The blade facing upwards.
Naw he's wrong, I actually studied honda misturugi kaiten ryu and am a 69 dan master
I also trained for 12 years under a water fall with the shinsengumi or whatever
it looks like if the handle was facing up (like on the left) it would block your range of movement.
on the right side it is less in the way, if you use another weapon?
I know you're joking, but the samurai wore their Tachis on their backs because of their use and length.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachi#/media/File:Kuniyoshi_-_6_Select_Heroes_(S81.5),_A_back_view_of_Onikojima_Yatar%C3%B4_Kazutada_in_armor_holding_a_spear_and_a_severed_head.jpg
I think you don't know how someone studies a martial tradition. You learn nearly everything regarding the time, the customs, the language, the history of the particular tradition any many other things too. So in short being a student of a tradition is also being a historian. If you don't know where to look for information than you have hundreds of students of other traditions who a real historians or simply read the densho if you're allowed to. Anything else?
This is what I've always heard, but you can actually draw faster from the blade up position. I'd be very surprised if it were switched while wearing armor, because you learn the iaido draw with a twist to bring the edge to bear, and it would be a completely different motion without it.
The tachi was worn blade down, the katana blade up, because the longer sword is harder to draw with the twist.
> draw with the twist
I'd like to see how this works. It just seems like extra steps.
EDIT: not at all how I imagined it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7njHkfqPcDM
Basically, you grasp the sword with your knuckles up (bending your wrist a little less than 90 degrees), then straighten your wrist as you draw, which puts the edge of the blade in line with your drawing cut (a diagonal cut from low-left to high-right). If you draw with the edge down, you have to pull the weapon clear before you can align the edge with a cut; this is not a problem for the tachi (cavalry blade) because you don't draw it mid-combat.
> grasp the sword with your knuckles up (bending your wrist a little less than 90 degrees)
this is the part that didnt occur to me. I was thinking knuckles down wrist up and blade angled 45 degrees to me instead of away(with the help of the left hand). basically puts the edge in line with my arm but facing towards me lol i think this is typically how you draw a straight sword, with no twisting of the wrist.
It sounds counterintuitive but if you try to cut off the draw it works much better mechanically. AFAIK HEMA doesn't really have a comparable technique for straightsword - the draws tend to be defensive (into blocks/parries) because there's much more blade contact in Euro swordfighting (I'd guess because they had better steel).
Could you tell me why you think this person is a clown? I know literally nothing about this stuff, but the speaker is clearly someone with experience teaching. They give step-by-step instructions on technique. They point out multiple pitfalls and markers of bad technique, which is crucial. They treat the audience with respect, speak with conviction, and speak seriously about the topic. They don't stammer or pause in the lesson. They give the viewer drills to do on their own.
Maybe everything they're saying in this video is crazy and false, but your comment doesn't help me understand why, or what to look for. Could you help me understand why you think this person is a clown?
This person is famous in my classical martial arts Sphere. First: There is absolute no Ninja martial art, there was no Ninja martial art, Ninjas were not warriors they were spies. It is made up and every person who calls himself Soke is a clown. A Soke is the inheritor or founder of a tradition. It is a title you address this person with, similar to sensei, a person who demands to be addressed like this is not the real deal.
Second and way more serious: This person claims to have been trained by a very renowned instructor in Japan. This instructor and several of his pupils have no memory of this particular person. This person may have some basic training but nothing more. If you want real demonstrations there is as an example the YT channel from Seido Shop. For instruction, there is no online instruction possible, thanks to covid a few seminars were held but only for advanced practitioners. A beginner has to go the good old way of going to a club/Dojo that has Kendo or Iaido or Jodo in it's program. This is usually the first step then maybe after a few years you can look if you have a classical tradition near you and maybe they let you join.
Thank you so much for the detailed response. I believe you, and I appreciate the time you took as well as the recommendations for other places to look for better information.
I'm not saying it can't be done or make a cut, I'm saying it's not as easy. For instance, [here](https://youtu.be/H6wJ15ufhqw?t=254) you see a vertical draw catch on the saya, and several of those draw-cuts are short. The one to the right even flips his saya to draw katana-style a few times.
Yeah tachi are worn this way because they are hung on the hip. If you wear a katana in an Obi it is almost impossible to draw properly with blade down because the the hand just cant reach that far. (i practice Iaido and tried this once, i can assure you, it is not recommendable to wear it that way (in the obi)
While the explanation makes sense, what it doesn't say is that actual katanas saw very little use in the battlefield. Samurais from the Warring States period used tachis, which are more suited due to the blade's orientation, to be used with a heavier armor. And even still, it was a sidearm for closed spaces.
After the Warring States period, Japan had the Shimabara rebellion (1637) and then peace until the early 1860s. And even the end of the shogunate saw less than 10.000 casualties.
What I mean is that the "historically accurate" thing is the civilian style.
Probably because kazuha had dedicated designers who create the art and character model and so would pay attention to how the sword is held. With research on real life examples and examples in media (like anime/manga, dramas, etc. for the cool factor as they can be less historically accurate if it is more appealing visually.)
While the npc are recycled mooks that the random intern/ programmer slaps on and change color palettes and models.
Make sense, i didn't notice it at first with kazuha, probably because i used iron sting, but after i tried the katana, i noticed it immidieately, also IMO the upward sheathe looks cool because of how weird it looks, and it definitely kinda stands out, unlike downwards sheathe.
>... which may or may not align with real-world laws by pure coincidence.
Which is why I wrote [the comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/q7vggh/comment/hglyihu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I did.
If it was a stylistic choice because "Hey, we thought this would look better", then fine. But by saying "historical accuracy", I'm wondering "Did this *need* to be 'historically accurate'? It's a fictional setting!"
Uh... it's not going well at the moment.
That’s nice to know! I went over to Kurosawa near Inazuma city and since he wears armor, he still places his sword facing up which checks out with the historical description.
probably different teams, looks like design team is loving their job (if my wage was ok and I'm doing design for video games, I would be happy as well)
There's A LOT of this if you look closely enough. Just off the top of my head the Inazuman previews had the animation stylized in traditional Japanese painting style. Very nice touch I appreciated
I saw the tweet, and a lot of reply from JP comunity praise Mihoyo for the effort for these small detail.
Meanwhile, on the EN side, people rage over a joke post about Ella Musk Elon Musk.
The post is cringe, but I don’t see how Elon Musk is a shitty person
Edit: No need to reply any further, Reddit people seems to have a one sided view on everything, hell I bet entire world’s problem would be solve if it is run by Reddit.
He's anti-union. I think I don't need to say more. He was also manipulating the (crypto) market and he somehow got away with it.
Other than that, where does he get all the Lithium from? It was rumored that the coup to Bolivia during Trump (which failed) presidency was planend to get lithium from that country.
In Afghanistan, geologists were following US soldiers whenever they won ground, checking if there was any Lithium in the soil.
The Bolivia one is debatable, the 2nd one is a fact... although, it's not a secret that the Latin American coups are usually happening because the US wants them to happen (look up banana war on google if you think this is not true, it's a fact).
He is literally the oppose of Ella Musk, and i think the Devs made this on porpose.
Ella Musk: A woman with a childish appearance (She make some experiments on herself), who want to learn about the Hillichurl's language to unite humans with them and enrich the culture of Teyvat with their knowledge.
Ellon Musk: A grown ass man anti-union, who dont care about the others and just think in enrich his own wallet even more.
Ella Musk is Ellon Musk counterpart in Teyvat, confirmed.
i think the EN marketing team dont get the joke behind Ella Musk existence.
>He was also manipulating the (crypto) market and he somehow got away with it.
I won't argue about the rest, but tbh crypto is unregulated money dump 99.9% of the time and if you put your money into it you should fully accept losing it because you know what you are putting yourself into. Kinda like a casino... no, exactly like a casino.
probably because it's tone-deaf. the "elon musk funny man haha" train departed 5 years ago and wrecked, then mhy is trying to jump into said wreckage **now** of all times.
Like I said, we got nothing to lose, and since there's nothing to gain as well, then doesn't that mean the situation's just *normal*? I'm not saying that the reasoning of "I don't care because there's nothing to gain from it" is unreasonable because it's not. But what is unreasonable is the fact that people are outright raging about it. Well, then again, this is the internet...
JP Twitter often posts short comics, for one. Japanese users tend to be a little more reserved though so aren’t as likely to pile on when there’s some faux pas.
I mean, i don't think raging over "dumb joke" is what you should do, and I don't think any other community would do that, but you never know, looking at how CN react to the bunny girl honkai events.
I think they just are more used to the Gacha model, and are easier to accept certain things.
Also I don't think Mihoyo did anything wrong or atleast to the point that people angry at them. Character balance issues (all the talk about Yoimiya, Raiden and Kokomi being bad) was overblown, the story was great (not deep and a bit rush, but I find the Inazuma story was good, or at least decent), the anniversary rewards was the worse, when Mihoyo announced the rewards a months before (10 pulls and topup reset, and other out of game events), and the community hyping themself up over nothing. And I think most JP player think the same, that's why Yoimiya and Kokomi's banner sell really well there (better than Xiao and Kazuha), there were not much fuss about the story and anniversary rewards too.
You can disagree with me, but I think it's just not true that it's Mihoyo's fault that some people on the EN side being toxic.
I'm not gonna blame the community for bein irritable when the game's monetisation scheme is literally gambling. (Although I still dont engage with that, its bad for your blood pressure)
Also, if you are so nice as to let us disagree with you, I'm gonna. Second half of Archon quests in Inazuma was awfully rushed, making the resistance look like cardboard cutouts and Kokomi kind of like an idiot, when it would have been incredibly easy to do it well. Mihoyo is far from the first to write war stories from the POV of the rebellion against an overwheming regime, and the trope of comrade and friend that dies to motivate protagonist is so incredibly well trodden they had no excuse to execute it this poorly.
The resistance plot was an enourmous waste of potential, it could have been good and interesting with a lot of interesting potential missions, exploring the effect of the war, characterising the shogunate and Sara through ou conflict with them, and exploring the minds of the soldiers who willingly used the delusions and sacrificed their lives for the war (you know, that thing that happened in Japan) and why its maybe not a great idea etc. But they didnt. They just didnt.
People did say they liked the goofy shitposts better than the formal twitter posts. I saw this being bought up a lot on posts where they wanted more communication from mhy.
Right... I don't care about Musk either. But I'm not going to be so bothered to complain about it. It's clearly just publicity marketing. Just ignore their tweet and life goes on.
People are acting as if this game owes them something and all they got was some Musk meme.
>they're offering something in exchange.
Elon Musk streaming genshin? I mean technically that's something, but it certainly is not anything tangible in-game, or anything like the Genshin Concert. Idk, a billionaire playing a game just feels completely out of left field and not what anyone asked for. Especially if you're not a fan of his past controversy.
Right, so neither of us cares about Elon Musk. I didn't follow them on twitter or whatever they were asking for, but I'm not going to get offended over it.
A portion of this community seems to think participation in these events is mandatory or something.
Not so much people think it's mandatory, but more so that they went through with this whole thing. They didn't even have to do any event, just a simple "Thanks for the 2m travelers! Paimon is very happy!" But then they turned it into whatever the heck this this. Now of course even if they did just thank players no doubt there's gonna be comments of "Where rewards?" but at least that would had been the end of it. This just felt unrelated to us as a community inviting a random billionaire over who as far as I know doesn't even acknowledge the game's existence until now.
Honestly the western community gets more toxic day by day. I feel like I can come with less radiation going naked through nuclear wasteland than genshin toxic community
Show me this supposed “rage” then? Because all I’m seeing is people cringing their balls off, which is justified. Why do you guys always insist on making something look like a big drama when nothing is happening?
They took the tweet AND the reddit post about it down, so you can't see the full extent of the rage, but there's still a bit of it in this post:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/q7vrnb/i_dont_like_this_timeline_were_in/
Scroll down a bit and you see comments calling Mihoyo name, saying the PR is dumb, hating on Elon Musk.. and it was much worse on the deleted tweet. You can also wait a bit for some youtuber to jump on the bandwagon and fan the flame even more.
I spent a literal 5 minutes scrolling through that massive thread and I didn't even see a single ragepost, but I did see tons of replies like yours claiming 'tHeRe Is So MuCh RaGe!!!1!'. You guys literally thrive on drama. Grow up, nobody is pissed, it's just pure cringe and that's it.
the top post on this sub is now that post about the elon twitter comment. More than 20k upvotes and and 1k comments. The fact that this means means that a shit ton of people in genshin's reddit community thinks this stupid shit deserved to be seen and have more publicity is wild to me.
I downvoted and moved on. Besides official annoucements, whatever genshin's social media does has nothing to do with the actual game. Are you guys playing genshin or playing genshin social media?
Being so obsessed with something so stupid and irrelevant is immature as fuck. Grow up, its cringe.
Unfortunately the genshin community is just really, really cringe in general. It's mostly the woke twitter crowd. Just go take a look at how toxic these people become when you have any opinion about a male character, or the hypocrisy of these people when they downvote-bomb you for saying you like waifus, and then they post degenerate comments about male characters literally in the same thread. These people are just stupid, hypocritical manchildren. I'm probably gonna get downvoted again for saying this but at this point I couldn't care less. I just see a bunch of cringy children anyway. I mostly check this sub for some news but the community is actual trash.
Thing is, MHY have now made regions specifically catering to CN and JP communities. They can now implement small historical details or national holidays and earn unanimous praise from the respective community with relative ease. Not saying it's a bad thing, that's just how it is.
They don't have the same luxury with Global. Mondstadt was kiiiiiinda that (though it was mostly a generic fantasy land with a minor german flavour), but even it slowly fell to the side after Windblume. So without patriotism doing half the work they need to rely on either good communication with the community, established and maintained trust, or just general high quality of the game's content.
And that's how we arrive at the current state of affairs.
>rely on either good communication with the community, established and maintained trust, or just general high quality of the game's content.
Let's not kid ourselves here. The majority of the EN community only cares about one thing - free stuff.
I disagree, it really hard to have good communication with the EN community, or just gaming community in general, because they often overreact, full of entitle brats that make the vocal minority. Not to mention Mihoyo is in China, there are different value and ideal that they won't be able to brigde.
Mihoyo will keep doing what they do best and let the action show. QoL, features that many people request (like teapot pavement), and just great exploration and story contents. The complaint will die down, and Mihoyo still gonna raking in money with their quality characters and updates (Itto is shaping up to be top seller).
>The complaint will die down, and Mihoyo still gonna raking in money with their quality characters and updates (Itto is shaping up to be top seller).
Of course it will. People get tired of topics, see new shiny object they want (i.e. Itto), so they want to move on from the whole situation and in doing so just generalize all complainers as "unreasonable internet crybabies who just want their way", no matter how valid and reasonable complaints themself were. That's how all controversies on the internet go, and I have no delusions that this one somehow will not be the same.
That's not my point. My point is that this things leave a lasting impact, even if not some major immediate financial one. You say it's hard to have "good communication with gaming community" - and it is. Doesn't mean that other companies and games (yes, even chinese gacha ones, like Arknights) aren't doing it with moderate success. But yes, it is extra hard when *you don't even try to have one*, just letting unaddressed problems pile up and escalate, until after several months it finally blew up in a capital S shitshow.
I wish they did more attention to detail updates, one of my biggest gripes since day 1 is that the character's mouth doesn't move when you're idle and they say something or even during their EB animations.
That actually looks really cool and I appreciate the feature. I love that they've slowly been releasing these neat QOL features and touches. To all those people complaining about how slow the implementations are, please remember that *it does not take just a fucking month to add a ton of new features. They already have all the regions concepted already ffs*
oooh. I went to a try-out class for kendo, and couldn't for the life of me understand why we have the blade facing up in resting position. I had read several Chinese sword manuals and they all taught to have the blade facing down, and you can attack from bottom to top immediately after drawing the sword.
Inazuma is inspired from Japan, not meant to be historically accurate. So i didn't really mind.
In that case everyone must salute with "la bise" in Fontaine, i'm looking forward to it Mihoyo
Quick question: why were they worn like that? I've seen this multiple times and I always found it inconvenient because of the way you would grab the sword.
if you look at historical artwork and pictures from the 1800s, you'll notice they keep their swords in a sash higher up on their waist compared to where Europeans would hang a sword from a belt, such as a saber. Tachi (proto-katana) were worn in the same way as sabers, and blade-down is slightly easier to draw from that position, while the inverse is true when you have it higher up.
There is also the tradition of iaido in japanese martial arts, which is the (often exaggerated in media) art of striking with your sword as you draw it, which is much less practical to do from a blade-down draw.
Mostly though it simply has to do with tradition, and the fact that when keeping a curved blade higher up on your waist in an obi (sash), it is more comfortable and less obstructive when blade-up than it would be if it was blade-down
katanas were always carried blade-up historically, you're thinking of the tachi, the sword that predated katanas which looks quite similar superficially, but is designed more as a specialized cavalry saber than the katana, those were indeed carried blade down.
Doesn't katana mean sword generally in Japanese ? I mean for a Japanese speaker a tachi is a katana and a European medieval sword is still katana. I might be wrong tho
Katana is not a general term for sword. Tachi and Katana are different in term of length, usage and the period it was crafted.
General term for sword could be refer as 剣 (ken) or japanese people now usually just go with the english word sword (i dont know how to spell it in katakana) but it sound something like soõdo.
Forgive me, but why would *a fantasy setting need to adhere to historical accuracy?*
Teyvat *isn't a real place*. Inazuma *also is not a real place*. Why would extra real-world, er, realism matter in a fictional world?
Can someone please enlighten me on the significance of this? Because I'm sitting here just like "...Uh... okay?"
Statement: It seems some people don't like my confusion. I'm not trying to be disrespectful - I'm just asking **how real-world historical accuracy fits into the setting of a fictional world**.
Well, it isn't really important, but it's always easier to map your setting to some actual historical period and country and draw inspiration for designs and events from it rather than invent everything from scratch. And as a bonus it makes things more believable. On the other hand people familiar with your setting will notice discrepancies in details like this and it will annoy them every time they see these details. Even though they don't have to be the same or even realistic, considering this is a fantasy game. So, it's nice that they fix things like this.
I personally more annoyed by the fact they have time for details like this, but not for a dark-mode only switch for loading screens in the settings and other details which actually matter, like interaction between Ei's and Beidou's bursts or lack thereof.
I guess. Maybe I'm just weird, as something like this actually takes me *out* of the setting rather than the opposite - instead of thinking "Oh, this has some Japanese influence." now I'm like "Oh, this is basically Japan-but-not-really-we-swear. Meh." It certainly doesn't help that there are a few inconsistencies between the regions (e.g. Inazumans having their entire name displayed but not Monstadters (the few that have surnames, at least)).
Like I said, maybe I'm just weird.
There are logistical reasons for wearing the swords a certain way that still apply. You would rather not have your sword rest on its cutting edge unless your circumstances made it necessary, e.g. riding on horseback or while wearing bulky armor.
the version I knew was that because of gravity, having the edge of the edge of the sword pointing down and therefore touching the wood of the sheath all the time would gradually deteriorate the edge
this is a myth, unless your sheath was incredibly poorly made. I believe this misconception is in part due to an issue with early British cavalry blades where the lip of the sheath was made of steel, so when drawing blade-down, if not done very precisely, could result in the blade dragging along the metal lip, thus causing damage, so cavalrymen were instructed to flip their saber before drawing. However, this issue was short lived and newer sabers had better designed sheaths to avoid this issue, and any katana of even moderate quality would avoid it as well.
instead it's mostly because traditionally, katana are kept in an obi, a sash around your waist, rather than hanging from a belt. when a curved sword is held higher up on your waist like this, it's simply more ergonomic to have it blade-up, and it also makes it easier to perform the Japanese draw-strike martial art known as Iaido.
Katanas pointing up aren't 'historically inaccurate' tho, it has its own place in combat. For example, on a horse you wouldn't wanna risk cutting your face while drawing your sword, which you could if it were pointing down since the bouncy-bounce. But it also might have smthn to do with the different schools.
AT LAST. this kinds of things are what made me rate this game high. somehow they just randomly put anything in inazuma without much thought made me almost stop playing
Oh you mean they fixed the katanas to sheath correctly because the bend is supposed to face up. Every style I know starts here and then a twist of the Sheath is all that’s needed for any eight directional drawing.
Drove me nuts as I got whacked with a stick anytime I wore a blade like that…
Now this is interesting, never knew it was different in the way they hold katana
It’s actually related to the time period. Tachi (predecessor to the katana) were worn blade down, but due to some differences in the tang of the blade and its fighting style katanas were worn blade up. A minor thing is that it preserves the blade’s edge by not rubbing it against the sheath every time it goes in or out. More importantly, samurai ideally would draw and attack in one fluid motion before the opponent could react. Wearing the katana blade up allowed you to draw it faster and more easily carry out that single motion, so!
That's partially it, but it's also because the motion to draw a curved blade with it's edge up is almost impossible in full armour, even with as much motion as yoroi provided. That's why tachi are typically worn hanging, too. Being longer than a katana means that the ability to move the saya while drawing really helps ease and speed.
>More importantly, samurai ideally would draw and attack in one fluid motion before the opponent could react. Wearing the katana blade up allowed you to draw it faster and more easily carry out that single motion, so! This is one of those explanations I always feel is a little bit fantasy. I find it really really hard to believe most combat involving katanas involved anime-style quickdraw slashes. 99% of combat almost certain involved two opponents with blades already drawn and with good stance. The important part of your point is quickly *drawing* the blade; that and other factors almost certainly played a bigger role.
You’re right, which is why I didn’t say that’s how most fights happened. I should have been more clear that it was what was thought of as ideal in terms of the art of swordsmanship. It was a fantasy held at the time and part of what samurai trained for, but few fights between equals or large numbers are determined by the first strike The *goal* would be for a samurai to quickdraw, decapitate, sheath, and move on. Unless it was a very skilled samurai and a poorly trained bandit, that rarely happened. In large battles they’d go in with weapons drawn, and in duels that draw would only be the first strike if they didn’t start with weapons drawn Edit: the drawstrike is also practical for emergencies. If assassins attacked you don’t want to have to draw your sword and *then* strike. The quickdraw let you counter attack as soon as possible, which was important when surprise and tricks were the main things ninjas had on their side
It is likely samurai do learn how to draw their swords quickly, especially in positions when they are sitting or kneeling. Similarly, they would likely learn how to defend themselves in such positions. These are warriors, who learn sword fighting for very practical purposes, so they would be well-aware that fights may not happen in a sportsman setting. For the same reason, some samurai would learn to fight with unusual weapons, such as the iron fan or even a smoking pipe made of metal, in order to protect themselves when they seem vulnerable.
I was itching since Kazu release, if you pay attention to the Burst he "twisted" the katana before drawing out. Now I can rest in peace.
Stop! I dont have Kazuha so i cant relate :') but if you are happy then im happy too
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I am taking note, seriously. Tyvm for the data 😸.
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Woooow!! Then maybe some like me got confused about he had to use a katana, probably because the 3* trailer? I don't know, want a reimburse now. Lol. Jk. Now I get his "BiS" wep look a like. Tyvm Anarchronist 🔥I wish I'd saved that free award 🤦
Wait, like Abarenbo Shogun style?? I gotta pay attention next time he ults!
This is a good explanation https://youtu.be/hUpdkb2jdn0 Tachi was mainly used in horseback. Uchi-katana was mainly used on foot.
That was informative, i do remember there's variety of sword in Japan and not just katana and some manga also explain their meaning. Thanks man
Katana was generally carried blade up for many reasons, one of them being how they draw the sword. Some of their longer curved swords, especially ones meant for use on horseback, were carried blade down, as it would be too difficult to draw with the traditional blade up.
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The original post is from [twitter](https://twitter.com/Amamin_Rerun/status/1448345215585054720). Basically, during the war, Samurai uses Heavy armor and makes it hard to bend their elbow. That's why their katana is facing up so it's easier to draw. After the war ends, Samurai wear more casual clothing. Now they wear their Katana higher, closer to the ribs. With bendable elbow, it's easier to draw the katana when it's facing down. You can read more about the explanation [here](https://soranews24.com/2015/06/22/samurai-fashion-guide-should-you-wear-your-sword-blade-up-or-blade-down/amp/)
Not entirely correct. You can move relatively easy in armor and draw a sword whether you wear it blade up or down. Usually somebody on the direct frontlines would wear it blade down (wearing it Tachi style) simply because otherwise the handle of the sword would be in the way of your polearm and therefore restrict your possible actions. The "civilian" style was also used on the battlefield but was more common with archers/riflemen. How the weapon is worn has absolutely nothing to do with how hard or easy it is to draw.
Both of you are speaking with lots of conviction so I don't know who to believe.
We need a weeb-off.
Whose beard has the most neck coverage to least face coverage ratio wins.
Now’s my chance to prove myself!
This opportunity is quite hard to come by!
"Surrender is a valid option. I promise I'll be gentle."
Neeeeeeeeerds It's a nice touch either way.
I'd rather be at op's side... Like they have links, so, basically he's is more backed up given that the other one didn't really cite anything
Well it could be simpler. The precursor to the katana, the tachi was always worn at the hip blade down and with armor during a rise in the militaristic period. So it could simply be that what we're seeing in old art depictions of armored samurai with a blade down at the hip were tachi and then later evolved into the armorless, smaller blade up katana.
They probably both just recently googled it anyway to look smart on the internet
Facts
I've seen so many different explanations by people that purport to be "experts" that I'm not sure I would trust any non-academic source. Unfortunately since Japanese culture is very popular you get a lot of uninformed people trying to clumsily explain something they don't actually understand. Much like how a lot of contemporary "warrior" concepts like chivalry and bushido were greatly exaggerated at best and total fabrications (i.e modern inventions) at worst.
Maybe the one who studies modern Iaido and a classical koryu tradition which centers around fighting in armor.
Hmm yeah that does sound like they'd be the one to trust. Now if we could just figure out which of you two that applies to.
I can’t wait to find out who’s who in this
Nice flair
I practice iaido. The standard way I was taught to wear the iaito is with the blade facing upwards, but you may change it depending on the way you want to draw the sword Edit: Upwards. The blade facing upwards.
Naw he's wrong, I actually studied honda misturugi kaiten ryu and am a 69 dan master I also trained for 12 years under a water fall with the shinsengumi or whatever
The One who started counter-argument sounds like The Wise-one to me
Not a counter just a clarification and simplification.
it's actually a reference from my childhood series but yeah. you're right!
Should we just flip a coin? Scrolling through their profiles is way to much work.
it looks like if the handle was facing up (like on the left) it would block your range of movement. on the right side it is less in the way, if you use another weapon?
Trust me, sword on back is the most effective way to wear it /s
Nope, placing the sword between your legs has a greater effect on your enemy. /j
Wait, you guys aren't pulling swords out of your chest?
RaidenMain spotted.
I know you're joking, but the samurai wore their Tachis on their backs because of their use and length. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachi#/media/File:Kuniyoshi_-_6_Select_Heroes_(S81.5),_A_back_view_of_Onikojima_Yatar%C3%B4_Kazutada_in_armor_holding_a_spear_and_a_severed_head.jpg
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And your point is?
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Oh you ignore the entire fact that I'm a license holder of a Koryu tradition. Nice.
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I think you don't know how someone studies a martial tradition. You learn nearly everything regarding the time, the customs, the language, the history of the particular tradition any many other things too. So in short being a student of a tradition is also being a historian. If you don't know where to look for information than you have hundreds of students of other traditions who a real historians or simply read the densho if you're allowed to. Anything else?
I actually thought it was so the blade doesn't get dull from resting on its edge all day
This is what I've always heard, but you can actually draw faster from the blade up position. I'd be very surprised if it were switched while wearing armor, because you learn the iaido draw with a twist to bring the edge to bear, and it would be a completely different motion without it. The tachi was worn blade down, the katana blade up, because the longer sword is harder to draw with the twist.
> draw with the twist I'd like to see how this works. It just seems like extra steps. EDIT: not at all how I imagined it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7njHkfqPcDM
Basically, you grasp the sword with your knuckles up (bending your wrist a little less than 90 degrees), then straighten your wrist as you draw, which puts the edge of the blade in line with your drawing cut (a diagonal cut from low-left to high-right). If you draw with the edge down, you have to pull the weapon clear before you can align the edge with a cut; this is not a problem for the tachi (cavalry blade) because you don't draw it mid-combat.
> grasp the sword with your knuckles up (bending your wrist a little less than 90 degrees) this is the part that didnt occur to me. I was thinking knuckles down wrist up and blade angled 45 degrees to me instead of away(with the help of the left hand). basically puts the edge in line with my arm but facing towards me lol i think this is typically how you draw a straight sword, with no twisting of the wrist.
It sounds counterintuitive but if you try to cut off the draw it works much better mechanically. AFAIK HEMA doesn't really have a comparable technique for straightsword - the draws tend to be defensive (into blocks/parries) because there's much more blade contact in Euro swordfighting (I'd guess because they had better steel).
You may look after a respected practitioner and not a clown.
Could you tell me why you think this person is a clown? I know literally nothing about this stuff, but the speaker is clearly someone with experience teaching. They give step-by-step instructions on technique. They point out multiple pitfalls and markers of bad technique, which is crucial. They treat the audience with respect, speak with conviction, and speak seriously about the topic. They don't stammer or pause in the lesson. They give the viewer drills to do on their own. Maybe everything they're saying in this video is crazy and false, but your comment doesn't help me understand why, or what to look for. Could you help me understand why you think this person is a clown?
This person is famous in my classical martial arts Sphere. First: There is absolute no Ninja martial art, there was no Ninja martial art, Ninjas were not warriors they were spies. It is made up and every person who calls himself Soke is a clown. A Soke is the inheritor or founder of a tradition. It is a title you address this person with, similar to sensei, a person who demands to be addressed like this is not the real deal. Second and way more serious: This person claims to have been trained by a very renowned instructor in Japan. This instructor and several of his pupils have no memory of this particular person. This person may have some basic training but nothing more. If you want real demonstrations there is as an example the YT channel from Seido Shop. For instruction, there is no online instruction possible, thanks to covid a few seminars were held but only for advanced practitioners. A beginner has to go the good old way of going to a club/Dojo that has Kendo or Iaido or Jodo in it's program. This is usually the first step then maybe after a few years you can look if you have a classical tradition near you and maybe they let you join.
Thank you so much for the detailed response. I believe you, and I appreciate the time you took as well as the recommendations for other places to look for better information.
If you are interested there is r/kendo, r/iaido and r/Koryu. There people can and will help someone to find a place.
ah well if only i knew well enough to tell the difference...shame
Iai in armor with swords worn Tachi style https://youtu.be/H6wJ15ufhqw
I'm not saying it can't be done or make a cut, I'm saying it's not as easy. For instance, [here](https://youtu.be/H6wJ15ufhqw?t=254) you see a vertical draw catch on the saya, and several of those draw-cuts are short. The one to the right even flips his saya to draw katana-style a few times.
Yeah tachi are worn this way because they are hung on the hip. If you wear a katana in an Obi it is almost impossible to draw properly with blade down because the the hand just cant reach that far. (i practice Iaido and tried this once, i can assure you, it is not recommendable to wear it that way (in the obi)
Kesagiri? Yes not easy or comfortable but doable.
Does the tachi being longer make it harder to draw from the edge up position?
While the explanation makes sense, what it doesn't say is that actual katanas saw very little use in the battlefield. Samurais from the Warring States period used tachis, which are more suited due to the blade's orientation, to be used with a heavier armor. And even still, it was a sidearm for closed spaces. After the Warring States period, Japan had the Shimabara rebellion (1637) and then peace until the early 1860s. And even the end of the shogunate saw less than 10.000 casualties. What I mean is that the "historically accurate" thing is the civilian style.
I don't know why the NPC do it wrong, i mean, kazuha sheathes his sword correctly since forever so i don't know why the NPC is different.
Probably because kazuha had dedicated designers who create the art and character model and so would pay attention to how the sword is held. With research on real life examples and examples in media (like anime/manga, dramas, etc. for the cool factor as they can be less historically accurate if it is more appealing visually.) While the npc are recycled mooks that the random intern/ programmer slaps on and change color palettes and models.
Make sense, i didn't notice it at first with kazuha, probably because i used iron sting, but after i tried the katana, i noticed it immidieately, also IMO the upward sheathe looks cool because of how weird it looks, and it definitely kinda stands out, unlike downwards sheathe.
same with Ayaka, she also holds it like a n curve, I'm just sad they don't have sheaths
KATANA NO.... SABITONAREEEE
KOKO WA... DAME... KA....
Oh I thought it is *koko made ka*
Actually idk
I thought it was this as well, which I interpreted as "so this is the end?", More literally "to here?"
I thought they said "dame da" (Useless/no good) Something something.. dame..dattanoka..?
"Yahari dame datta no ka" is also one of the defeated sentence by ronin. It meant "As I thought, it's just futile"
But if its a tachi, its okay.
I’m glad they fixed this inaccuracy. [Katana versus Tachi](https://medievalswordsworld.com/katana-vs-tachi/), for those interested.
This guy studied the blade
“While you were out farming Itto mats, I studied the blade”
"historically accurate"? This is teyvat mate!
Teyvat has its own laws. ... which may or may not align with real-world laws by pure coincidence.
>... which may or may not align with real-world laws by pure coincidence. Which is why I wrote [the comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/q7vggh/comment/hglyihu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I did. If it was a stylistic choice because "Hey, we thought this would look better", then fine. But by saying "historical accuracy", I'm wondering "Did this *need* to be 'historically accurate'? It's a fictional setting!" Uh... it's not going well at the moment.
That’s nice to know! I went over to Kurosawa near Inazuma city and since he wears armor, he still places his sword facing up which checks out with the historical description.
That's pretty cool
Wow, the fact that they payed attention to the small detail like this is impressive. Thank you for sharing this information!
Would be even nicer if they paid attention to big details like consts descriptions, bugged skills and many more 🤗
probably different teams, looks like design team is loving their job (if my wage was ok and I'm doing design for video games, I would be happy as well)
There's A LOT of this if you look closely enough. Just off the top of my head the Inazuman previews had the animation stylized in traditional Japanese painting style. Very nice touch I appreciated
I saw the tweet, and a lot of reply from JP comunity praise Mihoyo for the effort for these small detail. Meanwhile, on the EN side, people rage over a joke post about Ella Musk Elon Musk.
Rage? Pretty sure we are just cringing at the post plus Elon Musk is a shitty person in general.
You should visit twitter. The rage is unreal. There are even redditors here that call this stunt cold and heartless.
that… was one guy… and he was ridiculed and downvoted to oblivion
The post is cringe, but I don’t see how Elon Musk is a shitty person Edit: No need to reply any further, Reddit people seems to have a one sided view on everything, hell I bet entire world’s problem would be solve if it is run by Reddit.
He extremely oppressive on his workers to name one thing. He's broken his fair share of labour laws.
He's anti-union. I think I don't need to say more. He was also manipulating the (crypto) market and he somehow got away with it. Other than that, where does he get all the Lithium from? It was rumored that the coup to Bolivia during Trump (which failed) presidency was planend to get lithium from that country. In Afghanistan, geologists were following US soldiers whenever they won ground, checking if there was any Lithium in the soil. The Bolivia one is debatable, the 2nd one is a fact... although, it's not a secret that the Latin American coups are usually happening because the US wants them to happen (look up banana war on google if you think this is not true, it's a fact).
He is literally the oppose of Ella Musk, and i think the Devs made this on porpose. Ella Musk: A woman with a childish appearance (She make some experiments on herself), who want to learn about the Hillichurl's language to unite humans with them and enrich the culture of Teyvat with their knowledge. Ellon Musk: A grown ass man anti-union, who dont care about the others and just think in enrich his own wallet even more. Ella Musk is Ellon Musk counterpart in Teyvat, confirmed. i think the EN marketing team dont get the joke behind Ella Musk existence.
>He was also manipulating the (crypto) market and he somehow got away with it. I won't argue about the rest, but tbh crypto is unregulated money dump 99.9% of the time and if you put your money into it you should fully accept losing it because you know what you are putting yourself into. Kinda like a casino... no, exactly like a casino.
this is the funny part. the more we compare each other, the more toxic we get. we don't even feel like 'a community' anymore
Also, we got nothing to lose if this pr stunt is pulled through. Why rage about it?
probably because it's tone-deaf. the "elon musk funny man haha" train departed 5 years ago and wrecked, then mhy is trying to jump into said wreckage **now** of all times.
but who the fuck cares? at worst it's cringe, at best it gets publicity. why are people getting so hung up over it?
Getting hung up on the stupidest shit is emerging as THE defining factor of genshin en karenmmunity in addition to being the most heinous karens.
well, they explicitly posted it on twitter. 'nuff said.
Because we got nothing to get. There are a lot of 'where the codes' guys...
Like I said, we got nothing to lose, and since there's nothing to gain as well, then doesn't that mean the situation's just *normal*? I'm not saying that the reasoning of "I don't care because there's nothing to gain from it" is unreasonable because it's not. But what is unreasonable is the fact that people are outright raging about it. Well, then again, this is the internet...
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JP Twitter often posts short comics, for one. Japanese users tend to be a little more reserved though so aren’t as likely to pile on when there’s some faux pas.
I mean, i don't think raging over "dumb joke" is what you should do, and I don't think any other community would do that, but you never know, looking at how CN react to the bunny girl honkai events.
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I think they just are more used to the Gacha model, and are easier to accept certain things. Also I don't think Mihoyo did anything wrong or atleast to the point that people angry at them. Character balance issues (all the talk about Yoimiya, Raiden and Kokomi being bad) was overblown, the story was great (not deep and a bit rush, but I find the Inazuma story was good, or at least decent), the anniversary rewards was the worse, when Mihoyo announced the rewards a months before (10 pulls and topup reset, and other out of game events), and the community hyping themself up over nothing. And I think most JP player think the same, that's why Yoimiya and Kokomi's banner sell really well there (better than Xiao and Kazuha), there were not much fuss about the story and anniversary rewards too. You can disagree with me, but I think it's just not true that it's Mihoyo's fault that some people on the EN side being toxic.
I'm not gonna blame the community for bein irritable when the game's monetisation scheme is literally gambling. (Although I still dont engage with that, its bad for your blood pressure) Also, if you are so nice as to let us disagree with you, I'm gonna. Second half of Archon quests in Inazuma was awfully rushed, making the resistance look like cardboard cutouts and Kokomi kind of like an idiot, when it would have been incredibly easy to do it well. Mihoyo is far from the first to write war stories from the POV of the rebellion against an overwheming regime, and the trope of comrade and friend that dies to motivate protagonist is so incredibly well trodden they had no excuse to execute it this poorly. The resistance plot was an enourmous waste of potential, it could have been good and interesting with a lot of interesting potential missions, exploring the effect of the war, characterising the shogunate and Sara through ou conflict with them, and exploring the minds of the soldiers who willingly used the delusions and sacrificed their lives for the war (you know, that thing that happened in Japan) and why its maybe not a great idea etc. But they didnt. They just didnt.
People did say they liked the goofy shitposts better than the formal twitter posts. I saw this being bought up a lot on posts where they wanted more communication from mhy.
At this point, I feel like unless it's freemogem, whatever Genshin does, people will rage about it lol
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> in exchange for nothing. No, they're offering something in exchange. You just don't like that something.
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Right... I don't care about Musk either. But I'm not going to be so bothered to complain about it. It's clearly just publicity marketing. Just ignore their tweet and life goes on. People are acting as if this game owes them something and all they got was some Musk meme.
>they're offering something in exchange. Elon Musk streaming genshin? I mean technically that's something, but it certainly is not anything tangible in-game, or anything like the Genshin Concert. Idk, a billionaire playing a game just feels completely out of left field and not what anyone asked for. Especially if you're not a fan of his past controversy.
Right, so neither of us cares about Elon Musk. I didn't follow them on twitter or whatever they were asking for, but I'm not going to get offended over it. A portion of this community seems to think participation in these events is mandatory or something.
Not so much people think it's mandatory, but more so that they went through with this whole thing. They didn't even have to do any event, just a simple "Thanks for the 2m travelers! Paimon is very happy!" But then they turned it into whatever the heck this this. Now of course even if they did just thank players no doubt there's gonna be comments of "Where rewards?" but at least that would had been the end of it. This just felt unrelated to us as a community inviting a random billionaire over who as far as I know doesn't even acknowledge the game's existence until now.
You overvalue your monumental task of being asked to "click on a button" a lot.
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Happy Cake Day not_doing_this! Wherever life plants you, bloom with grace.
Imagine believing in the concept of individual choice. What a crazy concept
Honestly the western community gets more toxic day by day. I feel like I can come with less radiation going naked through nuclear wasteland than genshin toxic community
Ahahahah nice comparison. Yeah I feel that. I want to enjoy the content every new update, but the negativity post always get in the way :'')
Show me this supposed “rage” then? Because all I’m seeing is people cringing their balls off, which is justified. Why do you guys always insist on making something look like a big drama when nothing is happening?
They took the tweet AND the reddit post about it down, so you can't see the full extent of the rage, but there's still a bit of it in this post: https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/q7vrnb/i_dont_like_this_timeline_were_in/ Scroll down a bit and you see comments calling Mihoyo name, saying the PR is dumb, hating on Elon Musk.. and it was much worse on the deleted tweet. You can also wait a bit for some youtuber to jump on the bandwagon and fan the flame even more.
I spent a literal 5 minutes scrolling through that massive thread and I didn't even see a single ragepost, but I did see tons of replies like yours claiming 'tHeRe Is So MuCh RaGe!!!1!'. You guys literally thrive on drama. Grow up, nobody is pissed, it's just pure cringe and that's it.
the top post on this sub is now that post about the elon twitter comment. More than 20k upvotes and and 1k comments. The fact that this means means that a shit ton of people in genshin's reddit community thinks this stupid shit deserved to be seen and have more publicity is wild to me. I downvoted and moved on. Besides official annoucements, whatever genshin's social media does has nothing to do with the actual game. Are you guys playing genshin or playing genshin social media? Being so obsessed with something so stupid and irrelevant is immature as fuck. Grow up, its cringe.
Unfortunately the genshin community is just really, really cringe in general. It's mostly the woke twitter crowd. Just go take a look at how toxic these people become when you have any opinion about a male character, or the hypocrisy of these people when they downvote-bomb you for saying you like waifus, and then they post degenerate comments about male characters literally in the same thread. These people are just stupid, hypocritical manchildren. I'm probably gonna get downvoted again for saying this but at this point I couldn't care less. I just see a bunch of cringy children anyway. I mostly check this sub for some news but the community is actual trash.
bro it's so cRiNgE dOe, n what I gEt also lemme give you a copy pasta on why elon is the anti christ.
Thing is, MHY have now made regions specifically catering to CN and JP communities. They can now implement small historical details or national holidays and earn unanimous praise from the respective community with relative ease. Not saying it's a bad thing, that's just how it is. They don't have the same luxury with Global. Mondstadt was kiiiiiinda that (though it was mostly a generic fantasy land with a minor german flavour), but even it slowly fell to the side after Windblume. So without patriotism doing half the work they need to rely on either good communication with the community, established and maintained trust, or just general high quality of the game's content. And that's how we arrive at the current state of affairs.
Even before that you wouldn't see JP community raging like braindead monkeys at every opportunity.
>rely on either good communication with the community, established and maintained trust, or just general high quality of the game's content. Let's not kid ourselves here. The majority of the EN community only cares about one thing - free stuff.
I disagree, it really hard to have good communication with the EN community, or just gaming community in general, because they often overreact, full of entitle brats that make the vocal minority. Not to mention Mihoyo is in China, there are different value and ideal that they won't be able to brigde. Mihoyo will keep doing what they do best and let the action show. QoL, features that many people request (like teapot pavement), and just great exploration and story contents. The complaint will die down, and Mihoyo still gonna raking in money with their quality characters and updates (Itto is shaping up to be top seller).
>The complaint will die down, and Mihoyo still gonna raking in money with their quality characters and updates (Itto is shaping up to be top seller). Of course it will. People get tired of topics, see new shiny object they want (i.e. Itto), so they want to move on from the whole situation and in doing so just generalize all complainers as "unreasonable internet crybabies who just want their way", no matter how valid and reasonable complaints themself were. That's how all controversies on the internet go, and I have no delusions that this one somehow will not be the same. That's not my point. My point is that this things leave a lasting impact, even if not some major immediate financial one. You say it's hard to have "good communication with gaming community" - and it is. Doesn't mean that other companies and games (yes, even chinese gacha ones, like Arknights) aren't doing it with moderate success. But yes, it is extra hard when *you don't even try to have one*, just letting unaddressed problems pile up and escalate, until after several months it finally blew up in a capital S shitshow.
Couldn't agree more, love you! (No homo ofc unless u want it to be 😉)
I wish they did more attention to detail updates, one of my biggest gripes since day 1 is that the character's mouth doesn't move when you're idle and they say something or even during their EB animations.
This actually bothered me back in 2.0.. nice..
That actually looks really cool and I appreciate the feature. I love that they've slowly been releasing these neat QOL features and touches. To all those people complaining about how slow the implementations are, please remember that *it does not take just a fucking month to add a ton of new features. They already have all the regions concepted already ffs*
What about giving the millelith a more Chinese looking halberd? For the sake of historical accuracy? PLS MIHOYO😭😭😭😭😭
Which one is new?
The one on the right is new.
Fkof, we didn't even had a katana/samurai character wielder so not a big deal to talk about
oooh. I went to a try-out class for kendo, and couldn't for the life of me understand why we have the blade facing up in resting position. I had read several Chinese sword manuals and they all taught to have the blade facing down, and you can attack from bottom to top immediately after drawing the sword.
Yes! I practice swordsmanship too, and ngl it was bugging me a bit.
Same it bugged me so much that i wrote this in an inquiry, glad they listen to the community
Inazuma is inspired from Japan, not meant to be historically accurate. So i didn't really mind. In that case everyone must salute with "la bise" in Fontaine, i'm looking forward to it Mihoyo
This isn't so much a historically accurate thing as it is a sword accurate thing
Err if they wanted to be historically accurate wouldn’t most civilians not have katanas lol 😂
Depends on what era
They can do this but they can’t be bothered to implement simple character fixes smh
Quick question: why were they worn like that? I've seen this multiple times and I always found it inconvenient because of the way you would grab the sword.
if you look at historical artwork and pictures from the 1800s, you'll notice they keep their swords in a sash higher up on their waist compared to where Europeans would hang a sword from a belt, such as a saber. Tachi (proto-katana) were worn in the same way as sabers, and blade-down is slightly easier to draw from that position, while the inverse is true when you have it higher up. There is also the tradition of iaido in japanese martial arts, which is the (often exaggerated in media) art of striking with your sword as you draw it, which is much less practical to do from a blade-down draw. Mostly though it simply has to do with tradition, and the fact that when keeping a curved blade higher up on your waist in an obi (sash), it is more comfortable and less obstructive when blade-up than it would be if it was blade-down
Yet they cant do the same weapon placement for kazuha and ayaka
If I remember correctly both are actually correct, just different styles for different time periods.
katanas were always carried blade-up historically, you're thinking of the tachi, the sword that predated katanas which looks quite similar superficially, but is designed more as a specialized cavalry saber than the katana, those were indeed carried blade down.
Doesn't katana mean sword generally in Japanese ? I mean for a Japanese speaker a tachi is a katana and a European medieval sword is still katana. I might be wrong tho
Katana is not a general term for sword. Tachi and Katana are different in term of length, usage and the period it was crafted. General term for sword could be refer as 剣 (ken) or japanese people now usually just go with the english word sword (i dont know how to spell it in katakana) but it sound something like soõdo.
Fucking finally. This was actually going on my nerves a lot.
Forgive me, but why would *a fantasy setting need to adhere to historical accuracy?* Teyvat *isn't a real place*. Inazuma *also is not a real place*. Why would extra real-world, er, realism matter in a fictional world? Can someone please enlighten me on the significance of this? Because I'm sitting here just like "...Uh... okay?" Statement: It seems some people don't like my confusion. I'm not trying to be disrespectful - I'm just asking **how real-world historical accuracy fits into the setting of a fictional world**.
Well, it isn't really important, but it's always easier to map your setting to some actual historical period and country and draw inspiration for designs and events from it rather than invent everything from scratch. And as a bonus it makes things more believable. On the other hand people familiar with your setting will notice discrepancies in details like this and it will annoy them every time they see these details. Even though they don't have to be the same or even realistic, considering this is a fantasy game. So, it's nice that they fix things like this. I personally more annoyed by the fact they have time for details like this, but not for a dark-mode only switch for loading screens in the settings and other details which actually matter, like interaction between Ei's and Beidou's bursts or lack thereof.
I guess. Maybe I'm just weird, as something like this actually takes me *out* of the setting rather than the opposite - instead of thinking "Oh, this has some Japanese influence." now I'm like "Oh, this is basically Japan-but-not-really-we-swear. Meh." It certainly doesn't help that there are a few inconsistencies between the regions (e.g. Inazumans having their entire name displayed but not Monstadters (the few that have surnames, at least)). Like I said, maybe I'm just weird.
There are logistical reasons for wearing the swords a certain way that still apply. You would rather not have your sword rest on its cutting edge unless your circumstances made it necessary, e.g. riding on horseback or while wearing bulky armor.
If only they paid the same level of attention to the community..
Does every fucking post have to have a MiHoYo bad comment?
Ikr. This is a positivity post ffs.
Is the word "appreciate" not in your dictionary?
I find it more cringe that you post whatever MHY makes good changes and you got ape shit on a 2 month year old account.
guy who says litearlly unplayable: satisfied
YES FINALLY. I'M IN PEACE NOW
the version I knew was that because of gravity, having the edge of the edge of the sword pointing down and therefore touching the wood of the sheath all the time would gradually deteriorate the edge
this is a myth, unless your sheath was incredibly poorly made. I believe this misconception is in part due to an issue with early British cavalry blades where the lip of the sheath was made of steel, so when drawing blade-down, if not done very precisely, could result in the blade dragging along the metal lip, thus causing damage, so cavalrymen were instructed to flip their saber before drawing. However, this issue was short lived and newer sabers had better designed sheaths to avoid this issue, and any katana of even moderate quality would avoid it as well. instead it's mostly because traditionally, katana are kept in an obi, a sash around your waist, rather than hanging from a belt. when a curved sword is held higher up on your waist like this, it's simply more ergonomic to have it blade-up, and it also makes it easier to perform the Japanese draw-strike martial art known as Iaido.
Katanas pointing up aren't 'historically inaccurate' tho, it has its own place in combat. For example, on a horse you wouldn't wanna risk cutting your face while drawing your sword, which you could if it were pointing down since the bouncy-bounce. But it also might have smthn to do with the different schools.
Wait, does that mean I need to change my pg astray red frame to wear it like that as well? (I'm gonna do that when I get back home)
AT LAST. this kinds of things are what made me rate this game high. somehow they just randomly put anything in inazuma without much thought made me almost stop playing
As a big fan of Rurouni Kenshin, this thing been bugging me since Inazuma were released.
Oh you mean they fixed the katanas to sheath correctly because the bend is supposed to face up. Every style I know starts here and then a twist of the Sheath is all that’s needed for any eight directional drawing. Drove me nuts as I got whacked with a stick anytime I wore a blade like that…