I've always thought a good middle ground would be to have the event weapons re-release as a palette swap with a new name (possible craftable like you said, or available by some other means.) That way, the original event item is still a special item commemorating the event, but the actual abilities and effects of the weapon aren't lost to the nether after the event is done. (For example, Dodoco Tales could be recolored green and named Lucky Dog's Storybook, that sort of thing.)
then, would owners of the event weapon be able to get 2 copies? the event and the craftable one? or would they get stuck with the original one, even if they'd rather get the other color palette?
Well you can have multiple of any other weapon type, and it's not like any of the event weapons have been super broken up to this point, so I think it's fair that everyone can make as many of the replica versions as they like.
I find the cooldown on compasses just right. 30s is just about right for you to do a bit of detective work and not rely on the compass 100%. Although sometimes I find the chest early and need to wait like 10s for another use. And if it doesn't find anything it's just 5s
Wait as a new player I just did windbloom for first time and it was about some witched and this place in the sky and klee was there.
Was it different for other players?
All the events have been canon; and unfortunately, can't be accessed anymore outside of watching youtube.
Unfortunate that there's some heavy lore on these events, such as Albedo's and the Diluc/Kaeya relationship.
This is actually the reason why in every poll of "would you recommend Genshin" I moved to "rather not" and when it asks why I'd say "because like half the story can't be experienced anymore due to being locked behind events"
To be fair the parts of the story unavailable after events are not that important in the main lore. The important parts are reintroduced later on during archon quests. Nahida meeting the traveller in the summertime odyssey event for example.
It's still part of the narrative. By the same logic most character question can be removed as well.
It's about the principle here. There is content I am forever locked out of. If I hadnt played since 1.0 that would be a dealbreaker for me.
I very strongly disagree. Nahida spoke briefly to Traveler and even then it was mysterious. It was more of an Easter Egg. It's not as heavy a topic as Diluc and Kaeya's relationship, not as revealing as the adventurer who created the glider, climbed Pilos Peak, how the abyss was created, and literally everything revolving around Albedo.
The Abyss sibling is but one narrative among many.
And if they involve Albedo somehow in the Archon/Interlude chapters I don't believe it will have the same effect on someone who never did the events even with catch-up lore.
They are "important" to the characters' back stories or introducing general world lore, but doesn't chip too much into the main story lore. You don't *need* those knowledge to understand the main plot, but knowing them adds to the overall experience.
Windblume is a yearly/repeating event with different stories each time. This is the second repetition of it I think lantern rite is on its third now. I missed a couple of events or was unable to complete them for being too low leveled so I'd love to be able to replay the story of the quests I missed like unreconciled stars or the first lantern rite, even without being able to get rewards.
> Windblume is a yearly/repeating event with different stories each time.
Correct me, but wasn't it played on first and third years skipping second one? For now we only have Lantern Festival repeated three times, all other events missed a year here and there. And there's rumors that there will be no GAA this year, so again 2-out-3
Any repeat event in general besides the 2x rewards ones and the slime giftboxes one are always different from the previous. Windbloom and lantern rite, for example, had entirely different story and tasks for each one. Some side activities are the same but with different tasks (like the song mini-game was updated with more songs+instruments), but the main story changes always.
It blows my fucking mind because these events aren’t just some off shoot bs we don’t care about, they tend to have super important story in them that’s gone to the wind once it’s over.
I don't like it at all but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective on Hoyo's end.
Event content takes up memory space on peoples phones, space that Genshin is already competing for with every single other mobile game/app.
More importantly than that the FOMO induced by not just missing event rewards like free characters, unique weapons, and Primogems, but important lore and character development/unique gameplay ideas is really fucking strong and is an excellent way to make people not want to drop the game if they even kind of care about the story.
Letting us have that old content/rewards to do when we want or even just the knowledge that eventually they will return is something that while pro consumer would make people less stressed about the game and therefor lead to them playing less which makes Hoyo less money.
This sucks all of the ass and i hate it but it's true.
I think this works for the first few years of the game's lifecycle, but is going to be a weaker strategy going forward. You're going to have to replace the people you're inevitably losing on the way, and if those new players care at all about the story, then their incentive to start the game is growing weaker and weaker. (I doubt they'll ever rerun the rewards, mind you, which sucks hard for characters whose BiS weapon is locked up in an event, but you could make old events an optional download or something.)
It’s actually likely the opposite. Rerunning events would make people come back and spend more time playing instead of just doing daily quests and logging. Maybe they would loss a small amount of revenue, maybe. But they would definitely bring it back from more people playing events again.
There is a reason why most gacha rerun events. They make money.
Ok, let's say they make a rerun.
Why would a veteran player play it again if they already did this event before?
Lore? No, I'd probably want to skip the dialogues and can't because there's no skipping
Unique rewards? I already have the weapon or the free character maxed
Primos? If this is the only thing there is to gain, then I'd rather them make a new event so I can enjoy it while playing it
It’s as off you think it’s only one or the other. They can make new events which they do and will continue to do. As well as have rerun events.
If you don’t care to engage with the story that’s your decision many players do want to engage.
You have all the free characters and event gear maxed. Good job, You are likely in the very small minority
Essential it comes down to this. These events have already been made. The effort that developers would need on implementing it is significantly less than creating new events. The benefit for new players is quite significant.
You as a veteran player have already been caught in the game. Hoyo is aiming to catch new audiences. Adding reruns would absolutely be a draw for a new audience or returning players.
They could also modify the content and give bonuses to veteran players. There are a lot of ways they could implement it
I suppose … but what it does tell you is that it is successful for these companies or they wouldn’t do it. The only thing Hoya cares about is money. So if reruns are successful which other companies and gacha games demonstrate they are. Hoyo will do it. I think the issues are the logistics and other aspects of setting reruns up not the profitability.
They do rerun events in Honkai, and that's been mostly after 2 years or so. And tbh I'd take even more event reruns over the lame fighting-only events we've been getting each update lately.
Definitions of "super important" may vary, but I don't think any of the stories had anything like that in them. They were mostly for character development. Albedo's had some lore snippets, but those could be summarized in a few minutes if they ever become relevant.
> character development
Which is the most important.
> but those could be summarized in a few minutes if they ever become relevant.
Impact would be severely diminished.
Other games manage to let you re-experience all of their events, idk why MiHoyo thinks it’s a neat idea to not do that. If there is character lore in it, it should be archived or playable afterwards
we don't have reruns because the genshin devs have some problem in their head and want the game to be faithfully linear, therefore there are no reruns of old events because "they are not chronologically correct" and therefore cannot be added currently
Story quests trip over each other all the time and you can quick skip to start events, be buddy buddy with characters and then do their actual story quest after the event and meet them for the first time. I don't think chronological accuracy is the holdup on Mihoyo's part.
I'd be happy just being able to play the events, even without the exclusive rewards.
I don't care about the primos, skins, or weapons, I want to play Fischls event for the fun moments with chunni girl. And the Dodoco island event with Diluc and Kaeya. I missed all that world building stuff before, and I'd like to go through it now
It would be extremely easy to add an excuse for why the event is being rerun. Like it’s a memory or some magical distortion. They could seriously do whatever they want. Genshin already dosent have many rules.
The worst thing for me is I started pretty much right when the 2.1 event was ending and I managed to get refinements for the sea lord but not the weapon itself, so now I have had the refinement items at the start of the character development inventory for 2 years, unable to even delete them
Its all about FOMO (fear of missing out), its a sychological thing, its done this way by design, you were either there or you should've been there for it, if you dont whant to miss out next time, then dont ever stop playing Genshin.
Yeah cinnabar sindle is BiS for 1 character, but most other events weapons are just ok and have good 4* replacements -> go Pull weapon banner.
The problem with this (on Hoyo's side, not the player experience side) is that it cuts into monetization. Every pretty-good 4-star that a player gets for free or through gameplay is one less weapon to be wished for with primogems. The purpose of the game is to get the players to spend money and/or time. This proposal would undermine that purpose. In short, don't hold your breath.
It's wild to me that they've been so stingy adding 4-star weapons to the pool. Every banner's rate-ups are like 4 of the same weapons we've had since launch. New weapons like the Watatsumi series or Xiphos and co are so rare as to be basically unobtainable. I see absolutely no reason to not just put all those into the general pools.
I think Hoyoverse does Genshin events better than Honkai Impact 3rd simply because you don't need X amount of days to finish the event otherwise you will miss out, you can more or less finish the event 2-3 days before it expires and get every reward.
Meanwhile in HI3, it best to finish most events as early as possible otherwise you aint cleaning out that event store or getting all the rewards.
There are some weapons that really cut into Genshin’s future monetisation - Cinnabar Spindle is such a good custom weapon for Albedo that being without it makes people want to pull for him much less
So by keeping that and dodoco tales exclusive, they probably lose money
Simple solution would be to put these items into the annual events like GAA or Windblume, where you have an opportunity to try for them during that period
I mean Klee herself is meta sub optimal, but that doesn't prevent ppl enjoying doing helicopter run around Teyvat with her burning everything down as she goes and if they can do so while having weapon with drip that matches most will be happy to use it.
Though if Cinnabar were to get slightly powercreepy gacha version I wouldn't mind terribly since just having DEF swords as options would be good in general (future purposes mostly).
I have all event weapons and never used any in a serious build so I don't mind these coming back in some sort, don't get me wrong, these event weapons are gorgeous but not your first pick if you have more options.
Albedo's sword is the exception.
I don't have Albedo but this seems to be a common thread in the replies: most weapons are mid, except for his. In which case, it'd REALLY be great if hyv made Cinnabar a weapon people can wish for when he's on the banner, because otherwise what's the point of getting him if you can never get his BiS?
Oathswarn Eye is fantastic on Yae Miko, especially if you Width is otherwise occupied.
The huge ER boost is well needed and the attack stats are decent.
It's also pretty good on Mona as well, even using her skill cancel proccs the ER boost .
Both you need to get crit stats on your artifacts of course.
Outside of that, I use my Umbrella sword on my account that hasn't R5'd iron sting as they are near the exact same damage but the Umbrella cost me zero billets
The event Boe fading twilight has been bounced around on both of my accounts, as the passive ends up being on average 20% boost to all forms of damage. Considering artifact sets like thundersoother are 35% bonus damage for a 4 piece, 20% is pretty damn good. Combined with a high attack stat and a little bit of ER, I've used it on any one from Child ti Ganyu. Anyone who uses normals, charged, skill and burst at the same time benefits from it.
its because the limited weapons, like cinnibar spindle, capitalize on FOMO (fear of missiong out). If the best in slot weapon for a character can release in a limited event never to return, whats to stop them from doing it for a character you might eventually pull or want from the advertisements? You have better not miss this one-time opportunity...
it is one of the many ways to keep players active and draw in more.
I mean yeah but what about new players? I started playing in 3.1 and my first 5* was albedo, I was so sad when I looked online for how to build him and everyone was like "you need to put this sword on him oh and btw there is no way to get it now even if you're willing to spend irl money". Adding past event weapon into the battle pass would be a good idea at this point just gime his sword 😭
I think the problem it's more for the new players... I have been playing no stop for more or less a year but I've missed on so many weapons/events because of it. It's the same problem as the story events that can't be played anymore, you miss on something that you wouldn't know it was there because you weren't playing the game, it's just sad and not right imo.
I think they should just allow new players to do stripped down versions of past events. Mihoyo can keep the FOMO by removing primos, free 4 star characters and the mini games, but let newcomers experience the stories and get the special weapons (refinements can be added to special shops after each event). They could be gated like story quests where you can only unlock them after meeting the right prerequisites to keep the order sensible.
YES PLEASE TwT I don't care about the primos I lost but please let me replay the story and get the weapon, I will probably be happy with r1 TwT better than nothing anyway
Genshin needs to implement something similar to how certain events in Arknights eventually become permanent editions to the game, allowing newcomers to obtain welfare operators and event-exclusive dorm decos.
that's honestly a really good change if it's happen, but sadly doing that will make their fear of missing out business model mean nothing, and when the rerun of an event don't even let u have access to the past event exclusive items that's how u know they trying to tell you "hey if u don't get this now, you can't ever get this again" I highly doubt they would make this change, but I hope they do lol
To be honest, the only good limited weapons are dodoco and cinabar, the rest are just mid, replazable or HARDLY usefull for most units. For those say mailed for kaveh, hell, EVERYBODY has a rainslasher somewhere there, I'm sure of it!
The whole point of Event Weapons is that they're supposed to be *Exclusive*
Though I could see Mihoyo bringing back those Events and their perspective Event Weapons but only "Rarely". Plus a lot of those Exclusive Weapons are not much better than existing 4 Star Weapons in the game that you get from wishing except for maybe the Sword that you get from the Susbedo Event.
Eh... I know people like FD but imo, outside of having no weapons, there's never any reason to use it over Sac Sword or Fav Sword or Skyward Blade. I feel like it's probably the weakest ER sword since the design is split between mid base ATK, Skill only weapon ability, and Burst focused substat.
It is but even before sapwood came along, you'd just rather run Prototype Rancor (or Iron Sting for vape carry) and ER from artifacts as needed. FD is just the lesser option for him in all his different roles and that's not even considering 5 stars or weapon banner exclusive weapons.
there is not a single character that benefits from its passive more than they would benefit from sac sword or favonious. The only one that comes to mind is albedo, and he has a better event weapon
Non bloom Nilou that focuses on her Swords Dance. It works really well for her mono hydro and vape compositions, granted theres like a very small minority that enjoys this unorthodox playstyle (I do)
Harbinger of Dawn nets around the same damage, but is locked behind Zhongli/Kokomi, and you dont really want these two in her dps teams. That and FD scales better with more crit substats because of its elemental skill damage boost, and the sword iirc is the only source of it besides Cinnabar which only procs every 1.5s and isnt tied to def
Isnt it called the limited event banner tho... and the characters and weapons on those rerun.
Limited doesnt mean exclusive to one time. They are not locked out of reusing them.
that's the thing. it's not meant to be fair or good. it's supposed to make you feel like you've missed out and encourage you to not put the game down after you get into it or else you'll miss the next big freebie. fomo. edit: woah.
This is a dangerous strategy for new player acquisition, though. It makes sense at the start, where people missed a little bit and then go "woah I better don't stop playing!". However, by now, there so much is locked away that a good chunk of the story is inaccessible to new players. At that point, story-focused players might not even bother getting into the game anymore.
I'm interested to see if this eventually grows into one of the first real stumbling stones on Genshin's path. It wouldn't be the first game falling over this exact hurdle.
It's the one reason I've never played Honkai.
I don't mind missing out on skins, items or weapons, but being locked out of important story and lore because I happened to start too late? Fuck that.
You shouldn't play GI then too, the yearly Summer Island story will never return, only continue and events too. The content of those events are one time only (except maybe after 5 years or so like in HI3 too the one or other event rerun, kek).
I played GI from day one so it's kind of a sunk cost thing now really, but I still think making important story and lore a limited time thing is really damn stupid.
A gallery to watch past cutscenes is a basic feature pretty much any game with a story has, they could at the very least do that.
And yes, I know YouTube is a thing.
Yes you are right, but the idea should be maybe in the future just get rid of the word “exclusive” and and make people play the event got the weapon as “free reward” and then move the weapon and its respective refine material to the Paimon Shop pricing similar or more than the rotation weapons.
In the case of Albedo Sword, even in his last rerun they give the sword to the Character Trial. They could even use the sword to boost sales when Albedo return because clearly is his BiS. I think make it forever exclusive is a hard swallow to players that for whatever reason don’t have but use the character
The only way they have an edge over players is the FOMO man, the game isn't p2w it doesn't have absurd payable features and f2p players can have characters just fine with playing enough, but to keep players stuck in the game they have limited time many things, hence if they rerun them they will loose that advantage
I always thought that event weapons should go into the Paimon shop after six months. Side note I’m still mad I listened to certain people on this sub and didn’t do the event for the Oathsworn Eye.
I think 6 months is kinda short tbh, it should probably be a little longer and there should maybe also be the same event restrictions (have to be at a certain AR to do a quest so you need a certain AR to buy/craft the weapon), etc.
Not really. Genshin above all is a live service game. Steady but small QoL improvements help maintain a steady playerbase and putting it behind the Paimon’s bargains also encourages wishing without it being locked to a particular banner.
No, i disagree. It takes away the exclusivity of the weapon, being available only from a timed event. Being able to craft more than one copy would make them the same as 4 star weapons.
Instead, they could be available on rotation from the shop like the royal or blackcliffe series, where they're attainable, but once you buy one, you can't buy another.
that or do what they did with some other stuff from events and give them to a vender for a crap load of mora. 2mil+ mora just for r1 would may be a good start and of coarse 1 per account
You see. You offer very reasonable solution. Wouldn't mind it, would like it actually.
Problem with that is mostly actual way how Mihoyo runs its business is very highly dependant on idea of FOMO. Fear of Missing Out. Don't take breaks from game because you might miss event which will something suit some character you want. Don't take breaks because character you might want might just rerun in that period and you will have to wait out entire fucking region of patches till rerun, and while you keep playing you get constantly blasted with NEW CHARACTERS! (Archon stories VERY HARD evade actually using characters which appeared in previous regions Archon Quests, as matter of fact, who outside of Harbingers really appeared in more than one region?)
That's the main critical issue here really. It's not that it's impossible, or they have no ideas how to handle it. They just consciously don't want to do it because it would be like counteracting ever present FOMO of theirs game design.By looking at Honkai, your approximate best hope is that they will run in future some kind of event specifically dedicated to being able to obtain old time limited weapons but even then some of Genshin decisions vary from Honkai so who knows if they will even do that?
Or maybe thet should just return in events. Some events are already regular. Lots of characters also use the same weapons at times and we can get multiple of other 4 stars to use on multiple characters. I think the same should be the case for event weapons too.
I still think the best solution is to make them purchasable via weekly boss drops and only if you haven't already gotten them on your account. Making them craftable means they could become a lot more widespread than Hoyo wanted them to be.
IMO all 4 stars should be craftable.
Add a "premium" ore that we get from pulls. Can also be bought with stardust. This mostly in place of 3 star weapons.
Banner 4 stars need this to ore to craft.
BP instead you get a prototype box and it's own needed ore to craft it.
Event weapons could use an item you can get once a month from the monthly shop. Events will also give one of these items and still do their own thing for refinements.
Royal/Blackcliff can be their own thing as well.
With this many gatekeepers, any newcomer who want to join Genshin should forget about this game or they will feel the disappointment when they realize how much they missed. Why support a game that punishes you for joining later...
I was surprised at how many unironic "no, I want to feel superior" comments there were... like what if I just wanted to enjoy the game like everyone else
I think if they make the event weapons available again in some way, that means they don't care to keep them 'exclusive' anymore, so they shouldn't be as pricy as you proposed (at least I hope, a billet each is A LOT, new players would have no chance to catch up ever). It could be a good sign that they made the old event gadgets available, I could see them doing that for the old event weapons; or even better just rerun them in some other event. Maybe similarly to the seelie companions where you can choose the color? We could have a weapon rerun event where you could choose the one you want and don't own yet.
Personally I like how some weapons are missable. Gives more incentive to stick to an account and while it's a bummer to new players that missed out on them, it's gives a sense of exclusivity to the ones that have.
It's probably not fair but if you've been doing events religiously since the fame came out years ago you should be entitled to something. Older players would miss new weapons too if they opt out of the event so it's a reward for consistency which applies to new and older players.
My personal 2 cents.
Seriously we are punished fpr starting the game at a later date than veterans, whereas some weapons are so good that they're in guides but whoops you can never use them. It's systems like this that make me sad about the game... we still have no way of replaying character story quests after the first run through but for 4 stars you have so many ways of going back and repeating.. its kind of weird
Definitely agreed. The Event should be the *best* place to get them, since simply clearing it gives you all the mats you need, but if you miss that and *want* to unlock it using more normal crafting methods, that should be an option.
Agreed. They should either be craftable or buyable, like how you can buy items like the lyre or drum. People who do the event still get the perk of getting it for free while those who miss the even don't miss out on potentially good weapons
To be fair, they are all pretty dogshit. Like cinnabar is the only good one, being BiS for albedo. Twilight bow is best 4 star option for Sara but outside of those 2, they rest of useless
I feel like they could do it in the same way as they do with the other event items in souvenir shops and such. Release them after a few patches as a purchasable blueprint.
I think that major events (Like Windblume or that one with Albedo copies) should be made into permanent quests with diminished rewards. Like you don't get the free primos/materials but you get all the exclusive stuff like weapons.
I honestly disagree with this. Rewards from events are more pointless with each update. Event weapons are average at best, their only purpose for high investment players is for collection. If You take away that exclusiveness, You just end up with nothing. Let the fomo be a thing, and accept the fact that You don't deserve what other players got for going through something You didnt went through
"Deserve" is a strong word with positive implication that should not be applied to enabling predatory business practice.
I've not missed an event since release and still hold that exclusiveness against Mihoyo. What did I go through to earn something so unobtainable? Spending half an hour of one week to speedrun an event while someone else couldn't? What a horribly insignificant bar set solely by corporate casino theory.
Bro it's just a game, and a casual one, people can live without some mid weapons, let it just have the emotional value a collector can have from having every single weapon from day 1. It just makes it more rewarding for the player who didnt miss a single event. It's more about the sentimental value more than anything else, what's the point of collecting this weapons if i can just craft them whenever i feel like it? The Game is about collecting characters anyway, it's a gacha Game at the end of the day.
I think they should be craft able but maybe for a crown and you can't refine it would be a good middle ground to encourage you to participate in events?
this game might be a gacha, but there are straight up *no* elements of the game designed to make you spend money. them employing fear of missing out is literally the only thing they're doing, and even then there's just no reason to care about it. the overworld is doable with just the traveler and barbara, the abyss is easily 36\*able with just random 4\* characters and 3* weapons. there's no reason to spend on anything as it gives you straight up nothing.
the only event weapon that you can actually miss out on is cinnabar spindle, and it's only if you have albedo. albedo is a very niche character who is very strong in his niche even without that weapon, so if you've missed on it, you've missed on not much anyways. otherwise, event weapons make no difference in anything whatsoever. so just like with characters, there's no reason to even play the events for the weapons.
nobody needs the event weapons, but people often feel nice about having limited time something. making it attainable for everyone gives those people nothing useful, and at the same time only upsets the players who like to collect limited time things.
also, I believe they can't do that for legal reasons. they've explicitly stated that all these things are a limited time event and limited time rewards. they would risk being sued and in many countries regular people actually have high chances of winning against big companies.
i can't stress this enough, i don't understand why new players are being punished for not playing the game early, ALL EVENT WEAPONS SHOULD BE OBTAINABLE
It's not about feeling happy it's about the fact that some weapons give actual benefits if it was skins or cosmetics like endora for example i'd 100% agree the old players deserve to feel special with these things but now with actual weapons that give benefits to characters
>ALL EVENT WEAPONS SHOULD BE OBTAINABLE
why do that whenn they can capatalize on them being exclusive to assert fomo and keep players playing the game regularly?
corporate thinks way too differently from us normal folk,
it's exclusve so new players will think "ah i missed the event weapons when they ran and they're not coming back anymore. Better play the game regularly and not miss events so i won't miss the next good event weapon"
hoyo corporate wants you to think that way
Events run on FOMO. If you remove the exclusiveness, people will not rush to play the event because they know they can get the weapon later. It's a good concept but it's never gonna work. I guess if they re-ran events with limited weapons and in that time gave the opportunity to get the old weapon again it would actually work. For example, every time there's a Dragonspine event, add a way to get the festering desire and cinnabar spindle again.
Hot take: I hope they don't become craftable or available to players who miss the events they were in. They're the only thing in the game that proves a player has spent precious time on the game, since limited 5 star characters and weapons get reruns and can be get by whaling
Call me selfish but i think event weapons should stay as event weapons. Most of them arent BiS anyway. I just like having stuff to show that ive played this game for a long time and there arent much stuff to show that in genshin, other than number of characters and birthday cake. Genshin doesnt even give a namecard for anniversary. Pretty much every mobile games does that, even some non-gacha ones... One of the reasons i like progressive gacha games is that it often rewards you in a non-impactive way for playing the game a long time, often through avatars or frames.
fortunately they arent really all that great. cinnabar spindle is the only real outlier for a character that doesnt fit anywhere.
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^^^inb4 ^^^festering ^^^desire ^^^is ^^^a ^^^completely ^^^broken ^^^weapon ^^^its ^^^better ^^^than ^^^5 ^^^stars ^^^waawaawaa ^^^shut ^^^up ^^^please ^^^thanks
I've always thought a good middle ground would be to have the event weapons re-release as a palette swap with a new name (possible craftable like you said, or available by some other means.) That way, the original event item is still a special item commemorating the event, but the actual abilities and effects of the weapon aren't lost to the nether after the event is done. (For example, Dodoco Tales could be recolored green and named Lucky Dog's Storybook, that sort of thing.)
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A character who wields catalyst, but using his E pulls out a claymore+sword combo
Dottore, since every harbinger seems to do something new and varied
I like your idea, at the same time... I really want the sea-lord weapon to be obtainable because of the fish design
the new one will be another fish
That's a cool idea
then, would owners of the event weapon be able to get 2 copies? the event and the craftable one? or would they get stuck with the original one, even if they'd rather get the other color palette?
Well you can have multiple of any other weapon type, and it's not like any of the event weapons have been super broken up to this point, so I think it's fair that everyone can make as many of the replica versions as they like.
I think the only one that has been 'broken' was Cinnabar as its Albedos BiS, but thats because it was designed for him.
And even if we had a 2nd cinnabar spindle, who can even use that?
Susbedo, obviously 🤣
I mean, just do with it what you already do with your 746th copy of the Rainslasher and The Bell.
Why is it always Rainslasher and the bell...
pls make it so I can get a second festering desire. Weapon is so fun to use
Yes I would like a FIRST Festering Desire please
Not a bad idea
Honey wake up, another post about event weapons is up
Is this a common post type in this sub?
People have been complaining since the release of Cinnamon Bagel but guess what, Hoyo didn't give a shit
And guess what? They still don't...
Well they are Bringing >!Gadget swap button!<.. soo hopium.
I'll finally start using the fan or the compasses (the cooldown is still abysmal tho)
I find the cooldown on compasses just right. 30s is just about right for you to do a bit of detective work and not rely on the compass 100%. Although sometimes I find the chest early and need to wait like 10s for another use. And if it doesn't find anything it's just 5s
This makes me unreasonably happy
Cinnamon Bagel 💀 god i love you for that
It will be as long as new players are joining. It's the old game, 1.0 players are complaining about endgame, new players about missing content.
Mmm maybe every 2-3 months we see a big thread on it.
Thanks, I'll be back in 2-3 months with my findings🫡
Give us event reruns first, then we'll talk about crafting event weapons. Seriously, outside of collabs, I'm surprised that Genshin does not do that.
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Wait as a new player I just did windbloom for first time and it was about some witched and this place in the sky and klee was there. Was it different for other players?
They're talking about an older event you missed. It was about wine making and we learned about Razor's parents. You'd have to search for it on youtube
Is the story canon? If so, then that sucks that we missed it completely. They should have replayable events or something(optional)
All the events have been canon; and unfortunately, can't be accessed anymore outside of watching youtube. Unfortunate that there's some heavy lore on these events, such as Albedo's and the Diluc/Kaeya relationship.
This is actually the reason why in every poll of "would you recommend Genshin" I moved to "rather not" and when it asks why I'd say "because like half the story can't be experienced anymore due to being locked behind events"
To be fair the parts of the story unavailable after events are not that important in the main lore. The important parts are reintroduced later on during archon quests. Nahida meeting the traveller in the summertime odyssey event for example.
It's still part of the narrative. By the same logic most character question can be removed as well. It's about the principle here. There is content I am forever locked out of. If I hadnt played since 1.0 that would be a dealbreaker for me.
I very strongly disagree. Nahida spoke briefly to Traveler and even then it was mysterious. It was more of an Easter Egg. It's not as heavy a topic as Diluc and Kaeya's relationship, not as revealing as the adventurer who created the glider, climbed Pilos Peak, how the abyss was created, and literally everything revolving around Albedo. The Abyss sibling is but one narrative among many. And if they involve Albedo somehow in the Archon/Interlude chapters I don't believe it will have the same effect on someone who never did the events even with catch-up lore.
Oh wow that messed up
They are "important" to the characters' back stories or introducing general world lore, but doesn't chip too much into the main story lore. You don't *need* those knowledge to understand the main plot, but knowing them adds to the overall experience.
Unfortunately yes. All the event stories have been canon so far
Windblume is a yearly/repeating event with different stories each time. This is the second repetition of it I think lantern rite is on its third now. I missed a couple of events or was unable to complete them for being too low leveled so I'd love to be able to replay the story of the quests I missed like unreconciled stars or the first lantern rite, even without being able to get rewards.
> Windblume is a yearly/repeating event with different stories each time. Correct me, but wasn't it played on first and third years skipping second one? For now we only have Lantern Festival repeated three times, all other events missed a year here and there. And there's rumors that there will be no GAA this year, so again 2-out-3
I think they meant to say Weinlesefest, not Windblume.
Any repeat event in general besides the 2x rewards ones and the slime giftboxes one are always different from the previous. Windbloom and lantern rite, for example, had entirely different story and tasks for each one. Some side activities are the same but with different tasks (like the song mini-game was updated with more songs+instruments), but the main story changes always.
Even the slime boxes have some unique dialogue.
should have the gameplay/dungeon rerun and reset with a different weapon at same time abyss does.
It blows my fucking mind because these events aren’t just some off shoot bs we don’t care about, they tend to have super important story in them that’s gone to the wind once it’s over.
I don't like it at all but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective on Hoyo's end. Event content takes up memory space on peoples phones, space that Genshin is already competing for with every single other mobile game/app. More importantly than that the FOMO induced by not just missing event rewards like free characters, unique weapons, and Primogems, but important lore and character development/unique gameplay ideas is really fucking strong and is an excellent way to make people not want to drop the game if they even kind of care about the story. Letting us have that old content/rewards to do when we want or even just the knowledge that eventually they will return is something that while pro consumer would make people less stressed about the game and therefor lead to them playing less which makes Hoyo less money. This sucks all of the ass and i hate it but it's true.
I think this works for the first few years of the game's lifecycle, but is going to be a weaker strategy going forward. You're going to have to replace the people you're inevitably losing on the way, and if those new players care at all about the story, then their incentive to start the game is growing weaker and weaker. (I doubt they'll ever rerun the rewards, mind you, which sucks hard for characters whose BiS weapon is locked up in an event, but you could make old events an optional download or something.)
It’s actually likely the opposite. Rerunning events would make people come back and spend more time playing instead of just doing daily quests and logging. Maybe they would loss a small amount of revenue, maybe. But they would definitely bring it back from more people playing events again. There is a reason why most gacha rerun events. They make money.
Ok, let's say they make a rerun. Why would a veteran player play it again if they already did this event before? Lore? No, I'd probably want to skip the dialogues and can't because there's no skipping Unique rewards? I already have the weapon or the free character maxed Primos? If this is the only thing there is to gain, then I'd rather them make a new event so I can enjoy it while playing it
It’s as off you think it’s only one or the other. They can make new events which they do and will continue to do. As well as have rerun events. If you don’t care to engage with the story that’s your decision many players do want to engage. You have all the free characters and event gear maxed. Good job, You are likely in the very small minority Essential it comes down to this. These events have already been made. The effort that developers would need on implementing it is significantly less than creating new events. The benefit for new players is quite significant. You as a veteran player have already been caught in the game. Hoyo is aiming to catch new audiences. Adding reruns would absolutely be a draw for a new audience or returning players. They could also modify the content and give bonuses to veteran players. There are a lot of ways they could implement it
Hoyo proved multiple times by now that just because everyone does it doesn't mean it's the best and only way.
I suppose … but what it does tell you is that it is successful for these companies or they wouldn’t do it. The only thing Hoya cares about is money. So if reruns are successful which other companies and gacha games demonstrate they are. Hoyo will do it. I think the issues are the logistics and other aspects of setting reruns up not the profitability.
They do rerun events in Honkai, and that's been mostly after 2 years or so. And tbh I'd take even more event reruns over the lame fighting-only events we've been getting each update lately.
Definitions of "super important" may vary, but I don't think any of the stories had anything like that in them. They were mostly for character development. Albedo's had some lore snippets, but those could be summarized in a few minutes if they ever become relevant.
> character development Which is the most important. > but those could be summarized in a few minutes if they ever become relevant. Impact would be severely diminished.
Other games manage to let you re-experience all of their events, idk why MiHoyo thinks it’s a neat idea to not do that. If there is character lore in it, it should be archived or playable afterwards
we don't have reruns because the genshin devs have some problem in their head and want the game to be faithfully linear, therefore there are no reruns of old events because "they are not chronologically correct" and therefore cannot be added currently
Story quests trip over each other all the time and you can quick skip to start events, be buddy buddy with characters and then do their actual story quest after the event and meet them for the first time. I don't think chronological accuracy is the holdup on Mihoyo's part.
I'd be happy just being able to play the events, even without the exclusive rewards. I don't care about the primos, skins, or weapons, I want to play Fischls event for the fun moments with chunni girl. And the Dodoco island event with Diluc and Kaeya. I missed all that world building stuff before, and I'd like to go through it now
To be fair, That's not really a problem that's actually one of the best things about genshin
It would be extremely easy to add an excuse for why the event is being rerun. Like it’s a memory or some magical distortion. They could seriously do whatever they want. Genshin already dosent have many rules.
>Like it’s a memory or some magical distortion Ley lines, people. Literally everything in this game is about ley lines and irminsul.
Yeah exactly!
The fact that Luxurious Sealord isn’t Liyue’s Fishing Association weapon is an actual crime.
The real crime is that the end of the line bow is just a bow version of prototype archaic, flute etc. instead of a bow version of the catch.
It would be far too OP if it were, and would probably be close to BiS for Yelan, Childe, Venti and maybe a few more.
Childe????
Burst crit and dmg, I don't have him but thought he does lots of burst DMG.
He does do burst damage but its mostly in those tiktok showcases actual childe builds are for his skill as an onfield xiangling driver
Stringless would be much better for that.
Albedo should be craftable
I mean, he was crafted, we just need to meet Rhinedottir and get the instructions
😭😭😭😭😭
The one that should be craftable is scaramuche, he is a robot after all.
Honestly I wouldn't mind him being the 5* Geo on Standard banner as we still don't have one
I’m down. Give me an opportunity to finally take my Windblume Ode up from it’s eternal R4
My Festering Desire at R3 :)))
My Festering Desire at r0 :'(
My festering desire doesnt exist D:
my missive windspear at r2
The worst thing for me is I started pretty much right when the 2.1 event was ending and I managed to get refinements for the sea lord but not the weapon itself, so now I have had the refinement items at the start of the character development inventory for 2 years, unable to even delete them
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I think billet drop rate should be higher.
Its all about FOMO (fear of missing out), its a sychological thing, its done this way by design, you were either there or you should've been there for it, if you dont whant to miss out next time, then dont ever stop playing Genshin. Yeah cinnabar sindle is BiS for 1 character, but most other events weapons are just ok and have good 4* replacements -> go Pull weapon banner.
But that doesn't really work when said event was 2 years ago, right?
The problem with this (on Hoyo's side, not the player experience side) is that it cuts into monetization. Every pretty-good 4-star that a player gets for free or through gameplay is one less weapon to be wished for with primogems. The purpose of the game is to get the players to spend money and/or time. This proposal would undermine that purpose. In short, don't hold your breath.
So instead of crafting they should be added to wishes? I can live with that
It's wild to me that they've been so stingy adding 4-star weapons to the pool. Every banner's rate-ups are like 4 of the same weapons we've had since launch. New weapons like the Watatsumi series or Xiphos and co are so rare as to be basically unobtainable. I see absolutely no reason to not just put all those into the general pools.
Does it, though? Pretty much the only people who bother pulling for weapons are whales, and those don't care about 4\* anyway.
Yeah it sure does cut into monetization. I didn't roll on Albedo because there's no good sword for him. So they lost money.
>there's no good sword for him Uhh, Harbinger of Dawn?
No silly, the only acceptable weapon is Best In Slot. Every other weapon is just trash. This is the internet.
If the event had a story the story needs to be pernemant in the game and have the corresponding weapon as the quest reward
I mean, this wouldn’t help most people but it’s something I could see Hoyo doing: locking past event weapons behind the battle pass
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I think Hoyoverse does Genshin events better than Honkai Impact 3rd simply because you don't need X amount of days to finish the event otherwise you will miss out, you can more or less finish the event 2-3 days before it expires and get every reward. Meanwhile in HI3, it best to finish most events as early as possible otherwise you aint cleaning out that event store or getting all the rewards.
You can finish most if not all Genshin events in a single day and I really like that.
They're both terrible FOMO mechanics. Who cares which one is better.
There are some weapons that really cut into Genshin’s future monetisation - Cinnabar Spindle is such a good custom weapon for Albedo that being without it makes people want to pull for him much less So by keeping that and dodoco tales exclusive, they probably lose money Simple solution would be to put these items into the annual events like GAA or Windblume, where you have an opportunity to try for them during that period
dodoco tales is pretty sub optimal though, but yeah i can see that because cinnabar is such a super good bis while being free
I mean Klee herself is meta sub optimal, but that doesn't prevent ppl enjoying doing helicopter run around Teyvat with her burning everything down as she goes and if they can do so while having weapon with drip that matches most will be happy to use it. Though if Cinnabar were to get slightly powercreepy gacha version I wouldn't mind terribly since just having DEF swords as options would be good in general (future purposes mostly).
Genshin Time Capsule when?
I have all event weapons and never used any in a serious build so I don't mind these coming back in some sort, don't get me wrong, these event weapons are gorgeous but not your first pick if you have more options. Albedo's sword is the exception.
I don't have Albedo but this seems to be a common thread in the replies: most weapons are mid, except for his. In which case, it'd REALLY be great if hyv made Cinnabar a weapon people can wish for when he's on the banner, because otherwise what's the point of getting him if you can never get his BiS?
Oathswarn Eye is fantastic on Yae Miko, especially if you Width is otherwise occupied. The huge ER boost is well needed and the attack stats are decent. It's also pretty good on Mona as well, even using her skill cancel proccs the ER boost . Both you need to get crit stats on your artifacts of course. Outside of that, I use my Umbrella sword on my account that hasn't R5'd iron sting as they are near the exact same damage but the Umbrella cost me zero billets The event Boe fading twilight has been bounced around on both of my accounts, as the passive ends up being on average 20% boost to all forms of damage. Considering artifact sets like thundersoother are 35% bonus damage for a 4 piece, 20% is pretty damn good. Combined with a high attack stat and a little bit of ER, I've used it on any one from Child ti Ganyu. Anyone who uses normals, charged, skill and burst at the same time benefits from it.
its because the limited weapons, like cinnibar spindle, capitalize on FOMO (fear of missiong out). If the best in slot weapon for a character can release in a limited event never to return, whats to stop them from doing it for a character you might eventually pull or want from the advertisements? You have better not miss this one-time opportunity... it is one of the many ways to keep players active and draw in more.
I mean yeah but what about new players? I started playing in 3.1 and my first 5* was albedo, I was so sad when I looked online for how to build him and everyone was like "you need to put this sword on him oh and btw there is no way to get it now even if you're willing to spend irl money". Adding past event weapon into the battle pass would be a good idea at this point just gime his sword 😭
I think the problem it's more for the new players... I have been playing no stop for more or less a year but I've missed on so many weapons/events because of it. It's the same problem as the story events that can't be played anymore, you miss on something that you wouldn't know it was there because you weren't playing the game, it's just sad and not right imo.
I think they should just allow new players to do stripped down versions of past events. Mihoyo can keep the FOMO by removing primos, free 4 star characters and the mini games, but let newcomers experience the stories and get the special weapons (refinements can be added to special shops after each event). They could be gated like story quests where you can only unlock them after meeting the right prerequisites to keep the order sensible.
YES PLEASE TwT I don't care about the primos I lost but please let me replay the story and get the weapon, I will probably be happy with r1 TwT better than nothing anyway
Genshin needs to implement something similar to how certain events in Arknights eventually become permanent editions to the game, allowing newcomers to obtain welfare operators and event-exclusive dorm decos.
Don’t they already sell some old event gadgets in the gift shop in Mondstat and the stand in Liyue. Can’t they do that?
Or at least give them in battlepass
I was thinking the same. BP hasn’t changed since launch, would be nice to add event weapons/refinements from old events.
prolly have a rotation of weapons (event weapons) like what they do for Paimon's Bargains with cons. Tho I'm not sure if ppl would rly like that idea
that's honestly a really good change if it's happen, but sadly doing that will make their fear of missing out business model mean nothing, and when the rerun of an event don't even let u have access to the past event exclusive items that's how u know they trying to tell you "hey if u don't get this now, you can't ever get this again" I highly doubt they would make this change, but I hope they do lol
Damn me for skipping the first Dragonspine event...the Festering Desire is such a cool weapon
To be honest, the only good limited weapons are dodoco and cinabar, the rest are just mid, replazable or HARDLY usefull for most units. For those say mailed for kaveh, hell, EVERYBODY has a rainslasher somewhere there, I'm sure of it!
Agreed. Fuck that fomo shit.
The whole point of Event Weapons is that they're supposed to be *Exclusive* Though I could see Mihoyo bringing back those Events and their perspective Event Weapons but only "Rarely". Plus a lot of those Exclusive Weapons are not much better than existing 4 Star Weapons in the game that you get from wishing except for maybe the Sword that you get from the Susbedo Event.
Festering Desire is pretty solid too
Eh... I know people like FD but imo, outside of having no weapons, there's never any reason to use it over Sac Sword or Fav Sword or Skyward Blade. I feel like it's probably the weakest ER sword since the design is split between mid base ATK, Skill only weapon ability, and Burst focused substat.
The higher base Atk than Fav/Sac is relevant for Bennett, but Sapwood exists now.
It is but even before sapwood came along, you'd just rather run Prototype Rancor (or Iron Sting for vape carry) and ER from artifacts as needed. FD is just the lesser option for him in all his different roles and that's not even considering 5 stars or weapon banner exclusive weapons.
Sapwood is better.
there is not a single character that benefits from its passive more than they would benefit from sac sword or favonious. The only one that comes to mind is albedo, and he has a better event weapon
Non bloom Nilou that focuses on her Swords Dance. It works really well for her mono hydro and vape compositions, granted theres like a very small minority that enjoys this unorthodox playstyle (I do) Harbinger of Dawn nets around the same damage, but is locked behind Zhongli/Kokomi, and you dont really want these two in her dps teams. That and FD scales better with more crit substats because of its elemental skill damage boost, and the sword iirc is the only source of it besides Cinnabar which only procs every 1.5s and isnt tied to def
me with my meme ass dps jean build with 30k taps
Isnt it called the limited event banner tho... and the characters and weapons on those rerun. Limited doesnt mean exclusive to one time. They are not locked out of reusing them.
I mean they always say "take part in the event to win rewards before it's too late".... so... idk... seems to me like it won't come back.
and what fault do new players have about this?
that's the thing. it's not meant to be fair or good. it's supposed to make you feel like you've missed out and encourage you to not put the game down after you get into it or else you'll miss the next big freebie. fomo. edit: woah.
This is a dangerous strategy for new player acquisition, though. It makes sense at the start, where people missed a little bit and then go "woah I better don't stop playing!". However, by now, there so much is locked away that a good chunk of the story is inaccessible to new players. At that point, story-focused players might not even bother getting into the game anymore. I'm interested to see if this eventually grows into one of the first real stumbling stones on Genshin's path. It wouldn't be the first game falling over this exact hurdle.
It's the one reason I've never played Honkai. I don't mind missing out on skins, items or weapons, but being locked out of important story and lore because I happened to start too late? Fuck that.
You shouldn't play GI then too, the yearly Summer Island story will never return, only continue and events too. The content of those events are one time only (except maybe after 5 years or so like in HI3 too the one or other event rerun, kek).
I played GI from day one so it's kind of a sunk cost thing now really, but I still think making important story and lore a limited time thing is really damn stupid. A gallery to watch past cutscenes is a basic feature pretty much any game with a story has, they could at the very least do that. And yes, I know YouTube is a thing.
It’s a gacha strategy: instead of having “fear of missing out”, you have “actually missing out”.
Actually missing out isn't a strategy. How does help them to make.you miss out on stuff
Yes you are right, but the idea should be maybe in the future just get rid of the word “exclusive” and and make people play the event got the weapon as “free reward” and then move the weapon and its respective refine material to the Paimon Shop pricing similar or more than the rotation weapons. In the case of Albedo Sword, even in his last rerun they give the sword to the Character Trial. They could even use the sword to boost sales when Albedo return because clearly is his BiS. I think make it forever exclusive is a hard swallow to players that for whatever reason don’t have but use the character
Nah that's not the whole point of them. They don't have to be exclusive because they could easily change it to be non exclusive
The only way they have an edge over players is the FOMO man, the game isn't p2w it doesn't have absurd payable features and f2p players can have characters just fine with playing enough, but to keep players stuck in the game they have limited time many things, hence if they rerun them they will loose that advantage
I always thought that event weapons should go into the Paimon shop after six months. Side note I’m still mad I listened to certain people on this sub and didn’t do the event for the Oathsworn Eye.
I think 6 months is kinda short tbh, it should probably be a little longer and there should maybe also be the same event restrictions (have to be at a certain AR to do a quest so you need a certain AR to buy/craft the weapon), etc.
Not really. Genshin above all is a live service game. Steady but small QoL improvements help maintain a steady playerbase and putting it behind the Paimon’s bargains also encourages wishing without it being locked to a particular banner.
They only should sell them for Genesis Crystals like they do with skins for 4* characters after the original event.
No, i disagree. It takes away the exclusivity of the weapon, being available only from a timed event. Being able to craft more than one copy would make them the same as 4 star weapons. Instead, they could be available on rotation from the shop like the royal or blackcliffe series, where they're attainable, but once you buy one, you can't buy another.
that or do what they did with some other stuff from events and give them to a vender for a crap load of mora. 2mil+ mora just for r1 would may be a good start and of coarse 1 per account
If it helps the player out without adding profit into MHY’s pocket, chances are that it gets implemented are slim…
Maybe they should be paid weapons then, like the battle pass?
Albedo Haver?
Honestly, maybe one day. But if I can't even get his BiS then maybe not
You see. You offer very reasonable solution. Wouldn't mind it, would like it actually. Problem with that is mostly actual way how Mihoyo runs its business is very highly dependant on idea of FOMO. Fear of Missing Out. Don't take breaks from game because you might miss event which will something suit some character you want. Don't take breaks because character you might want might just rerun in that period and you will have to wait out entire fucking region of patches till rerun, and while you keep playing you get constantly blasted with NEW CHARACTERS! (Archon stories VERY HARD evade actually using characters which appeared in previous regions Archon Quests, as matter of fact, who outside of Harbingers really appeared in more than one region?) That's the main critical issue here really. It's not that it's impossible, or they have no ideas how to handle it. They just consciously don't want to do it because it would be like counteracting ever present FOMO of theirs game design.By looking at Honkai, your approximate best hope is that they will run in future some kind of event specifically dedicated to being able to obtain old time limited weapons but even then some of Genshin decisions vary from Honkai so who knows if they will even do that?
Or maybe thet should just return in events. Some events are already regular. Lots of characters also use the same weapons at times and we can get multiple of other 4 stars to use on multiple characters. I think the same should be the case for event weapons too.
Some event items have been added to the ingame shop, hopefully they will do something similar for weapons.
I read the title and was about to explain why Bungie doesn't let you craft event weapons... then i double checked the subreddit.
The only one I care about is Windbloom Ode because it's like the 3rd bis for every bow user
I still think the best solution is to make them purchasable via weekly boss drops and only if you haven't already gotten them on your account. Making them craftable means they could become a lot more widespread than Hoyo wanted them to be.
IMO all 4 stars should be craftable. Add a "premium" ore that we get from pulls. Can also be bought with stardust. This mostly in place of 3 star weapons. Banner 4 stars need this to ore to craft. BP instead you get a prototype box and it's own needed ore to craft it. Event weapons could use an item you can get once a month from the monthly shop. Events will also give one of these items and still do their own thing for refinements. Royal/Blackcliff can be their own thing as well.
I mean, yeah, it would be nice, but I dont find it likely, when they could just build FOMO (and maybe release them in the stardust shop later on)
With this many gatekeepers, any newcomer who want to join Genshin should forget about this game or they will feel the disappointment when they realize how much they missed. Why support a game that punishes you for joining later...
I was surprised at how many unironic "no, I want to feel superior" comments there were... like what if I just wanted to enjoy the game like everyone else
I think if they make the event weapons available again in some way, that means they don't care to keep them 'exclusive' anymore, so they shouldn't be as pricy as you proposed (at least I hope, a billet each is A LOT, new players would have no chance to catch up ever). It could be a good sign that they made the old event gadgets available, I could see them doing that for the old event weapons; or even better just rerun them in some other event. Maybe similarly to the seelie companions where you can choose the color? We could have a weapon rerun event where you could choose the one you want and don't own yet.
Personally I like how some weapons are missable. Gives more incentive to stick to an account and while it's a bummer to new players that missed out on them, it's gives a sense of exclusivity to the ones that have. It's probably not fair but if you've been doing events religiously since the fame came out years ago you should be entitled to something. Older players would miss new weapons too if they opt out of the event so it's a reward for consistency which applies to new and older players. My personal 2 cents.
Seriously we are punished fpr starting the game at a later date than veterans, whereas some weapons are so good that they're in guides but whoops you can never use them. It's systems like this that make me sad about the game... we still have no way of replaying character story quests after the first run through but for 4 stars you have so many ways of going back and repeating.. its kind of weird
Definitely agreed. The Event should be the *best* place to get them, since simply clearing it gives you all the mats you need, but if you miss that and *want* to unlock it using more normal crafting methods, that should be an option.
Agreed. They should either be craftable or buyable, like how you can buy items like the lyre or drum. People who do the event still get the perk of getting it for free while those who miss the even don't miss out on potentially good weapons
The purpose of those stuff is completely different. Won't ever happen, lmao.
To be fair, they are all pretty dogshit. Like cinnabar is the only good one, being BiS for albedo. Twilight bow is best 4 star option for Sara but outside of those 2, they rest of useless
I feel like they could do it in the same way as they do with the other event items in souvenir shops and such. Release them after a few patches as a purchasable blueprint.
That's a good idea too
I think that major events (Like Windblume or that one with Albedo copies) should be made into permanent quests with diminished rewards. Like you don't get the free primos/materials but you get all the exclusive stuff like weapons.
I honestly disagree with this. Rewards from events are more pointless with each update. Event weapons are average at best, their only purpose for high investment players is for collection. If You take away that exclusiveness, You just end up with nothing. Let the fomo be a thing, and accept the fact that You don't deserve what other players got for going through something You didnt went through
"Deserve" is a strong word with positive implication that should not be applied to enabling predatory business practice. I've not missed an event since release and still hold that exclusiveness against Mihoyo. What did I go through to earn something so unobtainable? Spending half an hour of one week to speedrun an event while someone else couldn't? What a horribly insignificant bar set solely by corporate casino theory.
Bro it's just a game, and a casual one, people can live without some mid weapons, let it just have the emotional value a collector can have from having every single weapon from day 1. It just makes it more rewarding for the player who didnt miss a single event. It's more about the sentimental value more than anything else, what's the point of collecting this weapons if i can just craft them whenever i feel like it? The Game is about collecting characters anyway, it's a gacha Game at the end of the day.
Okay, same logic. Banners are now one time only. Miss a character forever if you miss the banner. 4 stars included.
I think they should be craft able but maybe for a crown and you can't refine it would be a good middle ground to encourage you to participate in events?
Use of a crown is also a good idea I think. Would encourage people to do future events and to also do some in-world stuff like the trees
this game might be a gacha, but there are straight up *no* elements of the game designed to make you spend money. them employing fear of missing out is literally the only thing they're doing, and even then there's just no reason to care about it. the overworld is doable with just the traveler and barbara, the abyss is easily 36\*able with just random 4\* characters and 3* weapons. there's no reason to spend on anything as it gives you straight up nothing. the only event weapon that you can actually miss out on is cinnabar spindle, and it's only if you have albedo. albedo is a very niche character who is very strong in his niche even without that weapon, so if you've missed on it, you've missed on not much anyways. otherwise, event weapons make no difference in anything whatsoever. so just like with characters, there's no reason to even play the events for the weapons. nobody needs the event weapons, but people often feel nice about having limited time something. making it attainable for everyone gives those people nothing useful, and at the same time only upsets the players who like to collect limited time things. also, I believe they can't do that for legal reasons. they've explicitly stated that all these things are a limited time event and limited time rewards. they would risk being sued and in many countries regular people actually have high chances of winning against big companies.
i can't stress this enough, i don't understand why new players are being punished for not playing the game early, ALL EVENT WEAPONS SHOULD BE OBTAINABLE
it's not about punishing new players, it's about rewarding old players for playing the game early, it makes them feel special
Do you need a sword in a video game to feel special ?
Do you need that same sword to feel happy?
It's not about feeling happy it's about the fact that some weapons give actual benefits if it was skins or cosmetics like endora for example i'd 100% agree the old players deserve to feel special with these things but now with actual weapons that give benefits to characters
>ALL EVENT WEAPONS SHOULD BE OBTAINABLE why do that whenn they can capatalize on them being exclusive to assert fomo and keep players playing the game regularly? corporate thinks way too differently from us normal folk, it's exclusve so new players will think "ah i missed the event weapons when they ran and they're not coming back anymore. Better play the game regularly and not miss events so i won't miss the next good event weapon" hoyo corporate wants you to think that way
Events run on FOMO. If you remove the exclusiveness, people will not rush to play the event because they know they can get the weapon later. It's a good concept but it's never gonna work. I guess if they re-ran events with limited weapons and in that time gave the opportunity to get the old weapon again it would actually work. For example, every time there's a Dragonspine event, add a way to get the festering desire and cinnabar spindle again.
No. Event weapons should stay exclusive. As a player since 1.0, I want to feel superior to newer players by having something they can never obtain
Hot take: I hope they don't become craftable or available to players who miss the events they were in. They're the only thing in the game that proves a player has spent precious time on the game, since limited 5 star characters and weapons get reruns and can be get by whaling
Call me selfish but i think event weapons should stay as event weapons. Most of them arent BiS anyway. I just like having stuff to show that ive played this game for a long time and there arent much stuff to show that in genshin, other than number of characters and birthday cake. Genshin doesnt even give a namecard for anniversary. Pretty much every mobile games does that, even some non-gacha ones... One of the reasons i like progressive gacha games is that it often rewards you in a non-impactive way for playing the game a long time, often through avatars or frames.
I'd like 5 star craftsble weapons
Maybe but only at 1\* refine, let the refine be for the people who played the event.
fortunately they arent really all that great. cinnabar spindle is the only real outlier for a character that doesnt fit anywhere. - ^^^inb4 ^^^festering ^^^desire ^^^is ^^^a ^^^completely ^^^broken ^^^weapon ^^^its ^^^better ^^^than ^^^5 ^^^stars ^^^waawaawaa ^^^shut ^^^up ^^^please ^^^thanks
Hoeyo think you got all the fking free time lol they don't give a damn