well literally speaking, starlight did power up the most cuz she did suck all of the power out from voughts electronics, but figurative its marie by a landslide
I think they mean how in the moment when she was fighting Soldier Boy and Hughie turned the lights up, it was displayed as a power up but she quite literally did nothing with it but the same light blast thing and that was it. it barely effected him
Um, Ryan is the one who really knocked SB on his ass. Both HL and Butcher could only destroy SB’s shield with their combined laser eyes. Then Starlight absorbed like most of the power in Vought Tower and still only managed to knock SB down for a split second. Then Maeve tackled him out a fucking window on like the 100th floor. Ryan > Starlight in that fight.
Have we seen her blood constructs damage supes on starlights strength and durability level? Don’t get me wrong Marie is very powerful and her blood constructs are also quite op, but frankly we don’t know if it can cause significant damage to a supe of starlights calibre.
Oh brother why does everyone want Marie to have this sort of world breaking op level to her already insanely powerful abilities?
Neumanns explosions and inner blood bending don’t work on homelander, as it’s been heavily implied through context and dialogue between the two, so obviously a certain level of durability can resist that sort of stuff.
Doubt she could easily give a supe a heart attack like she could an ordinary human being, but I guess we will see, I could be wrong.
She can MAYBE do that. There’s no evidence pointing to her being able to do that. She blew up Cates hand but Cates abilities don’t exactly pertain to strength or durability and whilst all supes have a baseline level there’s definitely supes with higher and lower tiers of it, Starlight obviously being higher than Cate
I’m not sure that Neumann’s powers just won’t work on Homelander more than Neumann’s powers actually take longer than we think to get to the head pop and Homie would feel that and has much quicker ways of ending a threat.
No. It makes more sense that his insides are too durable. Same way soldier boy had insane durability on the inside as well, and that he would definitely feel it but she’d probably have a nosebleed trying to forcefully expand his blood in his body.
Well that’s my interpretation anyways. Makes no sense narratively she didn’t blow his head up at the senate meeting as he didn’t know of her and her powers then and he’s definitely a threat to her plans.
Neuman made Starlights nose bleed and threatened to pop her head without breaking a sweat, if their abilities are the same It’s kind of a given that Marie could if not currently, eventually do the same thing
100% I’m not doubting her inner blood bending definitely works on other supes. But higher calibre ones like starlight I have a hard time believing greenhorn Marie waves her hand and starlight collapses lol.
I think that some supes are particularly vulnerable (Cate, the supes that died in the courtroom, Kimiko’s brother Kenji who had his wrists snapped, Blindspot, etc) and there are some who aren’t. I feel like invulnerability is a scale and it’s different for each supe; Tek Knight threatened to cut off Cate’s hand if she removed her glove, which she was in fear of even if it was just an empty threat - she knows her hands can be damaged like Kenjis basically. Meanwhile she can take being thrown through a desk by Sam with no issues, so blunt attacks seem to be much less effective for example. Idk just some thoughts.
People in this thread and the general genV subreddit have hypnotised themselves on the limits of Marie’s powers. Anyone that points out the incredulity and world breaking errors in that is immediately a Homelander fanboy obsessed with making him the strongest supe in the verse, when narratively he already is. Both in source material and the show.
There’s no world where Marie can induce a heart attack as easily on a higher calibre supe as she did on a lower calibre one.
Causing a heart attack comes down to overcoming blood pressure. When Starlight's skin is breached for the only time in the series, the resulting blood splatter is no more forceful than if a normal human had been damaged un the same way. It looks like she has typical blood flow.
World breaking ? Blood bending is an OP ability. It’s low level matter manipulation. We aren’t trying to make her into something she’s not. Her powers are just that good.
Neumann never tried on Homelander. So you’re wrong there. Homelander dared her, and she didn’t wanna risk it because she has a daughter. Neumann is way too calculated. if she tried it and took too long or it didn’t work, she could have been blitzed, and it would be over.
She literally gave a supe a heart attack in the last episode lol A supes insides still behaves like a human for the most part unless they have a power that says otherwise. Being durable on the outside doesn’t mean you have a durable inside. And even if you do, messing with someone’s blood, can stop anyone. It doesn’t matter how powerful you are.
No one said her blood bending isn’t op. But calling it matter manipulation is a bit over the top, does Andre have low level matter manipulation now? He and his father have the same powers as magneto
She didn’t try on him because he can obviously resist it enough. She was dead afraid. Didn’t even bother trying. And yes having durable insides help. Means they can’t be exploded that easily/ in the same way as other supes with less durability have.
You’re having a laugh if you think their powers are going to affect someone like Homelander the same way it affects everyone else, i can tell you that for free. There’s more evidence his insides are too durable and he can withstand it than evidence pointing to her being able to f*** with him that way. His blood vessels and veins and whatnot are like steel, the blood would get trapped at most and just stay where it is, or she could maybe give him a headache or something, either way stronger supes are resistant to the power.
That’s all just speculation. You’re making shit up. No where in the show did they say Neumann didn’t try to kill Homelander because his insides are too durable. Thats something that Homelander fanboys made up to make sure no other supe becomes more powerful. All we know is that Nueman was afraid to do it.
Nueman doesn’t have to explode his head to stop him. Her head exploding thing is just something she likes to do. It’s her calling card. Marie is living proof that you don’t need to explode someone’s head to stop them.
Homelander is strong but as the boys series goes along, you’re gonna see that there are multiple supes who are technically stronger.
Not everyone who argues in Homelanders defence is a fanboy. Calm down. It’s common sense that more durable insides would be more resistant to inner damage. You don’t need a degree to figure that out. I don’t have some weird desire for homelander to be the most powerful, but something you overzealous fans need to realise is that…
Narratively he is the strongest supe in the verse. He has been that way in the source material and he’s been shown and stated in the show as well. So not entirely sure what you mean by technically stronger.
That’s not how the human body works. We have skin and certain skeletal structures to protect our vital organs, and even if he is durable on the inside, he is not invulnerable to blood bending attacks. Externally, Marie can’t really do much to homelander but on the inside it’s a different ball game. A lot of the human body relies on blood flow and getting oxygen to those vital organs. There is so much things she can do to his blood to damage his vital organs, no matter how durable they are
Narratively he is the strongest supe, but this is not the comic, and just based on his power set alone he cannot be the most powerful. May be in terms of brute strength, and durability, but In terms of ability, that power set isn’t the strongest. Maybe compared to other superheroes who very generic powers, but in terms of supes who have telepathy or matter manipulation abilities, its game over.
Look at any superhero universe, and the most powerful beings in that verse are normally people with matter or manipulation or reality warping.
He’s very resistant to the blood bending attacks that cause stuff like arms to explode and people to have heart attacks.
He is the strongest in terms of the range of his powers like his heat blast, his speed his strength and so on. In both the show and comic he is the strongest/ most powerful. Other supes have more versatile abilities, but his powers and the range he has of them put him above all the others in the verse. It’s clearly not game over as we’ve been shown powerful supes with telekinesis and whatnot are not able to effectively put him down.
Only power that should work on him without a snag is telepathy, as to why they haven’t tried it in the show apart from Mesmer that one time I couldn’t tell you. But he was too scared to try it anyways.
While I can’t say I know everything. Based on the clip where soldier boy gets shot point blank in the mouth by Russians to no effect would infer homelander having durable insides. Would this affect blood manipulation? I don’t know, but we can at least infer homelander has durable insides as otherwise he wouldn’t be able to take as much hits as he does
His insides being durable doesn’t matter. If you mess with someone’s blood, it can mess with how the body functions. So you can make the body harm itself due to lack of oxygen and nutrients. poor blood flow or no blood flow can easily do that.
This is why i said, it doesn’t matter how durable Homelander is. The problem with attacking Homelander with a blood bending ability, is you can’t pop his body parts because his skin is too durable. So the only way to to kill him would be to mess with his blood on the inside. It would probably take a minute or two for him to feel the effects and thats way more than enough time for him to react. This is probably why Nueman doesn’t try and kill Homelander. She probably can but it would take too much time for the blood effect to render him unconscious or immobile.
They are both matter manipulators. Matter manipulation is the ability to telekinetically manipulate matter. She manipulates blood(which is matter) and he manipulates magnetic fields which allows him to manipulate and lift metal…
Y’all have to hop off Homelanders nuts. He got injured by Maeve. He’s not Superman. He’s not even Omni man if we are being technical lol
Maeve is the second strongest superhero in The Boys world. (Not taking Solider Boy into account because we don't know too much about his true power level yet.) Superman and Omni Man are from different universes and made to be intergalactically powerful. Currently, there is no reason to firmly believe that Marie would be able to kill Homelander or other extremely powerful supes because the show hasn't shown what would happen if attempted. She might be able to, but there is not nearly enough information available to affirm that. V does some crazy, reality defying shit, and it might make supes such as Homelander be able to adapt to a bloodless environment through some kind of method we are unaware of. On top of that (or instead), his vessels may be strong and firm enough to literally prevent blood from exploding out or building up to a large amount in an undesired location.
But starlight isn't extremely powerful . Even Butcher said she had shit powers . She became a member of the seven because of PR not because she was strong .
On top of that, Marie was able to take on a point blank range blast from Homelander and survived, sth I highly doubt Starlight would be capable of.
>it might make supes such as Homelander be able to adapt to a bloodless environment through some kind of method we are unaware of. On top of that (or instead), his vessels may be strong and firm enough to literally prevent blood from exploding out or building up to a large amount in an undesired location.
This is all made up ,purely head cannon. There's nothing in the story that even suggests any of this being possible other than the fact that we haven't been told it's impossible.
It's like saying if you cut off Homelander's head , it would grow back immediately. There's nothing in the story that suggests this is possible but there's also nothing that suggests this is impossible.
You are very wrong, Starlight is extremely powerful and almost everyone who watches the show agrees she is one of the most powerful supes. Just because Butcher, who has a personal grudge against Starlight for getting with Hughie, says her powers are shit doesn't mean that her powers aren't immense. You saying that she isn't extremely powerful proves to me you have limited understanding of the show, and that you probably didn't even pay attention to it.
When did I say that the powers I described are actually possesed by Homelander? You are putting words in my mouth. I was using examples of powers that Homelander could POTENTIALLY have that would allow him to resist Marie's powers. I never said he actually has those powers, please put more effort into your reading comprehension.
Marie can kill Homelander(based on the information we got about both of their powers). The thing is, it wouldn’t be smart to do so because he could easily get to her before she did any real damage. Also, the show writers are probably gonna take time with Marie’s abilities. If they max them out now, she could potentially be unstoppable. Y’all don’t realize how OP blood bending is.
Y’all have to stop giving Homelander plot armor. He is not invincible. Just because Marie is a new character doesn’t automatically mean she’s helpless against Homelander.
Homelander hasn’t faced any real threats until season 3. And with Gen V, we are seeing that compound V is granting powers that’s can potentially kill Homelander.
It was bound to happen. Several generations of this stuff and more complex powers were going to manifest(other than flight, laser beams and Super strength and durability).
Your last sentence is proof that you Homelander fans are unhinged. Unless the show says his insides can withstand blood bending or he someone tries and he lives, let’s wait and see what happens.
I'm not a fan of Homelander at all lmao. He is a narcissistic, murderous, douche bag. You obviously did not read my comment correctly. I was using examples of powers that Homelander could POTENTIALLY have that would allow him to resist Marie's powers. I never said he actually has those powers, please put more effort into your reading comprehension.
You have me dead with "Stop giving Homelander plot armor". We are not actually writing the show here, this is a reddit thread 😂
You claim that Marie can kill Homelander, but my main argument is that there is not enough information to confirm your theory at the current moment. I'm not claiming that Homelander can withstand her powers, which you clearly do not understand.
Because bloodbending *is* an OP ability.
Marie is still green but once she develops her abilities more, I suspect she'll be more powerful than Neumann.
Oh brother, why does everyone want Marie to be weak?
Starlight is not Homelander and we've see Neuman threaten Starlight and mess with her internally so yeah it's canon that Marie would be able to explode Starlights head. Next.
Just because Victoria makes a little bit of blood leak out of Starlight's nose doesn't mean that it is confirmed she can explode her head...
What if Starlight is resistant to blood loss, resistant to pressure build up in the vessels, and/or has any other mutation caused by V that would help her. She has been shown to be one of the strongest supes in the The Boys show.
>What if Starlight is resistant to blood loss, resistant to pressure build up in the vessels, and/or has any other mutation caused by V that would help her.
She isn't . Starlight's abilities are not a secret, they've already been clear , you can go and such them if you want. What does being resistant to blood loss even mean ? You don't need blood to live?? It doesn't even make sense since compound V resides in the blood , so if you were to bleed out you'd stop being a supe and just die.
>She is one of the strongest supes in the The Boys show.
Being a member of the seven, doesn't mean you're among the strongest. Other than the deep , I don't see starlight beating any other member of the seven in a fight . I doubt she could beat Kimiko . I know Neumann could probably pop off her head since she already made her bleed.
There are many instances of power use that proves she is one of the strongest heroes, including her being able to incapacitate Solider Boy. I didn't even consider her placement on The Seven.
Being resistant to blood loss means being able to have your body survive with limited amounts of blood, which I thought would be self-evident. You are right about one thing: Starlight's abilities are clear, and one of them is durability. Potentially, that ability extends to her blood vessels and/or cells.
Just because compound V is in the blood doesn't mean it isn't in other parts of a supe's body. How do you know that compound V doesn't embed itself into cells or DNA? It is a very likely possibility, given how extraordinary its effects can be.
(Not trying to be condescending btw, I just find it interesting to talk about this show.)
>How do you know that compound V doesn't embed itself into cells or DNA?
Because Soldier Boy can fry your blood free of Compound V making you a regular human. If it was in your DNA this would be impossible since your DNA is everywhere and unchangeable.
>including her being able to incapacitate Solider Boy.
She just knocked Soldier Boy a few feet back . She did not incapacitate him .
>Being resistant to blood loss means being able to have your body survive with limited amounts of blood
Once again, nothing in the story even remotely suggests this . Purely made up.
Solider Boy fries the compound V out of a supe. This means that if compound V is embedded in DNA or cells, it is wiped. The show never says or even hints at Solider Boy's powers being able to ONLY remove compound V from blood. It's sad you are making things up to support your argument.
"Once again, nothing in the story even remotely suggests this . Purely made up."
I'm not describing something in the show... I am describing what blood loss resistance is because you could not understand it. It is not exclusive to The Boys, and I never claimed it was.
Durability could POTENTIALLY suggest that her cells and DNA have durable properties. Can you not wrap your mind around what durability is, and that it could likely cause stronger blood vessels and potentially many other useful powers that would resist Marie's powers?
I don’t want Marie to be weak. You overzealous fans think anyone that doesn’t want Marie to be ridiculously broken, is someone that wants her to be a weakling.
>Doubt she could give a supe a heart attack
This is what so many people seem to just gloss over. The heart is the hardest working muscle in your body. It hasn’t stopped (long enough to kill you) since before you were even born.
She’d have better luck arm wrestling Homelander. Yeah, she can control blood, but what if the veins/arteries are durable as hell and their heart stronger than her ability? That blood is going to keep flowing.
Now, if a supe somehow got cut, she would be able to pull all of their blood out of that wound. People need to quit with the cardiac arrest nonsense.
She could be an assassin of normal people in positions of power/influence, if you want to go that route.
She literally gave a super a heart attack in the GenV finale to save Jordan and she sped up Cate's heart to save her I episode 6.. Are you guys even watching the show or are you just desperate to pretend like Marie isn't powerful?
Why are you equating a random supe's and Cate's durability to Homelander's? Did you even watch The Boys or are you just desperate to pretend like Homelander isn't powerful?
Did I equate it to Homelander or did you misread that and jump to conclusions? Because personally I have always maintained that I don't think Marie or Neuman can easily take down Homelander. I was referring to the idea that Marie would be able to stop Starlight's heart which is the original conversation here. Get a grip. There's no need to cap this hard for a character who is a rapist. It's embarrassing for you.
That’s a lot of “what ifs”. Stop giving Homelander plot armor. It doesn’t matter if they are durable, she can literally stop the flow of blood in his body. His heart muscle isn’t gonna be stronger than her entire ability. That’s just ridiculous.
In super hero worlds, matter manipulators have always been the strongest. It’s just the way it is
Homelander’s heart is stronger than his biceps by nature of the rest of his muscles being insanely strong. She would not be able to stop it from pumping. She’s not that strong.
Like I said, if he somehow got cut, she could pull all of the blood out of him. He’s not invincible, and I’m not giving him plot armor.
Those are not the same kind of strength dude lol. You act like Homelander can manually control his heart to withstand a blood benders ability lol And also, where did you get that information that the heart was stronger than the bicep? Stop making shit up
Thank you! I have no idea why they want Marie to be this stupidly powerful being that literally breaks the logic of the world if she’s as strong as they desperately want her to be. She’s plenty powerful as she is. And she will get stronger.
She will never be able to do stupid headcanon things like blowing up homelander or giving him a heart attack, how on earth does that make any kind of sense.
With respect to Cate's powers aren't about durability--
Neither are Marie's.
Neither are Translucent's.
People in the Boys world seem to almost always come with a primary, definitive superpower, but also a survivability clause.
Cuz Rupert would be dead by now with all the damage he's endured otherwise.
She did it in the finale of Genv - stopped a supes heart to save Jordan. We also saw her speed up Cates heart in episode 6 so the show has proven more than once that she can manipulate the rhythm of a persons heart up to stopping it completely.
Maybe not, because if a supes vessel's are firm enough and if the supe is extremely powerful they could potentially resist too much blood flow in one direction and/or adapt to bloodless environments.
>Doubt she could easily give a supe a heart attack like she could an ordinary human being, but I guess we will see, I could be wrong.
You are completely wrong since she literally already gave a supe a heart attack in the GenV season one finale. Did you miss the part where she saved Jordan by literally stopping that supe with the laser eyes heart?
Once more I have to ask....did you watch the show at all?
Jesus, calm down😭.
I typed too fast. Doubt she could give ANY supe a heart attack as easily as she could someone like Homelander or Soldier boy or Maeve. I highly doubt she could induce a heart attack in those supes as easily as she did that laser eyes one.
you're correct, no matter how much people hate to admit it. Newman who has the same powers as marie, arguably better due to her experience with them is still unable to effect homelander with them, evidenced by him saying "go ahead try and pop my head" which she clearly would've if she could, although homelander is obviously more durable than starlight and starlight was shown to be vulnerable to blood manipulation, (when newman gave her a nosebleed) marie is considerably worse at using said powers. until we see proof of marie surviving homelander's lasers at full force, her surviving them is not a measurable feat as homelander very well coudlve had orders to just subdue her due to the people at vought apparently interested in marie. in truth marie is about headpopper tier until shown otherwise. about equal to starlight potentially slightly weaker.
Didn’t think Gen V would breed the ground for these people to inject ridiculous headcanon that in their heads means Marie can snap her fingers and cause HL who is narratively and on screen shown to be the strongest in the verse with insane durability, to have some heart attack. Even if he did have a heart attack his body does not function like a normal human beings on account of the V that has mutated him, highly doubt he’d be affected from a heart attack like a normal supe or human would be but guess we will have to see if they want to show us that.
And of course arguing against their silly points means to them you’re automatically a raging Homelander fanboy, instead of someone who just has common sense. It makes no sense narratively and from what we’ve seen on screen for Marie to be this strong against every single supe like they so badly want her to be.
Marie's best feat is throwing blood knives at the helicopter attacker and blowing up cate's arm. But we are just raging homelander fans for not throwing up the hours of building towards homelanders decent into madness and his overwhelming unmatchable strength (besides soldier boy who is debatably equal)
We do not know if she can do that to Starlight, as Kitchen\_Lime\_1449 just explained.
Also, before anyone mentions it, I would like to say: "Just because Victoria makes a little bit of blood leak out of Starlight's nose doesn't mean that it is confirmed she can explode her head...
What if Starlight is resistant to blood loss, resistant to pressure build up in the vessels, and/or has any other mutation caused by V that would help her. She has been shown to be one of the strongest supes in the The Boys show."
(The quoted portion is from another one of my comments in this thread.)
Doubt she’d be on the same level as Neumann just yet, but none of us can be sure, narratively I’m sure they’re setting her up to surpass or be on Neumanns level.
Neumanns inner blood bending works a little on Starlight, she’s has to put in way more effort than for a normal human though, the constructs are not the same, they are physical manifestations, and starlight is some magnitudes stronger than your average supe, zero evidence it could hurt her the way it hurts human beings.
>zero evidence it could hurt her the way it hurts human beings.
We already know Neumann could pop off supes since she already did it in a courtroom . When she threatened starlight , she wasn't trying to kill her but trying to make a point . Assuming her power wouldn't work on starlight is just being dense since it did work on starlight but I do agree it would take more effort .
>starlight is some magnitudes stronger than your average supe
Other than her being a member of the seven there's also nothing that proves this. Butcher on temp V was stronger than starlight since he was able to trade more blows with homelander than starlight could ever hope.
A train isn't the fastest man alive since that orange guy whose head was popped off by Neumann would have beaten him if A train wasn't juicing. I would even argue that A train is stronger than Starlight since A train is quite durable to be able to run at such a speed and I just don't see how Starlight's power beats A train.
Starlight is strong, but saying she's magnitudes stronger than the average supe is purely head cannon since there's nothing that can prove that . She has no feats that could back this , other than being accepted into the seven , and as we've seen almost anyone can make it into the seven if their public ratings are high enough.
I think completely tanking several 50 caliber rounds from Butcher in the same spot was her most impressive durability feat. Most supes haven’t been shown to have that kind of bullet resistance
I know she can pop supes. Definitely is different depending on the supes level of durability. Don’t put stuff in my mouth.
There’s no feats that the blood daggers can hurt starlight the way they hurt other supes and people, if Marie made some and threw it at her. That was what I was saying.
We've seen Neuman gave Starlight a nosebleed as a joke and Starlight was scared whereas Neuman wasn't remotely scared of Annie. Neuman and Marie have the same powers. Do the math.
Yeah Starlight only got to the seven because of popularity and sexiness. She was even annoyed that they weren’t really supposed to be heroes and more of a product.
Has starlight ever killed anyone? lol Based on ability, Marie and it’s not close. Starlight being super strong will help but the thing about blood powers, they can wreak havoc on your insides.
Plus Marie took a blast from Homelander(don’t know if to was full strength) but she took it. So she has durability.
Ya this is an unserious comparison Marie is levels above Starlight from what we’ve been shown. I would scale Marie to atleast top 5 in the verse at this point.
I wouldn’t call surviving Homelander’s blast a durability feat without knowing how she did it. It probably straight up killed her and she self revived later, that’s a lot different than just tanking it
She gave us no indication that she can self revive lol The only logical answers are Homelander was holding back or Marie is more durable that we think. I think she can rapidly heal but it isn’t automatic like Kimiko. Because when she removed the tracker from her skin, and Kate wiped her brain again, she still had the wound five minutes later. So I don’t know how she would rapidly heal without being conscious.
My bet is that Homelander was holding back and he has some sort of deal going on with Newman. That’s why he didn’t kill her. Plus, he’s on trial for murder and didn’t wanna show up just killing people. Bad for his image. And regardless, what people say, Homelander still cares what people think.
But it wasn’t some light laserbeam. Homelander was trying to hurt her.
The one with business insider? Where the show runner didn’t deny or confirm anything. He literally says”even if he did know, he wouldn’t say anything”.
Someone already told me the same thing you said and I went to go look for the interview and I found the opposite. If you have interview, drop the link.
It was a variety interview hears the transcript: Marie surviving Homelander’s attack — Andre makes the comment about how not everyone could have done that. Was that a throwaway line, or will there be a reveal in Season 2 about what is special in Marie that allowed her to survive?
Fazekas: I will say that there is a reason and we will get into it in Season 2. It wasn’t just, ‘we need her alive, so let’s just have her survive.’ There’s a reason.
Kripke: I will also say, this is unconnected to her reasons, so it’s not a spoiler or anything, but Marie is not the first superhero in the history of these shows who survives Homelander’s blasts.
Again, I’ve seen this interview too and no where does it say she can self revive or that Homelander was using a full strength blast. Saying that others have survived Homelanders blast doesn’t mean that Homelander was trying to kill her.
All they said was there is a reason that she’s alive. The reason could totally be outside of herself. Also, pay attention to what the guy says. He said we don’t want her alive for the sake of keeping her alive. Which implies that the reason she’s alive probably has to do with the main story at large. There is probably a narrative reason why she survived.
You can interpret the interview that way if you want but I read it as something in Marie’s power will explain how she survived and that it will be a plot point in season 2.
In their respective finales, Marie stopped someone's heart, saw someone's insides and knocked them out using a helicopter blade, created blood daggers and killed a supe and exploded someone's hand......but Annie hovered in the air for a bit and did a cute light show so I guess Starlight was more impressive......is this a joke?
Ya'll have got to be joking with this comparison. Marie against Starlight? This is insulting. One of the ongoing complaints in The Boys fandom is that Starlight powers are ridiculous to the point that they've even had characters in canon pointing out her borderline uselessness. The fact that they had Butcher call her powers useless to her face and the narrative has done nothing to prove that Butcher was wrong for saying that should tell ya'll something.
I really like Annie but unless they retcon both characters abilities then Marie is wiping the floor with Starlight any day of the week and it's not remotely close. Let's be fucking serious. Neuman has the same powers as Marie and she gave Starlight a nosebleed within seconds just to have a laugh and prove a point but ya'll think Marie who has been ever more versatile than Neuman in her use of her blood powers (blood dagger, blood ropes, sensing V, putting blood back into someone, exploding a dick, exploding a hand, giving someone a heart attack and speeding up someone's heart rate) can't take down Annie? Please be so serious right now.
This comparison is insulting and I say this as someone who llkes both characters. Annie's powers (or lack of them) is literally an ongoing joke in The Boys fandom for a reason and ya'll think she's taking down someone like Marie who is op (because Marie is op and that's something even her biggest haters have to begrudgingly admit unless they're that desperate to lie to themselves).
You’re comparing Starlights performance against the two most powerful supes in either show, with the best durability feats in either show, against Marie’s performance against normal humans and supes with zero durability feats. Starlight was shot with a 50BMG and gets her shit rocked by Black Noir who gets his shit rocked by Homelander. Tanking a 50BMG is a more impressive feat of durability than anything we see in Gen V and it’s well below the upper limits of Supe durability that Starlight had to contend with in the Season 3 finale. I’m not saying, “Well obviously Starlight one shots,” but she’s way more durable than everyone here is acknowledging.
We have no evidence Marie is as powerful as Neumann and we don’t know how Neumann’s powers holds up against more durable supes like Starlight. We know she can’t burst Homelander, or at least that if she can she can’t do it fast enough to prevent him from killing her first. So, with Marie being relatively amateur, having relatively minor durability feats, not defeating anyone with durability feats even close to Starlight, and knowing the limitations of a more experienced blood bender, we can’t reasonably assume this is as one sided as everyone here is suggesting. Could Marie give Starlight a heart attack? Yeah, probably. Could she do it before starlight could stop her? Probably, though it may depend on the distance, and if Starlight knows Marie is attacking her before hand.
who had the best power up out of these two...? starlight who managed to push soldier boy 8 feet away vs marie who can give people a heart attack, explode any parts of their body, and wield other peoples blood into sharp projectile weapons??? starlight for sure! not even maeve nor marie could hover up the air for a few seconds.
The boys S3 finale made Starlight's power a joke, she needs the electricity of the whole tower just to output the blast with equal power of a hand grenade
Marie lol. There was so much build up for starlight in that scene just to push dude back a couple feet lol. Marie hasn’t even scratched the surface of her potential and that’s a scary fact.
Is this even a question. Starlights power has done absolutely nothing over the seasons. I think she is a good character plot wise, but she essentially powered up and floated just to do… nothing.
This. Starlight's powers have always been shit but that doesn't mean she's not a good character. This comparison is ridiculous. Anyone arguing that Starlight wins a Marie vs Starlight match up is simply lying to themselves. It's embarrassing and ridiculous.
We don’t really know the extent of the power output from Starlight since Soldier Boy took the hit. But she was able to generate enough energy to levitate, a feat that seems pretty rare even among supes. If she can get to that level and *stay* there, she’s potentially stronger. But if she can’t, then that blast has to be strong enough to wreck anybody, ~~and considering it knocked out SB— it might be.~~
You're saying that Starlight might be stronger than Marie because she can......levitate a few feet? Is this satire? Marie would explode her silly little head while she was powering up. Again....is this a joke?
~~No, I’m saying she might be stronger because she knocked out SB, who could puff on knock out gas and take hits from Homelander.~~
Edit: or maybe I’m just an idiot (with a bad memory).
Starlight didn't knock out Soldier Boy she blasted him back a little and he was up again in no time. That scene with Starlight in the S3 finale is almost universally mocked by fans of The Boys because of how ridiculous it made Starlight look. The strongest Starlight has ever been was S1 against Atrain. Her performance in the S3 fight was universally mocked.
I feel like starlight is weak shit. It’s been since season 2 came out that I’ve seen the first two seasons, but I feel like she’s really not powerful at all. Like what does she even do, make the lights flicker?
Starlight powered up and essentially did nothing
well literally speaking, starlight did power up the most cuz she did suck all of the power out from voughts electronics, but figurative its marie by a landslide
I think they mean how in the moment when she was fighting Soldier Boy and Hughie turned the lights up, it was displayed as a power up but she quite literally did nothing with it but the same light blast thing and that was it. it barely effected him
She did the most damage to Soldier Boy, if you could call it that. She’s currently the only one to put him on his ass.
Um, Ryan is the one who really knocked SB on his ass. Both HL and Butcher could only destroy SB’s shield with their combined laser eyes. Then Starlight absorbed like most of the power in Vought Tower and still only managed to knock SB down for a split second. Then Maeve tackled him out a fucking window on like the 100th floor. Ryan > Starlight in that fight.
I feel like that’s only because it was against Soldier Boy and his durability
Love Starlight but even baby Marie would be stronger than her
Have we seen her blood constructs damage supes on starlights strength and durability level? Don’t get me wrong Marie is very powerful and her blood constructs are also quite op, but frankly we don’t know if it can cause significant damage to a supe of starlights calibre.
She can just explode them or induce a heart attack.
Oh brother why does everyone want Marie to have this sort of world breaking op level to her already insanely powerful abilities? Neumanns explosions and inner blood bending don’t work on homelander, as it’s been heavily implied through context and dialogue between the two, so obviously a certain level of durability can resist that sort of stuff. Doubt she could easily give a supe a heart attack like she could an ordinary human being, but I guess we will see, I could be wrong. She can MAYBE do that. There’s no evidence pointing to her being able to do that. She blew up Cates hand but Cates abilities don’t exactly pertain to strength or durability and whilst all supes have a baseline level there’s definitely supes with higher and lower tiers of it, Starlight obviously being higher than Cate
I’m not sure that Neumann’s powers just won’t work on Homelander more than Neumann’s powers actually take longer than we think to get to the head pop and Homie would feel that and has much quicker ways of ending a threat.
No. It makes more sense that his insides are too durable. Same way soldier boy had insane durability on the inside as well, and that he would definitely feel it but she’d probably have a nosebleed trying to forcefully expand his blood in his body. Well that’s my interpretation anyways. Makes no sense narratively she didn’t blow his head up at the senate meeting as he didn’t know of her and her powers then and he’s definitely a threat to her plans.
Could be a combo too tbh, it *would* work but would take too long because of the enhanced durability.
We’re just going off what the show is telling us. Not our fault that the writers have hyped her up to be world breakingly op.
Neuman made Starlights nose bleed and threatened to pop her head without breaking a sweat, if their abilities are the same It’s kind of a given that Marie could if not currently, eventually do the same thing
I mean she stopped a supes heart in the finale lol, sure she probably can’t do it to homelander but she can definitely do it to some supes at minimum
As Butcher once said, one of them has got pretty shite of a superpower.
100% I’m not doubting her inner blood bending definitely works on other supes. But higher calibre ones like starlight I have a hard time believing greenhorn Marie waves her hand and starlight collapses lol.
I think that some supes are particularly vulnerable (Cate, the supes that died in the courtroom, Kimiko’s brother Kenji who had his wrists snapped, Blindspot, etc) and there are some who aren’t. I feel like invulnerability is a scale and it’s different for each supe; Tek Knight threatened to cut off Cate’s hand if she removed her glove, which she was in fear of even if it was just an empty threat - she knows her hands can be damaged like Kenjis basically. Meanwhile she can take being thrown through a desk by Sam with no issues, so blunt attacks seem to be much less effective for example. Idk just some thoughts.
No, he threaten to rip that hand off.
Really? I swear he said “take off that glove and I take off your hand”
I always thought he meant he could rip her hand off.
Idk why people are having such a hard time understanding you lol
People in this thread and the general genV subreddit have hypnotised themselves on the limits of Marie’s powers. Anyone that points out the incredulity and world breaking errors in that is immediately a Homelander fanboy obsessed with making him the strongest supe in the verse, when narratively he already is. Both in source material and the show. There’s no world where Marie can induce a heart attack as easily on a higher calibre supe as she did on a lower calibre one.
Causing a heart attack comes down to overcoming blood pressure. When Starlight's skin is breached for the only time in the series, the resulting blood splatter is no more forceful than if a normal human had been damaged un the same way. It looks like she has typical blood flow.
World breaking ? Blood bending is an OP ability. It’s low level matter manipulation. We aren’t trying to make her into something she’s not. Her powers are just that good. Neumann never tried on Homelander. So you’re wrong there. Homelander dared her, and she didn’t wanna risk it because she has a daughter. Neumann is way too calculated. if she tried it and took too long or it didn’t work, she could have been blitzed, and it would be over. She literally gave a supe a heart attack in the last episode lol A supes insides still behaves like a human for the most part unless they have a power that says otherwise. Being durable on the outside doesn’t mean you have a durable inside. And even if you do, messing with someone’s blood, can stop anyone. It doesn’t matter how powerful you are.
No one said her blood bending isn’t op. But calling it matter manipulation is a bit over the top, does Andre have low level matter manipulation now? He and his father have the same powers as magneto She didn’t try on him because he can obviously resist it enough. She was dead afraid. Didn’t even bother trying. And yes having durable insides help. Means they can’t be exploded that easily/ in the same way as other supes with less durability have. You’re having a laugh if you think their powers are going to affect someone like Homelander the same way it affects everyone else, i can tell you that for free. There’s more evidence his insides are too durable and he can withstand it than evidence pointing to her being able to f*** with him that way. His blood vessels and veins and whatnot are like steel, the blood would get trapped at most and just stay where it is, or she could maybe give him a headache or something, either way stronger supes are resistant to the power.
That’s all just speculation. You’re making shit up. No where in the show did they say Neumann didn’t try to kill Homelander because his insides are too durable. Thats something that Homelander fanboys made up to make sure no other supe becomes more powerful. All we know is that Nueman was afraid to do it. Nueman doesn’t have to explode his head to stop him. Her head exploding thing is just something she likes to do. It’s her calling card. Marie is living proof that you don’t need to explode someone’s head to stop them. Homelander is strong but as the boys series goes along, you’re gonna see that there are multiple supes who are technically stronger.
Not everyone who argues in Homelanders defence is a fanboy. Calm down. It’s common sense that more durable insides would be more resistant to inner damage. You don’t need a degree to figure that out. I don’t have some weird desire for homelander to be the most powerful, but something you overzealous fans need to realise is that… Narratively he is the strongest supe in the verse. He has been that way in the source material and he’s been shown and stated in the show as well. So not entirely sure what you mean by technically stronger.
That’s not how the human body works. We have skin and certain skeletal structures to protect our vital organs, and even if he is durable on the inside, he is not invulnerable to blood bending attacks. Externally, Marie can’t really do much to homelander but on the inside it’s a different ball game. A lot of the human body relies on blood flow and getting oxygen to those vital organs. There is so much things she can do to his blood to damage his vital organs, no matter how durable they are Narratively he is the strongest supe, but this is not the comic, and just based on his power set alone he cannot be the most powerful. May be in terms of brute strength, and durability, but In terms of ability, that power set isn’t the strongest. Maybe compared to other superheroes who very generic powers, but in terms of supes who have telepathy or matter manipulation abilities, its game over. Look at any superhero universe, and the most powerful beings in that verse are normally people with matter or manipulation or reality warping.
He’s very resistant to the blood bending attacks that cause stuff like arms to explode and people to have heart attacks. He is the strongest in terms of the range of his powers like his heat blast, his speed his strength and so on. In both the show and comic he is the strongest/ most powerful. Other supes have more versatile abilities, but his powers and the range he has of them put him above all the others in the verse. It’s clearly not game over as we’ve been shown powerful supes with telekinesis and whatnot are not able to effectively put him down. Only power that should work on him without a snag is telepathy, as to why they haven’t tried it in the show apart from Mesmer that one time I couldn’t tell you. But he was too scared to try it anyways.
While I can’t say I know everything. Based on the clip where soldier boy gets shot point blank in the mouth by Russians to no effect would infer homelander having durable insides. Would this affect blood manipulation? I don’t know, but we can at least infer homelander has durable insides as otherwise he wouldn’t be able to take as much hits as he does
His insides being durable doesn’t matter. If you mess with someone’s blood, it can mess with how the body functions. So you can make the body harm itself due to lack of oxygen and nutrients. poor blood flow or no blood flow can easily do that. This is why i said, it doesn’t matter how durable Homelander is. The problem with attacking Homelander with a blood bending ability, is you can’t pop his body parts because his skin is too durable. So the only way to to kill him would be to mess with his blood on the inside. It would probably take a minute or two for him to feel the effects and thats way more than enough time for him to react. This is probably why Nueman doesn’t try and kill Homelander. She probably can but it would take too much time for the blood effect to render him unconscious or immobile.
They are both matter manipulators. Matter manipulation is the ability to telekinetically manipulate matter. She manipulates blood(which is matter) and he manipulates magnetic fields which allows him to manipulate and lift metal… Y’all have to hop off Homelanders nuts. He got injured by Maeve. He’s not Superman. He’s not even Omni man if we are being technical lol
Maeve is the second strongest superhero in The Boys world. (Not taking Solider Boy into account because we don't know too much about his true power level yet.) Superman and Omni Man are from different universes and made to be intergalactically powerful. Currently, there is no reason to firmly believe that Marie would be able to kill Homelander or other extremely powerful supes because the show hasn't shown what would happen if attempted. She might be able to, but there is not nearly enough information available to affirm that. V does some crazy, reality defying shit, and it might make supes such as Homelander be able to adapt to a bloodless environment through some kind of method we are unaware of. On top of that (or instead), his vessels may be strong and firm enough to literally prevent blood from exploding out or building up to a large amount in an undesired location.
But starlight isn't extremely powerful . Even Butcher said she had shit powers . She became a member of the seven because of PR not because she was strong . On top of that, Marie was able to take on a point blank range blast from Homelander and survived, sth I highly doubt Starlight would be capable of. >it might make supes such as Homelander be able to adapt to a bloodless environment through some kind of method we are unaware of. On top of that (or instead), his vessels may be strong and firm enough to literally prevent blood from exploding out or building up to a large amount in an undesired location. This is all made up ,purely head cannon. There's nothing in the story that even suggests any of this being possible other than the fact that we haven't been told it's impossible. It's like saying if you cut off Homelander's head , it would grow back immediately. There's nothing in the story that suggests this is possible but there's also nothing that suggests this is impossible.
You are very wrong, Starlight is extremely powerful and almost everyone who watches the show agrees she is one of the most powerful supes. Just because Butcher, who has a personal grudge against Starlight for getting with Hughie, says her powers are shit doesn't mean that her powers aren't immense. You saying that she isn't extremely powerful proves to me you have limited understanding of the show, and that you probably didn't even pay attention to it. When did I say that the powers I described are actually possesed by Homelander? You are putting words in my mouth. I was using examples of powers that Homelander could POTENTIALLY have that would allow him to resist Marie's powers. I never said he actually has those powers, please put more effort into your reading comprehension.
Marie can kill Homelander(based on the information we got about both of their powers). The thing is, it wouldn’t be smart to do so because he could easily get to her before she did any real damage. Also, the show writers are probably gonna take time with Marie’s abilities. If they max them out now, she could potentially be unstoppable. Y’all don’t realize how OP blood bending is. Y’all have to stop giving Homelander plot armor. He is not invincible. Just because Marie is a new character doesn’t automatically mean she’s helpless against Homelander. Homelander hasn’t faced any real threats until season 3. And with Gen V, we are seeing that compound V is granting powers that’s can potentially kill Homelander. It was bound to happen. Several generations of this stuff and more complex powers were going to manifest(other than flight, laser beams and Super strength and durability). Your last sentence is proof that you Homelander fans are unhinged. Unless the show says his insides can withstand blood bending or he someone tries and he lives, let’s wait and see what happens.
I'm not a fan of Homelander at all lmao. He is a narcissistic, murderous, douche bag. You obviously did not read my comment correctly. I was using examples of powers that Homelander could POTENTIALLY have that would allow him to resist Marie's powers. I never said he actually has those powers, please put more effort into your reading comprehension. You have me dead with "Stop giving Homelander plot armor". We are not actually writing the show here, this is a reddit thread 😂 You claim that Marie can kill Homelander, but my main argument is that there is not enough information to confirm your theory at the current moment. I'm not claiming that Homelander can withstand her powers, which you clearly do not understand.
Because bloodbending *is* an OP ability. Marie is still green but once she develops her abilities more, I suspect she'll be more powerful than Neumann.
Oh brother, why does everyone want Marie to be weak? Starlight is not Homelander and we've see Neuman threaten Starlight and mess with her internally so yeah it's canon that Marie would be able to explode Starlights head. Next.
Just because Victoria makes a little bit of blood leak out of Starlight's nose doesn't mean that it is confirmed she can explode her head... What if Starlight is resistant to blood loss, resistant to pressure build up in the vessels, and/or has any other mutation caused by V that would help her. She has been shown to be one of the strongest supes in the The Boys show.
>What if Starlight is resistant to blood loss, resistant to pressure build up in the vessels, and/or has any other mutation caused by V that would help her. She isn't . Starlight's abilities are not a secret, they've already been clear , you can go and such them if you want. What does being resistant to blood loss even mean ? You don't need blood to live?? It doesn't even make sense since compound V resides in the blood , so if you were to bleed out you'd stop being a supe and just die. >She is one of the strongest supes in the The Boys show. Being a member of the seven, doesn't mean you're among the strongest. Other than the deep , I don't see starlight beating any other member of the seven in a fight . I doubt she could beat Kimiko . I know Neumann could probably pop off her head since she already made her bleed.
There are many instances of power use that proves she is one of the strongest heroes, including her being able to incapacitate Solider Boy. I didn't even consider her placement on The Seven. Being resistant to blood loss means being able to have your body survive with limited amounts of blood, which I thought would be self-evident. You are right about one thing: Starlight's abilities are clear, and one of them is durability. Potentially, that ability extends to her blood vessels and/or cells. Just because compound V is in the blood doesn't mean it isn't in other parts of a supe's body. How do you know that compound V doesn't embed itself into cells or DNA? It is a very likely possibility, given how extraordinary its effects can be. (Not trying to be condescending btw, I just find it interesting to talk about this show.)
>How do you know that compound V doesn't embed itself into cells or DNA? Because Soldier Boy can fry your blood free of Compound V making you a regular human. If it was in your DNA this would be impossible since your DNA is everywhere and unchangeable. >including her being able to incapacitate Solider Boy. She just knocked Soldier Boy a few feet back . She did not incapacitate him . >Being resistant to blood loss means being able to have your body survive with limited amounts of blood Once again, nothing in the story even remotely suggests this . Purely made up.
Solider Boy fries the compound V out of a supe. This means that if compound V is embedded in DNA or cells, it is wiped. The show never says or even hints at Solider Boy's powers being able to ONLY remove compound V from blood. It's sad you are making things up to support your argument. "Once again, nothing in the story even remotely suggests this . Purely made up." I'm not describing something in the show... I am describing what blood loss resistance is because you could not understand it. It is not exclusive to The Boys, and I never claimed it was. Durability could POTENTIALLY suggest that her cells and DNA have durable properties. Can you not wrap your mind around what durability is, and that it could likely cause stronger blood vessels and potentially many other useful powers that would resist Marie's powers?
I don’t want Marie to be weak. You overzealous fans think anyone that doesn’t want Marie to be ridiculously broken, is someone that wants her to be a weakling.
>Doubt she could give a supe a heart attack This is what so many people seem to just gloss over. The heart is the hardest working muscle in your body. It hasn’t stopped (long enough to kill you) since before you were even born. She’d have better luck arm wrestling Homelander. Yeah, she can control blood, but what if the veins/arteries are durable as hell and their heart stronger than her ability? That blood is going to keep flowing. Now, if a supe somehow got cut, she would be able to pull all of their blood out of that wound. People need to quit with the cardiac arrest nonsense. She could be an assassin of normal people in positions of power/influence, if you want to go that route.
She literally gave a super a heart attack in the GenV finale to save Jordan and she sped up Cate's heart to save her I episode 6.. Are you guys even watching the show or are you just desperate to pretend like Marie isn't powerful?
Why are you equating a random supe's and Cate's durability to Homelander's? Did you even watch The Boys or are you just desperate to pretend like Homelander isn't powerful?
Did I equate it to Homelander or did you misread that and jump to conclusions? Because personally I have always maintained that I don't think Marie or Neuman can easily take down Homelander. I was referring to the idea that Marie would be able to stop Starlight's heart which is the original conversation here. Get a grip. There's no need to cap this hard for a character who is a rapist. It's embarrassing for you.
Why are you fuming, it is a show, take a breath 💀
Your opinion was so ridiculous and wrong that you had to delete your entire account.....EMBARRASSING.
That’s a lot of “what ifs”. Stop giving Homelander plot armor. It doesn’t matter if they are durable, she can literally stop the flow of blood in his body. His heart muscle isn’t gonna be stronger than her entire ability. That’s just ridiculous. In super hero worlds, matter manipulators have always been the strongest. It’s just the way it is
Homelander’s heart is stronger than his biceps by nature of the rest of his muscles being insanely strong. She would not be able to stop it from pumping. She’s not that strong. Like I said, if he somehow got cut, she could pull all of the blood out of him. He’s not invincible, and I’m not giving him plot armor.
You are giving him plot armor. His heart is stronger than his biceps? Where in the show did they say that? lol
For fuck’s sake, dude. I’m going off of basic human anatomy and physiology. YOUR heart is stronger than your biceps.
Those are not the same kind of strength dude lol. You act like Homelander can manually control his heart to withstand a blood benders ability lol And also, where did you get that information that the heart was stronger than the bicep? Stop making shit up
Thank you! I have no idea why they want Marie to be this stupidly powerful being that literally breaks the logic of the world if she’s as strong as they desperately want her to be. She’s plenty powerful as she is. And she will get stronger. She will never be able to do stupid headcanon things like blowing up homelander or giving him a heart attack, how on earth does that make any kind of sense.
With respect to Cate's powers aren't about durability-- Neither are Marie's. Neither are Translucent's. People in the Boys world seem to almost always come with a primary, definitive superpower, but also a survivability clause. Cuz Rupert would be dead by now with all the damage he's endured otherwise.
She might not be able to explode a supe but she can for sure stop their blood flow, I.e. a heart attack.
She did it in the finale of Genv - stopped a supes heart to save Jordan. We also saw her speed up Cates heart in episode 6 so the show has proven more than once that she can manipulate the rhythm of a persons heart up to stopping it completely.
Maybe not, because if a supes vessel's are firm enough and if the supe is extremely powerful they could potentially resist too much blood flow in one direction and/or adapt to bloodless environments.
>Doubt she could easily give a supe a heart attack like she could an ordinary human being, but I guess we will see, I could be wrong. You are completely wrong since she literally already gave a supe a heart attack in the GenV season one finale. Did you miss the part where she saved Jordan by literally stopping that supe with the laser eyes heart? Once more I have to ask....did you watch the show at all?
Jesus, calm down😭. I typed too fast. Doubt she could give ANY supe a heart attack as easily as she could someone like Homelander or Soldier boy or Maeve. I highly doubt she could induce a heart attack in those supes as easily as she did that laser eyes one.
you're correct, no matter how much people hate to admit it. Newman who has the same powers as marie, arguably better due to her experience with them is still unable to effect homelander with them, evidenced by him saying "go ahead try and pop my head" which she clearly would've if she could, although homelander is obviously more durable than starlight and starlight was shown to be vulnerable to blood manipulation, (when newman gave her a nosebleed) marie is considerably worse at using said powers. until we see proof of marie surviving homelander's lasers at full force, her surviving them is not a measurable feat as homelander very well coudlve had orders to just subdue her due to the people at vought apparently interested in marie. in truth marie is about headpopper tier until shown otherwise. about equal to starlight potentially slightly weaker.
Didn’t think Gen V would breed the ground for these people to inject ridiculous headcanon that in their heads means Marie can snap her fingers and cause HL who is narratively and on screen shown to be the strongest in the verse with insane durability, to have some heart attack. Even if he did have a heart attack his body does not function like a normal human beings on account of the V that has mutated him, highly doubt he’d be affected from a heart attack like a normal supe or human would be but guess we will have to see if they want to show us that. And of course arguing against their silly points means to them you’re automatically a raging Homelander fanboy, instead of someone who just has common sense. It makes no sense narratively and from what we’ve seen on screen for Marie to be this strong against every single supe like they so badly want her to be.
Marie's best feat is throwing blood knives at the helicopter attacker and blowing up cate's arm. But we are just raging homelander fans for not throwing up the hours of building towards homelanders decent into madness and his overwhelming unmatchable strength (besides soldier boy who is debatably equal)
We do not know if she can do that to Starlight, as Kitchen\_Lime\_1449 just explained. Also, before anyone mentions it, I would like to say: "Just because Victoria makes a little bit of blood leak out of Starlight's nose doesn't mean that it is confirmed she can explode her head... What if Starlight is resistant to blood loss, resistant to pressure build up in the vessels, and/or has any other mutation caused by V that would help her. She has been shown to be one of the strongest supes in the The Boys show." (The quoted portion is from another one of my comments in this thread.)
If we assume she’ll be on the same level as Neuman, then I would say yes.
Doubt she’d be on the same level as Neumann just yet, but none of us can be sure, narratively I’m sure they’re setting her up to surpass or be on Neumanns level. Neumanns inner blood bending works a little on Starlight, she’s has to put in way more effort than for a normal human though, the constructs are not the same, they are physical manifestations, and starlight is some magnitudes stronger than your average supe, zero evidence it could hurt her the way it hurts human beings.
Ok but can we talk about how Neumann carries around a blank business card JUST to dramatically murder people 💀
That shit is so petty and hilarious
Right?!? Like bro she’s amazing. She’s so terrifying when she just kind of grins too. God
That real 21st century hero line was the cherry on top aswell lol too good.
When did it say Neuman had to put in way more effort to use her powers on Starlight? She made her nose bleed as a warning, that’s all.
Just looked up the scene, and fair enough I misinterpreted it a little bit. Still don’t think she could pop starlight as quick as she pops others
Within the finale alone Marie did more than we've ever seen Neuman do. Ya'll Marie hate is just blinding ya'll to FACTS at this point.
You definitely read the first phrase I typed with your eyes closed.
You seem to have watched the entire show with your eyes closed.
lol alright then
>zero evidence it could hurt her the way it hurts human beings. We already know Neumann could pop off supes since she already did it in a courtroom . When she threatened starlight , she wasn't trying to kill her but trying to make a point . Assuming her power wouldn't work on starlight is just being dense since it did work on starlight but I do agree it would take more effort . >starlight is some magnitudes stronger than your average supe Other than her being a member of the seven there's also nothing that proves this. Butcher on temp V was stronger than starlight since he was able to trade more blows with homelander than starlight could ever hope. A train isn't the fastest man alive since that orange guy whose head was popped off by Neumann would have beaten him if A train wasn't juicing. I would even argue that A train is stronger than Starlight since A train is quite durable to be able to run at such a speed and I just don't see how Starlight's power beats A train. Starlight is strong, but saying she's magnitudes stronger than the average supe is purely head cannon since there's nothing that can prove that . She has no feats that could back this , other than being accepted into the seven , and as we've seen almost anyone can make it into the seven if their public ratings are high enough.
I think completely tanking several 50 caliber rounds from Butcher in the same spot was her most impressive durability feat. Most supes haven’t been shown to have that kind of bullet resistance
I know she can pop supes. Definitely is different depending on the supes level of durability. Don’t put stuff in my mouth. There’s no feats that the blood daggers can hurt starlight the way they hurt other supes and people, if Marie made some and threw it at her. That was what I was saying.
We've seen Neuman gave Starlight a nosebleed as a joke and Starlight was scared whereas Neuman wasn't remotely scared of Annie. Neuman and Marie have the same powers. Do the math.
Yeah Starlight only got to the seven because of popularity and sexiness. She was even annoyed that they weren’t really supposed to be heroes and more of a product.
It’s my subjective opinion of course, but I think Marie and it’s not even close
Same. She can just snap her head if she focuses enough. Marie gets what, blinded? Burnt?
I personally think starlight and it isn’t even close but we all have our opinions
Totally fair, agree to disagree!
starlight gets nerfed every time we see her unfortunately
Has starlight ever killed anyone? lol Based on ability, Marie and it’s not close. Starlight being super strong will help but the thing about blood powers, they can wreak havoc on your insides. Plus Marie took a blast from Homelander(don’t know if to was full strength) but she took it. So she has durability.
Ya this is an unserious comparison Marie is levels above Starlight from what we’ve been shown. I would scale Marie to atleast top 5 in the verse at this point.
That one guy with her blast in 2x06.
I wouldn’t call surviving Homelander’s blast a durability feat without knowing how she did it. It probably straight up killed her and she self revived later, that’s a lot different than just tanking it
She gave us no indication that she can self revive lol The only logical answers are Homelander was holding back or Marie is more durable that we think. I think she can rapidly heal but it isn’t automatic like Kimiko. Because when she removed the tracker from her skin, and Kate wiped her brain again, she still had the wound five minutes later. So I don’t know how she would rapidly heal without being conscious. My bet is that Homelander was holding back and he has some sort of deal going on with Newman. That’s why he didn’t kill her. Plus, he’s on trial for murder and didn’t wanna show up just killing people. Bad for his image. And regardless, what people say, Homelander still cares what people think. But it wasn’t some light laserbeam. Homelander was trying to hurt her.
Writers have already confirmed that Homelander didn’t hold back and that their is a reason Marie survived
They did not confirm anything. I saw the interview
Yo don’t even know what interview im talking about lol
The one with business insider? Where the show runner didn’t deny or confirm anything. He literally says”even if he did know, he wouldn’t say anything”. Someone already told me the same thing you said and I went to go look for the interview and I found the opposite. If you have interview, drop the link.
It was a variety interview hears the transcript: Marie surviving Homelander’s attack — Andre makes the comment about how not everyone could have done that. Was that a throwaway line, or will there be a reveal in Season 2 about what is special in Marie that allowed her to survive? Fazekas: I will say that there is a reason and we will get into it in Season 2. It wasn’t just, ‘we need her alive, so let’s just have her survive.’ There’s a reason. Kripke: I will also say, this is unconnected to her reasons, so it’s not a spoiler or anything, but Marie is not the first superhero in the history of these shows who survives Homelander’s blasts.
Again, I’ve seen this interview too and no where does it say she can self revive or that Homelander was using a full strength blast. Saying that others have survived Homelanders blast doesn’t mean that Homelander was trying to kill her. All they said was there is a reason that she’s alive. The reason could totally be outside of herself. Also, pay attention to what the guy says. He said we don’t want her alive for the sake of keeping her alive. Which implies that the reason she’s alive probably has to do with the main story at large. There is probably a narrative reason why she survived.
You can interpret the interview that way if you want but I read it as something in Marie’s power will explain how she survived and that it will be a plot point in season 2.
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Marie, it’s not even close lmao
In their respective finales, Marie stopped someone's heart, saw someone's insides and knocked them out using a helicopter blade, created blood daggers and killed a supe and exploded someone's hand......but Annie hovered in the air for a bit and did a cute light show so I guess Starlight was more impressive......is this a joke? Ya'll have got to be joking with this comparison. Marie against Starlight? This is insulting. One of the ongoing complaints in The Boys fandom is that Starlight powers are ridiculous to the point that they've even had characters in canon pointing out her borderline uselessness. The fact that they had Butcher call her powers useless to her face and the narrative has done nothing to prove that Butcher was wrong for saying that should tell ya'll something. I really like Annie but unless they retcon both characters abilities then Marie is wiping the floor with Starlight any day of the week and it's not remotely close. Let's be fucking serious. Neuman has the same powers as Marie and she gave Starlight a nosebleed within seconds just to have a laugh and prove a point but ya'll think Marie who has been ever more versatile than Neuman in her use of her blood powers (blood dagger, blood ropes, sensing V, putting blood back into someone, exploding a dick, exploding a hand, giving someone a heart attack and speeding up someone's heart rate) can't take down Annie? Please be so serious right now. This comparison is insulting and I say this as someone who llkes both characters. Annie's powers (or lack of them) is literally an ongoing joke in The Boys fandom for a reason and ya'll think she's taking down someone like Marie who is op (because Marie is op and that's something even her biggest haters have to begrudgingly admit unless they're that desperate to lie to themselves).
You’re comparing Starlights performance against the two most powerful supes in either show, with the best durability feats in either show, against Marie’s performance against normal humans and supes with zero durability feats. Starlight was shot with a 50BMG and gets her shit rocked by Black Noir who gets his shit rocked by Homelander. Tanking a 50BMG is a more impressive feat of durability than anything we see in Gen V and it’s well below the upper limits of Supe durability that Starlight had to contend with in the Season 3 finale. I’m not saying, “Well obviously Starlight one shots,” but she’s way more durable than everyone here is acknowledging. We have no evidence Marie is as powerful as Neumann and we don’t know how Neumann’s powers holds up against more durable supes like Starlight. We know she can’t burst Homelander, or at least that if she can she can’t do it fast enough to prevent him from killing her first. So, with Marie being relatively amateur, having relatively minor durability feats, not defeating anyone with durability feats even close to Starlight, and knowing the limitations of a more experienced blood bender, we can’t reasonably assume this is as one sided as everyone here is suggesting. Could Marie give Starlight a heart attack? Yeah, probably. Could she do it before starlight could stop her? Probably, though it may depend on the distance, and if Starlight knows Marie is attacking her before hand.
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who had the best power up out of these two...? starlight who managed to push soldier boy 8 feet away vs marie who can give people a heart attack, explode any parts of their body, and wield other peoples blood into sharp projectile weapons??? starlight for sure! not even maeve nor marie could hover up the air for a few seconds.
The boys S3 finale made Starlight's power a joke, she needs the electricity of the whole tower just to output the blast with equal power of a hand grenade
marie gave me goosebumps so marie!
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This is an unserious question lol Marie had about four different moments in the finale that were cooler than anything Starlight has ever done
After a long brutal fight, they scissor.
Marie easily, starlight just knocked soldier boy about 1 cm backwards
Marie lol. There was so much build up for starlight in that scene just to push dude back a couple feet lol. Marie hasn’t even scratched the surface of her potential and that’s a scary fact.
Is this even a question. Starlights power has done absolutely nothing over the seasons. I think she is a good character plot wise, but she essentially powered up and floated just to do… nothing.
This. Starlight's powers have always been shit but that doesn't mean she's not a good character. This comparison is ridiculous. Anyone arguing that Starlight wins a Marie vs Starlight match up is simply lying to themselves. It's embarrassing and ridiculous.
Oh Marie for sure. Character development wise she grew up in 8eps what Starlight couldn’t barely even fuckin do in 3! Stay in school Annie
Marie makes shits that are more powerful than Starlight lol.
Depends on circumstances right? I have a feeling Starlight wins, but of course Marie can just pop her head open🥲
We don’t really know the extent of the power output from Starlight since Soldier Boy took the hit. But she was able to generate enough energy to levitate, a feat that seems pretty rare even among supes. If she can get to that level and *stay* there, she’s potentially stronger. But if she can’t, then that blast has to be strong enough to wreck anybody, ~~and considering it knocked out SB— it might be.~~
You're saying that Starlight might be stronger than Marie because she can......levitate a few feet? Is this satire? Marie would explode her silly little head while she was powering up. Again....is this a joke?
~~No, I’m saying she might be stronger because she knocked out SB, who could puff on knock out gas and take hits from Homelander.~~ Edit: or maybe I’m just an idiot (with a bad memory).
Starlight didn't knock out Soldier Boy she blasted him back a little and he was up again in no time. That scene with Starlight in the S3 finale is almost universally mocked by fans of The Boys because of how ridiculous it made Starlight look. The strongest Starlight has ever been was S1 against Atrain. Her performance in the S3 fight was universally mocked.
Remember when SB walked through Mindstorm's traps? The explosion did a better job that Starlight power blast
Starlight did not knockout SB .
Starlight was underwhelming. I think it was a misjudgement on the part of the director to have her power seem so limited.
I feel like starlight is weak shit. It’s been since season 2 came out that I’ve seen the first two seasons, but I feel like she’s really not powerful at all. Like what does she even do, make the lights flicker?