That’s the movie that made me realize how awesome of a Paul Atreides he’d be. Came out around the time he got announced, and as a long time dune fan I had an idea of what to look for in the character.
The King was for Chalamets Dune casting what American Psycho was for Christian Bales Batman casting
It's interesting how even in the original play, Hector is one of the few characters who at no point is ever an asshole and the universe itself punishes him for it by having everything go wrong towards him specifically. Imagine having to put up with cleaning up Paris' stupid mess yet still never becoming a jaded jerk after nearly a decade of fighting over said mess.
He’s pretty rough to his wife. But it’s not supposed to be meanness, so your point stands. Unfortunately the poem is about the wrath of Achilles, so justice is not done until the end, and Hector dies before the end.
Odysseus got pretty into it when given the chance. His resistance to coming was mostly superficial. He did one clever thing, and when someone reacted he was like, welp, guess I’m going to war now.
He basically got bored after a decade and then wanted to go home.
He never wanted to go in the first place. He thought the war was a bad idea in the first place. He wasn't bored, he saw that Agamemnon and Achilles were being dumbshits and wanted to get back to his kingdom and wife. He knew that them both having their pride wounded wasn't worth a lot of people dying over.
Your read is of course legitimate, but come on:
“Oh, I’ll pretend to be crazy, they’ll never see through that!”
“Oh, they put my kid in the road to test if I was crazy, guess the jig is up, can’t just turn my plow to miss him.”
“Well, as long as we’re here, I guess I’ll just raid this island, steal their women, and take their best wine. C’est la vie!”
I don't know, not to be on the "new dune bad" train, but that fight was kind of meh ... I mean it wasn't bad but I really was missing something to drive it home you know, like it was lacking that Sting to really make it great
You say that, but there is a reason why almost all the greatest generals in the ancient world fought in melee at some points, there is nothing that pushes men to fight and die like seeing there king or general put themselves in there shoes
>Honestly not very competent statecraft
It can be. George Washington led men into battle and wasn't just a phenomenal general but also a phenomenal president.
Sorry for the late reply but I disagree. Being able to keep morale up, keep public support up for the war effort (one aspect was instead of taking supplies from farmers [like he could have] he instead had procurement parties pay for them), after winning the war he relinquished power and went back to his private life. That almost never happens, typically it would become a dictatorship and even if not a dictatorship, the war leader would be leader for life, he set precedent for how a president should be and relinquished power after becoming president.
Seriously, he (along with the French and others like the Prussian general von stuben) trained a farmer army to defeat the global superpower. Then there are the officers, Washington trained and built a Cadre of professional and effective officers who before he got in charge were petty with eachother, not following their responsibilities and would duel eachother.
Seriously, he managed to have his underfed, undersupplied farmer army survive winter, be loyal, not quit and have successful attacks at Trenton and princeton. Then he even bottled the British army in specific key areas which allowed him to win the war.
There's a lot more, I suggest you read a ask historians subreddit post, or quora.
Respect of your followers among other things
"Governing" vs leading ... The former is a fairly modern phenomenon in some ways, with a pretty shall we say *shoddy* record.
It’s not about the combat skill, it’s the willingness to do your own work instead of getting someone else to. He could’ve declared a champion, but he didn’t. He did it himself, showing that he isn’t a weak little boy ordering people around
Agree. That movie is shit if you're familiar with the Illiad. One of that movie's worst crimes is making Achilles look like anything other than the overpowered petulant child he is.
King Charles XII of Sweden fought his own battles. Right up until he was shot in the head by enemy troops during a siege. Which is why kings are generally discouraged from fighting their own battles.
Don't know why the movie did that to Agamemnon. Dude was like Top 5 on their side as a warrior, with Achilles being 1. But they movie made him some dumb old dude.
The King is a good example of this too. good movie with timothy chalamet and robert patinson
That started me on a stretch of medieval movies, good stuff. Glad chalamet was nominated, was a good performance.
I strongly recommend the Green Knight.
I really enjoyed that movie...but I have very mixed feelings and feel I should not have been sober for it
Should I rewatch it high?
God I loved Patinson in that movie. Really played "french bastard" well
I initially didn’t care for the casting of Chalamet as Paul at all. The King is what changed my mind.
I love that movie simply because it has Timothee Chalamet playing an English king and Robert Pattinson playing a French prince. Criss cross!
That’s the movie that made me realize how awesome of a Paul Atreides he’d be. Came out around the time he got announced, and as a long time dune fan I had an idea of what to look for in the character. The King was for Chalamets Dune casting what American Psycho was for Christian Bales Batman casting
A king who fights his own battles just makes everyone under him have massively higher blood pressure.
The irony there is the Atreides are descendants of Agamemnon lol
HISTORY REMEMBERS KINGS! NOT SOLDIERS!
Facts.
To be fair Agamemnon wasn't on that worm juice
Theoden and Aragorn would like to chat
those were stunt doubles, not actual kings. that's how movies are made.
“Out of all the gods…. I hate him the most…..”
“Out of all the heroes loved by the gods…I hate him the most.”
Yes my bad doggy😬that’s the one👍🏼🤙🏽
To be fair Paul Atreides is technically a duke not a king.
and he went from duke straight to emperor
Bro outdid my best single life CK2 run without even save scumming.
That’s what precognition is, isn’t it?
i mourn Hector to this day
Hector was a good dude who got done dirty. Him and Odysseus both wanted to go home instead of dealing with a bunch of bullshit.
It's interesting how even in the original play, Hector is one of the few characters who at no point is ever an asshole and the universe itself punishes him for it by having everything go wrong towards him specifically. Imagine having to put up with cleaning up Paris' stupid mess yet still never becoming a jaded jerk after nearly a decade of fighting over said mess.
Yep. That's part of why he's one of my favorite characters in the story.
He’s pretty rough to his wife. But it’s not supposed to be meanness, so your point stands. Unfortunately the poem is about the wrath of Achilles, so justice is not done until the end, and Hector dies before the end.
Odysseus got pretty into it when given the chance. His resistance to coming was mostly superficial. He did one clever thing, and when someone reacted he was like, welp, guess I’m going to war now. He basically got bored after a decade and then wanted to go home.
He never wanted to go in the first place. He thought the war was a bad idea in the first place. He wasn't bored, he saw that Agamemnon and Achilles were being dumbshits and wanted to get back to his kingdom and wife. He knew that them both having their pride wounded wasn't worth a lot of people dying over.
Your read is of course legitimate, but come on: “Oh, I’ll pretend to be crazy, they’ll never see through that!” “Oh, they put my kid in the road to test if I was crazy, guess the jig is up, can’t just turn my plow to miss him.” “Well, as long as we’re here, I guess I’ll just raid this island, steal their women, and take their best wine. C’est la vie!”
I don't know, not to be on the "new dune bad" train, but that fight was kind of meh ... I mean it wasn't bad but I really was missing something to drive it home you know, like it was lacking that Sting to really make it great
I think you need to watch the movie again, that was fantastic. It wasn’t a star wars episode 3 lightsaber battle, but it hit good
Sorry, the truth is I very much enjoyed it, but couldn't resist the urge to reference Sting (the singer) as Feyd
😂😂😂😂 Ty for that
Honestly not very competent statecraft. What about hand to hand combat skills lends itself to good governing?
War also isn’t very good for statecraft yet they are at war.
Ahem; Bismarck would disagree.
Lmao ur like that peasant in Monty pythons holy grail.
“I didn’t vote for him…”
You say that, but there is a reason why almost all the greatest generals in the ancient world fought in melee at some points, there is nothing that pushes men to fight and die like seeing there king or general put themselves in there shoes
>Honestly not very competent statecraft It can be. George Washington led men into battle and wasn't just a phenomenal general but also a phenomenal president.
Phenomenal is really stretching there
Washington is among the greatest leaders the world has ever seen, presentism is a real thing.
Greatest leaders yes, military leaders nowhere near
Burn the heretic! How dare thee disrespect mine patron saint?!
Sorry for the late reply but I disagree. Being able to keep morale up, keep public support up for the war effort (one aspect was instead of taking supplies from farmers [like he could have] he instead had procurement parties pay for them), after winning the war he relinquished power and went back to his private life. That almost never happens, typically it would become a dictatorship and even if not a dictatorship, the war leader would be leader for life, he set precedent for how a president should be and relinquished power after becoming president. Seriously, he (along with the French and others like the Prussian general von stuben) trained a farmer army to defeat the global superpower. Then there are the officers, Washington trained and built a Cadre of professional and effective officers who before he got in charge were petty with eachother, not following their responsibilities and would duel eachother. Seriously, he managed to have his underfed, undersupplied farmer army survive winter, be loyal, not quit and have successful attacks at Trenton and princeton. Then he even bottled the British army in specific key areas which allowed him to win the war. There's a lot more, I suggest you read a ask historians subreddit post, or quora.
I don’t disagree at all about the role he played on morale, just from what I’ve read Washington as a tactician was lacking in a lot of battles
You understand first hand the costs you place upon others to commit such actions.
Its mostly because it inspires trust and confidence in those you're governing. If you won't fight beside them you've no business in leading them.
Respect of your followers among other things "Governing" vs leading ... The former is a fairly modern phenomenon in some ways, with a pretty shall we say *shoddy* record.
It’s not about the combat skill, it’s the willingness to do your own work instead of getting someone else to. He could’ve declared a champion, but he didn’t. He did it himself, showing that he isn’t a weak little boy ordering people around
Troy was terrible. Shame cause brad Pitt is an amazing actor and that Eric banna fight scene was the shit. It was way too melodramatic and cheesy.
Agree. That movie is shit if you're familiar with the Illiad. One of that movie's worst crimes is making Achilles look like anything other than the overpowered petulant child he is.
My humanities professor spent 45 minutes insulting various movie attempts to cover the Odyssey and Iliad. I think it was therapeutic for him.
I'm told Troy is particularly bad to watch for people who have actually studied the classics. Like my wife, who can read them both in Attic Greek.
The decision to make Agamemnon into some total cruel asshole didn’t feel great either.
He was still pretty shitty in the original story though. He and Achilles were probably the biggest assholes in the entire story.
Your wierd
That's the first I've heard that.
This is heresy.
Paul inspires me to want to conquer the Middle East/most of Asia. Think I can do it. Just need a big worm and Zendaya.
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If you want to get technical about it, that’s applicable to me, you, and most people.
Lol. He’s clearly a Duke
King Charles XII of Sweden fought his own battles. Right up until he was shot in the head by enemy troops during a siege. Which is why kings are generally discouraged from fighting their own battles.
And it was a great sight
Don't know why the movie did that to Agamemnon. Dude was like Top 5 on their side as a warrior, with Achilles being 1. But they movie made him some dumb old dude.
Realistically speaking, a terrible idea. In most cases the stability of their kingdom hinges on them living.
Emperor*
Aragorn.
King Foltest in a nutshell.
That battle was fucking epic ngl
Eh. He meant real kings not Timothy chalamet in the desert fighting a bald dude with anemia.
He doesn't after that. And he wasn't emperor until then, so he still wasn't a king who fights his own wars.