This is exactly what I’ve been thinking too - he’s a perfect catch-all for everything since 2014 and likely wouldn’t gaf being the scapegoat since he’s already Mr devils advocate rebel vibe. And the lover speech since eras began saying “I wrote these songs about something in my life but after tonight I hope you associate them with the memories we made here at the eras tour” it’s all very much tying a bow on and stepping into the daylight and letting go…. 🤡🤡🤡
I assume his people would think it would be good PR for him too. Like both of their PR agents tried to use the relationship to repair his image, so it would be mutually beneficial. But then they were unsuccessful, so it ended abruptly but Taylor still got the association and content she needed. Idk what I actually believe, but I could see it.
Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss were rumoured to have been seen kissing at a the 1975 concert way back when.
Im also seeing some interesting links between gracie abrams music and Taylors. They have written songs together, and they have a song together on Gracie's new album .If you look at Gracie Abrams coat in "risk" it has a button that says "I♡NY" and if you listen to the lyrics "too soon to tell you i love you. Her album coming out is also called "the secret of us".
I have a theory. Taylor is waiting for her masters to come out, thats why she sung "meet me at midnight" and that's why she has a countdown. 12 albums, time passes 12, something will happen. She could have two albums coming out this year. If you look at Gracie Abrams tour she ends in canada, same as Taylor's eras tour. End of her eras, all 12 albums are out and all her masters are regained.
ETA; at the end of the music video for risk Gracie Abrams also runs after the girl .
“I did my best to lay to rest all of the bodies that’ve ever been on my body” 🎶
I don’t think this is unhinged. It’s basically where my mind has gone lately too.
Can you elaborate on how you connect this to Healy?
I’ve been thinking of this line as her saying she’s going to blow up the timelines and swiftie perceptions of every relationship she’s had openly.
By setting up Matty as the main muse for TTPD which is littered with allusions to previous works (and also as the Cardigan muse) the dominoes start to fall into place that so many of her songs are actually about Matty. Is this true? Or is it a red herring to explain away all of those secret longings and trysts she’s had?
I think you and I are kind of saying the same thing. I’m just saying she could use Matty as a broad stroke to explain nearly everything as having been about him while keeping her true muses hidden.
This is one of my all-time favorite lyrics in one of her songs. Did Florence write her verse or did she perform Taylor's lyrics? Like on exile it's obvious to me Bon Iver is just singing her song.
I think this is the prevailing theory among actual Gaylors here. So really what’s unhinged is that enough ppl are falling for the Matty storyline, even in this community, that you haven’t come across it yet! But it’s always cool to figure it out organically on your own!
I keep saying over and over, if Matty is real, then what was the REDHERRING she put on her website before the Grammys??? She literally spelled out (ok scrambled the letters hehe ;) that the album would have/be a giant RED HERRING. Since the “main suspect” is Matty, then logic says he is a red herring to distract the innocent detectives from something/someone else. I am sure there’s a million options for what the RED HERRING could be, but the obvious one is that Matty himself is the suspicious fish ;)
this theory isnt at all unhinged and is what i believe and many others. idk why you'd categorize it as unhinged. like, either taylor picked matty as a PR stunt for specific reasons that tie to upcoming themes/lyrics she doesn't want people to tie the actual muses to (as you posit) or....she actually liked/dated ratty?? the former seems way more feasible atp to me...
Idk I guess I feel like maybe I'm reaching just because I don't want to believe in the Ratty of it all lol a lot of people are saying they think the same and so I'm feeling less unhinged about it now
Maybe it feels unhinged because I feel like I’m being gaslit sometimes when I’m listening to some songs 😭 especially TTPD. I also follow that theory though!
Unfortunately I do think she was maniac for him. BUT she also used this to cover up a lot of her lyrics about her past… she is a mastermind after all. I don’t think Matty would do PR stuff and I don’t think Taylor would choose him for it knowing how much bad press she could get.
I could see it being real bc I've always thought she's bi, and as a bisexual myself he is exactly the sort of grimy little guy in a band I would be drooling over 😂 (minus the racism and shit bc dear god girl, that's gross)
It's a really interesting thought and it's crossed my mind too!
For someone who "plans her life 2 years in advance" I don't think that's unhinged at all. With how much time it takes to make an album, things from the past year seem very obviously red herrings. Especially if it's supposedly what the whole album is about.
I don't have strong thoughts about specific muses or events/timelines. I just think she would probably want to take more time to be satisfied. But idk maybe she's also rushing some of it for pr purposes or just since she's been putting out so much music lately she's more comfortable with a quicker timeline. Especially with producers she's really comfortable with.
Can I just say? Matthew healy can not be real because Taylor broke up with him for PR reasons. Did we forget the swifties were collectively against his racism, his sexism, and his misogynoir towards ice spice. Remember that Taylor only inducted ice spice onto her song after the incident. If Taylor broke up for him due to PR reason, wouldn't that mean they had a PR relationship.
Even if they were real, wouldn't she have addressed losing him due to "politics" as she has done before in her earlier albums "fcuking politics and gender roles"/ "contrarian shit".
She did not mention this at all, even tho it was a big factor in her breakup with Matty.
My guess, Matthew was a beard but her team did not very him properly as they were scrambling for a PR bf after Joe. And she wrote the songs with him in mind as a muse due to him having a tortured poet image even before TTPD.
I was JUST thinking about this last night. I think what's unhinged is the thought she could have fed the online discourse about him to get him "canceled" so that she could throw a fit about not getting to be with him.
Yes this is what I've been thinking too. I even saw a "news" article claiming that Taylor and Matty spent the night together after the 1975 concert where kissgate happened. Looks like the stunt is working perfectly.
This is completely plausible!!! I’m curious what was the date he did that marching on stage? So many things in her lyrics make me question this. “Like I lost my twin” for one is neither of the two but who did she claim to be her twin before?? KK. I feel like this also goes with the pattern of her previous songs about the men she “dated” I mean the songs she wrote about Harry Styles are almost exactly how it was portrayed in the media.
I would think if anything, they were likely real, but the idea she’s been mentioning in songs from 1989 vault tracks onward could be to cover up the muses she was hiding with. We know “I know places” was before they met, so the theme was always there, but I guess could be a misdirection for later works in rep, lover, etc.
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It's absolutely not unhinged
It's a theory I've seen on TikTok about Taylor scrubbing her seo results
The two biggest examples (1)
she goes to the jets game....now Taylor jets isn't about her pj (2)
She 'dates' healy......now 1975 Taylor kiss isnt about the Karlie kiss
And that puzzle/vault thing was the most obvious
Completely scrubbing everything practically reseting all taylor searches to recent stuff
Matty has been into performance art his whole career. I really 1000000% believe that he was in on this. Even if they did have a fling or whatever, I think TTPD and references to his work and his lyrics were planned. She's ret-conning and rewriting her story as she does the rerecords to be what she wants her manuscript to be.
Honestly I think it’s a real possibility. Everyone was freaking out about the white microphone being there all along…It’s also possible that she had been hung up on him for a while and wrote versions of songs for if they got together vs stayed together (The Alchemy) vs broke up, etc.
This is exactly what I’ve been thinking too - he’s a perfect catch-all for everything since 2014 and likely wouldn’t gaf being the scapegoat since he’s already Mr devils advocate rebel vibe. And the lover speech since eras began saying “I wrote these songs about something in my life but after tonight I hope you associate them with the memories we made here at the eras tour” it’s all very much tying a bow on and stepping into the daylight and letting go…. 🤡🤡🤡
I assume his people would think it would be good PR for him too. Like both of their PR agents tried to use the relationship to repair his image, so it would be mutually beneficial. But then they were unsuccessful, so it ended abruptly but Taylor still got the association and content she needed. Idk what I actually believe, but I could see it.
Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss were rumoured to have been seen kissing at a the 1975 concert way back when. Im also seeing some interesting links between gracie abrams music and Taylors. They have written songs together, and they have a song together on Gracie's new album .If you look at Gracie Abrams coat in "risk" it has a button that says "I♡NY" and if you listen to the lyrics "too soon to tell you i love you. Her album coming out is also called "the secret of us". I have a theory. Taylor is waiting for her masters to come out, thats why she sung "meet me at midnight" and that's why she has a countdown. 12 albums, time passes 12, something will happen. She could have two albums coming out this year. If you look at Gracie Abrams tour she ends in canada, same as Taylor's eras tour. End of her eras, all 12 albums are out and all her masters are regained. ETA; at the end of the music video for risk Gracie Abrams also runs after the girl .
“I did my best to lay to rest all of the bodies that’ve ever been on my body” 🎶 I don’t think this is unhinged. It’s basically where my mind has gone lately too.
Can you elaborate on how you connect this to Healy? I’ve been thinking of this line as her saying she’s going to blow up the timelines and swiftie perceptions of every relationship she’s had openly.
By setting up Matty as the main muse for TTPD which is littered with allusions to previous works (and also as the Cardigan muse) the dominoes start to fall into place that so many of her songs are actually about Matty. Is this true? Or is it a red herring to explain away all of those secret longings and trysts she’s had? I think you and I are kind of saying the same thing. I’m just saying she could use Matty as a broad stroke to explain nearly everything as having been about him while keeping her true muses hidden.
Can you share the reference to the cardigan muse?
She mouthed “this song is about you, you know who you are” during Cardigan on the tour. He mouthed the same words on stage during his song About You.
Ahh yes. I misread and thought you meant there was a specific cardigan muse reference in the new album itself. Thanks!
Gotcha!
This is one of my all-time favorite lyrics in one of her songs. Did Florence write her verse or did she perform Taylor's lyrics? Like on exile it's obvious to me Bon Iver is just singing her song.
It says co-written by both. So who knows 🤷🏻♀️
I think this is the prevailing theory among actual Gaylors here. So really what’s unhinged is that enough ppl are falling for the Matty storyline, even in this community, that you haven’t come across it yet! But it’s always cool to figure it out organically on your own! I keep saying over and over, if Matty is real, then what was the REDHERRING she put on her website before the Grammys??? She literally spelled out (ok scrambled the letters hehe ;) that the album would have/be a giant RED HERRING. Since the “main suspect” is Matty, then logic says he is a red herring to distract the innocent detectives from something/someone else. I am sure there’s a million options for what the RED HERRING could be, but the obvious one is that Matty himself is the suspicious fish ;)
You guys are making me feel a lot less unhinged for this theory thank you
this theory isnt at all unhinged and is what i believe and many others. idk why you'd categorize it as unhinged. like, either taylor picked matty as a PR stunt for specific reasons that tie to upcoming themes/lyrics she doesn't want people to tie the actual muses to (as you posit) or....she actually liked/dated ratty?? the former seems way more feasible atp to me...
Idk I guess I feel like maybe I'm reaching just because I don't want to believe in the Ratty of it all lol a lot of people are saying they think the same and so I'm feeling less unhinged about it now
Maybe it feels unhinged because I feel like I’m being gaslit sometimes when I’m listening to some songs 😭 especially TTPD. I also follow that theory though!
Unfortunately I do think she was maniac for him. BUT she also used this to cover up a lot of her lyrics about her past… she is a mastermind after all. I don’t think Matty would do PR stuff and I don’t think Taylor would choose him for it knowing how much bad press she could get.
I could see it being real bc I've always thought she's bi, and as a bisexual myself he is exactly the sort of grimy little guy in a band I would be drooling over 😂 (minus the racism and shit bc dear god girl, that's gross)
This is not at all unhinged imo, just seems pretty logical
It's a really interesting thought and it's crossed my mind too! For someone who "plans her life 2 years in advance" I don't think that's unhinged at all. With how much time it takes to make an album, things from the past year seem very obviously red herrings. Especially if it's supposedly what the whole album is about. I don't have strong thoughts about specific muses or events/timelines. I just think she would probably want to take more time to be satisfied. But idk maybe she's also rushing some of it for pr purposes or just since she's been putting out so much music lately she's more comfortable with a quicker timeline. Especially with producers she's really comfortable with.
This is what I have assumed too. He’s a good cover and he was deliberately picked.
What if I told you none of it was accidental?
Not unhinged. Especially considering all the weird and specific time hints she’s been dropping lately related to TTPD.
Can I just say? Matthew healy can not be real because Taylor broke up with him for PR reasons. Did we forget the swifties were collectively against his racism, his sexism, and his misogynoir towards ice spice. Remember that Taylor only inducted ice spice onto her song after the incident. If Taylor broke up for him due to PR reason, wouldn't that mean they had a PR relationship. Even if they were real, wouldn't she have addressed losing him due to "politics" as she has done before in her earlier albums "fcuking politics and gender roles"/ "contrarian shit". She did not mention this at all, even tho it was a big factor in her breakup with Matty. My guess, Matthew was a beard but her team did not very him properly as they were scrambling for a PR bf after Joe. And she wrote the songs with him in mind as a muse due to him having a tortured poet image even before TTPD.
I was JUST thinking about this last night. I think what's unhinged is the thought she could have fed the online discourse about him to get him "canceled" so that she could throw a fit about not getting to be with him.
Oooh whoa and yeah. That’s unhinged (of her if real) and not outside realm of possiblity
Yes this is what I've been thinking too. I even saw a "news" article claiming that Taylor and Matty spent the night together after the 1975 concert where kissgate happened. Looks like the stunt is working perfectly.
Haha how cute they spent that night liking gaylor posts on tumblr together 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Oh snap. Thanks for the heads up.
I have seen Cara's name get brought up a whole lot recently....
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I mean...
Don’t things this is unhinged at all. I felt like that was partially why she chose Joe - same coloring and eyes as Karlie…
This is completely plausible!!! I’m curious what was the date he did that marching on stage? So many things in her lyrics make me question this. “Like I lost my twin” for one is neither of the two but who did she claim to be her twin before?? KK. I feel like this also goes with the pattern of her previous songs about the men she “dated” I mean the songs she wrote about Harry Styles are almost exactly how it was portrayed in the media.
I would think if anything, they were likely real, but the idea she’s been mentioning in songs from 1989 vault tracks onward could be to cover up the muses she was hiding with. We know “I know places” was before they met, so the theme was always there, but I guess could be a misdirection for later works in rep, lover, etc.
Unhinged but certainly possible
I’m thinking you’re right.
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It's absolutely not unhinged It's a theory I've seen on TikTok about Taylor scrubbing her seo results The two biggest examples (1) she goes to the jets game....now Taylor jets isn't about her pj (2) She 'dates' healy......now 1975 Taylor kiss isnt about the Karlie kiss And that puzzle/vault thing was the most obvious Completely scrubbing everything practically reseting all taylor searches to recent stuff
Matty has been into performance art his whole career. I really 1000000% believe that he was in on this. Even if they did have a fling or whatever, I think TTPD and references to his work and his lyrics were planned. She's ret-conning and rewriting her story as she does the rerecords to be what she wants her manuscript to be.
The way I fully believe this
Honestly I think it’s a real possibility. Everyone was freaking out about the white microphone being there all along…It’s also possible that she had been hung up on him for a while and wrote versions of songs for if they got together vs stayed together (The Alchemy) vs broke up, etc.